00:00:01 yeah you should give it a go 00:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:18 since you'll be running these during t 00:00:20 okay, running loaddb.py now 00:00:26 no, error 00:00:34 File "loaddb.py", line 233, in fetch_remote 00:00:34 raise IOError, "Failed to fetch %s with wget" % self.url 00:00:34 IOError: Failed to fetch http://www.jorgrun.rocks/meta/0.19/milestones with wget 00:00:36 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:00:41 oopsie 00:00:49 sounds like ZiBuDo has removed it 00:00:57 ZiBuDo: you're still working on 0.19? 00:00:58 ZiBuDo, hit me up when you fix that stuff 00:01:02 t.t 00:01:09 Brannock: you can also comment out cjr and run it 00:01:16 Brannock: you want to see that banner code working, after all 00:01:17 ^ do that for now 00:01:17 I'll do that for now 00:01:36 yea i deleted those dirs 00:01:39 cuz i copied them from git 00:01:40 in test_data.py 00:01:43 Brannock: ^ 00:01:48 not in loaddb.py 00:01:54 rgr 00:02:50 gammafunk: i hope to! 00:03:04 right on 00:04:21 gammafunk, the pages are still up even though I cleared database 00:04:29 loaddb is up to 3000 lines atm 00:04:30 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 00:04:32 6000! 00:04:34 the pages are generated by the script 00:04:37 ok 00:04:42 the database is just the database (mysql) 00:05:12 the script puts data in the db and then queries it to make the pages 00:05:31 queries it, then makes pages with the results from the queries, I should say 00:05:35 I see 00:05:41 gammafunksql 00:05:51 so yeah before t starts, the pages have to be deleted (the ones in clans and players dirs) 00:06:42 -!- Zxpr2jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:07:12 this is running faster than it seemed to for you 00:07:14 already at 9k 00:07:36 do I need to delete the pages for clans to show up, before tournament starts? 00:07:41 that's beocming a common request 00:08:00 Brannock: it slows down at that point 00:08:17 goes up to 150k and is slower around then 00:08:27 then meaning 10k or something like that 00:09:15 120k... 00:09:29 maybe the problem was cjr 00:09:45 Brannock: you need to delete the pages before t starts since they'll contain test data results for clans and players, not because pages won't get updated 00:09:59 ah 00:10:15 if you didn't delete them, the bogus results would eventually get overwritten as people played, but yeah it'd have test data until they did 00:10:48 the pages only get regenerated for a given player/clan when there's a change in info for that player/clan 00:10:51 -!- hellmonk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:12:26 180k 00:12:27 weird 00:12:59 it should be ok as long as it's processing 00:13:32 man this WSG7 is really entertaining 00:15:05 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:20:31 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 00:21:52 ZiBuDo, you are a living example on why I'm too chicken to update cbro 00:22:03 its k 00:22:05 i figured it out 00:22:09 ... 00:22:11 he's a living example of a lot of things tbh 00:22:17 i feel like i should never say i figured it out 00:22:20 I have a ton of server admin notes 00:22:24 I should set them up in some gists 00:22:32 do u remember 00:22:39 how to initialize crawl-master for stable versions 00:22:39 I don't remember how to do anything 00:22:48 : / read ur notes ^.^ 00:23:00 I don't do anything to crawl-master 00:23:06 how did u add 0.19 00:23:14 ZiBuDo, not the wiki notes 00:23:18 I have a ton of little text files 00:23:29 gimme a sec. I'll show you 00:25:20 ZiBuDo, these are the dgamelaunch-config updates: https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config/commit/0671378dfd2e9dfd5d8537adba46b53ae704f61e 00:25:35 the non-dgamelaunch stuff is: 00:25:44 create DGL/dgldir/inprogress directories 00:26:07 create DGL/dgldir/rcfiles/crawl-xxx rcfiles directories 00:26:12 hold on 00:26:18 i did all this besides trigger rebuild atm 00:26:22 i just dont know 00:26:28 how dgl/crawl-master/crawl-0.19 00:26:30 (obviously you need to follow whatever naming convention you have) 00:26:39 gets its data and saves dirs 00:26:51 happens when it installs 00:27:07 part of the update-crawl-stable script 00:27:15 afaik 00:27:41 you have to ensure you've chowned the directories in DGL properly 00:27:45 that always screws me up 00:27:48 hmm 00:27:56 where is the update-crawl-stable script 00:28:15 dgamelaunch-config/crawl-build/ 00:28:20 shouldn't need updated 00:29:15 I only have to update that file to handle experimentals 00:29:24 but for standard versions, shouldn't need any modification 00:31:25 hmm, been at 210k lines for about 15 min now 00:31:32 guess I just gotta wait it out 00:31:48 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:32:28 Brannock: yeah it took me like 30 mins 00:32:49 isn't it weird it went up by 60k between your build and mine? 00:32:53 especially since I'm excluding cjr for this 00:32:55 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:17 not really sure 00:33:22 oh 00:33:34 Brannock: actually, it might have been due to it running partially previous times 00:33:44 so it was 150k from that point 00:33:54 whereas now you're doing it from scratch 00:33:54 (the db wipe) 00:34:08 it had errors that I had to fix in the other python code 00:34:10 ah, probably 00:34:21 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:23 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:37:41 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:38:36 wonder if we should try Kramell for the tourney in ##crawl 00:39:50 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:28 >> there is only 1 solution team 00:44:31 to reinstall chroot 00:48:10 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:48:46 -!- zhaorenwt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:51:58 yeah, might be easier in the end 00:52:33 wouldn't you just run to do a dist upgrade from within the chroot next time? 00:52:39 or does this not work 00:53:09 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 00:53:24 well 00:53:29 this does and doesnt work 00:53:38 i would have had to get lucky 00:53:41 but had some packages 00:53:45 that got me unlucky 00:53:55 literally stuck in a recursive dependency that i couldnt break 00:54:11 -!- adelrune has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:54:12 gammafunk: should i save all the data from 0.17, 0.18, and git 00:54:19 or can i let it be deleted? 00:54:38 right now i am trasnferring current git saves of ppl playing 00:55:26 ZiBuDo: yeah you can't delete all that data, what about the morgues, ttyrecs, rcs, in-progress games for those ver? 00:55:40 ok so i should back it up 00:55:57 I had to reinstall the chroots about 5 times for cbro/dbro. what's your current problem? 00:56:14 16.04 on server and 14.04 in chroot 00:56:16 yeah you want to copy those files back after the chroot is recreated 00:56:20 causing binary trash memes 00:56:26 I think you could have done a dist upgrade on the chroot 00:56:31 yea probably 00:56:33 just like how you did for your main system 00:56:43 yea u could have but i didnt do it right after updating my maint system 00:56:47 like i thot of it too late 00:56:48 I had to do a lot of chroot/host normalization 00:56:51 and messed something up 00:56:55 yeah, hrm 00:57:01 so what all do you need to back up 00:57:12 just that one huge directory 00:57:20 ZiBuDo, you have my extreme sympathy. sorry if I'm not able to provide detailed help 00:57:28 lol it's fine 00:57:30 i have a plan 00:57:33 just gotta do it 00:57:43 sadly the plan involved more memes... 00:57:54 already backed those up 00:58:05 software caused connection error 00:58:08 shoot 00:58:25 gotta scren it 00:58:48 so not backing up ttyrec 00:58:50 that would be fine? 00:58:55 or would i be burned at stake 00:59:07 i can do morgue and the save data 00:59:10 not ideal for -tv 00:59:12 uggghg do I have to redo the loaddb 00:59:36 you should get an account on shalott to rsync the ttyrecs 00:59:48 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-16-g0876c8e (34) 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:42 Stable (0.19) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19.0-2-gae57169 01:00:47 hmm 01:00:53 u just mean -tv cant see past games tho 01:01:45 which sucks! 01:02:24 omg 01:02:28 every one has an opinion 01:03:25 ttyrecs are probably the most egregious part of the entire server process. GIGS AND GIGS of data where maybe 5% will ever be used? 01:04:16 I think it's probably safe to purge ttyrecs that haven't been accessed at all, after N versions 01:04:23 what N is, I don't know 01:04:31 -!- Shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:04:52 but some game from, say, 0.7 crawl, that no one has ever accessed, why are we still storing that ttyrec data? 01:04:53 I wouldn't think that interesting ttyrecs necessarily scale with time though 01:05:16 esp since the sequell data goes back pretty far 01:05:26 but I agree saving them forever probably isn't idea 01:05:28 ideal 01:05:36 whoa 01:05:38 people do query and watch them sometimes 01:05:39 dont think too far ahead 01:05:54 k everything is being back up to gammafunk standards 01:06:02 the regulators cant get me now 01:06:05 !lg * dg hs cv=0.7 -tv 01:06:06 3204. Jaeger, XL24 DgFE, T:90684 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 01:06:06 but note that something like 80% of ttyrecs are from the past 3 versions or something like that. killing 0.7 ttyrecs doesn't get you anything 01:06:27 ur right 01:06:31 just keep .7 ones 01:06:33 cool, katanas 01:06:34 and remove the rest 01:06:38 I forgot these used to be in crawl 01:06:44 just remove everything which isnt linked in learndb 01:06:52 you have to preserve the best splats 01:08:29 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:09:34 you could use some metric to cull "dull" games 01:09:34 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:09:53 akin to the one used to pick bot announcements 01:10:24 like: i doubt anyone's going to watch quitscumming or people who died on d:1 01:10:31 !messages 01:10:32 (1/1) wheals said (15h 28m 57s ago): did you see https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=21946&view=unread#unread ? 01:10:34 how large are these ttyrecs though? 01:10:45 probably not large, but probably very very numerous 01:11:04 gammafunk, I have excellent news 01:11:06 inheritor II works now 01:11:10 cools 01:11:17 and the bad news? 01:11:19 !lg * place=d:1 01:11:26 1627853. zahalkas the Firebug (L1 DsFE), slain by a jackal on D:1 on 2016-11-03 05:09:43, with 5 points after 155 turns and 0:00:32. 01:11:38 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:11:38 the bad news........ I guess graceful II and III are going to be hard to get? no, that's good news 01:11:46 !lg * place=d:1 ktyp~=won 01:11:48 Broken query near '~=won' 01:11:52 oh bluck 01:11:54 oh you mean for testing? 01:11:59 !lg * place=d:1 ktyp!=won 01:12:02 1627854. schistosomatic the Ducker (L1 MiAE), slain by a kobold on D:1 on 2016-11-03 05:10:04, with 2 points after 87 turns and 0:00:47. 01:12:03 yeah you'd have to have a lot of data 01:12:04 lua has ruined my brain 01:12:18 but that's 1.6 million games 01:12:31 !lg place=d:2 01:12:32 184. ontoclasm the Digger (L4 MuEE), quit the game on D:2 on 2016-05-13 20:19:03, with 114 points after 2813 turns and 0:08:30. 01:12:41 !lg * place=d:2 01:12:42 1003626. TheGoonsmith the Poker (L4 MfGl), slain by Sigmund (a +0 scythe) on D:2 on 2016-11-03 05:12:14, with 63 points after 1619 turns and 0:01:57. 01:12:47 yeah I think it's going to be vanishingly rare to find a sub-27k gehenna game 01:12:48 another million on d:2 01:12:50 to confirm graceful 3 works 01:13:00 how large are D:2 ttyrecs? 01:13:10 several kb? 01:13:22 -!- WeeknightWizard has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:13:26 1 mil at several kb is a good chunk of data saved 01:13:49 well, if each is only 1 kB that's 2.6 GB right there 01:13:50 989GB of ttyrecs on shalott 01:14:03 andi assume they are significantly larger than that 01:14:38 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Brannock/ 01:14:49 like.. 10-15 kb? 01:15:28 morgues also are fairly sizable 01:15:35 not as big as ttyrecs of cousre 01:16:20 I think a combination of purging dull games and old-version games would work, short term at least 01:16:26 dang, a 1TB of ttyrecs 01:16:33 how are they compressed? 01:16:40 gzip 01:16:41 usually 01:16:44 ok 01:17:05 but if purging dull/old games, there should be an exception for TVs that were actually requested and watched 01:17:12 if only to preserve good splats and such 01:17:28 sequell has a "number of times watched" stat 01:17:34 oh does it? neat 01:17:36 I didn't know 01:17:38 so that shouldn't be too hard i guess? 01:18:16 Brannock: sub-27k k game would be many modern 15-rune turncount runs 01:18:22 depending on how you mean vanishingly 01:18:37 but that's like top 30 scores 01:18:43 -!- rainwizard has quit [Client Quit] 01:19:09 25k turns final floor Gehenna is the majority of 15-runes runs? 01:19:25 most 15-runers seem to hit the 75k+ turncount total, let alone for Gehenna only 01:19:32 Brannock: turncount runs 01:19:38 oh 01:19:41 I read that as "tournament" 01:19:41 meaning turncount speedruns, ie. top scoring games 01:19:43 my bad 01:19:54 oh yeah I should have said turncount speedrun, since "turncount run" is confusing 01:20:00 the most recent 15-runer was ... 167k 01:20:10 a caster, of course 01:20:20 but yeah there aren't super a lot of those <30k 15-runers obviously 01:20:37 maybe a 100 or so 01:20:46 since you can do hell before pan 01:20:53 the usk banner code uses the same logic as the okawaru banner code with 'game' replaced with 'mile', of course 01:20:55 so it's Probably fine 01:21:01 yeah 01:21:02 and the first usk banner seems to be working fine 01:21:19 !lm * recent br.end=geh turns<27000 01:21:23 51. [2016-11-01 07:42:18] mooon the Wrestler (L22 TrFi of Cheibriados) reached level 7 of Gehenna on turn 17324. (Geh:7) 01:21:26 51 01:21:27 51, not bad 01:21:31 neat, it's mooon too 01:21:34 only for recent though 01:21:38 ??recent 01:21:39 Keyword: recent => cv>=0.17 01:21:42 ?kw recent 01:21:44 er 01:21:45 !kw recent 01:21:46 Keyword: recent => cv>=0.17 01:21:59 !lm * br.end=geh turns<27000 01:22:00 136. [2016-11-01 07:42:18] mooon the Wrestler (L22 TrFi of Cheibriados) reached level 7 of Gehenna on turn 17324. (Geh:7) 01:22:01 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:22:14 decently rare 01:22:20 it'll be interesting seeing how many get that banner 01:22:26 line is ... 8. over/under? 01:22:27 yeah, probably just a handful at best 01:22:58 -!- Thraspic has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:24:25 gammafunk, can you think of anything else to test 01:24:41 Brannock: are all servers represented (aside from cjr and cdo)? 01:24:48 let me check again 01:24:49 let me go click around some I guess 01:25:08 Brannock: it finished ok, loaddby.py with no errors? 01:25:19 yes 01:25:25 ??t 01:25:25 tournament[1/6]: The 0.19 tournament will run from 20:00 UTC Friday 4 Nov 2016 to 20:00 UTC Sunday 20 Nov 2016. Tournament home page: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.19/ 01:26:17 cwz, cxc, cbro, CAO, cue, lld, CPO 01:26:19 ??servers 01:26:19 servers[1/3]: USA: {cao}, {cbro}; CAN: {cjr}; EU: {cdo}, {cue}, {cxc}; KR: {cwz}; JP: {lld}; AU: {cpo} 01:26:28 yup 01:26:29 ^vps 01:26:30 CBRO disk usage=76% (135GB) | RAM usage=39% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 01:26:28 up 720 days, 10:45, 2 users, load average: 1.06, 0.97, 1.00 (4 Cores) 01:26:31 taht's all of them 01:26:55 like herding cats 01:27:01 excuse me 01:27:05 the preferred nomenclature is felids 01:27:15 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 01:27:23 &&versions 01:27:33 good uptime for cbro btw 01:27:47 it's just a sign of how badly it needs some maintenance 01:28:12 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:28:15 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 01:28:22 I'm too scared to do much since I don't want to end up in the situation ZiBuDo is in 01:28:31 xD 01:28:41 i backed everything up and started my journey 01:28:45 soon ill have a white beard 01:28:50 my plan is to set up a new server, hopefully using something like docker and central auth, and just shut down, migrate needed files, and start the new one 01:29:15 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 01:29:24 and maybe central auth isn't reall CENTRAL AUTH, but at least a step better than now. it's such a contentious subject I regret even mentioning it 01:30:16 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 01:31:15 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 01:31:54 Brannock: I guess what you can do is run taildb.py overnight 01:32:10 I think I need to re-enable cjr, and turn off test mode? 01:32:11 then tomorrow could look over the present results really quick before wiping 01:32:15 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 01:32:16 oh just for more testing 01:32:17 ok 01:32:19 yeah 01:32:26 cjr won't be ready until tomorrow or friday 01:32:30 and no word yead on cdo either 01:32:41 but you could let data come in for what we have configured 01:32:45 well taildb is activated 01:32:47 cool 01:32:57 I'll wake up and see the burning remnants 01:32:59 you can even do another test wipe and load tomorrow 01:33:03 when cjr is avail or w/e 01:33:15 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 01:33:16 cwz/lld is fully set to go? 01:33:28 those are enabled and games should be there 01:33:30 I saw some 01:33:31 for cwz 01:33:33 how hyped are the koreans for the tournament? 01:33:56 !lm * name~~gammafunk cwz 01:33:59 290. [2016-10-27 10:24:58] gammafunk the Destroyer (L17 TrCK of Nemelex Xobeh) found a serpentine rune of Zot on turn 42324. (Snake:4) 01:34:04 it's been some days since I've been there 01:34:06 290 games! 01:34:13 290 milestones 01:34:16 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 01:34:18 not that many games 01:34:23 !lg gammafunk cwz 01:34:23 No games for gammafunk (cwz). 01:34:26 mostly trck novelty runs 01:34:32 !lg * name~~gammafunk cwz 01:34:34 14. gammafunk the Summoner (L14 TrCK of Nemelex Xobeh), quit the game on Orc:2 (guppyfry_orc_lava_fort) on 2016-10-20 03:09:36, with 64537 points after 28493 turns and 3:20:25. 01:34:43 weird, why doesn't it work the other query? 01:34:49 oh I exclude those since 01:34:51 they're weird 01:34:57 ic 01:35:08 sequell is a lot more flexible than I expected 01:35:13 !nick gammafunk 01:35:14 Mapping gammafunk => (!cwz) gammafunk 01:35:18 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 01:35:36 !won . !cao 01:35:36 Brannock (!cao) has won 81 times in 910 games (8.90%): 1xCeFi 1xDDBe 1xDDFi 1xDEFi 1xDgFi 1xDgMo 1xDrAs 1xDrBe 1xDrFE 1xDrFi 1xDsAK 1xDsAM 1xDsAr 1xDsAs 1xDsBe 1xDsCK 1xDsFi 1xDsGl 1xDsHu 1xDsIE 1xDsMo 1xDsNe 1xDsSk 1xDsTm 1xDsWn 1xDsWr 1xFeFi 1xFoFi 1xGhFi 1xGrAs 1xGrFi 1xGrGl 1xGrMo 1xHEFi 1xHOBe 1xHOFi 1xHOGl 1xHOHu 1xHOMo 1xHaFi 1xHuFi 1xKoFi 1xMfBe 1xMfFi 1xMfGl 1xMiAE 1xMiAK 1xMiAM 1xMiAr 1x... 01:35:37 !won . cao 01:35:38 Brannock (cao) has won 3 times in 799 games (0.38%): 1xDECj 1xGrBe 1xSpAs 01:35:56 plays terribly on cao 01:36:00 must be the routing 01:36:01 learned to play on cao :P 01:36:09 CJR is returning 403 errors for kramell 01:36:14 CJR isn't set up yet 01:36:16 for 0.19 01:36:16 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 01:36:18 it'll be a day or two 01:36:21 yeah cjr is going through extreme makover 01:37:12 !uniqueplayer 01:37:13 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:37:16 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 01:38:05 !cmd uniqueplayer 01:38:05 No command !uniqueplayer 01:38:15 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 01:38:18 huh, could have sworn there was one 01:38:21 is that supposed to be "killed all uniques"? 01:38:24 there probably is 01:38:28 no, it's how many games won without repeats 01:38:32 oh 01:38:33 ??uniqueplayer 01:38:37 48628 games for * (won): 195x Zooty [1], 157x Surr [1], 84x Brannock [1], 71x ackack [1], 66x edsrzf [1], 53x kryft [1], 49x Mandevil [1], 48x Jeremie [1], 47x Blomdor [1], 47x Pseudonut [1], 45x Hellmonk [1], 42x Mattybee [1], 42x SGrunt [1], 40x Swiss [1], 40x Iaido [1], 40x Wark [1], 39x Category [1], 37x thromnambular [1], 37x Doesnt [1], 36x mursu [1], 34x fazisi [1], 34x demonblade [1], 32x ... 01:38:40 yeah there's a command for that, isn't there 01:38:40 oh hey 01:39:06 !learn q uniqueplayer 01:39:06 I don't have a page labeled uniqueplayer in my learndb. 01:39:13 I could deliver the devteam 26 Minotaur wins... 01:39:15 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 01:39:18 but then my uniqueplayer streak would be dead 01:39:25 ??uniqueplayer 01:39:29 48628 games for * (won): 195x Zooty [1], 157x Surr [1], 84x Brannock [1], 71x ackack [1], 66x edsrzf [1], 53x kryft [1], 49x Mandevil [1], 48x Jeremie [1], 47x Blomdor [1], 47x Pseudonut [1], 45x Hellmonk [1], 42x Mattybee [1], 42x SGrunt [1], 40x Swiss [1], 40x Iaido [1], 40x Wark [1], 39x Category [1], 37x thromnambular [1], 37x Doesnt [1], 36x mursu [1], 34x fazisi [1], 34x demonblade [1], 32x ... 01:39:40 is that in :beh: or something 01:39:44 -!- AltReality has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:39:45 beh? 01:39:52 r??uniqueplayer 01:39:57 Zooty, Surr, Brannock, ackack, edsrzf, kryft, Mandevil, Jeremie, Blomdor, Pseudonut, Hellmonk, Mattybee, SGrunt, Swiss, Iaido, Wark, Category, thromnambular, Doesnt, mursu, fazisi, demonblade, Shovelmint, hypermikee, emikaela, noobcanoe, simok, Ahrin, cribozai, acwest, Ramc, zix, Waterpls, vev, Glenstorm, blakmane, hellse, hannobal, Amilir, MIASMA, Zargon, sorear, anon, Kalma, Sabaki, wheals, Demo... 01:40:00 q??uniqueplayer 01:40:01 I don't have a page labeled uniqueplayer in my learndb. 01:40:19 input "beh"aviors, handled specially by sequell 01:40:19 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 01:40:22 ic 01:40:23 like 01:40:24 cang 01:40:24 cang 01:40:29 -!- AltReality has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:40:31 that's a :beh: 01:40:44 gong 01:40:44 SHROANNG! 01:40:44 neat 01:40:47 clang 01:40:57 clang?? 01:40:57 clang 01:41:06 which is not, it's just a reversed ?? 01:41:11 !learn q clang 01:41:12 clang[1/3]: do {.echo clang} 01:41:13 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41:22 because grunt is weird 01:41:26 rip grunt 01:41:32 grunt?? 01:41:32 dang rip 01:41:33 yeah I don't know how ??uniqueplayer works 01:41:44 -!- AltReality has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:42:18 !learn q uniqueplayers 01:42:18 uniqueplayers[1/1]: see {!lg * won s=name x=${cdist(char)/cdist(gid)} o=${cdist(char)/cdist(gid)},N} 01:42:36 + sequell autocorrecting uniqueplayer to uniqueplayers 01:42:37 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:42:45 ??cdo 01:42:46 cdo[1/4]: Crawl server (also running 4.1), located in Germany, crawl.develz.org, telnet port 345 or ssh port 22, ssh-username: crawl, ssh-key necessary: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key (openssh) or http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk (putty) 01:43:38 -!- mibert has joined ##crawl-dev 01:44:05 Kramin, wondering if we should try out Kramell for the tourney. would mean organizing the other server admin bots to not announce anything, which may be tricky 01:44:19 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:44:31 ah! 01:44:32 ??bots 01:44:33 bots[1/3]: Bots that can be pm'd: announcement bots: Henzell (CAO, !), Gretell (CDO, @), Lantell (CUE, $), Rotatell (CBRO, ^), Eksell (CXC, |), Jorgrell (CJR, =); others: Varmin, Cheibriados (%), and Sequell (! ?? & and others) 01:44:37 that's funny, re autocorrect 01:44:38 -!- AltReality has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:44:40 I should have guessed 01:44:48 johnstein: does kramell actually filter milestones/logfile entries in any way? 01:44:52 yes 01:44:57 how? 01:45:02 check out ##crawl-announcements 01:45:20 Kramin reads the milestones directly from the servers then uses regex 01:45:30 I don't know the details though. he could fill in. 01:45:59 -!- AltReality has quit [Client Quit] 01:46:22 oh, reading from the servers, yes... I actually knew kramell could do that 01:46:30 the issue with that is that there is a delay 01:46:39 it wasn't too bad I didn't think 01:46:54 hey a few people are reporting that 0.19 builds from the official APT repository depend on crawl-common 0.15: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/5asdur/help_updating_to_019/?st=iv1xi293&sh=b8a595e4 01:46:57 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:47:06 The following packages have unmet dependencies: crawl : Depends: crawl-common (= 2:0.15.1-1) but 2:0.19.0-1 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. 01:47:10 oh. but not sure if the version I saw in ##crawl-announcements was only for cbro. if so, then yea, I could see how we'd get more delay 01:47:15 * geekosaur actually guessed that but missed it in the list after ?/-ing unique 01:47:16 er 01:47:19 sigh 01:47:20 possibly it is okay, I just know that when it relays qw milestones to ##qw they have some delay 01:47:41 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:47:58 I'm just envisioning a ton of spam in ##crawl and I really don't want to have to fiddle with modifying perl to quiet it down 01:47:59 moving from near-realtime to sub-60secs is probably fine imo 01:48:00 might still be an improvement over current status in ##crawl if the filters are easily customizable via IRC 01:48:11 I think it's much less than 60s 01:48:11 chequers: oh, that error is because we don't have packages for rasberry pi 01:48:26 we only have i386 and amd64 01:48:31 elliptic, well and even if it requires Kramin, that's still just one person, and not 6 01:48:31 elliptic: yeah, I only poll every minute (I think) 01:48:37 it sounds like previous versions worked for pi though 01:48:44 I could probably have it be faster 01:48:50 why does software have to be so complicated 01:48:50 I think it's worth trying out 01:48:54 since it's only a small fetch 01:48:56 gammafunk: aha, it's ARM isnt it 01:49:00 -!- jdeeny has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:49:01 yeah 01:49:03 easy enough to return 0 for newsworthy for the current bots 01:49:09 the repo lists that we have that arch 01:49:18 which I guess we did for older versions 01:49:23 i'm going to post this explanation 01:49:33 cool 01:49:38 if we don't care about small delays like that, possibly hacking this functionality into sequell would be best in the long run? since sequell already fetches stuff pretty frequently 01:49:43 thank you chequers 01:49:53 and has lots of logic and IRC interaction already built in 01:50:06 we didn't have arm support for 0.18 either 01:50:06 I feel almost like sequell should cache certain queries 01:50:09 given how long some of them take 01:50:10 maybe we did for 0.15 though 01:50:35 I wonder how big the processing load is for some of these queries 01:50:46 especially with the data expanding with each version 01:50:52 johnstein: I'd be happy to do that, would have to modify kramell slightly, but just let me know 01:51:06 scalability... 01:51:18 I hate these scalability questions for interviews 01:51:23 the data set size is pretty small, still 01:51:25 I just wanna edit code 01:51:26 6m games 01:52:03 about 3gb of data for the scoreboard's schema 01:52:27 (almost exactly 1:1 with the logfiles, interestingly) 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:11 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0.2/20161019084923]] 02:03:12 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:03:54 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:10:13 -!- zhaorenwt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:17:57 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:20:16 -!- Pekkekk has quit [] 02:23:18 -!- rossi_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 02:26:12 -!- fatkid has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:34:05 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:40:44 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:07 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:42:50 -!- AndChat|269841 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:44:45 -!- AndChat|269841 has quit [Client Quit] 02:45:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:45:53 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:45:58 -!- AndChat|269841 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:46:50 -!- AndChat|269841 is now known as SteelNeuron 02:50:34 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:51:39 -!- protopulse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:55:29 -!- ythm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:47 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:42 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:08:41 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:10:24 -!- Odds has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:57 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-16-g0876c8e (34) 03:14:57 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:20:13 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:22:40 -!- mittak has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 03:25:42 -!- anubiscrapfoobis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:28:05 -!- Kramin is now known as Kraminnotadmin 03:28:33 -!- Kraminnotadmin is now known as Kramin 03:29:29 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:41 johnstein, chequers I tweaked Kramell so it would be fine in ##crawl (special casing to stop it relaying sequell etc) so I can get that going when you want to test 03:29:53 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:30:15 I dunno if you want to just have filters or have users add themselves with $name 03:30:54 kramin I can turn off henzell and Rotatell tomorrow 03:30:59 after running it by the other server admin's 03:31:03 admins 03:31:16 ok 03:31:17 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 03:32:05 I'd stick to the current paradigm now. just see if Krammel can demonstrate parity with the current setup 03:32:33 yup 03:32:34 if so we can switch to Kramell with no one really noticing 03:32:44 then start messing with knobs and dials 03:32:56 they might notice all the messages being grey 03:32:58 you think 30s is doable for pinging? 03:33:03 ah 03:33:09 I'll check 03:33:11 what I have 03:33:25 yea. but colors are tweak able. I'd leave it gray 03:34:11 what delay can reduce it down to do you think 03:35:02 I'm gonna try 10 secs for a bit 03:35:39 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:44 it has a limit of the size per fetch 03:35:49 fairly small 03:35:51 ok 03:39:37 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:41:11 it works and is pratically instant (I started and quitted a few games) 03:41:24 as long as that isn't too much strain on the servers 03:41:36 but I imagine it isn't... 03:49:04 ~jorgrun 03:49:30 =jorgrun 03:50:08 -!- Jorgrell has joined ##crawl-dev 03:50:19 =jorgrun 03:50:25 rocks 03:50:32 !!! 03:51:05 -!- Jorgrell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:51:22 -!- Jorgrell has joined ##crawl-dev 03:51:25 =jorgrun 03:51:37 >.< 03:51:39 rocks 03:51:42 ^.^ 03:53:03 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:53:54 Stable (0.19) branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19.0-2-gae57169 03:54:17 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:54:40 Webtiles server stopped. 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:04:35 anyone remember where dgamelaunch logs r for checking putty crashes 04:07:06 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:09:52 Webtiles server started. 04:09:58 Webtiles server stopped. 04:10:02 Webtiles server started. 04:14:43 Webtiles server stopped. 04:14:45 Webtiles server started. 04:16:38 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:22:19 hey 04:22:29 rip i memed myself 04:22:29 rip 04:22:34 nice 04:22:38 rip 04:23:30 jesus 04:23:32 I just realized 04:23:40 in that song playing on the cjr homepage 04:23:56 that's ZiBuDo saying "Welcome...to crawl.jorgrun.rocks....the smoooth server" 04:24:05 lol 04:24:08 well 04:24:11 everything is set up 04:24:15 but i have 2 old problems 04:24:19 a stale pid 04:24:25 and watching in putty crashes 04:24:32 so do u know where the dgamelaunch log is 04:24:43 there is a log that it generates, but 04:24:51 I think it's not super useful 04:24:52 yea its bad 04:25:03 i just need to check it out cuz i think i fixed it with that last time 04:25:31 then with regard to the stale pid 04:25:31 http://puu.sh/s4VMI/546825a1f8.png 04:25:36 all i have is that in my notes 04:25:40 and it just does nothing 04:25:48 i am prety sure i am some stupid eureka moment 04:25:52 and assumed i would remember 04:25:56 rather than writing it down 04:26:15 ZiBuDo: Also create the file “dgamelaunch” directly under the chroot; it will be used as a shared memory key. Contents don't matter. (if you want debug messages, also create the file dgldebug.log and make it writable for crawl. Warning, the file has a reputation of not being incredibly useful.) 04:27:29 ZiBuDo: stale pid referring to what, you see a stale pid file? 04:27:46 well there is a webtiles.pid 04:27:51 which is just a number 04:27:59 but the server just start and stops 04:28:05 and references a stale pid 04:28:10 so i try deleting that file 04:28:14 so it generates a new one 04:28:18 but that does not work 04:28:28 the file doesn't update? 04:28:34 well it changes 04:28:39 just its somehow always stale 04:29:04 do i create dgldebug.log in the root of chroot? 04:29:14 that's what those instructions imply, yeah 04:29:25 ZiBuDo: it sounds like the webtiles server is starting then immediately stopping? 04:29:44 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 04:29:46 I guess I'm unclear what's happening, and what you notice as being stale 04:29:59 well the log only says there is a stale pid 04:30:00 ZiBuDo: that file needs to be writeable by the crawl user, the dgldebug.log 04:30:04 i think someone showed me 04:30:06 a way 04:30:15 to view the server py starting 04:30:18 and i figured it out 04:30:26 ... 04:30:26 yeah 04:30:29 you can start it without daemonizing 04:30:48 but you need to do that from chroot I think 04:31:32 so you're not seeing helpful info in webtiles.log? 04:31:56 w8 04:32:01 how do i start it w/o daemon 04:32:09 that is it i think 04:32:13 you have to change the config 04:32:17 oh yea 04:32:20 there's a variable for it 04:35:42 yay 04:35:44 we did it 04:35:49 it was an ssl error 04:36:15 and i know why! 04:36:16 wooo 04:37:40 i'm so HYPE 04:38:37 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:38:38 same tbh 04:40:19 cjr is serving raw php files 04:41:18 Webtiles server stopped. 04:41:21 Webtiles server started. 04:41:30 try it 04:41:33 YES I KNOW 04:41:34 FUCK 04:41:35 Dx 04:41:48 gammafunk: please test me 04:41:53 (the db credentials were leaked) 04:42:00 ok 04:42:00 ah shit 04:42:33 escu 04:42:39 which link reveals them 04:42:41 so i can fix 04:42:52 https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/leaderboards.html for example 04:43:08 thanks 04:45:27 alright fixed that for now 04:45:33 nvm 04:45:34 kek 04:47:53 ZiBuDo: all versions start and seem to play fine for webtiles 04:47:59 testing under RandomTiles 04:48:06 but I can't spectate on console still it seems 04:48:09 yea 04:48:18 i can troubleshoot that tomorrow 04:48:22 but i did alot today 04:48:31 cool 04:48:36 yeah and I can still play on console 04:48:50 yea spectating made it crash and i know i fixed it before 04:48:55 so once i start down that ill get it 04:49:08 ill rework the sites over the next week 04:49:20 but 0.19 is up now 04:50:09 cool 04:50:23 cya l8er 04:50:26 o/ 04:52:12 -!- tmass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:54:15 -!- SteelNeuron_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:55:06 -!- ZiBuDo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:57:17 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:26 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:09:40 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:12:07 -!- SteelNeuron_ is now known as SteelNeuron 05:12:21 should it be possible to get a deep troll earth mage on D:2 05:14:43 from ood, yes 05:14:49 !source mon-pick-data.h 05:14:49 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-pick-data.h 05:15:11 { 22, 30, 136, SEMI, MONS_DEEP_TROLL_EARTH_MAGE }, 05:15:14 in pop_d 05:15:31 depths 22-30, so they only generate as some form of ood spawn 05:15:46 either from a vault or by staying on the level a long time 05:16:20 !tell Brannock Zibudo got cjr (hopefully) fixed, so I added it back to test_data.py and restarted taildb.py 05:16:21 gammafunk: OK, I'll let brannock know. 05:23:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:31:15 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:34:06 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:40:23 -!- ebarrett_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:48:10 -!- insecticide10 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:51:30 ??tes 05:51:30 I don't have a page labeled tes in my learndb. Did you mean: des, te, test, tss, de. 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:01 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:12:08 -!- insecticide10 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:33:23 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:45:18 -!- insecticide10 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:47:55 Kramin: you can test with CPO whenever you feel like 06:48:40 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:40 -!- cojito has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:53:03 I'll do all at once probably 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:04:25 -!- kdrnic has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:16:10 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:47 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:32:10 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 07:37:32 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:34 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:38 !messages 07:47:38 No messages for wheals. 07:49:16 wheals: are you looking for a clan 07:49:52 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:13 yeah 08:07:44 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:11:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 08:11:20 -!- miek_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:21:25 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:26:02 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 08:27:22 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:17 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:29:34 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 08:31:22 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:37 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:43:08 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 08:44:52 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:05 !messages 08:47:05 No messages for SteelNeuron. 08:47:48 !send SteelNeuron messages 08:47:48 Sending messages to SteelNeuron. 08:48:08 Haha 08:48:15 I'm still getting to grips with IRC. I was born too late 08:48:19 I didn't even know you could register 08:53:20 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:57:36 SteelNeuron: millenial? 08:58:24 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:59:27 I don't even know the cutoff for "Millennial" anymore. I think it's also fairly regional too (the cutoff) 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:49 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 09:01:12 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:01:41 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:41 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 09:02:55 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:55 if you were born after the year 999AD...then you're pretty much a millenial! 09:13:35 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 09:14:43 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:35 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 09:18:52 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:48 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:32:08 -!- Dracunos72 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:33:59 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 09:33:59 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:00 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:36:21 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 09:36:52 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:34 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:45:08 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:47:40 -!- Leszczynek has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:51:57 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:54:03 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:45 -!- Alcopop has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:55:09 I'm from 1990, so I suppose I'm not 09:55:20 But I hadn't had the chance to use IRC before :) 09:55:52 -!- Kaishin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:40 -!- kdrnic has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:58:24 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05:38 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:07:00 -!- quilel has quit [Client Quit] 10:12:13 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:14:55 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 10:15:09 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:10 -!- Kaishin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:15:33 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:36 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:13 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 10:18:13 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 10:19:22 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:26 -!- Nahz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:28:12 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:24 any good chat vibes? 10:34:46 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 10:35:52 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:22 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:45 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 10:39:05 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:06 A bit quiet atm. I'm wondering where most of the devs are from. USA? 10:39:13 I'm from Europe myself 10:39:52 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:56 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 10:42:52 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:30 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 10:49:52 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:28 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:56:35 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:12 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:02:08 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 11:02:22 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:46 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:04:15 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 11:05:22 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:38 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:11:06 -!- jdeeny has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:30 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 11:14:23 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:18 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 11:20:52 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:05 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:22:06 -!- insecticide10 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:24:30 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 11:24:52 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:48 most of us are from North America yeah 11:28:48 Brannock: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:29:46 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31:00 -!- Shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:34:34 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:40 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:38:35 -!- Laraso has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:39:06 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:41:30 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:32 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:47 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:08 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 11:51:25 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:37 -!- insecticide10 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09:01 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:15:20 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:23:51 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:30:15 !tell Lasty There's a forum thread about "Uskayaw scumming". I think they're missing the point, perhaps you want to tell them :) 12:30:16 dpeg: OK, I'll let lasty know. 12:31:01 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:31 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 12:32:54 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:58 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:33:45 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:01 -!- Zekka has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:36:22 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 12:36:29 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:15 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:39:14 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 12:39:57 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:40:07 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:38 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 12:43:24 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:02 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:08 -!- TuxQmob has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:22 -!- Patashu__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:07 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:04:25 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-16-g0876c8e (34) 13:05:03 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:06:07 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:43 -!- koboldina_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:07:41 -!- koboldina has quit [Client Quit] 13:08:35 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:56 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:11:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:25 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:33 -!- TuxQmob has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12:39 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:56 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16:57 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:04 -!- TuxQmob has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:04 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 13:17:04 -!- TuxQmob has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:11 -!- Chase is now known as Guest177 13:18:36 -!- ZiBuDo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:29 !messages 13:19:29 No messages for ZiBuDo. 13:21:44 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:33 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:53 -!- adelrune has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:29:01 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:29:58 millenial is just shorthand for "get off my lawn" 13:30:00 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:33 actually it's short for snake person 13:31:44 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:49 !messages 13:32:49 No messages for SteelNeuron. 13:33:02 I swear, I don't understand how this thing works. I know someone sent a message before 13:34:18 not to you, unless you read it already 13:34:26 !tell SteelNeuron have a new message, on the house 13:34:26 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 13:34:41 !tell SteelNeuron: message galore! 13:34:42 Sorry ZiBuDo, I don't know who steelneuron: is. 13:34:48 lol 13:34:52 just kill me 13:34:55 !messages 13:34:55 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (29s ago): have a new message, on the house 13:34:56 note that you can /msg Sequell !messages 13:35:03 Ohhh 13:35:06 note that you can /msg Sequell !tell 13:35:27 oops, that wasn't supposed to be that repeated... w/e 13:35:27 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:40 Also... Does the NickSrv store passwords in plaintext? I hope not 13:35:41 SteelNeuron: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:36:09 !messages 13:36:10 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (43s ago): secret message 13:36:16 you would have to ask one of the freenode opers 13:36:55 http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/25388/how-secure-are-passwords-that-are-set-via-ircs-nicksrv somewhat informative 13:37:10 but for details, you'd need to follow geekosaur's advice 13:38:11 -!- Odds has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:38:24 freenode runs its own services thing, may differ from what other IRC servers use by default. also you can do auth by means other than the plaintext password stuff (in particular, you can configure for certificate auth or secure hashes via SASL) 13:40:03 Hmm, default MD5, better than nothing 13:41:41 On a different note... I never asked who I should contact to set up a experimental / hosted branch for the council god. I think I squashed all remaining bugs (at least the obvious ones) and the PR + writeup is up, so I thought it may be a good time 13:42:11 I haven't used webtiles much so I don't know who's responsible 13:44:01 experimentals are usually hosted on cbro, which is johnstein's 13:45:48 I think cpo also hosts some experimentals? that'd be chequers 13:46:20 Last time we discussed it I think chequers preferred to host more out there stuff, like forks 13:46:41 But thanks for the pointer on johnstein :) 13:47:08 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 13:51:28 if the pointer's not enough, i'd be happy to give you a reference 13:52:04 you need a C++ smart pointer :p 13:52:29 But is it an owned reference? :P 13:57:37 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:58:24 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:17 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:29 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:10 good tech: draining makes pack monsters reshuffle to push highest HD (I assume) monster into front, buying you extra turns 14:01:10 deng 14:01:28 so a weapon of draining is great if you can pull e.g. yaks into a corridor or corner 14:02:17 I'm not sure how much it ends up mattering 14:02:23 since the new monster is full health 14:02:36 but you eventually whittle the entire pack down 14:04:14 it might be nice to rethink swapping at some point. it's a trademark minmay issue 14:05:15 I remember the old days when monsters could pick up weaopns off the floor. so if you killed an orc with a good weapon, every orc after that would step into the space, stop to pick up and equip the new weapon, giving you two free shots on every single orc after that 14:06:47 This game really wants me to play caster... I got book of ice, staff of ice, ring of wizardry, +5 int ring and an awesome randart robe at D:4-6 14:06:56 of course I'm playing Fi 14:07:09 oh and amulet of magic regen 14:08:31 -!- smee has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:08:46 ya 14:08:47 i don't think it was 2 shots 14:08:47 maybe 1? yeah, 1 14:08:47 i think they picked up and equipped in 1 turn 14:08:49 good stuff for ##crawl for sure 14:08:54 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Client Quit] 14:09:50 sorry, god carried away and forgot I was in dev- :) 14:10:01 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:10:20 no worries 14:11:09 monsters pick up and wield weapons really really fast 14:13:50 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:46 -!- mibert has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:01:38 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:02:15 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:13 -!- mibert has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:06 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:23:44 -!- Dr_Jackal has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:26:45 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:18 -!- Odds has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:44 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:34 Could anyone give me some tips on how ghost monsters (i.e. tukima's) differ from regular monsters when it comes to chance of hit? If at all? 15:30:52 and if they don't, what stats can I play around with to make them more or less precise? 15:32:59 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:33:57 It seems to be hit dice only, right? 15:34:23 (and weapon stats) 15:36:00 -!- Nahz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:37:34 -!- THERetroGamerNY has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 15:37:35 there's a "fighter" tag that makes them more accurate 15:37:35 but i dunno if tukima's can have it 15:37:35 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:37:35 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:41:32 -!- Guest177 is now known as chase 15:41:35 -!- chase is now known as ChaseSP 15:43:22 I learned a lot reading the differences between tukima's and spectral weapons... Interesting differences 15:43:39 I was making things obscenely overpowered haha 15:48:56 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:53:55 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:44 -!- ishanyx has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:22 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/387 * 0.20-a0-61-g73f8aa0: Flying weapon rebalance + better scaling (Toned down across the board) 10(60 seconds ago, 6 files, 17+ 35-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/73f8aa05ed2d 15:59:25 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:25 -!- Ge0ff is now known as teamgozag 16:03:03 -!- teamgozag is now known as Ge0ff 16:08:26 -!- Lohengramm is now known as FinalBossDad 16:10:23 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:17:22 -!- dippn has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:19:12 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:20:41 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:34:44 -!- ythm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:36:04 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: o7] 16:36:45 -!- ig0rb1t is now known as ig0rbit 16:38:29 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:41:51 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:43:33 -!- Rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:27 -!- mibert has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:47:09 -!- Rast has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:47:39 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:48:12 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:52:15 -!- Patashu__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:56:29 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:57:11 -!- Bammboo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:59:38 -!- mittak has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:48 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 17:02:53 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:03:56 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:39 -!- Kenran has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:37 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:56 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:56 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:07 -!- TuxQmob has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:46 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:04 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:20:42 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:44 @??shadow wraith 17:20:44 shadow wraith (13W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 47-63 | AC/EV: 7/7 | Dam: 2713(drain speed) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08cleanse++ | XP: 774 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 17:20:51 what's even the point of these things 17:20:59 I guess they're wraith++ 17:21:59 -!- Keskitalo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:25:00 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:31:58 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:32:43 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:32:56 -!- dippn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:26 -!- desolator has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:34:16 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:36:45 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:43:27 -!- OrphineM_ has quit [] 17:46:17 @??lich 17:46:18 lich (15L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 64-95 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08cleanse++ | XP: 2954 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), force lance (3d22), sum.greater demon, slow, invisibility / b.corrosive (3d23), crystal spear (3d40), petrify, haste / .. 17:46:18 what is the deal with Vul: cleanse++? is this some renaming of holy? 17:46:18 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:48:44 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:54:07 amalloy: i think so 17:54:34 holy damage generally is a ridiculous mess as far as i recall, but i think that specific thing that monster reports only applied to cleansing flame damage at least 17:59:09 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:02:26 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:03:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:44 MarvinPA: amalloy: 'cleanse' also applies to holy flames! 18:03:47 the ophan thing 18:03:57 iirc those two are it 18:04:09 i always assumed holy flames just did holy damage 18:04:14 well 18:04:17 what is 'holy damage' 18:04:25 damage resisted by things with rHoly 18:04:38 and dealing extra damage to things with rHoly- 18:04:41 i guess the issue here is 18:04:42 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:04:54 "what is rholy" 18:04:57 ya 18:05:02 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:11 cleansing flame/holy flames are disjoint from the things that holy wrath affects 18:05:12 of course, it's circular. i don't see how calling it "cleanse" instead improves that 18:05:16 iirc there was a third category at some point 18:05:30 but people consistently thought that holy wrath had something to do with rHoly 18:05:32 which: it doesn't 18:05:38 (rHoly- or w/e) 18:05:57 PleasingFungus: disjoint is a stronger word than you thought, afaik? it would imply that there is no overlap 18:05:58 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:00 and holy wrath is a lot more common than other sources of "holy" damage 18:06:03 sorry, yeah, not disjoint 18:06:20 but you get my meaning 18:06:22 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest55712 18:06:56 so, things with vul: cleanse are...not impacted by holy wrath? that doesn't sound right 18:07:17 things with vul: cleanse take extra damage from cleansing flame 18:07:33 and that is a larger set of monsters than the set of monsters that take extra damage from holy wrath 18:07:38 probably: it shouldn't be? 18:08:23 would make tso even weaker early, rip etc! but it's definitely super messy and confusing currently 18:08:50 and holy wrath affects...monsters which are undead or demonic? 18:08:50 iirc there was a third category at some point 18:08:50 amalloy: yes 18:09:04 -!- Guest55712 has quit [Client Quit] 18:09:19 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:24 right, holy wrath affects a relatively well-defined set of things, whereas who knows what cleansing flame affects 18:09:35 undead and demons but also some deep elves i guess?! 18:09:46 -!- Thraspic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:09:58 'evil' monsters 18:10:17 could always make cleansing flame more powerful against non-vulnerable monsters 18:10:35 higher base damage, lower multiplier 18:10:40 yeah 18:12:58 wow, priests and paladins used to have an innate Holy enhancer 18:12:58 crazy 18:13:22 hah yeah 18:13:27 (which obviously was a necromancy anti-enhancer) 18:13:33 i remember that sitting around commented out for many years 18:13:51 I would love an innate Holy enhancer 18:13:56 that would set me up forever in fact 18:14:10 what would you do with it? 18:14:15 friggin 18:14:20 blast things 18:14:21 with holy 18:16:45 deng 18:17:36 still hunting for the legendary time in which there were three different rHoly mechanics. apparently mpa's very last commit in 2014 was to remove the dragon call/dragon form synergy. thanks a lot!!! 18:18:02 :') 18:18:33 was the best day of my life 18:19:02 i'm going to remove you all once i become a real dev. 18:19:23 history of sustain abilities: capped at 2 levels (2011), capped at 1 level (2014), removed (2016) 18:19:28 all by mpa... 18:19:45 sometimes you have to be subtle 18:19:53 for those really important mechanics 18:20:09 I remember nerfing int drain on XXX just before entering pan with it on a speedrun 18:20:20 transfered my game, entered pan, died 18:20:41 heh 18:20:47 anyway, i give up. it will remain a mystery... forever 18:21:25 I also remember the days of rocking double =sustab like a mad lad 18:21:44 i think the 2-level cap was more because octopodes had just become a thing and i didn't want to change it from a 2-dot to an 8-dot resistance on % 18:22:05 oh wow it used to go past two? 18:22:19 that's even more uncapped XXX 18:22:31 oh actually 18:22:35 sure but nobody could get more than 2 sources of it :P 18:22:42 also 2 sources would already round it down to 0 probably 18:22:44 I think 2x =sustab removed all the int drain 18:23:07 MarvinPA: your commit mentioned octopodes :P 18:23:23 oh, sorry, you already said that 18:23:37 need to watch that scrollback... 18:23:53 we missed out on some excellent tavern memes due to that 2-dot limit 18:24:26 There was no sustab mutation back then? I'm disappointed. 18:24:52 i think that only ever existed as a Dg innate, never a random mutation 18:25:16 yeah 18:25:37 i added the dg thing like... two versions ago? along with the thing where they got double chosen stat-ups 18:26:04 since the latter was a minor nerf, and the former (the sustab) seemed flavorful & had been requested by reasonable players 18:26:32 did you see the wordpress complaint about the loss of dg sustab? 18:27:04 i saw you mention that you were impressed someone had complained about it the other day, but haven't seen the complaint itself yet :P 18:27:14 haha 18:27:24 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/crawl-0-19-dancing-through-memory#comment-2619 18:27:28 my own fault for not keeping up with wordpress comments, they're always an excellent source 18:27:37 PleasingFungus: pity, so there wasn't ever a time where SustAb+++ was possible :) 18:27:38 comment above that is some good meme salt 18:27:44 dpeg: not displayed, anyway! 18:27:49 probably 18:28:34 it would have been possible for a while as an octopode with multiple rings, but the display only went up to 2 and i think the hard cap at 2 came before octopodes were in a stable release 18:28:41 -!- smee has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:29:14 oh that's very good, mummy self-restoration too! 18:29:19 octopodes came out in 0.10, the change was in 0.9 (!) 18:29:28 didn't realize op were gestating for multiple versions 18:29:40 MarvinPA: yeah, thought you'd appreciate that :P 18:29:40 what do you expect from an eronarn patch... 18:29:50 they were an Eronarn concept, by the way... perhaps also started with his code? 18:29:53 his weapon ideas page on the doku wiki is legendary 18:30:03 i'm sure i've seen it... 18:30:05 probably 18:30:08 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:30:20 the spell reform table is also a good one 18:30:25 oh I should read that 18:30:41 -!- nimitz has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:50 !seen Eronarn 18:30:51 I last saw Eronarn at Fri Jan 1 23:59:35 2016 UTC (43w 5d 22h 31m 15s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 240 seconds'. 18:31:00 hm 18:31:00 !tell Brannock what is "the general squishing of monster invisibility"? 18:31:00 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let brannock know. 18:31:17 nice, i like that that demigod complaint comment also picks up on the "major adjustments to halfing and kobold" 18:31:38 ??~elliptic_pref 18:31:38 ~elliptic pref[1/1]: !fo-- !ko-- !--su !--CK !Na-- !VS-- ((crace=Vp||cls=AM|IE)) !--hu !mf-- 18:31:46 pretty clear that MPA failed with that 18:31:47 PleasingFungus, I'm not sure? 18:31:47 Brannock: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:31:51 note the !ko-- 18:32:09 can someone point me to the monster spawning code, mostly interested about the way probabilities are handled 18:32:11 oh no 18:32:13 oh I see 18:32:17 I wrote something about that in the plan 18:32:31 is there a plan? 18:32:31 it's a half-remembered conversation with r-i 18:32:34 The Plan 18:32:36 I should clarify that 18:33:01 Brannock: minmay also had to say a lot about invisible monsters 18:33:08 that's because he's minmay 18:33:30 but what is he minmaxing??? 18:33:40 "add more invisible monster! and make monster invisibility to more things!" <-- what minmay said 18:33:40 <3 18:33:44 and that quote is [sic] 18:33:55 basically r-i mentioned that invisibility might be on the chopping block, which led to looking over the current monsters that use invis and I was thinking of a way that lorocyproca could still be relevant in a situation where monster invis went away.. then when adding things to the 0.20 plan I saw that note in my todo and figured I'd throw it in 18:34:03 gammafunk: i found it: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:magic:nsimmense:immense 18:34:05 I'll remove it for now, too tentative 18:34:15 cool 18:34:16 i also forgot that it was "code-name immense" which is highly excellent 18:34:22 yep 18:34:29 yeah, I'm hyped to read this now 18:35:20 “Immense” is the code name for my spell reform proposal, targeted for the 0.7 release. It's called Immense because it's BIG. 18:35:28 L? Nec/Fire/Male 18:35:33 features: gendered spells 18:35:43 What was that supposed to be? 18:35:55 "Malediction" 18:36:02 huh 18:36:06 as opposed to benediction, i guess this was pre-ench split 18:36:12 ahh 18:36:16 before "charms/hexes" were named 18:36:22 i was guessing 'unholy magic, not to be confused with necromancy' 18:36:31 no description of what stages I-III consist of specifically, instead we start on Stage IV 18:36:42 i guess hexes really aren't much better, but at least they aren't quite so... male 18:37:08 PleasingFungus: in German, they even have female connotation because "Hexe" = witch. 18:37:13 huh 18:37:28 gammafunk: stage ii certainly has a lot of code excerpts 18:37:39 you can't go wrong with code excerpts 18:37:42 (fail > 71) ? "Cruddy" : // 5-10% 18:38:04 do you ever miss choko words 18:38:06 mmm words 18:38:12 every waking hour 18:38:13 almost entirely bearded 18:38:32 "Managing consuming flames should be very hungering." <-- obviously attempting to appease dpeg 18:38:48 heh, i'd just gotten to that part 18:38:59 i appreciate the attempt to define philosophies and roles for schools 18:39:14 Nec: Necromancy spells should be extremely versatile, and should not have particular affinity for any playstyle, as darkness will infiltrate anywhere it can. 18:39:25 ^ except for necromancy 18:39:34 -!- OrphineM has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:39:57 eronarn believed strongly in spell hunger I see 18:40:02 Fall-off: some spells require 'maintenance', and it is harder to have many of these effects in play at once. 18:40:24 i like the big spells-by-school table 18:40:45 mm these code snippets have dwarven/elven/orcish armour references too 18:40:59 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:magic:nsimmense:immense#appendix_bthe_new_big_table 18:42:08 can someone explain to me what Stone Bones was supposed to do. 18:42:30 wow, Alch school 18:42:41 you make your derived undead 18:42:43 stronger 18:42:45 I believe 18:42:50 eronarn was a strong proponent of poison->alchemy too yeah 18:43:01 so your skloton becomes and iron skloton 18:43:09 that seems... very specific 18:43:16 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:43:32 i like the spell that just sets the player on fire 18:43:33 I think that school concepts are a good idea. I'm championing Nec = spells do self-damage. 18:43:36 including a patch for the beset spell ever, breathe bees (tmut/alch) 18:43:39 best* 18:44:01 did that just summon bees? 18:44:20 no! it was... a whole thing 18:44:29 let me see if i can find it, it's probably still on mantis somewhere 18:44:32 i am going to express my shock in a moment. 18:44:39 you may have to hold. 18:45:04 two different spells that turn elementals into other elementals 18:45:05 aha: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3471 18:45:19 this was entirely separate to the poison->alch thing actually i guess 18:45:20 dude, I'm all about this griffon spell 18:45:21 the cloud -> vortex of cloud type thing is cute 18:45:32 we're go for controlled flight 18:45:39 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:42 oh god, it's swarms 18:46:13 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:46:29 yes! multiple mgrids! 18:46:40 Parasitism 18:46:40 L? Mal/Sum 18:46:41 The caster summons a horrible parasite inside the body of a living enemy. 18:46:41 i had that checked out as a local branch for quite a long time 18:46:49 MarvinPA: you stole infestation from this page 18:46:52 now it's clear 18:47:07 oh no 18:47:24 ah, this is also where dimensional anchor came from 18:47:27 at least the name 18:48:00 yeah, i think the general idea has shown up elsewhere on the devwiki too 18:48:27 ???'s Mutagenic Radiance (C) 18:48:27 L? Tmut 18:48:27 I don't have a page labeled ?'s_Mutagenic_Radiance_(C) in my learndb. 18:48:32 'ignite evil' haha 18:48:40 The caster shines with magenta light that mutates anything exposed to it. 18:48:48 so, irradiate 18:48:52 ya 18:48:55 again a theft has occurred 18:49:06 except that eronarn seemed to think that malmut was a lot more effective than it was 18:49:16 against monsters 18:49:24 Rather than the gross physical changes associated with Polymorph, the caster mutates another creature in a negative way - permanently. 18:49:27 PERMANENTLY 18:49:48 this predated monster malmut even being a thing! 18:49:54 huh 18:50:08 well, i should've cut him a break, in that case 18:50:19 the distinction between malmut and polymorph was relatively recent i think 18:50:25 since there was no requirement for it to have been implemented as such a weak effect :p 18:50:59 or well, not that recent since i think it was a kilobyte change, but at a wild guess like 0.10 or something maybe 18:51:38 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:51:46 plausible 18:52:11 %git a858cb9fdf27a587e3c5bd3c2da533f8853a6077 18:52:11 07Mu02 * 0.8.0-a0-747-ga858cb9: Prevent Tiamat the inevitable acid blob from eating a door in sprint_mu 10(6 years ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a858cb9fdf27 18:52:17 ^ this is a really good commit title & description 18:52:47 sprint_mu is maybe the very best thing 18:53:26 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/features.txt#L945 18:53:36 perhaps my favourite description in all of crawl 18:53:40 very good 18:54:52 the description of Baleful Apportation is something else 18:55:14 this is making me think of the survey 18:55:29 and how we don't have that valuable method of recieving player feedback in place 18:55:33 i feel bad about that 18:55:38 i dropped the ball 18:55:44 well we could just run it after the t 18:55:54 it's not required to run at any specific time, I think 18:56:19 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:56:31 chequers: what's the plan for the survey since we didn't add any notification in 0.19? Do you want to try to do that for 0.19.1, after the t? 18:56:32 is it all ready to go/just waiting to be merged? 18:56:50 I think we need a way to notify people playing offline that it exists 18:56:54 we needed an announcement post to link to, iirc 18:57:05 %git survey_info 18:57:05 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.20-a0-4-g3b87b8b: Let people know about the survey 10(5 days ago, 2 files, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3b87b8bbd75d 18:57:09 ^ still in a branch 18:57:26 yeah, so that's just an mpr at game start 18:57:37 at the top of the main menu, technically 18:57:43 copied from what we did for the last survey 18:57:46 yeah, i'd seen that the branch existed but wasn't sure exactly what it actually did 18:57:47 oh, that's a bit better 18:57:58 cheqs was talking about making an announcement post in 3 (!) languages 18:58:07 yeah we have survey translated 18:58:08 into jp and kr 18:58:16 thanks to my connections to asia 18:58:19 I'm big there 18:58:25 how are those splash screens doing 18:58:31 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:58:40 kimnosuk posted a thing where those get posted 18:58:44 asking people to give permission 18:58:58 no word yet if any of the artists we like responded back though 18:59:22 he said people kind of just post things and go "here you go" and then leave, never coming back 18:59:24 ...sounds familiar... 18:59:32 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:36 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:46 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:46 no survey? :( 19:01:06 we'll get it out there eventually, don't worry! 19:01:12 next year in jerusalem 19:01:14 oh wow, tmons form is on here as well as on the tmut devwiki page 19:01:19 nobody tell gammafunk... 19:01:25 too late, gonna read it 19:01:28 an idea whose time has come! 19:01:39 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Client Quit] 19:01:53 if you want a survey done just ask me the questions 19:02:06 wow, it's a mu proposal 19:02:08 (i remember it as a mu_ suggestion!) 19:02:11 hah 19:02:15 Evoke tentacles for reaching or apportation. 19:02:17 !!! 19:02:29 evoke tentacles...mu my man! 19:02:47 twelwe: how many? And why? 19:02:48 Minor speed reduction, minor health increase. 19:02:54 alright... 19:03:20 there is nothing minor about a tmons, he got that part wrong 19:03:23 Skull Hammer (Tmut/Necro 4) - Creates an awesome-looking hammer with a frickin' skull on it, made from a skeleton 19:03:29 lol 19:03:39 how has tavern never come up with anything this good 19:03:49 shut it all down and redirect everyone to the devwiki 19:03:50 that's a straght up twelwe form right there 19:03:54 MarvinPA: they can only think about food! 19:04:13 obsessed with chokos, that's what tavern is 19:04:22 i just want to go on record with my answers 19:04:44 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-16-g0876c8e (34) 19:04:50 twelwe: how did you learn about crawl...through your romantic relationships with devs? 19:05:08 it was a SA post i found 19:05:53 there are marvinpa comments on this page... 19:06:05 uh oh 19:06:58 oh no, it's even about dragon form special cases 19:07:43 no way 19:08:06 first comment about necromutation: Is mostly fine as is, I think. 19:08:44 ah but then two points later: Is it really fine? It seems to me game-breakingly overpowered. 19:09:16 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:09:26 the full spectrum of Opinions 19:09:50 MarvinPA: no, the full spectrum would include "it's garbage" 19:09:52 surely 19:10:12 opi nions are like backspace keys you have to use both 19:10:29 i have no idea how to respond to that. 19:10:46 I remember when using a new keyboard induced decision paralysis 19:10:54 do I use backspace? or delete? 19:12:21 +1. Tentacles monstrosities should be able to wear hats, because I find this hysterical. 19:12:26 ah yes, the Felid argument! 19:12:30 I think not sir! 19:14:32 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:48 I'm very glad for line 1601 in melee_attack.cc 19:14:50 !lg * cv=0.19 s=vlong 19:14:50 4583 games for * (cv=0.19): 2159x 0.19.0-2-gae57169, 1923x 0.19.0, 501x 0.19.0-1-g5985abe 19:14:54 nice way to cap off that sojobo kill 19:15:10 !kw 0.19 19:15:11 Built-in: 0.19 => cv=0.19 19:15:14 &versions 0.19 19:15:22 CAO: 0.19.0-2-gae57169, CBRO: 0.19.0-2-gae57169, CDO: none, CJR: none, CPO: 0.19.0, CUE: none, CWZ: none, CXC: 0.19.0-2-gae57169, LLD: 0.19.0-2-gae57169 19:16:12 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:16:45 Napkin: Are you going to be able to set up 0.19 on CDO by start of tournament tomorrow? If not, let me know and we can disable in the tournament pages 19:17:15 !tell ZiBuDo remember to update the jorgrell versions subroutine to include 0.19 19:17:15 johnstein: OK, I'll let zibudo know. 19:19:03 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:19:31 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:21:37 gammafunk: I emailed Napkin already 19:23:02 cool 19:23:19 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:23:36 just to be safe, I'm going to disable it from the listing (it's already disabled in the scripts themselves) 19:23:57 and if we get word back that it's set up, it's easy to re-enable 19:24:15 I also need to add CAO back to the home page 19:24:16 good 19:24:38 fr: xom turns water into doors and water creatures into runed doors 19:24:55 geekosaur: any luck with OS X builds? Or still haven't had time to poke those 19:25:05 havem 19:25:14 t had time (this week has been rather terrible) 19:25:19 hopefully this weekend 19:25:26 cool 19:25:33 I read "havem" as "have em" 19:25:51 can someone point me to the monster spawning code, mostly interested about the way probabilities are handled 19:25:51 nimitz: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:25:58 !messages 19:25:58 (1/1) regret-index said (50m 38s ago): ??mon-pick-data (I need to update the Lair section for 0.19.0, but I'm waiting to change Hells when 0.20 dev starts). note there's stuff in mon-place.cc for OOD calls seperate of this assessment. 19:26:09 -!- keszocze_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:26:26 mon-pick-data.h gives spawn tables with depths of spawn, but for the actual probability it's trickier 19:26:37 there's a sheet that r-i put together that I think is fairly current 19:26:43 nice 19:26:48 I wonder how many players play on OSX 19:26:49 and you can also look at objstat data for actual numbers generated 19:26:55 ??mon-pick-data 19:26:55 mon-pick-data[1/1]: Raw floor probability data (0.19-a-21c7ecd8) at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-R6UTDqfvG2FbaNzBM46-rq23lO3ocISTGp7RNCZdRw/. 19:27:02 Brannock: all the cool players 19:27:02 yeah right, just the same entry he gave you 19:27:11 !nick coolplayers 19:27:11 Mapping coolplayers => birdoprey theglow hyperbolic hyperelliptic elliptic minmay elynae mikee xomscumming tartakower nyaakitty casmith789 demonblade poncheis valrus n1000 sgrunt chris gammafunk amalloy lightli 19:27:18 don't see an amalloy in there... 19:27:23 oh shit 19:27:25 rip 19:27:31 heh 19:27:39 well that statement is false, I'm a coolplayer and I don't use OS X! 19:27:48 right next to the most uncool player in there even 19:27:54 ping 19:27:57 yeah, lightli... 19:28:20 what makes you think I'm not cool 19:28:25 ("oh wait, who's on the other side ... perfect!") 19:28:35 I bet amalloy is the only coolplayer that uses OS X! 19:29:12 !word 19:29:16 !cmd !word 19:29:17 No command !word 19:29:18 !cmd !words 19:29:18 No command !words 19:29:20 hrm 19:29:22 !kw word 19:29:23 Keyword: word => char=dear|deck|demo|desk|dram|fear|feck|foam|ghee|gram|hack|hear|heck|hehe|hewn|hoar|hock|homo|hone|huck|husk|mien|mine|muck|musk|open|spam|spar|spas|teak|team|tear|teas|teen|tram|tree|trie 19:29:27 !lg . word won s=tiles 19:29:28 4 games for gammafunk (word won): 4x false 19:29:41 !lg . word won s=char 19:29:42 4 games for gammafunk (word won): FeCK, GhEE, HECK, HuSk 19:29:44 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 19:29:52 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:30:30 !source melee_attack.cc:1601 19:30:30 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc#L1601 19:30:36 lol 19:30:50 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 19:30:54 good 19:31:23 && Options.has_fake_lang(FLANG_GRUNT)) 19:31:24 attack_verb = "shave"; 19:31:47 that reminds me 19:31:49 !tournament 19:31:51 er 19:31:52 !time 19:31:52 Time: Nov 03, 2016, 11:31:52 PM, UTC. The 2016 0.19 tournament starts in 20 hours, 28 minutes and 7 seconds. 19:32:05 I also need to set up my Dev Team 19:32:08 any other devs need a clan? 19:32:16 interesting bug 19:32:20 I think I have Brannock and (I think) wheals 19:32:21 I quaffed !xp but didn't level up 19:32:28 that sounds bad... 19:32:32 XL: 25 Next: -64% 19:32:37 let's see if it pops once I kill something 19:32:51 or should I make a backup first? 19:32:52 gammafunk: i'm in 19:32:55 cool 19:32:58 we need a name tho 19:33:04 -!- nikitamog has joined ##crawl-dev 19:33:05 just go through the reserved list 19:33:13 I mean I have my sort-of fav 19:33:14 but 19:33:21 ??reserved_clan_names[$ 19:33:21 reserved clan names[22/22]: Beat Your Unavoidable Deaths Drum [gammafunk] 19:33:35 I guess that's it, but I'm willing to be overruled 19:33:37 ??reserved_clan_names[21 19:33:37 reserved clan names[21/22]: Nil And The Abyss [espais] 19:33:41 ??reserved_clan_names[20 19:33:42 reserved clan names[20/22]: Revenge of the -cTele from the Black Lagoon [minmay i guess] 19:33:49 ??reserved_clan_names[19 19:33:49 reserved clan names[19/22]: Nigel Pepper Cocytus 19:33:52 future trapdoor spider, beautiful crash blossom, five oh tab rhythm 19:34:10 oops 19:34:11 let's let the newbie decide 19:34:11 splatted 19:34:15 er 19:34:16 huh? 19:34:18 stupid panlord floor 19:34:30 Brannock: https://crawl.develz.org/learndb/#reserved_clan_names a reference 19:34:33 ??reserved_clan_names[18 19:34:33 reserved clan names[18/22]: As Slimes Are To Horses [PleasingFungus] 19:34:48 Brannock: which from that list is best 19:34:56 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:35:04 !lg brannock 19:35:05 1712. brannock the Fencer (L25 DgWn), blasted by Xydei the pandemonium lord (great blast of fire) on Depths:5 on 2016-11-03 23:33:54, with 689329 points after 93659 turns and 4:53:19. 19:35:05 -!- flappity_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:08 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:35:10 boom, headshot 19:35:13 so much for dgwn 19:35:21 wow...you splatted in a zig? 19:35:21 5th floor no less 19:35:21 er due to a zig 19:35:30 !log . 19:35:30 went out in a great blast of fire, at least 19:35:31 1712. brannock, XL25 DgWn, T:93659: https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/morgue/brannock/morgue-brannock-20161103-233354.txt 19:35:37 XL: 25 Next: 192% 19:35:39 there's that bug 19:35:43 !learn del resist_slowing 19:35:43 yeah that's.. 19:35:43 Deleted resist slowing[1/1]: This doesn't exist, unless you think {stasis} is a substitute. 19:35:45 and best clan names from that list 19:35:56 so is .19 a net player nerf 19:36:01 no, it's a big buff 19:36:05 hep is op. just choose him all the time 19:36:07 it's mediocre imo 19:36:08 that's my advice 19:36:11 2, 6, 8, 10, 13, 22 19:36:41 heh 19:36:48 chequers' is pretty good too 19:36:49 i'm not excited by 22 or 10 tbh. not biased 19:36:51 others are fine 19:36:52 gammafunk: whats the "distribution" column? 19:37:22 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:37:22 !rng 2 6 8 13 19:37:23 The RNG chooses: 2. 19:37:43 people can't choose a favorite from 2 6 8 13 ?! 19:37:58 I guess it's hard with 3 votes 19:38:05 !learn e resist_mutation[1 s/90/67/ 19:38:05 resist mutation[1/3]: Comes from an amulet of resist mutation (removed in 0.18), the {hat of the Alchemist}, the {lajatang of order}, a mutation itself (3 levels), and Zin. The amulet and lajatang provide a 67% chance to prevent mutations, but mutations from {contam} have a 50% chance of bypassing rMut. If you are undead, rMut can block mutation-induced rotting with the same chances. 19:38:29 man I was hoping to break my no-winning funk before the tournament 19:38:29 alas 19:38:31 i might've gone for #2 anyway 19:38:42 alright 19:38:46 gonna mess around and see if I can reproduce that !xp bug 19:39:41 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:39:48 brannock (L25 HuWn) ASSERT(you.exp_available >= 0) in 'skills.cc' at line 1068 failed. (D:1) 19:39:54 haha 19:40:00 signs lookin good 19:40:18 nimitz: it's the type of distribution applied over that given depth range for the monster 19:41:09 flat is a equal prob over range, rise is inreasing up to the given value (I think), fall is the opposite...there are descriptions in the source 19:41:23 nimitz: but basically look at the actual prob for the monster for each level 19:41:26 mon-pick.cc ? 19:41:38 mon-pick-data.h or something 19:42:28 i'm mostly interested in the actual implementation 19:42:37 can't reproduce it, weird. maybe I should have backed up that save after all 19:42:44 nimitz: random-pick.h 19:42:47 for the defs 19:42:53 thx 19:43:06 nimitz: but in general use git grep or a tool like ctags to help you find things in the source 19:43:22 so git grep PEAK helped me find the def of PEAK 19:43:25 -!- Dr_Jackal has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:43:42 a lot of false hits but you can do better searches 19:43:55 Brannock: well, you do have that crash log 19:43:59 up above 19:44:04 -!- Nino has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:44:08 !crash brannock 19:44:09 -!- nikitamog has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:44:10 that's from me trying to turn my HuWn into a DgWn 19:44:11 2. brannock, XL25 HuWn, T:9 (milestone): https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/morgue/brannock/crash-brannock-20161103-233947.txt 19:44:15 oh 19:44:26 er, no 19:44:30 Trying to set the HuWn to level 27 19:44:39 Either way that's not related 19:45:46 -!- a_ has quit [Client Quit] 19:45:56 do you guys know of games that use a more complex system for monster picking or random picking with "depth" into account, it seems to me the current system could be enhanced by having probability functions for each monster 19:46:09 !tell Napkin If you do get to CDO in time for tournament, we'd also need the script http://crawl.develz.org/cgi-bin/teams-0.19.sh to get clan defs from rc files 19:46:10 gammafunk: OK, I'll let napkin know. 19:46:38 well, how do you mean probability functions for each monster 19:46:42 that's exactly what dist is 19:46:52 oh 19:47:02 depending on your meaning 19:47:12 that can be set on a per-entry basis, the dist 19:47:30 how is the dist defined 19:47:56 the dists have specific "shapes" they get through the depths ranges and weights they're given 19:48:12 sure, but theyre not defined methematically 19:48:18 peak means that the highest prob occurs in the middle of the given range 19:48:32 well, again, what do you mean "not defined mathematically" 19:48:59 mean, variance, center etc 19:49:01 given the depth ranges, a peak will have nonzero prob at the first depth value 19:49:22 median* 19:49:50 well they'll certainly have those in the end once you generate N monsters with them 19:50:05 what the entries dont do is say "make this many monsters" 19:50:07 sure, but youre limited as to what curves you can generate 19:50:38 now you're saying something else; "I want more variety in the kinds of shapes" 19:50:50 you could certainly define new dists 19:51:25 but what's the advantage, what specific monster is not being generated well because it lacks a more complicated dist function 19:52:28 there are flat, rise, fall, peak, semi, and you could define new ones, but these have been generally sufficient 19:52:29 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 19:52:44 and they're certainly well-defined as long as you give the right parameters 19:52:48 i'm not sure why we even have all of those 19:53:39 semi is maybe the only one that's a little questionable, but it probably has its place 19:53:56 what property of a monster suggests that it should use 'fall,' for instance 19:53:57 you could do peak by having two entries, rise, fall 19:54:16 I think flat, rise, and fall are pretty self explanatory 19:54:17 -!- muravey has quit [Client Quit] 19:54:28 i mean, instead of having half a dozen "shapes" you could have only one general equation 19:54:31 no, i know what they -do- 19:54:32 allowing for all of them and more 19:54:45 but why would you pick one over the other 19:55:17 ontoclasm: you're basically asking "why would you ever want a monster to become less frequent over a branch's depth" 19:55:41 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:24 in a sense, yeah, but more like "why would you want it to be non-existant, suddenly jump to super common, and then tail off" 19:56:35 why not just have everything be peak? 19:57:05 i mean i'm not like FRing that they be removed, i just don't really get it 19:58:53 nimitz: well, it's certainly always possible to generalize things more. the question is, would that make it harder or easier to accomplish our goals? as a rule of thumb, making something more general makes it harder to do any specific thing with it 19:59:15 nimitz: those statistics you mention don't define a distribution generally speaking, there are some distributions that can be defined by mean/variance but others need different kinds of parameters 19:59:17 like gamma was saying, i don't see us suffering for not having more flexibility in monster distribution 19:59:47 could only be defined as a function of x 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:46 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:00:49 sure, but again what does this generality get us, what distributions are we lacking 20:01:04 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 20:01:22 we like to think about "where do they place" (ranges of levels) and then an overall notion of "weight" so the dists are just defined in those terms 20:01:42 yeah, I guess it's enough for the purposes 20:02:34 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 20:03:03 ontoclasm: that "suddenly shows up" thing would still happen in exactly the same way with flat 20:03:32 I think the idea is to allow monsters to pop up only starting at later, scarier depths 20:03:46 I mean we have branch ends that basically do exactly this just using vaults, right 20:04:19 probably a lot of the fall entries have pretty low weight so nothing with that is ever actually super common 20:04:48 it just starts showing up, that and recall that normal monster gen sometimes goes at a depth higher than the given level 20:05:01 !time 20:05:01 Time: Nov 04, 2016, 12:05:00 AM, UTC. The 2016 0.19 tournament starts in 19 hours, 54 minutes and 59 seconds. 20:06:20 your time is almost up 20:07:48 you are running out of thyme! need to go get some groceries... 20:09:52 SEMI is nice since it gives you a baseline without tying the spawn to that baseline forever 20:10:01 so hydras are a potential threat to spawn on any floor of Lair 20:10:10 but don't become super common on Lair 6 20:10:27 fr: SEMIGODS 20:10:46 you could reproduce it with multiple FLAT entries but then that gets harder to read 20:11:38 !time 20:11:39 Time: Nov 04, 2016, 12:11:38 AM, UTC. The 2016 0.19 tournament starts in 19 hours, 48 minutes and 21 seconds. 20:12:05 what's that one weird dist that nethack has 20:12:15 do you mean rnz 20:12:39 yes 20:13:04 https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/7/71/Rnz100.svg/300px-Rnz100.svg.png 20:13:55 -!- insecticide10 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:13:59 that's the new DIST we need 20:14:25 imo replace everything with PEAK 20:15:18 that's probably what we'd have to use if we had one 20:15:21 *only one 20:16:05 if I ever add another one it's going to be called ULTRA 20:16:15 four characters only! 20:16:19 shit 20:16:29 Skill menu cursor deselects (vanishes) when moved repeatedly to the right 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10760 by PleasingFungus 20:16:29 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:29 SHIT 20:16:45 did cao delete all ttyrecs from before 2013? 20:16:50 http://i.imgur.com/2iPPBbx.jpg 20:16:54 they got moved to shalott I think 20:18:24 Brannock: did you see any probs with t page gen? 20:18:36 everything seems fine 20:18:39 aside from CJR/CDO 20:18:46 cjr I added 20:18:53 and restarted taildb.py last night 20:18:59 cjr will never be fine 20:19:05 cjr is perfect. 20:19:12 Brannock: do you know how to check the taildb.py process? 20:19:21 n 20:19:51 ps x | grep taildb 20:20:03 14:36 uptime 20:20:15 I know grep but not the other 3 parts of that command 20:20:41 ps is process list, x argument tells it to find those without a controlling terminal (I think) 20:20:50 then you pipe output to grep to look for taildb 20:21:06 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:21:08 if you need to restart taildb 20:21:22 you'll want to get the process id (left-most number) and run that with kill 20:21:37 You can cure rot by letting something hit you w/chaos repeatedly 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10762 by PleasingFungus 20:21:37 Vault-specified holy egos interact badly with random artefacts 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10761 by PleasingFungus 20:21:37 noted 20:21:39 so if you were killing this one it would be `kill 19514` 20:21:46 and then the ps should no longer show it listed 20:21:51 then you can just run it again 20:22:22 and you can also look on bottom of t overview page to see the generation time of page 20:22:32 that overview always gets updated with each processing 20:22:40 !time 20:22:41 Time: Nov 04, 2016, 12:22:40 AM, UTC. The 2016 0.19 tournament starts in 19 hours, 37 minutes and 19 seconds. 20:22:43 unlike other pages, which may not be 20:22:57 I'm disabling CDO in the scripts and any listings for now 20:24:32 ok let's play a game. my cao wget is 97% finished. how much RAM do you think it has claimed? closest guess wins 20:25:06 ram? 20:25:14 on your system? 20:25:34 7 GB? 20:25:43 do you mean disk space 20:25:59 since I assume wget is writing this data to files 20:26:02 no i mean RAM 20:26:10 ah, so just ram as it spiders? 20:26:10 the amount of disk space it will use is obvious 20:26:15 yeah 20:26:19 hrm 20:26:30 see I don't know what all you're wgetting 20:26:33 just all of cao? 20:26:48 only ttyrec folders? 20:26:53 wget crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/ 20:27:12 (with other options that i don't remember) 20:27:19 2 kb 20:27:32 man that url doesn't even load 20:27:33 now if anyone guesses too high, i win 20:27:46 loading that in your browser is a bad idea 20:28:02 what doe sthat have, morgues+ttyrecs+lst files? 20:28:12 exactly 20:28:29 !lg * cao 20:28:31 2276650. vk65535 the Spear-Bearer (L11 MfSu of Ashenzari), mangled by an elephant on Lair:4 (nicolae_lair_grove_arrangements) on 2016-11-04 00:26:51, with 10888 points after 11879 turns and 1:35:22. 20:28:56 -!- nikitamog has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:27 i'm calling time when it finishes with Xenene's morgues 20:31:36 !lg * cao start>=20130101 20:31:38 1247752. vk65535 the Spear-Bearer (L11 MfSu of Ashenzari), mangled by an elephant on Lair:4 (nicolae_lair_grove_arrangements) on 2016-11-04 00:26:51, with 10888 points after 11879 turns and 1:35:22. 20:32:21 wow, pretty much every entry that references sixfirhies is wrong. 20:32:26 thanks a lot, mpa 20:32:35 most of this occurred when 2013 ttyrecs were still there 20:33:45 !gamesby xenene 20:33:46 xenene has played 4811 games, between 2011-07-16 13:31:55 and 2016-07-16 13:43:22, won 1 (0.0%), high score 1414104, total score 13761086, total turns 11958335, play-time/day 0:25:07, total time 31d+21:36:01. 20:34:22 !calc 2276650.0 * 150.0 20:34:23 341498000 20:34:35 hrm, so not that 20:34:35 what did mpa do to sixfirhies? 20:34:43 he RUINED them 20:34:48 ^ 20:34:53 @??sixfirhy 20:34:53 sixfirhy (123) | Spd: 40 (move: 60%) | HD: 9 | HP: 33-47 | AC/EV: 2/20 | Dam: 1511(elec:9-12) | 05demonic, 10doors, evil | Res: 06magic(60), 11elec+++, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08cleanse++ | XP: 772 | Sz: little | Int: human. 20:34:58 that meme is still funny right? right??? 20:34:59 sixfirhy (124) | Spd: 40 (move: 60%) | HD: 7 | HP: 33-47 | AC/EV: 2/20 | Dam: 1511(elec:7-9) | 05demonic, 10doors, unholy | Res: 06magic(60), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 504 | Sz: little | Int: human. 20:34:59 %0.18?sixfirhy 20:35:07 minmay: just as funny as you are, friend. 20:35:17 oh let's go with 400MB 20:35:38 but i don't really know what wget has to have loaded into memory 20:35:50 oh also my math is wrong 20:35:56 those are 150kb so it doesn't make sense 20:36:05 yeah I retract my guess 20:36:13 "has to have" is different from "has" 20:36:14 i am prepared to triumph by default. 20:36:17 the most glorious triumph 20:36:30 you do realize you only triumph if your estimate is actually closest 20:36:39 I would need to know more of what wget is storing in ram 20:36:44 well his guess is now the only one! 20:36:45 well, gamma withdrew his 20:36:47 ya 20:36:47 so if it uses 201MB and gammafunk retracts his retraction, he wins 20:36:48 so he wins by default 20:36:54 brannock guessed 20:37:03 you can't retract a retraction. 20:37:03 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:03 that's just absurd. 20:37:03 what! 20:37:03 he guess 7GB 20:37:07 oh, so he did 20:37:09 shit 20:37:29 my dir listing on cbro is 150kb 20:37:29 well, game over 20:37:33 I figured it'd max out his RAM otherwise it's not too notable 20:37:40 reasonable 20:37:40 actually it's 180kb 20:37:45 oh 20:37:48 er 20:37:50 let me try again 20:37:52 it hasn't maxed out my RAM and isn't going to 20:37:56 darn 20:37:57 !lg * cao x=cdist(name) 20:38:15 2276654 games for * (cao): cdist(name)=34867 20:38:32 !calc 34867.0 * 100000.0 20:38:33 3486700000 20:38:46 3.5 GB 20:38:54 it's a shitty guess but w/e 20:39:27 Brannock: i added a bunch of stuff to your 0.20 page, btw 20:39:28 there's still some time left, xenene has a lot of games 20:39:37 our 0.20 page? 20:39:37 ok 20:39:41 in that case 20:39:41 w/e 20:39:46 I retract my guess again 20:39:52 playing with fire 20:40:06 if I turned out to win it's like 20:40:10 damn he was right! 20:40:15 but now I can't actually lose 20:40:19 I'm simply not competing 20:41:11 this is why I have the blood of champions and am qualified to be Team Captain 20:41:33 oh, the wand of wild magic is actually a staff, yeah 20:41:37 essentially 20:41:43 I'll rename it 20:41:47 it's a WIP name anyway 20:42:15 wow people are doing this 0.20 plan thing 20:42:21 I thought it was all ironic joking 20:42:56 ??plan 20:42:56 plan[1/3]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans 20:43:21 I actually just spent a full game playing with rod of clouds and I kept it on inventory slot 'b' for quickswapping with ' 20:43:28 STEAM - The big daddy for gaming platforms. 20:44:07 in this scenario, i'm poking a needle into corpses to extract their plasmids 20:44:11 not sure how much I like the idea of not requiring a wield for rods... 20:44:21 I can see the benefits in not annoying the player 20:44:31 my passage of golubria plans are not on this false document of lies 20:44:37 but non-wielded evokables are significantly weaker than most rods 20:44:46 are dragon scales meant to become artefacts? 20:45:26 eh? 20:45:28 they can be artefacts, since they're just dragon armour renamed 20:45:37 gammafunk: add em! 20:45:51 ??plan[2 20:45:52 0.20 Plan: Remove Lightli, haste rework 20:45:58 !learn del plan[2 20:45:58 Deleted plan[2/3]: do {.echo $(sprintf "%1.2f" (+ 0.02 (re-replace ".+cv>=" "" (!kw current)))) Plan: Remove Lightli, haste rework} 20:46:01 ??plan[2 20:46:02 plan[2/2]: Tentative release schedule: http://i.imgur.com/eKJ3cnw.jpg 20:46:08 rip 20:46:13 Lightli: don't worry 20:46:17 check out the 0.20 plan 20:46:24 plan[2 seems obsolete 20:46:25 on the wiki, that is 20:46:41 !learn del plan[2] 20:46:41 Deleted plan[2/2]: Tentative release schedule: http://i.imgur.com/eKJ3cnw.jpg 20:46:43 oh I should finish implementing monster upheaval 20:46:48 why though 20:47:01 for new stormcallers 20:47:11 new whatnow 20:47:11 is this another r-i-ism 20:47:20 it seems very familiar 20:47:20 it is 20:47:21 r-i just puppetmasters crawldev from the shadows... 20:47:31 have you been whispering on irc behind our backs?! 20:47:40 ...we're your teammates and you betrayed us... 20:48:23 I just talk to whoever talks to me :o 20:48:39 !nick bcb Brannock gammafunk PleasingFungus wheals 20:48:40 Mapping bcb => brannock gammafunk pleasingfungus wheals 20:48:43 oops 20:48:47 !nick -rm bcb 20:48:48 Deleted bcb => brannock gammafunk pleasingfungus wheals 20:48:57 !nick bcb (t0.19) Brannock gammafunk PleasingFungus wheals 20:48:58 Mapping bcb => (t0.19) brannock gammafunk pleasingfungus wheals 20:49:10 bcb? 20:49:18 i only talk to r-i via shortwave radio 20:49:23 people seemed to like Beautiful Crash Blossoms 20:49:29 who wouldn't 20:49:38 oh, of course 20:49:39 we have another slot 20:49:55 two! 20:50:02 team sizes are 6 20:50:04 oh, it's not 5 total? 20:50:06 r-i is a numbers station? 20:50:06 ah yeah 20:50:14 geekosaur: are you surprised? 20:50:23 no, not really 20:50:27 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:50:56 do you want to see an extremely inconsequential bug? 20:51:07 spawn a spellbook, read it, read a spell, back out with Esc 20:51:11 there is an extraneous -more- 20:51:14 amalloy_: will you be joining a team this t? 20:51:31 but the -more- doesn't actually stop you from doing anything. you can clear it with spacebar 20:52:04 bh: and are you joining a team this t? 20:52:06 alright everyone time's up 20:52:31 I need to go buy milk 20:52:35 will be back soon 20:52:41 the answer is: 7,036,612 KB 20:52:48 dang 20:52:49 god dang it 20:52:51 so Brannock was ridiculously close 20:52:55 nice 20:52:57 victory for brans 20:53:10 my calculation was surpringly close 20:53:29 brannock, i see now that my time as crawl dev leader has finally passed. i have faith that you will lead the game into a bright future... 20:53:30 but it probably wasn't the entire contents of player page loaded into ram or anything 20:53:37 i'm sorry. i think i'm tearing up a little 20:53:46 finally, we can remove traps now 20:54:20 merge traps and food, simple 20:54:30 gammafunk: as an additional bonus, that'd make 4chan lose interest 20:54:32 You eat the cheese. The mousetrap snaps shut on your lip! 20:54:53 There's a reason why 4chan never discusses crawl any more... 20:57:51 -!- TuxQmoob has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:01 New item type: Scarf 20:59:04 ok, wut? 20:59:38 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:50 !nick bcb 20:59:50 Mapping bcb => (t0.19) brannock gammafunk pleasingfungus wheals 20:59:55 oh! 20:59:59 thanks 21:00:00 wheals: you're ok with being on team Beautiful Crash Blossoms? 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:03 ok cool 21:00:06 you even gave us the name 21:00:17 it describes the effects of my name 21:00:24 s/name/coding 21:00:39 that was a strange typo 21:00:40 if code doesn't crash, does it truly exist? 21:01:43 if a high elf falls in the forest... 21:01:49 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:02:03 if a developer commits code in a forest and a player doesn't crash, did it make a change? 21:02:27 ??t 21:02:27 tournament[1/6]: The 0.19 tournament will run from 20:00 UTC Friday 4 Nov 2016 to 20:00 UTC Sunday 20 Nov 2016. Tournament home page: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.19/ 21:02:31 hrm 21:02:33 ??classes 21:02:34 background[1/3]: Affects starting skills, equipment, gold, spells, religion, piety, known items and the starting values for Str, Int, and Dex and nothing else and nothing afterwards. 21:02:36 ??classes[2 21:02:36 background[2/3]: Monks also gain piety with whatever god they choose first, or immediate initial sacrifice offering with Ru. 21:02:45 ??classes[3 21:02:45 background[3/3]: Backgrounds as of 0.16: AE, AK, AM, Ar, As, Be, Cj, CK, EE, En, FE, Fi, Gl, Hu, IE, Mo, Ne, Sk, Su, Tm, VM, Wn, Wr, Wz 21:02:51 who is the TEAMCAPTAIN 21:02:54 gammafunk is 21:02:56 i 21:03:04 .echo $(!learn q classes[3]) 21:03:05 I don't have a page labeled classes[3] in my learndb. 21:03:10 .echo $(!learn q classes 3) 21:03:11 I don't have a page labeled classes_3 in my learndb. 21:03:30 -!- hellmonk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:39 .echo $(ldb classes 3) 21:03:39 background[3/3]: Backgrounds as of 0.16: AE, AK, AM, Ar, As, Be, Cj, CK, EE, En, FE, Fi, Gl, Hu, IE, Mo, Ne, Sk, Su, Tm, VM, Wn, Wr, Wz 21:04:11 .echo $(re-replace "[^:]*: " (ldb classes 3)) 21:04:12 AE, AK, AM, Ar, As, Be, Cj, CK, EE, En, FE, Fi, Gl, Hu, IE, Mo, Ne, Sk, Su, Tm, VM, Wn, Wr, Wz 21:05:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:05:28 .echo $(map (fn (c) (.echo Sa${c})) (split ", " (re-replace "[^:]*: " (ldb classes 3)))) 21:05:29 SaAE SaAK SaAM SaAr SaAs SaBe SaCj SaCK SaEE SaEn SaFE SaFi SaGl SaHu SaIE SaMo SaNe SaSk SaSu SaTm SaVM SaWn SaWr SaWz 21:05:57 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:05:59 Brannock: pretty good words if we do Basajaun -> Sasquatch 21:06:43 be bold enough to just use bigfoot would you guys? 21:06:56 Long live Catalonian independence! 21:07:14 .echo $(map (fn (c) (.echo Bi${c})) (split ", " (re-replace "[^:]*: " (ldb classes 3)))) 21:07:14 BiAE BiAK BiAM BiAr BiAs BiBe BiCj BiCK BiEE BiEn BiFE BiFi BiGl BiHu BiIE BiMo BiNe BiSk BiSu BiTm BiVM BiWn BiWr BiWz 21:07:34 -!- Roarke has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:16 some good clan names if you use bigfoot 21:08:26 i`m trying to win a high elf just because of this. i would never play a high elf 21:08:35 1000 variations of "I'm Bi" 21:09:44 .echo $(map (fn (c) (.echo Bo${c})) (split ", " (re-replace "[^:]*: " (ldb classes 3)))) 21:09:45 BoAE BoAK BoAM BoAr BoAs BoBe BoCj BoCK BoEE BoEn BoFE BoFi BoGl BoHu BoIE BoMo BoNe BoSk BoSu BoTm BoVM BoWn BoWr BoWz 21:09:57 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:04 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:10:11 BoNe 21:10:15 * dpeg is disgusted that people put scrabble above flavour. 21:10:23 good potential for a gimmick skeleton themed account 21:10:43 .echo $(map (fn (c) (.echo We${c})) (split ", " (re-replace "[^:]*: " (ldb classes 3)))) 21:10:44 WeAE WeAK WeAM WeAr WeAs WeBe WeCj WeCK WeEE WeEn WeFE WeFi WeGl WeHu WeIE WeMo WeNe WeSk WeSu WeTm WeVM WeWn WeWr WeWz 21:10:48 for possibly Wendigo 21:11:10 Though I like Basajaun the best for that particular iteration on large species 21:12:13 well one thing about that is how all our current species are fairly typical fantasy tropes or things that are predictable from the latin roots, or something 21:12:22 -!- miek_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:12:35 <|amethyst> like spriggans? 21:12:38 like vine stalkers 21:12:45 vine stalkers are a direct description 21:13:02 who needs Sasquatch if you have Salamanders 21:13:02 spriggans are a fantasy trope, aren't they? 21:13:06 spriggan is pretty well known 21:13:14 i don't remember running into them elsewhere, tbh 21:13:19 maybe they're a bit less well known than the others 21:13:19 Scrabble Above Flavour is almost a good clan name, also 21:13:25 agree 21:13:49 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:05 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:15:00 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:15:41 I've been playing cogmind 21:15:52 so maybe I should take them in the direction of "giant mech" 21:16:07 it looks out of place because almost every species is either a relatively common english word, or a word invented by D&D or whatever like "Merfolk" that is very common within the genre 21:17:13 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:17:13 yeah, the out of place part is a concern, but the species needs more design anyhow 21:17:19 I really need to explore the design space 21:17:24 I'm in favour of the tree flavour, so I can keep pestering people about tree form ability. 21:17:27 "Felid", "Octopode", and "Formicid" are also weirdly oblique, and I think "Tengu" is out of place for the same reason 21:17:56 dpeg: that abilit just wouldn't be good I think, it's not good for balance in early game, and then it become near-useless very quickly 21:18:01 these three are on the scientific-sounding side, yeah. What would you suggest for Tengu, though? 21:18:10 minmay: with Fe and Op you sort of know what you'll get, at least 21:18:10 like...they're obviously a housecat, an octopus, and an ant 21:18:18 gammafunk: it can be limited! 21:18:32 rename tengu to kenku 21:18:34 I don't mean uses only 21:18:37 so why not just call them that ("Octopode" singular is bad grammar at best) 21:18:48 not sure how obvious the connection formicid ==> ant is, but I never had any Latin 21:18:52 "formic" 21:18:59 * dpeg makes a note to ask the Pope next time 21:19:30 dpeg: "ant" and "member of the Formicidae family" are synonymous 21:19:30 -!- a_ has quit [Client Quit] 21:19:39 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 21:19:50 minmay: sure, but how many people know "Formicidae"? 21:20:02 "Antfolk" is intentionally shooting for generic/mundane though 21:20:05 formic acid isn't insanely obscure 21:20:06 "Felid" *could* mean any felid, but it's clearly a housecat in the actual game 21:20:22 I always envisioned felids as looking like Maine coons 21:20:24 except it's not exactly a housecat, it's an intelligent magic cat 21:20:26 perhaps larger 21:20:28 I am absolutely happy with "formicid", I just would've never made that connection myself. 21:20:31 you dont need to ask the pope, just pick any regular weirdo 21:20:33 Brannock: have you seen all the felid tiles 21:20:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 21:20:36 dpeg: well either they know it just means "ant", or they don't know and they look it up and they find out it just means "ant" 21:20:38 none quite look like main coons 21:20:42 i think the slight indirection helps convey that it's something more specific than a generic 'ant' or w/e 21:20:49 I haven't seen the new ones. let me go look 21:20:55 formicids being 4-armed stasis men or w/e 21:20:59 a dwant 21:21:00 dwants... 21:21:03 :) 21:21:09 ant-inspired 21:21:09 pubby... 21:21:17 it's not indirection though. it literally, directly means ant 21:21:20 I'm going to call him out for another nes race 21:21:27 one that he will again lose 21:21:32 with Eronarn gone, we had almost one year of not-talk on lava orcs 21:21:41 using the scientific terms is a form of indirection. 21:21:59 rename all species to "Organism" 21:22:14 * dpeg pulls out the semantic popcorn 21:22:16 I'm not saying these should be renamed at this point, I just think the "basajaun is a weird name" person is not obviously wrong 21:22:27 -!- Idolo has quit [] 21:22:55 i don't feel super strongly on basajaun 21:23:01 <|amethyst> What about "naga"? 21:23:01 not sure what a better name is 21:23:19 yeah it does stand out, but the species probably needs more work to make people like it more anyhow 21:23:19 |amethyst: fantasy trope! 21:23:19 maybe a new name will then come 21:23:21 naga is a D&Dism the way it's used in crawl 21:23:27 ya 21:23:29 <|amethyst> D&D nagas don't have arms 21:23:41 <|amethyst> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naga_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons) 21:23:44 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 21:23:45 rip guardian naga 21:23:46 gammafunk: ...such as: treeform! :) 21:23:52 dpeg: no 21:23:59 couldnt they be hindu nagas? 21:24:04 gammafunk: I'll win the barking contest! 21:24:06 big beastlies 21:24:13 dpeg: and I'm going to post a rant about it on tavern...that you won't be able to respond to! 21:24:19 evil 21:24:34 I'll report it, and my buddy archaeo will remove it! 21:24:46 wow 21:24:57 moth trolls 21:25:04 only have to remove food to make him cooperate, a cheap price 21:25:09 I never should have asked him to be mod 21:26:39 -!- muravey has quit [Client Quit] 21:28:37 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:28:58 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:31:06 -!- fatkid has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:35:45 if i was an ogre mage i would NOT be hanging out with reg orges or two headed ones 21:36:14 wow, picky 21:37:16 like ancient crawl was picky :p 21:37:40 wonder if "hanging out" includes or excludes "mate" 21:37:46 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:38:07 you know what they say about two headed ogres 21:38:44 I'm not sure I wanna know what they say about two headed ogres. 21:39:05 they say they're basically the same monster as regular ogres and they're right 21:39:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:39:49 nah they make more noise dude 21:39:51 shouting 21:40:20 -!- Thraspic has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:42:09 and they can wear two amulets, pretty big deal 21:42:52 well, in 0.20 they'll be hill giants, so there! 21:43:14 !tell johnstein I can replace the servers' announcers one by one, I have it going for CPO, just let me know when you wan to turn CBRO's off 21:43:14 Kramin: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 21:43:43 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:25 Kramin: cool! I will turn off Rotatell and Henzell tonight (cbro and cao) 21:44:26 johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:44:41 cool, what's this? 21:45:07 are they taking away our precious bots... 21:45:11 ontoclasm, FR: maine coon tile for felid 21:45:38 wanna try replacing ##crawl server announcers with one bot, Kramell 21:45:50 oh...that bot 21:46:09 $play zxc death metal 21:46:29 gammafunk: is this for better or worse performance? 21:46:48 I think it's to better controll announcements 21:46:54 so people in ##crawl don't revolt 21:47:00 Kramin: will this lead to milestone announcements only for players present? 21:47:01 single point of control 21:47:10 dpeg: think of it as a way to keep the serfs in line 21:47:18 dpeg: step 1 recreate existing situation 21:47:30 using one bot. 21:47:34 dpeg:perhaps, for now it should result in no real change 21:47:42 cool 21:48:04 but this bot is cursed...just like the one ring... 21:48:14 is Gretell still kicking? That's a pun worth keeping 21:48:26 RIP Henzell/Gretell 21:48:30 Kramell reads the server logs and stones directly like sequell. this could be a prototype on a future sequell upgrade 21:48:31 Gretell still has monster 21:48:37 currently I have it set with: 21:48:37 we need gretell 21:48:38 Filters for ##crawl: \(L\d\d, \[CPO, found the Orb|reached level 27.*Zig|rune of Zot|with \d+ points 21:48:42 you still need the server bots 21:48:52 ^versions 21:49:01 so level 10+, cpo, orb,rune,end 21:49:10 and zig 27 21:49:27 I think it's something like that that you have already 21:49:38 well if the server bots only exist to report the current version 21:49:44 we can probably just use milestones for that 21:49:45 I kinda wanna redo the way I filter evetually 21:50:14 since the commands people use more often are based on milestones already 21:50:23 why CPO? 21:50:32 CPO has no announcer already 21:50:37 ah 21:50:52 <|amethyst> I must be misunderstanding the filters 21:50:58 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:08 <|amethyst> it sounds like that would mean something like "display all CPO milestones" 21:51:15 johnstein: so CAO and CBRO have no announcer now? 21:51:27 Kramin: they are unchanged 21:51:31 I haven't done it yet 21:51:34 oh, ok 21:51:42 <|amethyst> Kramin: do you have a bad username list 21:51:52 I have a whitelist 21:52:02 currently has .* in it 21:52:03 <|amethyst> ? 21:52:05 <|amethyst> err 21:52:08 to match everything 21:52:12 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:23 don't have a blacklist no 21:52:30 I think what |amethyst is asking is can you squelch offensive names 21:52:36 oh 21:52:41 I did forget about that 21:52:44 I could 21:53:20 what do you currently use 21:53:23 some regex? 21:53:24 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:29 -!- Dr_Jackal has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:53:35 I think it's a list of names 21:53:36 <|amethyst> Kramin: a list of several regexes, but they could be combined with | 21:53:40 in a file 21:53:55 <|amethyst> I'd rather not paste the list here, because I would like to still have a job 21:54:00 heh 21:54:28 eh, is employment worth the hassle? 21:54:37 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:52 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:55:47 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:09 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: sleep] 21:56:36 I haven't had to update that file in a while but it's definitey not empty 21:56:50 what's offensive about basketballamerican 21:57:00 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:02 <|amethyst> Kramin: where are you from? 21:57:10 NZ 21:57:12 <|amethyst> ah 21:57:42 Kramin: it's a racial slur for black people 21:57:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:57:53 ah 21:58:10 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:20 also for anyone who hasn't yet seen the wikipedia picture for basajaun: (nsfw?) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Basajaun.jpg 21:58:37 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:22 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:33 lol 22:01:07 https://twitter.com/vondellswain/status/785496596129652740 22:02:06 yeah I wanted to post something like that but couldn't find the picture I was thinking of 22:02:22 <|amethyst> http://www.boolino.es/es/libros/coleccion/basajaun/ 22:02:59 the tsundere basaundere 22:03:27 |amethyst: adorable 22:03:29 good noses 22:05:25 they're both heterosexual men!!! 22:05:36 gammafunk: that tweet wasn't very good imo 22:05:39 i just liked the original 22:05:43 have you seen what it's based on? 22:05:49 no 22:05:54 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 22:05:54 pacman? 22:06:04 https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/emoji-movie-still-sony-1476125868.jpg 22:06:08 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:28 circle man and circle woman. 22:06:41 I guess the weird part is how she has clothes 22:06:54 well and arms in a different place 22:07:26 -!- Zeor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:07:50 wonder why his tooth is chipped like that 22:08:12 I made kramell's filter system when it was just relaying from ##crawl to other channels, but now I fetch the actual logs I'd like to redesign it so you can filter off the individual keys 22:08:16 gammafunk: also makeup 22:08:20 just fyi 22:09:15 I mean, it's true she has makeup, but I guess it's just begging the question of why you tried to show genders on circle people in the first place 22:09:37 -!- Judedude has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:09:44 purely out of spite, i'm going to point out that "begging the question" means something else, and you probably wanted "raises the question". 22:10:00 that just beggs the question of what you mean tho 22:10:07 !banish gammafunk 22:10:08 PleasingFungus casts a spell. gammafunk is cast into the Abyss! 22:11:13 so guys dont have to wear clothes 22:11:15 <|amethyst> petition the prince 22:11:15 got it 22:11:23 i knew it 22:12:00 dude that giant swollen hand guy 22:12:04 he's the real problem 22:12:07 I'm going to have nightmares 22:12:37 you're welcome ;) 22:13:42 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.2/20160823121617]] 22:14:58 can capitalism please end so that this movie goes away forever 22:16:39 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:17:13 oh, it's a movie 22:17:35 why 22:19:04 did you know it was made in australia? 22:19:42 Malcolm Turnbull approved the project himself 22:20:07 <|amethyst> since Australia bans the import of certain films... 22:20:11 <|amethyst> can't they ban the export of this one? 22:22:56 -!- Thraspic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:24:24 we'd have to ask zxc 22:25:01 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:25:24 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:26:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 22:27:04 I can condition things based on player name, right? 22:27:05 in my rc 22:27:57 is that you.name() 22:28:23 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:29:39 made it to zot 5, please wait about an hour before removing high elfes 22:29:50 you'd be able to keep playing anyway 22:30:09 i don`t trust that 22:30:45 gammafunk: que? 22:30:59 why did you country give us that terrible movie 22:31:01 explain yourself 22:31:08 idk I don't watch anything australian 22:31:30 yeah, I could see that 22:31:42 chequers probably does 22:31:43 also I lied about the movie being australian 22:31:43 ask him 22:31:48 but it certainly could be 22:31:56 -!- Nino has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:35:00 !messages: 22:35:02 !messages 22:35:02 (1/1) johnstein said (3h 17m 46s ago): remember to update the jorgrell versions subroutine to include 0.19 22:35:09 =jorgrun 22:35:09 rocks 22:35:23 can some1 test saves and rebuild on cjr 22:35:39 everyone who was dlg admin is still a dgl admin 22:35:50 sure 22:35:55 ??rebuild 22:35:55 rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/rebuild/ Bug |amethyst or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 22:36:16 ZiBuDo: I get a really weird...404 page? 22:36:20 from that url 22:36:30 hmm 22:36:35 does ask for http auth 22:36:36 hellmonk: what's with https://github.com/Hellmonk/hellcrawl/commit/a5743fca31c9f4eb7f72c371f48b60689ddc10b3 22:36:45 ZiBuDo: yes 22:36:57 someone got asspained because 200k turns is too short I guess 22:36:58 -!- shummie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:37:01 gammafunk: what is the weird 404 page 22:37:06 lol 22:37:14 orgrun gestures wildly while chanting. 22:37:14 The dungeon rumbles around Jorgrun! 22:37:14 You shudder from the earth-shattering force. 22:37:14 Ouch! That really hurt! 22:37:14 You die... 22:37:14 Xom revives you! 22:37:18 oh lol 22:37:19 I cut it down a bunch to make sure people wouldn't actually turboscum with food removal 22:37:22 not that it doesn't say what the error is! 22:37:28 gammafunk: i get something different 22:37:29 i get 22:37:34 Must authenticate to trigger rebuilds. 22:37:45 yeah I got prompted and entered my cached auth 22:37:47 then it throws 500 error 22:37:55 not cached, but my browser had it stored 22:37:58 and then I got that page 22:38:04 yea the damage is the error 22:38:04 lol 22:38:07 -!- nikitamog has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:38:11 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:38:29 must be wrong with something in the script 22:38:31 ill check 22:38:35 seems so 22:38:37 hellmonk: why'd you shorten it before? 22:38:41 oh, i see 22:38:42 that's dumb 22:38:47 what's the priority for tournament rcfiles again? for some reason my berotato rcfile isn't getting picked up for teams 22:38:55 *server priority 22:39:01 I think it was prob unnecessary but w/e 22:39:11 my faith in hellcrawl's purity of design is ruined... 22:39:19 ZiBuDo: do you need more unique pictures for the tourney 22:39:29 minmay: always need more 22:39:48 ill be reworking site so it's not broken and so that the cursor actually works throughout 22:39:51 <|amethyst> CanOfWorms: what account? 22:39:53 cuz ppl email me asking y 22:40:05 |amethyst: wormsofcant 22:40:06 hellmonk: why no iron trolls in bia? just trog nerfin? 22:40:16 I buffed iron trolls to speed 13 22:40:16 I edited my CJR rcfile too recently 22:40:18 <|amethyst> CanOfWorms: it has to be the first line 22:40:26 o 22:40:26 oh, I see 22:40:28 bia iron trolls were too stronk 22:40:32 but yeah, also trog nerfin 22:40:34 gammafunk: try now 22:41:24 auspicious tournament beginnings... 22:41:33 i should steal some of the less memey randart names 22:41:37 not that we're really short on them 22:41:46 or, typical tournament beginnings... 22:42:14 hm, also maybe the death ooze -> AF_DRAIN_SPEED thing 22:42:19 death oozes are so lame 22:42:19 you can do whatever your heart desires <3 22:42:43 PleasingFungus: reminder that "fgsfds" or whatever was in mainline crawl 22:42:50 mainline dcss anyway 22:42:52 heh 22:42:59 fr rename them slime cobs at the same time 22:43:09 greater ooze 22:43:11 giant ooze 22:43:27 just give death oozes slime creature mechanics 22:43:32 did you know we do not use the word "smorgasbord" in all of crawl? 22:43:32 "a titanic death ooze" 22:43:38 %git :/[Gg]iant 22:43:38 07regret-index02 * 0.20-a0-5-ge13d182: Seperate and revise hell effects 10(7 days ago, 3 files, 290+ 121-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e13d182dfca6 22:43:50 you don't fight enough of them for that to matter, unless you also meant "spawn death oozes in large packs" 22:44:03 in which case, sure but make sure to reduce their xp 22:44:13 %git :/iant [Ff]rog 22:44:13 07Brannock02 {PleasingFungus} * 0.19-a0-1557-gd6d7ee1: Rename giant frogs to bullfrogs 10(7 weeks ago, 22 files, 46+ 41-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d6d7ee119bf8 22:44:21 almost two months! 22:44:23 time flies.. 22:44:35 i feel like slime creatures are enough slime creatures for one game 22:44:43 Just My Opinion 22:44:48 did double and triple swords get renamed back? 22:44:51 no 22:44:53 they won't be 22:45:01 cool. that was confusing 22:45:07 great sword, greater sword, greatest sword 22:45:14 @??death ooze 22:45:15 death ooze (06J) | Spd: 12 | HD: 11 | HP: 40-58 | AC/EV: 2/4 | Dam: 3204(rot), 32 | 07undead, 04eats doors, evil, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(120), 02cold, 09poison+++, 08acid+++, 08blind, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08cleanse++ | XP: 1091 | Sz: little | Int: brainless. 22:45:17 ZiBuDo: It loads, but I got a lock error when trying trunk 22:45:19 maybe when we all move on and the next gen of devs show up with their own strong sword opinions 22:45:24 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:45:34 gammafunk: probably being updated 22:45:35 @??azure jelly 22:45:35 azure jelly (12J) | Spd: 12 | HD: 15 | HP: 66-95 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 1212(cold:15-44), 1212(cold:15-44), 12, 12 | 04eats doors, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 08acid+++, 08blind, 12drown | Vul: 04fire | XP: 1892 | Sz: small | Int: brainless. 22:45:38 hell yeh 501st high score 22:45:40 gammafunk: everything is updated often 22:45:46 ZiBuDo: all versions seem to give that error though 22:45:51 not sure if that matters 22:45:52 i wonder if death oozes would work better if you just like... doubled their hp 22:45:56 gammafunk: hmm 22:46:09 I hope double/triple swords stay forever because the accompanying quotes for them are some of the best in the game 22:46:10 not really, they'd be more annoying and make me blow a couple more cure pots 22:46:25 i mean, they might do something 22:46:36 damage, maybe 22:46:43 !lg * recent slime s=cikiller 22:46:44 2509 games for * (recent slime): 903x the royal jelly, 730x an acid blob, 212x an azure jelly, 197x, 104x a slime creature, 75x a titanic slime creature, 43x a very large slime creature, 39x a large slime creature, 37x Dissolution, 37x an enormous slime creature, 35x an eye of devastation, 32x a death ooze, 16x a great orb of eyes, 9x the player character, 8x a player ghost, 6x the rage of Trog, 6... 22:46:54 might be better to think of something more interesting to give them that's undead-themed 22:47:08 like... af_drain_speed..... 22:47:13 af_miasma... 22:47:13 like they get more dangerous 1v1 obviously, but I don't think 32-32 is very significant damage for most characters in slime 22:47:19 though we have been using af_drain_speed very heavily lately 22:47:23 whoa 22:47:28 did someone remove these quotes 22:47:31 af_miasmata 22:47:33 Brannock: ? 22:47:37 flayed ghost melee? 22:47:37 brannock: are you using ?/ 22:47:39 I thought you were joking about af_drain_speed for that reason 22:47:40 even if they have 80-116 hp instead of 40-58 22:47:45 or just examining the item 22:47:58 oh it's an item desc 22:47:58 <|amethyst> what quotes? 22:47:59 not quote 22:48:18 gammafunk: no, that's what the hellcrawl implementation does 22:48:23 which is why i was thinking about them 22:48:28 no they actually did remove them 22:48:28 geez 22:48:32 A magical weapon with twin razor-sharp blades. According to legend, a knight once suggested the idea of a double-bladed sword to a master forger as a joke, but was pleasantly surprised to find that not only was the forger capable of making such a sword, but that the weapon produced was extremely deadly. 22:48:41 now it's just that first sentence 22:48:51 A magical weapon with three great razor-sharp blades. According to legend, a master forger created a sword with two blades at the facetious suggestion of a knight, who, finding that the resulting blade was quite functional, jovially quipped, "Ah, very good, but could you make a *triple* sword?" When the answer turned out to be yes, the knight was too shocked to ask about the possibilities of a quadruple sword. 22:48:52 beware the flavor cost 22:48:54 give them af_flay 22:49:10 yeah, we generally try to avoid overly long descriptions that try too hard to be funny 22:49:12 flay math is dumb and bad, give them af_torment 22:49:26 <|amethyst> We generally try to avoid funny descriptions 22:49:28 af_pain is real and not super heavily used 22:49:35 we generally try to avoid fun 22:49:36 af_pain could be good yeah 22:49:40 af agony 22:49:41 rip, that's always been two of my favorite 22:49:44 af_pleasure 22:49:45 af_pain is basically just af_more damage but yeah it would be ok 22:50:00 well, af_resisted_by_rn_damage 22:50:04 I guess it checks rn but who cares about rn lol 22:50:06 1 in every 5 death oozes is secretly a life ooze that heals you on hits 22:50:16 i think it should just be that the kinight doesnt know the word quadruple or the concept didnt exist yet 22:50:25 ktgrey: do you know about the old death ooze / silver item interactions 22:50:34 there were silver items 22:50:43 slimes aren't miasma immune are they, otherwise miasma cloud farts would be worth consideration 22:50:46 death oozes were chaotic? 22:50:50 they were undead 22:50:51 death oozes used to fart miasma when eating... something 22:50:54 i think 22:51:01 also they were injured by eating silver iirc 22:51:04 it was all very complex 22:51:05 oh, silver used to deal extra damage to undead? 22:51:12 yeah it used to do double damage to undead and chaotic 22:51:17 nice 22:51:34 you see here a silver sabre 'grayswandir' 22:52:00 found it 22:52:01 %git 32d5e676cb2fcb6c43caf46cdd6a73c2c2c36a20 22:52:01 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-574-g32d5e67: Remove monster corpse-eating 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 6 files, 15+ 111-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/32d5e676cb2f 22:52:14 it's hard to think of cool ideas for melee only monsters tbh 22:52:33 give them sickness aura 22:52:35 lol 22:52:51 acid blobs are the best designed slime enemy because they can go american sniper on you 22:52:53 I remember when I first saw a necrophage eating a corpse (of an unique), I went "Whoa, that's fucked up" then a moment later realized that's exactly what I do... 22:52:53 (joke) 22:52:56 the player is the real monster. 22:52:56 sickness + aoe miasma... 22:53:22 give them powered by death 22:53:34 wait, what does powered by death even do 22:53:38 rapid HP regeneration 22:53:44 gives the player regen on kills 22:53:46 putrid demonspawn used to have it too 22:53:49 ah 22:53:50 then putrid ds were removed. 22:53:54 r i p 22:53:58 make them some kind of bee 22:54:03 players love that 22:54:04 make it so that they gain regen for any deaths within los of them 22:54:06 slime bee 22:54:12 death slime bee 22:54:14 I don't think death ooze have enough HP for that to matter 22:54:16 ktgrey: for monsters, that has to be dramatic to be relevant (if it's ever gonna be) 22:54:20 make it dramatic 22:54:21 it'd have to be a full heal 22:54:22 with batty movement 22:54:24 and rots you 22:54:27 and even then i doubt it'd be that big a deal 22:54:30 death oozes are iirc fairly rare in slime compared to acid blobs and azures too 22:54:40 fr: necrophages just lick corpses instead of eating them 22:54:42 !source mon-pick-data.h 22:54:42 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-pick-data.h 22:54:50 they get the healing or whatever but don't destroy the corpse 22:54:55 well 22:54:57 the idea is that after you kill trj the death oozes fuck you over 22:54:57 part two is already done 22:54:59 death ooze are 1/5 as common as acid blobs 22:55:04 ish 22:55:17 less, really, since they're RISE instead of FLAT 22:55:31 oh, corpse destruction finally went away? yay 22:55:31 yeah, kind of odd that they're simultaneously rare and weak 22:55:32 minmay: corpse eating was removed in 0.17 22:55:33 ya 22:55:39 commit is a bit up ^ 22:55:40 @??death ooze 22:55:40 death ooze (06J) | Spd: 12 | HD: 11 | HP: 40-58 | AC/EV: 2/4 | Dam: 3204(rot), 32 | 07undead, 04eats doors, evil, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(120), 02cold, 09poison+++, 08acid+++, 08blind, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08cleanse++ | XP: 1091 | Sz: little | Int: brainless. 22:55:51 @??azure jelly 22:55:51 azure jelly (12J) | Spd: 12 | HD: 15 | HP: 66-95 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 1212(cold:15-44), 1212(cold:15-44), 12, 12 | 04eats doors, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 08acid+++, 08blind, 12drown | Vul: 04fire | XP: 1892 | Sz: small | Int: brainless. 22:55:51 if you ever get a death ooze, azure jelly, acid blob, slime creature, and regular jelly all next to each other they combine to form a voltron 22:55:51 really they should be moved up to azure jelly tier 22:55:57 i've been luring necrophages away from corpses unnecessarily for a while then 22:56:02 heh 22:56:06 the curse of the veteran 22:56:06 deluxe jelly 22:56:11 <|amethyst> perhaps they should be renamed? 22:56:15 <|amethyst> necrophages that is 22:56:16 you know all the tricks monsters can no longer pull... 22:56:18 more like curse of the mummy 22:56:22 |amethyst: what about ghouls 22:56:23 -!- Pekkekk has quit [] 22:56:29 jelly deluxe with randomly-elemental damage, also it's fast 22:56:34 and shoots random bolt 22:56:37 ktgrey: go go power jellies 22:56:41 just because they like to eat corpses doesn't mean they need to do it, like, in the middle of a fight with you. 22:56:45 that's speciesist 22:56:47 maybe they're full 22:57:02 maybe they're picky 22:57:06 do we still have that one Lair necrophage vault? 22:57:07 they got tired of pressing Y to keep eating so now they don't eat in combat 22:57:10 zing 22:57:11 with the dead animals and necrophages 22:57:26 necrophage doesn't seem worth the effort of renaming 22:57:28 seems not 22:57:49 <|amethyst> I'd do necrophage -> ghoul and ghoul -> giant ghoul 22:57:52 oh, there it is 22:57:57 <|amethyst> then brannock can come up with a better name for the latter 22:57:59 !vault roderic_carrion_pond 22:57:59 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des#L2271 22:58:08 |amethyst: so ghouls get rot attacks but not giant ghouls? 22:58:28 @??ghoul 22:58:28 ghoul (05n) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 118-173 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 30, 30 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08cleanse++ | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 1548 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 22:58:29 there's a tartarus vault with necrophages... 22:58:39 <|amethyst> their hands are too big to cause rot 22:58:39 i honestly forgot they didn't have rot attacks anymore 22:58:47 two, actually 22:58:52 wait, necrophages generate naturally in all four hells. what 22:58:56 !vault lemuel_nasty_pond 22:58:56 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/tar.des#L103 22:58:59 welcome... to hell spawns 22:59:00 and below that too 22:59:06 minmay, hell spawn tables will be reworked in 0.20 22:59:31 thank fuck, now I don't have to do it myself 22:59:36 well, like, mummies generating in geh made since, because gehenna is certainly the most hellish hell for mummies 22:59:41 s/since/sense 22:59:47 I'm pretty excited for the postgame rework but it'll be a lot of work 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:09 are you for sure committing to hellpan roulette or is something else planned 23:00:10 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:00:19 I think the roulette is necessary at this point if we truly want to make postgame challenging 23:01:31 minmay, I was thinking of reducing multiple abyss/pan/hell entrances in Depths to only one each, and having each come with an entrance vault instead of the entrance being there on its own 23:01:35 think you're up for doing some? 23:01:50 abyss in particular needs some 23:02:03 they do come with entrance vaults 23:02:15 I have a good abyss one, it should have a wretched star behind some grates 23:02:16 not enough 23:02:25 lol 23:02:33 I don't have any ideas for such vaults 23:03:05 gammafunk: sorry, i'm not around the next few days. I think launching the survey now would be great, so it's during the tourney attention span, and then a few people suggested just leaving it open for a year. I think you can launch without an in-game message, especially if the survey will be open fr so long 23:03:14 i support only one entrance per depths branch; i suggested this a bit back but then no one implemented it for me 23:03:27 PleasingFungus: insensitive of them 23:03:32 agreed! 23:03:38 what happens to the lair:6 hell entrance 23:03:44 it stays 23:03:55 but my directed acyclic graph!! 23:04:08 you can have the lair 6 hell go to a different hell 23:04:12 I have a solution for the lair 6 hell entrance 23:04:14 remove lair 23:04:17 :) 23:04:24 make it go to lair:38 instead of hell 23:04:27 maybe you go > and you're told that hell is closed for business 23:04:36 ktgrey: pocket hell, where it's the same as normal hell but you can't find the rune 23:04:48 send them to heck, which is run by ron, who summons heck beasts with his horn of ron 23:06:20 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:06:20 -!- tw12we has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:07:30 http://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=Phil+Prince+Of+Insufficient+Light 23:10:54 -!- tollymain has joined ##crawl-dev 23:14:11 <|amethyst> spells:tarnation.magical.72 23:14:48 when was Depths added? 23:14:59 I'm surprised at how many Depths vaults don't have author attribution 23:15:02 I think 0.14 23:15:14 mostly in large_abstract.des 23:15:27 also this is an excellent vault name 23:15:29 yeah, it's 0.14 23:15:30 !vault thingy_vault_2 23:15:30 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/large_abstract.des#L418 23:16:25 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:43 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest21555 23:19:25 -!- flappity_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:21:21 -!- Guest21555 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:23:58 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:29:17 -!- jdeeny has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:36:59 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:23 Brannock: i think i put that in @crawlcode a while back 23:37:38 also, a lot of depths vaults were originally late D vaults 23:37:47 most? probably most 23:41:29 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:42:08 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0.2/20161019084923]] 23:43:45 -!- Dr_Jackal has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:43:53 ??hdarc 23:43:53 hdarc[1/1]: A set of options and functions. It can automatically chop up corpses, exclude uniques, and more. For questions or comments, contact HDA. . To use on CSZO or CAO: include += HilariousDeathArtist.rc then macro ===HDAtravel to the 'o' key. 23:44:03 ??gammafunkrc 23:44:04 gammafunkrc[1/1]: Lua code for randomizing player tiles (RandomTiles), setting skill targets, loading default skill settings/target, bread swinging, rc option toggling, and others: https://github.com/gammafunk/dcss-rc 23:46:36 -!- vaultlich has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:46:56 I have a bug report about the release post: https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/crawl-0-19-dancing-through-memory 23:47:02 the very first dot point is about removals 23:47:16 Lowercase Hepliaklqana ancestor names are capitalized when they begin messages. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10763 by n1000 23:47:16 why isn't the first dotpoint NEW GODS!!!!!1 23:48:11 <|amethyst> "I think these should act like proper nouns and not be capitalized." spoken like a true programmer 23:48:21 -!- vaultlich_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:49:32 thank you 23:49:48 <|amethyst> I vote against fixing that, because it makes naming your ancestor "something" less amusing 23:49:59 !lm * ancestor 23:50:00 6445. [2016-11-04 03:22:08] hyperkramin the Covert (L8 SpMo of Hepliaklqana) remembered their ancestor Ahmose as a hexer on turn 9273. (Temple) 23:50:10 !lm * ancestor milestone~~gamma s=milestone 23:51:00 doesn't crawl still capitalize my nick when i send somebody a console message 23:51:17 I thought that was fixed 23:51:30 someone else can test that 23:51:41 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm * ancestor milestone~~gamma s=milestone 23:52:54 minmay, I just tested it, it's fixed 23:55:00 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:35 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 23:57:40 amethyst did you also give your rival in pokemon funny names 23:57:56 oh we have a pretty major omission from the changelog 23:58:03 fire/ice removal 23:58:06 and quicksilver/shadow addition 23:58:08 for zot 23:58:33 guess that goes into 0.19.1