00:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:16 are they actually accessible? 00:00:28 yes 00:00:31 right? 00:00:34 they look like it to me 00:00:38 but i'm a console player 00:00:47 it looks like it's walled off, and the orc statues allow you to see into that room 00:00:55 but I don't think the orcs can get out 00:01:08 oh, those are statues? 00:01:17 yeah 00:01:26 I'm going to ask him to get us a more complete screenshot 00:01:40 what about the wizards? they could blink across the statues 00:02:22 can they? 00:03:01 ive seen that vault several times 00:03:01 can't they? 00:03:01 its fine 00:03:07 of course they can 00:03:09 maybe they can blink past the statues 00:03:19 but i think it has all kinds of random enemies back there 00:03:24 but normally you cant access them 00:03:33 yeah, the escape hatches make me think it's intentional 00:03:42 I'll try to hunt down that vault though in the files 00:03:59 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:07:04 i think you're right 00:07:27 the trees reminded me of a vault i've seen with inaccessible monsters, but i didn't recognize the statues in a tiles screenshot 00:09:34 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:10:45 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:12:17 !messages 00:12:17 (1/2) gammafunk said (7h 15m 57s ago): Something you've never experienced http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1475061509004.png 00:12:39 !messages 00:12:40 (1/1) gammafunk said (5h 46m 59s ago): Finally a good rendition: https://s31.postimg.org/c0zudiu2z/image.gif 00:13:08 that one's easy to fix, just swap their faces 00:13:29 was that made in ms paint 00:13:34 because i cannot imagine any other explanation for that dithering 00:13:55 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 00:13:57 looks intentional to me, actually 00:15:03 maybe I should just draw duvessa 00:16:14 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1720-gc855d72 (34) 00:16:59 Brannock: you can set your /r/dcss flair to mention you're a dev, if you want 00:17:08 Oh good idea 00:19:14 -!- espais has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:14 -!- espais1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:30 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:00 wow, trying to remove demonspawn types is awful 00:23:08 because of how they're selected 00:23:32 !source random_demonspawn_monster_species 00:23:32 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc#L2376 00:23:52 this adds a random number to first_base_demonspawn and selects the enum from there 00:23:56 -!- espais has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:24:05 so if I remove a type then I have to write special cases to skip over that enum 00:28:57 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:21 a lot of this code just flat out breaks if new demonspawn types are added 00:31:38 !source demonspawn_base_by_name 00:31:39 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc#L2921 00:31:44 the compile check there, for example 00:33:27 can you remove all of the demonspawn monsters to circumvent this problem 00:33:38 that is my 100% no trolling suggestion 00:33:47 we're improving them via pruning 00:34:11 well you could remove them all and then add new enemies with the relevant mechanics 00:34:43 I think the intersection of varying base types and nonbase types is cute 00:34:47 do you think draconians should be removed too? 00:34:49 they work the same way 00:34:56 and I imagine the code handling them is similarly scary 00:35:14 tis' a matter of improving the code... 00:35:17 I think they're kind of weak and tbh I don't know what half of them do 00:35:36 the dracs I sort of remember after doing zot 50 times, but I rarely do extended anyway 00:35:41 that's because there are too many. too much variety diminishes contrast 00:36:03 there are currently 25 possible combinations of demonspawn base types and jbos 00:36:03 s/jbos/jobs 00:36:08 so, demigod is the only race that just gets great stats now? 00:36:14 yeah that's a lot 00:36:32 I assume 5 each of base type and job 00:36:35 yep 00:36:39 and we get yet another str/dex fat guy to replace it 00:36:49 Draconians actually have a lot more, but Draconian base type matters less than Demonspawn base types 00:37:01 dr base types should deffo be pruned 00:37:21 8 currently 00:37:21 inb4 "mottled sucks" 00:37:41 red/white/green or red/white/yellow would probably be sufficient coverage 00:37:47 actually, 7, whoops 00:37:54 pale dracos are not a monster 00:37:59 or red/white/black I guess 00:38:17 black, yellow, purple, red, white are the ones I'd keep 00:38:22 i like all of the drac variants 00:38:35 but there's no pressing need (or even nonpressing need) to prune draconians 00:38:45 oh, purp might be worthwhile if you like a cancellation effect in zot, but tbh drac packs are not usually scary despite having so much going on 00:38:57 it might be better to split some of their mechanics onto other monsters 00:39:10 and remove weak shit like tentacled monstrosities from zot spawns 00:39:20 @??tentacled monstrosity 00:39:21 tentacled monstrosity (03X) | Spd: 10 | HD: 23 | HP: 96-149 | AC/EV: 5/5 | Dam: 22, 17, 13, 903(constrict) | 05demonic, 10doors, amphibious, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(160), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2965 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 00:39:26 @??killer klown 00:39:26 Killer Klown (00p) | Spd: 13 | HD: 20 | HP: 124-175 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 3012(klown) | 10doors, see invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(160) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 4737 | Sp: blink [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:39:28 @??death cob 00:39:28 death cob (08z) | Spd: 25 | HD: 14 | HP: 77-106 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 3513(drain speed) | 07undead, 03plant, 10doors, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2287 | Sz: tiny | Int: human. 00:39:46 klowns are really weak too yeah, I think cobs are ok since they have drain speed now 00:39:52 and 25 speed 00:40:43 I think some of the weaker dragons could be dropped too 00:40:54 like you don't really need to spawn fire dragon and ice dragon in zot 00:40:55 I've wanted to do that, yeah 00:41:12 storm, shadow, and golden are probably fine 00:41:16 golden is ok, storm and shadow are prob ok yeah 00:41:40 is quicksilver drag in the zot spawn pool 00:41:42 bone dragons dont' spawn in Zot? Huh 00:41:54 I think they used to 00:41:56 hellmonk, no, and I thikn they should be 00:42:07 I'll look into that later 00:42:07 you could drop purp drac and put in quicksilvers for the cancel if you really want cancellation to come up 00:42:08 there was talk of reworking bone dragons some time ago 00:42:18 Iron dragons also don't spawn in Zot, what? 00:42:24 iron dragon (10D) | Spd: 8 | HD: 18 | HP: 99-135 | AC/EV: 20/6 | Dam: 25, 2509(claw), 2507(trample) | see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(160), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown | XP: 1720 | Sp: metal splinters (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 00:42:24 %?iron dragon 00:42:31 fr: make iron drag not slow 00:42:32 I'm going to massage this spawn data for sure 00:42:41 iron dragons aren't incredibly interesting 00:42:43 and are also slow 00:43:02 3d30 that only checks ac is alright I guess 00:43:32 there's enough stuff going on in Zot/Vaults:$ making it so you can't treat iron dragon like any other slow monster 00:43:56 sorry? 00:44:40 idk, my experience with iron drags is usually tabbing them to death 00:45:05 -!- protopulse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:45:20 !lg * recent place=vaults:5 s=ckiller% 00:45:23 2752 games for * (recent place=vaults:5): 381x a titan (13.84%), 148x an ancient lich (5.38%), 146x a stone giant (5.31%), 146x an ettin (5.31%), 145x a tengu reaver (5.27%), 135x a yaktaur captain (4.91%), 125x a vault warden (4.54%), 98x a deep elf high priest (3.56%), 96x a shadow dragon (3.49%), 91x a vault guard (3.31%), 86x a frost giant (3.12%), 85x a fire giant (3.09%), 80x a tentacled mon... 00:45:42 tmons do more than iron dragons 00:45:45 that's about what I figured it would look like 00:45:48 and tmons don't have ranged 00:45:58 being slow is always a detriment to a monster 00:46:02 tmon deaths in vaults 5 are probably from people trying to stairdance the entire floor 00:46:07 right 00:46:22 !lg * recent place=vaults:5 ckiller=iron_dragon 00:46:23 28. laz the Devastator (L24 DgWz), blasted by an iron dragon (spray of metal splinters) on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault) on 2016-09-16 08:45:46, with 552056 points after 82609 turns and 3:38:57. 00:46:45 so like 1% of all kills 00:47:03 I think most of the time if someone's dying to an iron drag they would have also died to another drag, and probably would have died faster 00:47:24 speed 10-ification would help them out, they're not that bad 00:47:41 iron trolls have a similar problem, but maybe those are helped out by deep troll packs 00:47:47 make them... fast??? 00:47:52 yeah, or if you really want them to move slowly for some reason (why) you could do speed 10 move:120% or whatever 00:48:03 iron trolls are fast in hellcrawl 00:48:06 !lg * br=depths recent s=ckiller% 00:48:08 5193 games for * (br=depths recent): 311x a stone giant (5.99%), 218x a frost giant (4.20%), 213x a spark wasp (4.10%), 212x a caustic shrike (4.08%), 192x a fire giant (3.70%), 185x a spriggan air mage (3.56%), 180x an ettin (3.47%), 175x an iron giant (3.37%), 147x a juggernaut (2.83%), 139x a very ugly thing (2.68%), 139x a deep troll earth mage (2.68%), 131x a spriggan berserker (2.52%), 126x ... 00:48:18 !lg * br=depths recent ckiller=iron_troll 00:48:19 107. won the Warrior (L21 MiMo of Vehumet), slain by an iron troll on Depths:1 on 2016-09-28 19:26:12, with 375486 points after 48749 turns and 2:40:04. 00:48:37 iron trolls can be bad if you let them get hastemighted and then don't do anything about it 00:48:37 they do a little better than their dragon-kin 00:48:44 not by a lot though 00:49:02 !calc 131.0 / 107 * 2.52 00:49:03 3.09 00:49:07 er 00:49:18 !calc 107.0 / 131 * 2.52 00:49:19 2.06 00:49:42 looks like they outdo deep trolls, so that's something 00:49:51 plain deep trolls, I mean 00:49:56 huh 00:50:09 !lg * br=depths recent ckiller=deep_troll 00:50:10 126. irum the Phalangite (L24 MfMo of Okawaru), slain by a deep troll on Depths:1 on 2016-09-24 11:03:41, with 469077 points after 49395 turns and 2:11:39. 00:50:14 sorry, scratch that 00:50:19 but about the same 00:50:35 however they are less common than those, so really it does apply 00:51:01 I think you only die to either if you let the shaman buff them, and iron trolls do benefit a whole lot from hastemight 00:51:01 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:51:04 yes 00:51:10 @??deep troll shaman 00:51:11 deep troll shaman (00T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 36-57 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 27, 2009(claw), 2009(claw) | 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40), 08blind | Vul: 08holy | XP: 873 | Sp: haste other [11!AM], might other [11!AM], minor healing (2d6+3) [11!AM, 04emergency] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 00:51:13 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:51:14 I would bet that about 95% are buffed when they get a kill 00:51:28 sicne they get haste+might often times 00:51:34 iron dragons don't get anything like that 00:51:40 @??deep troll 00:51:40 deep troll (08T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 44-65 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 27, 2009(claw), 2009(claw) | 10doors, see invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(40), 08blind | XP: 726 | Sz: Large | Int: human. 00:51:45 Huh, they have less HP than I thought 00:51:50 @??iron troll 00:51:50 iron troll (10T) | Spd: 7 | HD: 16 | HP: 76-104 | AC/EV: 20/4 | Dam: 35, 2509(claw), 2509(claw) | 10doors, regen | Res: 06magic(100), 05fire, 02cold | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 776 | Sz: Big | Int: human. 00:52:05 pretty silly when you compare them 00:52:22 make iron trolls speed 13 00:52:31 then they would be....moon trolls.... 00:52:35 @??moon troll 00:52:35 moon troll (11T) | Spd: 12 | HD: 18 | HP: 85-117 | AC/EV: 20/4 | Dam: 35, 2509(claw), 2509(claw) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(140), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison | XP: 2760 | Sp: b.corrosive (3d21) | Sz: Big | Int: human. 00:52:41 better than moon trolls, and we can't have that 00:52:42 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:52:50 well they'd still have no ranged attack 00:52:59 I don't necessarily have anything against slow monsters, especially if they show up in environments where you'll be fighting lots of other monsters and can't play the kiting game 00:53:04 hellmonk, you're new to dev, so I'll give you advice 00:53:10 beware the slippery slope 00:53:15 one day it's fast iron trolls 00:53:23 the next day someone decides moon trolls are redundant 00:53:29 next it's hair ogres 00:53:33 exactly 00:53:59 quick, is Big larger or smaller than Large? 00:54:05 larger 00:54:18 ??size 00:54:19 size factor[1/2]: For evasion purposes: spider form and bat form are tiny (factor 6), spriggans and felids are little (factor 4), halflings and kobolds are small (factor 2), trolls ogres centaurs and nagas are large (factor -2), hydraform is big (-4), and dragonform is huge (factor -8). 00:54:51 Big is, like, really big 00:55:02 some would call it 'great' 00:55:33 or even 'giant' 00:55:59 FR: Greater giant 00:56:08 Greater giantraja 00:56:36 frilled greater leopard bullgiantraja 00:59:03 !tell PleasingFungus kimnosuk wanted to share this powerful hep tech: http://i.imgur.com/wPLAHDt.gif 00:59:03 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:59:27 !tell PleasingFungus kimnosuk: I dare want him not to remove this strategy..haha 00:59:28 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:31 what is happening there? 01:00:38 innerflamed ancestor 01:00:48 allahu ackbar: dcss edition 01:00:55 should we bikeshed greatplayer and greaterplayer/ 01:00:58 *? 01:01:05 frilledplayer 01:01:07 nerd and supernerd 01:01:07 leopardplayer 01:01:31 be careful now or I'll push through another round of prefix smashing 01:01:44 CanOfWorms: I may need to put more warnings in the new dev orientation if you keep talking like that 01:01:57 there were warnings? 01:01:59 !!! 01:02:08 !tell PleasingFungus They even have a picture depicting this: http://i.imgur.com/7hWSPLg.png 01:02:09 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:02:26 FR: fakelang that restores great 01:02:44 fr: fakelang that prefixes every word with great 01:03:01 &dump 01:03:03 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/wormsofcan/wormsofcan.txt 01:03:21 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03:41 greatlang 01:03:48 You great the great like a great!!!! 01:04:17 You have escaped. Great! 01:04:53 Let it end in greatness! 01:05:04 very positive and uplifting imo 01:05:58 cwz players love drain: http://i.imgur.com/jcIclfO.png 01:06:18 9 actions in a single turn 01:06:20 dang 01:06:22 is that like 01:06:26 slowed player + hasted sonja 01:06:38 26 new posts!! 01:06:52 !tell pleasingfungus have you heard of spacing out your tumblr posts jeez 01:06:52 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:07:06 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:09:15 CanOfWorms: probably using a weapon untrained too 01:10:14 since even slow vs haste with dagger only gets you to like 6 actions/turn max, i think 01:11:37 Sonja (05K) | Spd: 14 | HD: 6 | HP: 26-35 | AC/EV: 2/24 | Dam: 9, 5, 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(10) | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 808 | Sp: blink, teleport self [04emergency] | Sz: small | Int: human. 01:11:37 %?sonja 01:11:41 sonja has multiple attacks, he's only getting double turned 01:12:00 ah 01:12:18 also wow 01:12:27 good thing entropy weavers can't wield weapons 01:12:39 entropy weaver (07p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 58-84 | AC/EV: 7/13 | Dam: 17, 17, 17, 17 | fighter, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 1006 | Sp: entropic weave | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:12:39 %?entropy weaver 01:12:46 yeah, agree 01:12:47 they can't? 01:12:54 no weapons flag 01:12:58 hm 01:13:00 see sonja's above 01:13:05 i'm pretty sure i've seen them throw rocks 01:13:10 you see here the 27 headed lerneaean hydra, wielding a quick blade of distortion 01:13:19 does that not require a weapons flag 01:13:21 it's holding it between its teeth 01:13:24 or am i crazy 01:13:28 doesnty: requires items, probably 01:13:31 I've not seen that myself 01:15:48 since throwable weapons got separated from wieldable ones, I would not be surprised if it only checked the items flag 01:16:29 Good lord demonspawn code was a mess. I had to refactor a few things and add in a couple really ugly special cases 01:16:38 I might refactor draconian job selection while I'm at it... 01:19:46 oh it seems they're much simpler since they don't have a load of special bands 01:19:48 no need to do that then 01:21:47 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:24:25 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:26:32 http://s32.postimg.org/pgw0cp1f9/image.jpg 01:26:46 hellcat, obv 01:26:59 *damncat 01:33:15 kimnosuk mentioned "spell noise" as a bad mutation 01:33:24 as in when you cast spells, there's extra noise 01:33:40 it might work in some context, but spells already make noise, of course 01:33:47 I guess the bad mut would elevate that 01:35:24 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:47 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest23136 01:38:41 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:40:06 -!- Guest23136 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:40:44 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:41:49 uggghgghghghggh 01:41:58 I spent 20 minutes wrestling with a stupid bug 01:42:01 then realized it's an off-by-one 01:42:09 I need to remember to not code past midnight 01:42:12 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:46:10 lest you turn into a code gremlin 01:46:26 too late for that, youre a roguelike dev 01:46:29 -!- paxed has quit [Quit: Hus sika metsään!] 01:47:12 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:47:41 -!- sgun__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:49:51 ... is _place_monster_aux actually called anywhere? 01:50:03 oh, it is 01:50:10 internal function, right 01:52:21 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52:55 it's the main function to actually place a monster 01:58:49 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:58:51 -!- paxed has quit [Quit: Hus sika metsään!] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:42 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:02:54 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:42 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:07:58 die() seems like a bad function name to have alongside monster_die() 02:16:51 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:18:32 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:21:17 really simple function names like that are often more about managing the crawl process/ main loop than anything for game logic 02:21:36 !source die 02:21:37 1/3. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dbg-asrt.cc#L838 02:21:41 !source die 2 02:21:42 Can't find die. 02:21:46 ok 02:21:49 !source die 3 02:21:50 Can't find die. 02:21:58 you don't find death, death comes to you 02:22:06 and yeah I know it's for the game itself 02:22:10 it just could be a bit more.. descriptive 02:22:51 I give up fixing this bug for tonight, tomorrow I'll figure out why putrid demonspawn keep getting placed even though I've removed all references to them 02:31:29 -!- Homage_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0.1/20160922113459]] 02:34:14 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:39:03 !lairendkills lairtemple 02:39:04 Lair End kills (lairtemple): 113x gammafunk_lair_ancient_temple (20.21%), 111x evil_forest (19.86%), 62x evilmike_catoblepas_cave (11.09%), 58x grunt_lair_end_beastmaster (10.38%), 40x hangedman_lair_tendril_chambers (7.16%), 38x hangedman_lair_in_review (6.80%), 38x wormcave (6.80%), 36x minmay_lair_end_frog_pond (6.44%), 32x guppyfry_lair_end_dragon (5.72%), 31x minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest ... 02:39:19 rocketing up there 02:39:26 gammafunk, are you working on any projects in particular re: crawl? 02:39:28 beating back the demons 02:39:37 noble... 02:39:41 scattered stuff 02:39:49 right now working on these vault submissions 02:39:52 chie has a new lair hend 02:39:56 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:39:57 "hot spot", which I'm editing 02:40:04 *lair end 02:40:08 fire creatures I take it 02:40:11 yep 02:40:17 it looks fun 02:40:32 want to do a depths encompass maybe 02:40:41 also thinking about what subtle tweaks could happen for Ba 02:40:47 magic regeneration 1 02:40:56 heh, they have MP+1 ! 02:41:13 I'd love something relatively subtle 02:41:31 Ha rmut is kind of a good example, neat QoL improvement, no real balance impact 02:42:04 we really do need more muts 02:42:27 that spell noise bad mut, I wonder if that would work in general as a bad mut 02:42:52 that's such a lovely idea I'm immediately adding it to my todo 02:42:58 many high level spells make tremendous noise already 02:43:03 but this would be caster-centered 02:43:08 and there are low end spells 02:43:11 yeah it might work! 02:43:16 if you go anywhere with it 02:43:20 credit kim...wait 02:43:35 kimnosuk 02:43:41 his idea, the korean player from cwz 02:43:55 he suggested to me "scary hair" for ba 02:44:05 his example was chickens puffing themselves up to scare things 02:44:10 it's cute, but hard to make work 02:44:10 haha 02:44:19 passive fear is probably pretty annoying and pretty strong 02:44:28 was thinking maybe a very short duration fear, but even then... 02:44:35 boo! 02:44:39 yes 02:44:41 -!- Shard1697_ is now known as Shard1697 02:44:46 good flavor, certainly 02:46:31 passive fear is like ridiculously good, enough that I could see it as a god capstone ability 02:46:59 yeah, and even if you balance it I worry about the annoyance 02:47:11 kimnosuk tried to maybe tweak it further to make monsters not move 02:47:20 but it ended up being like the ability used by certain sheep... 02:47:45 or rather equivalent to that status 02:47:53 it might work better if it's "monsters are frightened by you, and can't approach you" 02:47:55 I think some gods do passively sleep, don't they? 02:47:59 but otherwise work fine 02:48:00 oh 02:48:03 hrm 02:48:06 ru and uskayaw have sleep effects 02:48:12 !blame Lasty 02:48:13 I pronounce Lasty... Guilty! 02:48:17 yeah, I thought those were para? 02:48:20 or is it a mix 02:48:25 for usk I think it's only para? 02:48:25 I'm.. not actually sure now 02:48:26 ??usk 02:48:26 uskayaw[1/5]: God of ecstatic dance. Piety raises very quickly as you deal damage and drops very quickly over time. *: Stomp for AOE damage. **: Teleport through a line of creatures, confusing them. ***: on reaching this piety level, briefly paralyze all enemies in LOS. ****: On reaching this piety level, monsters share damage. *****: Telefrag any monster in LOS. 02:48:34 yeah it's para, but for ru... 02:48:35 ??ru 02:48:35 ru[1/8]: Ru grants great power to adherents who renounce the world by making sacrifices. Worshippers are periodically offered a choice of three sacrifices, and gain piety for accepting one of them. The offers are refreshed more slowly if you ignore them, more quickly with faith. Removing faith causes the next sacrifice to be delayed with no piety loss. 02:48:40 ??ru[2 02:48:40 ru[2/8]: Granted powers: 1* Aura of Power: Attacking enemies falter and/or attack themselves or other enemies. 2* Aura of Power: Enemies that damage you can receive statuses. 3* {Draw Out Power}: restore health and mana. 4* {Power Leap}: jump three tiles and explode at destination. 5* {Apocalypse}: deal huge damage and inflict statuses to everything on screen. All powers scale with piety. 02:48:42 ??apocalypse 02:48:42 apocalypse[1/3]: Ru's 5* ability. Deals heavy damage to all enemies in LOS and can add statuses like mute, paralysis, and slow. Costs about 1.5 to 2 skill levels of drain. Very loud. 02:48:54 receive statuses 02:49:00 so that probably does include some sleep 02:49:03 wouldn't loud spell mut just be shout mut but slightly different 02:49:10 well 02:49:10 I guess it'd mess with buffing up out of sight 02:49:17 shout mut is you shout when monsters come into los 02:49:36 loud spell mut is you get noise at your position when you cast spells 02:49:41 so they're not exactly the same, however 02:49:50 I suppose one problem with it is that many chars don't use spells 02:50:01 I guess that's not different than getting wild magic on a mibe though 02:50:08 but yeah this would be literaly every spell you cast 02:50:15 as opposed to a chance for shouting 02:50:16 you bellow the cantrip!! 02:50:26 the Brian Blessed mutation 02:50:27 You shout: BLIIIIINKKKKK!!!! 02:50:57 even better. You shout: APPPOOOOOOORRRRRTTTT!!!!! 02:51:15 APPOOOOOOOORT the Orb. The Orb shrieks! 02:51:21 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:51:24 also good with meph and and the BATTLEMAGE meme 02:51:29 s/and and/and/ 02:51:53 would be funny if it added text of you yelling the name of the spell 02:52:18 that's certainly possible but some players would complain about message spam 02:52:23 wouldn't be hard to code though 02:52:31 yeah I'm not sure if the idea is truly great, but seems like it could work! 02:52:40 wrt the mutation itself 02:54:47 if you get shoutitis with qaz, it should be an invocations boost 02:55:25 DIIISAAAAAASTER!! 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:52 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:01:15 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest26537 03:02:36 gammafunk, are you following the arguments on tavern about HE/DE? 03:02:44 I saw the thread 03:02:51 I mean I think the idea is silly 03:03:01 but I'm not sure if any intelligent suggestions have come out of it 03:03:18 I don't think much of it either but losing high LBl/Bows seems like it maybe kind of has an impact..? 03:03:21 DE are one of the most successful instances of an apt tweak species, to me 03:03:29 perhaps, yeah 03:03:31 !apt de 03:03:31 DE: Fighting: -2*, Short: 0, Long: -1, Axes: -2, Maces: -3*, Polearms: -3*, Staves: 0, Slings: -2, Bows: 1, Xbows: -1, Throw: 0, Armour: -2, Dodge: 2, Stealth: 3, Shields: -2, UC: -2*, Splcast: 3!, Conj: 1, Hexes: 3, Charms: 4!, Summ: 1, Nec: 2!, Tloc: 1, Tmut: 1, Fire: 1, Ice: 1, Air: 0, Earth: 1, Poison: 1, Inv: 1, Evo: 1, Exp: -1, HP: -2, MP: 2! 03:03:39 I mean, they're bows +1 03:03:49 long -1 03:03:51 !apt long 03:03:52 Long: HE: 2!, Mi: 2!, Mf: 1, Te: 1, HO: 1, DD: 0, Hu: 0, Fo: 0, Fe: N/A, Vp: 0, Ha: 0, Op: 0, Dr: 0, Na: 0, Ce: -1, Ds: -1, DE: -1, Gr: -1, Dg: -1, VS: -1, Gh: -1, Tr: -2, Sp: -2, Ko: -2, Mu: -2, Og: -3* 03:04:10 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:04:14 !apt bow 03:04:15 Bows: Ce: 3!, HE: 3!, Sp: 2, Ha: 1, Te: 1, DE: 1, Mi: 1, Ko: 0, Op: 0, Gr: 0, Hu: 0, Fe: N/A, VS: -1, Gh: -1, HO: -1, Dg: -1, Na: -1, Dr: -1, Ds: -1, Fo: -2, Vp: -2, Mf: -2, Mu: -2, Og: -3, DD: -3, Tr: -4* 03:04:20 wow, spriggans are that high 03:04:26 yeah, surprised me too 03:04:31 and Ce have top end covered 03:05:00 for lbl perhaps it's a bit odd that there's no "longblade" species like how we do 03:05:00 hrm 03:05:00 !apt staves 03:05:00 Staves: Mi: 2!, Te: 1, HE: 0, DE: 0, Op: 0, Na: 0, Dr: 0, Fe: N/A, Gr: 0, Fo: 0, Hu: 0, Ko: -1, Gh: -1, Ds: -1, Og: -1, DD: -1, HO: -1, VS: -1, Dg: -1, Ce: -1, Mu: -2, Mf: -2, Tr: -2, Vp: -2, Ha: -2, Sp: -3* 03:05:22 but there's no such staves species either, again in terms of a species being uniquely the best for that skill 03:05:32 re: apt tweaks, I think Te is successful at that too 03:05:42 obviously they have flight/talons but it's fairly minor 03:06:04 -!- Guest26537 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:06:07 Te...yeah Te feel like a decent mix of some restrictions, a movement gimmick, and nice apts but bad defenses 03:06:12 !apt te 03:06:13 Te: Fighting: 0, Short: 1, Long: 1, Axes: 1, Maces: 1, Polearms: 1, Staves: 1, Slings: 0, Bows: 1, Xbows: 1, Throw: 0, Armour: 1, Dodge: 1, Stealth: 1, Shields: 0, UC: 1!, Splcast: -1, Conj: 3!, Hexes: -3, Charms: -2, Summ: 2!, Nec: 1, Tloc: -2, Tmut: -2, Fire: 1, Ice: -1, Air: 3!, Earth: -3*, Poison: 0, Inv: -1*, Evo: 0, Exp: 0, HP: -2, MP: 1 03:06:32 they sort of have a lot of random magic schools they're not good at 03:06:37 but air is their focus 03:06:52 what I like about Te is that they genuinely feel like birds of prey. fragile but goes straight for the damage 03:07:01 Mf aren't as successful at that 03:07:06 the 'feel' I mean 03:07:23 heh, yeah I tend not to play them since, if I want the magic I go DE and if I want melee....I choose a species not so weak 03:08:02