00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:30 -!- Guest87625 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:00:44 hm, a simple redefined "partial orb guardian" monsters with reduced stats might do... 00:00:51 good idea! 00:01:57 i looked a little but i didn't give them a thorough testing, my first impressions were "murdered by blink frogs" and also sigmund is kind of a chump vs blink frogs. also it seemed like the main strategy would be to just get your ally in front of you in that first hallway and let them chump block the first wave and then they'd probably die 00:02:48 nicolae-: yes, the tought part is to find ally/enemy combinations where your ally is too weak alone but together you might be able to do it 00:02:53 *tough (I need to sleep) 00:03:26 the problem there is that the hallway's only one square wide so you're not really inspired to fight alongside them, but to hide behind them until they're dead 00:03:38 well, layout is open for debate, too :) 00:03:50 I was just going for a minimal working example there. 00:04:07 yeah, fair 00:04:20 -!- Blazinghbnd has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:05:14 I'm really keen of having Sigmund in the ally list, because he's such a mascot enemy. 00:05:21 confession time: i'm not a very good player so i have a hard time evaluating vault difficulty 00:05:25 yeah, that is a nice touch 00:05:43 !win nicolae 00:05:43 nicolae has not won in 12 games. 00:05:51 i also don't play online very often 00:06:03 local tiles? 00:06:08 yep 00:06:44 anyway, thanks for testing... if you have specific ideas, please mail/tell me (or just change the des file =) 00:07:56 This is a very early vault, so it's easier to test in a sense (more familiar to most people). OTOH, the power range of characters is huge: A **Be might be able to breeze through any early portal vault (maybe not a problem with vaults but with berserkers) 00:09:03 i think that's more on the berserker end, yeah 00:09:22 %git 00:09:22 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.20-a0-3-g334f831: Minor changelog tweaks (proofreading etc) 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/334f831b21e8 00:09:32 %git stone_soup-0.19 00:09:32 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-b1-4-gd8a0a2a: Minor changelog tweaks (proofreading etc) 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d8a0a2a61aa5 00:11:26 portals are fun but they're hard to design... recently i was thinking about the demon pit and dragon's den ideas but i couldn't get past the same issues i had with them the last time i thought of them 00:13:04 what is the main issue with an early demon vault? 00:14:54 the latest attempts at portal vaults try to have some kind of mechanical distinction (desolation has clouds and a focus on weak enemies with support, oubliette has a temporary ally), but demon pit is sort of in the ossuary-like class of "welp, here's some monsters" 00:15:01 it's not a deal breaker i suppose 00:15:17 yeah, portals are nice if they have a very distinct layout feel 00:16:05 i could do some stuff with layouts or some special sort of loot but i'm not really sure how to make them feel Interesting 00:16:12 ossuaries do a decent job of that through their vaults 00:16:14 nicolae-: no, certainly not a deal breaker 00:16:51 I think the idea was that some demons are usually ignorable but could be really interesting enemies if placed sufficiently early? 00:17:21 ice caves do this already with cold-themed ones 00:17:27 true! 00:17:46 possibly 00:17:56 it's a lot of work to make a good set of nice vaults 00:18:21 gammafunk: can start with just one and low chance 00:18:30 eh, i'll think about it more, the worst that happens is i make some vaults that don't make it in, which *gestures to submission history* 00:18:40 :) 00:19:02 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:27 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:29 I guess I'll think some more what kind of enemies could be appropriate for a "early character plus Sigmund" tag team. 00:20:38 the actual ideal point for an early demons vault is bailey depth (orc warlord vs. most 3s), and oubilette's a bit earlier than that... 00:20:48 -!- Patashu__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:11 regret-index: yeah. Do you have pointers for oubliette monsters/layout (or otherwise)? 00:21:57 -!- mt-i has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:22:10 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:22:38 well, d:3/4 is a pretty precarious position for a portal (see: how quote-unquote limited sewers and ossuaries are)... 00:23:43 yes... could be a bit deeper, but I'd really like to allow some classic uniques as allies (Sigmund, Pikel, Dowan/Duvessa) 00:23:52 fair 00:23:52 -!- Patashu__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:53 so it shouldn't be too deep 00:24:01 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:24:22 the thought mostly comes up because you've pulled out five different disparate monster sets, which sort of reminds me of old volcanoes :P 00:24:48 dragon's den has a sort of opposite problem, the idea is unique mechanically (early portal with an extremely dangerous monster for that depth, the trick is to avoid direct confrontation and instead hurry/sneak/whatever around and steal the monster's hoard) 00:24:53 regret-index: I was blindly guessing there, I am not really good at this sort of thing :) 00:25:09 but it would probably mean a lot of early deaths for everybody without spoilers 00:25:38 clearly, dragonbreath renders rock into glass- 00:25:53 nicolae-: this is maybe not so bad... it's extremely early, and we could place various warnings/indicators that a player does not feel cheated 00:26:36 finding niches appropiate for their depth is why I said "screw it" and went for something deep and purposefully scattered 00:26:51 yeah, tbh my inclination is "well if you didn't want to get annihilated you shouldna come in the dungeon" but this is, perhaps, not an attitude conducive to good gameplay 00:27:25 I'd half say I'd rather just see "ruined" baileys that were attacked by a still-lurking dragon 00:27:27 nicolae-: you could also take a very strong but slow monster that chases the player 00:27:38 regret-index: oh, nice! 00:27:51 nicolae-: one of my ossuary maps tries this with the three mummies 00:28:17 a naga, perhaps... 00:28:31 yeah 00:28:42 but they spit poison... 00:28:50 (maybe good, actually) 00:28:56 @??iron golem 00:28:56 iron golem (108) | Spd: 7 | HD: 15 | HP: 115-157 | AC/EV: 15/3 | Dam: 35 | 11non-living, 10doors, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 807 | Sz: Large | Int: brainless. 00:29:39 monster naga that left chei for tso, so they can't spit poison but have chei move speed >.> 00:30:06 if you want anything strong but slow, you need a significant gap or else people will just stop and kill it / die at the tightest first intersection 00:30:26 you'd get a head start 00:30:38 im reminded of the rolling beetle vault 00:30:46 rip 00:30:47 poor beetles 00:30:49 well one of the benefits of using dragons, in the original dragon's den suggestion, was the chance for an early dragon scale armor, so if you were feeling cocky you could go mega-high-risk-high-reward 00:30:56 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:05 nicolae-: rewarding berserkers? :) 00:31:05 ??iron dragon armour 00:31:06 iron dragon armour[1/1]: doesn't exist 00:31:39 alright, time to sleep... any comments, however short, on oubliettes welcome 00:31:46 -!- dpeg_ has quit [Quit: zzzz] 00:33:39 I would say a bottle-dungeon might be a good excuse to drop down early V monster in the same spirit as ice caves / volcanoes and salamanders / dragons, but that mostly just makes me want less boring baileys 00:34:14 -!- nonethousand has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:35:31 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:35:46 (...and I suppose Desolation is also cornering that market. peh.) 00:35:50 -!- regret-index has left ##crawl-dev 00:35:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:36:08 I went to a dungeon once 00:36:25 it was awful 00:43:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:46:33 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:52:59 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 00:59:51 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-3-g334f831 (34) 00:59:58 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:21 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest56842 01:00:46 Stable (0.19) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-b1-4-gd8a0a2a 01:02:31 also, 11 portals is already a lot 01:03:14 though ossuary and labyrinth are easy targets for replacement i suppose 01:03:56 gammafunk: did I tell you about the dream where I was stuck in a dungeon with felicia day and bill clinton 01:04:34 -!- Guest56842 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:09:44 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:13:38 ??rebuild 01:13:38 rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/rebuild/ Bug |amethyst or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 01:15:14 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:15:29 ??rebuild[2 01:15:30 rebuild[2/2]: Trunk update start times in UTC (second number during summer time): CAO: 1700; CDO: 0600/0500; CLAN: 2300/2200; CBRO: 0800/0700; CXC: 0500/0400; CPO: every 15 minutes; CJR: every hour 01:16:15 -!- protopulse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:18:10 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 01:19:04 Stable (0.19) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-b1-4-gd8a0a2a 01:19:55 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:21:32 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:22:26 man, cao runs so much faster than cbro 01:24:39 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 01:25:27 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:25:59 !tell |amethyst I was going to update henzell, but sizzell.pl is read-only. making me that maybe that's done differntly on cao. on cbro I just edit the file. kill the process. then relaunch it. 01:26:00 johnstein: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 01:26:58 !tell |amethyst doh. nm. I needed to su to henzell. ??doh 01:26:59 johnstein: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 01:28:28 -!- Henzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:11 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 01:29:20 welcome back Henzell 01:29:24 how've you been doing? 01:29:42 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:29:59 minmay: where's my fucking crawl comic 01:30:12 ??servers 01:30:12 servers[1/3]: USA: {cao}, {cbro}; CAN: {cjr}; EU: {cdo}, {cue}, {cxc}; KR: {cwz}; JP: {lld}; AU: {cpo} 01:30:12 you're months and months overdue 01:30:22 was Henzell out of date? 01:30:25 tbh I can't even remember how I earned it 01:30:33 oh right, merging vaults 01:30:39 oh. I missed your message to minmay. doh 01:30:54 wonder how similar the other servers are to cao/cbro/cszo/cue. 01:31:06 cxc is the same setup 01:31:13 lld and cwz are webtiles-only 01:31:19 and they don't use dgl at all I think 01:31:23 cjr is dgl setup 01:31:40 not sure how cdo is set up 01:31:45 but it doesn't have webtiles 01:42:42 !send gammafunk a sequell pull request 01:42:42 Sending a sequell pull request to gammafunk. 01:42:45 https://github.com/crawl/sequell/pull/67 01:43:17 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0.2/20161019084923]] 01:46:04 -!- Henzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46:19 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:46:46 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 01:46:48 !lg * cxc cv=0.19 01:46:49 No games for * (cxc cv=0.19). 01:46:54 !lg * cxc cv~~0.19 01:46:55 43228. Goblin1989 the Chopper (L5 DsAK of Lugonu), slain by a gnoll (a +0 halberd) on D:3 on 2016-10-30 04:56:23, with 140 points after 2643 turns and 0:06:53. 01:46:59 !lg * cxc cv~~0.19 x=cv 01:47:00 43228. [cv=0.19-a] Goblin1989 the Chopper (L5 DsAK of Lugonu), slain by a gnoll (a +0 halberd) on D:3 on 2016-10-30 04:56:23, with 140 points after 2643 turns and 0:06:53. 01:47:12 !lg * cv=0.19 x=cv 01:47:12 No games for * (cv=0.19). 01:47:24 !lg * cv~~0.19 s=cv 01:47:25 488309 games for * (cv~~0.19): 488309x 0.19-a 01:47:35 !lg * cv~~0.19 x=vlong 01:47:36 488309. [vlong=0.19-b1-3-g7dea586] Drazool the Chopper (L6 DsGl of Hepliaklqana), slain by a wight (a cursed +0 spear) on D:3 on 2016-10-30 05:46:55, with 368 points after 5788 turns and 0:16:49. 01:47:38 right 01:47:44 !lg * cv~~0.19 s=src 01:47:45 488309 games for * (cv~~0.19): 184970x cwz, 107249x cbro, 81982x cao, 43228x cxc, 28903x cue, 17255x cpo, 13131x cjr, 6458x lld, 5133x cdo 01:47:56 yay successful 0.19 update on cao! 01:48:06 hrm 01:48:22 !lg * cv~~0.19 vlong>=0.19-b1-1 01:48:23 2316. Drazool the Chopper (L6 DsGl of Hepliaklqana), slain by a wight (a cursed +0 spear) on D:3 on 2016-10-30 05:46:55, with 368 points after 5788 turns and 0:16:49. 01:48:26 !lg * cv~~0.19 vlong>=0.19-b1-1 s=src 01:48:27 2316 games for * (cv~~0.19 vlong>=0.19-b1-1): 1731x cbro, 585x cxc 01:48:33 not yet I think 01:48:41 those are the 0.19 trunks 01:48:51 but yeah I'm merging that 01:49:25 !kw beta 01:49:26 No keyword 'beta' 01:49:32 ? 01:49:47 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:49:53 0.19-a and 0.19-b1 are both cv=0.19 01:50:07 or maybe you weren't talking about that 01:50:12 when you said successful update 01:50:20 all I'm saying is that 0.19 is playable on cao now 01:50:24 ok, cool 01:50:35 you said it right after that query I did 01:50:46 so I wasn't sure what you meant 01:50:46 and everything should be linked up. henzell is updated. sequell PR is submitted 01:50:52 yeah the pr is merged 01:50:56 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:51:05 ah, yea I didn't read anything. was just happy that it all worked and I didn't manage to burn anything down 01:51:10 green.snark will probably mysteriously update it like he always does 01:51:17 gammafunk: well, I might have drawn it in my last dream if I hadn't woken up 01:51:18 sequell doesn't run on cao does it? 01:51:19 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 01:51:32 -!- tmass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:51:35 on cao? no it runs on 01:51:37 ??userdef 01:51:37 userdef[1/1]: https://loom.shalott.org/userdef.html 01:51:47 some hostnames in shalott.org 01:51:55 *hostname 01:52:07 as in a server that snark admins/owns himself 01:52:20 johnstein: you copy ttyrecs over to this server 01:52:22 ok. that's where the ttyrecs go 01:52:34 I was poking around and didn't see a sequell username 01:52:44 might be a different host, yeah 01:53:02 ah it is 01:53:11 different username that is 01:53:36 so I guess just let me know if/when to add survey links 01:54:49 who call can restart sequell? just green.snark? 01:55:03 afaik yes 01:55:17 he seems to do that, or maybe sequell is pulling that yml file 01:55:32 !lg caotest 01:55:33 No games for caotest. 01:59:25 !tell greensnark Added 0.19 for cao, and cpo, cwz, and lld have it at the usual locations 01:59:25 gammafunk: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 01:59:34 I guess I could go make a pr for that 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:04 I shall do this tomorrow tomorrow if someone doesn't update it first 02:01:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:08:26 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:50 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest18848 02:08:56 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:09:44 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12:37 -!- Guest18848 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:14:36 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:15:15 -!- destrovel_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:18:06 -!- nonethousand is now known as n1 02:19:21 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:19:27 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-3-g334f831 (34) 02:22:55 -!- mcfailface has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:23:57 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:37:02 Entropy weaver tiles don't show weapons 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10752 by Cimanyd 02:37:46 that qualifies as a bug report? 02:38:08 i mean, pikel doesn't lose his whip when you use tukima on him 02:38:22 i just assumed some tiles aren't equipped to show it 02:38:49 ideally they would 02:38:54 for any monster that can wield weapons 02:39:08 fair enough 02:39:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 02:39:18 and ideally pikel would have a non-whip tile, like arachne does 02:39:27 she does? 02:40:08 arachne has a staveless tile, yeah 02:40:25 hm 02:40:34 does sigmund have a scytheless one? 02:40:37 nope 02:40:39 @??sigmund 02:40:39 Sigmund (08@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 24-35 | AC/EV: 2/11 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 222 | Sp: magic dart (3d4), throw flame (3d5), confuse, invisibility | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 02:40:49 I think he won't switch weapons 02:40:55 I forget where that's controlled 02:41:08 i have defiitely used tukima on arachne before though 02:41:19 in order to make parrow more effective 02:41:32 "definitely" even 02:41:49 i just didn't pay attention to the tile i guess 02:42:28 it's like you don't even care about arachne's stave, ProzacElf 02:42:38 lol 02:42:39 really that's just not nice 02:42:59 i almost never care about a poison staff 02:43:16 maybe if she had olgreb's staff 02:43:19 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:43:48 then you could even add some flavor 02:43:49 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:43:59 and put olgreb's body in some webs nearby 02:44:01 =D 02:48:19 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:50:58 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:21 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:52:45 I have to see how hatches record their destination 02:52:54 not sure how this will work for passages of golubria 02:52:59 hrm 02:54:49 -!- Kenran has joined ##crawl-dev 02:56:07 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:56:15 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-3-g334f831 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:50 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:02:34 -!- eb_ has quit [] 03:06:40 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:07:03 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest73962 03:07:14 ??pakellas[3 03:07:14 pakellas[3/3]: Rods out for Pakellas :( 03:10:54 -!- Guest73962 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:13:37 Stable (0.19) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-b1-4-gd8a0a2a 03:16:40 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-3-g334f831 (34) 03:18:49 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:26:00 -!- PElf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:45 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:35:21 -!- milton is now known as Guest81265 03:39:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:48:51 -!- acalycine has quit [Quit: bye] 03:52:40 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-3-g334f831 03:57:07 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 03:58:19 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:18:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:36:40 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 04:44:52 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 04:51:03 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:54:17 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13:25 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:20:02 -!- Telnaior_ has quit [Client Quit] 05:21:44 -!- Telnaior has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:31:36 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:36:41 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 05:37:25 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:38:20 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 05:47:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:12:05 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:21:36 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:32:59 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:34:59 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Client Quit] 06:36:51 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:11:48 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 07:16:04 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:03 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:34:06 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:50 the x v screen on a titanic slime creature displays it has about 60 hp 07:41:55 while it should have 300 07:54:44 Tux[Qyou]: you should try tabbing it a few times to empirically test how much hp it has 07:55:02 gammafunk: @?titanic slime creature 07:55:53 it's the only way, got to see for your self 07:56:11 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:56:56 -!- kdrnic has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:59:08 -!- Dingo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:03:20 -!- Dingo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:06:53 gammafunk: well a little slime creature has 60 08:07:06 and it displays that every slime creature has 60 08:09:00 !tell ontoclasm Ushtabi weren't my fault 08:09:01 Lasty: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 08:09:11 !tell ontoclasm I try to stay out of tomb, in every sense 08:09:11 Lasty: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 08:10:41 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:51 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:04 Tux[Qyou]: no, I'm just joking, that's worthy of a bug report 08:12:27 Now you could probably get Lasty to tab that titanic slime creature with his amulet of harm on, of course 08:13:39 bring back the crown of eternal torment as an item with harm++ 08:13:54 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:20:02 gammafunk: oh my god, that's brilliant! 08:20:34 I considered not hitting enter on that irc message, lest I held responsible for it coming into being! 08:20:40 Half the players wouldn't use it because it has harm, half wouldn't use it because it's bad, and so no one would accidentally put the damn thing on 08:21:05 newbie trap problem solved 08:21:37 It's so obvious now! 08:27:43 -!- Odds has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:28:44 Lasty: this train of thought is harmful! 08:31:32 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:33:28 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:35:12 No, no, it's perfect! We give the players what they want, then make sure they don't want it anymore 08:40:17 I see, we have to bend and break them :) 08:41:26 yes! 08:49:03 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:13 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:53:36 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:53 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:32 -!- protopulse has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:48 Stable (0.19) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-b1-4-gd8a0a2a 09:42:21 what if a monster had a harm aura 09:42:48 that would be dumb, right? 09:47:02 Bytey (L1 HOFE) (D:1) 09:47:02 xvga (L21 OpEE) (D (Sprint)) 09:47:02 sheala (L9 HEEn) (D:9) 09:47:03 Mukku (L8 FoAK) (D:4) 09:47:03 Dioneo (L14 HOGl) (Lair:8) 09:47:04 GordonOverkill (L9 DrFE) (D:8) 09:47:07 kuniqs (L13 DsSu) (Orc:2) 09:47:09 Wizop (L25 DsNe) (Zot:3) 09:47:14 Webtiles server restarted. 09:48:21 kuniqs (L13 DsSu) (Orc:2) 09:48:21 xvga (L21 OpEE) (D (Sprint)) 09:48:21 UranusSolar (L1 DECj) (D:1) 09:48:22 Wizop (L25 DsNe) (Zot:3) 09:48:22 sheala (L9 HEEn) (D:9) 09:48:25 Webtiles server restarted. 09:50:43 -!- Lantell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:50:53 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:54 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:14:08 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:14 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:18:19 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:21:32 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 10:23:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:24:36 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 10:28:17 -!- Odds has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:59 -!- Odds has quit [Client Quit] 10:37:59 -!- desolator has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45:59 -!- Odds has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:08 -!- jdeeny has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:47:41 Hello! I've been playing in the code for the first time, trying out some ideas with autoexplore. I'm wondering how to find out if a change is likely to be wanted (before putting in loads of effort)? 10:48:26 Incidentally, going from nothing to a first build and run on crawl is very well documented and painless - thanks! 10:52:10 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:00:01 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:11:36 bring it up on tavern, or mantis, or here I guess 11:15:47 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:49 -!- Floodkiller has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:35 -!- Guest81265 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:35:37 Odds, improvements to autoexplore are welcome, especially if you can show evidence that it works as intended 11:37:02 thanks! I've been trying this one out locally - it biases exploration towards upstairs to improve safety. 11:38:23 it seems to work as intended, and provide an expected slight slowdown to exploration. 11:39:04 hmm, sounds like an option rather than a straight improvement to autoexplore 11:39:23 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:35 definitely would be an option 11:39:48 people don't want to be slowed down by default 11:41:12 So it'd explore around the first known upstairs, then move on to the next one? 11:41:26 my prototype does this: 11:41:34 - Find nearest upstair to player 11:41:57 - Score unexplored squares by (distance from player) + x*(distance from that stair) 11:42:13 x=2 gives pretty reasonable exploration 11:42:28 and never takes you charging across the map 11:45:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:47:33 Not bad 11:48:14 How does it handle weird layouts? Like areas that are near the stairs, but requires you to take the long-way-around to access it? 11:48:31 oh, these are all travel distances 11:48:38 Okay 11:49:14 (what if there is no known path to any stairs?) 11:49:28 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:49:35 it uses "player" for "nearest upstair" (atm) 11:53:32 -!- halv has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:52 quick question: what are valid characters for accounts on the servers (and are the valid characters consistent across all servers)? 12:17:22 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:33:59 <|amethyst> alphanumeric only, 3 to 20 characters 12:33:59 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:34:05 <|amethyst> probably the same on all servers 12:34:26 alright, thanks, was putting the regex validation together 12:37:10 some servers allow 2 characters 12:37:17 !lg bh 12:37:18 1748. bh the Grave Robber (L5 FeNe), blasted by a killer bee (exploding inner flame) (hexed by the player character) on D:4 on 2016-10-16 20:31:39, with 210 points after 5288 turns and 0:21:09. 12:37:25 or at least, they did at some point 12:37:53 i think it's webtiles that limits to 3, but DGL allows, or allowed in the past, 2 characters 12:38:46 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:38:59 -!- cait_ is now known as cait 12:43:06 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:43:37 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:43:53 <|amethyst> yeah 12:43:58 <|amethyst> still does afaik 12:48:15 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:09 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:37 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:04 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:22 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:30 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0.2/20161019084923]] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:49 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-3-g334f831 (34) 13:10:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:25 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:27:53 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:13 I had to change that on cbro once to make it the same between the two 13:39:06 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:20 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:21 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:52:49 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:58:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:57 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:03:57 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:49 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:16 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:07:21 -!- PElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 14:16:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:17:00 Brannock: i would note that autoexplore is always going to be slower than manual exploration, and leaning toward safety over speed generally makes it more 'optimal' for winning (or less non-optimal) 14:17:09 i'd lean against adding a new option 14:17:33 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 14:18:30 didn't an autoexplore bias option thing literally just get removed, yeah 14:18:45 i don't remember if i figured out what that actually did 14:20:01 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:20:24 was that explore_wall_bias? 14:21:16 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:14 I still think the biggest single improvement to be made to autoexplore at the moment is getting rid of lair plants 14:26:00 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:26:52 (ah, the removal was explore_improved) 14:40:33 is there a list anywhere of all the status effects that player/monsters can suffer? 14:41:48 enum.h?78 14:41:52 er, cat 14:42:48 ah, enchant_type would do it 14:44:57 note that some status effects are attributes 14:44:58 ATTR_ 14:45:03 or props 14:45:10 well, only player status effects are attributes 14:45:16 but some stuff is probably? in props? 14:45:35 depending how you count 'status effect' 14:53:38 just wanted to see if there were any other full-debilitation effects aside from sleep/paralyse/petrify 14:58:55 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 14:59:32 !seen depg 14:59:32 Sorry Brannock, I haven't seen depg. 14:59:34 !seen dpeg 14:59:34 I last saw dpeg at Sun Oct 30 12:40:18 2016 UTC (6h 19m 16s ago) saying 'I see, we have to bend and break them :)' on ##crawl-dev. 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:10 probably makes more sense to look at the functions that say "is the player debilitated"? 15:04:26 what was this about a survey 15:04:41 0.19 is having a survey of crawl players to see how they got into the game, what they like/don't like, etc 15:04:55 the last survey was several years ago and it's good to keep up-to-date on what our playerbase thinks 15:05:28 Brannock: hello! 15:05:36 dpeg, I sent you an email that you may find interesting 15:05:43 writeup of what we discussed last night 15:05:45 I am reading it right now, many thanks :) 15:06:10 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:04 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:10:46 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:16:01 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:19:31 ??c-r-d 15:19:31 c-r-d[1/2]: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss 15:21:34 -!- nikitamog has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:01 any thoughts on whether a change that made autoexplore safer might be welcome (as an option or otherwise)? 15:24:17 not sure whether it's worth tidying up my first attempt or not :-) 15:25:12 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:25:34 -!- THERetroGamerNY has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 15:26:02 I'd be happy to consider it, not sure about other devs 15:26:31 -!- halv has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 15:28:23 Odds: I think we would discuss it. 15:29:43 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:32:07 Odds: perhaps write a mail to c-r-d? 15:32:17 (which I cannot manage right now, by the way) 15:32:28 OK, thanks! Not sure how these things are done. 15:36:33 just write an email to crawl-ref-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net 15:50:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:13 -!- jdeeny has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:04 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:50 apropos of nothing, but how do people feel about cbl? 16:03:09 i was playing with it in my last game for the first time in a while; it felt pretty weak, even with a staff of air 16:03:20 doesn't help that it has such huge anti-synergy with chain lightning 16:06:41 oh, ignore that, i've been informed that it's actually l6, not l7 16:06:47 last i used it it felt pretty strong, the change to make them actively seek stuff was fairly major 16:06:48 oops 16:07:03 it felt weak for an l7 2-school spell 16:07:09 but it's fair for a l6 16:07:20 i was wondering how i ended up with that extra spell slot... 16:07:40 heh 16:13:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:21:49 heh 16:22:22 cbl is amazing if you have relec and don't care about making gong levels of noise 16:22:22 GONNNNG! 16:22:30 and kind of underwhelming otherwise 16:22:31 imo 16:23:12 and also it is much better now that the balls actively try to hit dudes 16:24:25 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:36:40 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:07 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:26 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 16:37:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:42:01 cbl is for killing stuff at edge of los 16:43:50 !lm claymoredamage uniq=the_serpent_of_hell -tv 16:43:51 1. CLAYMOREDAMAGE, XL27 DEHu, T:163005 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 16:43:53 example of how to use it 16:44:11 it's actually overpowered right now 16:44:27 wait, uh, this is not the correct tv 16:45:02 !lm ripoopste uniq=the_serpent_of_hell -tv 16:45:03 1. RIPOOPSTE, XL27 GhAE, T:125877 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 16:45:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:46:58 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:46:58 ok well i can't find it but basically the correct way to use cbl is to cast it when the monster is at the edge of LOS and then walk away 16:47:26 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:52:55 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:54 -!- desolator has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:06 -!- muravey has quit [Client Quit] 16:56:27 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:14 -!- helpme has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:55 -!- wolfish has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:26 Hi, I'm trying to play crawl-tiles on archlinux with qtile wm. Only half of my keys seem to work...enter, esc, the numpad and some others but not the alphabetic ones. reinstalled to no help. text only version works. I've this on my laptop that has the same OS etc. any ideas? 17:06:22 mouse, backspace, and arrow keys work. the nonresponsive keys won't even get me past the "press any key to start" screen 17:06:53 autoexplore tweaks proposed to c-r-d. Also available on a fork at https://github.com/CrawlOdds/crawl if anyone wants to try them out :-) 17:08:13 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:10:44 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:14:29 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-4-gd166d5d: Fix unique hide inscriptions 10(88 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d166d5d69897 17:14:47 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.19] * 0.19-b1-5-gdc9fa9d: Fix unique hide inscriptions 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dc9fa9dd2045 17:17:44 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:46 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:24 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:30:20 -!- Tux[Qyou] is now known as Tuxedo[Qyou] 17:37:13 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 17:41:43 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:15 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:46:23 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:50:06 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 18:09:19 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-4-gd166d5d (34) 18:19:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:31:46 -!- Nino has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:32:25 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:34:19 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:37:16 I don't suppose octopode crushers could ever return 18:37:24 for a Hall of the Octopus King shoals ending 18:38:02 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:38:18 I suppose I should re-ask this now that the chief of removal has arrived 18:38:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:38:43 op crushers are dead 18:38:51 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Client Quit] 18:38:52 forever and ver? 18:38:57 for ever 18:39:04 :( 18:39:09 and you know what else is dead? 18:39:11 acid crabs. 18:39:34 I'm gonna go make my own crawl 18:39:48 or maybe my own roguelike 20-000 leauges themed 18:39:50 wow 18:40:58 anyway I guess that ends the dream of an octopus king shoals ending 18:42:12 ebering: you could have a pan ending maybe 18:42:36 it's certainly possible for someone to make a good octopode unique 18:43:30 helpme: that's pretty strange, half your keys not working 18:44:46 mibe (L26 HaAr) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1569: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Slime:5) 18:45:12 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:29 -!- Dingo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:47:29 sounds to me like sdl2 is not recognizing the keyboard map 18:47:30 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48:35 or "we" are not using it correctly to do so, which is always possible 18:48:59 (local tiles is ... not well understood. it was contributed by someone who knew sdl better than anyone on the crawl dev team) 18:50:29 -!- nikitamog has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:50:30 -!- DrKe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:01 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:53:18 yeah, we don't understand sdl well at all 18:53:48 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04:36 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 19:06:29 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-4-gd166d5d (34) 19:07:01 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:45 * geekosaur wonders if it's time to revisit the idea of turning local tiles into a wrapper around local webtiles 19:09:09 yes, I know windows is a problem there 19:11:09 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:16:10 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:35 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:19:00 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:19:30 -!- isha_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:39 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:19:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:21:50 -!- Bammboo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:11 -!- isha_ is now known as ishanyx 19:29:35 -!- isha has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:34:10 -!- lynn is now known as pumpklynn 19:36:15 -!- Bammboo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:17 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:42 -!- insecticide9 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:40:32 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:40 geekosaur: why would windows be a problem? 19:41:41 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:42:34 thought webserver.py's connection to the game didn't work right in that case? (starting it in a too-unixy way or something) 19:43:58 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:58 oh, perhaps. That should be possible to fix 19:45:11 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:45:35 in any case, I think we'd want to replace the webserver python with something in C++ (or, for the Android version, possibly Java) 19:47:54 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:48:01 -!- toastedzergling has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:48:33 i'd want to get webtiles a little closer to feature parity with local tiles before removing support for the latter 19:48:46 ofc i want to get that feature support regardless :) 19:49:39 maybe. depends on what is actually causing helpme's problem 19:49:59 ? 19:50:13 [30 21:02:26] Hi, I'm trying to play crawl-tiles on archlinux with qtile wm. Only half of my keys seem to work...enter, esc, the numpad and some others but not the alphabetic ones. reinstalled to no help. text only version works. I've this on my laptop that has the same OS etc. any ideas? 19:50:23 is what started the discussion 19:50:36 it sounds to me like there is a problem with sdl2 vs. the active keyboard map 19:51:44 but I don't know sdl2, and there are other possibilities (like, grunt's quick conversion from sdl1 to sdl2 to try to fix android tiles left us using sdl2 incorrectly) 19:52:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:53:25 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:16 nice 19:54:51 seems like it's still not the year of linux on the desktop... 19:57:38 -!- nikitamog has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:06 -!- ishanyx has quit [Quit: Follow the light in the wood...] 19:58:30 <|amethyst> sounds like it is specifically related to 19:58:37 <|amethyst> %git 3bfa7172b 19:58:37 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3299-g3bfa717: Don't double numpad keys in SDL tiles. 10(1 year, 10 months ago, 1 file, 15+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3bfa7172b8a4 20:00:00 -!- isha has quit [Client Quit] 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:12 "This likely screws up some input methods." 20:00:54 PleasingFungus: wow, you went there with the linux on the desktop 20:01:02