00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:05 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:08:20 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:56 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:08 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:36 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:11:51 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:13:30 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:13:47 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19:22 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:21:49 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:22:05 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:22:20 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:24:58 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:43 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:30:43 @??shadow demon 00:30:46 shadow demon (062) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 44-65 | AC/EV: 7/12 | Dam: 21 | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 713 | Sp: shadow creatures [06!sil], sum.demon [06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: human. 00:33:03 @??tentacled monstrosity 00:33:03 tentacled monstrosity (03X) | Spd: 10 | HD: 23 | HP: 96-149 | AC/EV: 5/5 | Dam: 22, 17, 13, 903(constrict) | 05demonic, 10doors, amphibious, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(160), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2965 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 00:34:16 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 00:37:48 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:39:41 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:41:08 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:44:26 can we remove extended? 00:44:53 I'm working on it actually! 00:45:04 well not so much "remove" as "dramatically shorten"... 00:45:11 work faster >.> .... 00:45:24 also, don't ever use the zin sound module on cwz 00:45:26 Candidly speaking I think this is a 0.20 change 00:45:35 No worries, the deaf man will not use the Zin sound module 00:45:46 -!- THERetroGamerNY has quit [Client Quit] 00:47:53 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:40 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:49:41 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 00:52:56 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:59:22 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:49 -!- chan20_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:50 -!- chan20 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:38 !learn add reserved_clan_names BaBe got BaCK [gammafunk] 01:01:39 reserved clan names[28/28]: BaBe got BaCK [gammafunk] 01:01:49 you broke the 27! 01:04:35 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:24 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 01:10:44 |amethyst, I'm getting compile errors about calls to non-constexpr function 'int coord_def::rdist() cosnt' 01:10:53 s/cosnt/const 01:15:11 Brannock: some need to be deleted anyways 01:15:19 <|amethyst> Brannock: does moving rdist up above distance_from work? 01:15:29 <|amethyst> Brannock: in struct coord_def in externs.h 01:15:38 <|amethyst> Brannock: also, what compiler and version is this? 01:15:55 msys2, latest master 01:16:05 <|amethyst> g++ --version 01:16:28 $ g++ --version 01:16:28 g++.exe (Rev1, Built by MSYS2 project) 6.1.0 01:16:28 Copyright (C) 2016 Free Software Foundation, Inc. 01:16:28 This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO 01:16:28 warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. 01:16:36 <|amethyst> oh, I see 01:16:43 <|amethyst> fe7938f 01:17:44 ??reserved_clan_name 01:17:44 reserved clan name ~ reserved clan names[1/19]: Quiescent Sporulation [who do you think?] 01:17:50 ??reserved_clan_names[18] 01:17:50 reserved clan names[18/19]: static initialization order fiasco [gammafunk] 01:17:55 ??reserved_clan_names[17] 01:17:55 reserved clan names[17/19]: Edible Dragons 01:18:01 !learn del reserved_clan_names[17] 01:18:01 Deleted reserved clan names[17/19]: Edible Dragons 01:18:05 !learn del reserved_clan_names[17] 01:18:05 Deleted reserved clan names[17/18]: static initialization order fiasco [gammafunk] 01:18:08 !learn del reserved_clan_names[16] 01:18:08 Deleted reserved clan names[16/17]: Invisible Rock Worm Targeter 01:18:28 I'll leave it, but names without attribution are always in terrible danger 01:18:49 rock worms were such a wonderful experiment 01:19:13 rock worms were worth how mechanically dumb they were for the simple reason of what happened the first time xw tried to fight one 01:19:26 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:43 is there a tv of it? 01:21:56 !lg xw killer~~rock_worm 01:21:57 5. xw the Severer (L14 GrBe of Trog), slain by a rock worm on Lair:8 (wormcave) on 2013-11-26 18:36:58, with 55684 points after 25856 turns and 0:24:49. 01:22:02 !lg xw killer~~rock_worm 1 -tv 01:22:03 1/5. xw, XL12 FeBe, T:20391 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 01:22:04 nope, cdo 01:22:18 failed to fetch game, gg 01:22:33 so that means minmay was lying 01:22:35 hold on, i'll animate it 01:22:53 none of this ever happened, and rockworms were mechanically sound 01:23:01 suspicious... 01:23:18 I actually had this idea for op crushers 01:23:39 that they would camouflage themselves into the wall somehow 01:23:49 where they'd hid you with iron shot etc, but they'd be invisible 01:24:00 and have some specieal AI to move around in the wall, maintain distance style 01:24:07 of course the idea is amazing 01:24:17 I dropped it when rock worms were removed 01:25:11 rocktopodes 01:25:15 ! 01:28:19 this is what xw did whenever it encountered a rock worm: it lured it to a corner and then did this http://i.imgur.com/yfU188U.gif 01:28:47 shimmy shimmy 01:30:47 pro strat 01:30:53 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-1778-g64c2a32: Re-constexprify coord_def::rdist() (Brannock) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/64c2a32d5e14 01:31:03 eventually it would berserk and get to low hp and teleport away 01:32:28 can we put that in the learndb? 01:32:49 ??xv 01:32:50 xv[1/1]: "x-v", it means to examine a monster. Use it to see how quickly a ghost is going to kill you. 01:33:03 ??rock worm 01:33:03 rock worm[1/1]: A worm that burrows into walls (does not dig, just enters them), and is there protected from harm. Rock worm zombies retain this ability. Disintegration (only when in rock), freeze, vampiric draining, smiting, torment/agony, and shatter are the only ways to hurt them when in walls. Burrowed out of the game in 0.14. 01:33:46 !learn add rock_worm Was a good test of lua bot AI: http://i.imgur.com/yfU188U.gif 01:33:46 rock worm[2/2]: Was a good test of lua bot AI: http://i.imgur.com/yfU188U.gif 01:36:59 thank you |amethyst 01:37:15 03Brannock02 07* 0.19-a0-1779-g7aee5af: Properly sort abominations 10(16 minutes ago, 54 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7aee5af9ba86 01:37:37 good commit title 01:38:18 isn't it? 01:40:11 Ashenzari warns you, "It is." 01:40:18 -!- koolguydude has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:46:13 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:46:57 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:46:58 The build has errored. (master - e664bd7 #1 : hellmonk): https://travis-ci.org/Hellmonk/hellcrawl/builds/164378410 01:46:58 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:47:38 why are we getting ci warnings about hellcrawl? 01:47:51 haha 01:48:01 did hellmonk make a patch? 01:48:07 apparently 01:48:19 I pushed a bunch of shit to hellcrawl 01:48:23 idk how travis works 01:48:28 I don't know why it's telling us about this though 01:48:37 like no offense meant 01:48:38 fuck if I know man 01:48:49 Is it because it's a fork? 01:48:53 I guess? 01:49:02 it's giving me some shit about sudo being required 01:49:08 sudo fix 01:49:39 how 2 sudo fix 01:50:28 I need to make a pro forum post and get the online build updated but I'd like to know that it's working first 01:50:39 I was joking about 'sudo fix' 01:52:03 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:52:28 I can delete the irc shit so it doesn't pop up in here too 01:58:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 02:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:38 -!- ByteStorm has quit [Quit: Bye guys hav a good time :)] 02:03:33 !lg * ikiller~~"dream sheep" 02:03:34 23. ShinQuickMan the Destroyer (L8 DECj of Vehumet), blasted by a dream sheep (exploding inner flame) on D:6 (kb_xom_exploding_sheep) on 2016-10-02 01:38:45, with 1600 points after 6552 turns and 0:21:24. 02:03:45 not so quick 02:04:03 !tv * ikiller~~"dream sheep" 02:04:04 23. ShinQuickMan, XL8 DECj, T:6552 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 02:05:22 !log * ikiller~~"dream sheep" 02:05:23 23. ShinQuickMan, XL8 DECj, T:6552: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/ShinQuickMan/morgue-ShinQuickMan-20161002-013845.txt 02:05:34 53 damage, wow 02:05:42 Possibly that vault adjusted..? 02:06:04 !lg ShinQuickMan 02:06:05 360. ShinQuickMan the Destroyer (L9 DECj of Vehumet), slain by a yak on D:8 on 2016-10-02 02:02:24, with 2893 points after 7279 turns and 0:23:15. 02:06:13 At least he wasn't turned off the game 02:06:31 Level 8 20 min death to level 9 2 hour death is quite the jump though 02:06:48 Oh it's 2:02 AM, not 2 hours. 23 min is pretty equitable 02:09:53 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1779-g7aee5af (34) 02:10:32 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:10:48 -!- protopulse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:13:20 -!- Ghostly has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:14:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:19:46 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:29:04 -!- sooheon_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:35:29 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:36 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:44:09 03johnny002 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/377 * 0.19-a0-1742-g5bac298: Lua options: Correct the binding name for allow_extended_colours. 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5bac29812474 02:44:09 03johnny002 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/377 * 0.19-a0-1743-gaa426e4: libunix.cc: Allow changing color depth during gameplay. 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 218+ 46-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aa426e4d7389 02:54:07 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:01 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1779-g7aee5af 02:55:31 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:56:41 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest13865 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08:35 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 03:15:03 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:15:38 !learn add cwz brainstorm: stone is 돌 in Korea, it's pronunciation is dol, we call stonesoup 돌죽, dolzook | ASCIIPhilia: dol(돌)=[Stone] jook(죽)=[Soup] 03:15:39 cwz[5/5]: brainstorm: stone is 돌 in Korea, it's pronunciation is dol, we call stonesoup 돌죽, dolzook | ASCIIPhilia: dol(돌)=[Stone] jook(죽)=[Soup] 03:20:07 03johnny002 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/377 * 0.19-a0-1744-g5152dc3: libunix.cc: Fix some bogus algebra in the setup_colour_pairs() notes. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5152dc309f12 03:28:07 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:28:21 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1779-g7aee5af (34) 03:30:12 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away 03:30:46 so it turns out that removing food shops is a pain in the dick 03:32:30 -!- Reverie|Away is now known as Reverie 03:32:40 Just go to the root of the shop generation :O 03:36:31 tempting 03:36:34 I think I got it now 03:37:03 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:19 I had a 'solution' but the 'solution' involved doing bad things to enums, so I had to find a better one 03:37:43 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:39:15 when people say that food is integral to crawl what they actually mean is that properly removing it is a fucking code nightmare 03:41:55 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:42:03 food is integral to crawl, but much more for flavor reasons then code reasons 03:42:07 >.> 03:42:57 (it's a joke about food) 03:44:19 hellmonk: maybe one day crawl food will reach the Ontoclasm Ideal 03:44:27 like 0.25 maybe 03:44:28 is the ideal no food 03:44:36 no 03:44:40 rip 03:44:45 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:45:12 he means each food item will have gorgeous tile art 03:45:26 hah 03:45:32 right down to the detail on the little hairs of the snozzcucumber 03:46:05 if you reduced food types to just pizza and fruit and pizzas were the replacement for potions of heal wounds and hunger didn't exist then food would be ok imo 03:46:40 pizzas of heal wounds would be pretty common though 03:46:51 (it's: the only source of hunger is time, and the only source of nutrition is permafood) 03:46:59 of course you'd not have a candy cane of heal wounds then like you do in trunk, I guess 03:47:47 ontoclasm: well then you'd have no fruit surely! 03:48:07 nor pizza or jerky, and I imagine one ration type? 03:49:11 i guess, though it works with multiple permafood types too 03:49:36 though i guess specifically the fedhas fruit thing would have to go 03:49:46 well there's not so much a need for them when there are no tactical hunger costs 03:49:52 sure 03:49:54 like from spells and such 03:50:29 if it's important for fedhas to have items then just rename them seeds or something and have them be inedible 03:51:12 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:51:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:51:58 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:34 turn fedhas into the clock, if you wait too long he comes and gets you 03:52:37 like the ghost in spelunky 03:53:00 mm 03:54:20 shorten the turn limit to 50k turns and you get an extra 10k per rune you pick up 03:54:39 and if players reach an unwinnable state tell them to fuck off and git gud 03:55:47 that is 03:55:54 basically what i want yes 03:56:08 I'm down 03:56:08 i have to think an actual unwinnable state is pretty tough to achieve 03:56:19 I would just do it with a hard, announced limit rather than an item minigame though 03:56:52 i mean unless you're approaching the hypothetical hard turn limit 03:56:56 alternate solution: apply orbrun conditions immediately when the turn limit is reached 03:57:01 and you can't possibly reach a rune in your remaining turns 03:57:24 possible addendum would be: you can't die from starvation, you just get awful horrible debuffs a la 0 stats 03:57:37 and thus die in a natural way 03:57:48 but then I still have to press 'e' several dozen times per game 03:57:55 not really 03:58:13 only permafood exists so autoeating is 100% optimal always 03:58:15 well you could do autoeat I guess 03:58:44 but then why not just have a turn limit that grows by x amount when you reach a floor / explore x tiles / whatever 03:58:51 yes that's fine too 03:59:25 huh 03:59:29 you have a "supplies" number visible somewhere 03:59:34 when did this lesser beckoning spell come in? 03:59:43 all characters are robots 03:59:48 they run out of batteries after 200000 turns 03:59:53 you can have cooler ran ot of time messages too, like instead of the world ending the entire dungeon explodes or floods with lava or whatever 04:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:20 it's a literal clock because the orb of zot is actually... a bomb! 04:00:30 now i'm just reminded of that silly automaton race in some of the *hacks 04:00:37 that has to eat potions of oil 04:00:47 hellmonk, it seems like it would be better to leave it in the dungeon in that case 04:00:52 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:53 which are hilariously rare 04:00:53 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away 04:00:59 in most of those 04:01:02 but minmay, the bomb is so powerful it will destroy the entire planet 04:01:16 so you have to take it out and launch it into deep space 04:01:16 this does not change my position 04:03:03 -!- MaBunny has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:05:06 maybe if the bomb is just big enough to destroy the dungeon there's a good argument 04:05:15 save the elves and orcs and giants and mummies 04:07:50 anyway I think hardcapping turn count will be the hellcrawl solution 04:08:16 since I can just change one number and be done 04:09:13 put the cap at the current high score WR 04:09:35 pass 04:10:34 you take 1% more damage for every 100 aut you are over the cap 04:11:18 if you want a soft cap just make it durably summon panlords, none of this wuss shit 04:11:42 pf 04:11:49 you can kill panlords 04:13:30 I think it's probably more optimal to win than to fight durably summoned panlords while clearing regular game content 04:13:47 so imo, you wouldn't want to scum on panlordclock 04:29:37 well this is finally working I think 04:32:21 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:39:46 -!- PElf has joined ##crawl-dev 04:59:36 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 05:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:25 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:26 The build was broken. 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Use !messages to read them. 10:06:10 2. Tekks, XL14 DrTm, T:26343 (milestone): http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/Tekks/crash-Tekks-20161002-102316.txt 10:10:03 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest29833 10:12:09 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:13:25 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:54 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:24:17 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:25:06 !tell brannock you forgot about axes again! 10:25:07 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let brannock know. 10:25:50 !locate Tekks 10:25:51 Tekks was last seen on CUE (Tekks, L13 DrTm of Hepliaklqana). 10:29:21 -!- Guest29833 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32:09 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:32:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:34:17 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:39:06 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:12 Grorgnorb (L12 DEIE) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_type(m.type)) in 'tags.cc' at line 5581 failed. (Lair:6) 10:42:58 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1780-g452a841: Axe wasps (Tekks, Grognorb) 10(18 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/452a841b9e0b 10:43:03 !crashlog Grorgnorb 10:43:03 5. Grorgnorb, XL12 DEIE, T:19097 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Grorgnorb/crash-Grorgnorb-20161002-144152.txt 10:43:16 &versions 10:43:21 Grorgnorb (L12 DEIE) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_type(m.type)) in 'tags.cc' at line 5581 failed. (Lair:6) 10:43:25 CAO: 0.19-a0-1744-g44f2206, CBRO: 0.19-a0-1779-g7aee5af, CDO: 0.19-a0-1742-g333ee72, CPO: 0.18.1-1-g2f07953, CSZO: none, CUE: 0.19-a0-1767-gb375097, CWZ: 0.19-a0-1738-gbb2db12, CXC: 0.19-a0-1740-g0bcaf2e, LLD: 0.19-a0-1397-g12ed078 10:43:27 FR: Axe wasps with AF_CLEAVING. 10:43:46 doesn't crawl have enough bugs??? 10:43:48 Grorgnorb (L12 DEIE) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_type(m.type)) in 'tags.cc' at line 5581 failed. (Lair:6) 10:44:02 not until we get boulder wasps 10:44:42 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 10:44:49 CSZO: none :( 10:45:06 %git 12ed078 10:45:06 07MarvinPA02 {GitHub} * 0.19-a0-1397-g12ed078: Update Uskayaw's name in the changelog 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/12ed078388b3 10:45:12 lld... 10:48:43 Grorgnorb (L12 DEIE) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_type(m.type)) in 'tags.cc' at line 5581 failed. (Lair:6) 10:51:12 -!- tedric has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:53:02 -!- destrovel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:55:40 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56:18 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:56:46 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:59:39 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1780-g452a841 (34) 10:59:53 i hope grorg tries again 11:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:25 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1780-g452a841 (34) 11:01:50 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:54 -!- Rast has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:07:21 -!- abirvalg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:09:14 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1780-g452a841 (34) 11:12:22 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:13:19 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:23 -!- darkflagrance has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:22:13 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 11:23:12 -!- protopulse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:24:01 You climb downwards. 11:24:09 Marking area around Roxanne as unsafe for travelling. 11:24:09 A naga, 2 naga magi, a salamander and Roxanne come into view. 11:24:17 this placed two simultaneous exclusions 11:24:21 on roxanne 11:25:04 very old, known 11:25:17 !bug 5593 11:25:17 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5593 11:25:33 good bug imo 11:27:37 -!- abirvalg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:30:22 <|amethyst> hm 11:30:31 <|amethyst> one of those is coming from dat/defaults/misc.txt 11:30:47 <|amethyst> what about the other one? 11:31:28 would the 'statue' also trigger separately on her? 11:31:30 statue, roxanne 11:32:12 <|amethyst> oh wait 11:32:19 <|amethyst> are you sure it placed two exclusions? 11:32:41 i think it just places two entries in ^o, not two exclusions as such 11:32:46 that's my vague recollection 11:32:51 <|amethyst> yeah 11:32:56 <|amethyst> D:1 exclusion: Roxanne, Roxanne 11:33:11 <|amethyst> That is (exclusion: Roxanne), (Roxanne) 11:33:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:33:56 <|amethyst> hm 11:34:26 <|amethyst> but if you hand-place the exclusion, it isn't marked with the unique's name 11:36:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:39:28 New branch created: steamsilver (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/steamsilver 11:39:28 03PleasingFungus02 07[steamsilver] * 0.19-a0-1781-g6189ed1: Merge quicksilver dragon armour into steam 10(9 minutes ago, 20 files, 49+ 57-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6189ed11b161 11:39:29 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:41:07 !tell elliptic %git steamsilver (wrt the other day's discussion) 11:41:08 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 11:42:08 PleasingFungus: are you going to also give steam dragons high MR? 11:42:19 why? 11:44:38 . . . ah, wasn't thinking. This is just moving the unenchantability, not the MR aspect 11:44:50 you gotta keep that rSteam 11:45:08 it's a critical crawl mechanic, much like, uh, blink frog distortion healing 11:45:28 true, true 11:45:38 remember polymorphing creatures into dragons to get their armour? 11:45:44 yep 11:45:49 I definitely did try to do that for a while 11:46:14 you'd look up the HD charts . . . 11:46:22 of course, MDA was a little better back then 11:46:38 ozo's mda! 11:46:54 Yeah, with enhanced AEVP forgiveness 11:47:07 aevp forgiveness feels like something i should be declaring on my taxes 11:47:17 You didn't??? 11:47:30 Your loss, man 11:47:57 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:16 i'm paying more taxes than trump!!!! #topical #whoa #wow 11:49:01 PleasingFungus: I didn't see the discussion you are talking about, but IMO steam dragon armour is already pretty good on some chars - I prefer it to MDA sometimes, for instance 11:49:01 elliptic: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:49:16 elliptic: agreed 11:50:28 PleasingFungus: also I'm not sure why you think QDA is impractical to use, QDA is still pretty good (though it might have been overnerfed a little bit) 11:51:13 and steam dragons are rarer than quicksilver dragons too (assuming you don't die before quicksilver dragons exist) 11:51:20 big assumption 11:51:25 yes 11:51:30 but steam dragons are really pretty rare is the point 11:51:42 that was part of the idea - so that it's not something guaranteed 11:51:46 lemme find the discussion 11:53:41 PleasingFungus: all that said, I don't have any particular objection to the commit, just to some of the comments in the commit message :P 11:53:52 the danger of explaining commits... 11:54:06 from now on, all my commit messages will be restricted to the title 11:54:08 no more! 11:54:41 PleasingFungus: one thing is that I do think it is a bit weird to have two of the best dragon armours in the game (mottled and steam) be things that you either find early on by killing a weak enemy and getting lucky, or not at all 11:55:35 i mean, i don't know that I'd say those are "two of the best", except insofar as they're competitive with the other dragon armours, but 11:55:48 as in, it doesn't feel like a real accomplishment to kill steam or mottled dragons 11:56:13 and I've occasionally been tempted to try to scum early levels for them :P 11:56:16 probably the problem there is that steam & mottled dragons show up too late :) 11:56:20 they're nasty when they show up early! 11:56:37 unless you're an enchanter 11:56:43 or have a hex wand 11:56:52 #hexessecretlythebest 11:56:54 haha 11:57:45 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:46 anyway, i don't think it's *bad* to have strong, rare items. i think one of dcss's strengths is the sheer variety of ways in which you can feel like you're "ahead of the curve" - "oh, I found an early ring of slaying", "i found a power wand", "i found ego aux armour", "I found an elec whip", etc.... 11:58:03 PleasingFungus: I guess I feel like it is nice to spread out the "light armour" dragon armours so that they aren't all in early game, so in that way I like QDA 11:58:07 srsly tho, I can't figure out why other people think hexes are less than amazing 11:58:23 but also I like the "reduce the number of people demanding iron dragon armour" logic... 11:58:36 (though what about removing/changing shadow dragon armour?) 11:58:40 -!- graymark has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:59:17 i'm very fond of the shadow dragon armour gimmick 11:59:20 shadow dragon armor is pretty unique right now . . . 11:59:25 but does anyone ever use it? 11:59:28 i have! 11:59:33 elliptic: if it spawns early 11:59:41 i think i used it relatively late, even 11:59:54 on what sort of character? 12:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:19 one who wants platemail, generally 12:00:22 the lower ER is nice 12:00:26 lemme go hunting through the logs 12:00:38 I think I've only ever used it as an artefact 12:00:40 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:01:21 hrm, can't find the char... 12:02:06 elliptic: http://pastebin.com/bLJHaz9p here's a slightly misleading truncated summary of the qda discussion (from three days ago, apparently) 12:02:18 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:02:33 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:34 The build has errored. (master - 452a841 #6875 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/164434700 12:02:35 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 12:03:07 but that's basically where i was starting from. i don't think i've actually used qda myself; i've looked at it, said "hey, cool, qda!", and moved on 12:03:43 it was incredibly good when it was first added, I think it is a bit on the weak side currently 12:03:44 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:03:46 i'm not committed to the change. i think the current qda flavour is better, so if you don't think there's a mechanical advantage to moving it earlier, i'd just as well leave it be 12:03:52 i've used qda a bunch, it seems like it's in an okay place to me 12:04:36 a bunch! 12:05:11 i'll delete the branch, then. 12:05:11 tangent: what did you guys think of the latest "remove hides" discussion? 12:05:33 i guess mostly when it was new and ridiculous, but i think once or twice since the nerf, unnerfing it a bit sounds maybe reasonable 12:05:35 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:05:52 did not see that discussion either, I assume the idea would be to make dragons have a 1/3 chance of dropping their armour without needing to butcher the corpse or enchant the hide or anything? 12:06:40 people were talking about making it -1 armour when dropped, which feels like one of those design decisions you only reach by trying to retain legacy 'balance' 12:06:45 clearly a buff because players would need one less enchant armour scroll, but aside from that it might be a good idea... the whole "enchant hides to transform them" thing is sort of weird 12:07:12 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:16 yeah, i don't think making them drop as -1 would be good 12:07:25 i think enchanting hides to transform them is *cool*, but having an armour type that you should never wear (enchantable hides) is very un-crawl 12:07:31 yeah I'd rather just make enchant armour scrolls slightly less common (0.5 or 1 less generated in an average 3-runer or something) 12:07:33 <|amethyst> it's almost as if it came from Nethack 12:07:36 haha 12:07:45 n-nethack???? remove it immediately! 12:07:47 REMOVE 12:08:19 we added one nethackism (floating eyes), so now we need to remove another. rules are rules 12:08:47 PleasingFungus: I actually dislike the "have to butcher the corpse to try to get a hide" thing more than the "enchant to transform" 12:09:27 <|amethyst> hm 12:09:33 <|amethyst> re removing corpses altogether 12:09:38 yeah, i think people were talking about that. there was some discussion somewhere about - yeah 12:09:43 <|amethyst> what if animate foo and simulacrum worked like death channel? 12:09:46 since it seems more spoily and also means a fair amount of unneeded butchering (since even if you don't want the hide now, you might later) 12:09:56 "spoily" 12:09:59 <|amethyst> (with animate skeleton lasting for only a single enemy) 12:10:03 it's not spoily, it's just unneeded complexity :P 12:10:22 agreed otherwise 12:10:26 PleasingFungus: how is someone supposed to learn that inedible dragons can drop hides? 12:10:37 xv 12:10:37 there is no reason aside from that to butcher them 12:10:37 xv 12:10:44 do people really examine every corpse 12:10:45 it is listed in, i think, multiple places in xv 12:10:46 xv on what? the corpse? 12:10:49 or the monster! 12:11:16 we shouldn't expect players to xv every monster and read and remember every single line 12:11:34 what of the mummy who is aware of hides but just forgets to butcher anything 12:11:36 <|amethyst> btw 12:11:39 is that a bad player 12:11:53 Doesnty: or the spriggan 12:11:53 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:11:57 elliptic: that does not mean that it is a spoiler 12:11:59 it just means 12:12:03 that it is unnecessary complexity 12:12:38 is it a no-brainer 12:12:42 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:46 aaaagh 12:12:49 IMO something can be documented _somewhere_ and still be spoily 12:13:01 <|amethyst> it's something the player has to be taught, that we don't do a great job of teaching, but are willing to teach 12:13:03 agreed in principle, but i don't think this is one of those cases! 12:13:06 @ ell 12:13:37 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:41 regardless of what we call it, it sounds like we agree that it isn't great 12:13:45 yep 12:13:45 <|amethyst> but I agree that it would be better if we didn't have to teach it 12:13:51 <|amethyst> yep 12:13:58 all in favor. remove! 12:14:33 <|amethyst> FR: new messages for the change 12:14:49 ? 12:15:02 <|amethyst> In a single stroke, you carve the hide off the shadow dragon! The shadow dragon is destroyed! 12:15:17 carving with sandblast 12:15:27 <|amethyst> obviously it would be different for different spells 12:15:46 having some sort of a message indicating that this particular dragon left an armour sounds like a good idea (so that players can force_more it, for instance) 12:15:46 <|amethyst> that message I gave was for slicing weapons only 12:15:53 not sure it should depend on the way in which you kill the dragon though, that sounds unnecessary 12:16:01 i think neil is joking :) 12:16:14 <|amethyst> Only sort of joking 12:16:23 <|amethyst> but, yeah, a single message is a lot more force-more-able 12:16:31 i put a lot of work into adding a special case message for beckoning monsters through bushes 12:16:33 purely for flavor 12:16:40 and then i tested and found out you can't do that :( 12:17:12 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:13 The build has errored. (steamsilver - 6189ed1 #6876 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/164443689 12:17:13 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 12:17:18 wow, thanks, travis 12:17:48 oh, that's because i deleted the branch. oops. sorry travis 12:19:29 i'm gonna implement the hide thing 12:20:02 prediction: this will ruin some nicolae shop that only sells hides 12:31:42 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:33:59 oh, lol 12:34:58 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1781-gd4668896: Improve &v 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 15+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d4668896020e 12:35:13 %git f83d13a41c9e7204e06b33254c143af9c1f75be3 12:35:13 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1223-gf83d13a: Simplify hide armour pricing 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 6+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f83d13a41c9e 12:35:33 ^ this made all dragon armours (& troll leather armour) cost $100 *less* than the hides, not $100 *more* 12:36:16 oops 12:36:24 remove! 12:44:25 PleasingFungus, bone dragons are an exception too! 12:44:25 Brannock: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:44:31 !messages 12:44:32 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (2h 19m 25s ago): you forgot about axes again! 12:44:38 Brannock: i considered mentioning them 12:44:47 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:51 they don't even have corpses, but that hasn't stopped... some people... 12:44:54 Ugh, I keep forgetting to axe them. What was causing the crash? 12:45:00 Like the specific interaction? 12:45:06 Already-existing wasps not having stats? 12:45:27 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:45:31 more or less, yeah 12:45:44 i fixed it and rebuilt 12:45:53 this is why we need a monster removal guide! 12:46:01 PleasingFungus, along the lines of QDA -> SDA, I'm working on a patch right now to remove mottled and turn mottled dragons into acidic dragons 12:46:10 r-i told me 12:46:11 armor would give rCorr 12:46:13