00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:52 how can I use vault syntax to say 'either turn all A & C into walls, or all B & C' 00:01:17 SHUFFLE: AB 00:01:23 SUBST: A = x, B = ., C = x 00:01:43 that makes sense, thanks 00:01:54 idk why you're mentioning C at all 00:02:00 if you want it to be walls either way 00:02:17 good point. I guess i might want three potential wall configurations 00:02:32 -!- protopulse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:02:50 remember you can do SHUFFLE: AB / CD 00:02:56 to do shuffling of groups 00:03:28 so that has a 50% chance of swapping A with B and C with D, or with doing nothing 00:03:32 if i read the manual right 00:03:42 what I just wrote? no 00:04:05 it's a 50% chnace of doing nothing, 50% chance of swapping A<->C and B<->D 00:04:24 ah 00:04:33 bows might be a wee bit OP, not sure if there were any recent changes. In trunk I just cleared Lair and Orc in under an hour using almost exclusively tab spam after getting a gift bow from Trog: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/aegolden/aegolden.txt 00:04:35 depending on what you need, it can be helpful, but may not be relevant to what you're doing 00:05:23 <|amethyst> Brannock: re the tournament graphs, I would be interested to see what the 0.16 win rate graph looks like :) 00:05:23 you can clear lair and orc under an hour using tab spam after getting a weapon gift in general 00:05:38 but ranged being stronger than melee is a thing that's always been, yeah 00:05:56 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:06:46 ranged reform is something Lasty is working on 00:06:57 -!- destrovel has quit [Client Quit] 00:10:18 I guess it makes sense given the current mechanics, dealing damage all over the place > merely on adjacent tiles. This is the first time I’ve focused on bows so I didn’t really think about it much before. 00:12:10 -!- tsujin_ is now known as tsujin 00:13:53 aegolden: part of what Lasty wants to do is make ranged less easily a primary attack 00:14:09 ranged combat has been OP since the dawn of time 00:14:37 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:14:42 what about in the early fractions of seconds during the big bang? 00:14:52 weren't the melee and ranged forces in a state of constant flux 00:14:54 photons are fucking broken dude, are you blind 00:15:18 you get to attack at like a million meters per second and you dont even have to worry about mass 00:17:20 oops, `SUBST: . = .:30 P` is very different to `SUBST: . = 30:. P`` 00:19:25 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 00:21:23 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:25:27 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:11 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 00:28:32 !lg yogidabear 00:28:33 2201. yogidabear the Firebug (L2 DEFE), slain by a jackal on D:1 on 2016-11-26 07:35:57, with 25 points after 744 turns and 0:01:24. 00:31:25 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:31 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-251-g16a58bf (34) 00:31:52 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:45 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39:49 and… first rune in 1:13, bows is definitely easy mode 00:40:03 I’ve been playing this game the hard way for years! 00:40:28 ranged reform for 0.20 confirmed?? 00:41:35 contributing to earlier chat 00:41:37 "Playing a centaur used to be nearly impossible due to food." 00:42:12 I never played old centaur but I'm pretty sure thats a mem 00:42:14 *meme 00:49:05 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49:37 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:55:35 Deathknights, Mountain dwarf, sludge elf, healer, summons attacking far away. These are features that are very important to many player. So why remove them? 00:55:45 man, hte hits just keep coming 00:58:57 how do I change a wall tile for stone walls? 00:59:40 there's a special des tag for rock tiles 00:59:40 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 01:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:13 aha, TILE: c = tile_name 01:00:19 except tile_name is actually 'wall_' + tile_name 01:05:48 chequers: if you change the tile, it's nice to also set COLOUR 01:05:53 so console users 01:06:14 s/so/for/ 01:06:57 hellmonk: to be fair, old slightly hungry centaur was pretty annoying 01:07:00 you definitely had to eat a lot 01:07:10 oh, I'm sure 01:07:14 but like, realism tho 01:07:27 I played enough 0.8 to remember some of the old hunger mechanics 01:07:36 i really felt like a horse that way 01:09:00 hellmonk: grab some +2 arrows while you're there 01:09:03 remember to stack them before enchanting 01:09:14 lol 01:10:04 -!- Coron has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:10:43 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:11:32 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 01:14:57 gammafunk: yep, done that 01:15:04 thx 01:15:08 yw 01:15:33 and if I detect even once IOTA of anti-console agenda in that PR 01:15:33 into /dev/null it goes 01:15:34 hey PleasingFungus, is there realistically any chance of that zot/pan portal game being recovered? 01:15:36 s/once/one/ 01:15:59 gammafunk: interested in vault feedback? i came up with a guarded unrand vault http://dpaste.com/17FS740 01:16:30 "Brown chunks. Some species, mostly humanoids or otherwise unpalatable creatures, gave brown chunks. Those had a 1/3 (IIRC) chance to cause confusion instead of restoring nutrition." 01:16:33 what!!! 01:16:57 heh 01:16:59 chequers: no neqoxecs or shapeshifters? 01:18:18 CanOfWorms: it had neqoxecs but i removed them to simplify 01:18:36 chequers: you want to randomize numbers of monsters, I think 6 very ugly things is extreme for an average 01:18:43 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18:55 900 responses for the en survey!! 01:19:08 I would place fewer of those and yeah, consider filling in with some of the lighter fare like normal uglies, neqos 01:19:13 6 very ugly things on D:14 seems good to me 01:19:26 good, then add it to hellcrawl 01:19:27 I for one appreciate the need to read tele 01:19:49 :) I'll play with the monster numbers. ugly things seem thematic but annoyingly they are fast and can open doors 01:19:53 very uglies are pretty dangerous things to throw in that kind of number 01:20:00 well use a runed door 01:20:03 if you don't want the door opened 01:20:05 the vault does have a natural chokepoint 01:20:12 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-251-g16a58bf (34) 01:20:22 very uglies are also fast 01:20:24 I got a D:10 storm dragon in an actual normal regular crawl vault so idk what you're complaining about 01:20:24 @??very ugly thing 01:20:24 green very ugly thing (09u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 18 | HP: 80-118 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 2704(strong poison:66-117) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison++ | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1438 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 01:20:29 gammafunk: i mean i'd like the player to walk in and then say "hmm, i don't want the unrand that bad yet, so i'll walk back and close the door and come back later" 01:20:30 and they also use doors 01:20:56 yeah i was talking about both normally ugly and very ugly 01:21:13 well they don't need to close the door to come back later 01:21:41 # A series begun by minmay. More entries welcome! 01:21:42 # minmay: "Depths begin intentionally shallow; players should not 01:21:42 # be able to beat these right away, but should be able 01:21:42 # to flee. I'd like to see what other people can come up 01:21:42 # with for more of these vaults! 01:22:01 that's the sort of approach I am hoping to take. maybe I need a window or something 01:22:09 you can have a window and a runed door, yeah 01:22:12 I wish monsters didn't wake up when you were on the other side of a window 01:22:19 but as I said, the player can still flee ugly things 01:22:41 yeah, i guess 90% move isn't so bad 01:22:43 @??cacodemon 01:22:44 cacodemon (082) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 83-115 | AC/EV: 11/10 | Dam: 22, 22 | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, regen | Res: 06magic(160), 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | XP: 1638 | Sp: b.energy (3d20) [06!sil], slow [06!sil], confuse [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil], dig [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 01:23:06 anyway, thanks for the advice re: numbers. i'll try to introduce some more variation to the monsters 01:23:10 <|amethyst> cacodemon + window is probably not good, unless it's a stone window :) 01:23:35 fill the vault with pulsating lumps 01:23:38 yeah, what you might want is just stone window + runed door; cacos can also use doors 01:23:48 but no monster can open a runed door 01:24:04 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:24:20 or just a rune door with no window, so at least the player will be ready for somethig scurry 01:24:25 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:24:34 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:25:51 also keep in mind that those comments 01:25:58 cant say i'm a huge fan of runed doors, but it seems needed 01:25:58 were probably a younger, more optimistic and less jaded minmay 01:26:04 hence they're not to be trusted 01:26:23 well, if you do monster placement right 01:26:32 yeah, an exclamation mark and positive tone? definitely fake minmay 01:26:40 you can have an ordinary door..the problem is if there's noise 01:26:43 and the monsters wake up 01:26:46 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:26:50 then all guaranteees are lost with an ordinary door 01:26:54 yeah exactly 01:27:11 if you zap lightning nearby or similar the noise can penetrate a door right? 01:27:24 <|amethyst> the noise can penetrate a solid wall 01:27:24 noise can just penetrate rock/stone/metal walls 01:27:30 unless you make wall thick enough 01:27:37 !tell walkerboh yes! |amethyst already fixed your save 01:27:37 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let walkerboh know. 01:27:39 rip 01:27:39 <|amethyst> but it penetrates doors better IIRC 01:27:43 yeah 01:27:50 <|amethyst> ??attenuation 01:27:50 I don't have a page labeled attenuation in my learndb. 01:27:52 so much for stealth mechanics 01:27:53 <|amethyst> ?/attenuation 01:27:54 No matches. 01:28:01 I think two tiles of stone/metal attenuate noise fully? 01:28:17 well the vault is soundproof except the doorway then 01:28:44 yeah, but then you still have a problem with the door 01:28:45 which is intentionally rather open to mitigate the chokepointeyness 01:28:57 <|amethyst> gammafunk: all walls are the same AFAICT 01:29:00 oh 01:29:06 I thought rock does less attenuation 01:29:09 and stone did more 01:29:27 <|amethyst> !source _noise_attenuation_millis 01:29:27 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/shout.cc#L926 01:29:29 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Client Quit] 01:29:30 <|amethyst> permarock does more 01:30:09 cool 01:30:18 so yeah, doesn't matter by type (and you won't be using permarock) 01:30:45 <|amethyst> ??noise 01:30:45 scroll of noise[1/1]: Makes a lot of noise (25). There is generally little use for these, but they are louder than a shout, and they can break {mesmerise} status. 01:30:49 <|amethyst> ??sound 01:30:49 sound[1/5]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jkorg2xnYI 01:30:49 chequers: the thing to keep in mind is that a d:14 player is going to be able to escape your vault 01:31:00 <|amethyst> ??shout 01:31:00 shout[1/6]: Shouting is a simple attention-grabber. It wakes up sleeping monsters and tells distracted monsters where you are. Nobody seems to know the range, but it is a little bigger than LOS. Certain monsters may also shout when they see you. The effects are probably similar. 01:31:05 so you're probably safe to rely on that attenuation 01:31:49 if you don't want to rune door it 01:32:16 <|amethyst> also, if this is supposed to be something the player has to deliberately choose to engage with 01:32:25 <|amethyst> you might consider no_tele_into 01:32:58 I wouldn't use that in this case, personally, since that's really best reserved for teleport closets and such 01:33:12 I don't think we no_tele_into runed vaults in general 01:33:24 *runed door vaults 01:33:52 <|amethyst> I don't know, if the justification for several very ugly things in D is "the player can get away", shafting a player into the middle seems a little unfair 01:34:42 <|amethyst> I guess a D:12 player can be expected to have plenty of tricks 01:34:52 the player can still get away, and if we took that argument, it would apply to any placement of fast monsters 01:35:54 <|amethyst> not because they're fast, but because they're out of depth... though now that I look at it, VUT aren't that out-of-depth for D:14 01:36:16 <|amethyst> they're D:17-23 01:36:30 well them being out of depths doesn't help too much, we don't put no_tele_into into any vault placing 8 and 9 etc 01:37:18 I think if you have some kind of heavilly restricted movement area that requires flight/dig, that's one thing, since you literally need that consumable to escape, except for certain species/gods 01:37:53 there are a few ways you can go about working with that particular vault that are reasonable 01:37:57 just don't go all 01:38:01 higgilty-piggilty 01:38:36 <|amethyst> I was thinking more of the minmay D vaults with four to eight 8s than this particular one :) 01:39:04 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:39:13 <|amethyst> but no_tele is probably too strong 01:39:34 <|amethyst> and I guess shafts are supposed to be dangerous 01:40:03 <|amethyst> ("strong" in the sense of "does too much") 01:40:10 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 01:42:29 whats wrong with d:4 wolf spiders 01:42:40 they're weak for d:4 01:42:51 need to be shard shrikes 01:43:07 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:43:40 <|amethyst> I guess I see not shafting people into such vaults as being similar to not shafting players into branch ends 01:46:31 problem #1 with no_tele_into is that it isn't communicated to the player at all 01:48:24 I've seen people thinking they shouldn't teleport because there is a diamond obelisk on the level 01:52:17 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:55:13 -!- Hiffwe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:56:02 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:57:40 yeah, that's why I'd prefer it be used to avoid closets and things where you can't escape for most characters without dig and/or flight 01:58:18 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-251-g16a58bf 01:59:18 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:59:28 for the not shafting to branch end thing, that's probably a bad exception overall that's also not communicated to the player, but the logic is very simple 01:59:40 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:09 -!- Zeor1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:05:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:11 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:42 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:10:27 -!- destrovel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:11:32 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:14:56 -!- epsilonhalbe has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:15:50 -!- GhostOfToal has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:20:07 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:33 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:27:26 !tell |amethyst done: http://crawl.xtahua.com/saves/DEFE-crawl-git-17e8cebab7.tar.bz2 Let me know, and I'll replace it. 02:27:26 Medar: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 02:30:23 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:00 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:39:44 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:39:46 <|amethyst> Medar: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/DEFE.cs.FIXED it's at a newer version now ("Upgraded the game from 0.20-a0-217-g17e8ceb to 0.20-a0-251-g1eeec1a") 02:39:46 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 02:40:16 <|amethyst> Medar: let me know once you've installed it and I'll remove that copy 02:40:59 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:11 <|amethyst> Medar: I guess I should have thought about it and just copied it to the CSZO save backup directory since the password-protected download script is still running 02:43:58 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:52:56 -!- Bammboo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:53:28 -!- jdeeny has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:55:28 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-251-g16a58bf 02:59:07 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:59:19 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06:39 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 03:06:54 -!- jdeeny has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:56 |amethyst: got it 03:10:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:11:09 |amethyst: should I just replace the one in crawl-git-17e8cebab7/saves/ or remove that and place it in directory matching the new version? 03:11:14 I forget how this works 03:13:03 <|amethyst> I think there's nothing that affects save compat, so it should be fine to put it in the old directory 03:13:55 <|amethyst> I *think* it would also work to put it in the new directory and remove the old one 03:15:17 <|amethyst> !learn set millimarvin[1] 19.606 net lines of code removed (as of 2016-11-30) 03:15:18 millimarvin[1/1]: 19.606 net lines of code removed (as of 2016-11-30) 03:15:57 ok, just replaced the old one now 03:16:50 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:17:20 <|amethyst> cool, left a note 03:17:27 <|amethyst> I guess I can mark that as done 03:21:26 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:24:24 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-251-g16a58bf (34) 03:24:37 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:32:21 should randart acid dragon scales list rcorr in their inscription? 03:32:29 because i just found this: Ye finish puttin' on tha +5 acid dragon scales o' Free 'spression {rElec rN+ Dex-3}. 03:33:14 Other randart scales list the natural resists right? 03:33:53 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:34:19 i'm pretty certain 03:34:23 i know fire and ice do 03:34:42 i don't think steam or mottled did 03:34:46 because they had resists that nothing else had possibly 03:34:52 but i'm not 100% on that 03:34:55 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:10 right 03:36:05 !messages 03:36:06 No messages for SteelNeuron. 03:36:20 you are correct, tested it 03:36:29 k 03:36:48 i thought so, but randart dragon armor isn't so common that i remember exactly 03:36:57 fda and ida are by far the most common 03:37:23 ??acid dragon 03:37:23 acid dragon[1/1]: A dragon that spits corrosive {acid}. Sometimes drops {acid dragon scales} when it dies. 03:37:29 madness 03:37:58 haha 03:41:16 Just wondering... Has a "sign" wall tile ever been discussed? 03:41:22 Just a normal wall tile with something written 03:41:27 for flavour / vault purposes 03:41:48 (readable on the 'V' menu or by bumping into it or something) 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:15:30 -!- aegolden has quit [Quit: aegolden] 04:15:37 -!- Doesnty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:17:58 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:18:26 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 04:18:29 -!- Jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:19:50 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 04:21:49 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 04:22:29 -!- aegolden has joined ##crawl-dev 04:29:37 -!- Concrocotta has quit [Quit: Ciao] 04:37:50 -!- aegolden has quit [Quit: aegolden] 04:56:59 -!- NeremWorld has quit [] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:12:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:17:48 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:19:11 -!- djinni has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:12 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:12 -!- myfreeweb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:12 -!- Writ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:21 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:22 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:22 -!- Photonic has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:23 -!- varmin has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:23 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:24 -!- shmup has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:24 -!- illusionary has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:24 -!- Elsi has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:27 -!- shmup_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:19:28 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 05:19:40 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:19:42 -!- woodjrx has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:20:10 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 05:20:24 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:46 -!- DDFi has quit [Client Quit] 05:25:46 -!- zeroDivisible has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:25:46 -!- vermi has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:25:46 -!- buki has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:25:46 -!- sully has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:25:47 -!- panicbit3 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:40:01 -!- CrawlWall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:43:54 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:46:27 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 05:47:38 -!- demok has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:48:12 -!- demok has joined ##crawl-dev 05:49:38 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:51:22 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:53:09 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03:05 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:04:20 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:04:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:48 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 06:07:06 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 06:08:55 -!- chcl3 has quit [Client Quit] 06:15:50 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:16:58 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:23:03 -!- chcl3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:38:16 -!- buki_ is now known as buki 06:46:52 -!- Ratatosk_ has quit [Quit: Ratatosk_] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:12 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [] 07:10:42 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:14:00 -!- madatmemes has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:02 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:33 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:32:07 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:40:46 -!- robbje has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:49:21 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:13 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:11:03 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:22:04 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:13 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:24:43 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-252-gcc89fee: Fix acid dragon scales randarts not displaying rCorr (ProzacElf) 10(25 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cc89fee9491e 08:25:35 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:48 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:44 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:54 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:27 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:26 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-252-gcc89fee (34) 09:17:10 -!- Danei_Prime has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:21:21 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:55 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 09:25:52 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:27:08 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:23 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 09:35:14 -!- madatmemes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:22 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:48:05 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:57:33 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-251-g283b1fb: Fix hand names 10(in the future, 1 file, 28+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/283b1fb40021 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:46 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:44 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:17:48 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:18:43 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:10 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 10:33:39 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-252-g2f4debd: Trees can no longer pole vault 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2f4debd49d26 10:36:58 Never thought I'd write that in a commit field 10:38:28 could have just written "ruin crawl for trees" 10:41:24 -!- Katie has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:16 -!- Katie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:49:51 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:59:29 -!- GhostOfToal has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:12 -!- Ratatosk_ has quit [Quit: Ratatosk_] 11:03:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:06:34 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:11 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:22:08 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:25:05 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:25:33 !tell pleasingfungus monster attack descriptions seem incredibly unwieldy now they mention "if it beats armour", seems like it'd maybe be better to document it the other way around? "it can hit for x damage and can cause corrosion even if no damage is dealt" or something 11:25:33 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 11:26:02 -!- GhostOfToal has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:28:56 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:29:26 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:04 MarvinPA: agreed that they're unwieldy! 11:30:04 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:30:27 wheals had the same suggestion; my concern was that, if you're unspoiled, you won't expect crawl's normal AF mechanics 11:30:38 the "has to do post-AC damage to trigger the flavour" mechanics 11:30:58 stuff like AF_PURE_FIRE is more intuitive, and thus needs less explanation 11:31:15 i think the right solution might be to move away from 'very elaborate sentence' format and into something more like a bullet-pointed list 11:36:04 Attacks: 11:36:05 - Hit (up to 40 damage + rapier, plus up to 30 cold damage if it beats/passes/? AC) 11:36:07 - Claw x2 (up to 20 damage) 11:36:16 ^ also too verbose and cumbersome! but more readable, maybe? 11:36:23 <|amethyst> sub-bullets 11:36:40 <|amethyst> * Hit: up to 40 damage + rapier 11:37:35 <|amethyst> - up to 30 cold damage if words 11:38:20 i friggin love words 11:38:32 oh, i just realized i didn't thank you for fixing up those panzot saves! 11:38:48 those were weighing on my conscience pretty bad. i've promised to fix saves before and not come through :( so thanks! 11:40:21 'post-AC' would be a very compact phrase, but i'm not sure it'd clarify anything really 11:40:28 "if damage is dealt"# 11:40:43 -# 11:41:44 could! technically wrong for deep dwarves, but really, who cares about deep dwarves 11:42:31 <|amethyst> could change the mechanics to match the new descriptions :) 11:43:51 <|amethyst> rather than trying to succinctly express something where succinctness of expression has rarely been a priority 11:44:20 deep dwarf buffs! 11:44:41 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:45:11 <|amethyst> remove their wand and recharge ability to compensate 11:45:22 sgtm 11:48:20 -!- chcl3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:59:29 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:56 -!- Stonar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:14:00 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:15:59 sophia (L15 GrFi) ASSERT(m) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1978 failed. (Zot (ZotDef)) 12:19:03 oh yeah 12:19:05 that's 12:19:09 !bug 10823 12:19:09 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10823 12:19:11 i should probably reply to that 12:19:27 hm, |amethyst, can you delete their game? 12:20:07 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:22:05 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-253-g627bfb6: Changelog updates through 0.20-a0-252-gcc89fee 10(25 seconds ago, 1 file, 45+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/627bfb6be1b5 12:22:20 tonight at 11: A user's game crashes, causing enraged devteam to delete the save file 12:22:38 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:39 i'm incandescent, personally. 12:22:51 you can be fluorescent if you like 12:23:08 i always imagined you more as iridescent 12:23:19 !!! 12:23:36 pre or post-nerf? 12:23:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 12:25:50 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:26:38 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-252-gcc89fee (34) 12:28:41 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 12:32:00 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:36:38 thought: what if we marked all shapeshifters as slimes? 12:36:39 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:48 hm, what's the thing console players are supposed to do if they don't want to be dark blue? 12:44:38 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:16 -!- GhostOfToal has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:51:12 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:50 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:58:59 -!- Adum has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:57 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-30-november-2016 13:09:21 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-253-g627bfb6 (34) 13:09:52 -!- sully_ is now known as sully 13:10:58 good list 13:14:43 PleasingFungus: a friend has an amusing suggestion: "If eating my hat crashes the game now, I'll eat my hat." 13:15:05 shouldn't the drain by running out of flight over water should be a bit more constrained? 13:15:16 SteelNeuron: why? 13:15:21 autoexplore placed me in the middle of a moat as a tengu and I've been at 0 on every skill for the past three floors 13:15:26 It feels a bit excessive 13:15:28 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:15:44 sounds like an autoexplore issue. 13:15:46 can you describe that more? 13:16:05 yeah, if you only have temporary flight i'm surprised autoexplore took you over deep water 13:16:07 sorry, my bad, it wasn't really autoexplore 13:16:12 it was a shift-walk 13:16:15 rip 13:16:17 over what I thought was a short moat 13:16:22 at least you didn't drown 13:16:24 but it went on forever 13:16:27 it's not clear to me why it causes draining at all 13:16:35 Long Flight Over A Short Moat 13:17:03 minmay: so flight duration isn't a boolean? 13:19:11 -!- Doesnty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:57 I don't see an advantage to staying over deep water/lava for a long time, so it seems a lot simpler and better to just use the current expiration behaviour (expires as soon as you enter habitable terrain) and get rid of the draining 13:20:01 imagine if you were encouraged to pop !flight and then fly around the outside of shoals, being careful to never touch the ground until you'd finished exploring 13:20:06 because all the draining does is punish unspoiled players really hard 13:20:27 You're already encouraged to do a variant of that if you have a ring of flight 13:20:38 a significantly less convenient variant, at that 13:21:34 these are fundamental problems with liquids in crawl that aren't going to be solved by any change to flight except removing flight entirely (which I would also support) 13:21:45 i know you would :) 13:22:56 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:23:25 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:05 you can, by the way, easily solve the issue you bring up by removing !flight - there are plenty of other sources of flight 13:24:28 there's ring of flight, vampire batform, some tmuts 13:24:54 yes, and none of those are consumable so none of them lead to the problem you bring up (also vampire batform doesn't expire until you tell it to...) 13:25:00 by some tmuts i guess i just mean dragon form plus badforms (which don't count) 13:25:24 well, vampire batform (& gargoyle & tengu flight) are only available to those races 13:25:28 how about this 13:25:31 if you run out of flight 13:25:33 i don't honestly think there are "plenty of other sources of flight" right now 13:25:36 you get mesmerised towards the closest land 13:25:39 fullstop 13:25:42 i think we've brought it down to 'fairly few' 13:25:45 of course, if you don't consider unspoiled players getting drained a lot in vaults to be a problem, then this change isn't worth making 13:26:10 i'm really unconvinced that there's an epidemic of unspoiled players getting megadrained 13:26:49 boots of flight, ring of flight, potion of flight, being a gargoyle/tengu/black dr, dragon form, and for water: merfolk, octopode, ice/hydra form, fedhas 13:26:59 PleasingFungus: I mean, an unspoiled player getting megadrained is what started this conversation... 13:27:04 one (1) 13:27:21 and i think that's a ui issue 13:27:25 I don't recall claiming there was an epidemic 13:27:50 Yes, flight is a UI issue, I agree with that, and I'm proposing a way to solve that issue 13:28:02 SteelNeuron: seems ill-defined, especially if there's no land in sight 13:28:13 minmay: no, i mean shift-walking 13:28:33 it's also still punishing you really hard for not knowing how long flight lasts/not knowing a vault layout 13:28:40 PleasingFungus: if there is no land in sight, you can go to the last remembered position in land. After all, you can't teleport offshore 13:28:48 hm, you can't actually do that 13:28:58 re shiftwalking into moats 13:29:13 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:13 i guess you could shiftwalk deep into a moat and then walk all the way back out again manually 13:29:35 that's more or less what happened to me yes 13:29:37 but that's a case where tele is appropriate 13:29:42 the back of a castle moat 13:29:54 no scroll of tele. I guess I put myself in a bit of an edge case :) 13:29:58 just as it was in the old days when you got the 'flight expiring' message in the middle of nowhere 13:30:00 oops 13:30:01 It has become the weakest tengu ever 13:30:06 rip 13:30:15 Still alive, I managed to climb out of half the drain 13:30:20 but I don't hold much hope haha 13:30:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:30:27 minmay: isn't that just an argument against vaults, tho 13:31:34 I think I'm more likely to get flight partially fixed than get all vaults removed from the game 13:32:12 even just flying way slower would be enough of a deterrent IMO 13:32:19 duly noted 13:32:20 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.0/20161104212021]] 13:32:26 being affected by slow 13:32:37 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:33:31 turn it into brogue swimming 13:33:42 Your 6 scrolls of blinking float away... 13:35:04 call temp flight 'swimming' and it can have a negative impact on movespeed, attack speed, spellpower 13:35:23 and remove drain 13:35:41 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:36:14 that way swimming is rarely worth it because of the tactical disadvantages, but it won't cripple you strategically 13:36:16 if you do that players will ask why you have to fly in order to swim 13:36:32 sigh arguments from realism 13:36:53 why is there a beach 20 floors below the surface? 13:40:09 so that flight has to drain you 13:49:18 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:00 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 13:51:27 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:51:47 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:06 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:17 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:56:00 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:57:17 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 14:00:08 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:32 -!- chcl3 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:08:28 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:35 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 14:13:28 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:14:22 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:15:34 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-253-ge137234: Tension and divine weapon tweaks 10(29 seconds ago, 4 files, 12+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e137234a68dd 14:15:42 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:15:57 -!- aegolden has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:09 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:43 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-253-g212d612: Tension and divine weapon tweaks 10(6 minutes ago, 3 files, 9+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/212d612eb417 14:22:08 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:26:03 -!- aegolden has quit [Quit: aegolden] 14:27:33 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:29:09 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:34:09 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:36:49 -!- Kenran has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:08 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:52 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 14:46:57 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:47:18 -!- Svitkona has quit [Excess Flood] 14:48:24 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:50:49 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:59 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:52:37 -!- namad8 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:54:13 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:54:13 -!- gressup has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:55:01 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:12 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:11 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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also i feel like i'm drowning in %s%s%s%s%s 16:53:25 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 16:59:35 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:39 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:54 -!- sneakyness has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:03:58 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:15:36 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:17:17 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-255-g9f7bdd3: Adjust monster damage descriptions 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 44+ 30-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9f7bdd3a75cc 17:17:27 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:46 still not sure about the shadowstep one there, probably should've left the XXX in really 17:17:59 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:19:10 i think it's a bunch better for things with multiple different AFs now at least 17:21:38 make_stringf("%s%s%s%s %s%s", 17:21:40 very good line 17:22:05 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:23:08 yes :') 17:23:28 it has less %ss than before! but the lack of anything else at all makes it better imo 17:24:58 <|amethyst> hm 17:25:11 <|amethyst> can pan lords transferred from old games have removed AFs? 17:25:27 seems like a very rare scenario, if they can 17:26:03 demonic chokocrawlers 17:26:51 <|amethyst> if it happened, it would cause ASSERT(desc) in _flavour_effect and _flavour_base_desc to fail 17:27:26 do random pan lords even show their AFs? they probably shouldn't if so 17:27:41 <|amethyst> ah, good point 17:28:00 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:28:22 yeah, looks like they don't 17:28:29 i suppose ideal would be to track it like spells are tracked 17:29:28 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:30:10 <|amethyst> hm 17:30:44 <|amethyst> I guess old transferred magenta ugly things might be a problem 17:30:52 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:30:53 <|amethyst> since they had AF_DISEASE 17:30:59 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-256-gabb291d: Make wizmode superhealing remove weakness 10(51 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/abb291d76a6f 17:31:07 <|amethyst> probably those already cause problems? 17:31:29 since pan lord attack flavour is fixed, why not just show it all the time 17:31:34 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:41 i mean if you can evaluate instantly what the pan lord defenses are... 17:31:56 because having to xv every pan lord in advance would be really annoying 17:32:25 and the point of the randomness is that you don't know what they can do 17:32:34 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: but chequers does have a point re defenses 17:32:45 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: you already want to xv the pan lord to see about its AC/EV 17:33:18 true, those are much less important though i think 17:33:53 though i guess maybe the recent change to make them more likely to have extreme ac/ev could be an issue there 17:34:19 <|amethyst> btw, do the things in _describe_demon have any relationship to the tiles chosen? 17:34:38 <|amethyst> e.g. if the pan lord has "a cubic structure in place of a head", does it get a head tile to match? 17:35:00 i vaguely feel like some of it affects the tile 17:35:42 |amethyst: it does 17:35:42 not sure how or where that happens though 17:35:52 <|amethyst> ah, I see, they use the same hash 17:35:54 i added more descriptions and then ontoclasm was sad i broke the matching 17:35:59 <|amethyst> !source _describe_demon 17:35:59 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc#L604 17:36:15 <|amethyst> !source mcache_demon::mcache_demon 17:36:15 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/tilemcache.cc#L1447 17:36:35 -!- HarryHood has joined ##crawl-dev 17:37:49 <|amethyst> I see, it's a matter of e.g. head_names in _describe_demon lining up with the DEMON_HEAD variants in dc-demon.txt 17:39:14 <|amethyst> though I'm not clear how that interacts with the colour variations 17:40:03 <|amethyst> I guess the %repeat stuff makes each colour variation repeat the whole list of shapes 17:44:05 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:49 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 17:46:53 !lg * status~~sleep 17:46:54 25. Tux the Zephyrmancer (L13 TeAE of Vehumet), slain by a dream sheep on Lair:5 (lab_entry_generic) on 2016-11-30 20:43:22, with 22502 points after 17387 turns and 1:21:03. 17:46:57 ah, success 17:47:12 <|amethyst> !lg * status~~sleep s=ktyp 17:47:14 25 games for * (status~~sleep): 24x pois, mon 17:47:18 Brannock: um 17:47:24 it'll take a while for more entries to roll in 17:47:34 -!- jfcaron has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:47:36 it killed me while i was on lab entrance 17:47:36 Tuxedo[Qyou], I made a change recently so that sleeping players don't wake up if they're killed 17:47:43 it'll make tracking sleep kills much easier 17:47:47 <|amethyst> Tuxedo[Qyou]: "success" here means that it actually reports you as having been asleep 17:47:50 you are our first example! 17:47:58 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:58 okay i'm proud 17:49:44 i think i was first at something too 17:49:50 !lm * br.enter=desolation 1 17:49:52 1/2195. [2016-08-26 10:14:57] eragonby the Severer (L18 MiFi of Okawaru) entered the Desolation of Salt on turn 33382. (Vaults:2) 17:49:57 nevermind! 17:55:16 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:40 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:00 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:07 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:56 <|amethyst> oh, btw 18:00:00 <|amethyst> http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/ 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:12 <|amethyst> scripts need to be updated to look for 0.20 instead of 0.19 18:00:35 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:36 The build has errored. (master - 9f7bdd3 #7323 : Chris Campbell): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/180233643 18:00:36 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 <|amethyst> I don't remember who all has access to CDO; I do, but I don't have time to update it at the moment 18:01:41 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:04:23 <|amethyst> BTW, a suggestion I saw on reddit... make Haste Other a player spell (and probably reduce the level). 18:05:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:05:21 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:05:57 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:35 !lg * title=planerender 1 18:08:38 1/8. amalloy the Planerender (L27 DrSu of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-06-08 08:51:32, with 10727668 points after 155756 turns and 1d+3:00:40. 18:08:45 chequers: a "first" i stole for myself 18:09:19 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-256-gabb291d (34) 18:09:54 (by achieving it shortly after making it possible) 18:11:16 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-256-gabb291d (34) 18:12:25 <|amethyst> !lg * skill=invo piety>=160 s=title 18:12:26 6655 games for * (skill=invo piety>=160): 1457x Champion of Chaos, 989x End of an Era, 603x Bringer of Law, 588x Corrupter of Planes, 571x Bringer of Light, 380x Bringer of Life, 231x Grim Reaper, 227x Messiah, 204x Victor of a Thousand Battles, 161x Genius of the Arcane, 154x Ticktocktomancer, 127x Force of Nature, 114x Demonic Aeon, 89x Worldly Agent, 79x Agitator, 55x Trollish Aeon, 55x Hand of... 18:12:35 <|amethyst> !lg * skill=invo piety>=160 x=cdist(title) 18:12:36 6655 games for * (skill=invo piety>=160): cdist(title)=79 18:13:06 -!- smips has quit [Client Quit] 18:14:16 <|amethyst> oh, Foo Eon and Foo Aeon inflate the number a bit 18:14:45 <|amethyst> !lg * skill=invo piety>=160 title=blasphemer x=god,piety 18:14:46 3. [god=Zin;piety=173] Recette the Blasphemer (L16 HOFi of Zin), demolished by Agnes (a +3 lajatang of electrocution) on Snake:2 on 2016-06-24 06:17:46, with 119044 points after 25561 turns and 1:34:12. 18:14:57 <|amethyst> !lg * skill=invo piety>=160 title=blasphemer x=god,piety,penance 18:14:57 Unknown field: penance 18:15:17 <|amethyst> !lg * skill=invo piety>=160 title=blasphemer x=god,piety -log 18:15:18 3. Recette, XL16 HOFi, T:25561: http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/trunk/Recette/morgue-Recette-20160624-061746.txt 18:15:32 I think even Haste Other would be problematic. Changes the power level of summoning spells (or other allies) a lot. 18:15:35 <|amethyst> ah, yes, "Was the Champion of Zin (penitent)" 18:17:13 <|amethyst> Medar: hm, perhaps... currently it's either a limited resource or takes some tricks to get 18:17:42 <|amethyst> (tricks like Enslave Soul on a monster with Haste Other) 18:18:46 <|amethyst> I don't think hasting allies was a balance problem in the past, but 18:18:56 <|amethyst> I guess it is a "balancing" problem 18:19:03 Maybe I'm over estimating it 18:20:10 Lowering the level would make it much more spammable though, and allow non-spellcasters use it 18:20:19 well, if it were lower level it seems like it'd be more likely to be a problem balance-wise, yeah 18:21:49 and even at a high level it doesn't feel like an especially worthwhile thing to enable unlimited hasting of allies, even if it's less of a problem than self-haste it's still not really that interesting a thing 18:23:50 maybe there is some potential in area of effect ally buff spell or something like that instead 18:23:51 summon guardian golem seems like a better example of "spell that strengthens your allies somehow", maybe there's room for more along those lines but i don't think haste other would be it 18:24:13 something you don't have to cast multiple times and that you would use during the battle 18:24:27 not standing behind a wall targeting summons one by one 18:24:35 sophia (L15 GrFi) ASSERT(m) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1978 failed. (Zot (ZotDef)) 18:25:27 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:26:59 just make a reverse torpor snail that you can summon 18:27:04 -!- CrawlWall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:28:18 -!- smips has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:58 -!- Bammboo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:47 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:32:24 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:32 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:35 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 18:35:24 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:59 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:43:02 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:46:33 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:46:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:49:12 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:54:48 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:43 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 19:12:04 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:21 Unexpected title shown in Uska religion screen 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10835 by damerell 19:24:15 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:21 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:30:33 -!- frd has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:32:00 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:51 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:49:45 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:54:47 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:25 -!- Telnaior has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:07 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:16:38 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 20:19:15 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 20:20:32 -!- chcl3 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:25:53 -!- hellmonk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:35:19 -!- duvessa has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:45:03 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:50:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:27 -!- HarryHood has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:59 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:02:11 -!- cait_ is now known as cait 21:03:20 -!- chcl3 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:05:37 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:05 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:06:18 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:06:57 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:08:09 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:22 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 21:10:51 MarvinPA: re earlier panlord discussion, i always xv every panlord when i see them anyway 21:11:02 since they include important info such as: speed 21:37:34 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 21:40:17 -!- CrawlWall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:41:01 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:42:19 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:19 -!- Taraiph has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:01 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:04 j 22:10:04 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:11:51 ditto 22:11:55 mostly to see how insane the AC/EV is 22:12:08 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 22:12:11 PleasingFungus: could we show the healing range for potions/wands of heal wounds ingame? 22:12:39 hm, seems technically feasible. 22:12:53 from a 'would my pr get accepted' perspective? 22:13:00 i'm not gonna stand against it. 22:13:08 i mean technically it's just a line in the item description, right 22:13:18 :p 22:13:38 the question is, does that make people spend more time examining, like, do i have exactly enough hp after healing this much to do whatever 22:13:41 number fiddling 22:13:57 i was just playing a DD and wondering when it would be 'efficient' to heal 22:14:41 dd..... 22:15:20 you can't pretend they don't exist! they have rights! 22:17:28 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:17:53 removedwarves.org 22:20:48 mountain dwarves can still win 22:24:42 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:27:48 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:28 DD are real and full of meme power 22:31:46 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:33:08 meme dwarfs... 22:37:43 I feel like at some point in the last couple years the dev team used to be adamant about hiding numbers from the players 22:37:48 but now the floodgates are opening up? 22:39:51 some of it is just no one bothered to make displays for these things, PF has done most of the work as I recall 22:40:08 for other things there's not really agreement that any 'floodgate' should be oppened 22:40:29 *opened 22:45:46 i think it's reasonable to consider things on a case-by-case basis 22:46:01 i remember a discussion from earlier in the year that was along the lines of "look, if the information is accessible through Gretell irc, is it really important to hide the information in-game to disadvantage offline players?" 22:46:36 but yeah, i think it will continue to be case by case. I can't see the textual descriptions for resistances being turned into graphs 22:49:57 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:57:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:58:37 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:54 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:59:41 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:59:49 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:04 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 23:02:57 -!- Taraiph is now known as Skwisgaar_Skwige 23:03:09 -!- Skwisgaar_Skwige is now known as Nathan_Explosion 23:03:28 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:03:51 -!- Nathan_Explosion is now known as Master_Wizard 23:05:58 displaying the range for heal wounds might be a little misleading since it is not a uniform distribution - the range is 10-37, but it is pretty unlikely to be near the endpoints (it is actually 10 + random2avg(28, 3) = 9 + (1d28+2d29)/3) 23:08:18 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:47 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 23:10:13 <|amethyst> display the distribution as a sparkline :) 23:10:47 I was thinking more of just saying "avg 23.5" :P 23:12:57 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:15:05 i am going to use my Dev Privilege to veto decimals 23:15:21 dev privilege... 23:17:03 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:17:44 are you guys ever gonna buff or remove poison magic so people will quit making shitty threads about it 23:17:52 i literally just buffed it 23:18:10 by just i mean like two week sago 23:18:34 what was the buff 23:18:42 pcloud change I'm guessing 23:18:51 ^ 23:18:53 that's the one that didn't need buffing!!! 23:18:54 pee cloud, if you will 23:19:26 devs merge my poison mage -> moon magic PR now, it will fix the VM class once and for all 23:19:30 <|amethyst> also, allowing you to use it under TSO is technically a buff 23:19:35 s/mage/magic/ 23:19:35 submit a patch to hellcrawl 23:19:38 ooh, good catch 23:19:51 this is all just one more commit in a long line of ~caster nerfs~ 23:19:58 but tso is always suboptimal therefore not a buff :^) 23:20:18 tso buff: remove TSO altars so people can't worship that suboptimal god 23:20:24 agree 23:20:34 <|amethyst> nerf caster: http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=57818906 23:20:36 fr: never generate altars except to trog, fedhas, kiku 23:20:52 kiku is honoured to be in this pantheon 23:21:21 undead gotta worship something 23:21:25 I'm glad every single piece of ammo has Star Wars logo in as large a font as possible 23:23:27 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:24:34 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 23:29:14 -!- aditya has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 23:33:53 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:41:58 PleasingFungus: "avg 47/2" 23:42:27 "about 23" 23:42:35 or 24, which is a slightly more aesthetic number 23:42:42 ideally it would be higher yet, but 23:42:50 -!- jfcaron has quit [Quit: jfcaron] 23:43:13 yes 23:44:30 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:45:07 -!- Master_Wizard is now known as Taraiph 23:45:51 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 23:45:52 PleasingFungus: have you considered swapping transferrance and idealise unlock order 23:48:24 yes 23:48:25 i have, like twice 23:52:53 have you ever used transferrance to gank orcs or idealise to get meph online? 23:53:17 I'll need to put up a list of "hep chars" for my one char poll 23:53:26 s/one/next/ 23:54:06 these days, i only 'gank mid' 23:55:59 damn, I don't know the latest mlg pro egamer speak 23:56:25 crawl is gonna be the next big esports 23:57:34 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:57:48 https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/5ftthi/a_huge_thankyou_to_the_community_finally_getting/ 23:57:55 hellmonk: that's why you need the top dcss twitch streamers to play your fork 23:58:04 yea 23:58:05 which I'd maybe do if you hit up the twitch donation button a lot more 23:58:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:58:25 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 23:58:53 well I'll think about it once I have the definitive hellcrawl experience put together 23:58:57 actually it needs to be hosted on a real server first 23:59:01 theres still so many features to make un 23:59:11 cpo has no console and would be very laggy 23:59:17 yeah 23:59:55 might be fun to do a hellcrawl stream, in all seriousness