00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:14 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:16 it's extra rare now! 00:01:24 ! 00:02:11 since remove 00:02:14 d 00:09:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:11:16 -!- sooheon has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:20 so this is just a suggestion but maybe sack of spiders shouldn't create both webs and monsters that get caught in webs 00:14:18 wrath creates a visible W 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10814 by rchandra 00:15:14 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:15 The build passed. (master - e5586d9 #7234 : Isaac Sloat): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/178167706 00:15:15 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:18:35 i can't see in the code where vehumet creates summons 00:18:40 ??W 00:18:40 w[1/3]: w (w)ields a weapon. W (W)ears armour. ^W sets fast-travel (W)aypoints. w (glyph) is a worm or tentacle (see w[2]). W (glyph) is a Wraith (non-corporeal undead) (see W[3]). 00:18:46 ??W[3 00:18:47 w[3/3]: A wraith-type monster. All are non-corporeal most have unique melee or spell effects. See: {phantom} {wraith} {hungry ghost} {freezing wraith} {shadow} {phantasmal warrior} {shadow wraith} {drowned soul} {eidolon} {silent spectre} and {flayed ghost}. 00:18:49 <|amethyst> chequers: it's not really a summon 00:18:53 <|amethyst> chequers: it's a fake god monster 00:18:55 could it be a byproduct of a spell? 00:19:00 oh 00:19:04 that's a thing? 00:19:05 <|amethyst> !source get_avatar 00:19:05 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/godwrath.cc#L561 00:19:27 are you saying it's technically possible to kill every god in this game 00:19:59 <|amethyst> no, the monster only exists long enough to cast its spell 00:20:08 <|amethyst> I suppose it might be possible for it to kill itself? 00:20:10 Guys, I've found a nasty way to scum for xp and piety 00:20:23 |amethyst: maybe with firestorm! 00:21:17 <|amethyst> minmay: oh? 00:22:07 1. polymorph plant into shambling mangrove, 2. hit shambling mangrove until it releases wasps, 3. polymorph shambling mangrove into other plant, 4. repeat 00:23:34 <|amethyst> isn't it easier to find a bunch of plants, and polymorph them into mangroves one at a time? 00:23:57 but then you don't get infinite wasps 00:24:21 how did you get infinite polymorphs 00:24:23 <|amethyst> oh, mutagenic fogs 00:24:26 worship xom 00:24:27 <|amethyst> s/fogs/fog/ 00:24:36 <|amethyst> ah 00:24:36 or use a chaos weapon 00:25:08 (surprisingly i discovered this not because of xom but because i zapped random effects at an oklob plant) 00:25:26 <|amethyst> that said, I would not mind marking mangrove wasps as no-xp 00:25:31 minmay: did the spiders generate with webs on them? 00:25:37 yeah that would be good 00:25:43 I thought spiders were all immune to webs 00:25:46 gammafunk: it made webs and ants and the ants got caught in the webs 00:25:50 right! 00:26:00 because ants are spiders, so of course you find ants in a sack of spiders 00:26:01 crap, yeah that's a thing I never even thought about 00:26:11 when DrKe and I were busy with all of those sack of spiders changes 00:26:20 it's not really sack of spiders any more 00:26:22 sack of bugs 00:26:44 well, it's still about 66% spiders and 33% ants 00:26:51 sack of ass 00:26:53 <|amethyst> moths are fine though, because of course those never get stuck in spider webs 00:27:25 ...that joke probably looks even less clever to tiles players 00:27:47 |amethyst: hah 00:27:54 add that to ??realism 00:28:17 my cat ate a moth once 00:28:25 it made a really loud crunching noise 00:31:05 I used to feed cicadas to my geribls 00:31:07 gerbils 00:31:32 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-187-ge5586d949a (34) 00:33:19 Stable (0.19) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19.0-26-g9e9c210 00:34:54 hm, polymorphing a very large slime creature should result in 3 monsters right 00:35:29 xom just polymorphed it into a single hell hog (not even going to bother with the dual holiness complaint this time) 00:36:37 sack if insectosoids 00:37:44 chequers confirmed for team remove spider 00:38:22 spider is my favourite lair branch 00:38:30 or should I say, my least un-favourite 00:38:33 i was making fun of your typo 00:38:48 i just wanted to tell you a little bit about me 00:38:54 -!- Rast is now known as rast 00:39:04 oh ok. can i tell you a little bit about me 00:39:16 !tell dpeg wandering in the abyss increases gozag join cost.... 00:39:16 rast: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 00:39:18 you tell me a lot about your dreams, I think more than I tell you 00:39:29 rast: hah 00:39:51 -!- Beargit has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:39:52 chequers, yeah its "hilarious" 00:40:08 does exploring temple increase it 00:40:18 no, there isnt gold in the temple 00:40:20 no, it increases whenever gold generated increases 00:40:44 !source gozag_service_fee 00:40:44 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/religion.cc#L2993 00:41:06 i guess we need an attribute for non-abyssal gold generated 00:41:15 or just base in on xl 00:41:36 or make it a free or a flat 100 00:41:41 BORING 00:41:50 i guess pan suffers a similar problem 00:42:20 based on XL is good 00:42:23 actually, the attribute is only used for gozag 00:43:38 deeper gozag altar already has the same disadvantage that every altar has: the longer you have to wait before you find it, the longer it takes you to get your piety up 00:43:45 rcorr literally does nothing against entropy weavers, right 00:44:01 there's no need to double the penalty by increasing the join cost once you find it 00:44:08 rast, i think the idea is that your gozag piety is gold, so you shouldn't start with a bunch of piety 00:44:25 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44:30 (except the join cost doesn't accomplish that at all) 00:44:42 i think also the idea was to prevent lategame switches -> buy shops -> quit being viable 00:44:59 you will have missed out on all the kill gold 00:45:10 New branch created: pull/409 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/409 00:45:10 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/409 * 0.20-a0-187-gde8063a: Only count connected branches for Gozag service fee 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/de8063aff413 00:45:12 yes 00:45:18 chequers: it doesn't really do anything about that either though 00:45:19 you arent going to buy many shops with just the gold provided by floorgod 00:45:37 maybe gozag should just take a portion of your money and remove all money in accessible levels that you haven't picked up 00:45:48 like if you want to prevent that, just remove all your gold when you join and---yeah 00:45:49 or just remove the service fee 00:46:01 yeah, that one is fine too 00:46:26 !lm * t god.worship gozag turn>10000 00:46:29 34. [2016-11-20 18:29:00] Meowch the Covert (L9 SpCj of Gozag) became a worshipper of Gozag on turn 13497. (Temple) 00:46:32 if you find gozag at xl 10 you are going to have less piety (gold) than if you'd found him at xl5, regardless of service fees 00:46:35 !lm * t god.worship gozag turn>10000 xl>15 00:46:37 5. [2016-11-16 19:40:56] igooo the Hoplite (L25 HOFi of Gozag) became a worshipper of Gozag on turn 60268. (Temple) 00:46:41 since all those monsters you killed before him didnt give gold 00:46:44 !lm * t god.worship gozag turn>10000 xl>15 -log 00:46:46 igooo, XL27 HOFi, T:139613: http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/0.19/igooo/morgue-igooo-20161117-000223.txt 00:46:54 korean strat alert 00:47:20 oh, god wrath conduct 00:47:23 !lm * t god.worship gozag turn>10000 xl>15 -log -2 00:47:26 skk, XL27 DsFi, T:63479: http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/skk/morgue-skk-20161114-234329.txt 00:47:31 right 00:47:53 hm, this isn't super useful. it doesn't show the service fee 00:48:06 and i am too lazy to check the tv 00:48:07 and that one was someone trying to gozag up a megazaig 00:48:42 the difficulty of finding a morgue where this actually happened is kind of informative in itself 00:49:07 right, because converting to gozag late game is just bad 00:49:12 in a "we don't need to stop people swapping to gozag, because gozag isn't a good god to swap to even without the fee" sort of way? 00:49:15 you've missed out on a whole game worth of piety/gifts 00:49:35 !lg * t urune=15 won !gozag x=avg(gold) 00:49:36 334 games for * (t urune=15 won !gozag): avg(gold)=7595.34 00:49:56 even if you are using gozag for the tactical potion petion, you've missed out on a whole game of stacking up gold for that 00:50:10 i think in a foo->tso swap, it would make sense for many characters to go foo->gozag->tso 00:50:21 plus PP is not so good once you have every potion anyway and could be using finesse or whatever 00:50:26 with say 5k gold you can open a shop and buy an artefact, and gozag's wrath is not so bad 00:51:00 um, the one thing i could say for swapping to gozag is that bribe branch wins zot 5 00:51:10 just to check do we all agree making that behaviour possible is bad? 00:51:14 maybe gather up 6k gold and do that twice if needed (once is plenty) 00:51:30 which behavior? 00:51:31 do you could do that if you swap from low wrath things in a 3-rune game 00:51:58 the idea of adding in gozag during a god swap when you have spare cash 00:52:08 if that's something it would be desirable to make easier 00:52:16 ive never experienced gozag wrath but i have heard it is nasty 00:52:37 it's nasty early, not sure about late 00:52:44 the benefits of X-->goz-->TSO seem really weak compared to x-->TSO (which i've fdone a lot) 00:53:11 say X is oka, and you already have 3 runes 00:53:18 and you've looted v:5 and elf:3 00:53:27 buying shops isnt gonna do much more for you 00:53:46 plus you've had 50 levels of floorgod 00:53:46 gozag wrath = 50% of monsters you see get hasted (if they have spells) or berserked (otherwise) with infinite duration 00:53:46 gozag wrath is significantly worse than a few shops is good 00:53:57 chequers: and potion failure 00:54:07 forgot about that 00:54:19 yeah, that's why i've never expeienced it, because it sounds awful 00:54:26 -!- iceiceice has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:52 and it seems like if gozag abandonment is an issue, it should be dealt with at the abandonment stage and not the worship stage 00:55:02 +1 00:56:59 man, god wrath is never changed though 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:46 well if you're complaining about god abandonment, making god wrath less of a mess seems like a good start on addressing that complaint 01:02:18 I think it's more interesting if gods can't be abandoned in optimal play, but can for reckless people 01:02:50 that's status quo for every god except fedhas->jiyva 01:03:37 hi, i think i encountered a map generation bug 01:03:45 i am playing 0.17, exploring iron city of dis, 01:03:53 all the steps down to the next level are unreachable 01:04:02 and i dont have a way to break the metal walls 01:04:14 is it worth reporting or is this version too old? 01:05:18 &watch iceiceice 01:05:19 http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#watch-iceiceice 01:05:49 ah, offline? 01:05:59 what floor are you on? 01:06:09 yeah its offline 01:06:14 just playing from the ubuntu xenial repository 01:06:18 it's probably still worth reporting, because I don't think dis level generation has been modified since 0.17 01:06:20 im on Dis:4 01:06:34 what kind of report is helpful? 01:06:37 screenshot of map? 01:06:45 is there some kind of dump that is helpful? 01:07:10 send in your save file ideally 01:07:40 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:08:08 save file + screenshot of map would be ideal 01:08:18 fr: remove that miscast that curses items because it's really annoying that xom constantly does it 01:08:44 ok will do 01:08:53 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:16 -!- Xiberia has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 01:10:17 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19.0-26-g9e9c210 (34) 01:15:04 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:18:03 chequers: did you want to use a different email in that diff 01:18:22 I can edit it to be your usual one when I apply it 01:19:48 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-187-ge5586d949a (34) 01:21:44 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 01:22:23 -!- aegolden has joined ##crawl-dev 01:22:58 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:30:26 aegolden: We're about to tag 0.19.1, would you be able to do OS X builds for that? 01:31:35 dis:4 unreachable stairs down 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10815 by iceiceice 01:31:41 centaur warrior + hydra et al is a cruel cruel d8 vault 01:31:53 gammafunk: well now I’m worried about the clock_gettime thing geekosaur was warning about 01:32:05 -!- broquaint has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:06 oh, did you git grep for this? 01:32:16 * geekosaur sort of wishes he understood the full details of that 01:32:29 and why another project I work with didn't initially have problems with it, until suddenly it did 01:32:45 something apparently uses it under the covers but it's not clear what :/ 01:33:08 I was able to confirm that the way I’m building, the binary *will* crash on 10.11 if clock_gettime is called 01:33:22 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:33:24 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:33:32 ah, thanks minmay! (!lg rchandra dsar d:8) 01:33:47 and I see clock_gettime in the contribs, but I can’t say for sure if crawl ever actually calls it. 01:34:37 if it's through a contrib, sounds like it'd have to be something like lua or sdl? 01:34:50 LostInTranslocation (L24 DsMo) (Crypt:1) 01:35:30 LostInTranslocation (L24 DsMo) (Crypt:1) 01:35:38 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:36:11 LostInTranslocation (L24 DsMo) (Crypt:1) 01:36:44 LostInTranslocation (L24 DsMo) (Crypt:1) 01:36:51 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:54 !crash LostInTranslocation 01:36:55 8. LostInTranslocation, XL24 DsMo, T:64172 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/LostInTranslocation/crash-LostInTranslocation-20161123-063634.txt 01:37:23 oh, councilgod 01:38:02 &dump LostInTranslocation 01:38:03 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/LostInTranslocation/LostInTranslocation.txt 01:38:13 ring of shadows? 01:38:18 oh, sword of power 01:38:21 I see a bunch of uses under android-project and a couple libtests directories, which are probably not a problem 01:38:28 LostInTranslocation (L24 DsMo) (Abyss:1) 01:38:41 yeah, obviously android-project wouldn't affect OS X 01:38:50 but I also see it in contrib/sdl2/src/timer/unix/SDL_systimer.c and in contrib/sqlite/sqlite3.c 01:39:10 those could indeed be a problem 01:39:21 it's possible we might need to update some of those contribs 01:39:33 LostInTranslocation (L24 DsMo) (Abyss:1) 01:39:51 this dump might be old 01:41:08 gammafunk: those uses are behind some #ifdefs so I’m going to check what the state of the #ifdefs are when I build, see if those uses are actually getting compiled. 01:42:22 !seen SteelNeuon 01:42:22 Sorry gammafunk, I haven't seen steelneuon. 01:42:23 er 01:43:23 !tell SteelNeuron see !crash lostintranslocation for a crash with councilgod and what appears to be a reaction from sword of power 01:43:24 gammafunk: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 01:44:20 aegolden: well, maybe I'll hold off from the tag a bit, if you're working on this, it's not critical that we tag now or anything 01:44:27 I can check again tomorrow 01:44:37 gammafunk: so when I build with “make mac-app-tiles TILES=y” I see HAVE_CLOCK_GETTIME is false in SDL_systimer.c, so it will *not* use clock_gettime, and OS_VXWORKS is false in sqlite3.c, so it will also *not* call clock_gettime. 01:45:01 so maybe it’s ok, I’m going to try to dig in carefully and make sure 01:45:06 OS_VXWORKS sounds like a platform specific define anyhow 01:45:17 aegolden: yeah that's a realtime OS 01:45:23 so you should not ever have to worry about that one 01:45:47 geekosaur’s more general point is valid though, there may be other weirdness that we don’t know about. Building on the latest SDK and deploying to older OS versions is absolutely what Apple wants us to do… but that doesn’t mean they set us up for success. 01:46:11 apple only wants us to do it for one OS version back 01:46:40 well, probably the only realistic concern we have is that our build works for at least the current and previous versions of OS X, and ideally it would also include 10.10 01:47:02 it would ideal to support older versions but not if it prevents us from having builds 01:47:15 they even remove too-old stuff from the app store, and reportedly they made a pre-10.12 sweep that removed things that supported pre-10.10 even if they also supported 10.11 01:47:17 we can mention on our downloads that OS X older than is not supported 01:47:21 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:55 I think if we can say for sure that clock_gettime is not being used then it’s probably ok to build this way and say 10.10 and up, ideally we’d get some decent testing. I’m now equipped to test 10.11 and 10.12, but not 10.10. 01:48:02 (admittedly that was hearsay and may have been people who don't check things very well... reddit posters are not exactly 100% reliable) 01:48:16 I don't think I've ever read a false reddit post....ever 01:48:43 I still have apps live on the store that support (supposedly) 10.7 and 10.8, though I don’t know how many users are actually trying to run on those older systems now. 01:48:43 aegolden: sounds good, are there any commits you're looking to make for the OS X build at this point? 01:49:11 if there's anything that needs to get merged, I would want to cherry pick this to 0.19 01:49:54 I’ve got that stuff in PR 400, but it’s not critical for it to be merged at this point because I can cook up the builds with my local changes. 01:50:44 -!- ebering has joined ##crawl-dev 01:50:47 hi sequell 01:50:53 alrighty, sounds like I can go ahead and tag 01:51:11 tag you're it 01:52:28 I'm going to give this tag an annotation 01:52:36 with the contents of ??crab_rule 01:56:54 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-187-ge5586d949a 01:57:36 You almost hear Xom's maniacal laughter. 01:57:36 _The scales on your gold dragon scales wiggle briefly. 01:59:52 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:56 ...okay, so, okawaru and trog won't give you gifts over deep water right 02:02:34 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:04:25 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:05:15 gammafunk: yea I’m ready to do the builds, I’m pretty sure at this point that clock_gettime is not being compiled into the binary. If there are *other* bugs caused by weird SDK issues then, well, who knows… they’d just be bugs I guess. 02:06:16 LostInTranslocation (L24 DsMo) (Depths:1) 02:07:41 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.0/20161104212021]] 02:09:20 gammafunk: uh yeah 02:09:26 gammafunk: my usual one please 02:09:49 aegolden: ok, I'll send you a !tell when I do the tag 02:09:58 if you're not around 02:10:03 k 02:11:06 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:11:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:13:05 !tell pleasingfungus It can hit for up to 5 damage (plus club damage). <-- the double use of "damage" is sort of ugly. Perhaps "Its hits do up to 5 damage (plus extra from its club)." 02:13:06 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 02:13:37 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:15:27 -!- ZiBuDo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:27 !tell pleasingfungus, also for non-speed-10 attacking monsters maybe add "(and can attack approximately 1.2 times per 10 aut)" or something with better editing but similar info 02:16:27 Sorry chequers, I don't know who pleasingfungus, is. 02:16:34 !tell pleasingfungus ,also for non-speed-10 attacking monsters maybe add "(and can attack approximately 1.2 times per 10 aut)" or something with better editing but similar info 02:16:35 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 02:17:48 are draconians really good berserkers? 02:18:04 you miss out on their stat and apts which are more mage suited than many species 02:19:03 that's strange reasoning 02:19:31 you'd compare drbe to other --be, not to mages 02:20:35 they don't have any special spellcasting apts really, similar to Hu 02:20:50 well, i was thinking AC without body armour 02:21:06 right, that's relevant, but again comparing them to other berserkers 02:21:15 when you go trog, you don't care about spellcasting apts 02:21:24 shouldn't tr be recommended for like half the background then 02:21:41 recommendations don't work that way 02:21:55 if we recommended things based on whether they were strong 02:22:03 we'd have pretty bad recommendations 02:22:50 Dr get high early AC and good EV to go along with it, plus more HP and a breath attack, so as Be they're better than most early on 02:23:35 but they're definitely not amazing berserkers, perhaps slightly above average 02:24:09 but recommendations are a limited set of things to try that are synergistic with the given choice (or race or class) 02:24:13 that make sense 02:24:19 s/or race/race/ 02:25:56 at least that's what we're going for with recommendations, there will always be some arbitrariness to it 02:31:19 LostInTranslocation (L24 DsMo) (Crypt:2) 02:31:27 good name 02:31:31 !crash LostInTranslocation 02:31:32 12. LostInTranslocation, XL24 DsMo, T:67742 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/LostInTranslocation/crash-LostInTranslocation-20161123-073109.txt 02:31:54 councilgod 02:33:59 I've told steelneuron about that one already 02:34:02 sword of power crash 02:34:31 esc (L7 CeFi) ASSERT(verb_index < (int)ARRAYSZ(attack_types)) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2068 failed. (D:6) 02:34:44 chequers, how about (plus 6 from its club) 02:34:46 ??club 02:34:46 club[1/2]: (maces & flails; +3 acc / 5 dam / 1.3 base delay / 0.6 min delay). A heavy piece of wood. Bad. 02:34:56 5, whatever. gosh clubs suck 02:35:17 the problem with that was dealing with branded or otherwise special weapons, iirc 02:35:23 so for a mundane weapon you could do that 02:35:38 but then you would have (plus 6 from its club and extra damage from its brand) 02:36:48 esc (L7 CeFi) ASSERT(verb_index < (int)ARRAYSZ(attack_types)) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2068 failed. (D:6) 02:37:33 that's the bug PF fixed in xv 02:37:41 wonder if it didn't transfer 02:37:46 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:38:13 playing council god branch 02:38:35 ah, yep 02:38:39 it probably doesn't have that fix 02:38:50 escu: were you xv-ing a statue monster? 02:39:00 yeah, charred statue 02:39:05 if so, try to avoid doing that until we update the branch 02:39:12 noted 02:39:48 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:29 LostInTranslocation (L25 DsMo) (Crypt:3) 02:49:36 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:54:24 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-187-ge5586d949a 02:55:46 gammafunk: out of curiosity, why are the recommendations for human so skewed toward the book backgrounds? 02:56:18 well, we like there to be reasonably similar numbers of recommendations for each race and each class 02:56:46 that could be part of it, other more warrior-centric species taking up those recommends 02:56:55 mmm 02:56:57 but Hu are generalists, so book starts certainly make sense 02:57:06 I'm not sure how many of those are warrior-mages vs mages 02:57:20 i just checked the 0.19 list 02:57:32 and it's Be and 4 book backgrounds 02:57:41 "mage" backgrounds specifically 02:57:50 only 5 recommendations? 02:57:59 i'll look again 02:58:10 but i think most races only have 5 now 02:58:32 yep. Be, Cj, Ne, FE, IE 02:58:34 for hu 02:58:47 ok, not limited to 5 02:58:55 minotaur has 6 02:59:01 yeah, it's not limited to 5, but maybe the average is 5 02:59:10 so does fo 02:59:12 hahaha 02:59:19 octopodes have 8 02:59:29 tengu 7 02:59:51 i mean, i quit paying attention to the recommendations pretty early 02:59:59 I think the average is closer to 7 maybe 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:14 yeah, i'm not worried about it 03:00:15 it's possible that Hu could use more recommends 03:00:29 i just occasionally see one that looks really weird 03:00:45 I don't believe you, I think you're unable to sleep at night due to crawl recommendations 03:00:52 it's time to admit that you have a problem 03:00:54 you're right 03:01:01 and muwz really drives me nuts 03:01:18 muwz is better than a lot of mu 03:01:29 because mu has horrible apts at everything and how can you be expected to get all those spells online! =P 03:01:46 yeah, muwz isn't terrible. i'm really bad at mummies anyway 03:01:49 it's pre easy to get two diff spells online actually 03:01:54 but it's a fine idea 03:01:59 my 3rd muwz got off the ground very easilly 03:02:08 only lost the first two due to D:1 hijinks 03:02:13 heh 03:02:14 both avoidable deaths 03:02:29 mdart and imp are really the only things you need until you get a mace or something going ok 03:02:34 I quit that MuWz because PF made hexers not entertaining enough for my whims 03:02:42 haha 03:03:01 oh sorry that was MuVM 03:03:05 is there a plan forward for wudzu btw? 03:03:05 !lg . muwz 03:03:05 No games for gammafunk (muwz). 03:03:13 I'll have to do muwz at some point 03:03:31 not that I've heard, I don't think many were impressed with the god in its current incarnation 03:03:33 -!- Patashu__ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:04:01 yeah, i'm biased anyway 03:04:20 so my opinion shouldn't count much 03:04:33 but i did think that it focused too much on the passive abilities 03:05:49 also, it was way too much better on op/ce 03:05:58 and probably the other armor challenged races 03:10:21 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:12:17 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:20:38 A sensed monster. 03:20:38 A hostile monster whose presence has been detected. 03:20:38 03:20:38 Max HP: about 1 03:20:38 AC 03:20:40 EV 03:20:43 MR 03:24:46 Stable (0.19) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19.0-26-g9e9c210 03:25:20 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:28:41 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:33:15 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 03:35:29 LostInTranslocation (L26 DsMo) (Zot:4) 03:37:00 -!- Idolo has quit [] 03:39:25 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-187-ge5586d949a (34) 03:50:51 haha 03:51:29 chequers: funny, but you should you really expect any more detail, unless it's ash? 03:58:13 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:35 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 04:09:08 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:12:08 !tell Brannock I updated the forum thread with some of the incoming changes to the god, some based on what you proposed, if you want to take a look. 04:12:09 SteelNeuron: You have 6 messages. Use !messages to read them. 04:12:09 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let brannock know. 04:12:12 !messages 04:12:13 (1/6) MarvinPA said (17h 3m 13s ago): 15816. Djon, XL10 HOFi, T:5564 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Djon/crash-Djon-20161122-160045.txt 04:12:20 !messages 04:12:20 (1/5) ontoclasm said (9h 11m 15s ago): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/i_project.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/i_recall.png 04:13:20 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:13:58 !messages 04:13:59 (1/4) |amethyst said (5h 53m 41s ago): whirlwind attack crashes when a later target dies earlier in the attack, see !crashlog cerealjynx explbr=councilgod 1 (ironheart preserver I think) and !crashlog SharpStick explbr=councilgod 1 (rakshasa) 04:15:52 !messages 04:15:52 (1/3) |amethyst said (5h 54m 40s ago): inside that for loop in _ieoh_jian_whirlwind you need to have an if (mons->alive()) 04:16:28 !messages 04:16:28 (1/2) |amethyst said (5h 52m ago): and in general whenever you're making a list of monsters then iterating over the list doing something that might affect game state, you have to worry about whether that can kill the monster or make it leave the level, and if so check for liveness before processing each monster. 04:16:42 !messages 04:16:42 (1/1) gammafunk said (2h 33m 19s ago): see !crash lostintranslocation for a crash with councilgod and what appears to be a reaction from sword of power 04:16:53 !crash lostintranslocation 04:16:54 14. LostInTranslocation, XL26 DsMo, T:74295 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/LostInTranslocation/crash-LostInTranslocation-20161123-083518.txt 04:17:38 !messages 04:17:38 No messages for SteelNeuron. 04:18:28 !tell amethyst thanks for the pointers on liveness check, will work on it 04:18:28 Sorry SteelNeuron, I don't know who amethyst is. 04:18:37 !tell |amethyst thanks for the pointers on liveness check, will work on it 04:18:38 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 04:18:55 !tell ontoclasm thanks!! That's fantastic. Will get the tile on the next god patch 04:18:55 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 04:34:24 -!- aegolden has quit [Quit: aegolden] 04:35:08 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 04:45:46 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 04:56:06 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 05:28:28 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/387 * 0.20-a0-200-g53af9f9: Fix pointer invalidation crash on multiple target martial attacks 10(in the future, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/53af9f917631 05:28:29 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/408 * 0.20-a0-200-g53af9f9: Fix pointer invalidation crash on multiple target martial attacks 10(in the future, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/53af9f917631 05:28:30 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.19] * 0.19.0-27-gd501a8f: Update the changelog for the 0.19.1 bugfix release 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d501a8f71427 05:28:30 03PleasingFungus02 {gammafunk} 07[stone_soup-0.19] * 0.19.0-28-gbbb4869: Let people know about the survey 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bbb48694f4ac 05:28:30 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.19] * 0.19.0-29-gd9ab002: Colorize the entire survey message 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d9ab002a8e80 05:28:30 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.19] * 0.19.0-30-g4efbe43: Update the debian changelog for 0.19.0 and 0.19.1 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4efbe43a2758 05:29:15 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 05:30:15 -!- broquaint has joined ##crawl-dev 05:33:13 -!- muravey has quit [Client Quit] 05:39:17 esc (L14 CeFi) (Orc:2) 05:39:59 ^ a councilgod related crash, i think 05:42:10 !crash esc 05:42:11 5. esc, XL14 CeFi, T:28157 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/esc/crash-esc-20161123-103907.txt 05:43:00 seems so 05:43:10 i'm using firestarter 05:43:30 escu: you can !tell (just ping) SteelNeuron about those 05:43:41 that's the contribute that made the god 05:43:59 alright 05:46:29 %git stone_soup-0.19 05:46:29 07gammafunk02 * 0.19.1: Update the debian changelog for 0.19.0 and 0.19.1 10(32 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4efbe43a2758 05:47:20 !tell steelneuron a councilgod related crash: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/esc/crash-esc-20161123-103907.txt, i was using firestarter and killing some orcs. i think the explosions are causing some weird interaction with the flowing blade attacks? 05:47:21 escu: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 05:48:56 escu: Yeah this is a known bug at the moment, I've just pushed a fix 05:48:57 SteelNeuron: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 05:49:10 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:49:35 it will need to be merged on the experimental branch and be picked up by CBRO. Martial attacks crash if something dies before you attack it, by some external effect 05:49:43