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03:01:05 <bgiannan> What's the syntax of formatted_string ? is there a way to define the background color of the text ?
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03:26:29 <ProzacElf> why is amulet of 4 winds always valued at about the same as a plain MR ring in shops?
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03:36:14 <gammafunk> !lg . drck
03:36:15 <Sequell> 1. gammafunk the Slayer (L26 DrCK of Xom), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-11-20 06:19:25, with 1522925 points after 86989 turns and 9:36:54.
03:36:21 <gammafunk> nice, that was oneandwon at least
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04:38:11 <gammafunk> !nchoice
04:38:16 <Sequell> KoTm: 0 wins || stickyfingers: CXC, L9 Martial Artist of Yredelemnul || CALLOUS: CUE, L5 Ducker of No God
04:38:22 <gammafunk> !kw nchoice
04:38:23 <Sequell> Keyword: nchoice => OpWr|HEAr|KoIE|DDAE|CeVM|HOWz|GrEn|GhCj|FeAK|VSSu|DEHu|VpAK|HaSu|TeAM|SpMo|FoCj|MfEE|TrVM|DDSk|HaFE|VSAM|HOTm|GhBe|SpAE|DECK|DDIE|TeAK|VpEE|FoNe|KoTm
04:42:34 <rchandra> is it known who does the tournament writeup this year?
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05:01:58 <gammafunk> probably Brannock
05:02:55 <gammafunk> I'm sure he'll look over the previous one (or ones) to get a sense of how they're done and also be receptive to feedback
05:02:58 <gammafunk> if you have suggestions
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05:30:23 <rchandra> thanks, gammafunk
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06:57:51 <gammafunk> !tstats 16
06:58:47 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t): 3129 players, 995 runers, 515 winners, 1384 wins, 77731 games, winrate 1.78%, total player time 4y+90d+13:57:08.
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07:57:13 <Tux[Qyou]> Vp hunger table says torment resistance, not immunity
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08:09:01 <Dracunos> Thanks, o-gamma..
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08:15:44 <Lantell> Stable (0.19) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19.0-24-gb05acd6
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11:11:42 <PleasingFungus> !tell bgiannan please stop asking questions repeatedly if you're not going to read the answers even once... :(
11:11:42 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
11:11:42 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let bgiannan know.
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11:20:47 <Brannock> !time
11:20:47 <Sequell> Brannock: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
11:20:47 <Sequell> Time: Nov 20, 2016, 04:20:47 PM, UTC. The 2016 0.19 tournament ends in 3 hours, 39 minutes and 12 seconds.
11:20:54 <Brannock> !nchoice
11:20:58 <Sequell> KoTm: 0 wins || Kellhus: CDO, L21 Devastator of Vehumet || Sar: CXC, L9 Ducker of Makhleb || stickyfingers: CXC, L8 Martial Artist of Yredelemnul || Grimm: CAO, L6 Insei of No God
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11:21:48 <PleasingFungus> there's no time...
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11:22:59 <Brannock> ??hyper
11:22:59 <Sequell> hyper[1/1]: Prepended to the names of accounts which are only allowed to play combos chosen at random, and which must play the first random combo given each time. The practice of naming accounts hyper to indicate this only began in early 2011, so older accounts with names beginning with hyper are not part of this; see !nick hyperimposters.
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12:02:19 <Henzell> Stable (0.19) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19.0-24-gb05acd6
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12:21:44 <Brannock> !tstats
12:22:40 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t): 3150 players, 1005 runers, 523 winners, 1404 wins, 78807 games, winrate 1.78%, total player time 4y+112d+2:00:04.
12:23:59 <Brannock> 3150!
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12:46:23 <Dracunos> Oh no...
12:46:34 <Dracunos> PF.. Has voice again, everyone watch out
12:47:06 <PleasingFungus> ???
12:47:31 <Dracunos> +v
12:47:54 <Dracunos> Wait, so I saw a branch open a while back called.. nemenem or something.. Is that yet another nem revamp? :D
12:48:39 <geekosaur> another crawl release, another nem revamp on tap...
12:48:44 <geekosaur> completely normal :p
12:48:57 <Dracunos> Let's do ely and sif again, too
12:52:01 <PleasingFungus> just some minor tweaks honestly
12:52:07 <PleasingFungus> to stuff i'd noticed during my ~~last win~~
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12:52:28 <PleasingFungus> e.g. 'pain card level 2 is worse than level 1'
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13:14:06 <MarvinPA_> !source player.cc:6815
13:14:07 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#L6815
13:14:10 <MarvinPA_> very good comment here
13:14:18 <PleasingFungus> lol;
13:14:19 <MarvinPA_> in that it was basically just weird nonsense even when it was relevant
13:14:22 <PleasingFungus> i love old crawl realism
13:14:35 <MarvinPA_> but now it's both weird nonsense and doesn't match the code anyway
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13:15:44 <Cheibriados> Undesirable (?) summon AI behavior 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10792 by Sar
13:15:52 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-82-g930d327: Clean up obsolete stasis code, clarify Formicid messaging 10(15 hours ago, 22 files, 61+ 103-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/930d32759bce
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13:22:16 <PleasingFungus> i wonder if an artefact with stasis could be fun
13:22:29 <PleasingFungus> -tele exists, i guess...
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13:26:17 <agolden> PleasingFungus: re: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6e69d53a0fe8342ec496642a580e27cd7f94f9c7, are you building directly against the 10.8 SDK?  When I build with Xcode 8.1 against the 10.12 SDK, but *targetting* 10.8 (-mmacosx-version-min=10.8) I see an error because the compiler can’t find the cinttypes header.
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13:26:38 <PleasingFungus> agolden: i'm not building anything; you'd have to ask geekosaur.
13:26:55 <PleasingFungus> but i believe he is building the 10.8 SDK, yes
13:26:58 <PleasingFungus> targeting even earlier versions?
13:27:02 <geekosaur> agolden, you can't build for 10.8 from 10.12
13:27:24 <geekosaur> unfortunately, because apple changed the way the SDKs work, Xcode 8 can't tell this and produces nonsense
13:27:46 <agolden> geekosaur: you mean it will claim that it built OK but the binary won’t work?
13:27:47 * geekosaur is building on 10.8 for 10.7 nd later
13:28:05 <geekosaur> no, you get things like that missing header because it's not actually building for 10.8 even though it thinks it is
13:28:11 <agolden> oh
13:28:17 <agolden> I was going to say you can fix that missing header thing
13:28:19 <geekosaur> because many files that were part of 10.8's SDK are not there
13:28:29 <agolden> cinttypes
13:28:47 <geekosaur> also including things that were removed after 10.8 like the quicktime framework
13:28:48 <agolden> if you build against clang’s libc++ instead of gcc’s libstdc++ or whatever it’s called
13:29:22 <agolden> that makes the build complete, though I wouldn’t be able to confirm that the build *works* since I don’t have a 10.8 mahine.
13:29:22 <geekosaur> also, my builds do specifically use libc++, that is a large part of the point (and also why it won't work before 10.7)
13:29:42 <geekosaur> huh. so maybe apple is finally doing something about the mess they created
13:29:58 <geekosaur> older xcode could only build for one prior OS X version
13:30:37 <geekosaur> and had distinct SDKs for each version. xcode 8 ships a single unversioned SDK, and it already has problems that you will probably find at runtime
13:31:11 <geekosaur> (notably, it will happily build for 10.11 but the programs will abort when run because they call clock_gettime which doesn't exist on any OS X version before 10.12. this is *also* true for xcode 8 on 10.11!)
13:31:46 <agolden> geekosaur: does that happen even if you pass --mmacosx-version-min=10.11 (say) when building using Xcode 8’s unversioned SDK?
13:31:50 <geekosaur> yes
13:32:00 <agolden> gah, that sucks
13:32:07 <geekosaur> poke aroudn with a search engine, a LOT of people are running headlong intot hat one
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13:32:37 <geekosaur> and there is a misleading comment in their release notes about it (incorrectly implying this is only a problem with Swift)
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13:41:21 <agolden> geekosaur: so do you actually need to keep around a whole 10.8 machine or just a copy of Xcode 7 (6?)?
13:43:34 <geekosaur> I use VMs
13:44:22 <geekosaur> the GUI is a bit cranky in vmware and extremely cranky in virtualbox, but command line / ssh works fine back to 10.8 (and reportedly 10.7 but apple makes finding an actual install image for that quite hard)
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13:44:39 <agolden> right
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13:55:24 <Rast> !lg * t place=zot x=cdist(name)
13:55:25 <Sequell> 241 games for * (t place=zot): cdist(name)=196
13:55:30 <Rast> !lg * t won x=cdist(name)
13:55:32 <Sequell> 1419 games for * (t won): cdist(name)=526
13:55:49 <Rast> I think you guys have made the late game too hard
13:56:42 <Rast> !lg * nrune>=3 t x=cdist(name)
13:56:43 <Sequell> 2089 games for * (nrune>=3 t): cdist(name)=717
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14:12:17 <Brannock> !lg * t urune>5 / won
14:12:19 <Sequell> 413/550 games for * (t urune>5): N=413/550 (75.09%)
14:12:21 <Brannock> !lg * t0.18 urune>5 / won
14:12:22 <Sequell> 380/532 games for * (t0.18 urune>5): N=380/532 (71.43%)
14:12:39 <Brannock> !lg * t0.17 urune>5 / won
14:12:40 <Sequell> 451/609 games for * (t0.17 urune>5): N=451/609 (74.06%)
14:14:00 <Rast> Brannock, my argument isnt so much win% on a per game basis
14:14:00 <Sequell> Rast: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
14:14:17 <Rast> as you have this huge chunk of players who get the three runes but dont win
14:14:23 <Rast> and that's their best game
14:14:28 <Rast> !messages
14:14:29 <Sequell> (1/1) regret-index said (7m 7s ago): outside of some other devs making ushabti absolutely spam miasma, I think an even harder extended made shorter with the roulette at least gives it some degree of purpose beyond being a build-tailored glacial slog.
14:14:36 <PleasingFungus> is this specifically a concern about zot?
14:14:37 <Brannock> !lg * t urune=3 / won !goodplayers
14:14:37 <Sequell> No keyword 'goodplayers'
14:14:41 <PleasingFungus> that's what it sounds like, to me
14:14:42 <Brannock> !lg * t urune=3 / won
14:14:43 <Sequell> 753/1102 games for * (t urune=3): N=753/1102 (68.33%)
14:14:59 <Rast> PleasingFungus, zot is the big one but also other annoyances like stacking corrosion
14:15:00 <PleasingFungus> !lg @goodplayers t urune=3 / won
14:15:03 <Sequell> 469/591 games for @goodplayers (t urune=3): N=469/591 (79.36%)
14:15:45 <Rast> shorter branches mean less xp by the time you arrive
14:16:00 <Brannock> depths is packed full of xp
14:16:05 <PleasingFungus> i mean
14:16:10 <PleasingFungus> having played a bunch of 3-rune games lately
14:16:13 <Rast> depths is super nasty these days
14:16:17 <PleasingFungus> i definitely felt like zot was a lot nastier than it was used to be
14:16:19 <PleasingFungus> depths less so
14:16:20 <Rast> !gamesby PleasingFungus
14:16:21 <Sequell> PleasingFungus has played 494 games, between 2013-11-22 22:41:11 and 2016-11-20 01:57:48, won 43 (8.7%), high score 23422719, total score 231453657, total turns 7885995, play-time/day 0:40:08, total time 30d+12:35:17.
14:16:34 <PleasingFungus> *than it used to be, or *than it was, possibly
14:16:46 <Rast> the tele delay is the worst
14:16:58 <Rast> the blink nerf is nasty too
14:17:00 <PleasingFungus> yes
14:17:10 <PleasingFungus> it's spooky as heck
14:17:18 <PleasingFungus> the Real Pros say they just dig more killholes
14:17:31 <PleasingFungus> sadly i am not a pro...
14:17:44 <Rast> vamp weapon gets better obviously
14:17:49 <Rast> axes get better
14:17:51 <Rast> etc
14:18:16 <Rast> oh, and the drac shifters can still do their crap with impunity
14:19:00 <Brannock> imho zot is in a great spot difficulty-wise now
14:19:08 <Brannock> I wouldn't want to make it harder than it is
14:19:23 <PleasingFungus> ?/cheat
14:19:24 <Sequell> Matching terms (3): !help:!next-cheat, cheating, lolcheatin; entries (14): !help:!next[1] | !help:!next-cheat[1] | bat_challenge[2] | crate[4] | faze[2] | green_draconian[1] | monsters[3] | reaching[1] | smeagolrobin[1] | spriggan_berserker[1] | test_spawner[3] | what_character[1] | xomscumming[1] | zermako[13]
14:19:26 <Rast> !lg * t place=zot
14:19:27 <Sequell> 242. syranez the Axe Maniac (L27 HOBe of Trog), blasted by an orb of fire (bolt of fire) on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2016-11-20 19:06:08, with 667028 points after 79627 turns and 4:41:55.
14:19:31 <Brannock> almost every monster (certain draconian classes aside) is threatening in a specific way
14:19:31 <PleasingFungus> ??monsters[3
14:19:32 <Sequell> monsters[3/4]: dirty cheaters
14:19:33 <Rast> !lg * t place=zot:5
14:19:34 <Sequell> 149. syranez the Axe Maniac (L27 HOBe of Trog), blasted by an orb of fire (bolt of fire) on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2016-11-20 19:06:08, with 667028 points after 79627 turns and 4:41:55.
14:19:53 <|amethyst> !lg * t place=zot:5 -2
14:19:55 <Sequell> 148/149. damiac the Wrestler (L27 TrHu of Uskayaw), blasted by a lich (crystal spear) (led by Becro) on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2016-11-20 18:45:05, with 631575 points after 50449 turns and 3:55:26.
14:19:57 <Rast> 150 zot:5 deaths, 90 more in zot:1-4
14:20:09 <Brannock> I frequently get a 4th or 5th rune before doing zot, so maybe that's skewing my perspective of its difficulty, from having the additional xp and loot
14:20:16 <Brannock> as well as elf/crypt
14:20:22 <Rast> !gamesby Brannock
14:20:23 <Sequell> Brannock has played 1734 games, between 2007-07-12 18:41:39 and 2016-11-18 20:06:55, won 89 (5.1%), high score 21469713, total score 320140086, total turns 15326767, play-time/day 0:16:21, total time 38d+19:42:38.
14:20:42 <Rast> so you're in the top few percent of crawl players, maybe that skews your pwerspective too. idk
14:21:04 <Brannock> believe me when I say I'm very sympathetic towards the newbies and don't want to make winning actually any harder
14:21:20 <Brannock> that said, I don't like it when the point where the rest of hte game becomes a formality comes too early in a run
14:22:10 <Rast> too many of the "threatening" new monsters can be solved by (1) not tabbing into them mindlessly and (2) running away and 5ing
14:22:29 <PleasingFungus> like which?
14:22:39 <Rast> corrosion guy
14:22:43 <PleasingFungus> knew it
14:22:52 <PleasingFungus> also that's ambiguous :) but you mean entropy weavers
14:22:59 <Brannock> entropy weavers aren't a lategame monster...
14:23:05 <Brannock> they show up sometimes in Depths I guess
14:23:25 <PleasingFungus> he didn't say lategame!
14:23:31 <agolden> in my very humble experience as a *not* good player, the most frustrating difficulty spike is getting that third rune.
14:23:38 <Rast> i meant lategame, though they make spider annoying
14:24:02 <agolden> like, if I’m in a posiiton to get one rune I can definitely get two, and then three is dicey, but if I can get three then Zot isn’t so scary.
14:24:22 <Brannock> !lg * urune=2 t
14:24:23 <Sequell> 790. Ultraviolent4 the Executioner (L19 DDGl of Makhleb), slain by a tentacled monstrosity on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault) on 2016-11-20 18:42:59, with 266252 points after 21277 turns and 0:39:34.
14:24:24 <Rast> agolden, have you played new zot much?
14:24:31 <Brannock> 790 deaths with 2 runes? impressive
14:24:45 <rchandra> !lg . urune=2 t
14:24:45 <Sequell> No games for rchandra (urune=2 t).
14:24:54 <rchandra> !lg . urune>2 t !won
14:24:55 <Sequell> 2. hyperrchandra the Unforgettable (L24 DrNe of Hepliaklqana), mangled by a deep troll on Depths:2 on 2016-11-13 21:56:33, with 548178 points after 70236 turns and 6:50:44.
14:24:55 <agolden> last one was 0.19
14:24:57 <agolden> is that new?
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14:25:00 <PleasingFungus> !lg * t0.18 / urune=2
14:25:03 <PleasingFungus> !lg * t / urune=2
14:25:07 <agolden> or are you talking about trunk?
14:25:09 <Sequell> 758/75764 games for * (t0.18): N=758/75764 (1.00%)
14:25:10 <Sequell> 790/85933 games for * (t): N=790/85933 (0.92%)
14:25:23 <Rast> agolden, i mean with the nerfed tele and blinking
14:25:25 <Brannock> I think the third rune being a climax and depths/zot being a denouement (with another brief spike in Z:$) is a good arc for a basic victory
14:25:28 <PleasingFungus> !lg * t0.19 / urune=2
14:25:30 <Sequell> 790/85933 games for * (t0.19): N=790/85933 (0.92%)
14:25:50 <PleasingFungus> Brannock: but, zot isn't a denoument
14:25:54 <PleasingFungus> it's fuckin rude as heck rn
14:25:59 <PleasingFungus> depths isn't really that easy either
14:26:06 <agolden> Rast: but I don’t know when those were nerfed
14:26:12 <rchandra> I dive zot more than I used to these days
14:26:19 <PleasingFungus> !lg * t0.17 / urune=2
14:26:26 <Sequell> 819/87997 games for * (t0.17): N=819/87997 (0.93%)
14:26:27 <Rast> agolden, I think in the current version
14:26:37 <Rast> stable
14:26:54 <PleasingFungus> fwiw, doesn't look like moer people are dying with two runes
14:26:56 <PleasingFungus> *more
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14:35:02 <|amethyst> five combos have not reached XL 9 in the tournament yet
14:35:05 <|amethyst> !time
14:35:05 <Sequell> Time: Nov 20, 2016, 07:35:05 PM, UTC. The 2016 0.19 tournament ends in 24 minutes and 54 seconds.
14:35:42 <|amethyst> DEAr DEWr VpWr DEAM HaAE, get cracking!
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14:36:19 <|amethyst> !lg * won t min=xl
14:36:20 <Sequell> 1425. pedritolo the Unseen (L15 SpEn of Ashenzari), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-11-20 18:23:08, with 2181500 points after 31540 turns and 3:05:43.
14:36:29 <Brannock> !tstats
14:36:43 <twelwe> i can`t believe its really over
14:37:27 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t): 3160 players, 1011 runers, 528 winners, 1420 wins, 79338 games, winrate 1.79%, total player time 4y+125d+21:24:34.
14:37:39 <|amethyst> I accidentally got Speed Demon II, neat
14:37:40 <rchandra> |amethyst: quick hs snipe options!
14:38:32 <Brannock> !tstats 16 t0.18
14:39:35 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t0.18): 2759 players, 913 runers, 479 winners, 1358 wins, 68718 games, winrate 1.98%, total player time 4y+49d+1:09:53.
14:39:43 <Brannock> four hundred new players
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14:41:25 <PleasingFungus> well, some returning, tbf
14:41:43 <|amethyst> and some of those are probably bots or novelty alts
14:42:13 <PleasingFungus> well, i wouldn't expect too many of those.
14:42:24 <Lightli> !time
14:42:24 <Sequell> Time: Nov 20, 2016, 07:42:24 PM, UTC. The 2016 0.19 tournament ends in 17 minutes and 35 seconds.
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14:44:39 <Brannock> huh, that can't be right
14:44:44 <Brannock> taildb.py has 769 hours of uptime
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14:45:01 <Brannock> that's over a month long
14:45:11 <|amethyst> are there two copies running?
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14:45:31 <|amethyst> 769 hours is just over 32 days, which is twice as long as the tournament
14:45:33 <Brannock> I only see one when running ps x | grep taildb
14:45:56 <Brannock> also, we had to reset it and rebuild partway through the tournament
14:46:02 <|amethyst> huh
14:46:12 <Brannock> two Thursdays ago I think
14:46:55 <|amethyst> Tuesday it looks like
14:47:00 <|amethyst> tourney  25383  4.5  0.4  90452 34052 ?        Ss   Nov08 769:17 python taildb.py
14:47:08 <|amethyst> hm
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14:47:46 <|amethyst> Brannock:  oh, that's 769 hours and 17 minutes
14:47:49 <agolden> I just started a 0.19 game on COA and tab consistently says “Failed ot move towards target."
14:47:49 <|amethyst> Brannock:  of CPU time
14:47:51 <agolden> that’s pretty weird
14:48:09 <agolden> when I’m adjacent to my target
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14:49:02 <|amethyst> Brannock:  err, sorry, 769 minutes and 17 seconds
14:49:22 <|amethyst> Brannock:  so it's used ~13 hours of CPU time in the last 12 days
14:49:27 <Brannock> oh I see
14:50:16 <|amethyst> agolden:  hm, weird
14:50:21 <|amethyst> !rc aegolden
14:50:22 <Sequell> http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/aegolden.rc
14:50:25 <hyperbolic> agolden: what is the monster that you were adjacent to?
14:50:37 <hyperbolic> I see
14:50:39 <hyperbolic> (watching)
14:50:43 <hyperbolic> that is strange
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14:50:52 <agolden> isn’t it?
14:51:01 <agolden> didn’t see this with plenty of previous 0.19 games
14:51:20 <hyperbolic> |amethyst: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-0.19/aegolden.rc
14:51:23 <agolden> maybe it’s this specific race/class cobo?
14:51:25 <|amethyst> doh
14:51:26 <agolden> combo
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14:51:54 <|amethyst> have you been using automagic the whole tournament?
14:51:54 <hyperbolic> could be something with automagic maybe
14:52:00 <hyperbolic> + skald spells
14:52:04 <agolden> oooh, yea
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14:52:21 <hyperbolic> I don't actually remember what automagic_fight does
14:52:33 <agolden> I’ve been using automagic, but never automagic + something with no direct damage spells
14:52:36 <hyperbolic> ??options_guide
14:52:36 <Sequell> rcfile[1/4]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt
14:53:17 <hyperbolic> agolden: try moving spells off of slot 'a'
14:53:32 <hyperbolic> and see if that fixes it
14:53:45 <agolden> yep, that did it
14:53:47 <minmay> is it possible to get sequell to list anything about god.worship milestones without exceeding the 90s limit
14:54:09 <hyperbolic> maybe still a bug, I'm not sure what automagic behavior is supposed to be when a non-targeted spell is on the given slot
14:54:14 <agolden> lol, and I’m dead
14:54:23 <agolden> maybe not allow me to tab is a *feature*
14:54:26 <|amethyst> hyperbolic:  ah, yes, I get that message when I have infusion on 'a', even without automagic_fight
14:54:26 <hyperbolic> !lm * god.worship
14:54:27 <Sequell> 1358945. [2016-11-20 19:51:46] HoCheiMinh the Chopper (L6 HOFi of Cheibriados) became a worshipper of Cheibriados on turn 2719. (Temple)
14:54:42 <hyperbolic> minmay: ^
14:54:59 <hyperbolic> but seriously sequell hits the 90s limit a ton nowadays, even for queries that used to finish in 10s
14:55:09 <minmay> okay, for some reason it's finishing within a few seconds now
14:55:22 <minmay> I tried !lm * recent god.worship s=god and it hit the limit
14:56:08 <hyperbolic> maybe just lots more people are using sequell or something? I don't know how it handles receiving multiple queries at once
14:56:10 <SteelNeuron> What was the win rate for the past tournament?
14:56:15 <SteelNeuron> I wasn't around for it so I can't compare
14:56:19 <Brannock> http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-18-tournament-results#comment-2517 This comment as well as #5 are amusing me
14:56:31 <Brannock> SteelNeuron, 0.18 had a 1.9% winrate and 0.17 had about 1.8%?
14:56:50 <hyperbolic> !tstats
14:56:53 <Lightli> !time
14:56:53 <Sequell> Time: Nov 20, 2016, 07:56:53 PM, UTC. The 2016 0.19 tournament ends in 3 minutes and 6 seconds.
14:56:54 <hyperbolic> !tstats 16 t0.18
14:56:56 <Lightli> oh wow
14:56:57 <hyperbolic> !tstats 16 t0.17
14:57:04 <Lightli> is there going to be a big commit drop once the tournament ends
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14:57:13 <PleasingFungus> nope
14:57:16 <PleasingFungus> we're done committing.
14:57:17 <PleasingFungus> crawl is finished
14:57:19 <Brannock> crawl is finished.
14:57:19 <Lightli> rip crawl
14:57:24 <PleasingFungus> Brannock: !
14:57:31 <PleasingFungus> o/
14:57:35 <Brannock> \o
14:57:47 <PleasingFungus> !time
14:57:47 <Brannock> Lightli, there's a bunch of stuff in the pipeline that should hit over the coming week
14:57:47 <Sequell> Time: Nov 20, 2016, 07:57:47 PM, UTC. The 2016 0.19 tournament ends in 2 minutes and 12 seconds.
14:57:52 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t): 3161 players, 1013 runers, 528 winners, 1423 wins, 79421 games, winrate 1.79%, total player time 4y+128d+18:24:20.
14:57:53 <PleasingFungus> !lm * orb alive
14:58:13 <SteelNeuron> thanks Brannock
14:58:16 <Lightli> didn't have much time to play in the tournament this time sadly
14:58:27 <Lightli> maybe the .20 tournament
14:58:30 <Sequell> 10. [2016-11-20 19:45:31] puimuR the Conqueror (L27 HOMo of The Shining One) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5)
14:58:37 <Brannock> ten orb runners
14:58:39 <Brannock> exciting!
14:58:54 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t0.18): 2759 players, 913 runers, 479 winners, 1358 wins, 68718 games, winrate 1.98%, total player time 4y+49d+1:09:53.
14:59:37 <|amethyst> hyperbolic:  re that automagic bug, get_monster_info sees that the monster is out of range so sets info.attack_type = 2
14:59:45 <|amethyst> hyperbolic:  (because infusion has a range of 0)
14:59:56 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t0.17): 2835 players, 993 runers, 533 winners, 1400 wins, 74048 games, winrate 1.89%, total player time 4y+242d+18:06:16.
14:59:57 <hyperbolic> yeah I figured it was something like that
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15:00:52 <hyperbolic> so winrate has gone 1.89% -> 1.98% -> 1.79% in recent tourneys
15:01:10 <Brannock> lots of 9s
15:01:22 <Lightli> !time
15:01:23 <Sequell> Time: Nov 20, 2016, 08:01:22 PM, UTC.
15:01:27 <Lightli> rip tournament
15:01:34 <Brannock> ah, time to wait for the final scripts update
15:01:37 <Brannock> then the processes will be killed
15:01:43 <Lightli> so 0.19 was a nerf version confirmed
15:02:04 <hyperbolic> Brannock: you should wait for the second script update after tourney end, not just the first
15:02:15 <hyperbolic> since the first might have last fetched milestones before tourney ended
15:02:20 <Brannock> good catch
15:02:21 <rchandra> !tstats 8 0.16
15:02:39 <Sequell> Stats after 8 days (0.16): 1919 players, 792 runers, 436 winners, 890 wins, 21977 games, winrate 4.05%, total player time 2y+74d+9:29:47.
15:02:59 <rchandra> rip melee :)
15:04:03 <|amethyst> there should be a prize for getting a number of clan points that is an exact multiple of 100
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15:05:01 <Brannock> !lg * kotm won t
15:05:13 <Sequell> No games for * (kotm won t).
15:05:19 <Brannock> the final nemelex's choice
15:05:22 <Brannock> was too much
15:06:06 <rchandra> thanks for a fine tournament as always, devs!
15:06:32 <rchandra> fr: make me not do dumb things
15:07:18 <Brannock> " Without any special effort made to promote the game, you can expect a downward trend in player base. You can see this trend between .16 and .17 as well, in spite of .17 being a better release."
15:07:28 <Brannock> "Surprise surprise, player count is down across the board while winrate is up. More proof this game is getting worse and worse with all the “streamlining” over the past several iterations."
15:07:34 <Brannock> http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-18-tournament-results#comment-2517
15:08:00 <|amethyst> !lg * t0.18
15:08:02 <|amethyst> !lg * t0.17
15:08:04 <Sequell> 75764. Dracunos the Skirmisher (L1 MuAK of Lugonu), slain by a dart slug on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_stonehenge_8_columns) on 2016-05-22 19:59:52, with 0 points after 36 turns and 0:01:29.
15:08:08 <Sequell> 87997. foulmouthboy the Insei (L2 VpMo), slain by Crazy Yiuf (a +4 quarterstaff of chaos) on D:3 (uniq_crazy_yiuf_cottage) on 2015-11-22 19:59:52, with 14 points after 403 turns and 0:06:27.
15:08:27 <rchandra> !lg * t
15:08:28 <Sequell> 86080. razzle the Chopper (L3 MiBe of Trog), blasted by Sigmund (magic dart) on D:2 on 2016-11-20 19:59:44, with 63 points after 775 turns and 0:00:48.
15:08:39 <Brannock> the final death is Sigmund?
15:08:41 <Brannock> very good.
15:09:01 <|amethyst> does sequell have all the servers now?
15:09:12 <Brannock> yes
15:09:12 <|amethyst> !lg * t 1
15:09:13 <Sequell> 1/86080. Ultraviolent4 the Shield-Bearer (L3 FoFi), mangled by an ogre (a +0 giant spiked club) on D:4 on 2016-11-04 20:01:13, with 47 points after 1081 turns and 0:01:05.
15:09:33 <|amethyst> it begins with an ogre, and ends with Sigmund
15:09:42 <|amethyst> !lg * t0.18 1
15:09:49 <Sequell> 1/75764. jerkstore the Sneak (L1 HuWn), quit the game on D:1 (minmay_arrival_shoal_huts) on 2016-05-06 20:00:20, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:00.
15:10:06 <|amethyst> 0.18 begins with a quit and ends with a dart slug
15:10:08 <|amethyst> !lg * t0.17 1
15:10:15 <Sequell> 1/87997. squiggly the Magician (L1 HEWz), slain by a jackal on D:1 on 2015-11-06 20:00:57, with 2 points after 50 turns and 0:00:24.
15:10:21 <|amethyst> 0.17 begins with a jackal and ends with Yiuf
15:10:45 <PleasingFungus> i approve of dart slugs
15:12:52 <minmay> j
15:13:00 <|amethyst> no, w
15:13:07 <twelwe> i would have quit that game too
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15:13:20 <|amethyst> !lg * t0.18 1 -log
15:13:26 <Sequell> 1/75764. jerkstore, XL1 HuWn, T:0: https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/morgue/jerkstore/morgue-jerkstore-20160506-200020.txt
15:13:51 <Brannock> rchandra, is SnackFlakAttack the player's full nick?
15:14:59 <rchandra> hypersnackflakattack for hyper, just snack for normal
15:15:41 <Brannock> so rchandra, MorganLeah, Snack, WalkerBoh, Kramin, and Lasty?
15:16:31 <rchandra> yeah
15:16:38 <rchandra> also:
15:16:48 <Brannock> hmm, how do I link to a learndb entry?
15:16:49 <rchandra> !lg elliptic|walkerboh hyper t / won
15:16:50 <Sequell> No games for elliptic|walkerboh (hyper t).
15:17:05 <rchandra> !lg @elliptic|@walkerboh hyper tall / won
15:17:06 <Sequell> 25/38 games for * (((@elliptic || @walkerboh)) hyper tall): N=25/38 (65.79%)
15:17:18 <rchandra> !lg @elliptic|@walkerboh hyper tall s=name / won
15:17:19 <Sequell> 25/38 games for * (((@elliptic || @walkerboh)) hyper tall): 13/20x hyperelliptic [65.00%], 12/18x hyperboh [66.67%]
15:17:28 <PleasingFungus> Brannock: i use https://crawl.develz.org/learndb/#monsters
15:17:32 <PleasingFungus> but you can't link to a specific entry
15:17:44 <Brannock> I wanted to link to the hyper entry to define it
15:17:50 <Brannock> for players who may not be familiar with the term
15:18:07 <PleasingFungus> that should work
15:18:23 <Brannock> it does
15:18:41 <|amethyst> !lg * t killer=orc_wizard min=turn
15:18:43 <Sequell> 2264. Spectrina the Shield-Bearer (L1 VSFi), slain by an orc wizard (a +0 dagger of electrocution) on D:2 on 2016-11-16 18:30:58, with 0 points after 44 turns and 0:00:23.
15:18:56 <|amethyst> !lg * t0.18 killer=orc_wizard min=turn
15:18:58 <Sequell> 2251. Fusentrap the Firebug (L1 GrFE), blasted by an orc wizard (magic dart) on D:3 on 2016-05-20 18:28:30, with 3 points after 115 turns and 0:01:30.
15:19:18 <minmay> <PleasingFungus> but you can't link to a specific entry
15:19:19 <|amethyst> !lg * recent killer=orc_wizard min=turn
15:19:30 <Sequell> 45355. Eron the Shield-Bearer (L1 FoFi), blasted by an orc wizard (magic dart) on D:4 on 2015-11-28 11:00:05, with 0 points after 13 turns and 0:00:13.
15:19:30 <minmay> http://lookupdb.guy.ht/#term/monsters
15:19:54 <PleasingFungus> by "specific entry" i mean monsters[3] or w/e
15:20:08 <PleasingFungus> the thing i linked to also goes to monsters...
15:20:19 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  sure you can
15:20:22 <minmay> oh
15:20:24 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/learndb/#monsters[3]
15:20:42 <minmay> https://crawl.develz.org/learndb/#monsters[3]
15:20:47 <PleasingFungus> huh, weird
15:20:55 <PleasingFungus> i can't click that link, but copying it does work
15:21:03 <PleasingFungus> who knew
15:21:47 <|amethyst> you can probably click on this one:  https://crawl.develz.org/learndb/#monsters%5b3%5d
15:22:21 <Brannock> !lg * t killer~~falling_down_stairs
15:22:23 <Sequell> No games for * (t killer~~falling_down_stairs).
15:22:31 <Brannock> hmm, is the kills page lying to me?
15:22:34 <Brannock> http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.19/killers.html
15:22:37 <|amethyst> !lg * t killer~~falling_down
15:22:38 <Sequell> No games for * (t killer~~falling_down).
15:22:54 <rchandra> !lg * t vmsg~~falling_down
15:22:56 <Sequell> No games for * (t vmsg~~falling_down).
15:22:59 <|amethyst> !lg luneth t s=killer
15:23:00 <Sequell> 75 games for luneth (t): 9x a gnoll, 8x, 6x an orc priest, 5x an ogre, 4x a kobold, 3x an adder, 2x an orc warrior, 2x Grinder, a manticore, Neverdly's ghost, Prince Ribbit, Rupert, Sigmund, a goblin, a green death, a guardian serpent, a hell hog, a hobgoblin, a jelly, alcopop's ghost, a leopard gecko, a lich, Natasha, a molten gargoyle, an enormous slime creature, an orc, an orc warlord, an orc w...
15:23:04 <|amethyst> !lg luneth t s=ktyp
15:23:04 <Sequell> 75 games for luneth (t): 43x mon, 19x beam, 4x pois, 2x leaving, 2x quitting, 2x targeting, falling down stairs, water, cloud
15:23:06 <|amethyst> ah
15:23:12 <|amethyst> you need ktyp, not killer
15:23:17 <Brannock> oh, of course
15:23:33 <hyperbolic> !lg * t ckiller~~falling_down_stairs
15:23:35 <Sequell> 1. luneth the Charlatan (L4 MiAr), fell down a flight of stairs on D:3 on 2016-11-18 11:04:22, with 105 points after 2545 turns and 0:07:51.
15:23:41 <|amethyst> I imagine the "Top Killers" page sorts by something like COALESCE(killer, ktyp)
15:23:47 <|amethyst> ah
15:23:49 <hyperbolic> you should actually just almost never use killer instead of ckiller
15:24:10 <Brannock> what is the difference?
15:24:17 <|amethyst> what if you want to know if someone was killed by Falling_Down_Stairs's ghost?
15:24:38 <|amethyst> ??ckiller
15:24:38 <Sequell> ckiller ~ ikiller[1/1]: Sequell keyword meaning "indirect killer". The thing that created whatever killed you, generally.
15:24:38 <Brannock> do we have any other amusing panlord killers aside from Sup Lies?
15:24:38 <|amethyst> err
15:24:50 <|amethyst> !lg * t ckiller=pandemonium_lord
15:24:52 <Sequell> 42. puimuR the Conqueror (L27 HOMo of The Shining One), blasted by Perghir the pandemonium lord (great icy blast) on Lair:1 on 2016-11-20 19:59:16, with 1300436 points after 42454 turns and 5:48:48.
15:24:58 <|amethyst> !lg * t ckiller=pandemonium_lord s=killer
15:24:59 <Sequell> 42 games for * (t ckiller=pandemonium_lord): Bominn the pandemonium lord, Cikhleys the pandemonium lord, Corie the pandemonium lord, Faffuy the pandemonium lord, Fiwocsu the pandemonium lord, Fuotoith the pandemonium lord, Goddob the pandemonium lord, Gozokaf Diny the pandemonium lord, Guxtuq the pandemonium lord, Hirphodigg the pandemonium lord, Iddoof the pandemonium lord, Jaghuh the pandemonium...
15:25:25 <hyperbolic> ckiller does a few things to make the result nicer (combining player ghosts, pan lords, etc) but for this purpose it basically uses ktyp in situations where killer is empty
15:25:34 <Brannock> very nice
15:25:52 <|amethyst> hm, how is it again that one does s= with an expression for the RHS?
15:26:09 <|amethyst> I want to get a list of those pan lord names without "the pandemonium lord"
15:26:21 <Brannock> okay, second script update is go
15:26:23 <Brannock> killing taildb
15:26:42 <Brannock> !tstats
15:26:43 <hyperbolic> Brannock: fully complete? the pages don't all update at the same time
15:27:11 <Brannock> all pages were last updated at 20:17 utc
15:27:15 <hyperbolic> I think the overview might be last to update though
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15:27:21 <Brannock> didn't check individual player pages
15:27:40 <hyperbolic> or maybe the individual player page for the player with the highest score or something like that
15:27:41 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t): 3161 players, 1014 runers, 528 winners, 1423 wins, 79436 games, winrate 1.79%, total player time 4y+129d+16:51:11.
15:28:01 <hyperbolic> e.g. yermak's page was updated at 20:19
15:28:04 <hyperbolic> anyway should be fine
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15:32:27 <twelwe> any real dope mysteries during the tournament no one could figure out?
15:33:12 <|amethyst> !lg . xl>24 !meleebug -2
15:33:13 <Sequell> 6/7. neil the Metallomancer (L25 GrEE of Vehumet), blasted by an acid blob (splash of acid) on Depths:5 (grunt_zot_entry_bicorn) on 2014-07-05 23:42:59, with 534553 points after 74017 turns and 5:14:11.
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15:33:34 <|amethyst> !lg . xl>24 !meleebug -1
15:33:35 <Sequell> 7. Neil the Minotaur Blade (L25 MiBe of Trog), blasted by an electric golem (bolt of lightning) (kmap: hall_of_Zot) on Zot:5 on 2016-11-20 18:19:44, with 579295 points after 50999 turns and 2:33:40.
15:33:41 <hyperbolic> !lg * t ckiller=pandemonium_lord s=${length(killer)}
15:33:42 <Sequell> 42 games for * (t ckiller=pandemonium_lord): 11x 27, 8x 28, 7x 29, 5x 26, 5x 25, 2x 30, 2x 31, 32, 33
15:34:05 <|amethyst> Yes, what is the bug that allowed me to have such a good game... must be broken riposte + headbutts
15:35:21 <hyperbolic> !lg * t ckiller=pandemonium_lord s=${regexp_replace(killer," the pandemonium lord","")}
15:35:22 <Sequell> 42 games for * (t ckiller=pandemonium_lord): Bominn, Cikhleys, Corie, Faffuy, Fiwocsu, Fuotoith, Goddob, Gozokaf Diny, Guxtuq, Hirphodigg, Iddoof, Jaghuh, Japux, Jasogro, Kaifyeva, Koth, Kyas, Lehacac, Luj Viac, Meesuadeogg, Mickox, Mimuqanops, Muyjiechi, Neyn, Ocwothof, Paown, Perghir, Pesmal, Pustur, Qaoheuwai, Qeuc, Qoekaal, Roidoof, Rukufat, Sup Lies, Tideneis, Timi, Tunips, Ucecya, Vacew, Wai...
15:35:26 <rchandra> I thought there might be a bug in which dith was suppressing flame clouds from \clouds so it was actually safe, but turns out I was just lucky
15:35:26 <hyperbolic> |amethyst: ^
15:36:49 <twelwe> this game is all luck
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15:37:38 <Brannock> I'm really glad Philosophy won most ghost kills
15:37:42 <Brannock> and not, say, asss
15:37:48 <Brannock> or gjgjgjgj2222
15:38:39 <twelwe> thats a good idea for a password
15:38:58 <Dracunos> All I see is **********
15:39:33 <|amethyst> hyperbolic:  ah, ${}
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15:41:11 <|amethyst> hyperbolic:  oh, and not sequellese, but postgress
15:41:16 <|amethyst> s/ess/es/
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15:45:28 <Brannock> johnstein, you wanna do the 0.19 graphs like you did last time?
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15:46:39 <johnstein> Brannock: yea. I was planning on it. when do you want it? usually I work on it throughout the week post tourney
15:47:15 <Brannock> I'm almost done writing up the 0.19 results blog post, so I can just put in the graphs whenever you're done
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15:48:48 <johnstein> ok. it won't be for a few days at least. unless someone else wants to do it earlier. I the worst part is pulling the data. plotting it is pretty fast
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15:59:39 <minmay> Brannock: are you planning to mention that fanfiction
15:59:47 <Brannock> what fanfiction?
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16:00:29 <minmay> that's a no, then
16:05:14 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-83-g032f40a: Add some flavor text to hell features (r-i) 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 13+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/032f40ab16df
16:05:14 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-84-g4009af9: Hell lord descriptions 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 17+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4009af932a53
16:05:14 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-85-gdcea25d: % screen: change spell level display 10(3 weeks ago, 3 files, 18+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dcea25df740d
16:05:14 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-86-g9d93480: Remove list of abilities from the % screen 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 11+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9d93480eec8c
16:05:14 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-87-g84ee52c: Message for god gift piety breakpoints 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 10+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/84ee52cb90fb
16:05:14 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-88-g3f3950b: Reduce monster MR with lowered HD 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3f3950b4b59f
16:05:14 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-89-g4d0003c: Give unique's hides bonus enchantment 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4d0003cd04a1
16:05:14 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-90-gceffc2c: Refactor monster attack names 10(4 days ago, 3 files, 48+ 36-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ceffc2c6af96
16:05:14 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-91-g5a4a499: Expose flavour_triggers_damageless() 10(4 days ago, 3 files, 22+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5a4a499e9e2d
16:05:14 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-92-g29da077: First pass on displaying monster damage 10(4 days ago, 2 files, 13+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/29da077fa4dd
16:05:14 <Cheibriados> ... and 14 more commits
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16:07:38 <Brannock> good flavor text
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16:08:17 <Brannock> we can work on Crawl again!!
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16:08:24 <PleasingFungus> impossible
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16:10:08 <Brannock> PF, do you mind taking a look over my blog post?
16:10:14 <Brannock> I'm pretty sure it's good2go, but want a second pair of eyes
16:10:19 <PleasingFungus> i despise even the thought of it
16:10:29 <Brannock> alas,
16:10:35 <PleasingFungus> link me
16:11:37 <Brannock> http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3749&preview=true
16:12:36 <PleasingFungus> you can't do that, sorry
16:12:47 <MarvinPA> mmm, bringing back unique essays i see
16:12:56 <PleasingFungus> wait, nvm, i had to log in
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16:12:59 <Brannock> yeah
16:13:01 <Brannock> admins only!!
16:13:12 <PleasingFungus> MarvinPA: two paras isn't that long......
16:13:25 <Brannock> hell lords are pretty unique
16:13:52 <PleasingFungus> lol @ the winning clan name
16:14:13 <PleasingFungus> 'gnollcrawl fame' is some real inside baseball
16:14:41 <MarvinPA> it would be better without the last sentence imo
16:15:12 <MarvinPA> that's what makes it cross the line into fannar-ish excess to me :P
16:15:12 <PleasingFungus> and merge the other sentence into the previous paragraph?
16:15:15 <MarvinPA> yeah
16:15:19 <PleasingFungus> hm, that works for me
16:16:31 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 {GitHub} 07* 0.20-a0-107-g7693dad: De-essayify Antaeus's description (MarvinPA) 10(6 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7693dad0e7a2
16:17:15 <Brannock> "exiled and descended into the Hells" -> "exiled into the Hells"?
16:17:37 <PleasingFungus> scans strangely to me
16:17:51 <PleasingFungus> you could say "exiled to", if you really wanted
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16:17:58 <PleasingFungus> but that's a somewhat different implication
16:18:07 <Brannock> it is, yeah
16:18:08 <Brannock> hmm
16:18:11 <MarvinPA> not a huge fan of the last ereshkigal sentence either really, although that one would be maybe a bit short without it
16:18:41 <MarvinPA> (the "greatest" thing is cute though)
16:18:48 <Brannock> third strongest...
16:19:38 <Brannock> undecided if I want to post this early, or wait for the graphs
16:19:53 <PleasingFungus> i think i'd wait. no one is coming back for the graphs
16:19:56 <Brannock> yeah
16:19:57 <PleasingFungus> first impressions are everything!
16:20:01 <Brannock> Okay, letting this draft sit
16:20:04 <|amethyst> Is it intentional that Antaeus doesn't claim to be "greatest"?
16:20:16 <Brannock> Probably yes. Antaeus is an outsider
16:20:44 <|amethyst> Greatest and most hipster of the Lords of Hell, Antaeus . . .
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16:21:22 <guest_> hi
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16:21:46 <PleasingFungus> Brannock: yeah, i think that was my reasoning
16:21:50 <PleasingFungus> also, his stats speak for themselves :)
16:22:14 <ProzacElf> heh.  gammafunk was the only person to get killed by wizmode, i see
16:22:17 <ProzacElf> sad
16:22:19 <ProzacElf> !
16:22:20 <minmay> i'll show you stats that speak for themselves
16:22:22 <guest_> How can tweak the sub menu interface in download version like webtiles version?
16:22:24 <minmay> !killsby mountain_bat
16:22:25 <Sequell> 21 games for * (ikiller=mountain_bat): 20x minmay, mossforestblossombat
16:22:26 <guest_> like this sub menu window: http://imgur.com/pzylwlm
16:22:48 <PleasingFungus> What do you want to tweak?
16:22:57 <guest_> sub menu window
16:23:10 <PleasingFungus> I don't understand. What about it?
16:23:25 <guest_> ex. inventory menu
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16:24:47 <|amethyst> There isn't a way to get that same interface in offline tiles
16:24:48 <guest_> in download version it toggle another window but webtiles version appear sub window in center
16:25:05 <guest_> oh.. orz
16:25:11 <|amethyst> offline tiles isn't maintained all that much sadly :(
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16:25:31 <guest_> i see
16:26:01 <|amethyst> if you have Linux (or Mac OS I think) you could run webtiles on your computer :)
16:26:43 <|amethyst> I think someone tried to get it working with Cygwin a few months ago, but I don't know how that turned out
16:26:44 <geekosaur> webtiles didn't work on macos last time I tried; it wasn't sending the tiles properly
16:26:55 <|amethyst> ah
16:26:55 <|amethyst> :/
16:26:55 <geekosaur> you got a mostly blank screen
16:27:21 <PleasingFungus> it works for me!
16:27:23 <PleasingFungus> on os x
16:27:28 <PleasingFungus> it's slow as hell but it works
16:27:49 <guest_> oh thanks. i like webtiles interface of sub window.
16:27:53 <geekosaur> ah, maybe it got fixed by some incidental change. (and yes, it was fairly slow when I was trying to make it work)
16:28:44 <|amethyst> probably it wouldn't be terribly hard to make offline tiles do the same thing for those menus
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16:29:39 <PleasingFungus> every experience i've had trying to work with tiles menus has been Pain
16:29:45 <PleasingFungus> everything takes ten times longer than it should
16:29:50 <guest_> maybe compile nessasary?
16:30:44 <guest_> i thought it possible by edit init.txt but it's impossible.
16:31:16 <PleasingFungus> you might need to compile a version of webtiles, yes. or i guess maybe someone else could toss one up on dropbox or something?
16:31:17 <|amethyst> yes, it would require modifying code and recompiling
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16:31:45 <guest_> so maybe source coding needed (sorry for my english that's 2nd language)
16:32:33 <guest_> oh as well
16:32:35 <|amethyst> to have non-fullscreen menus in local tiles, yes
16:33:50 <|amethyst> running webtiles does not require any programming (if you have a supported OS), but it does require you to compile Crawl yourself and install some Python packages
16:34:05 <bgiannan> +|amethyst webtiles works on cygwin
16:34:05 <Sequell> bgiannan: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
16:34:11 <bgiannan> !messages
16:34:12 <Sequell> (1/1) PleasingFungus said (5h 22m 29s ago): please stop asking questions repeatedly if you're not going to read the answers even once... :(
16:34:14 <guest_> it's hard work for me. orz
16:34:42 <|amethyst> bgiannan:  cool
16:35:20 <bgiannan> !tell PleasingFungus must have missed the answers...
16:35:21 <Sequell> bgiannan: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
16:37:03 <bgiannan> !tell PleasingFungus also i have a really bad connection these days and get disconnected a lot
16:37:04 <Sequell> bgiannan: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
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16:37:39 <PleasingFungus> 18:16:37 <PleasingFungus> bgiannan_: i don't think the syntax is formally defined; it's just <colorname>text</colorname>. leaving out closing tags will cause a bunch of warnings in play. there's no background colour support
16:37:39 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
16:37:44 <PleasingFungus> 18:16:46 <PleasingFungus> why do you want to change the background colour of text?
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16:39:04 <bgiannan> PleasingFungus thx. I was experimenting with the message log, trying to get it more readable
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17:01:35 <Brannock> found an interesting comment
17:01:46 <Brannock> !source mon-cast.cc:7758
17:01:46 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc#L7758
17:01:57 <Brannock> oops
17:01:59 <Brannock> go 10 up from there
17:02:58 <geekosaur> ...and now you know why
17:02:58 <geekosaur> ??4.1
17:02:58 <Sequell> 4.1[1/7]: Crawl (NOT stone soup) 4.1 Alpha, Brent Ross' ill-fated rewrite of Crawl. DCSS was spawned by two people who got tired of waiting for this to come out of alpha. Nearly unwinnable. NEVER CONFUSE THIS WITH SS 0.4.1
17:03:01 <geekosaur> :p
17:08:45 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-108-gb1ff10d: Don't make wispform sometimes move unreliably 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b1ff10d2eccb
17:08:45 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-109-g77d4e8a: Remove porcupine form 10(3 days ago, 9 files, 24+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/77d4e8a237b3
17:08:45 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-110-g0f5b31f: Simplify batform melee attacks 10(3 days ago, 4 files, 1+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0f5b31ffaf3d
17:08:45 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-111-g9c31eae: Don't allow Vampires to be batformed by polymorph effects 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 11+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9c31eae17d82
17:08:45 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-112-g9726809: Make non-weapon-wielding badforms consistently use XL instead of UC for attacks 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9726809e0233
17:08:45 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-113-gde011df: Remove the small chance of hostile polymorph picking a "good" form 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/de011dfac354
17:08:45 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-114-g70de9b6: De-duplicate some spellcasting checks 10(3 days ago, 3 files, 24+ 20-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/70de9b669547
17:08:45 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-115-g4cd936b: Let wispform evoke (non-wand) evokables 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4cd936bf6d64
17:08:45 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-116-gbed7403: Tweak a transformation message 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bed740392571
17:08:45 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-117-gb5556e9: Let fungus form wear all helmets 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b5556e9b5b39
17:08:45 <Cheibriados> ... and 2 more commits
17:09:25 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-107-g7693dad (34)
17:10:30 <PleasingFungus> today is a good day for commits
17:12:48 <MarvinPA> i think the holy branch is ready to go too probably, unless anyone has strong opinions on the merits of TSO's poison conduct
17:13:30 <Brannock> I like conducts but I don't care remotely about TSO disliking poison
17:13:54 <PleasingFungus> i care!!! that it should be as simple as possible
17:14:22 <MarvinPA> not existing is pretty simple...
17:14:56 <SteelNeuron> I suppose it's time to be annoying again and ask if anyone would open a branch for the council god ;)
17:14:57 <MarvinPA> i was thinking of making it a flat ban on using poison at all, instead of the current super weird and bad thing
17:15:25 <MarvinPA> but turns out that's actually not all that simple either, really
17:15:28 <|amethyst> SteelNeuron:  which pull request is it?
17:15:28 <Brannock> weapons of venom, poison spells, what else?
17:15:30 <MarvinPA> in terms of implementation that is
17:15:40 <SteelNeuron> amethyst https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/387
17:16:04 <Brannock> SteelNeuron, you probably want to talk with johnstein about opening up an experimental on CBRO
17:16:21 <|amethyst> it needs a branch in the repo first
17:16:25 <|amethyst> hm
17:16:26 <SteelNeuron> Brannock I did, he told me it would make his job much easier if it's on the repo yeah :)
17:16:30 <Brannock> ah
17:16:34 <|amethyst> I guess johnstein could point at the pull request
17:16:42 <MarvinPA> Brannock: look at the current DID_FIRE or whatever it's called for an indicator (imo DID_FIRE should also not be a thing)
17:16:47 <|amethyst> but that complicates the scripts I imagine
17:17:24 <SteelNeuron> amethyst: Yes, that's what I got from talking to him IIRC
17:18:01 <SteelNeuron> hm, there's a new conflict on the branch though. I'll give it a look but the tags file scares me
17:18:18 <Brannock> I would hate to see Dith's fire conduct go away, but I suppose it isn't simple
17:19:29 <johnstein> |amethyst: ooh I never thought about pointing to the pull request
17:19:30 <johnstein> I bet that would work (with a bit of git config prep)
17:19:45 <Brannock> it'd also let SteelNeuron continue updating the PR
17:20:00 <SteelNeuron> Yeah that sounds great. I'm merging with master and about to push btw
17:20:02 <MarvinPA> it's not at all a meaningful restriction compared to necromancy/evil etc, and the flavour isn't even that good or consistent
17:20:09 <johnstein> yea. it would also allow me to retire dbro from unofficial hosting duty
17:20:29 <johnstein> which I haven't done for many months because it's a pain
17:20:29 <|amethyst> oh
17:20:31 <|amethyst> doh
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17:21:11 <johnstein> SteelNeuron: I need to create tourney charts first. and setting up the ability to use pull requests may or may not be simple
17:21:26 <|amethyst> doh, I just managed to push a branch called pull/387/head :/
17:21:28 <johnstein> probably no sooner than this weekend. fairly moderate chance of two weeks
17:21:41 <johnstein> ??doh
17:21:41 <Sequell> |amethyst[1/24]: <|amethyst> doh
17:22:37 <SteelNeuron> johnstein: I don't mind reopening PRs in the future, so if it makes your job more difficult to point at a PR, I suppose we could still do the actual branch? I don't know who's usually in charge of green lighting that :)
17:22:42 <|amethyst> SteelNeuron:  let me know when the merged version is pushed
17:22:55 <|amethyst> I think the PR should stay open
17:23:11 <johnstein> I think so too
17:23:13 <|amethyst> the PR is to merge it into master, which we're not doing :)
17:23:22 <|amethyst> (not doing right now that is)
17:23:32 <johnstein> getting PRs to feed experimentals will be a great thing
17:23:43 <johnstein> so it's worth some effort to try to work through
17:23:47 <SteelNeuron> I just pushed amethyst
17:24:20 <SteelNeuron> yeah I know ^^ I imagined you or someone else would open a side branch that people could PR to instead
17:24:49 <johnstein> for dbro people would usually send me a patch
17:25:11 <Cheibriados> 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/387 * 0.20-a0-191-g0795697: Merge remote-tracking branch 'upstream/master' into council_god 10(2 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/07956977558f
17:25:14 <johnstein> and I'd struggle to figure out which commit to apply it to. for some reason that was always complicated
17:25:32 <johnstein> then I'd apply patches to update as needed.
17:26:11 <johnstein> and even though dbro is set up basically the same as dbro, there are still weird (stupid?) differences
17:26:15 <Cheibriados> New branch created: councilgod (72 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/councilgod
17:26:19 <Cheibriados> 03PabloMansanet02 07[councilgod] * 0.19-a0-1850-g57e476e: Initial Ieoh Jian commit 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/57e476ee098f
17:26:19 <Cheibriados> 03PabloMansanet02 07[councilgod] * 0.19-a0-1851-ge16f018: WIP Ieoh Jian shell 10(6 weeks ago, 10 files, 30924+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e16f018a01c0
17:26:19 <Cheibriados> 03PabloMansanet02 07[councilgod] * 0.19-a0-1852-gb297530: Ieoh Jian shell 10(6 weeks ago, 11 files, 43+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b297530d2015
17:26:19 <Cheibriados> 03PabloMansanet02 07[councilgod] * 0.19-a0-1853-gd23be47: Ieoh Jian improves cross-training and knocks your weapons away on joining 10(6 weeks ago, 7 files, 83+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d23be47bc46a
17:26:19 <Cheibriados> 03PabloMansanet02 07[councilgod] * 0.19-a0-1854-g0358434: Initializing the collection 10(6 weeks ago, 5 files, 45+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0358434eae36
17:26:19 <Cheibriados> 03PabloMansanet02 07[councilgod] * 0.19-a0-1855-g055b1ab: Weapon manifestation 10(5 weeks ago, 24 files, 9180+ 95-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/055b1abd2576
17:26:19 <Cheibriados> 03PabloMansanet02 07[councilgod] * 0.19-a0-1856-g94c1238: Improve weapon selection algorithm and move everything to hash table 10(5 weeks ago, 12 files, 99+ 64-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/94c1238bb365
17:26:19 <Cheibriados> 03PabloMansanet02 07[councilgod] * 0.19-a0-1857-gb0c943f: Killing off weapons when the council loses interest 10(5 weeks ago, 6 files, 27+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b0c943f94da2
17:26:19 <Cheibriados> 03PabloMansanet02 07[councilgod] * 0.19-a0-1858-gc7117b2: Backoff 10(4 weeks ago, 11 files, 95+ 33-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c7117b253957
17:26:19 <Cheibriados> 03PabloMansanet02 07[councilgod] * 0.19-a0-1859-gcad85f8: Spawning and despawning 10(4 weeks ago, 12 files, 253+ 87-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cad85f8171d6
17:26:19 <Cheibriados> ... and 62 more commits
17:26:50 <johnstein> will it show all 72?
17:26:56 <|amethyst> no, wait for it...
17:27:03 <johnstein> hah
17:28:41 <johnstein> ??dgamelaunch-config
17:28:41 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled dgamelaunch-config in my learndb.
17:28:49 <johnstein> ??dgl
17:28:50 <Sequell> dgl[1/4]: https://github.com/crawl/dgamelaunch
17:29:02 <johnstein> dgl[2
17:29:14 <johnstein> ??dgl[2
17:29:15 <Sequell> dgl[2/4]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:server:setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles
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17:30:28 <SteelNeuron> Thankfully not haha
17:30:42 <SteelNeuron> thanks for the branch!! Much appreciated
17:30:54 <SteelNeuron> Hope testers have as much fun with it as I'm having ^^
17:31:49 <johnstein> |amethyst: could I set up some git trigger to alias a pull request branch as a separate local branch?
17:32:00 <johnstein> and have it auto-update? hmm
17:32:31 <|amethyst> you can set up a local branch with whatever name to track the remote pull request
17:32:35 <johnstein> I'm always a bit nervous on messing with cbro
17:32:41 <Lightli> wait, what's being done with the good gods
17:32:42 <|amethyst> you'd have to actually pull to update
17:32:48 <Lightli> regarding their conducts
17:33:07 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-120-ge3b074c: Turn a magic number dice definition into a constant. 10(21 minutes ago, 3 files, 6+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e3b074c427db
17:33:07 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-121-g18cc4de: Satisfy the parenthesis police. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/18cc4de8e933
17:33:13 <PleasingFungus> same thing that's happening to you, lightli...
17:33:18 <Lightli> gasp
17:33:22 * Lightli is removed
17:33:29 <johnstein> would the existing update stable script do the pull correctly? ie I create a local branch council-god and use that just like any other experimental
17:33:47 <|amethyst> Perhaps "CONVENIENT_NONZERO_DAMAGE" is a bit overkill, since it is longer than just writing "dice_def(42, 1)"
17:33:53 <johnstein> and when update stable runs, it tries to pull council-God which is really the pull request
17:36:31 <|amethyst> johnstein:  I think so...  it looks like crawl-build/update-public-repository.sh  does just   git checkout $BRANCH   and   git pull
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17:37:14 <|amethyst> so as long as locally it's called "council-god" it should use whichever remote you configured for that branch
17:37:38 <johnstein> sounds almost too easy
17:38:38 <wheals> PleasingFungus: it seems to me like " and, after penetrating armour, " could be interpreted as meaning that the attack penetrates armour
17:38:38 <Sequell> wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
17:38:41 <wheals> !messages
17:38:41 <Sequell> (1/1) PleasingFungus said (1d 21h 3m 20s ago): fr: xom hates use of the laj of order
17:38:51 <wheals> wheals thinks this is hilarious!
17:39:04 <PleasingFungus> yeah, also it's sort of long and clumsy
17:39:08 <PleasingFungus> suggestions welcomed!
17:40:02 <|amethyst> johnstein:  hm, it looks like you might need to manually adjust the remote in the git config
17:40:26 <wheals> alternative: if flavour_triggers_damageless is true, append "even if no base damage is dealt"
17:40:27 <johnstein> |amethyst: yep. I'm familiar with that adjustment
17:40:32 <gammafunk> !gamesby bcb
17:40:33 <Sequell> bcb has played 105 games, between 2016-11-04 20:25:04 and 2016-11-20 17:39:08, won 9 (8.6%), high score 14163249, total score 34761041, total turns 1326686, play-time/day 5:47:53, total time 4d+2:34:09.
17:40:48 <gammafunk> .splatratio bcb
17:40:49 <Sequell> No games for bcb (recentish !gfspeed !boring xl>=17).
17:41:17 <gammafunk> !lg bcb xl>=17 !boring s=name / won o=%
17:41:18 <Sequell> 9/14 games for bcb (xl>=17 !boring): 1/1x gammafunk [100.00%], 5/5x brannock [100.00%], 2/4x PleasingFungus [50.00%], 1/4x twelwe [25.00%]
17:41:20 <PleasingFungus> wheals: "even if that deals no damage", maybe? hm
17:41:31 <PleasingFungus> i guess i'd rather clarify the normal AF case, since i think that's less intuitive
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17:50:35 <Rast> formicid FR: make them incapable of eating corpses and permafood, but gain nutrition from digging through walls
17:50:40 <Rast> and from shafting too, i guess
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17:54:57 <chequers> !tell twelve how do you feel about tloc god? I think the conduct needs some work to become fun / noticeable
17:54:58 <Sequell> Sorry chequers, I don't know who twelve is.
17:55:01 <chequers> rip
17:55:02 <Sequell> rip
17:55:03 <PleasingFungus> haha
17:55:06 <PleasingFungus> Rast: why, tho
17:55:14 <chequers> !tell twelwe how do you feel about tloc god? I think the conduct needs some work to become fun / noticeable
17:55:14 <Sequell> chequers: OK, I'll let twelwe know.
17:55:17 <Rast> flavor
17:55:26 <PleasingFungus> but flavor is all that food has...!
17:55:26 <Rast> ....a sort of earthy flavor
17:55:51 <Rast> make the amount of nutrition kinda small so they have to constantly be eating the dungeon
17:56:01 <Rast> like, a choko's worth per square
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17:58:37 <PleasingFungus> It'd certainly make food more meaningful.
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17:59:07 <Rast> er, nutrition more meaningful
17:59:25 <Rast> actual permafood would remain totally irrelevant
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18:00:01 <PleasingFungus> :p
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18:00:23 <Rast> also you could eat stones if you got hungry
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18:00:45 <Rast> maybe at the rate of 20 stones = choko
18:03:27 <gammafunk> chequers: ...you do realize that his nick is twelwe?
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18:06:30 <SteelNeuron> I'm off for today, thanks johnstein and everone for the help with that branch :) night!
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18:09:23 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-121-g18cc4de (34)
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18:15:09 <travis-ci> The build has errored. (pull/387/head - fc367e1 #7197 : PabloMansanet): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/177514169
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18:16:02 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-121-g18cc4de (34)
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18:19:11 <chequers> gammafunk: ?
18:20:08 <chequers> !lg * cjr won 0.19
18:20:09 <gammafunk> oh, actually I didn't see that you corrected it, sorry
18:20:09 <Sequell> 143. toastedzergling the Invulnerable (L27 MiGl of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 11 runes on 2016-11-20 19:08:36, with 9572898 points after 92916 turns and 5:14:41.
18:20:36 <chequers> scoreboard has all the same 0.19s as sequell now too
18:20:48 <gammafunk> btw, for scoreboard, are you going to include experimentals at some point?
18:20:52 <gammafunk> would be kind of nice
18:21:15 <gammafunk> but maybe that's opening up a few ~can of worms~
18:21:24 <gammafunk> sequell does it well, anyhow
18:21:30 <gammafunk> using the file field
18:21:40 <chequers> yeah, I would like to, but it's a bit messy
18:21:42 <gammafunk> !kw experimental
18:21:43 <Sequell> Keyword: experimental => explbr!=||file~~(smithgod|jump|combo_god)
18:21:49 <gammafunk> heh
18:21:54 <chequers> you can't tell from the logfile lines themselves if they're experimental
18:22:03 <gammafunk> can't you?
18:22:04 <chequers> so yeah, it depends on the file name in most cases
18:22:07 <gammafunk> isn't explbr
18:22:15 <gammafunk> or is that a sequell thing, yeah I guess it would be
18:22:21 <gammafunk> you have to add it as a source and mark it
18:22:26 <gammafunk> so that seems like it's addressable
18:22:44 <gammafunk> those sources get explbr added since they're marked as experimental in sequell config
18:22:48 <gammafunk> but then you need a UI for it...
18:22:54 <chequers> https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/config/sources.yml#L69
18:23:06 <chequers> you can see here, for example, that the experimental branches are stored differently
18:23:15 <chequers> string vs dict in the yaml
18:23:32 <chequers> but then nostalgia is stored as a string!
18:23:48 <gammafunk> hrm
18:23:52 <chequers> so i dont quite get all the nuances, and I'm worried about miscategorisation
18:24:01 <chequers> but I would like to include them
18:24:08 <gammafunk> well, in the end each exp has it's own logfile/milestone
18:24:19 <gammafunk> so it seems when you add it to the log file sourcing service thingy
18:24:24 <gammafunk> you could mark that source as such
18:24:30 <gammafunk> but yeah not exactly high priority
18:24:44 <chequers> well, the sourcing thing uses that exact file actually
18:24:59 <chequers> this is where i want my centralised log service :)
18:25:06 <gammafunk> hrm
18:25:36 <gammafunk> well nostalgia has its own game type
18:25:41 <gammafunk> !kw nostalgia
18:25:42 <Sequell> Built-in: nostalgia => game=nostalgia
18:25:42 <johnstein> chequers: how would that work?
18:25:50 <gammafunk> not sure how game types are added
18:25:57 <johnstein> I think it was a specially handled experimental wasn't it?
18:25:58 <gammafunk> but it'd be any source that looks like thos exp ones
18:26:08 <gammafunk> I guess they all have a key
18:26:22 <gammafunk> and nostalgia isn't an experimental
18:26:26 <gammafunk> it's actually a new game type
18:26:30 <gammafunk> which is another thing entirely
18:26:32 <johnstein> it was part of the April fools. I think only cbro added it as experimental afterwards
18:26:39 <gammafunk> basically nostalgia is how we would handle forks
18:26:49 <gammafunk> if we wanted to handle those more extensively
18:26:56 <gammafunk> which could be very difficult depending on the fork
18:26:59 <johnstein> !lg * explbr=nostalgia s=src
18:27:00 <Sequell> No games for * (explbr=nostalgia).
18:27:01 <chequers> oh yeah, thats the other thing. no forks actually change the game name
18:27:02 <johnstein> hn
18:27:04 <johnstein> hm
18:27:30 <gammafunk> weird, look at mulch_ado_about_nothing
18:27:56 <gammafunk> on cbo
18:27:59 <gammafunk> *cbro
18:28:03 <gammafunk> yeah there is some weirdness here, for sure
18:28:24 <gammafunk> !lg * file~~mulch_ado
18:28:28 <Sequell> 466. kylecrane the Firebug (L2 OpFE), slain by a giant cockroach on D:1 on 2015-10-29 22:42:57, with 10 points after 488 turns and 0:01:46.
18:28:33 <gammafunk> !lg * file~~mulch_ado x=explbr
18:28:34 <Sequell> 466. [explbr=mulch ado about nothing] kylecrane the Firebug (L2 OpFE), slain by a giant cockroach on D:1 on 2015-10-29 22:42:57, with 10 points after 488 turns and 0:01:46.
18:28:41 <gammafunk> seems to get that right...
18:29:14 <gammafunk> I wonder if it's setting that whenever the...url matches a certain pattern?
18:29:54 <chequers> that's what I've done at least
18:29:54 <gammafunk> aha!
18:29:58 <chequers> IGNORED_FILES_REGEX = re.compile(
18:29:58 <chequers> r'(sprint|zotdef|rl.heh.fi|crawlus.somatika.net|nostalgia|mulch|squarelos|combo_god)'
18:30:01 <chequers> )
18:30:01 <gammafunk> chequers: https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/config/crawl-data.yml#L961
18:30:05 <gammafunk> maybe you've seen that
18:30:15 <gammafunk> it's also where nostalgia is defined as a game type, in that file
18:30:34 <gammafunk> so if the url isn't matching one of those regexs, it's marked as experimentals
18:30:41 <gammafunk> s/s$//
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18:31:34 <gammafunk> and marking it is only done insofar as that derived field is non-empty
18:31:48 <gammafunk> but that works for kw like 'experimental'
18:32:03 <gammafunk> that's kind of a bad hack though
18:32:37 <chequers> i think i have something like that in our code, but i can't find it atm
18:32:42 <chequers> project already bigger than my head...
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18:34:14 <chequers> ah, so the downloader ignores lines that are dict rather than strings, and then it ignores strings matching the above regex
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18:34:41 <chequers> i should probably align the logic with sequell
18:35:02 <gammafunk> yeah, if you can figure out exactly what it's doing!
18:35:14 <gammafunk> which might be harder than it seems...
18:35:50 <gammafunk> hrm, this looks like where we'd need to add a transform
18:36:00 <gammafunk> for ukayaw -> uskayaw
18:36:06 <gammafunk> !lg * usk won s=god
18:36:08 <Sequell> 276 games for * (usk won): 276x Uskayaw
18:36:13 <gammafunk> !lg * uka won s=god
18:36:14 <Sequell> 276 games for * (uka won): 276x Uskayaw
18:36:19 <gammafunk> oh
18:36:31 <gammafunk> nv
18:36:34 <gammafunk> it's already in there
18:37:15 <chequers> scoreboard does that when it loads lines individually
18:37:19 <chequers> !lg * ke
18:37:20 <Sequell> 184119. PlywoodRaven the Summoner (L9 TeSu of Sif Muna), slain by an ogre (a +0 giant club) (kmap: minmay_imperfect_grid) on D:8 on 2016-11-20 23:11:53, with 1943 points after 9596 turns and 1:26:30.
18:37:25 <chequers> works about the same
18:37:25 <johnstein> !kw uka
18:37:26 <Sequell> Keyword: uka => usk
18:37:32 <johnstein> !kw yak
18:37:32 <Sequell> No keyword 'yak'
18:37:38 <johnstein> !kw usk
18:37:39 <Sequell> Keyword: usk => uskayaw
18:37:44 <johnstein> stupid autocorrect
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18:38:41 <twelwe> any chat vibes?
18:38:42 <Sequell> twelwe: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
18:38:49 <twelwe> !messages
18:38:50 <Sequell> (1/1) chequers said (43m 35s ago): how do you feel about tloc god? I think the conduct needs some work to become fun / noticeable
18:39:50 <Brannock> we missed an opportunity with vine stalkers.
18:39:53 <Brannock> we could have had ViBes
18:41:46 <chequers> hi twelwe
18:42:11 <twelwe> majestic salutations to all
18:43:04 <gammafunk> .splatratio bcb
18:43:05 <Sequell> No games for bcb (recentish !gfspeed !boring xl>=17).
18:43:23 <gammafunk> !lg bcb xl>=17 !boring s=name o=% / !won
18:43:24 <Sequell> 5/14 games for bcb (xl>=17 !boring): 3/4x twelwe [75.00%], 2/4x PleasingFungus [50.00%], 0/1x gammafunk [0.00%], 0/5x brannock [0.00%]
18:43:44 <gammafunk> I thought you had special jukes and moves to avoid these splats
18:43:55 <Brannock> you only get that if you follow uskayaw
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19:01:02 <twelwe> gammafunk did yall even win?
19:01:16 <chequers> is there a way to add a status that will last for one action?
19:01:45 <Brannock> probably through an ench
19:01:52 <Brannock> look at the confusing touch code
19:02:18 <Brannock> twelwe, gammafunk DID win a drck
19:02:28 <Brannock> though he wizmoded one character, not sure what happened with that one
19:02:32 <twelwe> what a show off
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19:05:40 <gammafunk> not only that
19:05:44 <gammafunk> !oneandwon
19:05:48 <Sequell> Chars won first try for gammafunk: BaNe, CeAr, DDGl, DrCK, DrMo, DrNe, DsFi, GhMo, HuSu, KoEn, KoMo, SpHu, TrGl, TrWr, VpSu, VSCj
19:05:57 <gammafunk> I oneandwon a CK^Xom
19:06:14 <gammafunk> that's how good you can get if you drink my new energy drink: Sif Muna's POWER CHANNEL
19:07:24 <gammafunk> my current ogas has a good show at winning
19:07:34 <gammafunk> but I screwed up the first one I played, god banished on d:1
19:07:45 <gammafunk> should have used curare on that goblin, not poison
19:08:11 <gammafunk> s/god/got/
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19:11:20 <twelwe> fr: rename to holler monkeys
19:12:16 <geekosaur> hell yellers
19:15:16 <minmay> the noise howler monkeys make is actually "rawr"
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19:17:04 <geekosaur> (hootenannies)
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19:18:52 <minmay> mark my words, by 2020 all of society will be ironically furry
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19:19:09 <minmay> the rawring twenties :3
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19:20:26 <Yermak> Was Fedhas's repetitive piety bonus for reentering floor fixed without it being reflected in commits? I had corpses not decaying when leaving floor in my tourney game, but they do decay in downloadable version now.
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19:28:29 <twelwe> trip report: praying at the temple entry does nothing
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19:38:00 <geekosaur> a random god should slap you with a large trout >.>
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19:42:01 <travis-ci> The build passed. (councilgod - 0795697 #7199 : PabloMansanet): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/177515381
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20:06:31 <twelwe> yall should try the wundvrond conduct patch
20:09:37 <gammafunk> is that the one where I can't leave the stairs?
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20:11:13 <gammafunk> it's a bit early for this, but is wundvrond going to be the final name?
20:11:34 <gammafunk> because it sounds like a bottom-tier artefact name!
20:13:16 <Brannock> I wonder if we could improve gibberish scroll/panlord/artefact names
20:14:02 <gammafunk> one thing I'd love would be if the ones that were specific to some concept were based on the item's properties
20:14:14 <gammafunk> so e.g. Hydra's Doom was flaming etc
20:14:20 <gammafunk> a lot of work could be done there
20:14:49 <Brannock> is it bad when I'm surprised my branch compiles?
20:14:56 <Brannock> at least I tracked down all the bugs... or at least most of them.
20:15:30 <gammafunk> branches not compiling initially is definitely in the majority of situations
20:17:18 <Brannock> oh nooo there's a broken vault syntax and it's going to take forever to track down.
20:17:41 <gammafunk> broken vault syntax shouldn't take too long to track down
20:17:48 <gammafunk> remember you can see the error message
20:18:14 <Brannock> Oh right, I can do that through cmd
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20:21:17 <twelwe> gammafunk i don`t know if the stairs part was implemented, but leaving the soul aura slows you. the aura size was reduced as well
20:21:43 <gammafunk> twelwe: I was just joking about that bug where you couldn't move when you started worship
20:21:59 <twelwe> i always spell it wundwrong anyway so it should be changed to something simple that i can spell
20:29:24 <twelwe> was gonna post some more examples of other hard to spell words that should be changed but i quit in total frustration
20:30:22 <johnstein> I'm still waiting for this god wryhcdzheimz
20:32:14 <twelwe> some places make you have passwords like that
20:33:03 <twelwe> you have to just sit there and keep trying to make it harder while this computer tells you how complex the pw is, as if ai is really that smart already
20:35:23 <geekosaur> ...or just use a password manager, it being 2016
20:35:23 <twelwe> like why is 0wnage so much more complex than ownage, have you even heard of counterstrike
20:36:46 <geekosaur> isn't counterstrike, like, last millennium?
20:37:07 <twelwe> 2016 huh? maybe in your frame of reference
20:37:45 <geekosaur> well, in one of my frames of reference it's 5777 :p
20:40:19 <twelwe> i live with scientologiests so its like year 40 or something
20:40:28 <twelwe> you have to ask them
20:41:10 <twelwe> they say oh its ten past celebrity day. and i just nod and end up being late to everything
20:42:21 <geekosaur> http://calendar.discordipedia.org/ anyone?
20:43:55 <minmay> yeah on that subject can we just like...make 2016 a mulligan
20:44:02 <minmay> throw it away and try again starting from dec 31, 2015
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20:58:48 <Brannock> oh my god
20:58:52 <Brannock> summoners automatically get abjuration?
20:59:01 <Brannock> I've been struggling to figure out why my stormcallers were getting a spell I didn't define
20:59:17 <amalloy> yes
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21:01:43 <chequers> yeah the W name so far is bad
21:01:54 <chequers> gammafunk: btw thanks for the cleanup on my ecu vaults, both improvements
21:02:13 <chequers> Brannock: i have a branch that improves randart naming like that
21:02:19 <chequers> i never finished it though
21:02:28 <chequers> i'll try to find it for you
21:05:37 <twelwe> we need a name that conveys `elite ownage`
21:06:25 <chequers> Rod of Elite Ownage (13/37)
21:06:32 <chequers> that's what my gf calls it if you know what i mean
21:07:06 <twelwe> they say it in lewd vids too
21:07:34 <twelwe> usually they arent that empty though
21:11:15 <gammafunk> I blame that priority stuff for missing those vault edits
21:11:35 <gammafunk> spent all the time figuring that out and didn't actually look at the vaults until after I merged them
21:11:43 <chequers> Brannock: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/compare/master...alexjurkiewicz:unrand-naming
21:12:12 <chequers> i'm not sure how good the idea is, but basically weapons with a brand would use brand-specific lookup some percentage of the time
21:12:26 <Brannock> I'm not against it
21:12:35 <Brannock> It's nice to have themed names
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21:18:50 <twelwe> Picnic Ruin {elec}
21:20:06 <twelwe> Gain {pain}
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21:20:41 <twelwe> Whip of the dumbass {*confuse}
21:20:57 <twelwe> sign me up for name writer
21:21:15 <nikheizen> when is twelwe officially joining the dev team
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21:21:32 <twelwe> i refused the position
21:22:30 <chequers> it owuld be a conflict of interest as twelwe is benevolent dictator for life of dcss:pt
21:25:17 <nikheizen> i was under the impression that many bdfls did development work
21:30:43 <twelwe> !seen bcadren
21:30:44 <Sequell> I last saw Bcadren at Wed Nov  9 12:33:27 2016 UTC (1w 4d 13h 57m 16s ago) quitting, saying 'Read error: Connection reset by peer'.
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21:52:56 <PleasingFungus> !tell Yermak I never saw any bug reports about the Fedhas decay conduct, and I didn't make any changes to it recently. What bug did you observe?
21:52:56 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let yermak know.
21:54:30 <Yermak> In the tourney when I left the floor with corpses and then entered it and left again, I got messages about piety boost after every leave.
21:54:30 <Sequell> Yermak: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
21:54:34 <Yermak> !messages
21:54:34 <Sequell> (1/1) PleasingFungus said (1m 38s ago): I never saw any bug reports about the Fedhas decay conduct, and I didn't make any changes to it recently. What bug did you observe?
21:54:54 <Yermak> Now when I downloaded th 0.19 version it seems ok.
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21:55:08 <PleasingFungus> The downloaded version is probably older than the t version.
21:55:17 <Yermak> If I recall correctly corpses didn't rot also
21:55:33 <PleasingFungus> lemme test.
21:56:27 <Yermak> I'm readying a big list of small bugs so feel prepared.
21:56:48 <PleasingFungus> aaaa
21:57:11 <PleasingFungus> the dark mirror of the post-tournament commitstorm...
21:57:16 <Yermak> Will it be ok as a one post in Tavern GDD?
21:57:23 <PleasingFungus> i don't read gdd
21:57:31 <PleasingFungus> mantis would be better
21:57:36 <Yermak> Ok
21:57:37 <PleasingFungus> ideally multiple bugs but i know that's more work
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21:59:44 <twelwe> yall should read gdd pf, i make great typos there each week
22:00:01 <PleasingFungus> that's the reason i used to read cyc
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22:00:06 <PleasingFungus> but cyc leads to gdd, and gdd dleads to sadness
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22:00:43 <Brannock> trying to implement monster upheaval is making me sad
22:00:44 <twelwe> can you make it so everyone is ignored and just build an exclusion list?
22:00:52 <PleasingFungus> whitelisted gdd...
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22:01:06 <PleasingFungus> they'd just quote people.
22:01:06 <PleasingFungus> very good idea, but sadly it wouldn't work out
22:01:32 <Brannock> that tavern reorganization that got floated a few months back would have helped a lot, in terms of separating "here's my design idea" out
22:02:41 <twelwe> how will you read updates about my tloc god?
22:03:31 <PleasingFungus> Brannock: separated out from what?
22:04:58 <Brannock> gdd
22:05:33 <PleasingFungus> my take on gdd is that it had three things
22:05:38 <twelwe> mod me & i`ll clean up the forum & make it great again
22:05:50 <PleasingFungus> (a) suggestions for new things, 90% of which were bad ideas (which i find depressing)
22:06:25 <twelwe> yall gotta just sticky the worthwhile discssions
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22:06:28 <PleasingFungus> (b) extremely bitter complaints about food, extended, etc (rehashing old arguments over and over)
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22:06:41 <PleasingFungus> (c) small, good ideas that i could implement and make people happy
22:06:46 <PleasingFungus> (c) was very much the exception
22:06:46 <kramin> btw when is rot gonna be temporary
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22:06:56 <kramin> and like
22:06:58 <Brannock> we already have temporary rot
22:06:59 <kramin> not rot
22:07:01 <Brannock> it's called damage
22:07:12 <kramin> sounds good
22:07:19 <PleasingFungus> ooh, burn him, burn him!
22:07:49 <PleasingFungus> kramin: i'd also recommend "tempmut weak device healing"
22:07:56 <twelwe> yall couldnt handle 100% good ideas in gdd anyway
22:08:02 <Brannock> think of our workload!
22:08:56 <Brannock> welcome to the 0.20 season CanOfWorms
22:09:01 * Brannock cracks a whip
22:09:11 <CanOfWorms> you know, it *just* started snowing here
22:09:24 <CanOfWorms> also, a thought while I was playing vpee
22:09:31 <twelwe> can there be a SA style `think about what you`re doing!` warning before posting in gdd? a warning telling you to review your dumb post and check a box saying `this is the best i could do`
22:09:31 <Brannock> this is one of my favorite times of year, when we get just enough snow to have tendrils of white all over the green/brown grass
22:09:34 <Brannock> it's very nordic
22:09:41 <CanOfWorms> add hexes to petrify, add it to the En book, then remove confuse and add it to AM
22:10:04 <Brannock> petrify isn't already hexes?
22:10:07 <CanOfWorms> no
22:10:09 <Brannock> huh
22:10:09 <CanOfWorms> earth/tmut
22:10:21 <CanOfWorms> it's a very good stabbing spell now
22:10:25 <Brannock> En is already thinly spread skill-wise
22:10:36 <Brannock> not sure if adding Earth/Tmut would help
22:10:45 <PleasingFungus> i think wormcan is saying
22:10:49 <PleasingFungus> make it earth/tmut/hexes
22:10:52 <Brannock> yeah
22:11:04 <CanOfWorms> you can drop it by a level if you need to reduce the xp requirements
22:11:12 <Brannock> you already have mephitic cloud which is conj/poison along with hexes
22:11:24 <CanOfWorms> having it 3 schools will keep the spellpower in check
22:11:25 <CanOfWorms> it's uh
22:11:25 <Brannock> er, conj/poison/air
22:11:25 <CanOfWorms> conj/pois/air...
22:11:25 <Brannock> not hexes
22:12:32 <CanOfWorms> and the thing about En is that it's only xp hungry if you try to get a stabbing build online
22:13:04 <amalloy> i somehow managed to hit myself with dazzling spray, without the game even offering me a y/n
22:13:06 <CanOfWorms> but it's not really a requirement with confuse, you can just pick up a trident or quarterstaff
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22:13:18 <CanOfWorms> and hit things with 0 skill
22:13:29 <twelwe> did yall hit a crystal wall?
22:13:51 <amalloy> no, i was in orc:$
22:14:04 <amalloy> i did perhaps bounce it off an orcish idol, but i don't think that's supposed to happen?
22:14:15 <Brannock> I don't think idols reflect
22:14:16 <Brannock> do they?
22:14:35 <PleasingFungus> oh
22:14:44 <PleasingFungus> amalloy: were you right next to a wall or other solid thing
22:14:49 <PleasingFungus> there was an old bug...
22:14:54 <PleasingFungus> though i thought wheals fixed it
22:14:57 <amalloy> right next to an idol
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22:15:21 <wheals> i hope that the latest bounce bugfix didn't break that
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22:17:32 <amalloy> i can repro it in wizmode
22:17:37 <PleasingFungus> are you shooting diagonally
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22:17:53 <amalloy> PleasingFungus: spectate wizamalloy on cao
22:18:20 <amalloy> i target the orc two tiles west of me, and it hits myself
22:18:31 <amalloy> probably because the diagonal shot hits the idol?
22:18:34 <PleasingFungus> ya
22:20:50 <amalloy> ha, i just noticed my wizmode char's title is "the Plane Slider". good title
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22:31:41 <gammafunk> !lm amalloy
22:31:42 <Sequell> 7703. [2016-11-21 01:27:58] amalloy the Fencer (L15 FoCj of Fedhas) killed Nessos on turn 32809. (D:13)
22:32:01 <gammafunk> wow, that looks like a nem choice that went unfinished
22:32:06 <amalloy> yeah, i just haven't ahd time to play a whole game
22:32:47 <amalloy> or, well, not while recording it anyway
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22:33:08 <PleasingFungus> it's like they say... "good fencers make good neighbors"
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22:33:23 <gammafunk> thanks, dad
22:33:35 <PleasingFungus> the joke is that there's no actual joke
22:33:47 <gammafunk> thanks, metadad
22:34:54 <CanOfWorms> i never metadad that didn't like a good pun
22:34:58 <PleasingFungus> !!!!!
22:35:03 <PleasingFungus> crown this man our king
22:38:57 <CanOfWorms> pf: did you leave bai suzhen as a +0 sda on purpose?
22:39:25 <PleasingFungus> .....
22:39:57 <PleasingFungus> fuck
22:40:22 <Brannock> sorry, what should she have?
22:40:27 <CanOfWorms> storm dragon armour
22:40:43 <Brannock> is that not what she has right now?
22:40:47 <Brannock> oh, armour, scales
22:40:48 <Brannock> ?
22:40:58 <PleasingFungus> i gave plusses to Xtahua and Snorg's hides
22:41:00 <CanOfWorms> yeah, haven't gotten used to using the new terms yet :v
22:41:01 <twelwe> are people who put of fences really called fencers?
22:41:12 <PleasingFungus> twelwe: i want to say yes but i forget
22:41:18 <Brannock> does someone extremely smart feel like helping me with monster upheaval? otherwise I think I'll finish this tomorrow and miss out on today's commit storm
22:41:28 <PleasingFungus> twelwe: they might be called "fence installers"... :(
22:41:32 <Brannock> I'm having issues with beam.cc
22:41:37 <twelwe> what can i do to help brannock
22:41:39 <PleasingFungus> or "fence contractors", etc
22:41:52 <PleasingFungus> Brannock: depends on the time zone!
22:41:56 <amalloy> Brannock: you have to suffer a little longer so that you can come up with some more quites for ??beam.cc
22:42:06 <Brannock> twelwe, do you understand Grunt's upheaval code and beam.cc?
22:42:19 <Brannock> because the two are colliding
22:42:21 <Brannock> I managed to machete Grunt's code into something that I *think* should work
22:42:23 <Brannock> for monster spells, anyway
22:42:35 <Brannock> it's not, though.
22:42:47 <twelwe> i was thinking more about encouragement, not coding
22:42:59 <Brannock> ??beam.cc
22:42:59 <Sequell> beam.cc[1/5]: Q: What's the difference between a bolt and a beam?  A: One leg is both the same.
22:43:45 <twelwe> i could maybe help you try a little harder?
22:43:52 <Brannock> you can send me your spirit energy
22:43:58 <Brannock> and I'll genki dama this whole branch
22:44:09 <twelwe> there has to be some good scientology quotes here somewhere
22:44:12 <amalloy> ??beam.cc[$
22:44:12 <Sequell> beam.cc[5/5]: <amalloy> i tried to fix that once but got into a spooky twilight zone realm of beam.cc or something
22:44:33 <amalloy> you only become a true devteam member when you complain about beam.cc
22:45:39 <twelwe> ok i found one  `Greatness does not stem from savage wars or being known.  It stems from being true to one's own decency, from going on helping others whatever they do or think or say and despite all savage acts against one; to persevere without changing one's basic attitude toward man.` whatever thqt means
22:45:55 <PleasingFungus> oh, there were some pull requests i was gonna merge
22:46:13 <Brannock> why in the world is BEAM_RANDOM out of range for BEAM_NONE+1 to BEAM_FIRST_PSEUDO. No, it says flavour of 0... but I set that flavour.
22:46:58 <Cheibriados> 03johnny002 07* 0.19-a0-1739-gffe185b: Allow control over curses color rendering assumptions. 10(8 weeks ago, 6 files, 581+ 114-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ffe185b45b88
22:46:58 <Cheibriados> 03johnny002 07* 0.19-a0-1740-g3cdf1d8: skill_menu.cc: Avoid color clashes with darkgrey. 10(8 weeks ago, 2 files, 9+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3cdf1d872d14
22:46:58 <Cheibriados> 03johnny002 07* 0.19-a0-1741-gb753e76: Only brighten skill colours for skills which are actively training. 10(8 weeks ago, 1 file, 7+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b753e76eeb5f
22:46:58 <Cheibriados> 03johnny002 07* 0.19-a0-1742-g5bac298: Lua options: Correct the binding name for allow_extended_colours. 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5bac29812474
22:46:58 <Cheibriados> 03johnny002 07* 0.19-a0-1743-gaa426e4: libunix.cc: Allow changing color depth during gameplay. 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 218+ 46-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aa426e4d7389
22:46:58 <Cheibriados> 03johnny002 07* 0.19-a0-1744-g5152dc3: libunix.cc: Fix some bogus algebra in the setup_colour_pairs() notes. 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5152dc309f12
22:46:58 <Cheibriados> 03johnny002 07* 0.19-a0-1745-g6cc5790: libunix.cc: Don't avoid creating pairs with the same fg/bg color. 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 20+ 73-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6cc5790b9b61
22:46:58 <Cheibriados> 03johnny002 07* 0.19-a0-1746-gc5c554d: libunix.cc: Checkwhite and unbrace. 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 9+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c5c554d46353
22:46:58 <Cheibriados> 03johnny002 07* 0.19-a0-1747-g85cf057: libunix.cc: Do not simply reverse the default pair in flip_colour(). 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 22+ 27-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/85cf057e1d23
22:46:58 <Cheibriados> 03johnny002 07* 0.19-a0-1748-gcdd9768: libunix.cc: Fix rendering on monochrome terminals. 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 22+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cdd9768d0802
22:46:58 <Cheibriados> ... and 13 more commits
22:48:12 <Brannock> did you mean to push that to 0.19?
22:48:22 <PleasingFungus> um
22:48:24 <PleasingFungus> fuck
22:48:26 <PleasingFungus> why did it go there
22:49:07 <PleasingFungus> hm
22:49:19 <PleasingFungus> git pull on a local 0.19 doesn't find it
22:49:32 <Brannock> Might be a Chei display thing?
22:49:37 <PleasingFungus> i think it's chei, yeah
22:49:40 <PleasingFungus> spooky
22:49:52 <PleasingFungus> probably because it's chronologically before the 0.19 branch?
22:50:08 <Brannock> probably yeah
22:50:24 <Brannock> I think it's because you merged a pull request instead of committing it directly
22:50:28 <Brannock> so it got shuffled in before the tag
22:50:46 <PleasingFungus> is PR 368 going anywhere?
22:50:59 <Brannock> I doubt it
22:51:02 <Brannock> that one's been sitting for months
22:51:39 <twelwe> do yall even use the dev wiki anymore?
22:51:42 <Brannock> yes
22:51:57 <Brannock> twelwe, https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.20_plan gaze upon its majesty
22:52:03 <PleasingFungus> Brannock: imo brutally close it (with a comment)
22:53:00 <Brannock> the new description isn't great anyway
22:53:34 <geekosaur> ffs gmail what did you just do
22:54:33 <PleasingFungus> twelwe: you were saying the other day that most of the dev wiki has been untouched and un-looked-at for years, and, yeah, that's true
22:54:40 <PleasingFungus> i think wheals maybe gets notifications for wiki changes?
22:55:02 <wheals> no, i got rid of that rss feed since it was mostly spam edits
22:55:10 <wheals> especially after we moved the manual out of it
22:55:16 <PleasingFungus> rip
22:55:19 <PleasingFungus> so yeah it's pretty dead
22:56:00 <twelwe> i need to get my god in .20 to win a bet but if the wiki doesn`t help it get in then forget it
22:56:28 <PleasingFungus> it won't help, ya.
22:56:35 <PleasingFungus> CHANNEL POLL: should uniques always drop corpses & hides
22:56:44 <Brannock> yes to the latter
22:56:47 <Brannock> unsure about former
22:56:57 <PleasingFungus> uniques with hides*, i guess
22:57:22 <gammafunk> seems odd to me that they'd be an exception
22:57:22 <PleasingFungus> hides only come from corpses. it just wouldn't make sense otherwise
22:57:22 <twelwe> robin always drops his helm
22:57:28 <CanOfWorms> her
22:57:29 <gammafunk> that's equipment that it always gets
22:57:34 <Brannock> actually, a better question
22:57:34 <PleasingFungus> well
22:57:38 <Brannock> why don't monsters always drop corpses?
22:57:41 <PleasingFungus> the helmet is specifically intended as loot
22:57:52 <CanOfWorms> brannock: where do you think kiku gets his corpses
22:57:52 <PleasingFungus> just like the uniques' hides currently are
22:57:56 <Brannock> lol
22:57:59 <PleasingFungus> nice
22:58:09 <Brannock> Kikubaaqudgha appreciates your unwilling sacrifice.
22:58:10 <twelwe> doesnt that felid always drop a corpse?
22:58:13 <Brannock> yes
22:58:21 <PleasingFungus> really?
22:58:25 <geekosaur> not always, no
22:58:28 <Brannock> really?
22:58:29 <twelwe> should be able to skin the felid and make a sling
22:58:30 <PleasingFungus> haha
22:58:36 <geekosaur> about as often as any other monster in my experience
22:58:37 <Brannock> I don't think I've ever seen Natasha not drop a kitty
22:58:43 <gammafunk> I think making them always drop a corpse because they have special loot is weird
22:58:44 <CanOfWorms> the +2 sling {Natasha}
22:58:47 <PleasingFungus> yeah, she doesn't
22:58:47 <geekosaur> it's more likely because she gets 3 chances
22:58:49 <PleasingFungus> i just tested
22:58:54 <twelwe> i put money on natasha always drops a corpse
22:58:54 <Brannock> I am wrong, then
22:59:09 <twelwe> $12
22:59:11 <PleasingFungus> twelwe: you lose
22:59:36 <twelwe> lame ass bets
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23:00:11 <PleasingFungus> lol
23:00:15 <PleasingFungus> you wouldn't be saying that if you'd won
23:00:24 <twelwe> yeah but some other jackass would
23:00:44 <twelwe> i`m no good with prop bets
23:01:01 <Brannock> Hello, my name is Brannock, and welcome to Jackass
23:02:17 <twelwe> lets bet on how old pf thinks brannock is. write down a number pf and we`ll guess
23:03:24 <gammafunk> no one in this channel is a day above 12yearsold
23:03:46 <gammafunk> just going by forensic analysis of irc messages
23:04:03 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-145-g70fc19a: Give Bai Suzhen bonus scales enchant (CanOfWorms) 10(78 seconds ago, 1 file, 12+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/70fc19a0fd25
23:04:09 <Brannock> I'm a Stone Soup elemental. I was born the day this fork was created
23:04:23 <gammafunk> Bai, Suzhen!
23:04:24 <gammafunk> heh
23:04:25 <Brannock> I GOT UPHEAVAL WORKING
23:04:29 <Brannock> WOOOO
23:04:31 <Brannock> BEAM.CC IS DEFEATED
23:04:33 <gammafunk> upwhatnow
23:05:13 <twelwe> i knew you could be encouraged into figuring it out. it was the scientology quote, right?
23:05:22 <Brannock> my thetans powered up
23:05:35 <geekosaur> another qazualty of beam.cc
23:05:35 <twelwe> um thetans inhibit you
23:05:43 <twelwe> everyone knows this
23:06:10 <twelwe> you overcame a body thetan
23:06:51 <geekosaur> (you only think you defeated it. it always comes back stronger)
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23:08:50 <twelwe> is upheaval that thing that looks like xoms conjugated buttspray?
23:09:21 <Brannock> It's a monster version of Upheaval, for a new draconian job: stormcallers
23:09:23 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-144-g19b4cc5 (34)
23:09:31 <Brannock> I have to do some more testing on this though because current spellbook is OP
23:10:05 <twelwe> i want to help & don`t know how
23:10:49 <twelwe> there must be a way i can help, more scientology quotes?
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23:26:27 <PleasingFungus> twelwe: you could make a vault
23:26:28 <PleasingFungus> vaults are fun
23:27:16 <PleasingFungus> !tell marvinpa very not sure about https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/388 . it's not as bad as an idea as it looked on first glance (very bad!) but i'm still not sure it has enough meat to justify itself
23:27:17 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know.
23:27:57 <Brannock> #-dev poll: is it flavorful / desirable for stormcallers to inflict collateral damage with Upheaval?
23:28:12 <Brannock> Or should I put in a "don't damage allies" check a la monster fireball?
23:28:18 <PleasingFungus> you should, yes.
23:28:35 <PleasingFungus> fire a tracer
23:28:46 <Brannock> Given how dracs tend to swarm the player in Zot, and stormcallers summoning drakes/dragons, that might end up meaning Upheaval is never cast
23:29:04 <agolden> PleasingFungus: I’m in favor of it.  There should definitely be a whole Maxwell’s set.
23:29:13 <PleasingFungus> the problem there is that upheaval is going to end up being counterproductive
23:29:34 <PleasingFungus> agolden: took a moment to realize you weren't the same a-name
23:29:41 <Brannock> maybe I'll make it respect permanents, but blast summons?
23:29:41 <PleasingFungus> also imo we already have too many maxwells...
23:29:54 <Brannock> We have the armor, and the helmet
23:29:54 <agolden> gah, I keep logging in as the wrong nick
23:29:54 <PleasingFungus> sounds very weird
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23:30:00 <PleasingFungus> haha
23:31:11 <Brannock> currently debating with r-i about the merits of it doing collateral damage vs. it doing a *lot* of damage
23:31:17 <Brannock> this spell is Almost There
23:31:19 <Brannock> I wanna get it finished
23:31:50 <PleasingFungus> grunt would be proud
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23:34:08 <Brannock> maybe we'll just thin out draconian packs
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23:35:37 <Brannock> or maybe I'll just finish this tomorrow morning when I'm thinking clearly
23:35:39 <Brannock> rip commit storm
23:36:10 <PleasingFungus> that seems wiser
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23:41:25 <ebering> twelwe: just keep working on PT your genius is wasted on these half time jokers
23:41:25 <chequers> geekosaur: aegolden: it sounds like supporting 10.10+ is a heck of a lot easier than supporting older versions
23:41:43 <geekosaur> it is, for now at least
23:41:46 <chequers> why not put up a version with support only for what's easy and have a 'contact us if you use an older mac' link?
23:41:48 <twelwe> my last pt patchnotes got totally ignored
23:41:49 <geekosaur> apple can change things at any time (and does)
23:42:10 <chequers> because, based on the steampowered survey, 10.9 and older share is <5%
23:42:16 <ebering> i read them
23:42:18 <chequers> for dcss the numbers might be different, of course
23:44:16 <PleasingFungus> losing 5% of the market doesn't seem ideal
23:44:26 <PleasingFungus> the vast, profitable old os x downloads market
23:45:04 <chequers> yes ideally dcss would compile for literally every OS / version
23:45:51 <rchandra> right PleasingFungus, that logic might kill crawl if applied further!
23:46:04 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-146-g49b0324: Display odds for Confusing Touch/Fungus Form 10(2 minutes ago, 7 files, 39+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/49b03240327b
23:46:10 <PleasingFungus> what logic
23:46:10 <Brannock> logic bomb...
23:46:18 <rchandra> giving up on the 5%
23:46:19 <minmay> bring back dos support
23:46:37 <gammafunk> can't believe you're not running Windows ME yet
23:46:44 <gammafunk> wheals can tell you about all the amazing upgrades
23:47:08 <rchandra> for example, of online players fewer than 8% of games are in console
23:47:12 <chequers> i'm still mad direct x 9 didn't support windows me
23:47:29 <PleasingFungus> yo, chequers, did you see mpa's response in #390?
23:47:42 <minmay> i'm mad wine doesn't support directx 11
23:48:27 <chequers> PleasingFungus: oh yeah, i was just going to remove the line if that's the only problem
23:48:54 <PleasingFungus> i haven't taken a proper look
23:49:12 <PleasingFungus> just trying to find low hanging pull request fruit
23:49:48 <ebering> if gammafunk isn't looking you could add more crabs
23:49:58 <Brannock> no more crabs
23:50:10 <PleasingFungus> ??crab rule
23:50:10 <Sequell> crab rule[1/1]: no more crabs.
23:50:13 <chequers> PleasingFungus: ok i've removed the attempted highlight. It just adds orb status help and the orb status light when you're in zot
23:50:24 <PleasingFungus> cool
23:50:45 <aegolden> chequers: geekosaur: I still don’t quite get what the issue with the clock_gettime method is… I believe I can make it build *nominally* targetting 10.7 on my 10.12 machine, but maybe it won’t run properly on older systems.
23:51:00 <aegolden> geekosaur: if I post some builds could you test them on your VMs?
23:51:16 <Cheibriados> 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/390 * 0.20-a0-17-g05ba4c6: Add the orb status light whenever in Zot 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 11+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/05ba4c6dde25
23:51:19 <aegolden> just to see what kinds of things might work and what definitely doesn’t work?
23:51:20 <geekosaur> people have usually had major problems with it
23:51:22 <chequers> if out of all the OSX nerds in ##crawl and ##crawl-dev nobody has a 10.7 machine to test with, I'm gonna claim they don't exist in the wild
23:51:47 <PleasingFungus> 392/394 are kind of cool but my lord, that code
23:52:05 <PleasingFungus> if ((x + i) < mx && (y + j) < my && (x + i) >= 0 && (y + j) >= 0)
23:52:06 <chequers> hehe
23:52:13 <Brannock> please
23:52:23 <Brannock> don't subject me to that
23:52:29 <Brannock> I'm getting flashbacks
23:52:31 <Brannock> to tutoring peers
23:52:31 <chequers> it's cool that they could show it working on a real live server, since it's just JS
23:52:49 <geekosaur> I would like to believe Apple finally decided to make this work properly, but past history does not make me confident and the clock_gettime thing isn't helping. (But, again, that does not *always* show up, it's only some things that call it. Not like libSystem automatically makes such a call, or binaries would Just Work since libSystem is what Apple installed on your machine...)
23:54:57 <Cheibriados> 03chequers02 07* 0.20-a0-67-g9e2464e: Simplify demonic guardian spawning/despawning 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 2+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e2464e73876
23:54:57 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 {GitHub} 07* 0.20-a0-148-gb6cfb21: Merge pull request #398 from alexjurkiewicz/dguardian-mechanics 10(8 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b6cfb217b251
23:55:31 <PleasingFungus> chequers: your orb branch has conflicts... do you want to sort them out or should i
23:55:47 <chequers> i iwll
23:55:52 <PleasingFungus> nice
23:55:53 <geekosaur> this also means there are some projects that worked fine with xcode 8 until they changed something and it started throwing the clock_gettime error when run
23:55:58 <chequers> wow... dguardian was the one I assumed nobody would merge
23:55:58 <gammafunk> !cmd !time
23:55:59 <Sequell> Built-in: !time => https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/commands/xtime.py
23:56:09 <chequers> who wants to be responsible for more demonspawn mutation changes from me
23:56:37 <Brannock> chequers, is your PR about powered by death still open?
23:56:41 <Brannock> I have two very recent Ds wins with PbD
23:56:44 <Brannock> and it scales ridiculously
23:56:55 <chequers> yes, the nerf is still open
23:57:06 <PleasingFungus> chequers: really? it seemed benign... did you just trick me?
23:57:07 <chequers> i think it's a nerf
23:57:08 <PleasingFungus> again?
23:57:10 <chequers> it's been so long...
23:57:13 <PleasingFungus> i keep regretting merging your PRs
23:57:17 <PleasingFungus> specifically ds prs
23:57:18 <Brannock> its' nto so much a nerf as it is moving lategame power into early game
23:57:20 <chequers> PleasingFungus: no no, it'll be fine, I'm sure
23:57:24 <Brannock> early game PbD is worthless
23:57:25 <PleasingFungus> i'm very scared
23:57:30 <Brannock> late game PbD lets you mulch entire packs
23:57:33 <chequers> Brannock: that sounds like, uh, a buff
23:57:53 <chequers> PleasingFungus: fixed the orb pr
23:58:24 <chequers> PleasingFungus: yeah nah i think it's fine. specifically the buff part is that it makes dguardian level 1 & 2 spawn more often
23:58:45 <PleasingFungus> yeah i should probably revert that
23:58:49 <PleasingFungus> i was undecided
23:58:58 <gammafunk> R E M O V E
23:59:00 <chequers> PleasingFungus: my experience was that 1 spawned about enough already but it's pretty much irrelevant so spawning a bit more is nbd, but 2 was a little rare
23:59:23 <chequers> white imp reasons
23:59:26 <PleasingFungus> that's mutlevel*6 -> mutlevel*mutlevel*3?
23:59:55 <gammafunk> people want to buff dguardian?