00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:03 Heartnet: once that's installed, if it works, you need to go back to line 56 of INSTALL.txt ("Source Code Checkout") and follow those instructions 00:00:15 aight nws 00:00:16 ty 00:00:16 ty 00:06:18 I don't know if Source Code Checkout is all that nws 00:09:18 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1792-g28b16ba (34) 00:10:15 gammafunk: yep cloned everything 00:10:21 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:45 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest69562 00:15:21 -!- Guest69562 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:17:54 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:20:15 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:09 gammafunk: so im pretty confused with how to actually build 00:22:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:24:06 do you have msys2 installed and ready? 00:24:23 yep 00:24:29 cd to your source directory, then "make". there are multiple options for "make" that will get you stuff 00:24:29 :) 00:24:31 -!- williamneveu has quit [] 00:24:37 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:24:44 what do you mean by source directory 00:24:49 I like "nice make -j5 TILES=y" but -j5 will rely on .. uh.. some package or something, I'm not really in a sobriety state to answer that confidently 00:24:58 the directory where you have your GitHub repo of Crawl 00:26:05 for me it's .../GitHub/crawl/crawl-ref/source 00:26:19 oh okay 00:26:43 then "nice make -j5 TILES=y". If you have a clean install of msys2 then i don't think you have the package needed for multi-core building, so just make TILES=y should be fine 00:27:03 That'll compile all your files into something actually playable 00:27:22 PCH=y compiles a little faster, i think 00:27:42 Then you can run crawl.exe either from the folder view, or './crawl.exe' 00:28:23 Once it finishes compiling, anyway, and if it compiles without errors of course 00:29:33 -j works out of the box 00:29:41 but how many cores to use depends on your system 00:29:42 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29:54 What wast he package you got me to install then? 00:29:56 Was it for 'nice'? 00:30:00 no 00:30:05 oh, for caching? 00:30:06 nice is also part of unix 00:30:09 ccache, yeah 00:30:12 but don't worry about that at first 00:30:25 typical rule is "make -jN" for N = number of cpu cores plus one 00:30:40 Heartnet: just wants to get crawl to build once 00:30:59 also probably does want TILES=y unless he prefers console 00:31:16 to be clear, the increased cores is so your CPU can handle multiple files-at-once, instead of each-in-turn 00:31:30 :o 00:31:42 wait so is it okay that i used nicec make 00:31:50 wait, plus one? 00:32:05 minmay: the threads block on file io so you want more threads than cores, i think 00:32:10 the extra core is for jesus, minmay 00:32:10 amalloy: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 00:32:27 yes but it seems like almost any other number would make more sense than one 00:33:00 !tell pleasingfungus no, Brannock is in charge of the reddit css 00:33:01 amalloy: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:33:19 I wish we had a proper graphic designer 00:33:24 but I can broaden my skill set! 00:34:39 Brannock: we will slippery-slope you into a tiles artist yet 00:34:45 oh lord 00:34:54 I'm already doing palette swaps and CSS updates...... 00:35:03 h-help 00:35:28 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:39:27 wait so how would i run crawl? 00:39:47 dw 00:39:48 got it 00:40:26 so double checking, what i just compiled was from the files from the github repo? 00:42:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:45:07 I think if we removed nem 00:45:13 we'd lose a significant number of korean players 00:45:16 they really like this god 00:45:19 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:27 !lg * cwz recentish god!= !ho x=god% 00:45:27 Broken query near '%' 00:45:34 !lg * cwz recentish god!= !ho s=god% 00:45:36 153668 games for * (cwz recentish god!= !ho): 35907x Trog (23.37%), 18439x Okawaru (12.00%), 13515x Xom (8.79%), 12464x Cheibriados (8.11%), 9324x Lugonu (6.07%), 9276x Vehumet (6.04%), 8152x Gozag (5.30%), 7390x Ashenzari (4.81%), 6926x Makhleb (4.51%), 5397x Ru (3.51%), 3753x Qazlal (2.44%), 3520x Dithmenos (2.29%), 3055x The Shining One (1.99%), 2993x Sif Muna (1.95%), 2137x Uskayaw (1.39%), 20... 00:45:47 ah, looks like it's really not all that many 00:45:56 !lg * cwz recentish god!= ck !ho s=god% 00:45:58 12721 games for * (cwz recentish god!= ck !ho): 12451x Xom (97.88%), 87x Nemelex Xobeh (0.68%), 23x Kikubaaqudgha (0.18%), 22x Gozag (0.17%), 18x Okawaru (0.14%), 14x Cheibriados (0.11%), 13x Hepliaklqana (0.10%), 10x Fedhas (0.08%), 9x Ru (0.07%), 9x Qazlal (0.07%), 8x Makhleb (0.06%), 8x Ashenzari (0.06%), 8x Dithmenos (0.06%), 7x Trog (0.06%), 5x Yredelemnul (0.04%), 5x Zin (0.04%), 5x Elyvilon... 00:46:01 aha 00:46:10 !lg * cwz recentish god!= ck !ho god!=xom s=god% 00:46:11 270 games for * (cwz recentish god!= ck !ho god!=xom): 87x Nemelex Xobeh (32.22%), 23x Kikubaaqudgha (8.52%), 22x Gozag (8.15%), 18x Okawaru (6.67%), 14x Cheibriados (5.19%), 13x Hepliaklqana (4.81%), 10x Fedhas (3.70%), 9x Qazlal (3.33%), 9x Ru (3.33%), 8x Makhleb (2.96%), 8x Dithmenos (2.96%), 8x Ashenzari (2.96%), 7x Trog (2.59%), 5x Yredelemnul (1.85%), 5x Zin (1.85%), 5x Elyvilon (1.85%), 4x ... 00:46:19 !lg * !cwz recentish god!= ck !ho god!=xom s=god% 00:46:21 2521 games for * (!cwz recentish god!= ck !ho god!=xom): 398x Ru (15.79%), 331x Okawaru (13.13%), 235x Makhleb (9.32%), 184x Trog (7.30%), 177x Ashenzari (7.02%), 164x Cheibriados (6.51%), 121x Gozag (4.80%), 120x Dithmenos (4.76%), 80x Jiyva (3.17%), 79x Pakellas (3.13%), 78x Fedhas (3.09%), 76x Zin (3.01%), 68x The Shining One (2.70%), 65x Lugonu (2.58%), 61x Nemelex Xobeh (2.42%), 58x Kikubaaqu... 00:46:36 not all that many games, but I guess CK^Nem is kind of a CWZ thing 00:46:47 I think those 87 games are actually all the same player... 00:46:57 !lg * cwz recentish god!= ck !ho nem s=name 00:46:59 88 games for * (cwz recentish god!= ck !ho nem): 79x ASCIIPhilia, 2x stonebell, 2x brainstorm, 2x hong, dydgnl92, rinsrain, smocul 00:47:01 indeed 00:47:18 hum 00:49:46 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:51:32 Heartnet: yeah, you compiled a checkout of the github crawl repo 00:51:34 nem is really fun 00:51:53 Heartnet: you can commit changes to a branch on that repo and recompile them etc 00:52:23 chequers every time you recommend something, I'm going to do a query to see if you you've won a game with it! 00:52:28 !lg chequers nem won 00:52:29 No games for chequers (nem won). 00:52:49 I'm embarrassed to do that for myself 00:53:26 once we get chequers to actually win each of these species, gods, and classes, he's going to fully convert to an australian minqmay 00:53:32 will see the light 00:54:20 !lg devteamnp s=name / won nem ?: N=0 00:54:21 31224 games for devteamnp: 0/3x galehar [0.00%], 0/3x frogbotherer [0.00%], 0/5x DracoOmega [0.00%], 0/12x jpeg [0.00%], 0/41x felirx [0.00%], 0/43x Enne [0.00%], 0/49x edlothiol [0.00%], 0/51x wormsofcan [0.00%], 0/100x Keskitalo [0.00%], 0/138x evktalo [0.00%], 0/155x Zaba [0.00%], 0/424x mumra [0.00%], 0/424x reaver [0.00%], 0/596x ontoclasm [0.00%], 0/866x pointless [0.00%], 0/893x erisdiscord... 00:54:52 !lg devteamnp cv>=0.15 s=name / won nem ?: N=0 00:54:53 6636 games for devteamnp (cv>=0.15): 0/1x 78291 [0.00%], 0/2x HangedMan [0.00%], 0/6x mumra [0.00%], 0/12x Keskitalo [0.00%], 0/19x felirx [0.00%], 0/41x SGrunt [0.00%], 0/51x wormsofcan [0.00%], 0/110x doy [0.00%], 0/131x bh [0.00%], 0/137x elliptic [0.00%], 0/142x ontoclasm [0.00%], 0/168x reaver [0.00%], 0/183x PleasingFungus [0.00%], 0/426x wheals [0.00%], 0/625x dpeg [0.00%], 0/702x Brannock ... 00:54:59 okay makes sense 00:55:00 I have been summoned 00:55:03 what is this query 00:55:13 devs who haven't won with nem since 0.15 00:55:14 Wow, no one plays Nemelex on the devteam 00:55:22 in fact I may be on that list! 00:55:24 !lg . nem won 00:55:25 3. gammafunk the Slayer (L27 KoAr of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2016-04-06 23:01:05, with 2096236 points after 80776 turns and 7:39:50. 00:55:27 !lg . nem won x=cv 00:55:28 3. [cv=0.18-a] gammafunk the Slayer (L27 KoAr of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2016-04-06 23:01:05, with 2096236 points after 80776 turns and 7:39:50. 00:55:34 oh god, *this* *year* 00:55:44 why did I do that to myself 00:56:22 183x pleasingfungus 00:56:24 good 00:56:42 oh that's not nem games though, just games in general 00:56:59 but yeah that's people who've played 0.15 or later and not won any nem games since that version 00:58:04 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:45 feels weird that DE have 0 throwing but -2 slings 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:13 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:02:59 !apt de 01:03:00 DE: Fighting: -2*, Short: 0, Long: -1, Axes: -2, Maces: -3*, Polearms: -3*, Staves: 0, Slings: -2, Bows: 1, Xbows: -1, Throw: 0, Armour: -2, Dodge: 2, Stealth: 3, Shields: -2, UC: -2*, Splcast: 3!, Conj: 1, Hexes: 3, Charms: 4!, Summ: 1, Nec: 2!, Tloc: 1, Tmut: 1, Fire: 1, Ice: 1, Air: 0, Earth: 1, Poison: 1, Inv: 1, Evo: 1, Exp: -1, HP: -2, MP: 2! 01:04:51 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:05:38 -!- Heartnet_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:18 sorry so what would process for building be 01:06:42 -!- Heartnet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:06:55 am i editing the files in the git folder, saving, rebuilding then running to test 01:07:15 or is there another step like make a new branch? 01:07:30 why does my nickname have a _ 01:10:31 -!- Heartnet_ has quit [Client Quit] 01:11:57 -!- Heartnet has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:07 Hello 01:12:43 okay cool didnt miss anything 01:16:58 Heartnet: you want to generally use git to make commits of your changes, so you can use git to track changes and make alterations without losing work 01:17:13 Heartnet: probably you should make your changes in a branch 01:17:47 as for testing your changes, yeah you'll want to rebuild crawl with the make command 01:18:09 any time you change a C++ source code file, you'll need to rebuild 01:18:39 Heartnet, your nickname has a _ probably because you got disconnected then reconnected while your old nick was still active 01:19:05 okay 01:19:24 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:19:28 coz im at the stage where im wondering whether my code is off, or i just did it in the wrong place 01:19:32 there's a GHOST command to get rid of your old nick in that situation, but not exactly urgent 01:19:32 and fair enough 01:19:43 yeh was a bit confused 01:20:52 As for building, you want to make your changes, save to all the applicable files changed, then run the build yes. If you're making commits you'll want to divvy up your changes in a reasonable manner (like-to-like and all) so they're comprehensible by other developers and other people reading the commit log 01:21:03 I think the coding conventions .txt talks about this 01:24:23 wait so i made a branch, made changes, if i delete that branch, does it do anything to the main one? 01:24:32 it should not 01:24:43 if you want to bring your changes into the main one, you'll want to merge it 01:25:12 but the entire purpose of making a git branch and making changes to it there is that you can remove it without affecting the main branch 01:26:24 oh okay sweet 01:26:38 thats useful 01:26:40 git is pretty great, there's all sorts of features to make life easier once you learn it 01:26:43 the only obstacle is... learning it 01:27:59 yeh the classic 01:28:16 and it is better if i make changes through the desktop app right? 01:28:27 because thats where the files are located 01:30:17 the files are located in one place 01:30:18 it's just a directory on your computer 01:30:34 whats a big thing i can change so i know that im following the right steps 01:30:36 ah okay 01:30:37 if you access it with github desktop you're just using a different program (that's not part of msys2) 01:37:13 Heartnet, it's definitely worth checking out a few git tutorials. git is amazing, but until it becomes amazing it's pretty horrible 01:38:25 also, I encourage git newbies to learn command-line git since you actually have a chance of learning what's going on. 01:38:33 :o 01:38:39 what do you mean by that 01:39:08 and just like crawl, there's only a handful of git commands that you'll mainly use to get the job done 01:39:49 Heartnet, well, I'm late to the convo, but sounds like you are using an IDE or something to manage your code 01:40:20 yeh 01:41:08 which is one way. the other way is to use the command line to run git commands to handle commiting, branching, pushing, etc 01:42:05 though, really depends on what you are doing. if you are just doing some light modding or something, I bet the IDE way is probably good enough 01:42:05 oh okay 01:42:23 rn just trying to get the steps down 01:42:33 (I'm the resident git-evangelist at work, so I'm the one saying annoying things like 'you should put that in a repo') 01:42:46 it sucks at first 01:42:50 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:55 it all feels so horribly overformalized 01:43:58 it would have to be if so many people are working at once right? 01:44:27 like yeh, still figuring the terminology and whether my steps are right 01:44:34 gonna look up some tutorials :) 01:44:55 the github application is pretty good for the simple case of being someone who submits patches. But it does help to know the CLI for git 01:44:58 Heartnet, have you used formalized version control before? (svn or cvs or something?) 01:45:42 I've never actually used GH for that. cept for setting up pull requests and the occasional diff 01:46:03 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:49:23 nope cant say i have 01:49:28 im a full noob 01:49:47 no better place to learn 01:50:18 -!- cait_m has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:52:06 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:52:09 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:52:22 I think it's better if git is your first 01:52:28 :) 01:52:39 it was mine. had some interesting discussions with folks at work who'd used SVN 01:52:54 seems like the words are the same, but the meanings are different (commit, branch, push, etc) 01:53:26 would be confusing 01:55:48 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:12 -!- Heartnet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:05:52 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:37 -!- cnd569 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:18:34 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:48 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:19:46 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:20:28 bummer https://status.github.com/graphs/past_day 02:20:44 Major Service Outage 02:24:15 happened right after pushing the meta file updates for sequell for thorn_god 02:24:18 coincidence?!? 02:25:00 probably 02:26:49 !blame thorn_god 02:26:49 I pronounce thorn_god... Guilty! 02:29:05 -!- LoveLain has quit [Client Quit] 02:35:17 !tell gammafunk thorn_god meta files are linked online and PR has been submitted for sequell 02:35:17 johnstein: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 02:50:12 -!- hellmonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:50:35 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:52:11 1tell johnsten thanks 02:52:12 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 02:52:14 er 02:52:19 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:52:31 johnsten is like johnstein 02:52:35 !messages 02:52:35 (1/1) johnstein said (17m 18s ago): thorn_god meta files are linked online and PR has been submitted for sequell 02:54:24 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:54:57 greensnark: cbro thorn_god experimental sources have been merged in the sequell config 02:55:27 !restart 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:30 -!- chukamok has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:00:38 -!- chukamok_ is now known as chukamok 03:01:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:01:43 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:02:47 so 03:04:14 If I've made a local branch in my crawl repo, how do I put the branch on github? 03:05:12 -!- DDFi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:08:54 oh never mind, I think I figured it out 03:09:00 just add the remote and then push? 03:11:19 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:40 Implojin: add your github repo as a remote, and then git push 03:12:50 assuming you have checked out 03:13:21 also make sure your git username and email are what you want them to be 03:13:37 yeah I think all of that is setup 03:13:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:15:53 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:16:17 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest80086 03:17:31 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1792-g28b16ba (34) 03:18:28 -!- chukamok has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:18:36 -!- chukamok_ is now known as chukamok 03:20:18 -!- Guest80086 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:28:10 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:34:09 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:34:29 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 03:40:20 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:52:01 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:51 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:07:39 -!- tcsc has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:11:00 -!- tcsc has joined ##crawl-dev 04:13:30 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:14:45 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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I'm interested in this for the webzook server, it appears the maintainer was discouraged by not knowing exactly how to go about it. 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02:20 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:04:49 sooheon: this is the right channel but not the best time (most devs/admins are sleeping or at work right now) 05:06:15 -!- PElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 05:07:45 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 05:07:59 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:10:20 johnny0: thanks, I'll try again at a better time for us/eu :) 05:15:20 -!- Implojin has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:38 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:24:22 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:25:09 -!- Implojin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:26:43 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 05:31:19 -!- Brannock has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:31:51 -!- Brannock has joined 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How is the damage calculated? 15:14:20 ??slaying 15:14:21 slaying[1/3]: Works like weapon {enchantment}, increasing your accuracy by N and your damage roll by 1dN. Magic is unaffected. 15:14:25 ??enchantment 15:14:25 enchantment[1/2]: Enchantment on armour adds that number to your AC. Enchantment on a shield adds that number to your SH. Don't enchant shields. Enchantment on a weapon adds that number to your accuracy and damage rolls. 15:14:35 ??enchantment[2 15:14:35 enchantment[2/2]: Old spell school. In 0.8, was split into {charms} and {hexes}. 15:15:13 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:44 ??greed 15:23:44 I don't have a page labeled greed in my learndb. 15:24:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:13 ??lair 15:31:13 lair[1/2]: Accessed from the main dungeon somewhere between levels 8 and 11. Six levels deep (eight in 0.18-). The lair is full of "natural" critters such as rats, snakes, and yaks. One of Swamp/Shoals and one of Snake/Spider appears there, as well as Slime, and there is a relatively hard vault on Lair:8. The petting zoo of Crawl, if petting zoos had hydras. 15:31:52 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:35:01 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:36:45 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:03 -!- Twinge- has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:04 is there any documentation on shop greed? 15:40:12 shop greed? 15:40:27 oh I guess the value by which it adjusts pricse? 15:40:38 yes 15:40:56 !source syntax.txt:1303 15:40:57 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt#L1303 15:41:21 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:41:25 helpful stuff 15:42:00 yeah, syntax guide contains a request to document it 15:45:09 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:49:29 I love generating vaults with &P at the wrong location for their DEPTH 15:49:39 because then the game crashes and your save can't be loaded 15:59:05 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:03 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:11:45 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:17:07 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:26 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:56 -!- Twinge- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:23:20 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:25:06 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:47 -!- THERetroGamerNY has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 16:38:34 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 16:39:46 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:54 @??neqoxec 16:43:54 neqoxec (133) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 27-39 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 15 | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08cleanse++, 11silver | XP: 183 | Sp: malmutate [06!sil], brain feed [06!sil], sum.minor demon [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 16:43:59 @??giant orange brain 16:44:00 unknown monster: "giant orange brain" 16:44:04 @??glowing orange brain 16:44:04 glowing orange brain (04G) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 44-65 | AC/EV: 2/4 | 10doors, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 12drown | XP: 713 | Sp: brain feed [06!sil], cause fear [06!sil], shadow creatures [06!sil], mass confusion [06!sil], blink [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 16:44:11 @??orange crystal statue 16:44:12 orange crystal statue (048) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 56-82 | AC/EV: 12/1 | 11non-living, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 671 | Sp: shadow creatures [06!sil], brain feed [06!sil], draining gaze [06!sil], mass confusion [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 16:44:31 @??starcursed mass 16:44:31 starcursed mass (02X) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 120-172 | AC/EV: 10/0 | Dam: 16 | 11non-living, see invisible, regen, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1335 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 16:44:38 @??very ugly thing 16:44:38 green very ugly thing (09u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 18 | HP: 80-118 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 2704(strong poison:66-117) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison++ | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1438 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 16:49:38 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 16:50:47 -!- removeelyvilon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:57 What happened to that fire/ice spell? Did I just dream that commit? 16:53:36 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:53:38 sounds like a PF branch 16:53:47 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:54:08 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:54:11 Explosive Thaw or something like that 16:54:17 %git steamblast 16:54:17 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.17-a0-2199-g4fd47d6: Steam Blast (L4 Fire/Ice) 10(12 months ago, 10 files, 67+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4fd47d657e25 16:55:34 Izzat in the game? 16:55:50 no, just on a branch 16:56:31 k, thy for the info. Now I know I wasn't hallucinating 17:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:55 removeelyvilon_: do you sometimes dream that Elyvilon is gone? :) 17:02:55 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:39 -!- tksquared has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 17:03:53 @dpeg I actually want to make a new account but I kept it for now as long as I write feedback in the wudzu thread. so that people know that I'm the boosted bonobo they all know and love 17:04:12 and I don't really want it removed but I believe it needs a rework 17:04:17 but that's just me 17:04:17 Did you make your peace with the E-god? 17:04:35 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:38 yes I overcame my hatred 17:04:46 ...pacified? :) 17:04:50 ah, I see... there have been three Ely incarnations by now... which one did you like best? 17:04:59 %git thaw 17:04:59 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1059-g7962c8e: Disallow butchering forbidden corpses (Arrhythmia) 10(9 weeks ago, 1 file, 7+ 26-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7962c8e525c1 17:04:59 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:05:01 3? I only know 2 17:05:02 hm 17:05:17 %git e219424e2 17:05:17 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1058-ge219424: Explosive Thaw: L5 Fire/Ice 10(9 weeks ago, 6 files, 50+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e219424e2279 17:05:25 removeelyvilon_: ^ another branch spell 17:05:42 well I liked it when you could play DD or hill orc and do a pacify-most-enemies-but-not-all run 17:05:51 I had a dream two days ago that I was checking the changelog and it was a massive amount of removals 17:06:02 then you realized... it was reality... 17:06:04 oh 17:06:24 like removing small + large abominations for being too random and generic and then in a later commit removing XXX since having it just summon tentacled monstrosities wouldn't really work 17:06:34 !tell |amethyst you interact with students, right? when would be a good time for tourney? lasty was suggesting winter break maybe...? 17:06:35 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 17:06:45 lol 17:06:49 that sounds like crawl 17:06:59 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:07:07 I realized it was a dream because even my sleeping mind realized something was up with the "remove sperm whales" commit 17:07:15 ?/sperm 17:07:16 Matching entries (1): singing_sword[2]: apparently there is a 0.000060672 chance of any one screaming sword scream being "LET'S FONDLE THE SPERM WHALES, FONDLE THEM!" 17:07:20 removeelyvilon_: old (pre-SS) Ely: no pacification; mid Ely: pacification gives piety; now: pacifications costs piety. 17:07:29 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:07:37 hey, that is my line 17:07:55 oh on the topic of spells with weird schools 17:08:27 PlesingFungus it's funny, in another game I used to play frostfire bolt got removed "because it would create a puddle of water" and now it's in crawl 17:08:28 yara's is one and imo could do with some kind of a change to make it easier to actually get use of, maybe? 17:08:51 although i'm not sure how good the concept is since dispelling is so weird 17:09:12 +MarvinPa could you make it a-so that you can dispell that haste might doland next to you without blasting yourself 17:09:20 donald* 17:09:20 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:25 yeah, my brain realized something was up because almost every water monster had already been removed by that point 17:09:42 did river rats get removed in this dream 17:09:45 no 17:09:52 water got removed 17:10:07 but not the only amphibious rats? 17:10:13 nope 17:10:15 dang, did you enter minmay's dreams by mistake? 17:10:18 you should have woken up immediately 17:10:24 MarvinPA: school changes? what are you thinkin? 17:10:28 literally every commit started with "remove" 17:10:30 so maybe 17:10:43 alternatively I was in MarvinPA's dreams 17:10:45 people who've tried it seem to be happy with it, though i don't think i've ended up picking it up myself in a real game 17:10:46 not sure what schools would make more sense, maybe pure hex? 17:10:59 so many hexes... 17:11:24 i suppose not more hexes than conjurations :p 17:11:36 ??yara 17:11:37 yeah, i was trying to avoid suggesting conj 17:11:37 yara's violent unravelling[1/2]: A Level 5 Hexes/Transmutations spell that dispels all enchantments (dispellable effects) on the target; if there were any, causes a radius-1 explosion that damages and malmutates everything within. Found in the Books of Hindrance and Enchantments. 17:12:00 @dpeg mid ely may or may not have been terribly imbalanced, I cannot judge that. but a. it was different b. it conveyed the idea of a peacuful god (that's probably not what conveyed means is it). c. gods are not balanced against each other anyway 17:12:13 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:58 i was also going to mess with irradiate a bit and halve the self-contamination or something but then ended up starting a branch to adjust contam costs across the board 17:13:09 since so many of them are fixed, which isn't great 17:13:21 removeelyvilon_: hey, I designed that version of the god, and I had "pacification playing style" in mind. Had to admit it was not good enough. Well, fun while it lasted. 17:13:27 your branch got contaminated... 17:13:33 mid ely? 17:13:40 ely was added in linley crawl 17:13:49 dpeg's rework would be mid ely 17:13:51 MarvinPA: the irradiate contamination is very specifically tuned right now 17:13:53 oh 17:13:53 yes 17:13:54 which was DCSS iirc 17:13:59 @dpeg I think you were successful in that 17:14:00 what was early ely like 17:14:03 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:14:08 well it would have to be, since I think dpeg first played DCSS and not linley crawl 17:14:11 dpeg: is that right? 17:14:22 or did you play some of 4.0 17:14:39 gammafunk: no! I won a 4b26 character, naturally a dwarf =) the day before DCSS 0.1 came out 17:14:45 * dpeg is really old 17:14:46 nice 17:15:07 dpeg: but is 4 the only linley crawl version you played? 17:15:10 +MarvinPA could you make cancel pots remove more contam while you are at it. pwetty pleassee? 17:15:14 I realised that we got rid of all the species I won at first: HD, GE, Gn, MD :O 17:15:16 I've only seen some of the 4.1 17:15:46 gammafunk: yes, it is... I think development was quite slow at that time. I did look at the "Crawl impossible" (Brent's 4.2), though. 17:15:52 or 4.1 17:16:10 MarvinPA: per the comment in cast_irradiate - the idea is that, if we don't display contamination more finely than the current levels (grey/yellow/etc), we shouldn't encourage people to track more than 'have i cast something contaminating' or not - should generally be risky to cast irradiate while already contaminated 17:16:11 dpeg: that writeup from the snark that you posted was very cool, had never read 17:16:19 not sure it works perfectly, but that is the idea 17:16:30 removeelyvilon_: probably what you want is reduced variance in contam reduction from cancel 17:16:39 gammafunk: Did you know that Haran (one of the early DCSS devs) played Crawl since 1.0? I realised because Linley thanks Haran in the 1.something release notes! 17:16:46 currently it's 1k-5k, and low rolls tend to be what people complain about 17:16:47 i don't think "only cast it once" is a good place to tune it to 17:16:59 PleasingFungus yes I think there was a suggestion on tavern some time ago 17:17:06 gammafunk: yes, I needed some actual content in that posting :) 17:17:16 MarvinPA: it feels like the alternative is players counting casts? 17:17:22 dpeg: oh that's cool, too bad we don't have an active dev that played that far back 17:17:36 maybe adding another level between grey and yellow would be good though 17:17:49 There is one last thing I must ask you before I leave you in peace 17:17:51 could! grey and greyer 17:17:54 grey, greyer, greyerest 17:17:57 Is there any hope for Pakellas return 17:18:02 no 17:18:02 yes 17:18:05 maybe! 17:18:06 damn 17:18:13 agreed on all counts 17:18:35 also pls ship Wudu. Wudzu is fun 17:18:46 don't think there's anything sacred about current contam level display 17:19:00 i mean, other than yellow. yellow is pretty important to display 17:19:14 PleasingFungus the low contam level is very easy to overlook 17:19:18 right, i'd just do darkgrey->lightgrey->yellow or something maybe 17:19:44 interesting, do we have ny lightgrey status lights? 17:19:46 *any 17:19:59 other than this proposed one, just wondering 17:20:02 another level sounds alright 17:20:09 ddoor, tornado, lifesaving apparently 17:20:15 those are white, no? 17:20:21 or is lightgrey just white 17:20:34 oh i see they would go lightgrey if they changed colour on near-expiry 17:20:35 but they don't 17:20:43 except for ddoor! 17:20:49 ah! 17:20:50 so yes, "expiring ddoor" is the answer 17:20:58 that's good 17:21:03 damn us humans, why can we only see 3 colours. why not 12 like the mantis shrimp 17:21:17 some humans can see four 17:21:17 we don't have the lightmagenta cones 17:21:22 some can see two or one or none 17:21:27 humans are complicated, imo 17:21:50 red, blue, green, ETC_DISCO 17:22:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1793-g9627c65: Remove species/form stealth modifiers 10(3 days ago, 8 files, 67+ 175-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9627c654eb1e 17:22:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1794-ge0c9574: Re-order some stealth handling 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 28+ 35-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e0c95740f3a0 17:22:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1795-g605dc7b: Give Vampires fixed stealth bonuses when thirsty 10(84 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/605dc7b4cd31 17:22:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1796-g55d2e7d: Give shadow form a stealth multiplier 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/55d2e7d5c6a5 17:22:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1797-gc296747: Display MR on the ?% aptitude table 10(3 days ago, 3 files, 22+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c296747bc292 17:22:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1798-g21eb84b: Reduce Ogre/Troll/Centaur stealth apts by 1 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/21eb84ba7e81 17:22:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1799-gf8ee9a6: Display Felid bonus stealth on 'A' 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f8ee9a6a74de 17:22:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1800-gf624816: Rename check_stealth to player_stealth 10(74 minutes ago, 5 files, 7+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f624816ada98 17:22:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1801-g1cb667b: Adjust AF_PARALYSE once more 10(62 minutes ago, 5 files, 19+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1cb667b4c5b7 17:22:00 03Lasty02 {MarvinPA} 07* 0.19-a0-1802-g34fa0a2: Remove Haste spell for players. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/34fa0a254aeb 17:22:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1803-g97ff39f: Remove some obsolete Haste handling 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/97ff39faaed3 17:22:30 you know for a moment there I read "remove species" 17:22:37 MarvinPA: very nice! 17:22:38 hey, the commitstorm ain't stopped yet! 17:22:47 removeelyvilon_: it was about time, wasn'it it? 17:22:48 saving the best till last 17:22:54 or second-last i guess 17:23:08 lol 17:23:20 <3 17:23:24 yeah that spider form stealth modifier was really obsucre 17:23:27 I don't see haste wand removal... 17:23:36 all the stealth modifiers were pretty obscure, imo 17:23:51 gammafunk: have you considered that it might have been, itself, removed? 17:23:53 gammafunk: fingers twitching, needs another remove dose? 17:24:17 always! 17:24:18 a junkie... sad! 17:24:30 @dpeg it was inevitable 17:24:35 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:24:46 reserved clan names: Blade Paws Stealth Penalty? y/n 17:24:56 only "potentially not great", wow such hedging 17:25:07