00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:29 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-59-g66a9409 (34) 00:02:05 Stable (0.19) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19.0-20-gbc5f0c6 00:05:15 good gratz on your win 00:06:16 !lg bcb won 00:06:17 2. twelwe the Axe Maniac (L27 MiBe of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2016-11-08 20:10:11, with 3117754 points after 46780 turns and 3:41:39. 00:06:25 wow, what an axe maniac 00:06:44 I still can't win one of those challenge combos 00:10:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:10:55 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:12:14 hell yeha nor i 00:12:19 -!- ZiBuDo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:12:38 -!- Awod has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:17:35 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:47 -!- aegolden has quit [Quit: aegolden] 00:31:56 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:32:04 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:10 who is HangedMan? 00:34:46 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:34:47 -!- tw12we has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:34:47 the artist now known as regret-index 00:34:58 I found his wizlab 00:35:08 I'm blaming him if I splat 00:44:30 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:47:54 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:47:54 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:49:46 Wow what a trippy place 00:49:51 give regret-index my regards 00:52:25 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:08 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 00:54:27 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:46 regret-index! I wanted to give you props 00:54:50 !learn edit roulette_of_golubria[1] s| Give feedback.*!|| 00:54:50 roulette of golubria[1/2]: Wizlab. Abyss-themed, contains a teleporter roulette, tloc-themed/abyss-escape loot, and pretty good cloaks (shrouds). 00:55:55 :) 00:55:59 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:06 i guess it's pretty old now 00:56:21 lol 00:57:47 planning on merging bosch when the tourney ends, by the way. speak up if, say, you don't want / hate me for setting draining to be isolated to 16% of tar effects 00:57:54 -!- regret-index has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:58:33 %git be3ef02 00:58:33 07evilmike02 * 0.11-a0-1050-gbe3ef02: Golubria wizlab. (HangedMan) 10(4 years, 7 months ago, 2 files, 215+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/be3ef0294f3d 00:58:46 ??bosch 00:58:47 I don't have a page labeled bosch in my learndb. 00:58:56 %git bosch 00:58:56 07MarvinPA02 {GitHub} * 0.20-a0-7-g6596e2e: Really(?) fix debug builds 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6596e2e689db 00:59:06 hm, did you push it to a branch? 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:34 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:06 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:09:59 %git bosch 01:09:59 07MarvinPA02 {GitHub} * 0.20-a0-7-g6596e2e: Really(?) fix debug builds 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6596e2e689db 01:10:03 need to read through some of that 01:10:13 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19.0-20-gbc5f0c6 (34) 01:14:33 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:58 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:17 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:19:53 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:19:58 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-59-g66a9409 (34) 01:22:49 tvern is getting spammed 01:22:49 chequers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:23:36 -!- Nino_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:27:57 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:33:07 I'm getting this warning while build on CPO: 01:33:07 initfile.cc: In member function ‘const std::vector game_options::build_options_list()’: 01:33:11 initfile.cc:119:16: warning: unused variable ‘USING_LOCAL_TILES’ [-Wunused-variable] 01:33:14 const bool USING_LOCAL_TILES = 01:33:16 ^ 01:33:19 (While building the experimental god branch, but I don't think it's related) 01:33:20 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:37:30 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49:52 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:53:46 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:56:48 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:59 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-59-g66a9409 01:59:57 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:49 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 02:06:57 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07:08 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:26 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:49 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:22:37 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:57 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:23:27 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:24:41 any good chat vibes? 02:28:01 omg chequers put the new god up on CPO 02:28:42 new god? 02:29:13 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22158 02:29:38 we`ve only been working on it for like 48 hours! 02:29:55 so much for 'not being into hosting experimentals' 02:30:19 not for hosting YOUR experimentals 02:30:38 i`m gonna play a tengu longblade user and dodge everything..... fuck yeah 02:30:47 gotta figure out putty for this server 02:30:51 sorry 02:30:52 no ssh 02:30:55 tiles only 02:31:00 ahhh really? 02:31:10 can you compile a windows version for me maybe? 02:31:23 oh, you can do pre easy yourself 02:31:32 ??install 02:31:32 install[1/1]: See the following for installation and compilation: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt 02:31:34 i`m on a 9 year old acer with .99gb of ram 02:31:47 well it don't matter all that much 02:31:55 if you can run crawl you can compile it 02:32:06 it's nice to be able to test your own design, after all 02:32:10 and you can use wiz mode 02:33:17 i tried this once, PF tried to walk me through it and he shot himself in the head 02:33:37 sure, but PF's strength isn't helping people compile things on windows 02:33:41 i will pay you to compile and email a copy to me https://github.com/alexjurkiewicz/crawl-ref/commits/soul-anchor 02:33:58 what you need to do is start at 02:34:16 aw shit 02:34:18 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt#L228 02:34:20 my type of god 02:34:26 stand your ground and FIGHT 02:34:36 download msys2 from the url, run installer, then follow from there, let me know if you have questions 02:34:44 ok 02:35:24 problem: i am on windows xp 02:35:26 twelwe: there's a bit of instructions on lines 250-274 you can skip now, updating shortcuts 02:35:36 MSYS2 can't be installed on FAT* partitions. Current MSYS2 can't be installed on Windows XP anymore. 02:35:43 wow 02:35:45 this is a 9 year old acer 02:35:54 yeah that's a doozy 02:36:07 we need to get a newer computer for twelwe 02:36:18 you're in wheals territory 02:36:18 i have a new computer but its broken 02:36:26 i like my acer 02:36:31 he only upgraded from XP like 6 or 8 mo ago 02:36:32 it runs putty and thats all i need it to do 02:37:05 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:37:07 agh dangit i gotta try the webtiles, see if that will work 02:37:22 well sorry, you'll have to have chequers cross compile; it's actually easy to do windows build if you have an OS that's not 15 years old 02:37:30 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:49 yeah I've played tiles recently being a console player 02:37:54 you get used to it soon enough 02:38:14 oh and isn't there that hybrid option you can do 02:38:19 so it does glyphs in webtiles? 02:38:25 I think you could do that, would help a lot 02:38:33 ??options 02:38:33 rcfile[1/4]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt 02:38:34 how can i set that up? 02:39:52 twelwe: add tile_display_mode = glyphs 02:39:54 to your rc 02:40:00 ok i`m gonna do that right now 02:40:17 omg i gotta post it on SA too and get everyone to play with me 02:40:23 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:40:27 there's also hybrid 02:40:36 which uses glyphs but webtiles status overlay stuff 02:40:37 sorry team 02:40:57 it's ok just less cash bonus for wins 02:42:49 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:45:01 so i started worshipping wundvrond and now i cant move 02:45:17 You can't move that far away from your soul anchor! 02:45:29 lol 02:45:54 well you need to come up with a plan, escu 02:46:02 and i didnt get the active abilities 02:48:03 start with a monk or something 02:48:08 i did 02:48:17 but im stuck on the altar 02:49:01 prove your devotion! 02:50:44 true to typo form, i always spell wundvrong 02:51:41 so much latency! agh dangit 02:52:01 rc file editing isn`t working either 02:53:15 oh really? 02:53:29 &rc twelwe trunk cpo 02:53:30 https://crawl.project357.org/rc-files/trunk/twelwe.rc 02:53:41 twelwe: what account? 02:53:48 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 02:53:49 the name is twelwe 02:54:00 oh, wonder if he has a different url there 02:54:10 ah yeah 02:54:45 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-59-g66a9409 02:54:53 well, I can't check your rc 02:54:59 you don't have one for trunk 02:55:03 I think it's using that? 02:55:51 ah, i`l check 02:56:45 this browser is all sorts of messed up, can`t edit that either. no big deal though, just gonna wrk with the tiles and wonky shit like footstep trail and pressing ey instead of just e 02:57:30 oh 02:57:45 i saved and came back and now i can move 02:57:46 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:57:55 ...for now 02:58:07 ah 02:58:17 went up the stairs from temple and im stuck again 02:58:27 looks like the aura isnt following me properly or something 02:58:28 that was my guess as to what would happen 02:59:23 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:59:36 did you compile yourself? any chance i can get a copy? 02:59:46 im playing on cpo 02:59:50 ah ok 03:00:01 thanks for trying it! 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:15 :) 03:00:24 you better upgrade that computer 03:00:34 I'm going to add OS detection on every server 03:00:40 windows XP will be rejected 03:01:37 i just moved to seattle, upgrading my computer is the lowest priority right now 03:01:45 just give 50% XP for anyone connecting from windows 03:02:04 send me good coffee and I'll consider compiling then 03:03:15 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:03:44 ok 03:10:09 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:12:06 -!- sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:18:26 hmm i found a d:2 altar and had the same issue, however saving and returning made it work. still, no active abilities! 03:18:27 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:15 gonna try as a non monk 03:19:20 i looked at the commit and it doesn't look like any of the abilities are in there 03:19:45 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:19:46 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:38 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 03:22:13 hmm i better cut out the posts about it being playable then 03:22:43 yeah it seems pretty incomplete 03:23:25 Wundvrond? 03:24:14 Hope I didn't come out as too harsh with my criticism :) I think there are some good ideas in there. Good luck with the testing. 03:24:43 Stable (0.19) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19.0-20-gbc5f0c6 03:25:33 nothing is too harsh, we want criticism. I did not realize the state of the upload, should have chequed with chequers first 03:25:59 -!- Idolo has quit [] 03:27:57 Out of curiosity; who did you talk to in order to host in CPO? I'll probably be looking forward to host IJC at some point (after the tournament, least these guys tell me to get lost, deservedly) ^^ 03:28:43 it might be chequers server, who helped me come up with the god 03:28:53 oh, gotcha 03:28:58 chequers runs CPO 03:32:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:34:29 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:35:08 -!- bgiannan_ is now known as bgiannan 03:37:25 On a side note, can someone give me a hint on how to make a specific projectile always go through a specific monster? 03:37:45 And also to suppress the "Do you want to fire through your friendly XXX"? 03:37:55 I suppose I should look at Fedhas but I don't know where to start 03:38:05 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-59-g66a9409 (34) 03:38:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:41:47 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 03:43:31 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:44:09 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:47:02 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:53:10 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:55:24 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:58:09 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10:54 -!- sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:14:09 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:23:05 SteelNeuron: johnstein is known to host experimental gods on cbro 04:23:35 and that server is reachable by lots of players 04:23:46 he wouldn't do so until after tourney, but you should talk to him 04:23:59 gammafunk: Talked to him about it :) he told me he'd help me out after the tournament, but that it would make it way easier for him if there was a branch in the official repo 04:24:08 oh, yeah 04:24:31 I think someone can help doing that, I haven't looked at the god myself, but PleasingFungus or Lasty might be willing to 04:25:12 I'm working on such exciting projects as des map marshalling 04:25:17 Haha 04:25:17 can't tear myself away... 04:25:23 Yeah I'll be bothering people after the 20th then 04:25:28 Good thing is, I've had a lot of time to iron the god out 04:25:37 I can't find any obvious bugs right now 04:25:59 It's still missing penance, which I want to work in this weekends, and graphics for the skill icons which ontoclasm may help me with 04:31:02 Lasty's feedback impacted the final design of the god a lot, so I'm sure I can coerce him into helping me get that branch ;) 04:33:50 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:43:31 -!- chris2schill has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:45:42 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:46:21 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:48:57 -!- Shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:50:34 -!- insecticide15 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:08:22 -!- protopulse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:11:58 -!- greenangel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:13:34 hi 05:14:10 yes, the W branch that is up has only the conduct, no benefits 05:22:25 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:37:17 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 05:46:06 -!- insecticide15 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:46:41 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01:12 -!- lvh has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:01:29 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:14:37 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:20:39 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:21:18 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:24:31 git diff 06:24:34 dammit 06:37:16 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:37:24 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 06:47:01 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:50:19 git rebase -gammafunk -force 06:58:36 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:15:15 -!- tw_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:17:47 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:18:23 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:21:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:22:58 -!- insecticide15 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:24:36 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:33:56 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:36:15 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:36:32 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:48 -!- CrawlWall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:47:53 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:49:22 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:04:27 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05:30 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:09:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:14:17 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:16:45 Stable (0.19) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19.0-20-gbc5f0c6 08:37:52 -!- cut_lass has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:41:33 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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timeout: 256 seconds] 11:13:51 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:37 -!- Nino_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:20:56 -!- nino_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:23:39 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:41 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:44 johnstein: i think it's a pull request 11:27:46 i forget 11:29:46 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 11:36:08 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:37:43 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:38:16 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:43:46 -!- ilyak has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:50:54 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:56:05 -!- flappity_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:58:13 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:58:48 -!- chris2schill has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:07 yea I know it's a pull request. wasn't sure if it had been pulled into its own branch in the main 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15:18:21 -!- Nino_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:22:30 !tell pleasingfungus writing up the things that all the forms do for ?/T is a working as a very strong encouragement to remove a whole bunch of the weird things that forms do 15:22:31 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 15:24:55 More flavorbotomy? 15:25:24 !tell pleasingfungus (eg, did you know that porcupine form melds all equipment including rings and amulets, but pigform does not meld amulets!) 15:25:24 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 15:25:31 that's some quality flavour right there, yes 15:26:34 hamulets... 15:28:23 probably one of porcupine/pigform should not be a thing 15:28:33 i guess porcupine, because of kirke 15:35:06 Well yeah, porcupine quills make it impossible to wear omulets 15:35:07 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:30 Whereas pigs are well known for their use of amulets 15:36:48 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 15:38:10 MarvinPA: yeah, porcupine form seems really unnecessary 15:41:17 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:46:30 -!- chcl3 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:46:37 http://puu.sh/skvvC/34e4eafd16.jpg 15:46:43 dissolution?! 15:50:26 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:51:45 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:54 -!- bgiannan has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:52:05 -!- bgiannan_ is now known as bgiannan 15:52:19 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:45 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:26 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 15:57:00 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:55 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:02:11 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:12 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:07:57 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 16:08:04 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:20 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:13:18 i dont think gh->mo should be a recommended combination any more 16:13:22 now that mo can use any weapon 16:15:00 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:15:03 auto-eating doesn't seem to work with gh any more 16:15:14 it eats to fix rot, but not to stay satiated 16:15:36 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:12 that's how it's always worked for ghouls i think 16:16:36 with the reasoning that it shouldn't use up chunks you might want to save for when you do rot, i guess 16:16:41 or maybe it does work... 16:16:51 i think it eats at very hungry rather than hungry? 16:17:06 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:27 MarvinPA: yeah, porcupine form has never really had much reason to exist 16:17:39 i think it was added alongside jelly form? 16:18:09 oh, also it didn't have blood until the big form refactor a few years ago 16:18:18 but that was probably an oversight 16:18:22 they were all added in one go pretty much except fungus form, iirc (and jelly form never actually existed in real games) 16:18:39 yeah 16:18:46 oh, when was fungus form? 16:18:58 %git d2c2aaaba38c91eb23af4e08cdc6ad04df0fb702 16:18:58 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-1542-gd2c2aaa: Bad transformations: enums, messages, gear restrictions. 10(4 years, 9 months ago, 10 files, 214+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d2c2aaaba38c 16:19:09 not sure, some point later as a bh-ism iirc 16:19:12 huh 16:19:31 apparently i removed pigform oinking at some point 16:19:33 i'm a monster 16:19:36 -!- nikitamog has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:46 1learn set the_real_monster 16:19:53 terrible 16:20:09 doesn't it squeal? or was that what the change was 16:20:23 %git 1be101fd1fc43a252cdc4debf475edf0c6dba81b 16:20:23 07jpeg02 * 0.6.0-a0-127-g1be101f: Apply patch by Adam Borowski, introducing new unique enchantress Kirke. This includes a new transformation TRAN_PIG that the player can not end at will but rather will have to time out. Pigs (or rather hogs) are fast but cannot use any equipment except amulets, or cast spells. If the transformation would cause death by stat loss (due to equipment loss) the player is paralysed instead. 10(7 years ago, 23 files, 228+ 30-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1be101fd1fc4 16:20:35 kb was always the master of badforms, apparently... 16:20:43 %git d2ce7820e69898b33b2a77f97b5c90f4c5ac5739 16:20:43 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-881-gd2ce782: Remove pig oinking (rework shout/scream code) 10(2 years, 3 months ago, 3 files, 44+ 51-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d2ce7820e698 16:20:55 nice stat death specialcase there 16:21:04 rip... 16:21:33 oh, i see, pigs used to either squeal OR oink 16:21:56 in retrospect, i could've made it a vector... 16:22:33 a....vector of oinks? 16:22:45 has science gone too far? 16:22:48 contemplating 0.20 clan names 16:22:53 Vector Of Oinks 16:23:34 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:23:57 two right make a wundwrong 16:24:14 lololololol 16:24:25 MarvinPA_: did you get a chance to glance at that cloud_gen branch? i'm still not sure about the right way to invoke it from vaults 16:25:09 haven't really looked at it no, vault stuff scares me so i'm not sure how helpful i'd be :P 16:25:12 but i'll try and have a look 16:25:21 heh 16:25:31 well, no stress 16:25:40 i can always just harass gammafunk until he gives in and tells me his vaulty secrets 16:28:35 %git 1ddd267d 16:28:35 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3-g1ddd267: Don't let shadow mimics attack out-of-range enemies (8780) 10(2 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 19+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1ddd267dccda 16:28:38 !tell |amethyst 1ddd267d lol 16:28:39 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 16:30:19 %git 1ddd267d 16:30:19 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3-g1ddd267: Don't let shadow mimics attack out-of-range enemies (8780) 10(2 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 19+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1ddd267dccda 16:31:23 in my defense, that commit did what it said it did! 16:33:50 you promised a feature, and you also gave the codebase a bug! two for the price of one 16:35:20 remove a bug, add a bug 16:35:25 new ??rule imo 16:38:16 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:40 you did a very good job 16:39:27 99 bugs in the code... take one down, patch it around, 101 bugs in the code... 16:41:19 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:50:13 !nchoice 16:50:14 Time for a new nchoice! It will appear shortly on the tournament website (if it hasn't yet). Type "=nemelex XXXX" to update !nchoice with the new combo, where XXXX should be replaced by the new combo. 16:50:23 =nemelex DECK 16:50:26 !kw nchoice 16:50:26 Defined keyword: nchoice => OpWr|HEAr|KoIE|DDAE|CeVM|HOWz|GrEn|GhCj|FeAK|VSSu|DEHu|VpAK|HaSu|TeAM|SpMo|FoCj|MfEE|TrVM|DDSk|HaFE|VSAM|HOTm|GhBe|SpAE|DECK 16:50:27 Keyword: nchoice => OpWr|HEAr|KoIE|DDAE|CeVM|HOWz|GrEn|GhCj|FeAK|VSSu|DEHu|VpAK|HaSu|TeAM|SpMo|FoCj|MfEE|TrVM|DDSk|HaFE|VSAM|HOTm|GhBe|SpAE|DECK 16:50:38 !nchoice 16:50:42 DECK: 0 wins || araganzar: CAO, L14 Thaumaturge of Vehumet || edsrzf: CPO, L5 Cutter of Xom 16:50:56 !lm araganzar deck begin 16:50:57 4. [2016-11-16 20:16:54] araganzar the Slasher (L1 DECK of Xom) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 16:52:08 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:56:41 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:09 -!- nikitamog has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:09:06 -!- nivlat has quit [Client Quit] 17:15:42 looks like dynast is 4 wins away from matching theglow's t streak 17:16:01 !streak theglow 17:16:04 theglow has 18 consecutive wins (HECj, TeDK, GhMo, CeHu, MiBe, DrTm, SESt, DDEE, SpEn, FeSu, VpIE, DsVM, DgFE, HuAM, MuWz, TrSk, HaAs, HOHe). 17:17:20 &versions 0.19 17:17:29 CAO: 0.19.0-20-gbc5f0c6, CBRO: 0.19.0-20-gbc5f0c6, CDO: none, CJR: none, CPO: 0.19.0, CUE: none, CWZ: 0.19.0-2-gae57169, CXC: 0.19.0-20-gbc5f0c6, LLD: 0.19.0-19-g8c6edcc 17:18:29 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:33 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:28:26 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:29:13 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:29:30 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:30:50 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:25 Autoexplore almost killed me 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10785 by orbisvicis 17:36:21 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:39:38 -!- jwinterm has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:42:06 -!- orbisvicis has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:26 -!- protopulse has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:59 filed a bug report, would like to upload save file for reproducibility, have (for the current game) saves/*.cs, morgue/*.{lst,txt,map}, what should I upload ? 17:43:09 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:43:33 orbisvicis: is it the autoexplore/polerams bug? 17:43:36 polearms* 17:44:44 <|amethyst> Added a note 17:44:44 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:45:05 <|amethyst> oh, I guess I can copy that to 8915 17:45:33 !messages 17:45:33 No messages for orbisvicis. 17:46:18 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:46:29 !tell twelve how do you feel about the conduct severity? IMO it's pretty weak until you need to run away, then it basically says 'nope' 17:46:29 Sorry chequers, I don't know who twelve is. 17:47:38 should I bother uploading a save ? 17:47:57 PleasingFungus: yes 17:48:27 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: oh, re 1ddd267d I guess you had assumed .abs() included the square root operation, because why wouldn't it? 17:48:32 orbisvicis: no, it's a known old bug. thank you for going to the trouble of reporting, though! 17:48:56 |amethyst: i don't think i'd thought it out very far 17:48:58 ok, thanks 17:49:07 i was probably copying from something else, or grabbing the first appropriate-looking function i found 17:49:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: btw, I mentioned something in my note on that bug related to monster weapon datafication 17:49:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: "that bug" = 10875 and 8915 17:49:34 !source _mons_starts_with_ranged 17:49:36 Can't find _mons_starts_with_ranged. 17:49:43 <|amethyst> oops 17:49:46 _mons_starts_with_ranged_weapon 17:49:49 !source _mons_starts_with_ranged_weapon 17:49:49 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc#L3725 17:49:50 <|amethyst> yeah, that 17:49:57 :( 17:50:03 i remember this function 17:51:58 !tell twelwe how do you feel about the conduct severity? IMO it's pretty weak until you need to run away, then it basically says 'nope' 17:51:59 chequers: OK, I'll let twelwe know. 17:52:09 -!- orbisvicis has left ##crawl-dev 17:53:25 -!- chcl3 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:55:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 17:55:18 i wonder if the soul radius size could be simplified somehow 17:58:25 what are you thinking? 17:58:45 maybe a fixed size? not sure 17:58:49 just musing idly 17:59:00 I was thinking a) make the soul radius much smaller (eg start at half los and add 1 per *), b) do to make escaping not completely impossible 17:59:20 fixed radius of LOS could work 17:59:24 simpler to balance things if you don't have to worry about scaling :) 17:59:32 balancing both the top & the bottom of a range 17:59:36 yeah. and it's nice if the conduct isn't hardest at the start 17:59:56 -!- Nino_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:59:56 like, the conduct should get stricter as you get more powers 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:39 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 18:12:53 ??divine vigour 18:12:53 divine vigour[1/1]: Divine Vigour temporarily increases max HP and MP by 5% plus another 5% per 3 levels of invocations skill (increasing current HP and MP proportionally in the process). 18:13:35 !apt hp 18:13:35 HP: Tr: 3!, Og: 3!, Na: 2, DD: 2, Mi: 1, Ce: 1, Gh: 1, Dg: 1, Dr: 1, HO: 1, Ds: 0, Mf: 0, Vp: 0, Hu: 0, Fo: 0, Mu: 0, Op: -1, Ha: -1, HE: -1, Gr: -2, DE: -2, Te: -2, Ko: -2, Sp: -3, VS: -3, Fe: -4* 18:14:33 -!- murtidash has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:23 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:25:07 -!- Dracunos has left ##crawl-dev 18:25:35 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:57 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:32:03 -!- Awod has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:32:28 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:35:52 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 48.0.2/20160823121617]] 18:36:53 MarvinPA_: now remove berserk from chaos brand effects pls 18:36:57 (haste is fine) 18:39:56 y 18:42:19 out of all the 'negative' effects it's the only one that matters, and it matters so much it's almost never a good idea to use chaos -- which is a shame because chaos is really fun to use! 18:43:46 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:21 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52:39 -!- Xiberia has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:54:03 if out of all the negative effects it's the only one that matters 18:54:11 seems like we need to remove the negative effects 18:54:22 esp if we remove berserk 18:55:03 it might be a good question to ask: what is the intended design of the chaos brand at some point 18:55:08 er 18:55:12 s/at some point// 18:57:42 man, I can't figure out how to get vim to word wrap with indent 18:57:47 I should go ask in the vim channel 18:59:31 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:01 IMO chaos brand is sort of similar to xom, in that it does some meaningless but interesting/"funny" things 19:05:19 so I don't mind when it hastes a monster, or if it gave them agility/might 19:05:33 it's just when they get berserked that they become dangerous enough I care 19:05:41 xom also does things that are quite dangerous to the player. 19:06:51 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:56 yeah, and if you think berserk is meaningful I'm not sure how you think might is meaningless 19:09:57 it also can still poly monsters into horrifying things I think 19:10:10 which could be much worse than berserk 19:10:11 might + haste + hp seems more meaningful than might... 19:10:16 agreed re poly 19:10:37 well more meaningful yes, but then might is meaningless? 19:11:09 you can often walk away from mighted monsters 19:11:14 (though not if they were fast to begin with) 19:11:20 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:11:44 I guess it'd be easier to reason about what is reasonable for chaos brand if it had a reasonable design, but it's design is "do xom things" 19:12:07 I said reason in that sentence 19:12:08 a lot 19:12:17 but you know what? reason is good 19:12:33 imagine if chaos just did a random xom action 19:13:20 real talk, af_chaos seems like it works better as a monster-only brand 19:13:28 but I'm sure all the winscummers would protest its removal 19:13:37 er... 19:14:04 it is, for what it's worth, one of crawl's most distinct brands 19:14:16 ^winscummer 19:14:25 can you define that term for me. 19:14:37 someone who...a guy that like...well..they just... 19:14:49 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:15:19 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:15:57 I guess you could argue from a "it really interrupts the flow of combat" perspective but 19:16:09 so does the poly and really the other effects, since lots of times something like might is non-trivial 19:17:16 perhaps since it's almost as annoying as worshiping xom itself, the brand is a success...you just need to be crazy enough to use it! 19:17:44 !lg * god!= t s=god% 19:17:46 24010 games for * (god!= t): 5960x Trog (24.82%), 2930x Okawaru (12.20%), 2377x Lugonu (9.90%), 1279x Vehumet (5.33%), 1247x Makhleb (5.19%), 1224x Xom (5.10%), 1041x Cheibriados (4.34%), 806x Uskayaw (3.36%), 759x Gozag (3.16%), 758x Hepliaklqana (3.16%), 681x The Shining One (2.84%), 617x Sif Muna (2.57%), 586x Qazlal (2.44%), 573x Ashenzari (2.39%), 568x Dithmenos (2.37%), 558x Ru (2.32%), 374x... 19:18:48 !lg * god!= t !ck s=god% 19:18:51 22835 games for * (god!= t !ck): 5958x Trog (26.09%), 2925x Okawaru (12.81%), 2373x Lugonu (10.39%), 1276x Vehumet (5.59%), 1243x Makhleb (5.44%), 1041x Cheibriados (4.56%), 804x Uskayaw (3.52%), 758x Gozag (3.32%), 754x Hepliaklqana (3.30%), 658x The Shining One (2.88%), 617x Sif Muna (2.70%), 584x Qazlal (2.56%), 572x Ashenzari (2.50%), 566x Dithmenos (2.48%), 555x Ru (2.43%), 373x Beogh (1.63%)... 19:19:16 guess people mostly do xom through the ck thing 19:20:10 !lm . god.worship=xom s=class 19:20:28 6 milestones for PleasingFungus (god.worship=xom): 3x Arcane Marksman, 2x Fire Elementalist, Hunter 19:21:07 !hs * t cue 19:21:08 No games for * (t cue sc<1000000000). 19:21:10 a true maverick... 19:21:26 no sequell updates so far 19:21:36 !seen greensnark 19:21:36 I last saw greensnark at Mon Oct 24 01:31:58 2016 UTC (3w 2d 22h 49m 38s ago) joining the channel. 19:27:52 -!- chcl3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:58 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 19:38:37 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:38:52 03regret-index02 07* 0.20-a0-60-g621994a: Exhaustive vault review: lair.des 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 789+ 849-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/621994a2034c 19:38:52 03regret-index02 07* 0.20-a0-61-ga1b20b4: .des re-order: lair.des 10(37 seconds ago, 1 file, 1700+ 1694-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a1b20b497aae 19:39:16 whoa 19:39:25 like a bolt from the blue, it's the regret-index review! 19:40:31 I had a dream it would happen 19:41:06 in this Linley returned, riding on a death yak, and after looking at the des, said 19:41:29 "...and may the Moon Troll guide you all to the Great Snozzcucumber!" 19:41:44 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:36 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:42:57 -!- insecticide15 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:43:00 "water_temple"? 19:43:20 'pending known author updates'? 19:44:07 will moon trolls ever happen? 19:44:07 twelwe: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:44:15 they already did, twelwe... 19:44:20 !lg * killer="moon troll" 19:44:21 !messages 19:44:21 (1/1) chequers said (1h 52m 23s ago): how do you feel about the conduct severity? IMO it's pretty weak until you need to run away, then it basically says 'nope' 19:44:22 22. kaboom the Peltast (L21 FoFi of Okawaru), splashed by a moon troll's acid in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2016-11-16 09:38:19, with 276141 points after 47814 turns and 2:04:49. 19:45:55 chequers i think we need to reduce the radius gain and allow travel outside, maybe the stat drain and slow the player 19:46:19 I don't know why weight 5 was just arbitrarily added 19:46:34 nor what "known author updates" means 19:48:53 twelwe: yeah, travel outside the border seems important. What about tele/blink then? Do we let those go anywhere, but you're penalised until the anchor catches up? 19:49:28 well, being teleported by a monster would be very lethal if you land outside the anchor 19:50:01 but it opens the possibility of luring the dangerous monsters outside the aura, read tele, and land back in 19:50:46 gammafunk: no worries, r-i will show up in 1-2 hours to deliver a terse answer before immediately vanishing 19:50:46 i guess need to decide if it should be possible to fight outside anchor 19:50:49 :P 19:50:59 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 19:51:03 [11-05-2016 19:45] (1/1) gammafunk said (40m 33s ago): In 0.20 I'll redesign the temple to have a shell layout that'll get the player move into the temple more 19:51:03 yeah, it's alright, I had a quick tweak I wanted to make to it anyhow 19:51:05 speak of the devil! 19:51:08 wow I'm WAY off 19:51:10 I can just do that 19:51:18 regret-index: apologies! 19:51:26 i think ts going to have to be possible to do pretty much everything outside the anchor, just with huge temp stat drain 19:51:45 twelwe: why stat drain specifically? 19:51:59 i feel like 'draining' is sort of the default mechanic 19:52:03 what else is there? i like the idea of reduced spellcasting success outside the anchor 19:52:06 I think twelwe means just normal drain. Maybe like anti-ash 19:52:13 well my point is that redesign is not saying "this vault needs half weight" 19:52:28 i guess drain itself accomplishes the same thing 19:52:29 just something I'd like ot do 19:52:33 you can add back the full weight whenever you get to that 19:52:33 *spelling 19:52:38 drain + exh 19:52:45 well I have another tweak I want to make for the interum 19:52:50 makes sense to be exhausted outside the aura 19:52:52 I don't see any relation to said tweak and vault weighting 19:52:59 er said redesign 19:53:09 not sure that exh does much for you 19:53:17 unless you're worried about players berserking 19:53:18 no berserking 19:53:22 the interim connecting bit is "hellair has less kills than this" 19:53:29 i'm not sure about perma-exh outside the aura. Thematic sure, but in gameplay terms it's just "no breath weapons or berserk" 19:53:47 breath weapons are a different timer 19:53:49 they're Breath 19:53:59 oh yeah, yellow things all look the same to me 19:54:01 no death's door, how terrifying 19:54:27 anyway, the simplest thing would be to add some statuses when you are outside the anchor aura. Removing and adding drain sounds like it'd be fiddly 19:54:32 some vaults have more kills than others 19:54:34 life goes on 19:54:50 I don't think the redesign is going to make it get fewer kills 19:55:05 what you already changed will help that, if it's truly any problem 19:55:13 changes monster-wise, that is 19:55:15 i`m not married to stat drain, it was a quick idea to reduce spellcasting success and limit fleeing buffing and re-engaging, or summoning 19:55:24 -!- ythm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:55:44 stat drain should be easy actually 19:55:50 I didn't work hours through trying not to vomit due to unrelated illnesses for pride 19:55:57 change the weight back if you want. 19:56:00 you can say "if in aura, stats*2/3" 19:56:03 -!- regret-index has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:56:05 uh 19:56:32 I vomitted once 19:56:35 same 19:56:44 one time i was thirsty and went to drink from a water bottle above the sink 19:57:11 but the bottle was full of window cleaner or something like that 19:57:12 i was like six... 19:57:15 ug 19:57:19 wow. did you die? 19:57:23 ya 19:57:28 lost an XL and all 19:57:31 scurry 19:57:39 bl 19:57:44 irl fe reasons 19:57:58 wait, fire elementalist or felids? 19:58:00 (sequell joke!) 19:58:03 boo 19:59:57 -!- frd has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:36 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-61-ga1b20b4 (34) 20:12:39 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13:27 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:35 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:01 -!- ChaseSP has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:20:22 ??scale mail 20:20:22 scale mail[1/1]: 6AC, 10 ER. 20:20:24 ??chain mail 20:20:24 chain mail[1/2]: 8AC, 15ER. 20:20:26 ??plate mail 20:20:26 plate armour[1/1]: 10AC, 18ER. 20:20:31 is chain mail ER too high? 20:20:42 i find it very often useful in play 20:20:47 it's certainly a lot better than scale mail 20:21:27 -!- Dracunos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:58 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 20:27:04 -!- chcl3 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:27:11 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:28:52 is archmagi power modifier shown in the z?! screen? 20:35:40 probably 20:35:42 other enhancers are 20:35:45 easy to test 20:37:30 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:45:42 chain mail is pretty good IMO 20:47:01 even chars who prefer plate will often find chain mail first or find an enchanted/ego/artifact chain mail that beats +0 plate 20:47:14 yeah 20:47:15 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:47:26 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:47:31 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:47:31 -!- magistern_ is now known as magistern 20:48:12 removing scale mail might be reasonable, it has sort of an awkward position between ring mail and chain mail (which are both usually better) 20:48:37 or could buff it but we don't really need so many types of armour 20:49:04 more! more!! 20:49:05 -!- Guest89784 has quit [] 20:49:40 * geekosaur admits to having wondered why scale was still a thing 20:49:45 i do use scale mail occasionally, but it's never... good 20:49:57 although note that Fi tends to start with it 20:50:19 true! 20:54:10 scale is also pretty rare 20:54:18 or at least, it feels equally rare to chain 20:54:51 i would check objstat, but i'm lazy 20:54:56 i guess Fi could get +1 ring 20:54:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:55:47 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 49.0.2/20161019084923]] 20:55:50 New branch created: mon_damage_desc (5 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/mon_damage_desc 20:55:50 03PleasingFungus02 07[mon_damage_desc] * 0.20-a0-55-g9f6aa2a: Refactor monster attack names 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 48+ 36-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9f6aa2aa2c0b 20:55:50 03PleasingFungus02 07[mon_damage_desc] * 0.20-a0-56-g1ffbd52: Expose flavour_triggers_damageless() 10(70 minutes ago, 3 files, 22+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1ffbd52e3141 20:55:50 03PleasingFungus02 07[mon_damage_desc] * 0.20-a0-57-g4f8caca: First pass on displaying monster damage 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 13+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4f8caca91bb8 20:55:50 03PleasingFungus02 07[mon_damage_desc] * 0.20-a0-58-g08b25aa: Re-describe monster attack flavours 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 107+ 48-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/08b25aac4b03 20:55:50 03PleasingFungus02 07[mon_damage_desc] * 0.20-a0-59-g26685ab: Mention monster weapon use in attack descriptions 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/26685abd0772 20:57:51 -!- HarryHood has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:13 :O 20:58:21 🙀 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:07 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:01:47 !learn add emoji_rule no weird emojis. 21:01:48 emoji rule[1/1]: no weird emojis. 21:03:29 catscream is NOT a weird emoji 21:04:14 cats don't scream... 21:04:39 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:06:44 !learn add rule no gammafunk rules 21:06:44 rule[1/1]: no gammafunk rules 21:07:57 nice rule 21:08:03 it'd be a shame if something happened to it 21:13:04 cats scream 21:14:02 prove it 21:15:42 IMO Fi starting with ring mail would be fine 21:15:56 -!- chcl3 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:56 the difference between ring mail and robe/leather is pretty significant nowadays 21:16:37 elliptic: you think it's a problem that Fi starts with scale? 21:16:41 ??objstat 21:16:41 objstat[1/2]: Run with "crawl -objstat" in a build of crawl with EXTERNAL_FLAGS_L=-DDEBUG_STATISTICS in your make command (or full debug with "make debug") to generate item/monsters statistics. See crawl -help for the argument details. 21:16:55 gammafunk: well, I was suggesting removing scale earlier and it was pointed out that Fi starts with it 21:17:25 it would be nice to get people to play Fi less but i dont think thats happening without changing its position on the character selection screen 21:17:43 ah, I see 21:17:48 ??ring mail 21:17:48 ring mail[1/1]: 5AC, 7ER. 21:17:51 ??scale mail 21:17:51 scale mail[1/1]: 6AC, 10 ER. 21:18:02 yeah that's a more subtle difference than I realized 21:18:09 oh, the other reason to remove scale mail is that I'm pretty sure that "fire dragon scales" vs "scale mail" is at least as confusing as "fire giant" vs "giant gecko" was!! 21:18:31 another good reason to remove "scale mail" is that the name is nonsense 21:18:42 though you could say that about "ring mail" and "chain mail" as well 21:19:49 gammafunk: I think +0 ring is almost always better than +0 scale honestly, at least in early game 21:20:22 yeah 21:22:10 it does raise the horrible spectre of people making more dragon scale armours to compensate for a removed armour type 21:22:36 *more types of dragon scale armours 21:22:46 I think we still have some scaleless dragons 21:22:53 I think you mean removing more types of dragon scales to keep the ratio balanced 21:23:47 but what dragon scales could we possibly do without??? 21:24:04 though honestly I don't mind our current number of different types of dragon scales... maybe they should just be a bit rarer though 21:25:00 currently it is 1/3 chance of scales per dragon I believe, could reduce it to 1/4 if we wanted to make them more special 21:26:27 perhaps there are too many dragons rather than too many scales per dragon 21:26:35 that is also possible 21:29:42 it seems rare as-is to have a character where you should actually be pursuing dragon scales instead of just wearing plate/robe though 21:29:58 I don't think robes are very good usually 21:30:53 it's been a long time since i've worn non-swamp dragon armour on a normal size character 21:31:21 the others either don't show up early enough, or they're fire/ice which are worse than swamp 21:31:27 and gold dragon scales are pretty good on most plate chars if you still have lots of enchant armour (e.g. if you've been using artifact plate) 21:32:35 good body armour randarts are not exactly common though 21:33:09 artifact plate isn't that rare IME 21:33:48 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:34:04 but yes I agree that gold dragon scales are late and fire/ice tend not to be amazing (though I do sort of like fire on mummies/ghouls or chars with a good rC+ artifact to go with it) 21:35:07 i dont actually care about the rF-/rC- at all, i would just rather have 7/7 than 8/11 AC/ER on any character that would be wearing them over plate in the first place 21:35:23 i genuinely believe ida is better than fda 21:35:42 i may be more accustomed to dealing with rF- than the majority players, however. 21:36:38 the problem with ida is that you shouldn't really use it in zot unless you get lucky with rF+ sources, which makes using enchant scrolls on it a little risky 21:36:46 true 21:37:18 oh also, storm and shadow dragon scales being almost identical is gross 21:37:49 you like going through depths and zot without relec, don't you 21:38:35 shadow is the one I would remove if I had to remove one, but I know that there is a massive contingent of heavy armour stealth devs out there who like it 21:38:44 yes 21:40:01 !nchoice 21:40:05 DECK: 0 wins || emikaela: CXC, L17 Unseen of Hepliaklqana || araganzar: CAO, L16 Eclecticist of Vehumet || AVeryAngryQuokka: CBRO, L1 Slasher of Xom 21:40:11 !kw nchoice 21:40:11 Keyword: nchoice => OpWr|HEAr|KoIE|DDAE|CeVM|HOWz|GrEn|GhCj|FeAK|VSSu|DEHu|VpAK|HaSu|TeAM|SpMo|FoCj|MfEE|TrVM|DDSk|HaFE|VSAM|HOTm|GhBe|SpAE|DECK 21:40:18 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:40:39 !kw nchoice OpWr|HEAr|KoIE|DDAE|CeVM|HOWz|GrEn|GhCj|FeAK|VSSu|DEHu|VpAK|HaSu|TeAM|SpMo|FoCj|MfEE|TrVM|DDSk|HaFE|VSAM|HOTm|GhBe|SpAE|DECK|DDIE 21:40:40 Defined keyword: nchoice => OpWr|HEAr|KoIE|DDAE|CeVM|HOWz|GrEn|GhCj|FeAK|VSSu|DEHu|VpAK|HaSu|TeAM|SpMo|FoCj|MfEE|TrVM|DDSk|HaFE|VSAM|HOTm|GhBe|SpAE|DECK|DDIE 21:40:46 !nchoice 21:40:50 DDIE: 0 wins || rkdn42: CAO, L8 Charlatan of Elyvilon || edsrzf: CPO, L4 Chiller of No God 21:40:52 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 21:40:53 The build passed. (mon_damage_desc - 26685ab #7161 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/176576610 21:40:54 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 21:41:41 elliptic, i was thinking like, make shadow dragon armour more robe-y instead of removing it 21:41:53 ??steam dragon armour 21:41:53 steam dragon armour[1/1]: 5AC, 0ER, rSteam. Can be created by enchanting a steam dragon hide. 21:42:19 could also remove one of steam and mottled dragons (and also their scales) 21:42:36 could remove shadow dragons 21:42:45 unlikely 21:43:02 they're really bad at doing damage compared to their depth, they just have tons of hp for some reason 21:43:49 they have the same breath damage as fire/ice dragons along with less range 21:43:56 they make you grateful for having rN whenever you happen to have that 21:44:31 if you are afraid of drain bolts you can just stand outside drain bolt range (because its not very long) 21:45:25 learning from my mistakes: 21:45:27 !lg . killer=jorgrun status=petrified s=dam 21:45:28 2 games for chequers (killer=jorgrun status=petrified): 78, 100 21:45:32 i mean the opposite lol 21:45:56 please remove all but one of the dragon armours that start with 's' 21:46:41 !lg chequers 21:46:42 1900. chequers the Brawler (L20 GhMo of Okawaru), blasted by Jorgrun (Shatter) on Vaults:1 (hangedman_vaults_impose) on 2016-11-17 02:42:35, with 282843 points after 44122 turns and 1:26:55. 21:46:54 seriously, shadow dragons are very weak for their HD and depth 21:47:27 !lg * t ckiller=shadow_dragon 21:47:29 7. spsoon the Phalangite (L22 MiGl of Uskayaw), blasted by a shadow dragon (bolt of negative energy) on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault) on 2016-11-15 05:42:28, with 432822 points after 47620 turns and 3:10:06. 21:47:54 !lg * t place=vaults:5 21:47:54 116. Ark the Executioner (L21 MiBe of Trog), blasted by a golden dragon (bolt of fire) on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault) on 2016-11-16 22:39:33, with 328389 points after 41979 turns and 2:09:50. 21:48:30 and I don't believe that Drain makes up for that (there are plenty of other rN checking monsters) 21:48:44 !lg * t ckiller~~dragon s=ckiller 21:48:45 558 games for * (t ckiller~~dragon): 216x a komodo dragon, 82x a steam dragon, 71x an ice dragon, 58x a fire dragon, 26x a mottled dragon, 19x a golden dragon, 19x a storm dragon, 15x a bone dragon, 15x a quicksilver dragon, 12x a swamp dragon, 7x a shadow dragon, 3x a quicksilver dragon skeleton, 2x a golden dragon simulacrum, 2x an iron dragon, a komodo dragon zombie, a shadow dragon simulacrum,... 21:49:37 wow, they are actually beaten by every other dragon except iron dragon 21:50:29 I thought they'd at least beat out the dragon that only exists in 50% of games 21:50:46 anyway, this is incontrovertible proof that shadow dragons need to either be removed, or get agony breath 21:51:13 and then get something else because its kind of hard to die to agony 21:52:27 come ot think of it, they are remarkably similar to eidola (did you know that shadow dragons have 10 EV) 21:52:42 give them death's door? 21:54:49 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 21:56:17 easiest way to sort of fix shadow dragon as a monster is probably to make it like speed 15 21:58:48 -!- Sicily has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:59:31 is the 0.19.0 tiles and console builds for Mac blocked by something? It’s still showing 0.18.1 here: http://crawl.develz.org/download.htm 21:59:35 s/is/are 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:33 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 22:02:41 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:04:28 agolden: yes, it's blocked by us not having anyone available to compile packages 22:05:00 it's a bit non-trivial to make releasable packages for OS X in that we need soemone with, say 10.11 who has sdks for both that version and 10.10 22:05:07 so we can have any kind of OS X version coverage 22:05:22 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 22:05:57 geekosaur is still planning to work on proper, signed packages when he has the time, but we could certainly use someone to do the build in the meantime 22:06:16 and you can't do crosscompilation to OS X, sadly, since you need those commercial SDKs 22:07:03 in the meantime, you can compile yourself on OS X pretty easilly 22:07:17 there are instructions in the install guide for using xcode to compile 22:07:36 if this OS X situation remains like this, we might want to have a blurb pointing to that on the download page, come to think 22:08:30 gammafunk: well I’m on 10.12 but typically with Mac OS X apps you can do things like target 10.10 even though you’re building with the 10.12 SDKs. 22:08:54 agolden: well, we need one package that will work on e.g. 10.10+ 22:09:21 geekosaur knows way more than this than I do, but as I understand things you want to use the previous version sdk from the oldest OS on which you can compile 22:10:00 agolden: if you'd like to help out by doing interrim OS X builds for us though, just let us know 22:10:25 I generally do the builds and put them up these past releases, but others like geekosaur and |amethyst know more about various aspects 22:11:26 by do the builds I mean do the windows/linux builds, I can't do them for other OS 22:13:02 gammafunk: well I’m happy to help out with the mac stuff, I’ve got all the tools, just let me know what’s needed (I assume the mac-app-tiles and mac-app-console targets are most of it) possibly with some special configuration of Mac OS X SDKs. 22:13:26 -!- illusionary has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 22:13:29 agolden: yeah, are you around to try doing builds at any particular time? 22:13:52 (which could include now) 22:14:24 I need to go back and look at geekosaur's script right quick 22:14:31 maybe I should share that with you 22:15:05 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:16:36 gammafunk: I’ll be more available a bit later tonight, right now I’m actually juggling a couple other things. 22:16:49 ok, I can send you some tells 22:18:23 aw, dang 22:18:27 I found the url of the script 22:18:33 but it's lpaste 22:19:58 !tell geekosaur When you have the chance, can you pastebin/dpaste your script for me one more time? I stupidly didn't save a copy from the url I have, and now the url is broke. I'll put it in the repo this time for sure 22:19:58 gammafunk: OK, I'll let geekosaur know. 22:20:20 https://lpaste.net/162698 is the URL I have 22:27:18 -!- illusionary has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 22:29:43 -!- valrus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:51 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 22:31:57 -!- joy1999 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:34:37 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 22:38:48 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:01 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:47:49 -!- Awod has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:48:26 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:51:45 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 22:58:37 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:58:58 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:59:08 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:39 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 23:08:48 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:16 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:23:30 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:24:50 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 23:38:42 -!- orbisvicis has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:39:27 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:42 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 23:54:53 ready 23:55:26 uhh 23:55:37 i'll look over the weekend 23:56:01 i might be able to compile it for osx on the mac build server at work 23:56:35 if you still need help with it 23:57:29 also lpaste.net doesn't resolve https for me for some reason, http works though 23:57:33 oh! 23:57:48 excellent, thanks 23:58:02 !tell geekosaur nm, someone pointed me to the http url, which still works 23:58:03 gammafunk: OK, I'll let geekosaur know. 23:58:49 oh 23:58:58 actually this doesn't show compilation, does it 23:59:28 this is only signing 23:59:36 that just looks like the code signing stuff 23:59:44 once you have it built 23:59:54 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-61-ga1b20b4 (34) 23:59:56 yeah, I was just worried about any OS-X specific build options