00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:12 psych shrikes 00:00:18 shrike shrikes 00:00:22 they look like shard shrikes but after a couple turns in los they poof out of existence like mimics 00:00:24 they imaple you on fellow shrikes 00:00:42 <|amethyst> is that the canadian smart phone? 00:00:51 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1827-g174f941 (34) 00:01:19 shake shrikes, they have shatter and ignore the use_animations option 00:01:22 bike shrikes 00:01:38 <|amethyst> now you're just shrikeshedding 00:01:42 like shrikes. they enslave all your summons and then enslave you also. 00:02:12 <|amethyst> nicolae-: or they steal your shield 00:02:44 shrike shredding is what axes do 00:03:07 |amethyst: nice 00:05:27 <|amethyst> nicolae-: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c2/29/fd/c229fd416ce55ec3c5f125fede71afc7.jpg 00:05:35 smart shrikes 00:05:36 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:46 they have 72 int and int drain you 00:05:59 what 00:06:01 |amethyst: damn 00:06:02 did somebody want a shrike on a shirt 00:06:02 <|amethyst> glowing orange shrike 00:06:08 orb of shrike 00:06:15 shrike lord 00:06:19 shrikenado 00:06:39 shrikeraja 00:06:47 the entire dungeon is a shrike 00:06:55 shrike god 00:07:03 <|amethyst> sadly, whoever adds the next kind of shrike will be removed from the devteam 00:07:16 its ok, i will ad the next shrike 00:07:18 to hellcrawl 00:07:20 do we only have two? 00:07:22 caustic and shard 00:07:26 irl shrike that when you encounter one in the game it sends a message to a central server that dispatches a predator drone to your house 00:07:33 <|amethyst> Brannock: yes, and of course... 00:07:44 <|amethyst> three shrikes and you're out 00:07:54 -!- vermi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:07:54 lol 00:08:08 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:14 what if you hit a homerun in between 00:08:15 speak of 00:08:25 then the next batter would be up and you'd reset the shrike count 00:08:33 foul shrike 00:08:40 <|amethyst> hm, will have to translate that for the Commonwealth players 00:08:51 <|amethyst> but I'll be damned if cricket makes one bit of sense to me 00:09:09 say something about wickets 00:09:29 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 00:09:58 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1827-g174f941 (34) 00:15:42 -!- hpm_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:17:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:18:34 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:20:28 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:21:00 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:21:06 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:24:15 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:55 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:56 -!- airwolf has quit [Client Quit] 00:28:19 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:31:02 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 00:32:53 FR: wicket witch of the south 00:40:01 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:40:08 Brannock: howler monkeys are Loud Hounds 00:40:08 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 00:40:17 loud or not, hounds probably shouldn't be in lair 00:40:22 see also: torpor snails in depths 00:40:37 hm 00:40:43 yeah I cam eto that conclusion after inspecting their stats 00:40:44 too bad, imo 00:40:47 !tell pleasingfungus test 00:40:47 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:40:49 because sound attraction was a cool idea 00:41:22 not sure that's a... SOUND idea ha ha ha 00:41:29 soultion: remove howler monkeys and make wyverns super shout every time they attack 00:41:34 <|amethyst> what about raiju? 00:41:50 <|amethyst> do they make lightning bolt levels of noise? 00:41:55 I was actually looking for monsters for regular Lair generation, but I had the idea of raiju for OOD Lair 00:41:58 ended up nixing it though 00:42:07 too magical, I think....... but that's a fuzzy decision 00:42:09 raiju already show up in a lair ending 00:42:27 <|amethyst> oh, no 00:42:39 <|amethyst> blinkbolt doesn't have the effect noise of lightning bolt anyway 00:42:54 FR: it should 00:42:58 <|amethyst> FR: fireball spores 00:43:21 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Client Quit] 00:43:22 <|amethyst> (or just add free-living ball lightnings to Lair) 00:43:42 r-i has been requesting more exploding monsters 00:43:50 That'd certainly incentivize blink/swiftness 00:44:13 specifically in the form of flaming corpses, because no crawl monster name may ever perish 00:44:26 man, what was the name of these exploding suiciders from Diablo 2? 00:44:31 The ones in Baal's final lair 00:45:16 bring back subtractor snakes 00:45:20 <|amethyst> I don't know, but FR "kobold sapper" 00:45:24 or i will be forced to take drastic measures 00:45:30 +1 for subtractors 00:46:06 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:46:12 give them 20 speed and a mr/2 hit followed by hits for chaos/chaos/strong poison 00:46:25 Brannock: http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/monsters/act5-suicideminion.shtml 00:46:32 suicide minion 00:46:34 very on the nose 00:46:46 they aren't referred to as that in-game, as far as i can tell 00:46:48 but... 00:47:07 It's somewhat easy to fool these Suicide Minions by running around in circles until they blow up (like a Jet running from a heat seeking missile), or by "training" or leading the monster to another target such as your Hireling or another player in your party (*wink*) 00:47:17 good tech 00:49:27 I'm not convinced this person knows how jets or heat-seeking missiles work 00:50:52 !blame magic 00:50:53 I pronounce magic... Guilty! 00:50:55 2001 was a different time. 00:50:58 PleasingFungus, I know it's late but do you feel up on giving a brief lecture? 00:51:04 uh 00:51:06 !source band_membership 00:51:06 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc#L2402 00:51:07 maybe if it's very brief 00:51:15 haha 00:51:17 Can you explain how to follow the threads here to figure out what the stuff here means 00:51:26 assuming I'm going directly to that function without knowing what it does 00:51:40 it's a list of lists of lists of weighted pairs 00:51:41 amethyst ended up helping me figure it out 00:51:41 easy 00:51:54 er, that's the wrong function 00:51:54 hang on 00:51:59 hm...? 00:52:05 !source bands_by_leader 00:52:05 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc#L2101 00:52:11 I ended up stuck on figuring out what the first number here meant 00:52:17 oh 00:52:20 for stuff like orc, big kobold, very ugly thing 00:52:28 okay, so first what you do is you look for the definitions of the types 00:52:38 static const map 00:52:53 "i guess { {2}, {{ BAND_ORCS, {2, 5} }}} is a band_set. where's that defined?" 00:53:07 !source mon-place.cc:2067 00:53:08 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc#L2067 00:53:33 "so {2} is a band_conditions. what's that?" 00:53:41 !source mon-place.cc:2042 00:53:41 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc#L2042 00:53:50 int chance_denom; ///< A 1/x chance for the band to appear. 00:54:00 Okay, thanks for explaining the steps. I got lost in the abstractions 00:54:16 The second thing I got stuck on 00:54:22 !source mon-place.cc:2174 00:54:23 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc#L2174 00:54:32 why is it '0, 0, []()'? 00:55:00 do you want an explanation or a guide to how to figure it out? 00:55:07 the guide will help me long-term 00:55:11 ok. 00:55:17 <|amethyst> do you know C++11 lambdas? 00:55:19 I do not 00:55:27 I'm basically learning C++ by the seat of my pants here 00:55:33 that's the only way to learn it 00:55:40 trying to learn the entire thing top-down is... 00:55:48 <|amethyst> Sit down and read this entire site: http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language 00:55:50 if not impossible, at least highly inadvisable 00:55:52 nooo 00:55:52 <|amethyst> come back in 15 years 00:56:01 it's a trick!!! 00:56:31 <|amethyst> it is a very good reference though, once you know enough C++ to read it 00:56:37 ya 00:56:39 bookmarked 00:57:10 let me take a guess here, though 00:57:16 0, 0, defines the base behavior 00:57:17 ok so. each of those maps to an element of band_conditions. chance_denom is 0, which isn't documented but means the band always appears (lol). min_depth is 0, which means the band can appear after absdepth 0 00:57:22 []() defines the behavior if it meets a condition 00:57:35 <|amethyst> "The lambda expression is a prvalue expression whose value is an unnamed temporary object of unique unnamed non-union non-aggregate class type, known as closure type, which is declared (for the purposes of ADL) in the smallest block scope, class scope, or namespace scope that contains the lambda expression." 00:57:40 you're going too weird and abstract.... 00:57:55 <|amethyst> the []() { .... } is all one thing 00:57:57 yes 00:57:59 the []() { } is an anonymous function 00:58:04 the best way to understand that is 00:58:55 static bool should_cylopes_have_bands() { return player_in_branch(BRANCH_SHOALS); } ... { MONS_CYCLOPS, { { 0, 0, should_cyclopes_have_bands } ... 00:59:07 is equivalent 00:59:08 Right 00:59:10 all I know about lambdas is that they are anonymous functions and that they are pretty awesome and sweet and very mathy 00:59:15 haha 00:59:25 so for example 00:59:30 { MONS_ALLIGATOR, { { 5, 0, []() { 00:59:30 return !player_in_branch(BRANCH_LAIR); }}, 00:59:30 {{ BAND_ALLIGATOR, {1, 2}, true }}}}, 00:59:34 but I don't really know how to use them For Great Good 00:59:40 the 5 here means it rolls a 1 chance in 5 to try to test that lambda? 00:59:46 otherwise it just ignores it? 00:59:47 probably 00:59:50 i'd have to double check the code 00:59:56 the documentation could be better 00:59:58 but i think so 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:08 here's how i'm going to double check: 01:00:09 1learn crawl "the documentation could be better" 01:00:23 <|amethyst> see 01:00:23 i'm gonna ctrl-f "chance_denom" 01:00:28 <|amethyst> !source band_conditions::met 01:00:28 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc#L2048 01:00:31 and yep 01:00:33 there it is 01:00:56 so we only check the custom condition if we rolled that 1/5 chance 01:01:13 okay, good, glad I understand it 01:01:15 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I suppose if I suggested changing met() into operator ()() or operator bool() you'd probably be sad... 01:01:19 lol 01:01:20 I haven't encountered lists of weighted pairs yet so this was a big hurdle to jump 01:01:24 thank you two for the explanation 01:01:38 acquire.cc has some cleaner lists, maybe 01:01:44 or maybe they're messier 01:01:46 !source acquire.cc 01:01:47 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/acquire.cc 01:02:22 |amethyst: feels a little harder to understand, if you don't already know the code 01:02:48 you can search for met(), but searching for operator redefines isn't as obvious 01:03:02 <|amethyst> yeah 01:03:07 Would function documentation help clarify that? 01:03:10 <|amethyst> and it reads better anyway 01:03:27 <|amethyst> if (bands && bands->conditions.met()) 01:03:40 <|amethyst> "if there are bands and the band conditions are met" 01:03:46 heh 01:03:58 as opposed to "there are bands and they have conditions..." 01:04:57 Brannock: acquire.cc:753 is an ok weighted list 01:05:08 solid 01:05:29 yeah that one's easier to understand at a glance 01:05:51 {{} {easier} {{to, understand} {at}} {a glance}} 01:06:16 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:54 ironically, i no longer understand that sentence 01:08:15 <|amethyst> yeah, should be parsed as {easier {to {understand {at {a {glance}}}}}} 01:08:32 but I'm glad I took the time to learn mon-place.cc today and broke the ground for proper OOD tables for Lair 01:09:44 oh, now you'll have to explain mon-place.cc to me 01:09:54 pop quizzes are unfair, professor! 01:10:13 :P 01:10:24 i'm not the prof in this channel... 01:10:25 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0/20160916101415]] 01:10:39 Oh, we have an actual professor? 01:10:40 who? 01:10:44 <|amethyst> a couple 01:12:31 <|amethyst> dpeg is privatdozent at least 01:12:45 ah, I gathered dpeg was in academia but not what position 01:12:50 <|amethyst> and I'm an assistant professor (i.e. haven't made tenure yet) 01:12:55 hey, that's awesome 01:12:59 No wonder I'm learning so much here 01:17:59 koboldina: I don't suppose you can get an even fancier press that allows the SoH shirt to be animated with all the different hell versions 01:18:15 based on the angle of view, it changes... 01:18:23 FR: Serpent of Hell shirt but the Serpent is offset and placed above the right hip so it's extra trendy 01:18:54 SoH in a coffee shop working at his laptop 01:19:06 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1827-g174f941 (34) 01:25:56 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:31:06 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:37:52 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:41:12 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:47:02 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:51:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:53:42 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:55:28 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:57:58 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1827-g174f941 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13:43 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:16:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:16:12 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&p=294289#p294289 this owns 02:17:21 You headbut you, but do no damage 02:18:30 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:31 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:21:30 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:22:16 gammafunk: angel invest me 10000 dollars and I will figure out a way to make that shirt work 02:23:43 fr howler monkeys get a SONIC BOOM attack that does irresistable damage in a bolt line 02:27:52 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:29:16 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 02:29:36 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:46 auto_butcher should only activate on autoexplore, not when walking on a tile with a corpse 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10721 by tijit 02:37:09 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:42 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:41:54 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:50:49 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:51:23 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:52:43 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1827-g174f941 02:53:31 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06:29 -!- Blazinghbnd_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:47 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:18 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:08:19 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:08:32 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 03:12:35 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1827-g174f941 (34) 03:14:23 -!- Prozacelf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:18:50 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:19:52 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:20:30 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:39:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 03:39:42 -!- flappity_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:45:56 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:48:27 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 03:50:13 -!- wasd64 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:51:32 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:41 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:15:10 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:17:35 -!- Prozacelf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 04:19:35 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:20:29 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 04:27:01 -!- n1k is now known as n1 04:38:43 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 04:40:29 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 04:41:08 -!- mibert has joined ##crawl-dev 04:50:29 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:50:54 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest56509 04:53:39 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:54:52 -!- M-bbigras has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54:56 -!- acalycine has quit [Client Quit] 04:55:07 -!- Guest56509 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:08:06 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:26:23 -!- Bammboo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:35:08 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:42:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:44:19 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:59:04 procedural grid: https://youtu.be/DOQTr2Xmlz0 05:59:17 put some vaults into that thing! 05:59:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:59:54 s/grid/grid-based generation/ 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03:47 actually, this is easier to read: https://github.com/mxgmn/WaveFunctionCollapse 06:15:55 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:11 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:25:14 -!- hpm__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:37:37 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:39:55 -!- Blazinghbnd_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:42:08 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:53:46 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:57:07 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:13:19 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:37:18 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 07:44:40 -!- removeelyvilon has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:07 Which book contains lesser beckoning AKA vice grip? 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My guess is that they can try but that it won't work. I hadn't considered that. 15:13:57 -!- amalloy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:58 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:16:47 I tested it a minute ago 15:16:52 they can do it but then stasis keeps them stable 15:17:57 which sounds, to me, like the way it should work probably (or they just shouldn't have the desperate haste ability at all, so it's not a newbie trap) 15:18:56 -!- elliptic has quit [*.net *.split] 15:18:56 -!- Lasty has quit [*.net *.split] 15:18:56 -!- Zeor has quit [*.net *.split] 15:18:56 -!- neunon has quit [*.net *.split] 15:18:57 -!- Lohengramm has quit [*.net *.split] 15:18:58 -!- Bammboo00 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:18:59 -!- Azzkikr has quit [*.net *.split] 15:18:59 -!- MakMorn has quit [*.net *.split] 15:18:59 -!- NeremWorld has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:01 -!- kazimuth has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:02 -!- n1 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:03 -!- Zannick has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:05 -!- voker57 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:08 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:11 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:15 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 15:19:19 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:21 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:22 -!- n1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:38 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:32 koboldina: yeah, I think they probably just shouldn't have it 15:22:39 thanks for pointing it out! 15:23:41 -!- Lohengramm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:37 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1828-ga614c4e: Don't autobutcher unless exploring (#10721) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a614c4e6184c 15:43:19 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:19 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 15:43:20 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 15:43:59 -!- |amethyst has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 15:44:03 -!- jonadab has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 15:44:04 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:44:07 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:40 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:40 -!- Blazinghand has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:41 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:41 -!- SurpriseTRex__ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:41 -!- pythonsnake has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:41 -!- wheals has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:41 -!- twzt has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:42 -!- xnavy has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:43 -!- AltReality has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:43 -!- sage1234 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:43 -!- rubinko has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:43 -!- Jafet has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:43 -!- gammafunk has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:43 -!- panicbit2 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:43 -!- jdeeny has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:44 -!- anticore has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:44 -!- Writ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:44 -!- jbenedetto has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:44 -!- infrashortfoo_ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:44 -!- Eronarn__ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:45 -!- isha has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:46 -!- devesine has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:46 -!- surr has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:46 -!- Henzell has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:46 -!- taylskid has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:46 -!- greensnark has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:47 -!- djinni has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:47 -!- shmup has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:47 -!- kramin has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:47 -!- Eksell has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:48 -!- tw_ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:48 -!- phyphor has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:48 -!- escu has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:48 -!- doy has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:48 -!- woodjrx has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:49 -!- rax has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:49 -!- Jorgrell has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:49 -!- endou_ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:47:55 -!- shmup_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:56 -!- rax_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:56 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:57 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:11 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:11 -!- Writ has quit [Changing host] 15:48:11 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:11 -!- phyphor has quit [Changing host] 15:48:14 -!- devesine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:15 -!- jdeeny has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:17 -!- isha has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:25 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:34 -!- Eksell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:46 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:49 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:49 -!- Jorgrell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:50 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:46 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:50:18 does anyone have opinions on the idea of having orbrun teleport restrictions apply throughout all of zot, as was suggested/discussed a few days back? 15:50:20 -!- Lohengramm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:20 -!- yaknyasn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:01 i'm sort of in two minds since it feels like bringing back -ctele, but the orbrun itself does already have that and i like the reasoning that it'd be able to communicate to the restrictions a lot better if they apply before you pick up the orb 15:51:45 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:52:27 -!- Implojin has left ##crawl-dev 15:56:25 -!- Rotatell has quit [*.net *.split] 15:56:25 -!- drazool has quit [*.net *.split] 15:56:26 -!- Kintak has quit [*.net *.split] 15:56:33 -!- varmin has quit [*.net *.split] 15:56:34 -!- zeroDivisible has quit [*.net *.split] 15:56:35 -!- myp has quit [*.net *.split] 15:56:37 -!- Goncyn_ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:56:38 -!- thrig has quit [*.net *.split] 15:56:39 -!- dustinm` has quit [*.net *.split] 15:56:40 -!- johnstein has quit [*.net *.split] 15:56:41 -!- vible has quit [*.net *.split] 15:56:41 -!- demok has quit [*.net *.split] 15:56:41 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [*.net *.split] 15:56:44 <|amethyst> !tell Implojin I'm not working on it, so carry on. The rest is a buff to shields, so I'm not sure if it's bad. If you're concerned, you could still check && !shield_blocked since that's already computed 15:56:44 |amethyst: OK, I'll let implojin know. 15:56:45 -!- demok has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:48 -!- thrig has quit [Changing host] 15:56:52 -!- vible has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:55 -!- johnsteinVPS is now known as johnstein 15:56:59 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:04 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:04 <|amethyst> !tell Implojin in the if (... && !is_reposte) that's already there I mean 15:57:05 |amethyst: OK, I'll let implojin know. 15:57:33 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:03 <|amethyst> !tell Implojin I guess it's a buff only for some characters, but the spines thing is a nerf for everyone in some contexts, so maybe that would be a good idea 15:58:03 |amethyst: OK, I'll let implojin know. 15:58:32 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:39 <|amethyst> !tell Implojin hmm... but I guess that's weird because you could still dodge spines, but only if you would have blocked them anyway.... 15:58:39 |amethyst: OK, I'll let implojin know. 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:44 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:03:36 -!- Lohengramm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:43 MarvinPA, how would this be communicated to the player? A message upon entering Zot? 16:07:54 yeah 16:08:05 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:08:07 -!- Menche has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:08 MarvinPA, but I like the idea. The Orb is spreading its instability throughout Zot, and once you pick it up, you carry its aura with you back up through the rest of the Dungeon 16:08:11 -!- kurufu has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:11 -!- Doesnty has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:11 -!- bencryption has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:11 -!- sneakyness has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:11 -!- fiyawerx has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:11 -!- ChongLi has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:11 -!- broquaint has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:11 -!- Calamarain has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:11 -!- jazmu has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:12 -!- ebering has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:12 -!- mrm has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:12 -!- hyperbolic has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:12 -!- johnny0 has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:12 -!- bh has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:12 -!- Adeon has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:12 -!- Pinkbeast has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:13 -!- myfreeweb_ has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:13 -!- zkyp has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:13 -!- Medar has 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bring this up) 16:08:32 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:45 -!- Doesnty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:45 -!- socks_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:48 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:51 -!- bh is now known as Guest62369 16:09:05 -!- Warrigal has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:13 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1828-ga614c4e (34) 16:09:19 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:18 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 16:10:26 -!- hpm_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:47 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:15:24 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:15:46 -!- Eronarn__ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:18 -!- kurufu has quit [Changing host] 16:19:20 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:23 * geekosaur wondering what security hole is about to break 16:21:17 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:21:17 -!- FIQ has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 16:21:25 -!- FIQ has joined ##crawl-dev 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an irc server issue and not, say, kernel 16:52:07 * geekosaur did do a quick check of the cve db and if it is a security thing then whatever it is isn't yet public 16:55:03 Resolve dodging before blocking. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10722 by Implojin 16:55:11 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:31 @??lava snake 16:55:40 lava snake (04S) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 12-19 | AC/EV: 2/17 | Dam: 704(fire:3-5) | Res: 06magic(10), 04fire+++ | Vul: 12cold | XP: 47 | Sp: spit lava (3d10) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: small | Int: animal. 16:55:40 %??lava snake 16:59:58 -!- oberste1n has quit [Quit: uhhh] 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:52 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:02:51 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:40 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:44 does anyone use vim's breakindent? I can't seem to get it to behave reasonably 17:09:04 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:13:15 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:13:46 man, the way vim prints a option's state as enabled by printing the option name is pretty confusing 17:13:53 :set? breakindent simply prints 'breakindent' 17:21:22 they changed so many other things but kept that part of vi. dumb. 17:22:57 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 17:23:26 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:02 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:26:45 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:33:35 03gammafunk02 07* 0.19-a0-1829-g8a8ed2c: A new fiery Lair end vault from Cheibrodos 10(8 days ago, 1 file, 57+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8a8ed2c287c0 17:34:22 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:32 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:37:35 that's a cool vault 17:40:34 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:43 hey guys, how do you search the logs of this channel? I'm looking for past discussion on haste removal 17:41:51 -!- yaknyasn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:42:13 they're scattered over many months/years but http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ 17:42:16 -!- Bammboo00 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:30 thanks 17:42:56 -!- Twinge- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:34 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:44:15 hopefully coming soon, a compilation of every ##crawl-dev message ever about 'haste' 17:44:19 some recent discussion also partially happened on the c-r-d mailing list, that's part of what ended up finally prompting the change: https://sourceforge.net/p/crawl-ref/mailman/crawl-ref-discuss/ 17:45:16 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:45:35 nice, the mailing list has more organized argmuents 17:46:11 -!- Lohengramm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:50:09 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:17 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1830-g05e0fc3: Make Berserk cost hunger on activation instead of on expiry 10(9 days ago, 6 files, 14+ 26-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/05e0fc37776a 17:58:17 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1831-gd4c818f: Apply orbrun teleport restrictions throughout Zot 10(6 days ago, 6 files, 25+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d4c818fc2914 17:58:22 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:32 #include orb.h 17:59:38 such is its power 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:02 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:04 -!- Lohengramm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:16 !seen MarvinPA 18:03:16 I last saw MarvinPA at Fri Oct 7 21:44:19 2016 UTC (18m 57s ago) saying 'some recent discussion also partially happened on the c-r-d mailing list, that's part of what ended up finally prompting the change: https://sourceforge.net/p/crawl-ref/mailman/crawl-ref-discuss/' on ##crawl-dev. 18:03:34 -!- Lohengramm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:36 MarvinPA: the zot change is trunk? 18:03:44 yeah 18:03:51 MarvinPA: very nice, many thanks! 18:04:07 Didn't we talk about this just a few days ago? 18:04:13 i'm not 100% on it but i think it's worth trying out 18:04:20 yeah, it came up recently 18:04:41 can Xom still take you on a teleport tour through zot 5 18:05:20 not even the orb can stop xom 18:05:25 <3 18:07:02 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1831-gd4c818f (34) 18:08:07 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 18:09:08 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1831-gd4c818f (34) 18:09:17 MarvinPA: I just realized the nice side effect of not needing to close golubria passages when picking up th eorb 18:09:24 *the orb 18:09:39 -!- Shard1697_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:04 since the limitation is in effect always when you could pick up the orb 18:10:07 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:16 yeah, same with no longer having to extend the duration of ongoing teleports when you pick up the orb 18:10:24 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:57 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:11:17 ah, true 18:11:28 does make orb ninjaing a little harder, since all teleports are delayed 18:11:31 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:11:32 -!- Guest62369 has quit [Changing host] 18:11:32 -!- Guest62369 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:34 -!- Guest62369 is now known as bh 18:12:04 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:22 dpeg: can we raise the MP cost of charms by 1.5x, temporarily reduce max MP by #(spell level) and make the effects constant-until-broken 18:13:12 gammafunk: the demise of orb ninjaing has been predicted many times over the years and it still seems in pretty okay shape though :P 18:13:29 i guess it was temporarily quite a bit easier with ?blink and golubria being available 18:13:47 -!- Lohengramm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:51 believe me, I was not suggesting it was dead! I'm just eternally resentful that the amazing hyperbolic guide never covers it 18:13:52 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:13:55 why does the code say punk has acid brand? 18:13:58 heh 18:14:04 it does! 18:14:18 isn't it freezing? 18:14:30 last time I ecountered it it also was freezing 18:14:35 %git b3e3175 18:14:35 07Brannock02 * 0.19-a0-1610-gb3e3175: Slimify Punk (hellmonk) 10(3 weeks ago, 5 files, 8+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b3e3175eb58c 18:14:42 surprisingly, things change in crawl 18:14:53 ooh 18:14:55 thanks 18:16:29 Brannock: calls for a special unrand vault for Punk that can place in slime 18:17:26 slime_punkd 18:17:37 since people mostly want to dive slime anyhow, perhaps we need a special "Slime" level-wide effect 18:17:59 you eventually become a slime creature 18:18:15 bh: I think this is tried in some branch (circus animals?) 18:18:16 maybe give the player a 6 turn delay during which he has to zap a wand of flame at himself 18:18:33 and if he doesn't meet the requirement just tot him 18:18:56 good balance guys i swear 18:18:57 bh: it doesn't solve the problem, because there are characters who use MP for nothing but charms. 18:19:29 -!- Shard1697_ is now known as Shard1697 18:20:17 -!- bhaak_ is now known as bhaak 18:26:41 New branch created: vehumet_spells (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/vehumet_spells 18:26:41 03MarvinPA02 07[vehumet_spells] * 0.19-a0-1832-gf50e180: Make Vehumet's spell gifts castable while on offer 10(4 weeks ago, 10 files, 97+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f50e1801caea 18:27:21 feedback welcome on whether that's a bad idea and/or a bad implementation! 18:28:00 i think it's probably sort-of complex for a not hugely significant change, but i kinda like the idea anyway 18:28:44 MarvinPA: it is definitely cool and a nice touch! 18:35:16 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:22 wow gammafunk joining in on the trunkwatch theft 18:36:33 imo the berserk change is trunkwatch-worthy too! 18:37:26 since everyone loves food-related things 18:39:00 I vaguely thought about that, but then it turned out I'm lazy 18:40:27 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:04 MarvinPA: hey, good call! 18:47:54 MarvinPA: a good change imo 18:50:53 Gonna make zerk cost more hunger? 18:51:12 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:51:22 %git :/berserk 18:51:22 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-1830-g05e0fc3: Make Berserk cost hunger on activation instead of on expiry 10(9 days ago, 6 files, 14+ 26-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/05e0fc37776a 18:51:25 Dracunos: ^ 18:52:24 it was a minmay suggestion i think, my previous local implementation just made involuntary berserk not cost hunger without changing anything about deliberate berserk but this seems like a better approach 18:52:50 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:55:39 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:09 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:57:32 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:59:25 -!- yaknyasn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:59:37 -!- Lohengramm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:33 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:29 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:12:00 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:24 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:19:56 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:21:32 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:23:24 -!- Lohengramm has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:55 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:40:27 03regret-index02 07* 0.19-a0-1832-g8d6b64e: Adjust Lair's spawns and OOD table some more 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 31+ 29-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8d6b64ec74de 19:45:14 -!- Warrigal is now known as tswett 19:51:03 !seen regret-index 19:51:03 I last saw regret-index at Fri Oct 7 00:37:24 2016 UTC (23h 13m 39s ago) parting ##crawl-dev, saying 'chanpart'. 19:53:33 dpeg, what were the monster behavior rules changes you were thinking of to cut down on luring? 19:53:38 you mentioned it in a thread recently 19:58:49 Brannock: I was thinking of: (a) luring alerts more and more monsters about the player position, (b) lured monsters may refuse to follow, (c) if you lure long enough on a level and leave, upon re-entry all monsters may be awake and near the staircase (no matter which you take). 19:59:09 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:59:16 Stuff like this, but PleasingFungus convinced me that no rule change would be able to break luring. 19:59:16 b seems simplest to implement and to communicate to the player, I think 19:59:24 I was very sad when I realised that :( 19:59:34 I doubt it's possible to break luring with a rule change but you can largely reduce it 19:59:46 And with other clocks it may become unattractive to just sit somewhere waiting for monsters to wander by 19:59:57 I hope so! 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:06 issues with b: melee monsters 20:00:17 and player ranged attacks 20:00:20 right 20:00:33 -!- SenoraRaton has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:00:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:54 I guess if you're willing to deal with suspension-of-disbelief (do you call it that), then something could be done... 20:01:24 ...for example, during luring (hah!) a monster could transform into something much faster, most stronger, but with same xp- 20:01:39 s/most/much/ 20:01:43 FR: give all monsters desperate swiftness 20:02:21 Shard1697: do you have any thoughts while posting in GDD? 20:02:39 tough question 20:02:44 Brannock: that's not enough! Even if all monsters had fast movement speed (faster than the player), there'd still be luring. 20:02:49 I'll have to think about it 20:02:51 Shard1697: doesn't seem like it. 20:03:43 my ely issues thread was good 20:03:53 also, all the rest of my posts >B) 20:04:09 Shard1697: hey, aren't you the "rude, condescending dick" guy? 20:04:36 yeah actually. although I later decided I was wrong because HBG was indeed being a bit of a dick in the first place 20:04:44 wrt the guy who tried to rewrite crawl 20:07:23 -!- hellmonk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:20 pog ruinedforever 20:08:25 feelsgoodman 20:08:27 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Client Quit] 20:09:07 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1832-g8d6b64e (34) 20:09:14 hellmonk, butchering is still in hellcrawl for the purposes of getting hides yeah? 20:09:43 yeah, because I was too lazy to make hides drop from enemies 20:10:16 -!- koboldina has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:26 http://imgur.com/zzjQ2jy a more color appropriate picture of that gehenna serpent shirt 20:10:28 mostly I just keep butchering things in it out of force of habit 20:10:49 I think longterm the solution is to remove butcher and make hides drop, but that requires nonzero amounts of effort from me 20:11:07 ideally you'd like, remap the keys or something too but fuck that shit 20:11:29 they are removing hides from regular crawl 20:11:45 aren't they 20:11:56 if that's actually true I can just steal their commit and then remove butcher 20:11:59 i think i heard something to that effect 20:12:16 I'm gonna cherrypick the new zot tele delay commit 20:12:16 I wonder if you could remove hides as a type of armour, and just have an item like a "dragon's scale" 20:12:25 unusable, but if you enchant it, it becomes the armour 20:12:42 you probably could gammafunk 20:12:43 and the dead monster could simply drop the scale 20:12:54 gammafunk: yes, I don't see why not 20:12:54 i think the proposal was to just have them drop the armour 20:12:56 but my idea of coding is to press delete a whole lot, not add new content 20:13:00 but that effectively increases the enchantment of all DA users by 1 20:13:12 DrKe: yes, but the theme of that is awkward, and yeah free enchant 20:13:37 yeah bad flavor 20:13:47 beware the flavor cost etc 20:13:53 I don't see flavor 20:14:02 umami 4 life 20:14:06 I just see chunks 20:14:12 remove food 20:14:16 gammafunk: caught in git hell? 20:14:26 i mean, it's normal not to be able to see flavor 20:14:28 I have received nothing but good feedback about food removal btw 20:14:28 i think 20:14:31 like some people can see music 20:14:34 but that's not normal, either 20:14:53 hellmonk: well the people playing hellcrawl are literally insane, their feedback can't be trusted 20:14:58 fair 20:15:02 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:15:28 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:33 I feel like "it's a free enchant if they just drop armor" doesn't matter much honestly 20:15:55 perhaps we can talk about food once more 0.20... last time, the focus was not clear enough, and there were quite different expectations 20:16:00 can someone implement implojin's move dodge check before block patch so I can steal the commit, thanks in advance 20:17:28 I think it matters enough unless the solution is really really elegant otherwise 20:17:35 which them just dropping armour kinda isn't 20:17:58 sometimes when i close my eyes i see cats 20:19:18 -!- Smello has quit [Quit: Bye!] 20:20:12 yeah, the dragon scale thing might work, although it does introduce an otherwise-useless item 20:20:22 just means we need to let it become evocable for cool nemelex-like effects 20:21:03 I feel like evocables are a lot less powerful now than when i last played 20:21:15 with the 1/3 destruction chance on sack/box and no elementals from lamp/fan 20:21:23 other possibilities include simply having an extra chance to place dragon armours in the various places dragons spawn, but that removes the "incentive to kill dragon for dragon armour" aspect 20:21:47 i think there's something rewarding about getting it from killing the dragon 20:21:51 yeah 20:21:56 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:32 I mean, the dragon scale thing is also a kind of non-solution, since we're removing one class of useless item in order to make another 20:22:43 i've worn hides before when i find them on like d:2 20:22:54 but it's not a very common thing 20:23:03 the only benefit being that the former useless item is sort of situationally useful in a weird way 20:23:38 a random floor ice dragon hide spawn is your only source of rC+ 20:23:42 and you use it to brave an ice cave 20:23:43 -!- a_ has quit [Client Quit] 20:23:44 DrKe: powerful hide tech when walking through freezing clouds for...yes 20:24:48 it being well and truly useless would probably be the best thing, in the end, but maybe it's not really an improvement over the status quo 20:25:08 how about just dropping a -1 dragon armour instead of the hide 20:25:52 any -1 dragon armour is garbage, much like a hide, so you're getting rid of the hide items without changing anything else 20:27:35 (qda is also bad so there's no problem there) 20:27:46 ??qda 20:27:47 quicksilver dragon armour[1/2]: 9AC, 7ER, MR+, cannot be enchanted. Can be created by enchanting a quicksilver dragon hide. Quicksilver dragon armour is always +0, even as an artifact. 20:28:04 i like how it was considered so amazing at 10 ac 20:28:11 and now it's so mediocre at 9 20:28:59 yeah, what minmay suggests is maybe good 20:29:06 kind of feels a bit thematic at least 20:29:25 maybe would be better if they dropped from a range of -2 - 0 20:29:30 then it could be themed as them being variably damaged 20:29:42 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:04 it'll still be weird that it drops as a hide (to me), but I guess you can use the theme of MAGIC! 20:30:18 as in, "The dragon's hide magically turns into a shitty armour!" 20:30:34 but with a better adjective 20:30:51 here: a shitty -1 fire dragon armour 20:31:56 better just to drop +0 armour and slightly decrease ?enchantarmour frequency (by like 1 scroll over the course of a 3-runer) to compensate 20:32:32 but that affects all of us reasonable "mostly-not-dragon-armour" users! 20:32:53 03Lasty02 07[thorn_god] * 0.19-a0-1773-gaa448fe: Prevent Wudzu from allowing you to headbutt yourself (PlatinumSpider 10(23 seconds ago, 2 files, 10+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aa448fe24af8 20:33:04 how would you ever max out your robe of the archmagi if that happened? 20:33:37 you're telling me I'm to ascend in merely +9 rF plate? 20:33:44 I would probably just quit 20:34:27 I don't think it's usually worthwhile to use dragon armor anyways 20:34:30 i like how it was considered so amazing at 10 ac 20:34:34 definitely not by me 20:34:48 so I don't think dragon armors getting +1 EA over the course of a game is busted 20:34:58 for characters that don't want plate by default, dragon armour is pretty good 20:35:00 my BaNe found qda in a shop 20:35:14 going to buy it, wear it, and inscribe it with MINMAY'S DELIGHT 20:35:19 yeah +0 is far more elegant but people massively overrate dragon armour so i figured i'd be conservative 20:35:25 Which dragon armours would be OP if they spawned at +0 from dragon kills? 20:35:33 none of them really 20:35:35 none 20:35:40 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:41 i think its more of a case of maintaining the status quo 20:35:43 yeah, none 20:35:48 Possibly MDA and SwampDA. Otherwise, none, I'm pretty sure. 20:35:51 for the good maintaining-the-status-quo feels 20:35:59 it would make TLA a lot better 20:36:00 gammafunk: dragonscales are one time use evocables for a bolt attack of the flavor of the dragon you took it from!!!!!! 20:36:01 mda is worse than eda now 20:36:08 agree 20:36:26 tla is really freaking bad right now so i dont see a problem with that 20:36:32 yes 20:36:45 koboldina: the dev team has special, secret checks and balances in place to prevent players like you from having such nice things 20:36:53 for every 10 dragon scales you collect you get one level of a scales mutation 20:37:08 except its not technically a mutation, you just glue them to your skin 20:37:23 gammafunk: you just don't want players farming evocables lol 20:37:29 (for every 10 centaurs you kill you get 1 glue) 20:37:30 Lasty1: unbalanced parenthesis in that commit, your daiquiri priveges are revoked 20:37:38 *commit title 20:37:45 gammafunk: !!!! 20:38:03 I thought about fully balancing them 20:38:03 and that felt like too much white space 20:38:12 but honorable persons can differ 20:38:32 good thing I'm not honorable 20:38:35 at least, they can until they start threatening one another's daiquiri priviledges 20:40:04 ??eda 20:40:05 steam dragon armour[1/1]: 5AC, 0ER, rSteam. Can be created by enchanting a steam dragon hide. 20:40:15 to whom do i bring up issues with the OSX build? is it still geekosaur, or did geekosaurgive up? 20:40:19 wow, since when did "eda" become canonical 20:40:23 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:40:25 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:40:28 gammafunk: before i even started playing 20:40:35 I demand proof 20:40:42 EDA/WDA/HDA/TDA 20:40:44 gammafunk: ??dragon name reform 20:40:54 * geekosaur has not completely given up but also has not re-rolled certs and tried to build again 20:40:56 ??sda 20:40:56 sda[1/1]: see {steam dragon armour}, {swamp dragon armour}, {storm dragon armour} or {shadow dragon armour} 20:40:56 amalloy: general build issues, anyone I think, but the 'saur is good to talk to 20:41:10 people usually call storm ODA 20:41:13 if you mean "official, signed builds", then definitely the 'saur 20:41:16 oh ODA, right 20:41:30 geekosaur: this one is actually not a cert problem! the only warning i got from the official dmg was "this is an application from the internet, are you sure you want to run it" 20:41:44 but then when i do run it, it just opens a text editor viewing the executable 20:41:55 instead of actually running it 20:42:09 if geekosaur decides not to mess with/fix the signed builds thing, we do need to decide exactly what form of OS X build we wish to make 20:42:15 and then we need an OS X dev to do the build 20:42:33 since I cannot do it myself 20:42:41 windows and linux debs I can do 20:42:58 hm, something lost an association then. (was that the console build? it worked locally but it sounds like it thought the executable was just a text file, maybe missing +x) 20:43:11 yes, local console 20:44:05 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:45:17 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 20:45:37 geekosaur: it has +x, and it starts correctly if i: $ ./Contents/Resources/crawl 20:45:56 but if i, say, $ open ./Contents/Resources/crawl, then i get a text editor 20:45:58 -!- Roarke has joined ##crawl-dev 20:46:21 um dont "open" that because the default action is indeed TextEdit 20:46:26 open the *.app 20:46:48 if you dig inside and "open" the script, it throws you in an editor 20:47:08 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 20:48:19 i mean, if i click the app i get the same thing 20:48:35 Experimental (thorn_god) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1773-gaa448fe 20:48:37 -!- n1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:48:38 or running open on the .app 20:48:51 sorry, gammafunk, no more headbutting yourself 20:49:39 -!- nonethousand is now known as n1 20:49:43 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:49:57 it looks like the perl script inside the app is running `open Terminal.app DCSS.app/Contents/Resources/crawl`, and if i do the same thing by hand i get a text editor 20:50:45 that... does not sound like what I recalled it doing, which was using the correct way to open a terminal and run the script (which isn't that) 20:51:37 the last line is: 20:51:37 system "/usr/bin/open /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app '$executable'"; 20:52:45 sigh. ok, I'll poke at some point 20:52:58 Lasty1: I'll find other ways to punch myself, don't worry 20:54:21 it looks like that file was last changed in 2010, and that line was introduced in 2008 20:54:29 +0 is fine for dragon armour 20:54:38 a few days ago PleasingFungus was looking at removing hides and just having "dragon scales" 20:55:11 what version of os x are you currently on? 20:55:23 Brannock: I'm in favor 20:55:29 I am too 20:55:53 geekosaur: 10.11.6 20:55:56 I'm not, since Brannock is 20:56:04 :o 20:56:23 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:56:27 where do i sign up to auto-oppose everything gammafunk is in favor of 20:56:28 what elliptic and DrKe mentioned about free ?ea is worth thinking about though 20:56:38 I'm opposed to: Cheibriados 20:56:43 oh shit 20:56:51 I'm in favor of: Cheibriados 20:56:56 noted 20:56:59 too slow, bro 20:57:04 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:57:06 first opinions only 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:01 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:01:43 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:03:48 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:50 also, do people have any opinions on making the new L3 beckoning spell check something, maybe MR? 21:07:42 if scaling is a concern, it could check HD, like how dazzle does 21:08:02 ?/beckon 21:08:02 Matching terms (1): lesser_beckoning 21:08:07 ??lesser_beckoning 21:08:07 lesser beckoning[1/1]: L3 Translocation spell that attempts to move the target creature towards a spot adjacent to the caster. Starts at range two and maxes at range 7 with 50 spellpower. 21:11:54 is it actually too powerful as-is? 21:12:23 -!- Jorgrell has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:13:30 i guess it's kind of weird that it has short range in the early game and then never again 21:13:48 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:14:54 still, it already spends a turn doing no damage to monsters and is only useful if you intend to commit to killing a monster in melee 21:15:39 if it checks HD or MR or whatever it probably shouldn't have power-dependent range 21:16:41 -!- Jorgrell has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:27 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:25 minmay: could alternately make the power cap 100 instead of 50 21:20:48 !tell hellmonk %git 7f728bb7ddbd6467d50ca4cc8831d06b7cd9caa2 21:20:49 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let hellmonk know. 21:20:57 thanks 21:20:57 hellmonk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:21:01 !messages 21:21:02 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (13s ago): %git 7f728bb7ddbd6467d50ca4cc8831d06b7cd9caa2 21:21:35 !tell hellmonk You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:21:36 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let hellmonk know. 21:21:44 !messages 21:21:44 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (8s ago): You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:21:55 !tell pleasingfungus thanks 21:21:55 hellmonk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 21:22:02 !tell hellmonk You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:22:02 any time. 21:22:02 koboldina: OK, I'll let hellmonk know. 21:22:08 oh god, it's gang harassment 21:22:11 what have i unleashed... 21:22:13 lol 21:22:14 also hi koboldina 21:22:16 hi 21:22:21 wanna see something cool pf? 21:22:49 sure 21:22:50 http://imgur.com/zzjQ2jy http://imgur.com/8UHLk6W 21:23:07 nice... 21:23:29 perfect for autumn 21:24:18 gammafunk: i'm skimming the earlier conversation so i might've missed it, but one suggestion for dragon armour flavour was to rename the armours to "scales"; e.g. "gold dragon scales" 21:24:34 (see, you're wearing their scales.) 21:25:01 you! you're nothing but a crafty language lawyer! 21:25:11 but yeah, that could do it 21:25:11 i actually already changed the descriptions to reflect that 21:25:17 %git 7f728bb7ddbd6467d50c 21:25:17 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1782-g7f728bb: Remove hides 10(5 days ago, 44 files, 151+ 409-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7f728bb7ddbd 21:25:24 see the dat/descript changes 21:25:54 but could also go through and rename the items themselves if that's needed to appease the Flavour Gods 21:25:58 let's go with 21:26:01 "dragon scale mail" 21:26:08 i don't think that's been used before 21:26:11 :P 21:26:35 for the record, i veto that unless we also rename scale mail 21:27:14 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:28:35 rename it to removed item tbqh 21:28:43 w h a t 21:28:59 this is the worst thing since the removal of splint mail... 21:29:01 just a prank bro 21:29:08 fuck! pranked!!! 21:29:09 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:29:13 actually if you want to keep it just rename it to splint mail 21:29:18 problem resolved 21:29:28 not a bad idea 21:29:29 gammafunk: if you really want to appease the flavour gods, come up with a better message for when a dragon leaves intact scales when dying 21:29:44 something so your rc can color it or force_more it or w/e 21:30:26 You kill the fire dragon! As it dies, the fire dragon defacates, leaving a pile of dirty red scales. 21:30:31 I'll work on it 21:30:37 *defecates 21:31:04 I joked about the scales changing allegiance to its new owners 21:31:55 all jokes are serious now. 21:32:30 food in crawl....ahahahhahaa! 21:32:55 food is probably the most serious thing 21:33:05 it's seriously due for removal 21:33:15 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:33:26 !!! 21:33:34 -!- eb_ is now known as eb 21:34:35 who let hellmonk in here???? 21:34:45 all our secrets!!! 21:35:11 i wish i had secrets 21:35:32 someone tell me a secret. i promise not to tell anyone other than my publicly hosted dropbox documents 21:35:46 I have a secret for you 21:35:52 ranged reform is going really slowly 21:37:17 that sounds like 21:37:19 it's going 21:37:20 ! 21:40:00 add secret TODO lore 21:40:14 that already exists 21:40:16 weirdly 21:40:40 gammafunk I think marvinpa just beat you in the contest of who can take away the most nice things 21:40:51 since apparently zot and orb run are ~no pog zones~ now 21:41:11 we basically considered all of zot to be a nice thing 21:41:14 and didn't want players to have it 21:41:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 21:41:49 oh that's a good idea just remove the branch 21:41:52 put the orb on u:5 21:42:15 sure, but then U gets Orb status 21:42:36 then we remove U, move the orb to D, add Orb status to D, then we remove... 21:44:06 crawl 0.27 is a 2x1 permarock vault with the player standing on the exit, adjacent to a tile with the Orb and a Pan lord standing on it 21:47:37 !seen Brannock 21:47:37 I last saw Brannock at Sat Oct 8 01:31:03 2016 UTC (16m 33s ago) saying 'I joked about the scales changing allegiance to its new owners' on ##crawl-dev. 21:47:41 ah 21:47:45 eh? 21:47:53 Brannock: did you feel up to be the Tournament King? 21:47:59 also, did anyone ever dig up the banner ideas we talked about earlier? 21:48:11 I'm not sure I'd do a good job but I'm happy to take a shot at it 21:48:21 i'm sure people would be happy to help 21:48:23 eg me 21:48:39 Sure, coronate me then 21:48:43 Then you can be my shadowy councilor 21:48:47 The true power behind the throne 21:49:20 sick 21:49:45 ok, i'll send an email out to crd at some point saying "we're gonna do a feature freeze starting oct 17th for a release sometime after that" 21:50:10 Sounds good, yeah 21:50:16 I suppose I should get around to finish up meddlign with draconians 21:50:18 bleh 21:50:23 no rush 21:50:41 you need to have something for the traditional Post-Tournament Commit Mania, after all :) 21:50:48 oh I have quite a list 21:51:34 how long do we usually wait after freeze for release? 21:51:46 reasonable suggestions for banners seem to have been "move pak's banner to hep" and "turncount milestone for usk" (reach temple in 5k turns, lair in 10k, win in 50k.... except the last one is already an oka banner, so you'd want to swap that out) 21:51:57 PleasingFungus: do it nov 17th, then it can be a freeze here and at work 21:52:07 gammafunk: we've tried 2 weeks and 4 weeks; imo the former works better 21:52:10 so that's what i was aiming for 21:52:22 we can always freeze sooner if you're worried that we have too big a bug backlog to clear 21:52:42 PleasingFungus: so when was the t date you were aiming for, Nov 4th? 21:52:59 release on 31st, tournament on friday 4th, was what was proposed last time 21:53:18 sounds alarmingly plausible 21:53:23 seems reasonable enough to me, is Brannock going to run the t scripts? 21:53:30 yes I have been recruited 21:53:32 nice 21:53:57 so that covers a date, t-slave, build-slave, but we still need an os x build plan 21:54:03 that can be figured out in coming weeks 21:54:06 sotto voce: little does he know that running the t scripts is so grueling an experience, that no one has tried it and come out alive... 21:54:34 but geekosaur, are you for sure going to mess with signing os x builds again (looking to release on 31st) 21:54:34 iirc geekosaur thought he might've figured out the reason he was in OSX Build Hell last time (apple gave him bad certs) 21:55:08 yeah, my only concern is if that doesn't happen, we need someone to do the build and we need to decide what build to do specifically 21:55:16 probably 'saurs build script can settle that last one 21:55:22 the problem wasnt build hell so much as signing hell. and what I've learned since then is that Apple does indeed send out bad signing certs 21:55:38 I'm just pointing this out since I'm the build slave but I cannot build nor test os x builds 21:55:52 which I found out because they're in my employer's dashboard when they're supposed to be my personal certs, so Apple stuffed *something* up 21:55:56 haha 21:56:07 !lm * recent rune swamp x=avg(turn) 21:56:32 !lm * br.enter=lair current x=avg(turn) 21:56:37 neither of these queries are going to finish. 21:56:40 I'll just keep making dire warnings about os x as I hear the direness of geekosaur dire warnings 21:56:44 (the certs' subject names do claim them to be my personal certs and not me-in-my-SNA-role) 21:56:51 hopefully when release comes we will actually have an os x package to give people 21:57:09 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:57:20 so I need to revoke and reissue all of them, and do so again if necessary until I get some that work. wtf apple. but it's at least a known issue... 21:57:37 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm * recent rune swamp x=avg(turn) 21:57:41 74613 milestones for * (br.enter=lair current): avg(turn)=11482.81 21:57:57 OS X Download: Recommend you try a windows or linux VM: 21:57:58 !lm * swamp rune current x=avg(turn) 21:58:03 10369 milestones for * (swamp rune current): avg(turn)=36839.48 21:58:13 !lm * lairbranch rune current x=avg(turn) 21:58:24 hm, shoals probably gonna skew upwards 21:58:24 or os X wine, which would probably run quite well 21:58:31 37904 milestones for * (lairbranch rune current): avg(turn)=38907.08 21:59:03 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:03 i kind of like the idea of having milestones for 5k/9k/27k turns for temple/lair/rune, but latter might be too easy for a tier iii 21:59:04 32 bit only but yes 21:59:20 when I do the windows build, I usually just test it in wine 21:59:26 although I should try in my VM 21:59:38 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:21 PleasingFungus, make the milestone for opening the Vaults rune lock 22:00:32 that's basically the same thing 22:00:32 oh 22:00:48 Zot lock? 22:00:52 I think 27k for a rune sounds like...almost sounds like "normal game" tbh 22:01:05 !lm . current trunk !gfspeed urune=1 x=avg(turns) 22:01:09 er 22:01:11 75 milestones for gammafunk (current trunk !gfspeed urune=1): avg(turn)=55559.75 22:01:11 oops 22:01:15 !lm . won x=avg(turn) recent 22:01:15 !lm . current trunk !gfspeed urune=1 rune x=avg(turns) 22:01:17 1371 milestones for Brannock (won recent): avg(turn)=40174.85 22:01:17 9 milestones for gammafunk (current trunk !gfspeed urune=1 rune): avg(turn)=46687.44 22:01:18 27k for zot lock would be pretty tight, i think 22:01:20 hm 22:01:27 !lm * current br.enter=zot x=avg(turn) 22:01:33 ok so it's faster, but yeah feels kinda easy for tier 3 22:01:48 !lm . br.enter=zot x=avg(turn) recent 22:01:49 we should have an elf dive banner somewhere 22:01:52 like in dieselrobin 22:01:53 8767 milestones for * (current br.enter=zot): avg(turn)=73902.85 22:01:54 that was fun 22:01:54 19 milestones for Brannock (br.enter=zot recent): avg(turn)=68912.47 22:02:08 !lm * recent br.enter=zot turn<27000 22:02:10 65. [2016-10-01 16:14:05] kazuki the Impregnable (L27 DDGl of Makhleb) entered the Realm of Zot on turn 23588. (Depths:5) 22:02:19 !lm . recentish gfspeed urune=1 rune x=avg(turns) 22:02:20 45 milestones for gammafunk (recentish gfspeed urune=1 rune): avg(turn)=10598.29 22:02:25 27k zot entry is... right 22:02:27 *tight 22:02:32 !lm * recent br.enter=zot turn<30000 22:02:33 100. [2016-10-06 06:38:34] justnoob the Slayer (L26 FeMo of Cheibriados) entered the Realm of Zot on turn 27313. (Depths:5) 22:02:40 It's doable if you skip Vaults and get Abyss instead 22:02:43 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:02:44 zot entry is just a bit too close to "win the game" I feel 22:02:47 Vaults chews up a lot of turns 22:03:05 usk banner: dive elf before xl 11 / dive slime before xl 15 / dive geh before xl 20 22:03:06 skip vaults and get slime instead 22:03:08 no randomness! 22:03:17 I had a stretch where I'd just dive Depths and Zot and not bother with full clears 22:03:23 hellmonk: slime dive 2 ez 22:03:24 Of course, that was during me doing greatminotaur 22:03:28 So it's nto like these characters needed the XP 22:03:45 I know of a few players who liked to dive U, but they tended to clear more of Z 22:03:45 ok, dive slime before xl 11 (no jiyva) 22:03:57 honestly i like the basic idea but i'd probably toss slime and put something easier in for a tier 1 banner 22:04:19 !lm . rune=slimy !jiyva min=turns 22:04:38 74. [2015-09-11 05:23:02] gammafunk the Executioner (L16 MiBe of Trog) found a slimy rune of Zot on turn 9296. (Slime:6) 22:04:43 * Brannock notices he hasn't won a game since joining the devteam 22:04:49 and maybe make it turns instead of xl, but i don't feel strongly about that one way or another; just that xl feels like it's a bit too close to veh's banners 22:04:56 Brannock: if it makes you feel better, i haven't either 22:05:04 Brannock: that's how it goes 22:05:07 *right* before joining I had two 3x streaks 22:05:10 lol 22:05:14 Brannock: it's because you have access to all the numbers!! 22:05:14 I haven't won a MiBe since joining the dev team 22:06:03 COINCIDENCE? 22:06:28 it's because of lasty's amulet reform, mibe is now unwinnable 22:06:50 maybe, hm, temple before 5k turns, elf before 20k, geh before 27k? 22:06:51 !lm . rune!=slimy|abyssal rune urune=1 min=xl 22:06:52 194. [2015-05-13 01:34:20] gammafunk the Convoker (L11 DESu of Sif Muna) found a barnacled rune of Zot on turn 4824. (Shoals:5) 22:07:04 elf:$ and geh:$ obv 22:07:12 elf too easy, prob 15k 22:07:15 hm, this is a very fo banner 22:07:15 just enter those branches? 22:07:17 or reach the end 22:07:19 the end 22:07:21 yeah 22:07:28 we could ban fo... we do that for something 22:07:43 banning Fo would make sense 22:07:49 makh 22:07:57 and sif 22:08:08 and veh, heh! (but only the first tiers of each) 22:08:20 poor fo... 22:08:54 also, do we want it to be geh, or 'any hell branch'? would everyone just pick tar? 22:09:16 tier iv banner: reach the bottom of pan in under INT_MAX turns 22:10:33 just copy the dieselrobin "kill all pan lords with a single cerebov firestorm" thing 22:10:43 and claim the dev team invented it 22:11:00 i'm all in favour of stealing from dieselrobin 22:11:11 why didn't you steal first place then 22:11:16 snap 22:11:23 i tried... 22:11:30 look, you had wheals on your team... 22:11:41 i assume earlier dieselrobins had different rules? 22:11:49 amusingly wheals's suicide cost us 0 tourney points 22:13:44 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:13:52 -!- panicbit2 is now known as panicbit 22:18:49 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 22:22:30 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:23:23 -!- Bammboo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:25 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:27 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:31 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:55 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:45 -!- Tarara is now known as Taraiph 22:44:53 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:48:45 heh, "a fire dragon scales" 22:51:04 Oh no, a fire dragon is scaling the wall! Sound the alarm! 22:51:41 Crash on game load 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10723 by Siegurt 22:56:47 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/378 * 0.19-a0-1816-ge88bd62: Specify weapon list for Jory (Roarke) 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e88bd6220e9c 22:57:30 -!- nxtlvl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:58:42 03DrKe02 07* 0.19-a0-1816-ge88bd62: Specify weapon list for Jory (Roarke) 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e88bd6220e9c 22:58:42 03PleasingFungus02 {GitHub} 07* 0.19-a0-1834-g6b7851e: Merge pull request #378 from drke2/vp 10(6 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6b7851e59382 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:23 i noticed something odd while mucking around with mon-gear.cc 23:01:28 all of Sojobo's elec weapons are +0 23:01:39 because specifying a good_item doesn't play nice with specifying a brand/enchantment 23:02:08 like you can specify an enchantment level for the elec weapons, but then that breaks the good_item specification 23:04:07 PleasingFungus: did you ever figure out if the `!place_info.is_global()` bug is your fault? 23:04:25 that's the message in #10723 as well 23:05:18 no, i ddin't figure it out 23:05:32 i looked at it a very little but didn't have obvious ideas 23:05:36 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:05:41 DrKe: goodbug 23:05:55 probably applies to other monsters? 23:08:04 well i'll repro locally and see if the stack trace is informative 23:09:14 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1834-g6b7851e (34) 23:09:25 please! 23:09:56 oh drke is roarke? 23:10:05 I never made the connection 23:10:11 no 23:10:14 he's a friend of mine 23:10:20 oh I see, my mistake 23:10:22 the commit is crediting roarke for the idea 23:10:27 also PleasingFungus that merge broke the 54,000 commit line 23:10:42 well "passed" 23:10:43 not broke 23:10:54 is that significant? 23:12:05 not really 23:12:07 just something I noticed 23:13:07 -!- shummie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:14:32 A: "You kill the fire dragon! The +0 fire dragon scales are intact enough to wear." 23:14:45 B: "You kill the fire dragon! The fire dragon's scales are intact enough to wear." 23:14:58 C: "You kill the fire dragon! Its scales are intact enough to wear." 23:15:03 ^ last one is worse for rcfiles 23:17:30 I like B 23:17:37 you'll see it's +0 once you pick it up anyway 23:18:09 yeah, i don't like the +0 23:18:34 could do "The fire dragon scales", i guess 23:19:02 but that would be either (a) wrong for gold dragons or (b) a horrible hack 23:20:30 @??gold dragon 23:20:38 Gretell is dead 23:20:39 there's no such thing as a gold dragon, brannock. 23:20:44 unknown monster: "gold dragon" 23:20:44 %??gold dragon 23:20:46 see? 23:20:53 ??gold dragon armour 23:20:53 gold dragon armour[1/4]: 12AC, 23ER, rF+ rC+ rPois. Can be created by enchanting a gold dragon hide. 23:20:58 golden dragon armour is maybe fine? 23:21:06 imo just turn them into gold dragons... 23:22:05 03PleasingFungus02 07[no_more_hiding] * 0.19-a0-1833-ge04f41b: Remove hides 10(5 days ago, 44 files, 153+ 422-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e04f41b684d2 23:22:05 03PleasingFungus02 07[no_more_hiding] * 0.19-a0-1834-g4dfd06c: Rename: dragon armour -> dragon scales 10(53 minutes ago, 47 files, 195+ 191-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4dfd06c95555 23:22:05 03PleasingFungus02 07[no_more_hiding] * 0.19-a0-1835-gf9c0ca1: Tweak dragon scale drop message 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 39+ 39-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f9c0ca12cef4 23:22:15 we don't have fiery dragons, or icy dragons! 23:22:22 stormy dragons 23:22:27 thundering dragons 23:22:47 shadowy dragons 23:22:52 shadowed 23:23:11 pearly dragons 23:23:12 or 23:23:15 nacreous dragons... 23:29:51 ??mon-pick-data 23:29:52 mon-pick-data[1/1]: Raw floor probability data (0.19-a-21c7ecd8) at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-R6UTDqfvG2FbaNzBM46-rq23lO3ocISTGp7RNCZdRw/. 23:30:05 ??beam.cc 23:30:05 beam.cc[1/5]: Q: What's the difference between a bolt and a beam? A: One leg is both the same. 23:30:31 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 23:30:46 what' with the beam/beem.cc stuff? 23:31:31 it has a reputation for being bad 23:31:35 like, incomprehensible 23:32:00 imo it's not so much that it's complex and poorly written (though it is!) as that you end up interacting with it way more than crawl's other poorly written parts 23:34:01 -!- Shu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:42:52 PleasingFungus: it looks to me like this save file's place info stuff is wrong? like specifically it says there are 36 places to load, btu when we load the place at index 35 (which should be desolation of salt) we instead fine a nonsense place info 23:43:13 i'm not really sure of the details 23:44:18 its minor version says it's from after you made place info become global, not before, so in theory that shouldn't be a problem, but maybe the issue is that previous save-compat handled that transition wrong 23:46:03 %git 85f3404c839262e5cc7676e6589a6b2247623bb1 23:46:03 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1228-g85f3404: Relocate global branch info 10(9 weeks ago, 6 files, 18+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/85f3404c8392 23:47:51 hm, issue might be with saves that were created before desolation? 23:48:20 you'd think that'd be a lot more widespread 23:49:37 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:50:52 PleasingFungus: https://gist.github.com/amalloy/c1785aacb9a7053254071fa8d19524ee is most of the useful info i was able to get out of lldb 23:51:18 weird nil branch 23:51:20 specifically we are reading place info #35, out of a total of 36 (ie the last one) 23:51:31 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:51:38 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:51:41 hm, actually 23:51:44 branch #35 is supposed to be desolation, but instead it's GLOBAL 23:51:51 not nil really 23:52:35 hm, might be a save compat issue, then 23:53:01 i think desolation *should* be empty, since the player hasn't visited it yet i think, at XL11 23:53:22 probably not 23:53:36 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/85f3404c8392#diff-134a8114de41ab35f33c746461b4b0c3R3705 is probably wrong 23:53:38 hm 23:53:57 beem.is_beam == false 23:54:02 -!- ontoclasm1 is now known as ontoclasm 23:54:24 but that if() isn't triggering afaict, because the minor version is actually not less than that 23:54:44 what if it was in the past? 23:54:46 i can put a breakpoint in and check 23:54:59 right, that's what i think might have happened 23:55:54 he loaded his game once across the save compat boundary, and the transfer "succeeded" but created a save file that was broken somehow for future loads 23:56:23 i think 23:56:28 old_entries[] might need an addition? 23:56:37 ah, no 23:56:40 nevermind 23:57:38 PleasingFungus: hm, BRANCH_DEPTHS+1 23:58:33 i guess that's what *was* NUM_BRANCHES when that minor version was in effect, right. hm 23:59:05 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 23:59:40 Churin (L27 DDFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 554: mid cache bogosity: mid 10832 points to iron imp mindex=15 mid=10848 (Abyss:2)