00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:42 crimson imp! 00:02:05 I'm trying to figure out a good replacement for mottled dragons in decks.cc 00:02:08 <|amethyst> AKA blink elementals 00:02:11 do crimson imps even fling fire? 00:02:13 @??crimson imp 00:02:13 crimson imp (055) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 10-16 | AC/EV: 3/14 | Dam: 4 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, fly, regen | Res: 06magic(40), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08cleanse++ | XP: 48 | Sp: blink [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: human. 00:02:33 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:02:43 <|amethyst> @??hell hound 00:02:43 hell hound (10h) | Spd: 15 | HD: 5 | HP: 22-33 | AC/EV: 6/13 | Dam: 13 | natural, 05demonic, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(20), 04fire+++, 03poison, 08blind, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08cleanse++ | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 145 | Sp: fire breath (3d10) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:02:50 oh, that's not bad 00:02:59 same hp, burstier but similar damage 00:03:04 slightly tougher 00:03:20 <|amethyst> much faster 00:03:43 !source decks.cc:1756 00:03:44 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/decks.cc#L1756 00:04:02 I'm getting rid of mottled dragons/dracos so I was looking for something suitable to replace them there 00:04:10 -!- Idolo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:04:59 hell hound is tons more damaging than mottled dragon 00:05:17 my initial replacement was efreet then I figured they were too dangerous 00:05:25 @??fire elemental 00:05:25 fire elemental (05E) | Spd: 13 | HD: 6 | HP: 27-39 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 004(pure fire:9-14) | 11non-living, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 12cold | XP: 196 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 00:05:50 I would have gone with this but none of the other sets use elementals and I didn't want to break with the theming 00:05:55 replace them w/ nothing 00:05:57 might not have a real choice though 00:06:29 @??fire bat 00:06:29 fire bat (04b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 5 | HP: 19-27 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 604(fire:5-9) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(10), 04fire+++, 08blind | Vul: 12cold, 12drown | XP: 197 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 00:06:30 <|amethyst> or only remove the draconians and not the dragons 00:06:37 this thing exists fwiw 00:07:02 I considered that but I was doing a partial merge of mottled breath into yellow drac and figured it'd be nice to also turn mottled dragons into acid dragons 00:07:26 dealing with beam.cc is giving me a weekslong headache though 00:07:28 if they don't breathe acid clouds now I'm gonna be muy disappoint 00:07:42 nah, splashing acid 00:07:44 a la sticky splash 00:07:55 ok, well fr acid crabs 00:08:00 we already had these 00:08:11 Brannock: if only rime drakes hadn't happened... 00:08:13 corrosive clouds, as it turns out, damages monsters worse than they do the player 00:08:21 thats dumb 00:08:29 you could give all monsters rCorr but then uhh 00:08:41 <|amethyst> corrosive clouds could be changed 00:08:48 <|amethyst> they pretty much only exist for rod of clouds AFAIK 00:08:50 fr: corrosive clown 00:09:01 killer klown already has that don't tey? 00:09:05 s/tey/they 00:09:08 ??af_klown 00:09:08 af klown[1/1]: Special damage type used by Killer Klowns. Per attack randomly: strong poison, pain, drain speed, fire, cold, elec, antimagic, acid. 00:09:12 yea 00:09:13 huh 00:09:16 FR: klown acid 00:09:25 @??fire vortex 00:09:25 fire vortex (05v) | Spd: 15 | HD: 10 | HP: 24-34 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 004(pure fire:15-24) | 11non-living, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 12cold | XP: 0 | Sz: Large | Int: brainless. 00:09:28 you should give klowns a second hit for af_chaos 00:09:36 <|amethyst> I dropped clown acid once 00:09:46 oh fire vortex's not bad 00:09:56 don't they have a limited lifespan though? or si that just firestorm vortices? 00:10:11 that's just fire storm ones 00:10:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 00:10:30 <|amethyst> I don't think so 00:10:31 they do dissipate as soon as they attack something though 00:10:36 <|amethyst> right, that 00:10:44 might not be suitable for that deck then 00:11:08 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:16 eh, between molten garg and fire dragon, fire set could use a weaker monster I guess 00:11:29 <|amethyst> FR: that is maybe implemented somhow other than case AF_PURE_FIRE: if (attacker->type == MONS_FIRE_VORTEX) 00:11:49 i think fire bat is a better choice than fire vortex 00:12:03 though I'm confused by fire bat existing in the first place 00:12:04 <|amethyst> lesser efreet 00:12:07 fire bat a cute 00:12:39 -!- OrphineM has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:12:51 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:13:53 <|amethyst> @??efreet name:lesser n_adj spells:throw_flame.58.magical 00:13:53 lesser efreet (05R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 31-45 | AC/EV: 10/5 | Dam: 17 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, fly | Res: 06magic(20), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08cleanse++ | XP: 333 | Sp: throw flame (3d7) [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 00:14:45 <|amethyst> I guess that still has the "is a demon" problem, and also "vault renames" coming from C++-side effects is kind of weird 00:14:50 <|amethyst> rip mystery_meats 00:16:06 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:18:01 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1882-gbb73ea0 (34) 00:19:29 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:21:13 -!- sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:21:16 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:18 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:30:55 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:32:51 crap, what was the monster that was removed recently 00:32:53 that or renamed 00:34:47 wasps? 00:34:47 sheep? 00:34:55 wasps! 00:35:01 hornets? 00:35:07 @??hornet 00:35:07 hornet (05y) | Spd: 15 | HD: 6 | HP: 27-39 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 1804(paralyse) | fly | Res: 06magic(30) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 283 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 00:35:14 @??wasp 00:35:15 unknown monster: "wasp" 00:35:23 that's the one, thanks 00:35:29 <|amethyst> BTW, I think hornets should be made yellow, not red 00:35:35 <|amethyst> because berserking bees are a thing 00:35:38 make them greeeeen 00:36:07 I'd be fine with them being yellow 00:36:37 anyone else object? 00:36:51 anyone besides hellmonk, who isn't real 00:36:59 <|amethyst> (it wasn't much of a problem when wasps and hornets are separate, but now there's more range overlap with bee vaults) 00:37:05 <|amethyst> s/are/were/ 00:37:20 yellow glyph, or yellow tile? botH? 00:37:35 the tile can be either, but we mean the glyph 00:37:42 <|amethyst> yeah, glyph 00:37:45 I won't change the tile; ontoclasm could if he wished 00:37:56 <|amethyst> unless the tile looks like a berserk bee or something :) 00:37:57 yeah the gylph to yellow is perfectly fine imo 00:37:59 @??hornet 00:37:59 hornet (05y) | Spd: 15 | HD: 6 | HP: 27-39 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 1804(paralyse) | fly | Res: 06magic(30) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 283 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 00:38:02 @??killer bee 00:38:02 killer bee (07y) | Spd: 20 | HD: 3 | HP: 12-19 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 1008(poison:6-12) | fly | Res: 06magic(10) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 62 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 00:38:12 bees are brown 00:39:08 <|amethyst> FR: monster converts the tile to ascii art 00:43:43 huh 00:44:41 hornet tile is probably fine, I was just confused since hornet tile is red too, like the glyph 00:44:48 ontoclasm: going to change the monster glyph of hornets to be yellow, if that matters for the tile 00:44:55 !source hornet.png 00:44:56 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/animals/hornet.png 00:45:06 making hornet yellow makes them look similar to meliai/qbee/kbee imo 00:45:13 yeah 00:45:14 *too similar 00:45:19 so maybe for the tile it's nice for them to stay red 00:45:22 yeah 00:45:32 for console, yellow and brown looks rather different for most people 00:45:34 glyph to yellow is sensible 00:48:06 what's the syntax to look up a monster from an older version on chei? 00:48:18 since no one appears keen to answer me in ##crawl 00:48:35 %version?monster 00:48:41 rat (07r) | Speed: 10 | HD: 1 | Health: 1-4 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Damage: 3 | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1. 00:48:41 %0.9?rat 00:49:09 ah, thank you 00:50:04 chei is %, gretell is @ 00:50:16 oh misread 00:50:17 my bad 00:50:25 but gretell doesn't have older versions of the monster db 00:51:11 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:54:51 ontoclasm, I was going through monster tiles and there's a bunch of tiles that don't have black rim and others that do, and then we also specify RIM=1 and RIM=0 00:55:06 seems like this is a good area to cleanup, but I wanted to get your thoughts before fiddling around with this 00:56:12 The mysteries of RIM?! Legends say that those who learn RIM magic are destined to go insane... 00:57:54 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:58:06 Brannock: they should all have rims baked into the tile 00:58:30 but i've never felt it necessary to like 00:58:39 systematically fix that 00:58:49 so i just fix it every time i cahnge a tile 00:59:01 deep elves are missing rims, iirc 00:59:05 I'd have to go back and look 00:59:10 yes 00:59:13 probably 00:59:18 quit talking about rimming guys, thats gross 00:59:40 newer DE tiles have rims, older ones don't 00:59:45 and i'm fine with hornets' glyph cahnging colors 01:00:02 yeah gammafunk / amalloy I don't think there's any oppostion to red -> yellow 01:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:07 go ahead and make that change when you feel like it 01:00:32 |amethyst: ^ 01:00:50 Don't worry Brannock, I'd have only considered the opinions of console players anyhow 01:00:59 but it's good to let you tiles people think that you have influence, I guess 01:01:24 hey now 01:01:27 I played console a long time! 01:01:32 pity the second-class citizen Tiles 01:01:40 once a traitor, you can never rejoin us! 01:01:45 my beautiful graphic representations... 01:02:15 and don't try to use games by 'gammafunk' on cwz as an example 01:02:37 that guy just the mysterious hacker known as gammafunk 01:03:51 rims 01:03:53 ? 01:04:02 black pixels serving as a border around tiles 01:04:12 older tiles don't have them, and have to be rimmed by the program 01:04:19 oh 01:04:19 newer tiles have them manually set 01:04:35 i was hoping you were talking about the rims you put on car wheels 01:04:39 !source deep_elf_master_archer.png 01:04:40 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/deep_elf_master_archer.png 01:04:45 because deep elves should have wheels 01:04:48 =D 01:05:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:07:39 Road Elf 01:20:02 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1882-gbb73ea0 (34) 01:21:09 oh, that reminds me, did I tell you about the first and last time dowan tried lsd 01:23:14 -!- harambe has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:24:58 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:25:08 I haven't heard that story 01:25:15 or, well, read 01:28:38 -!- xyblor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:32:33 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:41:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 01:52:01 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:54:39 03gammafunk02 07* 0.19-a0-1883-gc9e4fd8: Change the glyph color of hornets to yellow 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c9e4fd88b5ae 01:57:37 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1882-gbb73ea0 01:58:28 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:59:05 -!- protopulse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:59:31 forgot to credit |amethyst, but hey, we shouldn't give the profs so much credit, they make our lives miserable! 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:13 I should have sent |amethyst a png of a screenshot of the diff on my laptop 02:02:17 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:02:35 inside a word document 02:02:58 ^ 02:07:02 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:09:56 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1883-gc9e4fd8 (34) 02:13:29 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:23:25 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:58 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:25:59 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:29:55 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:34:20 -!- parabolic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:43 -!- mibe_ is now known as mibe 02:37:31 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:32 The build is still failing. 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(www.adiirc.com)] 08:53:16 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:56:55 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04:41 looks like cao's chroot might be full again :/ 09:07:56 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:07:59 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:10 -!- hpm__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:56 -!- Atomic_2yYCn has quit [Client Quit] 09:27:48 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:50 -!- Snikeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:34:13 -!- adelrune_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:27 -!- Yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:36:19 Getting LUA error upon entering a new lvl in early dungeon. 0.19 webtiles 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10733 by Octopode-monk-of-XOM 09:36:23 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:34 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:36:34 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:00 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:15 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:45:02 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:47:12 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:30 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:54:14 -!- Finwe has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:21 -!- espais has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:36 -!- espais has quit [Client Quit] 09:57:15 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:45 -!- orionstein has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07:07 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:18 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:26 -!- Patashu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13:19 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 10:14:19 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:30 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:27:50 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:28:21 -!- Kenran has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:34:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:44:23 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:22 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:03 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 10:49:50 <|amethyst> rax_: chroot is full again, and this time I could only free less than a gig 10:50:58 travis seems to be breaking on gcc builds 10:54:20 <|amethyst> Brannock: I think it's actually a legitimate error, and not even gcc-specific, it's just that there is something different in randomness 10:54:40 something in mon-behv 10:54:42 <|amethyst> gammafunk: probably it's just that eaac499 changed the number of calls to the RNG 10:55:01 <|amethyst> !source _make_derived_undead 10:55:01 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-death.cc#L1515 10:55:16 <|amethyst> that makes an mgen_data with MHITYOU as the foe when creating that monster in Arena mode; which, in Arena, then causes an assertion failure when handling the ME_EVAL behaviour event, because arena monsters aren't supposed to have MHITYOU 10:55:34 <|amethyst> not sure whether it's better to fix it there, or to fix up the foe in mons_place or place_monster or something 10:56:58 -!- gmaximus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:58:24 -!- Laraso has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:28 Antem (L22 DrAE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 205: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Depths:1) 11:04:09 |amethyst: fwiw, mantis #10719 exists for the issue 11:08:19 henryci (L8 HEWz) (D:7) 11:16:27 -!- Kranix has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 11:20:02 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:22:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32:28 -!- Ryblade has quit [Quit: dongs] 11:33:47 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:29 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:37:14 -!- snux has quit [Client Quit] 11:39:04 -!- snux has quit [Client Quit] 11:40:53 -!- lukano is now known as snapek 11:51:32 -!- snux has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:52:42 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:37 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 11:57:14 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:57:24 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:57:30 -!- cait_ is now known as cait 11:59:34 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:54 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:00 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:03:09 -!- adelrune has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:05:55 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:41 -!- adelrune_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:08:04 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:08:20 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:09:32 -!- snux_ has quit [Client Quit] 12:15:01 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:20 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:28:17 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:51 -!- valtern has quit [Client Quit] 12:35:50 Treasure trove demands +5 fire dragon scales 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10734 by Goatboat 12:43:17 -!- Kranix has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:17 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:08:53 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:12 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:09:56 hi, is there a way to define a default value for the | command (displaying view layers)? Basically I'd like to replicate the old ctrl-v command where I can quickly check monster health 13:14:44 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:16:56 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:20:56 -!- eb has quit [Client Quit] 13:24:05 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:23 -!- henryci has quit [Quit: henryci] 13:29:02 -!- timbabwe_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:29:29 -!- Implojin has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:00 -!- Implojin has left ##crawl-dev 13:31:35 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:35:38 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:23 -!- wasd64 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:41:41 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:47:39 <|amethyst> ElanMorin: probably simplest would be a macro 13:48:04 <|amethyst> ElanMorin: or, just do it manually once 13:48:20 |amethyst: that was what I was thinking, but during the session the selection is being remembered 13:48:32 so in a macro it would turn off layers again 13:48:37 <|amethyst> ah 13:48:49 <|amethyst> yeah, it remembers during the session but it currently does not save 13:49:06 <|amethyst> I don't think there's currently a way to do quite what you want 13:49:08 if it would save everything would be fine 13:49:36 It's mostly an annoyance currently since I'm playing in shorter "burst-sessions" 13:54:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55:23 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:58:22 -!- snux has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:13 -!- Thael has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:01:28 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:04:44 -!- Kranix has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:09:37 <|amethyst> I would definitely be in favor of an FR to clean up the interface and/or make it more scriptable 14:10:01 <|amethyst> s/FR/implementable/ 14:10:34 <|amethyst> and/or to save the settings either in the game or in the user's persistent storage 14:15:03 -!- harambe has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:15:52 you know how we increased sticky flame range to 3 last month? 14:15:58 for mottled draco 14:16:19 well it turns out they can't actually fire it that far, thanks to targetter_splash::valid_aim 14:16:28 !source targetter_splash::valid_aim 14:16:29 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/target.cc#L710 14:16:54 !source ability.cc:1835 14:16:55 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ability.cc#L1835 14:17:04 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:17:04 <|amethyst> Brannock: you *can*, just 14:17:12 I'd been confused by this bug for a long time while trying to rework acid spit for yellow draco 14:17:14 and finally figured it out 14:17:29 -!- owl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:38 <|amethyst> wonder why no one noticed that 14:17:42 so I'm about to push a branch up for code review sometime today and that branch will also, incidentally, fix this bug. I just have to figure out a clean way of passing range... 14:17:46 <|amethyst> ! and shift-dir works 14:18:25 <|amethyst> Brannock: IMO it should be a data member and a constructor parameter 14:19:49 <|amethyst> Brannock: so that when you create the targetter in ability.cc you'd do: targetter_splash hitfunc(&you, beam.range); (and move it down one line so it's after you set beam.range) 14:20:13 Yeah, I was thinking along those lines. But since it goes through a few other functions first, will it still pass along the values fine? 14:20:49 <|amethyst> Brannock: yeah, if it's a data member it lasts as long as the targetter does 14:20:58 <|amethyst> assuming nothing else changes it, which it wouldn't 14:22:14 <|amethyst> I could make that fix if you want 14:22:17 <|amethyst> s/fix/change and fix/ 14:22:40 <|amethyst> it should go in trunk anyway, because it's a bugfix for 0.19 even if yellow draconian doesn't make it in this weekend 14:23:32 Lua error entering level 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10735 by jejorda2 14:23:32 Sure, just add 'int ran' to the constructor, then have it check '> ran'? 14:23:40 I don't think I can use 'range' since htere's already a 'range' function 14:23:52 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:24:14 <|amethyst> ? 14:24:48 !source target.cc:743 14:24:49 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/target.cc#L743 14:24:59 Judging from this, which uses 'int ran' and range(ran) 14:24:59 <|amethyst> ah 14:25:05 -!- can-of-bees has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:25:23 <|amethyst> that's not a function, that's a data member... : range(ran) between the prototype and the body is the syntax for initializing a data member 14:25:29 <|amethyst> in a constructor 14:25:42 Oh oops, didn't check location of brackets 14:25:43 <|amethyst> the data member appears in targetter_ 14:25:47 s/brackets/braces 14:25:55 <|amethyst> the data member appears in class targetter_los in target.h 14:26:03 <|amethyst> I'm adding something similar for sticky 14:28:40 <|amethyst> err, for targetter_splash rather 14:29:00 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:30:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35:43 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:38:55 Treeform demonspawn strangeness 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10736 by Midn8 14:42:39 -!- rubinko has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:43:07 -!- rubinko_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:43:16 -!- TAS-2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:24 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:45:31 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1884-gab8686d: Possibly fix statue_of_worship (10735) 10(14 seconds ago, 1 file, 10+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ab8686d7cbcf 14:46:19 -!- Mindiell_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:26 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:12 <|amethys1> hm... the targetter is kind of bad if you fix it to allow range N 14:47:25 <|amethys1> it really should be a beam targetter 14:48:15 I assumed it's that way because of the other special behavior with splashing 14:49:05 <|amethys1> yeah, IMB also needs its own special targetter 14:49:11 <|amethys1> but that one is based on targetter_beam 14:49:44 <|amethys1> not sure I have time for that change, but I'll at least let you target at range, even if it incorrectly predicts the hits 14:50:09 -!- eviltwin_b has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:29 -!- neunon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:43 -!- geekosaur has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:43 -!- xyblor has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:44 -!- flappity has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:44 -!- neunon has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:44 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:44 -!- Elsi has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:44 -!- lvh_ has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:44 -!- Tiktailk has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:44 -!- myfreeweb has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:45 -!- knu has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:45 -!- Mindiell has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:45 -!- |amethyst has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:45 -!- cmcbot has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:46 -!- _fortis has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:46 -!- axujen has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:46 -!- xunplini has quit [*.net *.split] 14:51:47 -!- axujen_ is now known as axujen 14:51:49 -!- eviltwin_b is now known as geekosaur 14:52:03 -!- TAS-2012v is now known as TAS_2012v 14:52:04 -!- |amethys1 is now known as |amethyst 14:52:06 -!- neunon_ is now known as neunon 14:52:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:52:19 -!- flappity_ has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 14:57:10 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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(master - ab8686d #6964 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/167724902 15:30:50 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:31:36 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:35:04 |amethyst: did you have a final thought on where to make that MHITYOU fix? 15:35:38 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:36:13 <|amethyst> I think _make_derived_undead is probably the right place 15:39:29 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:48 <|amethyst> gammafunk: can reproduce almost immediately with ./crawl -arena '10 goblin spells:bind_souls.100.wizard v 10 goblin spells:bind_souls.100.wizard' 15:40:26 yeah, I can reproduce it as well with the original arena command of the test (using the same seed) 15:41:16 -!- Snikeer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:46:30 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-1886-gd64a0f0: Don't crash when monsters Bind Souls in Arena (#10719) 10(29 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d64a0f021853 15:47:20 that's one way to fix it! 15:47:30 <|amethyst> XXX: 15:47:54 Casting Summon Horrible Things on the source, what could go wrong? 15:48:53 <|amethyst> probably it should really be the foe of the creator, but that's not passed in at the moment 15:49:20 <|amethyst> or MHITYOU if the creator is the player, which won't happen in arena 15:54:55 -!- patman has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:58:32 -!- gressup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:09 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1886-gd64a0f0 (34) 16:10:16 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:17:44 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:20 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:20 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:35 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:28:40 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:31:29 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:31:51 -!- THERetroGamerNY has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 16:32:00 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:01 The build was fixed. (master - d64a0f0 #6966 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/167739348 16:32:01 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:38:23 -!- Guest93176 is now known as Svitkona 16:38:26 -!- Svitkona has quit [Changing host] 16:38:26 -!- Svitkona has quit [Changing host] 16:40:20 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:35 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:44 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 16:49:00 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:49:47 so, uh....what's messing with saves on cao stable? 16:52:59 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:53:32 disk space, I believe 16:53:52 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:54:32 weird 16:55:19 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:22 nothing weird about disk space, it's all just 1s and 0s 16:56:53 touche 16:57:03 -!- panicbit2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:08 hasn't cao had space issues recently too? 16:57:11 other than the current time 16:59:43 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:47 yes. problem is, while |am*thyst has some access to cao, the actual admin is someone else who is not often available; beyond a certain point disk space issues must go through them 17:00:01 so is there any feasible way for us to access our robin game on there? 17:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:16 I saw earlier |am*thyst managed to clear a little space and then pinged the admin 17:00:17 isn't/wasn't rax the actual admin? 17:00:41 yes. I try to not ping them myself 17:00:53 oops 17:01:15 i didn't even think about that 17:02:49 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 17:07:30 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:59 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:08:47 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:09:32 -!- kdrnic has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:10:42 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:12:34 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:18:43 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1883-gc9e4fd8 (34) 17:19:06 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:21:26 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:22:24 -!- scotchmint has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:24:02 -!- kdrnic__ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:25:24 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:25:39 -!- cait_ is now known as cait 17:27:18 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:27:44 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:37 -!- kdrnic__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:32:35 -!- Implojin has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:45 -!- Implojin has left ##crawl-dev 17:35:14 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:38:51 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:54 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:50:25 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:59:28 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:25 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:44 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 18:10:59 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1886-gd64a0f0 (34) 18:12:02 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:07 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:19 -!- kdrnic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:39 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:34:56 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:41:59 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:29 ahab (L17 TrDK) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster hell hound zombie failed to pathfind to (40,26) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:59 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:54 what's with all these people back to zotdef now 19:16:54 what's old is new again 19:17:20 what's old is crashing again... 19:18:48 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 19:20:11 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:25 Oh man I'm geeking out really hard here. My friend is at a FF14 con in Vegas and he got Yoshida Akihiko on Skype with me 19:27:33 Completely caught me by surprise 19:27:40 (I'm a big fan) 19:28:57 there are cons for specific final fantasies? 19:29:06 sure, and pros 19:29:07 or is this the new one that's coming out 19:29:17 -!- hellmonk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:29:25 There's a new expansion coming out this summer, and my friend is on honeymoon to Vegas anyway so he stopped in 19:29:28 It's like blizzcon 19:29:37 PleasingFungus: sending this convo to grunt 19:32:33 lol 19:32:46 ff14 is the (second) mmo, gammafunk 19:32:54 there's a community for it 19:32:56 apparently 19:33:00 ff15 is the upcoming one 19:33:08 Yeah, my friend's wife is a player 19:33:20 FF15 looks like a big departure but the series has always been somewhat experimental 19:33:37 not to be confused with ff13-3, which was the fourth game in the ff13 series 19:33:43 I haven't played a FF since 9 19:34:05 as someone who doesn't play final fantasy games, i liked ff13-3 (though i never finished it) 19:34:22 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:36 was fun to jump into something in the middle; a lot more interesting when you have to riddle out the details rather than have everything be told to you 19:34:39 and the setting is kind of weird 19:35:15 did you ride a chocobo? 19:39:48 well, I should finish puzzling out just what the heck priority does in CHANCE 19:42:49 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:44:34 of course you do 19:44:46 the chocobo is critical 19:45:17 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:47:42 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:48:11 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:49:38 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 19:53:32 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:58:13 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:17 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:00:20 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:00:20 -!- cait_ is now known as cait 20:01:11 What version was teleport control removed in? 20:02:24 I ask because the learndb entry for it is deleted with a couple of other entries still linking to it, and I'd like to re-add it or add the details to those entries 20:03:02 %git 05e14b0d35fce91de9300de0e21d7e447a7b9bd2 20:03:02 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-1356-g05e14b0: Remove the Control Teleport spell and the book of Control 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 19 files, 17+ 69-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/05e14b0d35fc 20:03:18 0.17 ^ 20:03:21 cheers 20:03:24 some related commits around there 20:04:15 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:05:09 it seems lik 20:05:10 -!- Shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:05:27 it seems like a lot of interesting tools for challenge runs have been removed in the process of streamlining crawl 20:05:33 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 20:06:24 interesting? 20:06:39 things that encouraged playstyles other than kill-everything melee 20:06:39 yes 20:07:06 oh? 20:07:11 like what? 20:07:42 things like projected noise, swiftness and haste changes, control teleport changes, and more that will come to me later 20:08:19 certain new additions, etc. and a relative lack of change to melee leading to stealth builds falling out of favor for speedruns 20:08:56 (a) judging the game's design by what's in vogue for speedruns seems more than a little silly 20:09:09 (b) projected noise was insanely broken and swiftness was both very strong and very boring 20:09:14 (like, to use) 20:09:34 don't get me wrong. I agree with the changes overall (almost all of them), but I think speedruns are a valuable metric 20:09:44 since they are the things demonstrating the game pushed to its limits 20:09:56 a certain set of limits 20:10:02 they are optimizing around very specific constraints 20:10:03 well we have to design the game so that it is fun to play for those just trying to play and win 20:10:06 they are not, for example, optimizing for winrate 20:10:16 Blade-: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry5URU-Py2Q 20:10:27 and I only comment on them because there hasn't been a corresponding increase in balanced tools allowing clever "exploits" 20:10:42 passage of golubria is kinda the last tool standing 20:10:43 have you played hep 20:11:10 only in the experimental branch a while ago, so I've missed any recent changes 20:11:21 Blade-: Some crazed madman added a new L3 translocation spell recently 20:11:24 so all is not lost 20:11:40 heh 20:11:41 yes, I saw that one and am quite happy about it 20:11:49 you should really try hep again 20:12:27 what specifically should I be looking for? 20:12:37 the 'transference' ability 20:12:38 !hs * hep 20:12:39 7488. Yermak the Ninja (L27 KoAs of Hepliaklqana), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2016-06-09 03:56:15, with 34196478 points after 42933 turns and 8:42:49. 20:12:41 it has quite a lot of uses 20:12:51 classic yermak ninja 20:12:51 there are also fun things people've done with yara's... idk, i don't think there's a shortage of fun tricks 20:13:17 that one does sound interesting. though the big problem right now is that there is little incentive to use a lot of fun tricks over simply hitting dudes 20:13:20 i think our current tricks are a little more likely to interact with the rest of the game, too, unlike projected noise, which allowed you to not interact with the rest of the game 20:13:22 um 20:13:48 you should watch the orbrun tomb that amalloy did lately 20:13:54 I mention it primarily as a spectator, incidentally. I haven't played the game that much recently but I watch a lot of games with an eye for narration 20:14:08 yes, please. where is it? 20:14:38 note that you can't use PoG with the ORB any more 20:14:41 wow, he livestreamed a crash fix 20:14:52 yeah, he's done a few of those I think 20:14:52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaBEJbQDmCc&list=PLKDpSfFMS1VR94MCf23XIayfAGB3oylsR&index=26 20:14:57 yara's is fun but i find it's often not the best ply 20:14:59 play 20:15:16 well, crash investigation 20:15:19 but there are a lot more interesting narrative moments in one of 78291's spriggan runs, for example, than in some recent killdudes runs. but that's largely my personal bias 20:15:28 I tried to livestream a tv of chei's lair end getting its first kill but 20:15:29 I failed 20:15:36 Blade-: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYRsQQe3ROo&t=11m imo the really crazy part starts around here 20:15:44 gammafunk, that's actually one of the recent changes inspiring me to mention any of this stuff 20:16:02 Blade-: I mean, PurpleRed literally just got a new all-time HS in trunk 20:16:05 it seems like a long-lasting and deliberate design decision that's been mostly positive with some casualties 20:16:05 from the descent to tomb:3 onward was... an Experience 20:16:17 yes, I just finished watching that run 20:16:35 that's my inspiration for mentioning any of this 20:16:40 Blade-: you mention stealth as "falling out of favor" but stealth was never the best thing for score runs, it's just people didn't know how to use things like summons and melee to do it 20:17:19 summons got nerfed, so melee became the primary way, but conjurers are still totally viable, and you can get a nice score with a stealth build (<30k), but just not a top score 20:17:27 not every build can get the high score, obviously 20:17:35 *all-time high score 20:17:55 and for things like "win at lowest XL", stealth is still the best! 20:18:02 it's not stealth as much as general "trickiness" that I look for. purplered's run was fascinating because of the insane mana generation and so forth 20:18:25 the new win at lowest XL was 0.17, but you could still get a low XL win like that in trunk, just a level or so higher probably 20:18:31 but it got so powerful so fast that it basically just killed everything really really well 20:18:38 did you see those recent low-xl wins? 20:18:47 yes, those are encouraging 20:18:58 those were done specifically in 0.17 to have =tele 20:19:03 ^ 20:20:28 I mainly think it's important for crawl to maintain a good set of tools encouraging or enabling clever tricks 20:20:47 hep's ability is actually a really cool example that I haven't tried 20:21:02 well, new things like that which infuriate minmay will always keep getting added, don't worry 20:21:21 PleasingFungus did actually please minmay with his latest spell, but we're not going to count that against him *too* much 20:21:32 my god, did i really? how awful 20:21:36 time to remove 20:21:37 which spell is this 20:21:43 ??lesser beckoning 20:21:43 lesser beckoning[1/1]: L3 Translocation spell that attempts to move the target creature towards a spot adjacent to the caster. Starts at range two and maxes at range 7 with 50 spellpower. 20:21:53 !learn e lesser_beckoning[1 s/50/200 20:21:53 lesser beckoning[1/1]: L3 Translocation spell that attempts to move the target creature towards a spot adjacent to the caster. Starts at range two and maxes at range 7 with 200 spellpower. 20:22:02 <3 that spell 20:22:15 !hs * he-- 20:22:16 289360. PurpleRed the Archmage (L27 HECj of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2016-10-06 02:48:34, with 51260048 points after 28314 turns and 12:08:18. 20:22:31 Blade-: you could narrate this one and just keep making comments about how its poop 20:22:33 hm, that's not a heie at all! 20:22:37 !hs * he-- !won 20:22:39 287868. nekonekoinu the Farming Conqueror (L27 HEHu of Zin), slain by a putrid demonspawn (a +0,+0 glaive) (kmap: evilmike_mini_pan_3x3) in Pandemonium on 2014-04-06 11:55:30, with 1881058 points after 255788 turns and 1d+8:28:51. 20:23:00 not even d:1 score any more, bogus crawl scoring.... 20:23:09 what's the significance of that one? 20:23:23 gamma used to have the top unwon he score 20:23:24 !hs gammafunk he-- !won 20:23:25 2065. gammafunk the Demonologist (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna), quit the game on D:1 on 2014-02-22 20:26:26, with 941018 points after 49424 turns and 12:08:34. 20:23:25 Blade-: that PurpleRed doesn't really like elves 20:23:36 they only give you 941018 20:23:39 not even a million 20:23:51 it's the anti-summoning lobby 20:23:54 they're everywhere 20:24:02 chaired by hyperbolic 20:24:05 by the way, will anything ever be done about the silliness of distinguishing between turns and time 20:24:09 maybe! 20:24:12 we remove spell haste 20:24:18 if we remove wand haste, it could happen 20:24:24 well it could happen regardless of that 20:24:46 spell haste was considered more of an issue 20:24:56 Blade-: also, that would nerf chei high scores, do you want that? 20:24:59 yes 20:25:02 dang! 20:25:05 the slow god should not be the speedrun god 20:25:12 ??cheibriados 20:25:13 [1/12]: The Slow God! Gives piety for killing things faster than you, and slows you down as you gain piety. Chei increases your movement delay by 2+piety/20 (capped at 10) and boosts all your stats by piety/10 - 1 (capped at 15). 20:25:25 yeah i felt like i was making things harder on myself 20:25:27 !learn add cheibriados the slow god should not be the speedrun god 20:25:28 [13/13]: the slow god should not be the speedrun god 20:25:30 by speedrunning without chei 20:25:41 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:25:43 in some instances 20:26:04 chei is really great at getting all the weaker species/class high scores, as well 20:26:47 Blade-: apparently i lied, the crazy part only started around when we got back to tomb:1. i apologize for lies. tomb:3 was fun tho 20:27:02 I'm enjoying tomb:3 20:27:06 I'm just mad that the lich 20:27:09 didn't take amalloy out 20:27:12 the lich earned it 20:27:13 lol 20:27:15 yeah he did 20:27:18 or she 20:27:33 orbrun tombs consistently provide the greatest crawl moments 20:28:29 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:28:40 Blade-: the rule is, if you like a video you have to subscribe 20:28:47 oh yeah, lantern of shadows being terrible and then removed is another example of an item that had potential for clever stuff. speaking of tomb 20:29:01 it was secretly op 20:29:06 just no one liked it 20:29:26 ...I liked it 20:29:30 haha 20:29:39 whats not to like 20:29:44 you summon a bunch of shadows that kill everything 20:29:51 it gave marvinpa an incredible tomb:3 once 20:30:20