00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:25 !apt hd 00:00:26 Could not understand "hd" 00:00:59 there are only two commits referencing 'hill dwarf' 00:01:04 %git bfd0d11 00:01:04 07kilobyte02 * 0.10-a0-1538-gbfd0d11: Tweak the hill dwarf description. 10(4 years, 11 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bfd0d11832f8 00:01:06 fun fact: 00:01:09 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1697-g0595f0e (34) 00:01:10 %git bfd0d11~2 00:01:11 07|amethyst02 {kilobyte} * 0.10-a0-1536-g7b30451: A new addition to the gallery of extinct species. 10(4 years, 11 months ago, 2 files, 15+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7b3045176acf 00:01:19 aren't hill dwarfs gone? 00:01:34 very very gone 00:01:36 thats the joke 00:01:42 that's half of the joke 00:01:44 %git 67ff47f 00:01:44 07haranp02 * 0.3-a0-495-g67ff47f: Removed hill dwarves. 10(9 years ago, 5 files, 23+ 90-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/67ff47f25420 00:01:56 (changelog suggested to call new-halfling hill dwarf) 00:01:57 the other, more important half of the joke is: mountain dwarves 00:02:03 I can't remember what distinguished them from mountain dwarves anymore 00:02:08 very little 00:02:10 or if hill dwarves were even a thing 00:02:20 -!- kdrnic has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:02:37 wow, they just did not care about save compat back then 00:02:40 slightly different aptitudes, i think 00:02:41 they were, but as the commit just above says, removed in 0.3 00:02:46 very unflat aptitudes 00:02:59 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/67ff47f25420#diff-67ba8bea3661636e80eae823bb53daa2L344 here's the apts for hd & md 00:03:03 not a lot of us folks from back then left, I guess :) 00:03:16 no player revolt? 00:03:22 bring back the days when you could throw needles 00:03:25 !apt ho 00:03:25 HO: Fighting: 2, Short: 0, Long: 1, Axes: 3!, Maces: 1, Polearms: 1, Staves: -1, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: -1, Armour: 1, Dodge: -2, Stealth: -1, Shields: 1, UC: 1!, Splcast: -3, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: -1, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: -2, Tmut: -3, Fire: 1, Ice: -1, Air: -2, Earth: 0, Poison: -1, Inv: 3!, Evo: 0, Exp: 0, HP: 1, MP: 0 00:03:30 -!- zeia has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:03:55 hill dwarf was basically identical to mountain dwarf (and it wasn't small so the changelog comment about halflings doesn't make much sense) 00:03:56 ha, that commit also tweaks MD 00:04:02 elliptic: diminutive! 00:04:07 i was very careful with my wording 00:04:16 to not use the word "small", which has a technical meaning in crawl 00:04:18 yes I know 00:04:21 haha 00:04:37 (it was still an amusing comment) 00:04:44 more importantly, what the heck was SK_RANGED_COMBAT 00:05:16 oh man, awesome, this was long enough ago that they still had a SK_UNUSED_1 placeholder where SK_GREAT_SWORDS was 00:06:12 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:06:26 more proof of crawl's continuing reductionism to brain dead skill system. Soon there will just be SK_FIGHTING and SK_MAGIC and SK_OTHER 00:07:43 hrm, apparently it was a predecessor to SK_THROWING 00:07:58 or a temporary replacement for it? 00:08:03 %git e301d18c8ff880246d068b2081225a2385df206d 00:08:03 07jpeg02 * 0.3-a0-868-ge301d18: Reintroducing Throwing. 10(9 years ago, 14 files, 135+ 105-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e301d18c8ff8 00:08:21 %git 1d0f57cbceb778139ca215cc4fcfd1584951f6dd 00:08:21 07greensnark02 * 1d0f57cbceb7: Merged stone_soup r15:451 into trunk. 10(10 years ago, 180 files, 39016+ 25829-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1d0f57cbceb7 00:08:26 oops 00:09:19 bonus, high-quality commit: "337bb8fc79: Tweaked javelins so they're pure throwing, no polearm skill involved" 00:09:38 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:09 "It’s probably no longer possible to drown." 00:12:11 dare 2 dream 00:15:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:15:46 hmm 00:15:56 is book_of_the_dead used as a fixed tile or something 00:16:20 too bad we don't have that rainbow book either, I was going to post it as a reply to the fixed book tile thread 00:17:32 i think it corresponds to some random book description 00:18:43 no, it's just a random non-randart book tile 00:19:30 I should add some new book tiles to the todo list 00:19:33 after like 00:19:39 finishing up sif tiles and salt tiles 00:20:05 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:47 uh fyi: I'm not sure yet why adrenaline_rush isn't working 00:25:20 failed development boys 00:25:33 hm, speaking from experience? 00:25:37 ;) ;) ;) 00:25:46 that was the joke yeah 00:25:58 i don't do 'jokes', sorry. 00:26:16 nice joke mr funny speaker man 00:27:42 hmm. it works when I fire it up via the server 00:27:48 err. logged into my vps 00:31:24 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 00:32:14 ^vps 00:32:15 CBRO disk usage=95% | RAM usage=35% | uptime/CPU= 00:32:14 up 682 days, 9:51, 5 users, load average: 22.60, 9.70, 4.30 00:32:35 I done honked things up 00:32:49 wait Sp, Ha, Ko, can use 3bows, but not longbows? 00:33:05 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:34:44 longbows are too big :v 00:36:51 johnstein: i'm assuming you've noticed the 95% disk full 00:37:23 yea. but that's not the issue 00:37:44 trying to start the experimental appears to do nothing in console 00:37:57 but it actually does create a game 00:38:04 and it starts honking up the cpu 00:38:27 if I chroot directly into the chroot, I can manually run the exe and it loads up just fine 00:38:33 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0/20160916101415]] 00:38:35 ^vps 00:38:35 CBRO disk usage=95% | RAM usage=20% | uptime/CPU= 00:38:35 up 682 days, 9:57, 4 users, load average: 0.74, 3.35, 3.19 00:42:01 ah. doh. inprogress directory wrong permissions 00:42:01 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:42:53 !watchlink cbrotest 00:43:14 !tell Lasty IT'S LIVE! 00:43:14 johnstein: OK, I'll let lasty know. 00:45:11 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:49:23 johnstein: interesting missing inprogress directory causes CPU to spin 00:49:32 what process was spinning? crawl? or the webtiles server? 00:49:58 fwiw I always forget to create that directory for forks and webtiles-changes logs an error message 00:50:01 looked like crawl. and I had to do a kill -9 to actually kill the process 00:50:24 ^vps 00:50:24 CBRO disk usage=95% | RAM usage=20% | uptime/CPU= 00:50:24 up 682 days, 10:09, 3 users, load average: 0.48, 0.76, 1.73 00:52:57 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:38 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:08 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:03:17 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:05:55 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. 01:50:38 good find 01:51:22 I think the survey is getting close to completion. It's quite short, final steps are a) figure out if any burning questions are missed, and b) test it on a few more people to make sure there are no glaring errors 01:51:39 please ping me if you'd like access to check it out 01:51:54 cc |amethys1 in particular (and fyi Keskital1) 01:55:32 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:49 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1697-g0595f0e 02:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:12 -!- eb has quit [] 02:04:37 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 02:08:08 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:11:12 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Client Quit] 02:18:53 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:20:25 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:25:59 hah, just noticed HP is back to a bar 02:26:04 what was wrong with the number display 02:31:29 -!- escu_ is now known as escu 02:35:27 another cwz splash image: http://webzook.net:8080/static/title_steelcold_fannar_with_ice_magic.jpg?v=1d21c5753064998eb12c9f2ab42c2989 02:35:44 that is one big ol' ice beast, I guess 02:41:19 have you tried posting on the cwz message board? 02:41:57 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:42:25 about the art? no, but there's a cyc thread in tavern 02:42:36 from a user who was spectating my cwz game 02:42:48 so I might mention it to him in that thread 02:49:38 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:53:22 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1697-g0595f0e 02:53:47 -!- H is now known as Guest79093 02:53:50 -!- Guest79093 is now known as Suga_H 02:55:35 it would make a pretty memorable release for all the offline players if you doubled the number of art pieces, imho 02:55:53 and I feel these art pieces are nice and "sketchy" in a way that will make others think they could contribute 02:58:40 always nice when a cwz player makes the journey to tavern 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:43 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:05:39 are pieces have standards applied to them in the same way we have standards for tiles 03:06:04 and while those standards are not especially high and shouldn't be too high, not all those pieces will be appropriate 03:06:40 if we wanted to just increase the number of splash images dramatically we could do that, but the goal is to choose some of the best art that people can make, not choose all of it 03:06:48 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:55 but definitely some of those cwz images are worthy to be official splash images 03:07:22 anyhow this was already agreed, getting permission from the artists is the only issue, aside from agreeing which are good enough to include 03:07:37 s/are pieces/art pieces/ 03:08:51 yeah, i'm not saying "throw open the gates" 03:09:00 but it's been a while since the loading art has changed 03:10:01 it hasn't been that long, we just don't get too many submissions 03:10:22 would be cool if there was clear way for the ones that go to cwz to get submitted to us as well 03:10:28 but hong is a hard man to track down 03:10:29 yeah 03:10:45 %git 1480111ae9fd4ea1be33c648c811aab4db547fb4 03:10:45 07ontoclasm02 * 0.16-a0-354-g1480111: Duvessa/Dowan splash screen (Baconkid via Bloax) 10(2 years, 1 month ago, 3 files, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1480111ae9fd 03:10:51 it looks like that was the last title screen accepted 03:11:40 -!- packet_loss has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:12:38 well we don't have a timeframe for when we'll accept art (every two years) 03:12:41 we just need good submissions 03:12:59 I would not put all of these cwz images as splash screens, but certainly some of them 03:13:44 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1697-g0595f0e (34) 03:15:14 otoh if the team collectively decided they didn't mind the less professional/lower quality art, that's a direction we could go, but I doubt we'd want that; we have a decent set of splash images already 03:15:58 I think people mentioned making splash images of the felid vs starcursed mass and that mino on v:5 03:22:19 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:23:32 -!- Smashy has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 03:27:44 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Thank you so much! 07:30:03 Lasty: You have 4 messages. 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Use !messages to read it. 10:16:40 I last saw Lasty at Mon Sep 26 12:25:55 2016 UTC (1h 50m 45s ago) joining the channel. 10:31:57 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:33:00 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:33:28 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:33:53 -!- Keskital1 is now known as Keskitalo 10:34:29 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 10:35:11 -!- thrig has quit [Changing host] 10:39:20 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:09 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 10:56:07 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0/20160916101415]] 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:14:35 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 11:20:11 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:53 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 11:38:30 -!- neofelis has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:15 -!- jdeeny has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:50 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:37 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:55:37 -!- HolyRage has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0.1/20160922113459]] 11:59:11 -!- protopulse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:12 -!- Suga_H has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:03:00 -!- ChongLi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:48 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:46 -!- protopulse has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:51 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 12:14:04 -!- miek_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:14:44 -!- adelrune has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18:11 Is get_menu_colour_prefix_tags the preferred way to get a colored item name? Is there a reason it is named that? 12:18:30 *a reason the function is named that 12:18:35 <|amethys1> not a good reason 12:18:48 <|amethys1> patches welcome :) 12:18:51 -!- |amethys1 is now known as |amethyst 12:19:08 Sure, might do that tonight 12:19:41 <|amethyst> menu_colourise maybe? probably you can come up with a better name :) 12:19:51 is it strictly menu related? 12:20:03 I used it for the result of an ID scroll reading yesterday 12:20:49 <|amethyst> it is menu-related in that the menu_colour option is what controls those colours 12:21:12 <|amethyst> but they're used in a few places that aren't menus 12:21:25 <|amethyst> before your identification message even 12:22:03 <|amethyst> e.g. the weapon/quiver display in the stat panel uses that 12:23:00 Perhaps the menu_colour option be item_colour? plus the ripple of changes from that 12:23:17 Seems like that is getting way out of scope 12:23:28 <|amethyst> it is used for things that aren't items, though 12:24:19 <|amethyst> mostly items, but it's also used (or claims to be used) for notes, spells, resistances in the % screen 12:24:22 <|amethyst> etc 12:25:22 Can't spend time on it right now, but I'll dig in tonight. Can think about function naming in the back of my head for awhile. 12:25:36 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:36 thanks for the info 12:25:46 <|amethyst> np, cheers! 12:28:52 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:40 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:37:25 is it bad form to ask if someone feels like looking at my pull request? 12:37:33 * neofelis is unsure of the etiquette in contributing to things 12:37:41 *proper etiquette 12:37:51 inexcusable. banned 12:37:58 which pr is this? 12:38:05 369 12:38:38 I am mostly asking cause I'm sure it's bad which makes seeing comments on it especially good for me 12:38:59 i think there was some chat about that the other night 12:39:12 (also because with Rupert the current behaviour is actually dangerous but if I'm honest that's only the less important reason) 12:41:53 -!- dexap is now known as paxed 12:42:40 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:43:36 hrm 12:44:09 -!- sgun__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:44:25 why does _monster_spellbooks() still exist in your pr? 12:44:32 couldn't you just replace it with monster_abilitybooks? 12:45:24 hmm. the thing is _abilitybooks assumes it will only get one book 12:45:43 ah, hm 12:45:49 I tried and failed to come up with something which could a) take all abilities (always one book but must sometimes be split in two)... 12:46:07 ...and b) take (frequently multiple, never-to-be-split) magical books 12:47:13 it doesn't matter if magical books are never split 12:47:55 <|amethyst> magical abilities could be an issue at some point 12:49:11 <|amethyst> spells and divine abilities wouldn't be, because flags can only add, not remove, silenceability 12:51:05 maybe it's better to write a function that splits a book by silence flag, and then call that in _monster_spellbooks if the monster has abilities 12:52:01 <|amethyst> without having looked at your code yet, that sounds reasonable 12:52:01 like, take the single book of abilities, remove it from the books vector, and insert the two resulting books into it 12:52:18 actually I have no idea why I decided against that 12:53:03 <|amethyst> BTW, look at std::partition 12:53:52 <|amethyst> you'd still have to do the moving from one vector to another, but that will at least put the silenceable and non-silenceable spells together in a single vector 12:53:54 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 12:54:26 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:03 <|amethyst> hm 12:55:20 <|amethyst> actually, remove_copy_if (followed by an erase) sounds even better 12:56:34 -!- Ultraviolent4 has quit [Quit: shafted] 12:57:14 mm. the books come (from get_unique_spells) as a vector of vectors of spells. I think I can just take one element of that, split it in two, erase it and then insert the resulting halves 12:57:46 which makes rather more sense than the code currently in the pr. that function could then be, like, four lines with remove_copy_if 12:57:50 ya 12:57:51 give me a minute! 12:58:06 <|amethyst> and you save a step 12:58:19 <|amethyst> because you don't need to remove the original and insert the halves 12:58:50 I think I do? They need different descriptions 12:58:51 <|amethyst> but rather remove_copy_if things into the second vector, then erase() out the 'removed' elements from the first vector 12:59:39 <|amethyst> oh, I guess your labels do have to change 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:04 <|amethyst> I was just thinking about moving the spell_types between the two spellbook_contents::spells 13:01:08 yeah, the labels changing thing is what I meant by "different descriptions" 13:01:21 that would still be rather more readable code. 13:03:28 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:34 okay, one more question: if I rewrite the thing, do I then pull, rebase the branch, then push 13:04:54 or just push and then when you merge it works anyway? 13:05:01 er, if you merge, rather 13:05:06 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1697-g0595f0e (34) 13:05:26 <|amethyst> you don't have to worry about rebasing onto HEAD 13:05:33 <|amethyst> you can if you want 13:05:57 <|amethyst> but probably you do want to rebase at least off the parent, so you can squash your commits 13:06:41 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:07:15 <|amethyst> if you do rebase or otherwise rewrite history, you will need push --force 13:08:00 okay, thanks 13:08:25 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:51 -!- royiv has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:23:06 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:23 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:28:39 i'd like to go on record as saying that infestation is Pretty Fun 13:28:41 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:33:14 -!- cait_m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34:12 yay 13:34:30 i'm still yet to cast it in a real game, i should do that! 13:35:27 -!- removeelyvilon_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:37:41 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:37:48 -!- removeelyvilon_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:38:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:47 MarvinPA: if ##crawl is to be believed, i am in the same boat, only having cast it in an offline "game" 13:43:53 shameful! 13:44:17 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:44:41 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 13:45:09 -!- Pinkbeast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:45:24 wow nice, someone finally did the trap thing for real: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/54kdyv/psa_if_you_die_to_traps_you_only_have_yourself_to/ 13:45:52 yeah i saw that 13:45:53 -!- duralumin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:45:58 did you know that brogue tracks which squares you've stepped on? 13:46:15 doesn't actually display it, but does use it for mouse pathing, apparently 13:46:17 i didn't! i've played nethack variants that do though 13:46:23 they recolour the floor tiles, it's cute 13:46:26 heh 13:48:45 if only this'd been posted a couple of weeks ago, would've been another good talk example! 13:50:05 i actually considered it 13:50:14 but it's sort of depressing because we don't really have a good solution... 13:51:13 this is the point where minmay pops up says "traps should trigger on entering los!" i guess 13:51:25 and says* 13:52:08 see, he doesn't even need to now! 13:52:14 we'll do it for him. very convenient... 13:56:31 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:12 -!- cait_m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:14 -!- Kranix has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:04:12 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:36 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:00 -!- AndChat|179025 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:07:40 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:13:05 -!- n1 is now known as n1k 14:13:17 -!- n1k is now known as n1 14:20:35 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:25:43 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:34 -!- Adeon_ is now known as Adeon 14:33:15 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:36:45 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:37:52 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:40 -!- neofelis_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:53 -!- neofelis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:46:35 -!- neofelis_ is now known as neofelis 14:53:01 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:38 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:14 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18:19 -!- Suga_H has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:24 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:33:59 -!- Suga_H has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:15 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:38 !tell greensnark PR for Lasty's new experimental logs/stones for sequell. https://github.com/crawl/sequell/pull/62 15:40:38 johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:40:38 johnstein: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 15:42:20 -!- HolyRage has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:42:26 -!- HolyRage_ is now known as HolyRage 15:43:53 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:53 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48:46 -!- fusentrap has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:51:42 -!- ChaseSP has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:53:20 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:20 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:33 -!- Guest89784 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:58:31 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:31 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:41 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:37 hey, I cast Infestation for fun Before It Was Cool! 16:17:37 gammafunk: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:27:01 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:28:06 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:23 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:29:35 bad news gammafunk 16:29:47 I entered sunken palace and lived 16:37:00 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:41 -!- Ge0ff has quit [] 16:45:17 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 16:48:58 damn! 16:49:21 .splatratio canofworms 16:49:22 % of xl17 chars killed : 1/7x wormsofcan [14.29%], 10/26x wormsofcant [38.46%] 16:49:49 too few games to be sure on wormsofcan 16:50:08 !lairendkills lairtemple 16:50:09 Lair End kills (lairtemple): 108x evil_forest (20.22%), 104x gammafunk_lair_ancient_temple (19.48%), 59x evilmike_catoblepas_cave (11.05%), 56x grunt_lair_end_beastmaster (10.49%), 38x hangedman_lair_tendril_chambers (7.12%), 38x hangedman_lair_in_review (7.12%), 38x wormcave (7.12%), 34x minmay_lair_end_frog_pond (6.37%), 30x minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest (5.62%), 29x guppyfry_lair_end_dragon ... 16:50:19 !!! 16:50:26 evil forest is making a comeback 16:50:36 it's pulled ahead for over a week now 16:50:47 I've been complaining that you can win against demons 16:50:51 *can't win 16:51:54 !lm * curent trunk br.end=lair / lg:place=lair:6 kmap!= 16:51:54 No keyword 'curent' 16:51:58 !lm * current trunk br.end=lair / lg:place=lair:6 kmap!= 16:53:00 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:18 1223/27761 milestones for * (current trunk br.end=lair): N=1223/27761 (4.41%) 16:59:05 -!- ChaseSP has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:59:05 -!- neofelis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:59:10 -!- Guest89784 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:15 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:07:57 -!- ChaseSP has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:08:21 -!- JimmahDean has quit [] 17:08:53 -!- neofelis has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:54 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:10:48 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:15:15 %git 9f329295a812c66bda487c611eac158e043a89cf 17:15:15 07ontoclasm02 * 0.19-a0-285-g9f32929: Dart slug tile 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9f329295a812 17:15:20 %git 55e7268ae88ec5353ba83a10d7e765a573e75c8c 17:15:20 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1393-g55e7268: Reveal dart slugs' yellow streak 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/55e7268ae88e 17:18:58 did anything happen regarding that "desperate haste" idea? 17:19:14 yes, it's on beartato 17:19:14 ??c-r-d 17:19:15 c-r-d[1/2]: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss 17:20:57 how much EXP do you need to recharge the haste once it's used 17:21:03 lots 17:21:09 I assumed that 17:21:12 in terms of XLs 17:21:17 twenty seven 17:21:29 rip 17:21:41 maybe twenty eight 17:22:15 %git :/rune 17:22:15 07Lasty02 * 0.19-a0-1633-g0c75abd: Switch desperate haste from rune timer to XP timer 10(8 days ago, 3 files, 28+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0c75abd52eb5 17:22:21 Lightli: see that commit message 17:22:29 thanks 17:22:36 no, THANK YOU!!! 17:22:43 WELCOME!!! 17:22:47 GREAT!!!!!! 17:23:18 so I rewrote the pr, messed up the git magic, closed it and opened a new one. I apologize here as well as in the message there 17:23:23 also the code is still not amazing. 17:23:38 All Code Is Beautiful 17:24:03 New branch created: pull/372 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/372 17:24:03 03neofelis02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/372 * 0.19-a0-1687-g7a122fc: Make silencable abilities display correctly in xv, for real. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 39+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7a122fc81346 17:24:38 in retrospect 17:24:45 maybe TrBe wasn't the best candidate to test desperate haste 17:25:06 desperate. your turn 17:26:25 I recommend trying desparate haste with MuSu 17:26:43 *desperate 17:27:11 just wait until actual haste reform ends up being increased haste potion generation 17:27:17 the final real final nail in the coffin for musu 17:27:20 For Real This Time 17:27:25 you wouldn't do that, MarvinPA! 17:27:31 good riddance! 17:28:11 if we removed food, what terrible, marginal perk would mummies get? 17:28:27 use your bandages for a special choking attack 17:28:47 constriction? 17:28:49 wow, ANOTHER constriction race 17:28:50 haha 17:29:13 go hardcore on the blowgun air bladder thing. add more bladders. ink bladder 17:29:13 uh, not only is it *not* constriction, it would have a *totally* different sound in webtiles 17:29:25 you... know that webtiles doesn't do sound, right 17:29:32 well, actually... 17:29:36 cwz webtiles does, apparently! 17:29:42 lmao 17:29:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WN4FmrJdFo 17:29:47 i'd forgotten. you're right 17:30:06 -!- NeremWorld has quit [] 17:30:20 wow that's a 5 hour video 17:30:21 the constriction sounds are pretty funny, I got constricted by a tmons in swamp 17:30:27 only part 1! 17:30:28 gammafunk really likes crawl with sounds 17:30:42 my twitch streams usually take 8-9 hours 17:30:52 wins, that is, not in the same session ofc 17:31:00 how bad was the lag? 17:31:08 pre bad after a while! not bad at first 17:31:14 it became inconsistent, hence way more annoying 17:31:15 weird 17:31:23 heh 17:32:15 the weirdest thing about watching this after playing brogue: going diagonally around corners 17:32:21 hah 17:32:36 wow, brogue doesn't have diagonal corner usage...? 17:32:42 -!- beogh has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:32:43 nethack does that with broken doors 17:32:46 it's very weird and hard to get used to 17:33:30 you can't move or attack diagonally around walls, *unless* you're using a cleaving weapon, in which case the cleaving weapon affects stuff that you couldn't hit normally 17:34:21 ha, i love that you replaced the console window with a slideshow of the splash screens 17:34:43 yeah, seemed the most reasonable thing 17:34:44 got the amulet for the first time today, then died on the ascent in the most frustrating way possible 17:34:49 oh, wow 17:34:58 how long did it take you to learn Brogue? 17:35:03 I still need to learn Sil as well 17:35:05 i started playing like, uh 17:35:32 friday 17:35:33 -!- tmt has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:35:44 -!- Zxpr2jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:35:51 well, that's not too bad. probably knowledge of nethack+dcss will help me along, but I'm more interested in Sil 17:36:07 i like it a lot more than sil 17:36:12 you would! 17:36:16 there's a lot less... tedium........... 17:36:35 how's your s key 17:36:50 lol 17:37:11 gammafunk: lmao @ the falling sound in cwz 17:37:14 yes 17:37:20 AAAAAAaaaaa 17:37:24 I won't spoil the bonus thing that happens right after that 17:37:26 but it's appropriate 17:37:30 powerful shaft technology 17:37:49 i'm watching you die to an ant right now 17:37:52 do you know if they replace those kind of sounds with cat sounds if you're playing felid? 17:37:58 lol 17:37:59 yep, after that I redo my skilling so I have more MP 17:38:21 then we're good and have no problems, save for some near-death stupidity again with poison 17:38:29 i blame those poison noises 17:38:52 poison sounds, hunger sounds, ugly thing sounds, there are a few standouts for how awful they are 17:40:39 important points: they have unique sounds for all the shield of gong messages, "giants moaning", torment sounds like you're reacting to a bad joke 17:40:39 GONNNNG! 17:40:43 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:08 huh, the scroll noise sounds like it's from diablo 17:41:22 it probably is 17:41:31 yeah, NOPE said that as well 17:42:04 I asked in the cyc thread if kimnosuk knew where the sounds all came from 17:42:24 maybe he can post that question and the one about the cwz images to people who will know on the korean message boards 17:42:54 he thought that my gammafunkrc menu colors and random tile changes were awesome, so we can trust him 17:43:54 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:45:08 lol 17:46:02 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:08 my big issue with sil is the skill system. i feel like i'm basically supposed to be choosing a build at the start of the game (which is annoying, especially as there isn't any way to say "repeat last setup" as far as I can tell) and then slowly execute that build through the game, with little variation - not much adapting to item finds, etc 17:47:22 possibly this is because i'm bad! possibly skilled players would see things to react to that i don't 17:47:33 that seems really unlike how i play sil, yeah :P 17:47:46 not that i'd claim to be especially skilled 17:47:48 character creation is still annoying, though 17:47:54 are there any vids/termcasts of you playing, MarvinPA? 17:48:37 streams? podcasts? live performances? 17:49:25 hmm, probably not 17:49:31 i usually termcast but don't save recordings or anything 17:49:45 also, orcish archers are awful, but they're sort of designed to be 17:49:46 so i can't really complain about that 17:49:49 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:51:29 it was funny when I was playing Tiles, I sometimes forgot to see monsters on screen 17:51:58 you forgot to see...? 17:52:12 an orc warrior was right next to me, and I was dancing around a chunk 17:52:18 trying to figure out why I didn't pick i tup 17:52:35 probably just a bit of information overload being used to playing on console 17:52:50 lol 17:54:20 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:54:53 why are you more interested in sil? 17:55:18 gammafunk: re your message to kimnosuk, i'd suggest changing "artist" to "artist(s)" or something like that; seems a bit weird to imply they're all by the same artist 17:55:18 I'd probably consider it a better designed / more fun game, based on what I've heard of both 17:55:31 oh, sure 17:56:09 gammafunk: ? 17:56:12 amalloy: the file names list the artists, so there are multiple artists for sure 17:56:16 right 17:58:00 PleasingFungus: just based on conversations with like-minded players about the need to use allies in brogue, the searching/traps, the console UI, but yeah I'll certainly give brogue a shot, probably after I get somewhere in Sil 17:58:28 heh 17:58:29 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:58:37 I'd probably like Brogue a lot more than nethack, at least! 17:58:42 wow, damning 17:59:02 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:59:26 having played both, i'm definitely much more fond of brogue. the trap searching is dumb, but i really like how the game forces you to adapt to whatever items and allies you get (with some flexibility), and its environments and items are really good at creating interesting situations 18:00:01 -!- packet_loss has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:07 almost everything has multiple purposes. if you use your brain, you can solve problems in very clever ways, and feel very cool <- important part 18:01:36 lol, the roguelike discord has decided that i'm the one who made D 15 levels instead of 27 18:01:43 this is some high-powered memeing 18:01:56 is that person notcluie 18:02:05 "gloryseeker" and "plaid" 18:02:18 ah, don't think so, notcluie is Extremis last I checked 18:02:24 there are a few people in discord who seem to come from 4chan 18:02:38 and being the valuable insights from that community 18:02:42 heh 18:02:44 s/being/bring/ 18:02:45 such as? 18:02:54 well, notcluie being most notable 18:03:08 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:03:20 but some of the veteran players posting there have a 4chan-like tone 18:03:37 like ster., or whatever he's called elsewhere? 18:03:48 i feel like i should know who he is, i think he's on sa 18:04:25 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1697-g0595f0e (34) 18:04:39 -!- RTS has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:06:07 I'd thought of brogue as kind of a redesign/streamlining of some of the "cute hijinks" gameplay from Nethack, which is nice gameplay to experience every now and again 18:06:18 it doesn't feel very nethacky to me 18:06:49 it probably would to me, I've played more nethack 18:06:56 there's not really that sort of "special case" "devs thought of everything" design. everything is systems interacting with systems in a predictable (if not necessarily predicted!) way 18:07:09 well, i've played no nethack, so really i'm talking out of my b*tt here 18:07:22 brogue's too far in the adapt-to-stuff-you-find direction for me i think, although obviously that's by design 18:07:30 also when i played it allies were just super ridiculous 18:07:44 PleasingFungus: yeah, I mean "lots and lots of interactions" is what you get from nethack in the end, once you're spoiled 18:08:56 i really love the "adapt to what you find!" playstyle! allies can be pretty strong yeah, but it really varies 18:09:09 get a monkey one game, tentacle horror the next... 18:09:37 I think allies have gotten tweaks in brogue over time, but as I understand things they're still incredibly powerful and kind of necessary for the higher lumenstone wins 18:09:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 18:10:02 i think things got reworked since i won a few times, most of mine were off ridiculous allies plus wands of cloning or something 18:10:06 heh 18:10:17 guys were talking about someone who had four dragon allies 18:10:25 playing online earlier today, apparently (i guess there's a server? 18:10:47 console brogue is the most unbelievably ugly thing though :( 18:10:55 oh, is there a tiles brogue? 18:11:25 no, but there's pretty brogue 18:11:27 or i mean like, curses brogue rather 18:11:35 presumably console has to use 16 colours or w/e 18:11:37 sounds awful 18:12:08 it's v. bad :( 18:12:32 I see 18:16:06 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:17:26 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:18:19 wrt iron giants, i'm not sure they need to be buffed again 18:18:25 i think it might be good for them to be weaker than they were 18:18:45