00:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:08 that error is from systemctl 00:00:26 i'm not sure if ubuntu 16.04's systemd is set up to support services with only sysv init scripts 00:00:33 you may need to write a unit file for the webtiles server 00:02:03 well 00:02:07 -!- Doesnty has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:40 I guess it's those lsb scripts for logging 00:02:45 yeah 00:02:47 that'd be my guess 00:03:01 so really you don't have to do much other than tweak those messages 00:03:52 actual starting and stopping is done by the script itself 00:04:32 if you wanted to fully convert it to a systemd script, you could certainly do that 00:04:46 but then this script probably becomes basically unused 00:05:40 -!- hieropants has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:05:43 espais: but yeah you can either remove/modify those calls to the functions like log_daemon_msg and log_end_msg and log_warning_message 00:05:55 that are sourced from /lib/lsb/init-functions 00:06:06 or you can make a valid systemd thing, if that's what you're using 00:06:52 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:07:43 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:10 sorry about that, 2 year old with a 102 deg fever 00:10:38 nothing to be sorry about 00:10:40 so utils/webtiles is in my dgamelaunch-config folder 00:10:45 take care of the kid 00:10:56 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 00:11:24 that's what i did 00:11:29 that kid is a future crawler! top priority task! 00:11:35 ha, yea 00:11:43 she was blissfully watching toy story for about an hour 00:12:03 then as soon as i got active in the chat it was total meltdown 00:13:04 so in terms of the ubuntu setup...do i need to modify the init.d script then? 00:13:37 espais: yes, you can tweak the script if you like 00:13:43 I mentioned which functions it is calling 00:13:53 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:06 but ideally you'd modify it to be valid for systemd 00:14:20 gotcha 00:14:29 this level of bash is something i haven't really messed with yet 00:14:38 i'll play around with it and get back 00:14:51 so just for simplicity's sake, those functions have systemd analogues? 00:16:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:17:44 -!- hellmonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:18:02 eh, i'll look around, simply commenting them out didn't do much 00:18:14 -!- packet_loss has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:18:15 espais: you still get the error? 00:18:15 perhaps if i convert it over to systemd that might be useful 00:18:18 yea 00:18:20 so 00:18:28 modified /etc/init.d/webtiles to comment out those functions 00:18:29 you might have missed a function 00:18:39 unless if its not one of those 3, i shouldn't have 00:18:43 i used a vim regex 00:18:45 could be there's another, yeah 00:18:51 they all start with log_? 00:18:56 maybe there's another 00:19:58 espais: it's possible that just sourcing in the script is doing it 00:20:05 can you comment out that lsb funciton sourcing? 00:20:31 and if that doesn't work, you can pastebin your current script and we can look 00:22:20 making progress by commenting that out 00:22:25 now getting real errors that i'm fixing 00:25:40 okee dokee 00:25:52 so got it to run, but it seems now that the service doesn't stay alive 00:26:05 it might be dying 00:26:08 due to configuration problems 00:26:09 for that 00:26:20 that's possible, i might've mixed up something permissions-wise 00:26:30 sudo tail -f /home/crawl/DGL/crawl-master/webserver/run/webtiles.log 00:26:39 if that's the correct path 00:26:40 was just about to ask about which log file to look at :D 00:27:03 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:27:17 tail shows its removing a stale pidfile 00:27:35 actually those are the only 2 entries there 00:27:53 what you probably want is to run it not through the script 00:28:01 to test it 00:28:10 you can also disable writing to the log file 00:28:20 there's an option for that in config.py I think 00:29:11 then as root run yourself PYTHONPATH=/home/crawl-dev/tornado/ python ./server.py 00:29:50 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:54 ah but you'll need to cd to the path %%CRAWL_BASEDIR%%/webserver 00:29:57 before running that 00:30:08 where that %% var is replaced with the actual chroot path 00:30:18 which it should already be in your /etc/init.d/webtiles script 00:30:35 so you can cd to that path (as root) and run that command I put a few lines up 00:30:42 yea 00:30:57 hmm 00:31:04 so 00:31:08 there is no tornado in crawl-dev 00:31:23 or crawl 00:31:33 ah 00:31:37 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1714-gcab94ab (34) 00:31:48 that's because this script uses a patched 2.7 tornado 00:31:48 !serverstats 0.18 00:31:57 258114 games for * (0.18): 100039x cao [3259], 59181x cbro [1997], 33576x cue [1198], 32994x cxc [973], 15918x cwz [607], 7585x cjr [341], 4774x cpo [294], 2629x lld [115], 1418x cdo [70] 00:32:09 espais: in https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:server:setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles 00:32:11 i didn't do the troubleshooting notes part as i didn't see the tornado error 00:32:13 there's some instructions for patching 00:32:17 yea, thanks gammafunk 00:32:23 there are instructions to download a repo and patch it 00:32:29 yea that's the guide i followed 00:32:38 so i'll need to do the tornado section then too i assume 00:32:42 yes 00:32:58 alright, i'll give that a try 00:32:59 I forget if that patch is still needed 00:33:13 but your script is assuming that tornado is there 00:33:22 I think it's needed for pre-webtiles-changes 00:33:30 probably it's still required 00:33:46 I think later tornado added a different argument doing what edlothiol's patch does 00:34:28 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:34:49 yeah 00:35:19 so that patched version is still required for current webtiles, although we could probably port webtiles over to a more recent tornado 00:35:32 I think webtiles-changes didn't have much to change when doing so 00:35:48 I was the one who ported it...at least I think...but clearly I don't remember 00:36:14 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:36:18 @??goblin 00:36:18 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-5 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 00:36:52 hm. are there ever reasons to use gsc instead of uc with Tr? 00:37:19 re minmay's post here: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=292211#p292211 00:38:31 ok, so after some hemming and hawing 00:38:37 python server.py works 00:38:50 !apt tr 00:38:51 Tr: Fighting: -2*, Short: -2, Long: -2, Axes: -2, Maces: -1, Polearms: -2, Staves: -2, Slings: -4*, Bows: -4*, Xbows: -4*, Throw: -1, Armour: -2, Dodge: -2, Stealth: -4*, Shields: -2, UC: 0, Splcast: -5*, Conj: -3*, Hexes: -4*, Charms: -4*, Summ: -3*, Nec: -2, Tloc: -3*, Tmut: -3, Fire: -3*, Ice: -3*, Air: -4*, Earth: -1, Poison: -3*, Inv: -1*, Evo: -3*, Exp: -1, HP: 3!, MP: -1* 00:39:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:39:35 i think i messed up some permissions along the way...i have to sudo to run it (chroot error) 00:39:37 but i can figure that out 00:40:01 not any very good reason to use gsc, no, as a tr 00:40:47 I suppose if you found some really amazing m&f quite early 00:41:21 however you're preventing yourself from using a shield and have no guarantee of statue form 00:41:35 so wonderful, thanks guys 00:41:46 np 00:41:50 <3 00:41:52 -!- espais has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:45:43 just wondering if it would be possible to merge Tr and Og. it seems having a weapon only for large creatures is pointless if they prefer to use claws 00:46:48 i guess once Ba goes in the way forward should become a bit clearer 00:50:44 they're close enough that removing one and merging them wouldn't be much different 00:51:42 -!- Alter-Ego is now known as AltReality 00:51:54 the only situation where a weapon on tr makes sense is an insane trog randart 00:52:21 (or you're going pure throwing but then you use a weapon at 0 skill) 00:52:30 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:53:38 what do you mean 'pure throwing'? Is there enough ammo to do that? 00:53:43 yup 00:54:04 large rocks low mulch rate, I guess. Do you have to kill less than 'everything you find with o'? 00:54:22 you still kill rats etc. with 0 skill melee like on other ranged chars 00:54:39 re useless weapons, I don't like that either but otoh scythes and clubs exist 00:54:55 surprised that any weapon is better than claws at 0 skill for Tr 00:55:38 0 skill claws is 9/10 dam/delay, plenty of enchanted weapons will beat that 00:56:31 plus if you're going throwing you should wield a long blade while throwing now 00:57:55 out of interest do you see species as something that should be balanced against each other? 00:58:20 yes but i know the devteam consensus is no so i don't bother arguing for it 00:58:55 same for backgrounds, gods, skills 01:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:04 ok, and how many species out of the current set do you think crawl should have? 01:01:07 and species beauty, in which case he'd argue that HE removal is a beauty nerf 01:01:22 nah, all elves are equally beautiful 01:01:31 *except* 01:01:34 duvessa 01:01:38 who is plain 01:02:04 fuccboi 01:02:34 chequers: you mean what's a good number of species to aim for, or which of the current species should exist? 01:02:46 latter 01:03:00 well, i'm interested in the former too now 01:03:05 after playing several Basajaun games I feel like large size isn't distinct enough and that it was mostly offset (up until now) by Ogre and Troll being so strongly differentiated/limited in other ways 01:03:25 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03:28 this would be an issue independent of Basajaun, I mean 01:03:32 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:03:47 I guess this is also mirrored in small size not really being strongly distinct for Ha/Ko 01:03:52 former depends a lot on what you want species to be (which is something that is terribly defined in current crawl because you have differences like HO and Hu vs. differences like Fe and Hu) 01:04:37 yeah, it's a bit too nebulous 01:04:55 whereas I figure you have strong opinions about how to cluster-merge existing species 01:05:34 I'm not minmay but I think Crawl has generally done a great job of differentiating species. The only changes I'd make are to soften Merfolk aptitudes slightly and take another pass at Og/Tr 01:05:50 latter, this is entirely my opinion, but I think about 15 of the current species would be fine with some work done on them (most are too close together or have non-fatal design problems, both fixable) 01:05:53 Outside these, and HE/Ba, I can't think of any species I'd outright merge 01:06:20 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 01:06:32 I'm not sure crawl's model really provides the design space for more species than that anyway. again though this is just my irrelevant opinion 01:07:02 minotaurs can't wear helmets 01:07:08 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:07:11 No, I agree somewhat on that front. There aren't enough levers to work with to self-differentiate without adding outside mechanics (Felid, Octopode, Vampire, Vinestalker all being good examples) 01:07:29 ??species 01:07:29 But adding more complexity into character stats is probably an outright won't-do 01:07:29 race list[1/1]: 0.18 races: Ce DD DE Dg Dr Ds Fe Fo Gh Gr Ha HE HO Hu Ko Mf Mi Mu Na Og Op Sp Te Tr Vp VS 01:07:35 I'm including Fe-like stuff in that model 01:07:58 * Brannock ponders a no-scroll species 01:08:06 hrm 01:08:12 exploring species removal by letter 01:08:17 lots of D 01:08:43 Brannock: that gets pondered a lot and will never be bearable to play while remove curse and identify are scrolls 01:08:53 I could still live with it if C D H M V were removed 01:08:57 minmay: thanks, I think it's worth repeating often on the tavern this is how you see species since it's different to the general devteam opinion and current crawl reality 01:09:12 oh and F 01:09:21 hrm, G can stay I guess 01:09:27 F is a must-remove though 01:09:41 kill: DD DE Gr Ha HE HO Ko Mf Og Te Vp 01:09:49 sorry for humans, I like them, but H has some good ones to remove 01:09:50 chequers: "merge Tr/Og/Ba" is a statement I'm making within what I believe to be the current crawl reality 01:10:24 minmay: yeah, the post I linked I think you make a really strong case for your argument 01:10:58 hrm, maybe killing all of D would be unwise 01:11:05 I insist on keeping Dg 01:11:12 that's now how this game works 01:11:16 *not 01:11:17 chequers: like, let's say you do it the really naive way and have a species that's good with GSCs, good with claws, and good with spells, but has crap defenses; that could provide what people like about all 3 races 01:11:43 easier said than done as far as balance, but you get the idea and it's not like current Og/Tr are balanced! 01:12:07 !hs . Tr 01:12:08 6. johnstein the Brawler (L16 TrBe of Trog), blasted by Mara (illusionary) (bolt of fire) on Spider:3 on 2014-12-07 22:56:53, with 135532 points after 34343 turns and 3:38:37. 01:12:12 :C 01:12:21 I don't think you can have 15 balanced species 01:12:28 !goodplayer 01:12:28 you do lose the flavour of getting to play as an early D monster and also getting to play as a slightly deeper, stronger version of that monster, though 01:12:29 johnstein is a goodplayer: 11 wins. 01:12:30 LIES 01:13:34 minmay: if crawl ever gets a difficulty slider that would probably the strongest possible reason to balance species against each other 01:14:34 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:14:41 if crawl got a difficulty slider 01:14:48 species wouldn't get balanced against each other 01:15:28 chequers: let's take a smaller example: if you changed Tr's maces apt to +3, it'd barely change their balance, and cover I'm guessing around 90% of why people play Og 01:16:20 agree 01:16:35 !lg * won og sk!~maces 01:16:36 1161. bluepin the Slayer (L27 OgNe of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2016-09-27 14:45:07, with 19223740 points after 79621 turns and 7:04:26. 01:16:50 damn demon whips 01:16:50 who trains maces to 27 before fighting 01:16:55 not the right query 01:17:02 ogres have a surprisingly decent polearm aptitude 01:17:09 fifteenskills 01:17:11 !lg * won og sk~polearm 01:17:12 Broken query near '~polearm' 01:17:16 ~~ 01:17:18 what's the issue with Tr/Og? 01:17:19 oh god not the ridiculous polearm ogre discourse again 01:17:22 !lg * won og sk~~polearm 01:17:26 3. clouded the Ogreish Porcupine (L27 OgGl of Okawaru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-12-12 20:42:21, with 1277807 points after 115936 turns and 7:25:38. 01:17:34 minmay, I didn't realize this was an ongoing discussion? 01:17:40 again sk is not the right query 01:17:41 I only noticed it today while going over aptitues for large races 01:17:49 s/aptitues/aptitudes 01:17:56 gammafunk, what is the correct query? 01:18:01 fifteenskills 01:18:10 -!- Suga_H has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:10 Lightli: 3 is a large number of big melee races with lots of hp and not-lots of ac and ev 01:18:13 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:18:25 3? Tr and Og are two 01:18:41 !lg * won og fifteenskills~~polearms 01:18:41 basanjakdasdbangadkgjhk 01:18:42 10. koboldina the Ogre Mage (L27 OgNe of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2016-08-26 07:05:56, with 11565679 points after 145695 turns and 10:22:43. 01:19:25 !lg * won recent og fifteenskills!~~maces 01:19:27 31. johnnyzero the Ogreish Blade (L27 OgMo of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-08-28 14:30:49, with 1782150 points after 61418 turns and 4:31:36. 01:19:35 !lg * won recent og 01:19:36 398. bluepin the Slayer (L27 OgNe of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2016-09-27 14:45:07, with 19223740 points after 79621 turns and 7:04:26. 01:19:56 very close with your 90% 01:20:00 ...my 90% guess was more accurate than expected 01:20:24 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1714-gcab94ab (34) 01:21:38 anyway this isn't something i'm going to fight for like making eating take a single turn or making traps trigger upon entering los or getting rid of a bunch of items and allies or not bullying duvessa in her description. just thought I could explain myself better 01:22:00 much clearer now 01:22:07 if we were serious about consolidating all redundancies among species 01:22:11 pretty sure we wouldn't have 01:22:14 what, is it 26? 01:22:23 !lg * current trunk s=crace% 01:22:28 382733 games for * (current trunk): 54810x Demonspawn (14.32%), 27202x Octopode (7.11%), 27132x Minotaur (7.09%), 22067x Deep Elf (5.77%), 21081x Draconian (5.51%), 18268x Gargoyle (4.77%), 18009x High Elf (4.71%), 17752x Vine Stalker (4.64%), 17538x Formicid (4.58%), 16484x Hill Orc (4.31%), 14007x Mummy (3.66%), 12604x Merfolk (3.29%), 11344x Human (2.96%), 11124x Spriggan (2.91%), 11023x Troll ... 01:22:30 !lg * current trunk s=cdist(crace) 01:22:32 ERROR: aggregate functions are not allowed in GROUP BY 01:22:36 !lg * current trunk x=cdist(crace) 01:22:41 382734 games for * (current trunk): cdist(crace)=27 01:22:45 !lg * current trunk x=cdist(crace) playable 01:22:51 382709 games for * (current trunk playable): cdist(crace)=26 01:23:57 we can remove food to make a drastic change 01:24:09 then we can remove mummies to reduce the species count 01:24:27 sure, but there has obviously been SOME consolidation in the past since several species were removed, it's not useless to discuss a little more consolidation occasionally 01:25:04 Crawl could use some pruning but looking over the species list nothing seems egregious to me aside from High Elf 01:25:05 p.s. removescrollsofnoise 01:25:09 why? 01:25:15 yeah I'm just mentioning this for the benefit of the more impressionalable members of the channel 01:25:22 *impressionable 01:25:30 Mf and Te are pretty similar to HE/DE imo 01:25:33 they're scrolls of random uselessness (also remove those because they're scrolls of paper) 01:25:55 I disagree on both counts. I use ?noise at least a few times a game because shouting isn't strong enough 01:26:00 and Gr is a bag of weird stuff stuck together 01:26:14 Vp is fiddly so remove it :P 01:26:18 the species similarity that most stands out to me right now is HO and Mi, the difference is helmet memes and Mi weapon choice isn't a no-brainer 01:26:54 most crawl species are a bag of weird stuff stuck together 01:26:58 or rather many new ones are 01:27:04 HO are much better at magic than Mi 01:29:19 Mi still isn't significantly worse at "hybrid" magic than Hu, since it saves xp with higher weapon/fighting/armour/dodging apts 01:29:37 chequers, I think Mf/Te/DE are just different enough to pass muster, especially when flavor is accounted into the formula. You have a fragile full-mage (and bow) species, a glass cannon that can blast and slash, and an average-health utility/ice poker. 01:29:51 HE was the species blurring all three together 01:30:03 it doesn't fare much worse at it than HO either, certainly HO is better at pure conjuring than Mi but...why are you pure conjuring with either species 01:30:13 !apt HO 01:30:14 HO: Fighting: 2, Short: 0, Long: 1, Axes: 3!, Maces: 1, Polearms: 1, Staves: -1, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: -1, Armour: 1, Dodge: -2, Stealth: -1, Shields: 1, UC: 1!, Splcast: -3, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: -1, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: -2, Tmut: -3, Fire: 1, Ice: -1, Air: -2, Earth: 0, Poison: -1, Inv: 3!, Evo: 0, Exp: 0, HP: 1, MP: 0 01:31:16 The only really bad aptitude is Tmut, really 01:31:27 -3 Splc is bad but workable 01:31:56 tmut is irrelevant as HO 01:32:01 That as well 01:32:26 gammafunk: i think felid and octopode are good examples of species with a single key gimmick 01:32:29 if you set out to play unarmed HOTm it is actually a lot worse than MiTm because of worse unarmed+dodging apts 01:32:48 those don't have a single key gimmick 01:33:02 unless you're stretching that definition, in which case Gr has one 01:33:17 if you're going to point at apt differences to make the point that HO is much better at spellcasting than Mi (which I don't think is true) surely you would be looking at the charms and necro apts since those are differences of 3 and are actually relevant 01:33:46 That was meant to be implicit under "the only bad aptitude is Tmut" 01:34:30 chequers, fast movement, stealth, multiple lives, severe equipment restrictions, pawstabbing, gourmand, spellcasting aptitudes seem like a lot of keys to me 01:34:31 gammafunk: Op's ring are its defining feature, it has other gimmicks but they are not important to the species 01:35:03 well that is false 01:35:23 I can't defend the claim for felids though, extra lives and huge item restrictions are both defining features and utterly unrelated 01:35:25 yeah, I guess Fe has fast movement and multiple lives, the rest aren't really "defining" for me 01:35:37 not item restrictions? 01:35:46 anyhow what Gr has is a "key gimmick" in the sense of what crawl allows for that 01:36:19 I guess "can't use weapons" is also pretty defining 01:36:58 LITERALLY TEAR THE W KEY OFF YOUR KEYBOARD 01:37:24 not wearing armour ends up being "pretty defining" for whatever definition of defining that we're using; crawl just doesn't have a single notion of what is essential to a species 01:38:47 -!- Zeor1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:41:29 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:41:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:42:06 list of defining features. Hu: well designed | DE: pretty ears | DD: wand of heal wounds | HO: dude orc jesus lmao | Ha: nobody remembers they exist | Ko: people played kobe a lot in like 0.8 for some reason 01:42:34 kills me every time you don't mention HE golden hair 01:42:41 that feature was *defining* 01:43:06 I just realized I forgot to change HE golden hair to green hair for Fen Elf 01:43:08 RIP that PR 01:43:18 oh my 01:43:21 green hair? 01:44:49 minmay: of the species that don't make the cut of 15, which is your favorite 01:45:24 this is like arrhythmia's desperate ranking for Ds/Dr, but the trick is it requires less work for the OP 01:45:41 to play, or design wise 01:45:52 give me one of each 01:46:03 or both, I guess 01:46:09 again, of those that don't make the cut 01:46:15 Ko is like a god made spriggans and another god got jealous and went all copycat but couldn't figure out how to give them fast movement 3 and accidentally reversed the polarity of their digestive systems 01:47:57 that darn Xom 01:48:33 I'm guess Ko was the "to play" one 01:48:33 I'll go with Og/Tr (one would stay) as a player because I like killing things in small numbers of keypresses 01:48:40 oh 01:49:07 i'm trying to make a vault, and I think you were lying about the swastika thing minmay 01:49:10 i keep making love hearts 01:49:17 you mean dongs? 01:49:26 is that what they call dongs in australia 01:49:34 as a designer I'll go with Fo because it's unique but its unique features don't really lead to interesting gameplay imo 01:50:31 chequers: you see, this is the difference between euclids and chebycabs 01:51:15 my love of 90 degree angles leads me on a path of accidental swastikas, your secret fetish for circles will result in accidental nutsacks 01:52:24 gammafunk: didja know that in the north hemisphere dongs twirl clockwise but in the southern hemisphere they spin counterclockwise 01:52:25 moon base is free of nutsacks 01:52:50 oh crap. it's not a heart, it's a nutsack 01:52:56 I even put the dividing line down the middle 01:53:13 you know what they say, when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nutsack 01:53:14 http://dpaste.com/2S2VTNM 01:53:39 chequers: TAGS: no_rotate no_hmirror, problem solved 01:53:44 no_vmirror* 01:53:50 I need a theme for my depths encompass masterwurk 01:53:56 dwarves 01:53:56 perhaps it should simply be nutsacks 01:53:59 elves 01:54:08 giants 01:54:13 those are all basically nutsacks 01:54:14 octagons 01:54:15 when you think about it 01:54:24 hexagons 01:54:35 dodickahedron 01:54:36 spin cycle is basically a lot of very big nutsacks 01:54:54 chequers: I will mention that to r-i some time 01:55:01 okay if it was your goal to make me regret bringing this up, you've accomplished it 01:55:43 I wouldn't seriously mention it to r-i 01:56:21 chequers: what would be funny would be if we convinced johnstein to host sound support on cbro 01:56:44 SUBST: - = . G:2 p:7 01:56:45 KMONS: p = plant 01:56:45 it would be terrible and bad, but also good 01:56:49 why doesn't this create plants 01:56:54 gammafunk: clearly it belongs on cjr first 01:56:58 true 01:57:12 !commit add sound support to cbro 01:57:12 just ask zibudo to make the frontpage music play constnatly 01:57:13 03johnstein ⛐ 0.19-a0-1211-ga97182e: add sound support to cbro 10(in the future, 26 files, 243+ 885-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a97182e 01:57:16 outmeme the koreans 01:57:40 I do forget about how the weights go in subst 01:57:43 I think that's right though 01:57:44 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1714-gcab94ab 01:58:05 do you do something to the - before those lines? 01:58:15 oh, haha 01:58:25 I was testing by regenerating the level and autoexploring to the vault 01:58:30 but to make that easier I was using &G 01:58:40 heh 01:58:41 I've done that 01:58:50 I want to hack that thing that freezes time 01:58:55 so that you can autoexplore past monsters etc 01:58:58 would be super handy 01:59:00 step from time? 01:59:06 well, yeah for wizmode 01:59:16 the & thing 01:59:21 is it &E? 01:59:26 I've got a big collection of appropriate frontpage music 01:59:34 or change &G to just not remove firewood 01:59:37 that might be easier 01:59:45 well no you don't want that 02:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:06 I guess it could be "all but firewood" 02:00:24 but even so it'd be nice if the freeze time thingy allow autoexplore/travel 02:00:36 use the zerkwaltz rcfile 02:02:36 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:04:01 http://www.cowmuffins.net/labamba.it.mp3 play this on the cjr front page 02:04:42 !tell zibudo http://www.cowmuffins.net/labamba.it.mp3 play this on the cjr front page 02:04:42 gammafunk: OK, I'll let zibudo know. 02:05:39 gammafunk: i would welcome that improvement to &E. i tried doing it a couple times but delay code is way more complicated than just setting turn_is_don = false or whatever the thing is that works for normal movement 02:05:58 yes, I figured it would involve diving into some scary things 02:06:39 can't you just &Gharmful 02:06:51 amalloy: I wonder if you could kind of do something with player-monster visibility under &E? 02:06:59 as in, if you never actually see the monster...wait no 02:07:19 the monsters get to move while you're autoexploring 02:07:22 yes 02:07:26 er 02:07:33 sorry, what? 02:07:40 I mean you autoexplore/travel into them 02:07:41 &E does not work at all while autotraveling 02:08:10 right, I was positing that if you did something to monster visibility checks when &E is active 02:08:16 it would be possibly a simple change 02:08:36 or change &G to just not remove firewood 02:09:00 perhaps. you probably know better than i do. i'd worry about stuff like messing up the mlist area 02:09:01 this is almost exactly what &Gharmful does in practice, only difference is that it keeps good neutral/friendly monsters if those are somehow on the level (ely altar vault i guess) 02:09:14 yes that'd be an ok fix for some cases, but the idea is that &E should work well with traveling/explore 02:09:33 -!- Pekkekk has quit [] 02:09:40 I'll put it on my amazing todo 02:09:59 !learn edit gammafunk[2] s/$, let &E work with autotravel/explore// 02:10:00 Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/REGEX/REPLACE/opts 02:10:45 !learn edit gammafunk[2] s|$|, let &E work with autotravel/explore|| 02:10:46 Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/REGEX/REPLACE/opts 02:10:51 gammafunk: I should really just tie up the loose ends in my mod music collection and upload the whole thing somewhere, but it probably has something illegal buried in it 02:10:52 !learn edit gammafunk[2] s|$|, let &E work with autotravel/explore| 02:10:53 gammafunk[2/5]: TODO (for real): depths encompass map, some other thing I forgot, let &E work with autotravel/explore 02:11:51 imagine if it was on youtube and you could request it in twitch streams 02:11:55 or on soundloud 02:11:59 *soundcloud 02:14:01 mp3/ogg/opus renderings with decent quality would probably total to about a terabyte so i'm not fond of that idea 02:14:40 (the mod files total to about 5 GiB) 02:14:44 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 02:15:54 I wonder how people do mass-uploads like that, since I'm sure they must 02:15:56 ??options 02:15:57 rcfile[1/4]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt 02:18:55 -!- hellmonk_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:19:08 -!- packet_loss has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:19:13 it's not even a matter of that it's a matter of my upload speed is roughly 3 mbps on a good day 02:20:40 so if I wanted to upload 1 TB of junk it'd take a month at best 02:21:04 yeah, although if you automated it and ran it in certain hours 02:22:17 then amalloy joins google and the entire youtube website goes offline due to massive code refactorings, so I take your point 02:23:04 actually it'll be worse than just youtube 02:23:10 apparently i'll be on the Network Control team 02:23:33