00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:06 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=21507 <-- btw, does anyone have opinions on buffing faded altars? 00:00:18 specifically, I'm interested in making their worst-case outcome less bad 00:00:27 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1672-g679cadd (34) 00:00:55 their worst-case outcome is probably either xom or jiyva 00:01:03 not sure how to improve those 00:01:30 make the penalty for leaving less bad than god wrath I guess, didn't someone suggest that 00:03:24 faded altars are fine, i think. they're a bad choice for a lot of characters, but in my last game (GrWn) i decided i needed an early-game boost and it was worth the gamble; not a lot of gods would have been awful 00:04:17 as it was i rolled lucy, and had the exciting experience of trying to get banish online without starving myself of the xp needed to actually killdudes 00:04:37 i think it's fine, and in fact good, for faded altars to be situational 00:05:19 !lm . god.ecumenical s=char,god,won 00:05:20 Unknown field: won 00:05:26 !lm . god.ecumenical s=char,god,lg:won 00:05:26 Unknown field: won 00:05:35 !lm . god.ecumenical s=char,god / won 00:05:36 1/3 milestones for amalloy (god.ecumenical): 1/1x GrWn (1/1x Lugonu [100.00%]), 0/1x OgFE (0/1x Pakellas [0.00%]), 0/1x CeTm (0/1x Ashenzari [0.00%]) 00:06:03 !lm . god.ecumenical won 00:06:04 1. [2016-04-24 03:42:31] gammafunk the Chiller (L3 MuIE of Gozag) prayed at an ecumenical altar on turn 2070. (D:2) 00:06:24 what do you get as gozag "piety"? 00:06:38 do you get a PP? 00:06:41 you get one anyway 00:06:50 do you get another PP? 00:06:52 entry fee waived, clearly 00:06:56 oh, of course 00:06:59 oh, yeah 00:07:17 I sort of think that the faded altar bonus should be identical to the monk bonus 00:07:36 rather than being similar but a bit smaller 00:07:43 <|amethyst> yes 00:07:43 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:07:44 i think that was an early draft, and then the question was like, what about monks who worship at one 00:07:47 Mo bonus doesn't stack with faded altar, does it? 00:07:51 <|amethyst> it does 00:07:54 oh ok 00:07:55 <|amethyst> that would also be enough for Monk^Ecu to get *** 00:08:02 <|amethyst> with most gods 00:08:12 <|amethyst> 15 + 35 + 35 = 85, *** is 75 00:08:33 <|amethyst> right now it would get you to 70 00:08:41 -!- Lems has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:08:41 well it's fine to me, I wouldn't take them if I wanted to win outside of weird circumstances 00:09:35 but what about faded monk of gozag?? special cases are great 00:09:52 <|amethyst> also Ru 00:10:25 <|amethyst> hm 00:10:26 it would be simpler if monk just didn't stack with faded altar 00:10:43 <|amethyst> how so? 00:10:56 we wouldn't have to worry about these cases? 00:10:59 <|amethyst> seems like it would be more complex to avoid giving the monk bonus for ecumenical altars 00:11:23 well we have to decide what to give faded monks of gozag 00:11:27 if they stack 00:11:47 feels like a very niche case 00:12:23 <|amethyst> there isn't currently a special case in the code for faded monks of Gozag 00:12:36 <|amethyst> just the ordinary special cases for faded Gozag and for monks of Gozag 00:12:43 obviously gozag should offer you a coupon 00:12:48 what do monks of G currently get? 00:12:55 waived fee? 00:12:56 <|amethyst> 0 service fee 00:13:06 <|amethyst> handled in gozag_service_fee 00:13:26 elliptic: I would say getting eg Trog on a mage is also a worst-case outcome. Even if not bad in terms of winrate it might not be fun in terms of "getting to play as a mage" 00:13:40 <|amethyst> faded Gozag gets the same thing, handled in a different place (the 'fakepoor' unwind_var in _pray_ecumenical_altar) 00:14:11 0 service fee refers to the fee upon joining, right, just to be clear? 00:14:11 <|amethyst> oh, ecumenical altar does need a special case for Usk probably 00:14:14 <|amethyst> yes 00:14:42 I had a patch for gozag which would give you two free potion petitions -- mpa didn't like it and I generally agree 00:14:46 chequers: well if you want to play with a specific style then this altar is not intended for you 00:14:51 -!- packet_loss has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:53 -!- TMTurtle has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:15:24 elliptic: I'm not saying mages should all roll vehemut. I'm just saying a lot of ecu altar users may consider that a "worst-case" outcome 00:15:58 well it's demonstrably not a worse-case outcome for one, so they'd be wrong about that 00:16:09 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:09 if worse-case refers to "fun", the fun option is to not choose the faded altar 00:16:45 the ideal "fun" option for this hypothetical person would be a faded altar that lets them roll anything but trog -- or which gives them a way out if they do roll trog 00:17:41 for some hypothetical persons the ideal "fun" option would be a faded altar that gives them immediate 6* piety in their favorite god 00:17:59 i don't think that's so fun. like a lot of things, a big part of the fun in faded altars is gambling 00:18:04 if you never lose, it's not a gamble 00:18:07 wow pleasingfungus 00:18:08 my feeling is that a lot of people don't use faded altars right now because they feel the potential downside is too high. I think it's possible to make the worst-case outcome less bad, the altars would be more used 00:18:13 finally got rid of strange bald man avatar... 00:18:16 lol 00:18:24 that's no way to discuss the ceo of microsoft 00:18:57 also i fixed the busted image links in that post, if you want to refresh 00:19:01 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:19:12 chequers: is our goal to make the altars be more used? 00:19:25 <|amethyst> !lm * recent god.worship 00:19:29 <|amethyst> !lm * recent god.ecumenical 00:19:46 I certainly don't expect them to be used as frequently as a typical god altar 00:19:46 CanOfWorms: have you ever really looked at the boggart tile? 00:19:48 368350. [2016-09-22 04:18:15] leeh4208 the Firebug (L8 DEFE of Ashenzari) became a worshipper of Ashenzari on turn 5450. (D:6) 00:19:49 it's kind of amazing 00:19:54 yeah 00:20:06 16740. [2016-09-22 03:33:15] Specter the Firebug (L3 KoFE of Trog) prayed at an ecumenical altar on turn 1120. (D:2) 00:20:07 !source boggart.png 00:20:08 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/boggart.png 00:20:20 you need some magnification to see the eyes properly 00:20:33 4%! Higher than I expected 00:20:52 !lm * recent god.ecumenical / quit 00:21:18 2073/16740 milestones for * (recent god.ecumenical): N=2073/16740 (12.38%) 00:21:20 chequers: keep in mid a few of those god.worships are from 15 rune switching 00:21:21 chequers: faded altars are used more than altars of kiku, trog, nemelex, yred, zin, ely, fedhas, or xom currently 00:21:30 <|amethyst> and considering that they only appear in, what, 19% of games? 00:21:38 is it as low as that? 00:22:03 !lm * recent god.ecumenical s=god / quit 00:22:03 <|amethyst> CHANCE: 50 : 10% , they share a chance_ tag, and can appear on two dungeon levels 00:22:03 2073/16741 milestones for * (recent god.ecumenical): 159/773x Vehumet [20.57%], 142/785x Kikubaaqudgha [18.09%], 127/795x Sif Muna [15.97%], 126/833x Trog [15.13%], 120/835x Dithmenos [14.37%], 106/686x Fedhas [15.45%], 106/731x Yredelemnul [14.50%], 99/486x Pakellas [20.37%], 96/807x Nemelex Xobeh [11.90%], 95/774x Lugonu [12.27%], 89/781x Gozag [11.40%], 78/619x Elyvilon [12.60%], 76/807x Qazlal... 00:22:31 <|amethyst> so 10% chance of getting one on D:2, and if that fails 10% chance (9% unconditional) on D:2 00:22:42 <|amethyst> err, s/2$/3/ 00:22:48 12% quit rate after using a faded altar 00:22:59 <|amethyst> !lm * recent god.worship / quit 00:23:12 <|amethyst> !lm * recent / quit 00:23:14 <|amethyst> err 00:23:16 <|amethyst> !lg * recent / quit 00:23:23 116305/1347236 games for * (recent): N=116305/1347236 (8.63%) 00:23:23 2% 00:23:28 8060/368351 milestones for * (recent god.worship): N=8060/368351 (2.19%) 00:24:00 <|amethyst> odd that vehumet gets quit so frequently there 00:24:07 <|amethyst> I thought veh had weak wrath at low XLs 00:24:21 214210/7702256 milestones for * (recent): N=214210/7702285 (2.78%) 00:24:25 it's weirdly spiky, iirc 00:25:08 also people might just believe the meme that abandonment kills 00:25:09 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:25:17 isn't that ecumenical quits? 00:25:24 in which case it makes sense to me 00:25:34 !lm * recent god.worship D:2|D:3 / quit 00:25:49 <|amethyst> gammafunk: right, ecumenical veh quits 00:26:04 yeah, got veh on a "sword and board melee toon" 00:26:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:26:09 oopsie, I'll quit then 00:26:15 kiku, sif after that. 00:26:18 <|amethyst> gammafunk: but if you really didn't want a magic god, it seems you could just abandon Veh when you find a useful altar 00:26:27 oh, i did faded altar veh on a melee char once 00:26:28 that was fun 00:26:36 i abandoned eventually and just barely survived wrath 00:26:37 !lm * dswn god.ecumenical / quit 00:26:44 !lg * recent xl=7 / quit 00:26:46 <|amethyst> it's not like trog for book starts, where abandoning early is almost guaranteed to be fatal 00:26:46 2613/74551 games for * (recent xl=7): N=2613/74551 (3.50%) 00:26:48 I'm surprised by kiku quits. You'd figure the offer of pain branded melee is attractive 00:26:49 |amethyst: or you could just quit and roll again, since god wrath not something people want to deal with 00:26:49 !lg * recent xl=7 dr / quit 00:26:51 1038/4392 games for * (recent xl=7 dr): N=1038/4392 (23.63%) 00:27:11 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm * recent god.worship D:2|D:3 / quit 00:27:11 you're just looking at frequency of char types basically 00:27:11 12/253 milestones for * (dswn god.ecumenical): N=12/253 (4.74%) 00:27:15 heh 00:27:16 lot of melee characters played and you got a ~caster~ god 00:27:38 !lm * recent god=trog god.ecumenical quit s=cls 00:27:42 boggarts are in the "maximum priority" part of my big list 00:27:53 dang, maximum priority 00:27:54 lol 00:27:57 they're so lovable, though 00:28:05 they're crosseyed.... 00:28:07 chequers: you vastly overestimate how many players think highly of pain brands 00:28:09 they're the only remaining stupid hat now wiglaf is gone 00:28:10 126 milestones for * (recent god=trog god.ecumenical quit): 30x Fighter, 17x Transmuter, 14x Monk, 8x Wizard, 8x Skald, 8x Gladiator, 7x Fire Elementalist, 6x Enchanter, 5x Ice Elementalist, 5x Conjurer, 3x Assassin, 2x Warper, 2x Wanderer, 2x Summoner, 2x Earth Elementalist, 2x Air Elementalist, Necromancer, Chaos Knight, Venom Mage, Hunter, Artificer 00:28:20 CanOfWorms: they probably don't think of it at all, you mean? 00:28:21 <|amethyst> I guess I don't understand why you'd use a faded altar at all, if you're just going to quit if you don't like the result 00:28:35 <|amethyst> seems it would be more time-efficient to just wait for an altar you do want then 00:28:37 |amethyst: people do this all the time with Ds and Dr 00:28:37 in the SA thread alone I think everyone values necronomicon more than pain, for whatever reason 00:28:44 |amethyst: same reason people start-scum dr/ds/wn 00:28:49 yeah, and Wn 00:28:58 dirty scumlords 00:29:00 (the reason is probably necromut) 00:29:02 |amethyst: it's just modifying the conduct. "I'm going to faded altar if I get a god that is in the top 75% of enjoyment for me" 00:29:03 <|amethyst> I think maybe then we need to make faded altars less good? 00:29:13 if I ever saw anyone scum a Wn, I would delete their account 00:29:21 <|amethyst> if they're good enough that people who don't want randomness will still take them 00:29:24 !lg * wn s=name 00:29:30 343553 games for * (wn): 57400x Sebi, 9411x pigah, 7759x petzl, 7001x syban, 6354x firemonkey, 6217x Xiberia, 4769x Fruden, 4405x Maurice, 4241x Naibos, 4238x Arved, 4222x Nikinyo, 3946x dscm, 3593x Sanka, 3471x yottam, 3367x Elynae, 3293x Yakesh, 3275x amw, 3096x G7x, 2627x Svalbardcaretaker, 2419x Herrn, 2401x Corin, 1921x Gilihad, 1874x vuolankoinen, 1861x Niddhogr, 1853x heteroy, 1701x Chisean... 00:29:30 i'm trying to remember who that guy was 00:29:32 <|amethyst> !lg . wn / quit 00:29:32 ahh 00:29:33 562/1393 games for |amethyst (wn): N=562/1393 (40.34%) 00:29:34 there we go 00:29:35 |amethyst: yes, removing the extra piety altogether seems reasonable to me too 00:29:40 !lg . wn / quit 00:29:41 2/28 games for PleasingFungus (wn): N=2/28 (7.14%) 00:29:46 "don't want randomness" really? I think these people just want less randomness 00:29:51 I actually didn't know the extra piety existed until recently 00:30:03 they want to roll a random god from a smaller pool than the entire pool 00:30:13 <|amethyst> elliptic: I think if you do that it won't be long until faded altars are removed entirely 00:30:14 this seems ill-defined 00:30:19 they're unplayably awful without the bonus piety. with the bonus piety they're usually bad, but can be good for some chars 00:30:28 people want to choose their muts for Ds, choose their color for Dr, choose their starting equip/skills for Wn 00:30:29 <|amethyst> elliptic: it just makes minmay's complaints more salient 00:30:34 *saline 00:30:41 lol 00:30:42 lol 00:30:53 fr: minmay unique for desolation portals 00:31:16 anyway, the high quit rate for trog/fedhas shows people aren't neccessarily using faded altar in order to win 00:31:16 <|amethyst> I mean, his objection is that they're not useful at all as it is, and you should never use them 00:31:33 |amethyst: possibly yes 00:31:43 and this differs from his objection to 90% of the remaining game how? 00:31:55 remember that xom exists 00:32:03 chequers: no, it shows they aren't using it in order to maintain a high winrate 00:34:37 i guess at some point i should get back to working on my new player doll tiles 00:34:48 CanOfWorms: hey do you want to help with a futile, endless task 00:34:56 which one is that 00:35:01 I have lots of futile endless tasks 00:35:12 new player dolls 00:35:16 I remember that 00:35:17 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/playerdolls.png 00:35:22 basically porting all the equipment eh 00:35:28 yes 00:35:40 well it's probably not too bad 00:35:43 i did the trivially easy part, all that's left is the long, tedious, difficult part! 00:35:58 are weapons still fine with the new dolls? 00:36:03 yes 00:36:16 with maybe 1 or 2 exceptions like crossbows 00:36:17 ok then it's basically gloves/boots/bardings/body armour 00:36:25 CanOfWorms: if we had a new sif altar tile, who knows what treasures would be in store for you 00:36:30 hats should be fine too 00:36:46 ontoclasm: is that Corona right before Sticky Flame? 00:36:49 cloaks need to be redone but that's just one tile with color variations 00:36:54 I guess horn/talon/claws need tweaks too maybe? 00:37:05 PleasingFungus: no, it's uhm 00:37:10 a possibly-unused halo tile 00:37:11 halo...? 00:37:13 huh 00:37:13 ...special shoutouts to canofworms on twitch....novelty vaults with worms...worm player species (branch-only)! 00:37:26 i don't remember if it still gets drawn 00:37:26 !!! 00:37:35 I should add my soccer themed V:5 vault 00:37:49 fr can_of_lindwurms 00:37:56 good 00:37:57 did you know there's a soccer match zot vault 00:38:02 yes 00:38:06 I've cleared it once 00:38:10 I'm the worst rioter 00:38:15 i've seen it many times but never realized what it was until i had to edit it 00:38:23 which is that? 00:38:26 (while semi-removing some monster drac colours) 00:38:29 it's a grunt vault, hold on 00:39:07 I got foddershocked my last game 00:39:11 !vault grunt_zot_stairs_faceoff 00:39:13 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/zot.des#L2077 00:39:15 http://pastebin.com/qqFUAQ7S 00:39:25 lmao 00:39:27 saw all these cobs coming at me and had a suspicion I'd found a certain vault 00:39:28 idea for draconian reform: all draconians become colourless, as if they are pre-XL7 00:39:41 is this player or monster dracs 00:39:44 monster 00:40:04 i still like just having a 1:1 colour:job correlation 00:40:23 branch -r 00:40:25 are there enough jobs? I guess half the colours are dumb for monster dracs 00:40:26 er, 00:40:28 oops 00:41:02 the problem is actually the colours 00:41:04 8 jobs 00:41:07 9 colours, 8 jobs 00:41:22 !gamesby removemottled 00:41:22 grey and pale dracs don't currently spawn as monsters 00:41:23 removemottled has played 112 games, between 2016-04-12 02:54:22 and 2016-06-07 20:24:56, won 10 (8.9%), high score 16697813, total score 50034884, total turns 1669095, play-time/day 1:18:59, total time 3d+3:02:26. 00:41:24 because: they're boring 00:41:30 :) 00:41:30 (they're in like 2 vaults iirc) 00:41:46 but i guess you could use grey for something 00:41:55 monk, maybe 00:41:58 probably some of the jobs could be rationalised away 00:42:09 i had a branch to do that 00:42:34 scorchers and knights were my picks, apparently 00:42:34 zealot, scorcher, annihilator are pretty overlappy 00:42:51 huh, i'm not sure i've ever seen that soccer vault 00:43:14 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:18 mottled draconian zealot (09q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 65-93 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 15 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, unholy, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy | XP: 1618 | Sp: sum.demon [11!AM], call down damnation (3d15) [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], minor healing (2d8) [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:43:18 %?draconian zealot 00:43:24 mottled draconian scorcher (04q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 66-91 | AC/EV: 9/12 | Dam: 15 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, unholy, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire, 04napalm | XP: 1679 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), b.magma (3d25), fireball (3d26), hurl damnation (3d20), call down damnation (3d15) [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:43:24 %?draconian scorcher 00:43:25 i feel like it's pretty common, you'll just never see the monsters in it 00:43:32 fr remove several player drac colors as well 00:43:32 mottled draconian annihilator (12q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 65-91 | AC/EV: 9/10 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire, 04napalm | XP: 1490 | Sp: b.lightning (3d21), crystal spear (3d35), blink, iron shot (3d29), poison arrow (3d23) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:43:32 %?draconian annihilator 00:43:44 I'd vote for removing monk 00:44:07 combine into two sets, one with lcs/parrow/lightning bolt and one with the double hellfire spells and smiting 00:44:07 especially since "monk" no longer means unarmed in crawl :P 00:44:14 my feeling was that monk was one of the few dracs that really works well as a powerful threat 00:44:29 possibly the most intimidating drac job 00:44:29 PleasingFungus: I don't find them very powerful 00:44:31 copy the elf jobs 00:44:36 that would keep things simple 00:44:49 fr draconian blademasters that dual wield greatswords 00:45:07 sick 00:45:09 man, that reroll loop for soccer team randomiztion...i have an urge to fix it to just roll once 00:45:12 centaurs can wear cloaks, can't they 00:45:22 yeah 00:45:32 ugh 00:45:34 felids and op are the only non-cloak races? 00:45:36 hellmonk: you can't add things, remember 00:45:39 -!- Postmo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:45 thats why I'm requesting it 00:45:54 it's not addition if I steal it from real crawl 00:45:56 the mere request debases you 00:46:01 rude 00:46:10 -!- dolemite99 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:46:10 I am beyond reproach 00:46:12 hey, so i was told in #crawl to head over here to ask about the android offline tiles port 00:46:33 Postmo_: what about it? 00:46:37 so regarding my V:5 football vault 00:46:38 PleasingFungus: really I just suggested monk because I tried to list all 8 jobs from memory and that one was the one I forgot 00:46:39 It doesn't seem to work 00:46:46 I have a row of stands for spectators behind stone walls 00:46:53 does that seem excessive 00:46:56 I just tried creating a character, it crashes after char creation, starting the game 00:47:00 well, the person who made it is gone i think? 00:47:05 well, it hasn't seemed to work since 2015, but the nightlies are still getting updated 00:47:08 I'd imagine so 00:47:13 It says it's on v 0.16 00:47:16 PleasingFungus: but also they feel sort of like knights to me currently, mainly noticeable for taking a bit longer to kill 00:47:19 Probably gone for a while now 00:47:25 Dracunos: there's a site with updated nightlies though 00:47:33 For this app specifically? 00:47:42 that are up to date with the trunk version 00:47:44 Where is that? 00:48:22 elliptic: my feeling is that they're knights that can actually do damage 00:48:28 Dracunos: http://crawl.newtzie.com/ 00:48:29 @??draconian knight 00:48:29 red draconian knight (10q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 94-131 | AC/EV: 22/11 | Dam: 27 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire | XP: 1747 | Sp: throw icicle (3d25), b.cold (3d25), armour, haste, invisibility | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:48:31 @??draconian monk 00:48:31 red draconian monk (02q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 98-142 | AC/EV: 7/20 | Dam: 35, 20, 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire | XP: 1939 | Sp: searing breath (3d20) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:48:49 i guess it depends on your resists 00:48:57 @??green draconian knight 00:48:57 green draconian knight (10q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 94-131 | AC/EV: 22/11 | Dam: 27, 1508(poison:32-64) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison | XP: 1747 | Sp: throw icicle (3d25), b.cold (3d25), armour, haste, invisibility | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:49:15 im confused about the status, really, since it's clearly being updated, although that could just be an automated thing 00:49:34 huh 00:49:47 PleasingFungus: you'd need to buff monk melee then (not necessarily a bad idea), since it isn't really that good 00:50:02 hm 00:50:03 <|amethyst> is the one on newtzie.com local tiles? 00:50:10 20,15 are just too low to be significant 00:50:16 35, 00:50:16 four hits for 30 00:50:17 !lg * killer~~draconian s=ckiller 00:50:19 4180 games for * (killer~~draconian): 1996x a draconian, 494x a draconian monk, 305x a draconian annihilator, 268x a draconian scorcher, 246x a draconian knight, 231x a draconian zealot, 219x a draconian skeleton, 177x a draconian zombie, 78x a draconian simulacrum, 66x a draconian shifter, 45x a draconian caller, 23x a shapeshifter, 7x a glowing shapeshifter, 6x Pikel, 5x Prince Ribbit, 3x a play... 00:50:25 <|amethyst> that's the person who makes the android webtiles app 00:50:26 by far the top classed killer 00:50:33 <|amethyst> maybe he does both? 00:51:18 !lg * killer~~draconian s=cikiller 00:51:18 4180 games for * (killer~~draconian): 1942x a draconian, 400x a draconian monk, 301x a draconian annihilator, 264x a draconian scorcher, 248x a draconian knight, 224x a draconian zealot, 217x a draconian skeleton, 172x a draconian zombie, 75x old memories, 67x a draconian simulacrum, 66x a draconian shifter, 45x a draconian caller, 28x Tiamat, 22x the fury of Okawaru, 22x a shapeshifter, 10x a gia... 00:51:24 hm 00:51:41 wonder how much of that is due to zerk 00:51:41 !lg * ckiller="draconian monk" s=cikiller 00:51:42 494 games for * (ckiller='draconian monk'): 400x a draconian monk, 75x old memories, 9x the Statue of Wucad Mu, 6x Tiamat, 2x a giant orange brain, an ancient lich, a shadow demon 00:51:43 from moth of wrath 00:51:51 ahh, wucad mu 00:52:01 i was trying to find the thread for that version but it seems like it was deleted or something 00:52:09 lot worse when you have 3 attacks with 1.5 damage vs one 00:52:17 @??draconian monk perm_ench:berserk 00:52:17 red draconian monk (02q) | Spd: 10-15 | HD: 16 | HP: 98-164 | AC/EV: 7/20 | Dam: 35, 20, 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire | XP: 1939 | Sp: searing breath (3d20) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:52:20 I wouldn't have expected monks to be so high, but it is true that most other dracs are pretty bad too and berserk helps monks most for obvious reasons 00:52:38 weird 00:52:38 yeah, that sounds about right 00:52:50 spd 10-15? 00:52:50 also dam looks unmodified 00:53:13 @??goblin perm_ench:berserk 00:53:13 goblin (15g) | Spd: 15 | HD: 1 | HP: 5-8 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 00:53:16 @??goblin 00:53:16 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-5 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 00:53:18 hm 00:53:26 @??red draconian perm_ench:berserk 00:53:26 red draconian (04d) | Spd: 15 | HD: 14 | HP: 125-171 | AC/EV: 9/10 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire | XP: 1228 | Sp: searing breath (3d18) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:53:26 something about dr classes maybe 00:53:32 er 00:53:32 yeah 00:53:35 @??red draconian monk perm_ench:berserk 00:53:36 red draconian monk (02q) | Spd: 15 | HD: 16 | HP: 147-213 | AC/EV: 7/20 | Dam: 52, 30, 22 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire | XP: 1939 | Sp: searing breath (3d20) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:53:41 @??draconian monk perm_ench:berserk 00:53:41 red draconian monk (02q) | Spd: 10-15 | HD: 16 | HP: 98-164 | AC/EV: 7/20 | Dam: 35, 20, 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire | XP: 1939 | Sp: searing breath (3d20) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:53:42 da hek 00:53:44 nice 00:53:46 !lg * recent cikiller~~draconian s=cikiller 00:53:48 743 games for * (recent cikiller~~draconian): 427x a draconian, 90x a draconian monk, 66x a draconian annihilator, 46x a draconian knight, 43x a draconian zealot, 40x a draconian scorcher, 14x a draconian caller, 8x a draconian simulacrum, 5x a draconian shifter, 2x a draconian (illusionary), a draconian zombie, a draconian skeleton 00:53:52 @??black sun perm_ench:berserk 00:53:52 putrid black sun (136) | Spd: 10-15 | HD: 15 | HP: 70-119 | AC/EV: 9/11 | Dam: 25 | natural, 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 1222 | Sp: malign offering (2d20) [11!AM], b.draining (3d22) [11!AM], dispel undead (3d24) [11!AM], black mark [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:53:57 @??torturous black sun perm_ench:berserk 00:53:58 torturous black sun (136) | Spd: 15 | HD: 15 | HP: 99-140 | AC/EV: 9/11 08(spiny 5d4) | Dam: 37 | natural, 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60), 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 1222 | Sp: malign offering (2d20) [11!AM], b.draining (3d22) [11!AM], dispel undead (3d24) [11!AM], black mark [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:54:06 !lg * recent zot cikiller~~draconian s=cikiller 00:54:08 224 games for * (recent zot cikiller~~draconian): 87x a draconian, 43x a draconian monk, 26x a draconian zealot, 24x a draconian annihilator, 20x a draconian knight, 16x a draconian scorcher, 7x a draconian caller, a draconian shifter 00:54:23 callers.... 00:54:24 wow 00:54:26 prince ribbit's crown 00:54:28 is... 00:54:30 it's something 00:54:34 maybe filling zot with drakes really isn't that impressive... 00:54:38 -!- Postmo_ has left ##crawl-dev 00:54:40 CanOfWorms: link please 00:54:42 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:54:49 then i need to go to bed 00:54:53 03amalloy02 07* 0.19-a0-1673-g1c1b307: Replace reroll loop with a one-step fisher-yates 10(23 seconds ago, 1 file, 13+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1c1b30721102 00:54:58 <|amethyst> replace the drakes with shrikes 00:55:05 -!- DDFi has quit [Client Quit] 00:55:07 pleasingfungus: http://puu.sh/rjGAS/1932b90f74.png 00:55:27 it's one of those children's party crowns 00:55:40 lol 00:55:43 -!- speak has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:49 amalloy: nice 00:56:00 |amethyst: even mix of shrikes and crabs, imo 00:56:27 apocalypse shrike 00:56:40 could just remove callers, it always felt weird to me to have callers when dracs already come with lots of friends 00:56:41 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:56:50 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:56:58 (and when other dracs summon other things already) 00:57:03 fine by me 00:57:14 it does mean we lose the silly summon drakes/komodo dragon joke 00:57:19 though I'm not actually sure whether I like zealots or callers better 00:57:25 but we could always move that to some earlier monster if we really wanted it 00:57:37 kobold dragonologist 00:57:55 @??draconian zealot 00:57:55 red draconian zealot (09q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 67-93 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 15 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire | Vul: 08holy | XP: 1619 | Sp: call down damnation (3d15) [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], sum.demon [11!AM], minor healing (2d8+3) [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:58:03 koboldinalogist? 00:58:10 ! 00:58:13 careful where you drop out of character pf, someone might have seen you call komodo dragons not real dragons 00:58:38 <|amethyst> Herpetarch 00:58:49 -!- hpm_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:58:55 wow, zombie fish are still on that sheet 00:58:57 chequers: they're clearly not real drakes :P 01:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:17 my secret is that i'm not playing a character. everything is say is true... in real life! 01:00:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:03:37 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:04:37 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0/20160916101415]] 01:05:36 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:05:52 -!- hpm___ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:09:22 -!- ebering has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:10:00 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1673-g1c1b307 (34) 01:10:11 -!- HolyRage has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:10:22 -!- HolyRage_ is now known as HolyRage 01:10:37 -!- ebering has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:56 -!- airwolf has quit [Client Quit] 01:14:33 -!- speak has left ##crawl-dev 01:20:26 -!- DeloreanTremens has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:28:00 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37:50 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38:22 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/centaurequipment.png 01:38:32 !tell CanOfWorms https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/centaurequipment.png 01:38:33 ontoclasm: OK, I'll let canofworms know. 01:42:11 -!- Postmo_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:49:18 -!- dolemite99 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:51:28 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:52:39 -!- protopulse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11:05 -!- HolyRage has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:11:19 -!- HolyRage_ is now known as HolyRage 02:16:56 -!- johnny0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:17:41 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:21:12 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:23:45 !tell pleasingfungus i think ifigured out what the redraw_screen() was for in the off-level Xv code. in console, at least, if you XV something whose description is wide enough to reach the right margin, it needs to be replaced with blank spaces when you leave the v description 02:23:46 amalloy: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 02:42:47 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:53:12 -!- hellmonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:59:10 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:55 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:14:59 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1673-g1c1b307 (34) 03:16:46 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:20:52 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:27:33 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:28:01 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39:22 !tell PleasingFungus http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.com/saves/Huckle-crawl-git-c28a5d92d6-160922-0934.tar.bz2 03:39:23 Medar: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 04:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:14:18 -!- bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:22:22 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:28:41 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:31:09 -!- chan20_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:45:49 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:50:34 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:55:53 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:03:23 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:04:42 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:04:47 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:09:53 -!- eb has quit [] 05:26:30 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 05:27:06 -!- speak has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 05:29:11 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:35:04 -!- hpm___ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:37:00 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:38 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 06:04:08 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:04:49 -!- Pekkekk has quit [] 06:05:30 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:12:45 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:40:12 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:47 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 07:07:02 -!- hieropants has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:25:41 -!- Svalin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:39:42 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 07:45:13 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:45:35 Sar (L22 DgAE) (Shoals:4) 07:50:03 ??Crd 07:50:03 c-r-d[1/2]: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:06:17 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:07:29 -!- Alatreon has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:35 Uh, I found a ghost 08:07:41 in spider 08:08:20 so idk about what this is about 08:08:25 and it's not a player ghost 08:08:51 The remains of a monster that existed in an older version, but has since been removed. 08:09:32 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:16:24 Alatreon: did you recently upgrade the version for the save? 08:17:51 it didn't prompt me too 08:18:13 <|amethyst> !lm alatreon x=src 08:18:14 5583. [2016-09-22 12:11:21] [src=cbro] Alatreon the Meteorologist (L22 TeCj of Vehumet) reached level 4 of the Spider Nest on turn 86370. (Spider:4) 08:18:25 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:18:59 <|amethyst> 82958 | Vaults:4 | Upgraded the game from 0.19-a0-1670-gc28a5d9 to 0.19-a0-1673-g1c1b307 and several others before that 08:19:16 could have been a boulder beetle which fell down a shaft 08:19:41 i think mpa removed them recently 08:22:43 5 removed MONS_BOULDER_BEETLEs 08:24:54 Alatreon: Yeah, you're probably just seeing the ghost of a boulder beetle that you left alive. 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