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(master - 9ebbe8c #6935 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/166150776 01:33:55 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:41:20 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:42:18 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:47:12 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:49:11 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:52:35 Vampire Statue Form does not give rPois 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10725 by papilio 01:59:09 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1849-g2383789 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:37 -!- mibert has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:00:54 -!- Quincunx has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:01:28 -!- qguv has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:04:46 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:06:49 -!- TMTurtle has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:09:29 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:11:49 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:12:29 !oneandwonrace 02:12:31 Races won first try for gammafunk: Basajaun, Draconian 02:12:40 I'm huge, and covered in hair 02:13:49 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:17:09 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:10 The build was fixed. (master - 2383789 #6936 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/166151778 02:17:10 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:22:25 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Client Quit] 02:28:17 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:28:37 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:28:57 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:33:05 -!- mibert has joined ##crawl-dev 02:47:08 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:47:22 -!- keltonhicks has quit [Client Quit] 02:51:05 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:53:11 !oneandwonrace 02:53:13 Races won first try for doy: Grey Elf 02:53:47 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:54:54 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1849-g2383789 02:56:39 oh fun, when Uskayaw paralyzes enemies you can use Yara's on them 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:18 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:03:34 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:03:58 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest69556 03:04:47 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:06:52 -!- PElf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:34 -!- Guest69556 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:10:39 gammafunk: but have you won with wudzu yet? 03:11:00 oh, wudzu isn't my god, so I don't have the same responsibility 03:14:38 !lg prozacelf won experimental s=char,god,file 03:14:38 One game for prozacelf (won experimental): CeWn (Wudzu (cbro/crawl/meta/thorn god/logfile)) 03:14:54 wow, weak 03:14:55 !lg . won experimental s=char,god,file 03:14:56 5 games for gammafunk (won experimental): BaNe (Ashenzari (cbro/crawl/meta/basajaun/logfile)), HaAr (Pakellas (cbro/crawl/meta/evoker-god-rebase/logfile)), KoHu (Nemelex Xobeh (cszo/meta/jump/logfile)), SpEn (Dithmenos (cszo/meta/weightless/logfile)), TrWr (Qazlal (cszo/meta/weightless/logfile)) 03:15:28 3/5 on branches I made 03:15:35 er 03:15:43 4/5 03:18:08 !lg devteamnp won experimental s=name,regexp_replace(file, ".*/\([^/]+\)/logfile", "\1") 03:18:09 23 games for devteamnp (won experimental): 6x Lasty (3x combo god, no backtracking god, evoker-god, thorn god), 5x elliptic (2x squarelos-0.17, 2x gods, evoker-god-rebase), 5x gammafunk (2x weightless, jump, evoker-god-rebase, basajaun), 2x PleasingFungus (chunkless, gods), 2x MarvinPA (2x gods), 2x SGrunt (evoker-god-rebase, no backtracking god), amalloy (combo god) 03:18:34 -!- Idolo has quit [] 03:20:19 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:20:22 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:20:45 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:58 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:28:29 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1849-g2383789 (34) 03:29:37 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:33:17 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:36:18 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:39:24 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:42:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:50:39 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:45 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 03:53:28 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:22 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:59:18 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:40 huh. i thought i did win on the pak experimental branch 04:04:20 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:04:44 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest43757 04:08:40 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:09:33 -!- Guest43757 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:14:59 !lg prozacefl experimental s=char,regexp_replace(file, ".*/\([^/]+\)/logfile", "\1") 04:14:59 No games for prozacefl (experimental). 04:15:05 !lg prozacelf experimental s=char,regexp_replace(file, ".*/\([^/]+\)/logfile", "\1") 04:15:06 140 games for prozacelf (experimental): 43x VpTm (43x combo god), 30x VSWz (30x combo god), 17x CeWn (17x thorn god), 13x FoEn (13x combo god), 9x VSEE (9x combo god), 3x VpSk (3x combo god), 2x OpTm (2x thorn god), 2x FoIE (2x combo god), 2x HOWz (2x combo god), 2x FoVM (2x thorn god), 2x NaAE (2x thorn god), SpWr (combo god), SpEn (thorn god), MfTm (abyssrun), TeEE (abyssrun), VSNe (combo god), ... 04:15:20 wow, 17 games to get a win?! 04:15:37 !lg prozacelf experimental s=regexp_replace(file, ".*/\([^/]+\)/logfile", "\1"),char 04:15:38 140 games for prozacelf (experimental): 106x combo god (43x VpTm, 30x VSWz, 13x FoEn, 9x VSEE, 3x VpSk, 2x FoIE, 2x HOWz, DENe, VSNe, HEEn, SpWr), 28x thorn god (17x CeWn, 2x NaAE, 2x OpTm, 2x FoVM, HaWn, SpEn, FoEE, FeTm, OpEE), 3x abyssrun (MfTm, TeEE, VpWr), plutonians (PlWz), basajaun (BaWz), evoker-god-rebase (KoAr) 04:15:53 28! 04:16:22 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 04:28:18 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:28:41 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:32:47 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:20 -!- sooheon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:45 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 04:35:36 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:36:26 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 04:36:27 -!- dtsundere has joined ##crawl-dev 04:38:27 -!- Steel_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:38:36 -!- dtsundere is now known as dtsund 04:38:40 -!- Steel_ has quit [Client Quit] 04:38:55 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:40 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 04:43:48 Hey :). I'm thinking of how to go about developing a God from scratch without being too acquainted with the codebase. I'm thinking of following Wudzu's commits one by one and replicating that structure, since it has been developed recently. Is that a good plan, or is there a god branch that was developed in a specially idiomatic way that I should follow? 04:52:27 -!- SteelNeuron_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:55:41 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:07:38 SteelNeuron_: it would depend in part on the design of your god, but wudzu would represent the most recent codebase compared to others 05:08:06 Cool, I'll start there then 05:08:25 probably you don't want to stick too formally to the idea of replicating "each commit", but use those commits to get to a starting point with abilities that are placeholders 05:08:35 and e.g. merely print messages as to what they do 05:09:01 then for the actual abilities you'd want to compare to existing ones (from others gods, spells, player abilities) that most resemble what your god does 05:09:42 so I guess you could use wudzu to get a basic structure going, but you really want to look at existing code doing things similar to what you want to do, much of which probably won't be in wudzu 05:10:02 I see 05:10:14 What's the usual workflow for testing these things? I must admit I haven't used wiz mode much 05:10:44 Do you typically just start a game, get into wiz mode, spawn an altar and get going? 05:10:59 well there are several levels of testing, from wizmode to using a debugger 05:11:11 but yes you'll certainly have to test with wizmode 05:11:52 you don't have to spawn an alter, you use &_ and type the name of your god; see &? 05:11:57 to get a list of commands 05:12:27 perfect :) 05:13:11 -!- varmin has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:14:17 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 05:30:07 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:34:47 -!- ac13 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:35:58 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Also, if those were to change during the game (Not sure if there is any mechanic that does so atm) what would need to be updated? 07:30:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:34:56 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:40:20 -!- Zxpr2jk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:43:48 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:32 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:17 -!- tempest_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:03:12 -!- hpm_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05:47 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:05:56 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:06:10 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest628 08:06:56 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:20 -!- Guest628 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:20:04 -!- halv has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 08:23:30 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:35:21 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:40:24 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 08:44:20 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:46:34 -!- duralumin has quit [Client Quit] 08:46:36 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:48:16 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:56:54 hmm, cao games can't start 08:57:11 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57:32 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:05 -!- wasd64 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:29:50 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:35:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:38:15 <|amethyst> chroot is full again 09:38:22 <|amethyst> let me see how much I can free 09:39:48 -!- mo is now known as Guest55141 09:41:15 <|amethyst> okay, I freed up 4.5 G 09:42:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:42:42 <|amethyst> rax_: just freed up a little more space on the CAO chroot, but it only has 4.5 G free now, which won't last for very long, so it's probably time to either expand the chroot or move ttyrecs elsewhere 09:44:25 -!- Guest55141 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:47:07 -!- Kadarus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:48:49 |amethyst: thanks, i'll let ##crawl know 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:53 -!- domi_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:05:22 -!- Nexos is now known as fdel 10:06:34 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:57 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest13976 10:07:25 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:11:16 -!- Guest13976 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:15:36 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18:28 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:33:52 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:10 -!- meatpath has quit [Client Quit] 10:35:33 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:10 -!- meatpath has quit [Client Quit] 10:36:25 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:45 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:55 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:39:03 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:53 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:08 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:52 -!- meatpath has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:46:13 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:23 -!- meatpath has quit [Client Quit] 10:50:00 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:33 -!- neofelis has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:47 -!- neofelis has quit [Client Quit] 11:20:46 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:25:20 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:27:12 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:32:41 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:05 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:36:51 What is 'mitm' and where is it defined? Is it like I suspect a global array of items? Or is it only for monster inventories + floor? 11:37:19 latter, plus shops 11:37:50 !source defines.h:197 11:37:51 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/defines.h#L197 11:38:10 thanks :) 11:38:12 !source env.h:27 11:38:12 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/env.h#L27 11:39:35 So if my god were to need a small list of items that isn't accessible by the player by any means, should I look at the MITM? Or should I just keep a vector of item_def separate from that? 11:39:42 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:07 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:34 latter 11:41:34 gotcha 11:41:46 <|amethyst> mitm (== env.item) is saved and reloaded whenever you change floors, which is why you probably don't want that 11:41:53 well 11:42:28 also, the game makes certain assumptions about items in mitm, reserves the right to delete 'boring' items there to make space for new ones 11:43:32 shop items shouldn't really be in there either :) 11:43:33 <|amethyst> and also you'd have to make up another fake position, like the (-2,-2) for monster inventory or (0,y>=5) for shops 11:43:36 yeah 11:44:22 Cool. I'm slightly confused because I'm looking at the methods at makeitem.h and none of them have the sort of API I'd expect 11:44:45 I would be looking for a method that takes parameters and gives me an item_def in return, but they all seem to directly place the item in the MITM, unless I'm missing something 11:45:09 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:46:19 I guess I can replicate the items() method to do what I want, but it would cause a lot of code duplication. hmm... 11:46:47 you probably want to refactor items(), rather than duplicating it 11:46:51 well 11:46:52 it depends 11:47:00 are you trying to create completely random items? 11:47:16 if you're making specific items, you don't need items() 11:48:24 I will need both, to some extent, but for the sake of simplicity let's assume I want to make a specific item and just get the item_def. I imagine in that case I would just do it manually, right? 11:48:45 create the item_def and modify the fields 11:48:50 <|amethyst> yeah 11:49:01 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:49:06 <|amethyst> newgame_make_item (starting player inventory) does something similar 11:49:20 !source newgame_make_item 11:49:21 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ng-setup.cc#L95 11:49:40 <|amethyst> though there is the question of whether the item needs to actually exist 11:49:45 haha 11:49:48 wow, that item_colour() comment is just wrong 11:49:50 nice 11:50:05 (item_colour() is still important to call, though!) 11:50:20 <|amethyst> how will these non-floor, non-inventory items be used? 11:50:50 -!- parabolic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:47 @amethyst this is for the God proposal currently at the forums, Ieoh Jian. Basically, they're stored in a divine vault that isn't accessible by any normal means, except the God will sometimes manifest those weapons around you (a la Tukima's) 11:52:08 And you'll be able to equip them under some circumstances, but they'll eventually go back to that dimension again 11:52:17 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:52:30 hm, going from wielded to unexisting could create excitement 11:52:45 code excitement 11:54:13 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:14 The build was fixed. 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ZZZzzz…] 12:27:41 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:34:39 -!- mibert has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:34:41 How can I see debug output? 12:37:17 <|amethyst> If you mean things like dprf, make debug and run that version of crawl 12:38:29 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:46:40 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:49:57 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:55:10 -!- domi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:55:17 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:56:45 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:46 The build was broken. (master - 36963dc #37 : fbenarto): https://travis-ci.org/fbenarto/crawl/builds/166232794 12:56:46 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 12:59:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:59:51 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:14 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:11 So, showing-more-numbers is being discussed in tavern again. What do you all think of it? I tend to lean anti-number, on the basis that I think most of the specific numbers aren't that important and thus I don't want to draw attention to them. But I'm wondering if I'm looking at it wrong -- like, maybe it would be good to display numbers just to soothe people who like numbers. 13:06:55 -!- mibert has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:10 my view is 1) numbers should either be inessential, or 2) presented in an easily digestible way (Brogue) 13:08:15 -!- Tux[Qyou] is now known as villager 13:08:30 -!- villager is now known as shaman 13:08:36 -!- shaman is now known as seer 13:08:41 -!- seer is now known as Tux[Qyou] 13:09:01 <|amethyst> IMO make it an option 13:09:17 <|amethyst> non-default 13:09:28 <|amethyst> I think that addresses the major concerns of both sides 13:09:45 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:09:55 making it an option is the worst of both worlds imo 13:10:00 <|amethyst> well 13:10:03 <|amethyst> it's already an option 13:10:11 <|amethyst> you just need to include Gretell.rc 13:10:21 what's that do? 13:10:22 <|amethyst> and use significantly more Lua memory than usual 13:10:29 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:41 <|amethyst> Lasty: it gives you the output of 'monster' 13:11:01 ah 13:11:28 <|amethyst> on all monsters in LOS I think 13:12:23 I firmly believe that the overwhelming majority of the numbers we don't show or indistinctly show are unnecessary to good decision-making within the game, but some people are going to seek out the numbers anyway, using things like Gretell.rc. I wonder if it's worth trying to fight it. 13:12:44 i mean some hypothetical lua rc could display the formulas for every roll that happens in crawl or something, that doesn't mean "display every formula in crawl" would be an actual option 13:13:17 <|amethyst> this isn't a hypothetical Lua rc, it's a real one that does it badly 13:13:32 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:13:46 <|amethyst> maybe option isn't needed 13:14:14 <|amethyst> just a lua function that gives you something like the 'monster' text for a monster type 13:14:17 i meant a hypothetical one that displayed literally every tiny detail, neither that or the real gretell.rc are actual real "options" 13:15:57 anyway my point was just that the decision on what's an actual proper option, what's displayed by default etc is a meaningful one 13:16:30 <|amethyst> I definitely think the numbers shouldn't be displayed by default 13:16:40 I agree with that. I'd hope that what's displayed by default is whatever we think would give the best overall experience. 13:17:15 <|amethyst> I don't care too much whether it's an option or whether there are lua functions to query mon-data 13:17:24 I also think that having the option to display more numbers would cause many or even most vets to tell new players to turn it on. 13:17:49 i guess i also think "more numbers or not?" is a not a useful discussion 13:18:03 <|amethyst> Lasty: and currently they tell new players to look up monster numbers on the wiki or in IRC 13:18:03 specific examples of things to display or not display as numbers might be 13:18:22 <|amethyst> Lasty: so I see it as just making sure the numbers they're looking up anyway are actually correct 13:18:48 -!- Twinge- has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:18:59 and i would tend to agree with Lasty that eg. monster ac is not a helpful thing to display, so we don't need to display it 13:19:06 MarvinPA: the ones specifically under discussion were 1) player damage and 2) monster AC and 3) monster melee damage 13:19:17 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:19:29 <|amethyst> IMO monster melee damage should definitely be displayed in some way 13:19:38 <|amethyst> not necessarily as numbers 13:19:49 now that we display monster hp (which I'm not sure I love) displaying player damage would at least have context 13:20:16 i don't think we should have monster hp as a number and definitely not player damage 13:20:29 <|amethyst> I think displaying damage of individual attacks is an entirely different question, and I don't think it would be a good idea 13:20:30 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:38 <|amethyst> !! ranges are one thing 13:20:41 players can already get player damage as a number for most ranged attacks by hitting themselves 13:20:45 <|amethyst> but they're very broad 13:20:54 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest93030 13:21:03 <|amethyst> minmay: that doesn't give the information I'm concerned about 13:21:14 <|amethyst> minmay: which is how much a particular attack did 13:21:16 anyway i'd agree that monster base damage would be a good thing to display in some form, and a number would probably be pretty much fine there 13:21:33 yes, but currently it is by far the best method available for finding out how much damage your spells do without using spoilers 13:21:34 MarvinPA: are you in favor of reverting monster hp display? 13:21:51 probably 13:22:05 <|amethyst> not displaying it at all? 13:22:10 or maybe elliptic's suggestion of basing it in arbitrary units of ogres 13:22:52 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:08 <|amethyst> I definitely don't want to see the information go away 13:23:09 using units of other monsters is so difficult to interpret usefully that you might as well not display it at all 13:23:14 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:23:27 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1849-g2383789 (34) 13:23:46 -!- cait has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 50.0/20161003155957]] 13:23:48 <|amethyst> Using units of ogres is the same as using units of HP, with a different scale and more course 13:23:53 <|amethyst> s/course/coarse/ 13:24:12 <|amethyst> so I don't see how that's significantly more difficult to interpret usefully than showing the numbers 13:24:53 -!- Guest93030 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:25:10 it's significantly more difficult to interpret usefully because an unspoiled player can see the amount of HP an attack deducts (by getting hit) but they cannot usefully see the amount of ogres an attack deducts 13:25:57 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:26:08 they're "just" two different units, but one of the units is well-defined and the other one is not 13:26:26 if player HP were not shown then using ogres would be the same, yeah 13:27:19 <|amethyst> hm, I guess removing the ability to hit yourself isn't feasible for all spells 13:27:27 <|amethyst> so you'd be able to calibrate based on fireball 13:27:37 <|amethyst> but 13:28:00 <|amethyst> I have a hard time calling someone who attacks themselves to determine how much damage their attacks do "unspoiled" 13:28:18 <|amethyst> or, rather, if showing HP numbers encourages that, it's a good reason *not* to show HP numbers 13:28:41 to me "unspoiled" means you haven't looked up information online or looked at the source code, it doesn't mean "has never tried to learn anything in-game" 13:29:19 attacking yourself to figure out damage is quite common in games that don't show your damage output against enemies 13:29:36 . . . huh. 13:30:04 It's a clever workaround, but it seems really unnecessary in this game at least. 13:30:10 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:11 <|amethyst> also 13:30:11 The build is still failing. (master - a21d50c #38 : fbenarto): https://travis-ci.org/fbenarto/crawl/builds/166238029 13:30:11 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 13:30:19 <|amethyst> in Crawl you'd have to take several samples 13:30:23 -!- tupper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:26 showing monster HP doesn't really encourage it more, since you are already encouraged to do it in order to compare attacks to each other. You could not show player HP at all, but not knowing whether I'm at 1 or 100 hp seems kind of bad 13:30:37 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:30:50 <|amethyst> or make attacks do different damage against players and monsters 13:30:56 yeah, it requires many samples and it's not perfect, but it's better information than nothing 13:31:16 <|amethyst> instead of making spell damage formulas depend on the caster, make them depend on the victim 13:31:27 <|amethyst> re monster-player differences 13:34:12 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:57 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:36:11 is it worth actively trying to stop players from deducing the rules of an open-source game? 13:36:19 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:55 the process of figuring out your damage ingame is tedious, sure, but it confers no advantage since you can just do it outside of the game (unless you consider spoilers to be cheating), and it seems impossible to get rid of it in any case 13:38:00 <|amethyst> I would prefer players spoil themselves with the wiki or IRC bots or source code than do tedious in-game science experiments 13:38:49 so would I! 13:39:49 <|amethyst> and I would rather make the the information available from the game itself in some way... just not shown by default, because that is a turnoff to (some) players who are not interested in theorycraft 13:39:56 players attacking themselves or not seems like not a thing that matters at all 13:41:01 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:43:17 i guess a faster summary of what I'm saying is: as long as players have HP, they're going to think of monsters having HP, not monsters having ogres, so using units of ogres is a layer of unnecessary indirection 13:44:24 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 13:45:00 I'm not entering the debate on whether [number] should be displayed at all because I'm making a minor effort to stay in my lane nowadays 13:46:05 what's your lane? 13:48:03 mostly level design, module music formats and reverse engineering LuaJIT bytecode 13:48:40 also cats 13:48:52 haha 13:48:56 but not felids I assume 13:49:20 i refuse to acknowledge dcss felids as cats 13:51:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:15 -!- Zxpr2jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52:41 <|amethyst> ??sid 13:52:41 stat gain[2/2]: Ce sd/4 | DD si/4 | DE i/4 | Dg choose2/3 | Dr sid/4 | Ds sid/4 | Fe id/5 | Fo si/4 | Gh s/5 | Gr si/4 | Ha d/5 | HE id/3 | HO s/5 | Hu sid/4 | Ko sd/5 | Mf sid/5 | Mi sd/4 | Mu sid/5 | Na sid/4 | Og s/3 | Op sid/5 | Sp id/5 | Te sid/4 | Tr s/3 | Vp id/5 | VS sd/4 13:53:07 <|amethyst> sd/5 seems weird for kobolds now 13:53:34 <|amethyst> imo make Ha sd/5 and kobolds si/5 or id/5 13:54:24 why are there 3 different stat gain rates for non-Dg anyway 13:55:18 do Tr and Og just really need those extra 3 points of str late game 13:57:11 v. important for high elves! 13:59:01 should we show stat gain as a number or in units of high elves 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:07 i propose measuring player anger in units of micromountaindwarves 14:02:56 where one mountaindwarf represents infinite anger? 14:04:28 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:07:09 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:15:31 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:05 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:23:57 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:26:51 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:52 The build is still failing. 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(master - 5c42548 #40 : fbenarto): https://travis-ci.org/fbenarto/crawl/builds/166245578 14:44:09 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:46:37 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:47:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:50:38 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:16 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53:57 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:59:57 -!- mibert has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:29 -!- mibert has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:21 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:10:56 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:20 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 15:24:17 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:28:20 03amalloy02 07* 0.19-a0-1850-g63fd1ff: Make sure vampires in statue form get rPois+++ (papilio) 10(14 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/63fd1ff48935 15:33:40 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 15:43:24 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:47:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:03 rip vp of tso 15:51:17 -!- mibert has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:59:16 -!- tmt has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:03 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 16:09:11 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1850-g63fd1ff (34) 16:16:10 -!- hellmonk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23:51 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:28:37 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:34:25 god, it's going to take a while for me to get used to calling FDA/IDA/PDA/etc. FDS/IDS/PDS/etc. 16:35:29 -!- Alabama has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:37:29 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:30 The build is still failing. 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(www.adiirc.com)] 16:54:13 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:54:35 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:10 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:20 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 17:03:04 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:43 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:06:16 -!- Zxpr2jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:08:41 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:09:41 %git :/ [sS]mart.*[tT]arget 17:09:41 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-1604-g8ae0160: Add an option to disable smart autotargeting of spells 10(10 weeks ago, 4 files, 49+ 28-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8ae016035ed1 17:13:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:22:17 Quick question 17:22:26 Does Gozag still prevent dragon scales from dropping from dragons 17:24:03 I would assume so 17:27:14 are animal hides still a thing or did those get removed too 17:28:11 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:28:47 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:24 those would still exist, they're not available as the result of butchering 17:29:45 ??animal hide 17:29:45 I don't have a page labeled animal_hide in my learndb. 17:29:49 ??berserker 17:29:49 berserker[1/1]: A background that starts out worshipping Trog. Starts with a light weapon, animal skin, and enough piety to use Trog's berserk ability. 17:29:53 ??animal skin 17:29:53 animal skin[1/1]: This item is mechanically identical to a {robe}. 17:35:46 -!- SteelNeuron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:38:39 !lairendkills hotspot 17:38:40 Lair End kills (hotspot): 3x gammafunk_lair_ancient_temple (27.27%), 2x guppyfry_lair_end_dragon (18.18%), grunt_lair_end_beastmaster (9.09%), wormcave (9.09%), minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest (9.09%), hangedman_lair_in_review (9.09%), evilmike_catoblepas_cave (9.09%), cheibrodos_lair_end_hotspot (9.09%) 17:40:04 !shoalsendkills 17:40:05 Shoals End kills (): 940x shoalhut (40.31%), 671x shoals_alternative (28.77%), 485x shoals_iceberg (20.80%), 236x shoals_garden (10.12%) 17:40:24 !shoalsendkills recent 17:40:25 Shoals End kills (recent): 468x shoals_iceberg (40.94%), 264x shoalhut (23.10%), 227x shoals_garden (19.86%), 184x shoals_alternative (16.10%) 17:40:31 wow grunt 17:40:56 !lairendkills hotspot 17:40:57 Lair End kills (hotspot): 3x gammafunk_lair_ancient_temple (27.27%), 2x guppyfry_lair_end_dragon (18.18%), grunt_lair_end_beastmaster (9.09%), wormcave (9.09%), minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest (9.09%), hangedman_lair_in_review (9.09%), evilmike_catoblepas_cave (9.09%), cheibrodos_lair_end_hotspot (9.09%) 17:46:52 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:15 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest9857 17:47:19 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:20 The build was canceled. (master - e97b315 #45 : fbenarto): https://travis-ci.org/fbenarto/crawl/builds/166277524 17:47:20 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 17:48:41 !help !cmd 17:48:42 !cmd: Define custom command: `!cmd ` to define, `!cmd -rm ` to delete, `!cmd ` to query, `!cmd -ls` to list. 17:51:19 -!- Guest9857 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:53:16 ??userdef 17:53:16 userdef[1/1]: https://loom.shalott.org/userdef.html 17:54:40 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:57:47 -!- kdrnic has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:59:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:52 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:14:31 !tell amalloy DeSu had better be a oneandwon 18:14:32 gammafunk: OK, I'll let amalloy know. 18:14:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:15:12 i'll quit it on d1 with the orb 18:15:34 oh, that counts as a victory 18:15:39 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1850-g63fd1ff (34) 18:16:09 !oneandwonrace elliptic 18:16:11 Races won first try for elliptic: Deep Dwarf, Demigod, Djinni, Draconian, Gargoyle, Ghoul, High Elf, Hill Orc, Human, Merfolk, Minotaur, Mountain Dwarf, Mummy, Naga, Spriggan, Troll, Vine Stalker 18:16:14 nice 18:16:42 just need to at 15 new species so I can catch up 18:25:50 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:04 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:03 fr: !oneanddone command 18:28:23 hah 18:28:56 <|amethyst> !lg . s=char ?: N=1 18:28:56 73 games for |amethyst: HuSt, HaCK, CeAs, DrGl, TrAE, SEAr, DjTm, DjPr, SpCK, HuPa, SpDK, DgFi, MDGl, TeAK, SpPr, DgAs, MDIE, VSHu, MDSt, KoGl, MDTm, MDVM, MDWz, MfAE, GrCK, VSCK, MfCK, GrAM, ChFE, ChGl, DDAE, GrAE, DDAM, GhWr, DDAs, HEDK, GhGl, DDCK, DDDK, MiPa, GhEn, GhCK, VSAE, GhAs, FoWr, KoMo, HuCK, FoSk, FoGl, VpSt, KoSt, HaSk, HESt, MuCK, FoCK, FoBe, VpSk, DDWr, MuTm, LOMo, LOVM, VpJr, MuVM... 18:29:11 <|amethyst> !lg . playable s=char ?: N=1 18:29:15 44 games for |amethyst (playable): GhAs, GhWr, VSHu, GhGl, GhEn, GhCK, VSCK, FoWr, DDAE, HuCK, DDAM, DDAs, FoSk, DDCK, HaCK, FoGl, VSAE, FoCK, FoBe, VpSk, DDWr, KoGl, GrCK, VpGl, KoMo, MfAE, HaSk, CeAs, MfCK, MuCK, MuVM, TrAE, TeAK, OgAK, OgCK, DgAs, SpCK, DrGl, DgFi, OgNe, GrAM, OpAr, GrAE, OgTm 18:29:46 what's the lair-like level layout called 18:30:32 lair uses various layouts 18:30:39 but it has a ruination effect it applies 18:31:03 which I think is also available through the des tag 'ruin' 18:31:24 <|amethyst> one of the most classical Lair layouts is no longer a Lair layout 18:31:30 <|amethyst> !source layout_forbidden_donut 18:31:30 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/layout.des#L78 18:32:18 I'm not sure if that des 'ruin' tag is the same as what lair does to its layouts 18:32:32 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 18:32:45 !lg . s=char !won ?: N=1 18:32:46 44 games for gammafunk (!won): FeVM, ChFE, DDEn, DEAM, DjFE, DjFi, DsCK, DsDK, DsNe, DsWz, FeMo, FeSu, FeWr, FeWz, FoGl, FoWr, GhNe, GrDK, GrEn, GrFi, GrWn, HaAM, HaAr, HEEn, HOGl, HuAr, HuBe, HuCj, HuGl, HuSk, HuWn, HuWr, KoAr, KoHu, LOFi, MfEn, MuAs, NaFE, NaIE, NaWz, TeEn, TeSk, TrCK, TrHu 18:33:08 !lg . s=char !won !experimental !boring ?: N=1 18:33:08 27 games for gammafunk (!won !experimental !boring): NaIE, DEFE, DjFE, DsCK, DsDK, DsNe, FeWz, GhNe, GrWn, HOGl, HuFE, HuSk, HuWr, KoAr, KoWr, MfWz, MuAM, MuAs, MuIE, MuVM, NaFE, NaWn, SpEn, SpWr, TeIE, TeSk, TrCK 18:33:31 <|amethyst> gammafunk: it uses the same function anyway 18:33:34 <|amethyst> !source _ruin_vault 18:33:35 ok, good to know 18:33:35 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc#L3985 18:33:51 ??ruin 18:33:51 ruin ~ rain ~ fedhas[3/8]: rain - creates a circle of water around you, the floor becomes shallow water, shallow water becomes deep water, randomly spawns plants and fungus 18:33:58 <|amethyst> different parameters though 18:34:22 <|amethyst> the normal lair ruination is called from 18:34:28 <|amethyst> !source _post_vault_build 18:34:29 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc#L2266 18:36:19 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:36:54 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:52 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:53 The build failed. (master - 799062d #49 : fbenarto): https://travis-ci.org/fbenarto/crawl/builds/166285123 18:37:53 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 18:38:06 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 18:38:24 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:49 ty for that info btw 18:42:01 oh, fbenarto... 18:42:01 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:42:34 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think fbenarto might be a genetic algorithm 18:43:05 hahaha 18:43:10 sad 18:43:56 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 18:49:28 gonna do two things, 1) change the notification sound irssi uses so it's different from the ping sound, and 2) make an irssi ignore for travis fbenarto 18:55:31 The ooze's scales are intact enough to wear. 18:56:24 really weird fetish, but ok 18:56:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:57:21 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:58:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Client Quit] 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:58 <|amethyst> hmm 19:01:39 Xtahua returns to her original shape as she dies. The fire dragon's scales are intact enough to wear. 19:01:43 <|amethyst> amalloy_: does it matter that 63fd1ff4 changes necromutated gargoyles? 19:02:05 <|amethyst> amalloy_: does it protect them from Dispel Undead? 19:04:39 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 19:08:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1851-g3228ea0: Various scale/hide fixes (Lightli, DrKe) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 25+ 22-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3228ea0ab7bc 19:10:26 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:10:58 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:11:08 hrm, don't suppose there's a way to generate a test notice 19:14:01 wait for the rebui;d notice from 3228ea0? 19:14:40 yeah 19:15:22 or wait for the next utterance from travis fbenarto 19:16:43 gammafunk: 19:16:46 !lg lasty 19:16:47 764. Lasty the Annihilator (L27 BaFE of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-10-09 23:16:27, with 1568037 points after 82860 turns and 4:03:01. 19:16:51 naice 19:16:58 truly 19:17:00 bafeling 19:17:05 !glasses 19:17:05 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 19:17:07 these are for you 19:17:09 !send ...nm 19:17:09 Sending to ...nm. 19:17:22 !lg * ba won s=name,char 19:17:23 5 games for * (ba won): casual (BaTm), gammafunk (BaNe), Hellmonk (BaMo), Laraso (BaFE), Lasty (BaFE) 19:17:36 !lg lasty ba 19:17:38 1. Lasty the Annihilator (L27 BaFE of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-10-09 23:16:27, with 1568037 points after 82860 turns and 4:03:01. 19:17:44 gammafunk: check out my amulet 19:17:46 congrats on the fake oneandwon 19:17:49 !log lasty won 19:17:50 168. Lasty, XL27 BaFE, T:82860: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Lasty/morgue-Lasty-20161009-231627.txt 19:17:59 Fake??? 19:18:03 lol 19:18:14 I keep seeing artifact amulets of harm 19:18:21 and I keep not reading what the props are after "Harm" 19:18:24 amulet of harm was all-star here 19:18:25 I really should though! 19:18:27 lol 19:18:28 yeah you should 19:18:37 amulet of harm is fucking nuts 19:18:37 i guess i should play crawl some time 19:18:40 esp w/ Veh 19:18:40 ??harm 19:18:41 amulet of harm[1/1]: Increases damage done by the wearer by 30% and to the wearer by 20%. Applied after AC. It applies to damage from melee, ranged, spells, abilities, evocations, clouds, falling down stairs, etc. Drains you on removal. 19:18:55 !learn add amulet_of_harm amulet of harm is fucking nuts 19:18:56 amulet of harm[2/2]: amulet of harm is fucking nuts 19:19:37 Lasty: you didn't suffer from a horrifying loss of HP? 19:20:01 gammafunk: you don't lose much HP when most monsters spent exactly one turn in LOS 19:20:02 PleasingFungus: just show up in amalloy_'s DeSu game and troll him instead 19:20:12 yeah, but... 19:20:22 you had firestorm 19:20:25 gammafunk: I did one have really bad situation involving two ancient liches, bad decision making, and a small trip to the abyss 19:20:32 ohyeah 19:20:39 i need to win my current game before you guys remove /haste 19:20:56 but I think I would have been fine if it hadn't been for the slow from the death cob and forgetting about firestorm 19:21:01 Lasty: My Ne became an IE and tried to become an EE to get some L9 spell gimmick, but didn't get one 19:21:16 ah, dang 19:21:19 Celerity told me to go Ash, and I listened to him 19:21:23 I mostly forgot to use firestorm that game 19:22:03 well other spells have a hard time either getting that "killed first turn in los or blocked by something" effect 19:22:11 It does help that you have a lot more HP 19:22:17 258 pre good for a mage 19:22:18 gammafunk: yeah, it does 19:22:39 gammafunk: poison arrow and bolt of fire + veh + harm + staff of conj can one-shot most things 19:22:58 or, sometimes two times 19:23:14 the range increase does help, but yeah I had no veh and bolt of cold was my longest-ranged spell that wasn't ood 19:23:17 that and iron shot 19:23:46 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:23:46 I'd have been scared of using harm, but maybe I'll try it on a veh conjurer with firestorm/glaciate some time 19:24:06 Amulet of harm for Ba is kind of like GSC for other ogres 19:24:15 Lasty: 80882 | Zot:5 | HP: 22/249 [ancient lich/bolt of negative energy (44)] 19:24:17 amulet of haram 19:24:27 gammafunk: that was the situation with the liches I mentioned 19:24:37 if you watch it back, you'll see me being very dumb 19:24:38 oh I see, blame the Liches! 19:24:54 a Lich basically killed my BaNe that game as well 19:25:02 I kind of didn't notice its oods 19:25:02 hellmonk: is that a boko haram reference? 19:25:09 gammafunk: haha 19:25:15 !lg gammafunk ba 19:25:16 1. gammafunk the Slayer (L27 BaNe of Ashenzari), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-10-09 05:59:51, with 1397009 points after 113149 turns and 10:30:07. 19:25:25 you did that just for the word 19:25:36 Lasty: elliptic made me play BaNe 19:25:47 bane is a big combo 19:25:53 don't ever ask him for a char to play, he'll just give you a word combo 19:26:30 when you've won over 500 games of crawl, word combos are all you have left... 19:26:53 in the world, I imagine 19:28:23 Lasty: any thoughts on the species? 19:28:33 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:55 what do you get for he crawler who has it all? 19:28:55 in my game the early game did feel different than most mages, namely due to having HP but even worse EV 19:29:06 do they get 2 hp 19:29:07 or 1 19:29:08 Lasty: something about parabolas or ellipses or something 19:29:18 you mean their HP apt? 19:29:20 it's 2 19:29:21 ya 19:29:24 and +1 fighting 19:29:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:29:39 !stats drne 19:29:44 Starting stats for DrNe: Str 10 Int 15 Dex 11. Stat gain: sid/4 19:29:55 It felt a bit different -- kinda like playing Draconian with better apts and hp and even worse defenses 19:30:10 !lm * current trunk drne start x=ev,ac,mhp 19:30:11 No keyword 'start' 19:30:13 yeah Dr is +1 and +1 19:30:18 !lm * current trunk drne begin x=ev,ac,mhp 19:30:19 128. [2016-10-09 05:48:25] [ev=12;ac=4;mhp=14] Bladeofmercy the Grave Robber (L1 DrNe) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 19:30:31 !lm . ba begin x=ev,ac,mhp 19:30:32 the bad defenses are noticeable 19:30:33 1. [2016-10-07 00:29:16] [ev=10;ac=2;mhp=15] gammafunk the Grave Robber (L1 BaNe) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 19:30:42 I got dragon armor pretty early 19:30:47 a ranndom steam DA 19:30:50 I had a rough lair 19:31:09 in part due to ash and in part due to robe + no shield + low ev 19:31:19 kiku would have made that game much easier 19:31:29 yeah, I believe that 19:31:42 lair was pretty easy for me because Fe starting book 19:31:46 can't even use a buckler when that drops 19:31:58 true 19:32:25 book of cat jokes 19:32:51 and they're all jokes about removing cats 19:33:51 Garfield w/o Garfield 19:34:17 gammafunk, will the morgue_url update require a webtiles restart? 19:34:19 necronomicon is basically the Fe starting book 19:34:24 johnstein: yes, I beleive so 19:34:25 I made the change. didn't know how to test it 19:34:37 any change to config.py requires restart 19:35:03 ok. that's what I assumed. did you say this is for webtiles chat? 19:35:22 johnstein: yes, I don't think it...well it might affect console as well 19:35:30 in that console would get the url printed? 19:35:33 I can't recall if that happens 19:35:41 gammafunk: so, in conclusion, I'd be fine with these being in trunk, but I think it's a fairly small difference from Dr 19:35:46 (oddly) 19:35:53 how does it work? is it just for beem? 19:36:04 johnstein: oh, no, has nothing to do with beem 19:36:10 hey johnstein, thanks again for all the branch-hosting help! 19:36:13 (sorry I'm dumb. I have no clue what morgue_url even does) 19:36:19 johnstein: what happens in webtiles is that when player hits #, the dump url is printed in webtiles chat 19:36:30 Lasty, no prob! helps me remember how to sysadmin 19:36:35 johnstein: also I believe the url is printed in messages, so console/webtiles players can use that (without webtiles chat) 19:36:49 gammafunk, ok. I'll reboot webtiles later today 19:36:52 ^players 19:36:53 AlphaAb (L27 @ Abyss:2, T:91163), btp524 (L27 @ Abyss:3, T:55153), tmt (L27 @ Zot:5, T:45909), will825x2 (L27 @ Pan, T:88254), dolemite99 (L25 @ Elf:3, T:65696), Razawaza (L23 @ Slime:4, T:54831), bftschaos (L22 @ Depths:1, T:49022), cephied0 (L20 @ Elf:3, T:42264), titanjones (L18 @ Elf:2, T:60619), Twins00 (L17 @ Spider:2, T:31979), razgard (L16 @ D:13, T:32546), arson (L15 @ D:14, T:26576), gribnar (L15 @ Orc:1, T. 19:36:54 great, thanks 19:37:07 nice 19:37:54 could remove the spaces between the terms in parenthesis 19:37:58 and fit in mor 19:38:00 e 19:38:53 was going to suggest case-insensitive sort by name, but looks like you're sorting by XL 19:38:55 !lg * x=title 19:38:56 6265590. [title=Chopper] Sweetruy1997 the Chopper (L7 HOFi), shot by a centaur (arrow) (kmap: centaur_isle) on D:6 on 2016-10-09 23:38:15, with 680 points after 3413 turns and 0:09:57. 19:39:00 which is not a bad idea either 19:40:01 Lasty: yeah, it would be easier to justify if Og didn't exist, as well. Even if I find some relatively subtle thing to give Ba mutation-wise, it wouldn't terribly change the relationship between them and Dr/Og(/Tr) 19:40:21 gammafunk: yeah 19:40:28 on the other hand, i like them better than ogres 19:40:30 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 19:40:39 I wouldn't mind just replacing ogres with them 19:40:42 merge with ogre 19:40:44 yeah, I could see removing Og as well 19:41:15 I'm not sure about an outright merge, if that means making them have more decent defensive apts...although 19:41:18 !apt og 19:41:19 Og: Fighting: 3!, Short: -4*, Long: -3*, Axes: -3*, Maces: 3!, Polearms: 0, Staves: -1, Slings: -3, Bows: -3, Xbows: -3, Throw: 0, Armour: -2, Dodge: -1, Stealth: -2, Shields: -1, UC: -1, Splcast: 1, Conj: -3*, Hexes: -3, Charms: -3, Summ: -3*, Nec: -3*, Tloc: -3*, Tmut: -3, Fire: -3*, Ice: -3*, Air: -3, Earth: -3*, Poison: -3*, Inv: 1, Evo: -2, Exp: 0, HP: 3!, MP: 0 19:41:46 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:41:58 yeah it's not that different, it's just the weird weapon/ranged apt situation 19:42:27 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:42:42 I'm not sure how people feel about Og, it's a species more experienced players find fun 19:43:15 As a more experienced player, I'd like Og more if it had more interesting apts 19:43:15 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:43:56 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:07 As a more experienced player, I'd like Og more if it had more interesting apts, like Ba does 19:44:27 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 19:44:45 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:44:46 he said, and walked away 19:45:05 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:18 he just laid down an epic insult, but it's going to take me a full day to get it 19:45:46 no doubt 19:45:53 comcast doesn't want you to know the rest 19:47:01 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:04 Let me link you to my 卐卐卐 KKKomKast 卐卐卐 blog 19:47:43 yikes 19:51:21 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:54:03 !lg gammafunk|canofworms|kave s=name 19:54:04 8132 games for gammafunk|canofworms|kave: 4238x Kave, 3894x gammafunk 19:54:14 !lg @gammafunk|@canofworms|@kave s=name 19:54:15 8254 games for * (@gammafunk || @canofworms || @kave): 4238x Kave, 3884x gammafunk, 81x wormsofcant, 51x wormsofcan 19:57:00 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:59 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:00:01 -!- parabolic is now known as elliptic 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:02 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:57 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:09:09 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1851-g3228ea0 (34) 20:10:52 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:10 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:52 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 20:19:57 ez 20:20:07 !lg . 20:20:08 460. pleasingfungus the Gusty (L5 HEAE), slain by an adder on D:2 on 2016-06-28 07:18:41, with 168 points after 1964 turns and 0:05:06. 20:20:20 ez win 20:20:21 nice work 20:20:33 ty. i've always wanted that title 20:21:10 !lg . 20:21:11 461. pleasingfungus the Unforgettable (L27 HEAE of Hepliaklqana), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2016-10-10 00:19:39, with 3240679 points after 69080 turns and 7:03:22. 20:21:15 e / z 20:21:19 !greaterplayer 20:21:24 Unwon backgrounds for PleasingFungus: Summoner 20:24:18 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:30:00 -!- dalwyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:30:49 you have work to do! 20:31:04 !log . won summoner 20:31:05 2. Lightli, XL27 MfSu, T:92491: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Lightli/morgue-Lightli-20160803-043052.txt 20:31:10 !hs . su 20:31:11 23. PleasingFungus the Demonologist (L27 HESu of Sif Muna), blasted by the Serpent of Hell (crystal spear) on Dis:7 (dis_hangedman) on 2014-11-14 01:12:05, with 877218 points after 82945 turns and 12:10:06. 20:31:15 ^ basically a win 20:31:28 it doesn't count if you died 20:31:33 dis SoH was nerfed after that death, so the death doesn't count 20:31:38 fact. 20:32:10 by that logic, my MuSu wouldn't conut because it was back when MuSu was actually easy 20:32:18 (i.e. back before summoning nerfs) 20:32:35 i use whatever logic seems convenient to me 20:33:21 also, Mu unreasons: I couldn't cast summon dragon even after getting summoning to 27 because Mu stats were bad 20:33:30 I had to pump spellcasting a lot to get it going 20:35:29 haha 20:37:33 the only thing that matters as a mage is turns till your first rune 20:37:41 more than 5k you should quit 20:44:37 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:44:38 -!- Laraso_ is now known as Laraso 20:46:14 I like how it's become a part of crawl mythos that duvessa the unique was modeled after me 20:49:08 do people really say that 20:54:58 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:17 -!- meatpath has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:23 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:17 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 21:01:17 -!- Bammboo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:03:08 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04:50 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 21:05:04 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 21:05:17 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:06:15 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:10 PleasingFungus: yes 21:14:34 !cmd ._. .echo ._. 21:14:35 Defined command: ._. => .echo ._. 21:14:38 ._. 21:14:38 ._. 21:14:40 hrm 21:14:43 !cmd -rm ._. 21:14:44 Deleted command: ._. => .echo ._. 21:14:57 minmay: that's really weird, imo 21:15:46 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:44 -!- shummie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:21:05 PleasingFungus: I like it, I'd be duvessa irl if I could 21:21:17 fair enough 21:27:50 I'd have cool hair, cool ears, cool sword skills, and heckin' cool glowing eyes 21:28:06 i'm not sure how helpful those are in today's job environment 21:28:24 -!- tupper has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 21:29:24 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:29:25 -!- devesine has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:29:33 -!- devesine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:29:37 -!- buki has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:29:55 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:29:56 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:30:02 -!- Medar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:30:02 -!- Mindiell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:30:58 -!- chequers has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:31:21 -!- chequers has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:38 -!- Mindiell has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:50 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 21:38:49 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 21:39:47 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:40:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 21:40:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:42:26 your eyes don't even glow in console, would not hire 21:42:49 who needs a job when you have a sword 21:42:49 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:47:11 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:54:37 !tell chequers please update hellcrawl when you get a chance 21:54:38 hellmonk: OK, I'll let chequers know. 21:57:06 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:59:16 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:25 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:08:20 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:59 .echo echochamber 22:21:00 Subcommand $(!learn add :beh: .echo echochamber ::: echochamber ::: continue) failed: Permission db::beh: denied: nick gammafunk not authorized in $(do $(!learn add :beh: .ech... in $(apply do $(concat ${args} ... in $(ignore $(!learn add :beh: ... 22:21:00 echochamber 22:31:12 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:33:37 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:36:46 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:45:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:45:50 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:45:58 ??high elf 22:45:58 high elf[1/3]: if you play HE and dont expect it to be bad it will be strangely bad 22:46:28 part of me wonders whether Ba will be better in terms of "being good at winning" than HE 22:46:48 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:46:53 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:47:12 well it's basically Og which is pretty good at winning 22:48:37 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:02 Og with worse melee apts, less HP, and 1 less AC (although the latter means nothing outside of D:1) 22:51:46 -!- zxc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:33 -!- zxc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:59:00 yes, Ba is to Og as Og is to Tr 22:59:24 except Ba is better at making words than Og, whereas Og is worse at making words than Tr 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:22 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:17 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:04:18 -!- eb has quit [] 23:08:14 -!- hermbot has joined ##crawl-dev 23:10:02 -!- hermbot has quit [Client Quit] 23:13:55 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:15:22 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0/20160916101415]] 23:16:34 -!- lobf has left ##crawl-dev 23:17:00 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 23:27:21 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:28:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:35:56 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:32 !seen dpeg 23:37:32 I last saw dpeg at Sat Oct 8 01:13:47 2016 UTC (2d 2h 23m 44s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Lost terminal'. 23:37:40 !seen rast 23:37:40 I last saw Rast at Mon Oct 10 03:37:31 2016 UTC (9s ago) saying '!seen dpeg' on ##crawl-dev. 23:38:13 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:38:49 either im lagged or the bot is 23:41:56 !ping 23:41:56 pong 23:42:16 times match up here fwiw 23:42:31 !tell dpeg so is it a problem that gozag join price, as updated on the ^O screen, is an info leak? 23:42:31 Rast: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 23:42:35 yeah its probably my irc client 23:43:05 !tell dpeg you can use it to determine how much gold is on each floor 23:43:06 Rast: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 23:46:10 hellmonk: updating 23:46:10 chequers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:46:18 actually can you wait a sec 23:46:24 if you havent started already 23:46:30 ok 23:47:10 turns out that _post_vault_build adds ridiculous clumps of plants to D:15 if it gets ruined 23:47:28 so I need to fix that 23:51:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:53:58 on the plus side, lair-like level layouts in dungeon 23:54:00 hooray 23:56:57 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]