00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:17 <|amethyst> ktgrey: Pokémon is a bit after my time 00:01:07 never too late to start :^) 00:02:08 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:02:39 New branch created: pull/390 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/390 00:02:39 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/390 * 0.20-a0-17-gdb1258a: Make Zot tloc warning a default force_more 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/db1258afd0db 00:04:04 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:04:15 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:44 -!- mong has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:52 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:15:54 -!- fatkid has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:09 could anyone tell me where the interface code is located? 00:16:32 fatkid: very general question 00:16:42 like the code that accepts input and displays the console 00:16:47 yeah sorry 00:17:00 so I think it would be cool to make an AI bot to play crawl 00:17:01 maybe better to explain what you'd like to do 00:17:06 may even go on to do some research with it 00:17:09 ok 00:17:21 there are in fact some existing bots you could look at 00:17:30 cool, could point me to them? 00:17:45 player config files can contain lua code, and the lua code can even control you 00:17:48 ??qw 00:17:49 qw[1/7]: A fully automated lua bot written by elliptic, with some code borrowed from parabolic and xw. See "!lg qw won 2" for the first ever completely uninterrupted and unassisted bot win. Git repository: https://github.com/elliptic/qw 00:18:07 wow awesome thanks 00:18:09 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:12 Someone else wrote a bot framework that interacts with crawl over webtiles websocket 00:18:13 -!- sneakynesss has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:15 ??rw 00:18:15 rw[1/2]: rw is like watching a baby grow 00:18:19 ??rw[2 00:18:20 rw[2/2]: https://github.com/rwbarton/rw 00:18:22 cool 00:18:50 I don't think anyone has written a bot that directly reads the terminal stream, which is what you were originally asking about. But the first two approaches are equally capable 00:19:08 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19:28 thanks! 00:20:13 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:22:10 quick question 00:22:12 there's another user right now who's running a bot and doing academic research with it 00:22:15 I forget his name, let me look it up 00:22:30 do ranged weapon brands still work differently from melee weapon brands 00:22:42 oh that would be awesome! 00:22:44 !lg * month name=~.w 00:22:45 No games for * (month name=~.w). 00:22:50 rip 00:22:57 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:22:59 Lightli: different in what sense 00:23:01 I just searched google scholar and it doesn't look like any papers have been published using DCSS as a domain 00:23:05 brand weapon works differently 00:23:15 *brief search 00:23:15 fatkid, get in touch with espais 00:23:15 the damage 00:23:18 send him a tell or something 00:23:55 cool thanks 00:25:10 we use the word "academic" in this channel surprisingly infrequently 00:25:15 -!- ythm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:26:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:25 -!- Thraspic has quit [] 00:33:11 I wonder how many people use the Cause Fear spell 00:33:17 ??cause fear 00:33:17 scroll of fear[1/5]: Scares monsters away from your current position, with a chance to save based on MR. Only affects living, non-berserk monsters. They can still use ranged attack while fleeing. Also a level 4 hexes spell "Cause Fear" with similar effect (same as the scroll at 134 power and above). 00:33:32 ??fear 00:33:32 fear[1/1]: Status that stops you from moving towards a monster or going berserk. The opposite of mesmerise. For the spell or scroll see {scroll of fear}. 00:34:35 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Client Quit] 00:36:31 -!- ZiBuDo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:36:41 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:38:48 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:11 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest14220 00:40:53 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:02 hey elliptic! 00:41:12 mind if I ask you a quick question about your qw bot? 00:41:53 just wondering if you have run it on windows 00:42:25 i'm trying to run it right out of the box using crawl-console.exe -rc qw/qw.rc 00:42:51 but my crawl-console doesn't like it, gives me: 'Error initialising console input mode' 00:42:55 Brannock: Ok, the live page is ready for t at http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.19 00:43:05 it's out of test mode with the database wiped and taildb.py running 00:43:10 Oh, thanks 00:43:12 CDO is still disabled 00:43:12 I was going to wipe tomorrow morning 00:43:27 -!- Guest14220 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:43:29 I don't use windows, no 00:43:54 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:12 Brannock: you can run tail -f taildb.log to see live updates on the scoring process 00:44:15 weird, I have you set as teamcaptain but it's not including me yet 00:44:21 elliptic: ok thanks 00:44:22 hrm 00:44:35 Brannock: where are you defined? 00:44:38 cjr/cbro 00:44:46 &rc brannok 0.19 cbro 00:44:47 No milestones for brannok. 00:44:48 that error sounds like it has nothing to do with qw though, something wrong with your console build or command-line options being weird in windows 00:44:53 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:53 &rc brannock 0.19 cbro 00:44:54 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-0.19/Brannock.rc 00:45:01 can you run crawl in console at all? 00:45:05 yeah thats what i'm thinking too 00:45:09 &rc . 0.19 cbro 00:45:11 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-0.19/gammafunk.rc 00:45:15 well it spawns its own console window 00:45:32 it's not case sensitive is it? 00:45:35 cjr has my name lowercase 00:45:37 for some reason 00:45:45 I'll remove the entry in cjr just in case 00:45:52 ^vps 00:45:53 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=76% (135GB) | RAM usage=40% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 00:45:52 up 721 days, 10:04, 8 users, load average: 1.01, 0.94, 1.08 (4 Cores) 00:46:16 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46:20 Brannock: those also fetch less frequently 00:46:25 the rcs on cbro ancd cjr 00:46:29 ah, okay 00:46:37 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 00:47:12 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:18 ^vps 00:47:28 Do Ancestors Electrocute Dream Sheep, Do Player Ghosts Dream of Transparent Sheep 00:47:29 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=76% (135GB) | RAM usage=41% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 00:47:17 up 721 days, 10:06, 8 users, load average: 1.03, 0.97, 1.08 (4 Cores) 00:47:44 Dream SheepleZzz 00:47:51 I'm glad my new monster is getting such a positive reception 00:48:04 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:48:16 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:00 MFC Olgrebs Toxic Masculinity 00:49:01 A+ 00:49:12 yay MFC 00:49:27 !tell PleasingFungus "MFC Olgrebs Toxic Masculinity" 00:49:28 Brannock: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:49:59 collecting clan names Brannock ? 00:50:04 http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.19/teams.html 00:50:19 some good contenders this season 00:50:20 elliptic: i got it to start (need to use powershell) and when I pressed tab to start it I got the following error: Lua error: [string ".\qw\qw.rc"]:2151: bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table expected, got nil) x2 00:52:00 I'm worried I may not have time to come up with a good clan name and will re-re-re-re-use the same one I always do 00:52:17 aw, I don't see Ogrecoming Adversity yet 00:53:04 Brannock: damn it. that would have been such a better name than what I came up with :( 00:53:33 elliptic: I'm trying it with 0.18, gonna download 0.19 and try that instead 00:53:50 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53:52 pogs are cool again 00:54:06 oh yes, it definitely won't work with 0.18 unless you find an older version of qw.rc 00:54:06 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:06 ok cool 00:54:29 ^vps 00:54:29 60 00:54:33 60! 00:54:44 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:47 elliptic: up and running! it's beautiful 00:57:57 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:21 -!- Awod has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:59:22 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:00 ^vps 01:01:00 Crawlers. 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CBRO disk usage=77% (135GB) | RAM usage=41% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 01:08:32 up 721 days, 10:27, 5 users, load average: 0.93, 1.34, 1.18 (4 Cores) 01:09:40 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:10:19 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:15:24 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:17:03 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:17:14 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:19 -!- eraservedd has quit [Client Quit] 01:17:36 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:17:54 ^vps 01:17:54 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=77% (135GB) | RAM usage=36% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 01:17:53 up 721 days, 10:36, 5 users, load average: 0.71, 0.99, 1.10 (4 Cores) 01:18:09 (sorry for spam) 01:18:31 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:19:24 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19:39 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 01:19:48 ^vps 01:19:56 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=77% (135GB) | RAM usage=36% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 01:19:47 up 721 days, 10:38, 4 users, load average: 0.78, 0.89, 1.04 (4 Cores) 01:19:58 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:20:06 goddam I hate perl 01:21:02 -!- mibert has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:06 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:20 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:27 ^vps 01:21:37 52 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=77% (135GB) | RAM usage=37% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 01:21:26 up 721 days, 10:40, 5 users, load average: 1.03, 0.99, 1.07 (4 Cores) 01:21:40 finally 01:21:44 what are you having trouble with? 01:22:01 just a stupid command on trying to figure out how many current crawlers are playing 01:22:21 ps -ef|grep crawl|grep name|wc -l 01:22:30 it's not perfect, but close enough for a quick feel 01:23:01 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:24:39 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:24:57 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:25:00 neat 01:25:16 I don't know much about server stuff but 135 gb storage / 4 gb RAM seems low to me for a server 01:25:29 I guess RAM usage isn't too bad for Crawl 01:26:11 it's maxed out 01:26:12 best I can do 01:26:18 used to be 1GB 01:26:37 it's just a little ramnode VPS 01:26:54 I'm not really a sysadmin. shhhhhhh 01:27:29 -!- jdeeny has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:14 last tourney people were getting websocket errors. I thought it was a max-connections thing, but that's set to 200 in webtiles config.py 01:31:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:34:10 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:36:13 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:38:01 -!- OrphineM has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:40:30 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:39 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40:52 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 01:41:14 is that 200 open websockets across all of cbro? that seems low when you consider spectators 01:41:41 oh. that's right. I had this discussion before 01:41:50 it wasn't low prior to cszo going down 01:42:14 I don't know what a reasonable max would be for the server 01:42:44 anyone know how to find the current number of used connections? 01:43:27 johnstein: try netstat -an | grep 01:43:49 ah-ha! 01:43:56 -!- koboldina has joined ##crawl-dev 01:44:10 netstat -an |grep 8080|wc -l 01:44:10 204 01:44:13 doh 01:44:34 TIME_WAIT 01:44:57 TIME_WAIT is for connections recently closed 01:45:02 ok 01:45:30 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:45:38 is there some reason to have the limit to that as low as 200? i'd just set it to like 1024 to mirror the default file descriptor ulimit 01:45:52 but that's my uninformed guess 01:45:59 the reason is that's the default when I cloned dgamelaunch-config way back 01:46:06 and it's never really been an issue 01:46:15 till last tourney a bit. 01:46:52 part of it is worrying about too many games being played (RAM/CPU) 01:47:13 but that was before I realized it was also including spectators (obviously in hindsight) 01:47:51 yeah, i think max-connections is the wrong place to limit that but i don't know webtiles enough to say where the right place is 01:49:53 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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I will boost it probably 01:51:44 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:56:18 -!- Zeor1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:58:46 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:46 -!- SleepyDude has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:01:16 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:02:40 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:12:05 elliptic: do you think it would be possible to run qw bot with tiles instead of console? 02:13:07 qw works in webtiles, but local tiles has a different interface for some things and would require at least a little work 02:16:43 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:16:46 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:17:07 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest60388 02:19:47 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-16-g0876c8e (34) 02:21:59 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:22:00 -!- Guest60388 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:24:59 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:46:05 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:47:15 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:50:38 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:52:44 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:53:27 -!- protopulse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:54:46 so when do the other announcers get replaced :P 02:56:47 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-16-g0876c8e 02:57:46 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:52 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:02:45 -!- Culka has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 03:02:45 -!- eraservedd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:02:58 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:04:25 -!- keszocze_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:14:41 -!- PElf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:18:36 elliptic: okay cool, thanks 03:22:47 !tell ZiBuDo That duplicating-game problem caught some winning games: "Weird question, but what's going on with my scoreboard? http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/someoneawful.html My wins since I started playing on CJR are duplicated for some reason. Artifact of playing on the best server, or...?" 03:22:47 Brannock: OK, I'll let zibudo know. 03:23:35 -!- anubisbafoobis has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:26:29 !tell ZiBuDo I also have duplicated wins (and I presume deaths as well): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/brannock.html 03:26:30 Brannock: OK, I'll let zibudo know. 03:27:43 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:28:20 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:28:37 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:03 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:33:29 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:33:49 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:37:55 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:38:06 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:42:12 puh, ok, i'll look into it today 03:42:12 Napkin: You have 47 messages. Use !messages to read them. 03:43:45 -!- Patashu__ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:43:51 that's a lot of messages 03:49:38 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:51:34 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:06 i'd declare bankruptcy by changing nicks permanently 03:53:45 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-16-g0876c8e 03:54:59 Hey guys :) I need help from someone with an eye for balance. I'm trying to balance a summon that scales with power, so it remains fairly imprecise through the entire game. I'm not sure what range of "to hit" values I should be aiming for 03:56:13 As a ballpark figure, I'd like it to miss more than half the time against monsters with average EV 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:12 %git 04:00:12 07|amethyst02 * 0.20-a0-16-g0876c8e: Fix source code alignment. 10(33 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0876c8e2e613 04:00:23 oh. that's why no announcement 04:00:31 ^vps 04:00:31 23 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=77% (135GB) | RAM usage=19% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 04:00:29 up 721 days, 13:19, 4 users, load average: 0.30, 0.21, 0.19 (4 Cores) 04:00:47 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:01:00 SteelNeuron: what are the summoned monster's properties? what level is the spell? what's the duration? what are the spell schools? 04:01:23 SteelNeuron: and what do you think "average EV" is? 04:03:12 minmay: It's an animated weapon, roughly based on tukima's. It's a god mechanic (for the council god) so it's not associated to any school in particular or marked as a summon. The duration is very short and also driven by god mechanics. Here is the ghost initialisation: http://pastebin.com/2NSe0dtp 04:04:09 And here is the mon-data http://pastebin.com/Le3quqJB 04:04:28 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 04:05:05 /inf 04:05:29 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:05:32 by average EV I'm not sure, I'm thinking in relative terms here since I'm not too familiar with how monster EV scales, but ideally I would like the summon to remain imprecise against the average monster of the same XL 04:05:36 -!- Dingo has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:06:16 -!- eb_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:06:31 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:15 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 04:08:30 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:54 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 04:09:17 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:09:37 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 04:11:14 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 04:21:38 -!- tmass has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:22:44 I got time on my hand to resume trying to participate to crawl dev, any straightforward task i could take on ? 04:23:51 we're kind of in a dev hiatus right now until 11/20 because of the tournament but 04:24:08 there's some stuff at 04:24:10 ??simple implementables 04:24:10 simple implementables[1/1]: http://tinyurl.com/zaskueb 04:24:11 and 04:24:29 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10762 this seems good to fix 04:25:11 i'll look into it :) 04:25:21 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:25:23 about that one https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10285 04:25:25 unsure what your skill level is at so if you want something more challenging let us know 04:25:29 i fixed it some time ago 04:25:32 oh! 04:25:32 nice 04:25:34 but the issue is not updated 04:25:49 which fix was this? 04:25:53 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 04:25:57 can you link to a git commit or PR or.. 04:26:22 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/247 and https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/246 04:27:10 nice, someone more sober than me should update 10285 tomorrow 04:27:13 or I'll do it once I wake up 04:27:30 -!- LordSloth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:27:49 ok ;) 04:29:13 about 10762, what's that 'random healing effect' of chaos exactly ? 04:29:24 chaos has a chance to trigger a heal wounds effect on attack 04:29:32 you'll want to look for SPWPN_CHAOS 04:29:53 this is a potentially (? I haven't thought too hard about it) tricky special case 04:30:15 could be as easy as making sure that external healing doesn't cure rot 04:30:22 (as opposed to player-caused healing) 04:30:40 alright that's more than enough to get me started thanks ! 04:36:19 ^vps 04:36:19 13 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=77% (135GB) | RAM usage=10% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 04:36:18 up 721 days, 13:55, 5 users, load average: 0.04, 0.12, 0.15 (4 Cores) 04:37:37 any plan to move to github issue tracker ? 04:37:40 -!- Atomic_2yYCn has quit [Quit: AtomicIRC: The nuclear option.] 04:38:21 we've discussed that 04:38:33 at least one contributor thinks it's a good idea, and a few other are positive 04:38:45 but crawl is an old project at this point, and mantis works for us 04:38:55 we've begun tentative efforts to try to use git issue tracker 04:39:00 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues 04:39:10 but a mass migration will take a lot of work, as well as bot updates and such 04:39:47 keeping mantis as a readonly archive could be an option 04:40:19 i don't think migrating already closed issue would be useful 04:40:20 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 04:40:21 well, we do have a lot of *open* issues :P 04:40:33 !send mantis issues 04:40:33 and a lot of issues that were Probably fixed, but no one's quite sure 04:40:33 Sending issues to mantis. 04:41:18 The question is whether the benefit will be worth the effort invested 04:41:52 I think Crawl dev is spread over too many websites right now, and would like to see centralization... but of course I'm new to the dev scene 04:42:07 And new players always want to overhaul things to their preferences 04:42:41 well the only downside if you can call it that, is the issues would be way more visible 04:43:08 in a manner of speaking. I don't know how many people actually check the github 04:43:18 the mantis location worked just fine back in the svn days 04:43:20 i don't know if you can control who's able to comment/open issues like mantis 04:43:24 "only" is quite an overstatement there 04:43:43 like i'm a fan of github issues personally, but mantis does a lot of stuff github doesn't 04:43:53 like what ? 04:43:54 mantis definitely has a lot more control and detail over bugs submitted 04:44:01 has a lot more buttons and drop downs! 04:44:01 github needs the devs to define a form, and even then it's very soft 04:44:16 there's not as many ways to sort issues 04:44:21 which does matter 04:44:33 and even right now we have someone submitting a PR as an issue 04:44:40 are you familiar with git issue bots? I'm not a huge fan of them, but it's something that seemed decent for ensuring a format is consistent 04:44:59 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:45:14 -!- Bammboo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:45:53 -!- PElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 04:46:50 i just kinda hate reading mantis issues... it's just not easy to read and hurts my designer brain 04:47:03 it's a very 00s interface yeah 04:47:10 but you get accustomed to it after a while 04:47:29 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 04:47:29 well you can get accustomed to anything... look at all those windows user :) 04:47:36 I develop on Windows 10 04:47:38 And it is probably a mistake. 04:47:40 there you go 04:48:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:51:43 -!- ebarrett_ has quit [] 04:54:41 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 04:56:40 maybe mantis supports stylesheets 04:57:31 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06:19 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 05:08:02 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:08:04 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 05:15:15 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:16:19 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:16:37 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest55170 05:20:51 -!- Guest55170 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:22:02 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:23:25 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:25:16 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:26:36 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:28:08 -!- bgiannan has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 05:35:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:43:09 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:43:35 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:36 -!- insecticide10 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:47:56 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 05:50:22 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:51:20 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Client Quit] 05:51:35 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:07 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:33 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:54:39 -!- keszocze has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:55:44 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 05:55:53 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:56:44 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:58:26 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:58:34 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01:43 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:01:52 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 06:02:45 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:06:02 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:07:44 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Client Quit] 06:14:52 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:15:05 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:15:58 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:17 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:20:17 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:22:54 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:25:43 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:27:55 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:28:04 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:32:55 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:33:42 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:33 how do i check if the player is under rot ? 06:36:44 <|amethyst> player_rotted() 06:36:59 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:37:05 <|amethyst> (it returns an int, the number of HP by which the player is rotted) 06:39:01 |amethyst: not sure if you have time to ponder this, but I want to add PASSAGE_GOLUBRIA_PERMANENT which shall have a fixed destination on the same floor; I'd want to marshall the set of these existing on a level the same way stair_info is done I think 06:39:31 I think I was going to add this to that LevelInfo thingy as just a vector 06:40:29 |amethyst thx 06:41:58 <|amethyst> gammafunk: so interlevel travel can use them? 06:42:32 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:44:29 -!- paulr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:45:55 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:46:33 <|amethyst> gammafunk: LevelInfo is used for player knowledge, so I would be a little hesitant to use it for storing the actual state of the world 06:47:04 |amethyst: yes, I'd want travel to work properly with the passages 06:47:06 ah 06:47:11 that's a good point re player knowledge 06:47:18 the idea would be that you'd not know where a passage goes 06:47:22 until you'd taken it once 06:47:33 but once you did, travel would work with them 06:47:43 -!- insecticide10 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:47:59 this would only affect this new type of golub passage, the PoG spell would still use the curent PASSAGE_GOLUBRIA feature 06:48:32 I'll have to look a bit more closely for how to store that destination then 06:48:52 stair_info must be marshalled actual world data 06:49:24 so those probably aren't only stored in LevelInfo if the latter is knowledge 06:50:46 -!- Rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 06:51:03 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 06:51:43 <|amethyst> gammafunk: for real stairs, the opposite end doesn't need to be stored, since you just look for the matching feature (DNGN_STONE_STAIRS_UP_II or whatever) 06:52:06 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I think you'd probably want to use a map_marker the way hatches do 06:52:49 ok, thanks for the pointer, I hadn't seen map_marker 06:54:01 -!- Rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:58:06 can i summon a monster equipped with a particular branded weapon in wizard mode ? 06:59:09 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:59:32 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest63169 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:45 -!- anubisbafoobis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:04:18 -!- Guest63169 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:05:18 <|amethyst> bgiannan: &mgoblin ; long sword ego:flaming 07:05:29 thx :) 07:06:03 <|amethyst> gammafunk: hm, would DNGN_PASSAGE_GOLUBRIA_PERMANENT differ from DNGN_TELEPORTAL ("short-range portal") at all? 07:06:13 <|amethyst> err 07:06:20 <|amethyst> s/TELEPORTAL/TELEPORTER/ 07:12:14 |amethyst: yes, in that it doesn't check stasis, and certainly in that it has a fixed destination 07:14:35 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:14:35 -!- tollymain has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:14:35 actually, to that end it should probably be a non-trap feature, one that couldn't have items 07:14:45 <|amethyst> gammafunk: oh, you're making golubria check stasis? 07:14:51 no 07:15:00 -!- tollymain has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:12 I'm saying that if you are Fo/have -tele, this doesn't affect the passage, it works normally 07:15:24 this is what passages do currently 07:15:30 <|amethyst> gammafunk: that's how short-range portals work too 07:15:32 so no change in that regard 07:15:35 <|amethyst> gammafunk: and they have a fixed destination 07:15:41 oh you said DNGN_TELEPORTAL 07:15:43 what is that? 07:15:46 er 07:15:49 TELEPORTER 07:15:56 isn't that just a teleport trap? or what is that 07:15:58 <|amethyst> grunt_nemelex_the_gamble 07:16:03 <|amethyst> Ç’ 07:16:04 <|amethyst> err 07:16:05 <|amethyst> © 07:16:09 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 07:16:10 !vault grunt_nemelex_the_gamble 07:16:10 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/nemelex_the_gamble.des#L68 07:17:04 oh didn't realize these had their own feature, but 07:17:07 <|amethyst> probably something more integrated into crawl would work better 07:17:16 isn't this actually a golubria passage? 07:17:33 but yeah the whole point is to use the same kind of feature but have it work properly with autotravel and explore 07:17:44 so explore would prompt you like for runed doors if one was on the level 07:17:50 and you'd not tried it 07:18:12 <|amethyst> that part sounds fine 07:18:13 and if you had tried it, you could have it work with travel normally 07:18:15 <|amethyst> travel I would be slightly concerned about 07:18:22 <|amethyst> well, maybe not concerned 07:18:34 <|amethyst> but, if you make travel use these, it should also take escape hatches 07:18:46 yeah this is true, that you could create this problem 07:18:50 <|amethyst> anywy, I must go now 07:18:56 if they were two way, it wouldn't be 07:19:14 I will think on it more, thanks 07:19:57 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:25 -!- Odds has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:20:27 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:20:48 I suppose my idea is that whenever these are placed, the structure must be such that the player can leave the area through a corresponding "return portal" or stairs 07:20:57 <|amethyst> (I think you could replace the existing teleporters/short-range portals with this new feature, and it would be better in many ways because teleporters are currently implemented purely in lua) 07:21:09 yes 07:21:21 I was thinking of doing so for at least the wizlabs that use these 07:21:33 but would want to do so for all such instances 07:24:42 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:26:19 !time 07:26:20 Time: Nov 04, 2016, 11:26:20 AM, UTC. The 2016 0.19 tournament starts in 8 hours, 33 minutes and 39 seconds. 07:34:46 -!- gressup has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:40:50 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:34 Hmm, CDO menu still says "only 0.18 games count towards the tournament!" 07:41:38 Napkin: ^ 07:42:04 Also I can't seem to ctrl+o in a trunk game; I wonder if it's this mac terminal, but other ctrl-commands do work. 07:42:04 doesn't know any better, good old dgl ;) 07:42:39 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:43:35 Hi Napkin :) 07:43:40 how's it going 07:43:56 TGIF, I have to say :) 07:44:21 ha, hectic at work? 07:44:59 looking forward to playing some doom when i get home ;) 07:45:04 how about you? 07:45:26 but I guess i have to get 0.19 installed on CDO 07:45:40 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:45:43 started a new job a couple of weeks ago, ecommerce development 07:46:03 ah, nice, how's the team? 07:46:22 seems very nice! i have a lot to learn but the environment is supportive. 07:46:27 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:35 sounds great! 07:46:39 oh it's old-timers' gathering 07:46:51 Moin dpeg :) 07:47:20 also the toddler is toddling.. we have a second daughter (since last year's August, but I'm not sure when we last conversed :) ) 07:47:31 hehehe 07:47:44 grats! 07:47:48 thank you! 07:48:43 no such distractions here - can still fully concentrate on renovating the house... jay! 07:49:51 ok, let's see... so how to get 0.19 on cdo again....? 07:51:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:52:19 does crawl sprint still exist in 0.19? 07:56:13 -!- Patashu__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:56:56 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:57 Hallo! 08:01:12 Keskitalo: oh, very nice, what is her name? 08:01:25 Napkin: yes, Sprint still exists 08:01:44 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:07 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest37255 08:06:43 -!- Guest37255 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:08:57 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:14:03 I never download release versions. Did we ship 0.19 without the survey announcement? 08:20:36 -!- insecticide10 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:21:48 i'm working on https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10762 -> is it enough to stop chaos effect or do i need to stop the attack altogether ("... hits you but does no damage" for example) ? 08:21:52 achte !time 08:21:55 !time 08:21:55 Time: Nov 04, 2016, 12:21:55 PM, UTC. The 2016 0.19 tournament starts in 7 hours, 38 minutes and 4 seconds. 08:22:30 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:11 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 08:23:40 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19.0-2-gae57169 (34) 08:24:00 <3 08:25:02 dpeg: btw the download section does not provide a OS X 0.19 release 08:25:17 bgiannan: yes, we always have Mac problems 08:25:26 nobody here seems to build on them 08:25:45 i just built one 08:25:52 console anyway 08:25:58 i'll try tiles 08:26:01 cool 08:26:14 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:26:48 * dpeg recalls how he got Nethack 3.1.3 on a 1.44 disk :) 08:27:40 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:33:01 dpeg: Sini-Aila 08:33:41 -!- Gretell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:34:01 Keskitalo: looks appropriately Finn! :) 08:34:01 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:43 Napkin: sorry to pester you, we still need a 0.19 button in the menu! (Perhaps you're doing that just now...) 08:34:57 reconnect 08:35:02 oh 08:35:36 sorry, now 08:35:38 dpeg: that's great, that's something we've wanted that the names are properly Finnish names :) 08:35:53 sub menus were there already, just the main menu showed it wrongly 08:36:01 try now, please, dpeg 08:36:04 * dpeg suggests Cindy for the next little girl :) 08:36:20 Napkin: Danke! 08:38:31 ok, mantis fixed, too 08:38:48 gammafunk: weblinks for 0.19 should be in place 08:38:50 cool 08:40:26 teams cgi in place, too 08:40:40 i think that's it 08:40:44 keep me posted? 08:41:38 Mahlzeit! 08:41:51 -!- bitcoinbastard_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:42:04 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:42:48 Guten Appetit! 08:43:22 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:32 for the record, when a new stable is released a config string in mantis needs to be reconfigured: All Users, DCSS, string, '0.20 development branch' 08:44:01 otherwise closing an issue will end up in a wrong branch 08:48:16 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:49:08 !tell Brannock Napkin: when a new stable is released a config string in mantis needs to be reconfigured: All Users, DCSS, strong, '0.20 development branch' 08:49:09 dpeg: OK, I'll let brannock know. 08:49:21 !tell Brannock This should probably be kept somewhere... 08:49:21 dpeg: OK, I'll let brannock know. 08:52:00 -!- fatkid has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:54:45 -!- tollymain has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:56:41 Napkin: thanks! 08:57:33 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 08:59:54 !tell Brannock you can check out my take on 10762 there: https://github.com/giann/crawl/commit/b7a1f55f7d1308fda6445cb7650eb747f6706cf7 08:59:55 bgiannan: OK, I'll let brannock know. 09:04:12 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:35 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest12399 09:06:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:08:18 !tell Brannock I added CDO to the scripts/crontab and restarted taildb.py 09:08:19 gammafunk: OK, I'll let brannock know. 09:09:16 -!- Guest12399 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:13:20 gammafunk: thanks, I was too quick with that !tell 09:16:08 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:17:48 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:23:44 dpeg: oh, I think your tell is about something else 09:23:51 if you mean the mantis thing 09:23:55 mine was about the t scripts 09:24:13 ah, good! 09:25:08 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:37 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:29:43 -!- TuxQmob has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:56 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:33:08 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:36:03 -!- Dingo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:46:01 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:54 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:55:52 -!- protopulse has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:04 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:42 Ah, found out about the ctrl+o problem on mac Terminal here: http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/3253/ctrl-o-behavior-in-terminal-app 10:06:24 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:37 Oh right, I remmber, the colouring on Terminal isn't the best for Crawl.. 10:06:53 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:16 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest95875 10:08:11 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 10:11:54 -!- Guest95875 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:16:24 Hmf, "use bright colors for bold text" doesn't seem to work.. 10:17:09 -!- jefus- is now known as jefus 10:18:06 does anyone know if there's a way to import saves from online? 10:18:50 i accidentally went down a zig floor without checking any of the loot, and was wondering if there's a way to check if i missed any unrands on that floor 10:19:31 and i cant think of any way of doing that than importing the save file and testing if orange crystal plate was still available in the game 10:19:58 also it'd be nice to have the save file to practice zigging in general 10:20:38 -!- cait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:27:43 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:45 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:31:56 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:32:29 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:32:42 protopulse: I don't think there's a way to savescum (in the mildest sense of the word) online. 10:33:05 hi dpeg 10:33:12 i dont want to savescum online 10:33:18 i just want to grab the save file offline 10:33:24 it wont have any effect on my online save file 10:33:41 that an admin could do for you 10:33:42 or if there was a way to tell if orange crystal plate already generated in my game 10:33:57 who's an admin? 10:34:04 what server? 10:34:10 the one in georgia 10:34:14 ??servers 10:34:14 servers[1/3]: USA: {cao}, {cbro}; CAN: {cjr}; EU: {cdo}, {cue}, {cxc}; KR: {cwz}; JP: {lld}; AU: {cpo} 10:34:15 berotato 10:34:20 cbro 10:34:21 ??cbro 10:34:21 cbro[1/4]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org. Use glyph/sigil ^ for bots 10:34:28