00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:05 indeed 00:00:20 Vault Generation/Placement Bug: Inaccessible Ossuary 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10682 by laularukyrumo 00:01:39 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:03:25 well, clearly it's not a problem with the vault itself, which was impeccably designed, likely by someone who is quite charming and handsome 00:03:56 !apt exp 00:03:57 Exp: Hu: 1!, Fo: 1!, Ha: 1!, Ko: 1!, Gr: 0, Gh: 0, Te: 0, Og: 0, HO: 0, Na: 0, Op: 0, VS: 0, Mf: 0, Dr: -1, Ce: -1, Tr: -1, Vp: -1, Mu: -1, Mi: -1, DE: -1, Sp: -1, DD: -1, HE: -1, Ds: -1, Fe: -1, Dg: -2* 00:04:30 and I just got ganked by a spriggan with a stupid weapon, so now we'll just have to hope that this sort of thing gets fixed and never happens again 00:05:13 we do our best :) 00:05:13 also, I think the forest vault with all the spriggans and imps is a little too out of depth for D:5, but that's just me 00:06:21 spriggan monsters sound like something that probably shouldn't be on D:5, yes 00:06:57 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:38 !log laularukyrumo 00:07:38 1763. LaularuKyrumo, XL9 MfVM, T:5622: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/LaularuKyrumo/morgue-LaularuKyrumo-20160918-040346.txt 00:07:54 is it kb_forest_paths? 00:08:16 Pretty sure, yeah 00:08:30 I killed five of the bastards before one with a draining sword put me down, and that's only because I had olgreb's radiance 00:08:30 !vault kb_forest_paths 00:08:30 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des#L1586 00:09:27 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 00:09:32 o.O I feel like that was something ... less problematic before 00:09:54 So the moral of the story is that that game was just cursed. 00:09:59 thanks crawl! 00:10:46 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 00:11:29 um. did r-i check the depth this spawns at before editing? 00:12:09 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:12:21 I'm going to guess not, because, uh. That's a lair-quality vault, not a d:5 vault 00:13:53 well it has a check for absdepth < 5 00:14:08 %git kb_forest_paths 00:14:08 Could not find commit kb_forest_paths (git returned 128) 00:14:34 I feel like D:5 is still too shallow 00:15:05 and I don't know what that vault was before editing, but I feel like it could easily have not had the depth check changed when it turned into Spriggan Murder Death Zone 00:15:54 it looks like it used to have no monsters in absdepth 5-15 00:16:28 which was a little strange 00:16:32 I[ve gotten that vault before and it was not spriggans on d:5. I recall it having things like gnolls, but those might have been normal spawns 00:16:38 unless there is some weird vault syntax 00:16:52 geekosaur: it is normal spawns shallower than D:5 00:17:09 So once again. That game was cursed. 00:17:11 spriggan (15i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 7 | HP: 20-28 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 218 | Sz: little | Int: human. 00:17:11 %??spriggan 00:17:24 not really a great monster for D:5 00:17:48 Not really A great monster, SINGLUAR, for d:5 00:17:54 there were at minimum six of them 00:18:03 I know this because I killed five 00:18:55 I hope you at least enjoyed the new tiles :) 00:18:55 yeah, it looks like there are exactly six, three of them together 00:19:20 figures I'd die on the last 00:20:12 and he was down to like, poke him and he's dead territory 00:20:19 actually make that eight 00:20:19 ??almost dead 00:20:20 almost dead[1/3]: Still entirely capable of obliterating you. 00:20:33 well, eight max 00:20:51 Edit: almost dead and poisoned 00:20:51 * geekosaur thinks r-i somehow confused that vault with minmay_enchanted_forest 00:20:52 I guess 5.5 on average 00:21:09 (the young spriggan druid lair end) 00:23:17 @??soul eater 00:23:17 soul eater (063) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 51-70 | AC/EV: 18/10 | Dam: 2513(drain) | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(140), 02cold, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 809 | Sp: drain life [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:23:22 ??drain life 00:23:22 drain life[1/2]: A Yredelemnul 4* ability; drains 1+1d7+1d(Invocations) HP from all non-drain-resistant hostiles in your LOS and heals you for the lesser of (Invocations*2) and half the total damage dealt. Costs 6 MP, 200 nutrition, and 2 piety. 00:25:17 @??snapping turtle 00:25:17 snapping turtle (03t) | Spd: 8 (act: 80%; swim: 60%) | HD: 10 | HP: 46-70 | AC/EV: 16/5 | Dam: 30(reach) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 253 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:26:35 03elliptic02 07* 0.19-a0-1627-gc26532d: Move two vaults deeper. 10(27 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c26532d42523 00:26:50 (there was another vault that I was meaning to adjust as well) 00:27:44 I hope justice has been served today LaularuKyrumo 00:28:06 It has! Assuming that stupid ossuary doesn't come back for revenge. :< 00:28:44 * geekosaur pulls locally to avoid hitting 6 friggins on d5 >.> 00:29:01 I think I'm gonna start callign them Friggins instead of Spriggans 00:29:24 I've been in Depths twice: once I died because of bad luck with a catoblepas and once with bad luck with The Enchantress and her 9001 armymen 00:29:30 the five snapping turtles on D:8 wasn't much better honestly (and didn't even come with loot) 00:30:30 (an a little surprised I hadn't tripped over that given my propensity for OOD stuff, featuring a d:1 yaktaur captain back in the 4.1 days and a d:2 wyvern a year and a half ago...) 00:30:50 both just on entering the level, so not the farming timer 00:31:28 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1626-g5215c36 (34) 00:31:37 of course, the first one was 00:31:39 ??4.1 00:31:39 4.1[1/7]: Crawl (NOT stone soup) 4.1 Alpha, Brent Ross' ill-fated rewrite of Crawl. DCSS was spawned by two people who got tired of waiting for this to come out of alpha. Nearly unwinnable. NEVER CONFUSE THIS WITH SS 0.4.1 00:31:48 ??4.1[overpowered 00:31:49 4.1[3/7]: what's really overpowered in 4.1 elliott: monsters 00:31:59 -!- Rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:33 let's just say that vault would have fit 4.1 really well >.> 00:33:25 I think the worst I've gotten outside of scumming is an orc warrior on d:2 00:34:49 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:34:50 you haven't lived until you've opened a door to a d:4 wolf spider 00:35:16 -!- Rast has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:35:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:35:34 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:36:17 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:36:56 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:37:03 why not a D:1 ogre literally about 15 steps away at the end of a corridor from the entrance 00:40:55 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:14 At least with a spoder you can close the door 00:41:30 and aren't wolf spiders still weak to poison? I mostly play VM, so I think I could handle that maybe? 00:41:55 I mean I was -this close- to defeating the ood vault 00:43:16 Lightli, I used to love those (well, maybe not just there) --- I'd kite them and go straight to xl4 00:43:38 I think the occasional d:1 gnoll is homage to that 00:43:38 !lg * killer=wolf_spider d:4 s=kmap 00:43:41 I pressed aa and killed it because I was a TrBe 00:43:43 11 games for * (killer=wolf_spider d:4): 11x 00:43:50 I guess it happened before kmap 00:43:51 !lg * killer=wolf_spider d:4 s=map 00:43:52 11 games for * (killer=wolf_spider d:4): 10x, minmay_three_doors 00:44:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:44:06 suicide. figures >.> 00:44:55 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:05 GOD DAMMIT 00:45:16 ReaperX666's ghost (novice Spriggan Chaos Knight) comes into view. It is wielding a weapon of chaos. 00:45:40 The ghost of that vault is coming for me 00:45:50 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:47:01 -!- Pekkekk has quit [] 00:49:52 -!- eb has quit [] 00:54:21 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:55:06 -!- Nomi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:17 -!- adibis has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 01:08:36 -!- BadBadger has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:10:01 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1627-gc26532d (34) 01:10:16 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:17 The build was fixed. (master - c26532d #6721 : elliptic): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/160771253 01:10:17 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:16:59 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:20:06 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1627-gc26532d (34) 01:33:48 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:34:02 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:34:08 -!- kdrnic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:34:24 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:37:18 -!- CaptainFruitcake has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:16 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:38:30 -!- CaptainFruitcake is now known as CanOfWorms 01:39:42 -!- NhorianScum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:41:52 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:42:47 -!- protopulse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:43:24 -!- kdrnic__ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:46:21 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:48:05 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:49:55 !source species-data.h 01:49:55 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/species-data.h 01:51:03 -!- vale__ is now known as vale_ 01:52:06 -!- LaularuKyrumo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:54:01 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:45 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:55:06 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:12 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:57:59 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 01:58:04 -!- kdrnic__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:58:25 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1627-gc26532d 01:59:12 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:58 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:51 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10:07 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:12:35 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:14:26 -!- ximxim_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:38 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:18:42 -!- DeloreanTremens has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:20:27 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:26:59 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:27:41 -!- kdrnic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:36:33 -!- kdrnic__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:55 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:39:34 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:40:21 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 02:42:48 -!- dtsundere has joined ##crawl-dev 02:44:32 -!- dtsundere is now known as dtsund 02:48:28 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:04 -!- kdrnic__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:54:23 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1627-gc26532d 02:54:43 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 02:58:49 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:25 -!- wombat_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:04:34 -!- bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05:56 nooooo, qw just died on zot:5. finally dropped down to jsut *..... trog piety, leaving his DD with 0 mmp out of healing 03:06:07 -!- Idolo has quit [] 03:08:18 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:10:25 dang 03:10:33 !lg qw zot:5 03:10:34 59. qw the Evocator (L26 DDSk of Trog), blasted by an orb of fire (fireball) on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2016-09-18 07:05:22, with 585030 points after 55148 turns and 1:20:37. 03:10:40 the Evocator 03:11:06 curious, since qw's creator is no fan of evocations! 03:12:00 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:02 (tbf I think that dislike doesn't extend to usage of wands) 03:13:10 is there a way to make git commit --amend not change the commit message? 03:13:33 as in simply commit the staged changes (or accept my use of -a) 03:14:34 -!- kdrnic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:15:45 --no-edit 03:16:00 ty 03:16:06 I was just watching Fungus' talk and thought of something. Instead of completely disabling monsters from picking up weapons - would it be more exciting if monsters on the screen could pick it up? Let's say it's a pack of 5 monsters on screen. You killed one - the other 4 can still pick up the weapon. 03:16:28 so - you don't really need to grind but it still makes battles a little more exciting / needs you to put thought into it 03:16:42 if you can only see 1 monster at a time - no need to worry since no one else can pick up the weapon 03:16:51 I prefer if all monsters had innate apportation 03:18:08 !tell elliptic Would appreciate your feedback on a species to replace HE: http://dpaste.com/2073G99 ; based on the discussion of newOM we had some time ago. I listed some current issues in the commit message, but if you see any other problems, feedback welcome 03:18:08 gammafunk: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 03:19:18 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:21:33 -!- ximxim_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:23:42 -!- kdrnic__ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:27:04 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:28:59 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1627-gc26532d (34) 03:30:20 back, bask, bane...looks good 03:32:17 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:33:28 babe 03:34:09 Ba-Be got BaCK 03:35:20 they were going to maybe be dryads at first, but turns out crawl has 5 species beginning with d 03:38:39 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:38:59 -!- kdrnic__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:44:39 -!- hpm_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:47:13 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:47:43 -!- kdrnic__ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:48:09 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 03:51:11 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:51:11 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:52:09 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:14 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:29 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:59:36 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02:47 -!- kdrnic__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:03:02 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 04:08:34 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:10:33 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 04:17:24 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 04:18:10 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:21:14 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 04:25:12 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:25:16 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:28 -!- kdrnic has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:26:51 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 04:29:58 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:01 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:35:25 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 04:38:08 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:42:00 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:47:18 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:50:54 -!- kdrnic has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:54:42 -!- Alcopop has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:56:41 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:07 chequers: I added a bit about tutorial/hints mode on the survey; basically I want to know if people used them at the beginning and if they were any good; don't really know how to ask the later one (apart from open question) 05:03:36 nice 05:04:10 ideally we'd have some system where you get to specify a) what you used, then for the items you select we ask how useful they were and how much you enjoyed them 05:07:33 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:08:34 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 05:10:15 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:13:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:14:52 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 05:15:48 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:16:15 -!- kdrnic__ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:16:52 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:21:36 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:31:28 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:36:42 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:41:36 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:42:20 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:06 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:46:00 -!- kdrnic__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:56:11 You barely miss the jackal. Your grab misses the jackal. 05:56:11 The jackal closely misses you. You riposte. You barely miss the jackal. 05:56:11 You grab the jackal. The jackal closely misses you. You riposte. 05:56:11 _You hit the jackal but do no damage. You grab the jackal. 05:56:43 !tell pleasingfungus should riposte allow octopode/(naga?) constriction 05:56:43 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 05:57:18 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:36 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:04:18 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:15:30 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:23:58 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:42:18 -!- ScarCow has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:03:33 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:09:16 gammafunk: qw evo titles are to get MP on DD of Trog 07:10:48 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:11:36 gammafunk: some thoughts on Ba: (1) allowing GSC and GC is probably okay as long as their maces apt is negative and their fighting apt isn't too high 07:12:20 gammafunk: (2) I'd prefer actual flat melee apts - maybe -1 for everything (including UC and staves) 07:13:35 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:07 gammafunk: (3) HP +3 and Fighting -1 is okay I think, but I could also see HP +2 and Fighting 0 07:16:51 gammafunk: (4) we already have a lot of species with positive earth apt, so I don't see the attraction of giving +1 earth to Ba... I'd just move that down to 0 07:23:20 gammafunk: (5) on further consideration, I sort of like HP +2 and Fighting +1 (with -1 melee apts) 07:24:45 gammafunk: (6) could also consider increasing shields apt to -1 if you want to disincentivize GSC usage further 07:26:34 elliptic: Ba/ 07:26:35 ? 07:27:14 Lasty: http://dpaste.com/2073G99 07:27:30 Took a Quantum Leap in Necromancy 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10683 by removeelyvilon 07:28:09 thanks 07:32:03 gammafunk: I see the flavor reasons for UC 0 and Throwing -1, but I generally don't like trying to push species in that direction -- when a species is designed to favor those two options over others, they tend to play out the same more often. Agree w/ elliptic that flat weapon apts (either -1 or -2) would be better. 07:32:54 yeah the UC 0 seemed dangerous to me (having a higher staves apt is safer since they are two-handed and I imagine this species will usually want a shield) 07:33:22 (or if it does want a two-hander will use GSC) 07:33:37 !apt air 07:33:38 Air: Te: 3!, HE: 2, Dr[black]: 2, Dr[pale]: 1, Hu: 0, Ko: 0, VS: 0, Dr: 0, Ha: 0, DE: 0, Op: 0, Na: 0, Vp: 0, Ce: -1, Sp: -1, Ds: -1, Fe: -1, Dg: -1, Gr: -2, HO: -2, Fo: -2, Mu: -2, Dr[grey]: -2, Mf: -2, Gh: -2, DD: -3, Og: -3, Mi: -3, Tr: -4* 07:33:42 !apt earth 07:33:43 Earth: DD: 3!, Dr[grey]: 2, Gr: 2, Fo: 2, Gh: 1, DE: 1, HO: 0, VS: 0, Dr: 0, Na: 0, Ha: 0, Hu: 0, Vp: 0, Op: 0, Ko: 0, Tr: -1, Dg: -1, Ds: -1, Fe: -1, Ce: -1, Sp: -1, Mi: -2, Mu: -2, Dr[black]: -2, HE: -2, Mf: -2, Te: -3*, Og: -3* 07:34:14 Huh, I thought HE had positive air 07:34:19 HE: 2 07:34:27 is positive 07:34:29 Oh, I can't read 07:34:51 agreed re: GSC 07:35:20 a -1/-2 apt probably won't discourage the species from using GSC unless they want to use a shield 07:38:59 yeah, at that apt I imagine that shields will often be more tempting though 07:39:09 I already am pretty tempted by shields on ogres currently 07:41:19 oh yeah? 07:41:28 I tend to be in the GSC camp myself 07:41:39 do you go eveningstars/shields, then? 07:42:30 I mean I usually go GSC too, but I am tempted :P 07:42:41 ah, haha 07:42:43 fair 07:42:53 dwhip + shield and UC + shield are both okay though, I have done them 07:43:01 UC ogre is like a bad troll 07:43:50 oh I think maybe I had a wyrmbane ogre once too? 07:45:06 What would push you towards UC on an ogre? I feel that would be a hard choice to make at any point in time, even if it's fine overall. 07:45:12 Oh, yeah, wyrmbane is just amazing. 07:47:41 Tm or finding Tm book early, also just wanting some variety - I don't think UC ogres are great certainly 07:49:21 I guess I've only done the UC ogre thing twice that I can find and both of them splatted in late game... though I don't think that was really the UC's fault 07:50:08 certainly it is more natural to end up using one-hander + shield, that just requires either a very casty start or finding a great one-hander and a shield early 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:03:39 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:05:09 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:43 -!- removeelyvilon_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:11:14 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:20 -!- nxtlvl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:33:11 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:39:34 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:42:16 -!- Warrigal is now known as tswett 08:55:09 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:59:09 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11:44 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:12:45 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:26 !tell |amethyst do you have any ideas what might cause a server to behave slightly sluggish when running crawl? 09:21:26 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 09:28:41 -!- Toppah has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:29:46 -!- ScarCow has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:33:46 Apcxop (L2 DEWz) (D:1) 09:33:46 Rexou (L4 DsCK) (D:2) 09:33:46 Webtiles server stopped. 09:33:47 Antonin (L2 HEHu) (D:1) 09:33:48 drd (L2 DESu) (D:1) 09:33:50 Vesto (L10 DENe) (D:9) 09:33:53 daweed (L8 TrBe) (D:4) 09:33:55 UristMcMason (L16 OgFi) (D:15) 09:33:58 Gargoyl (L14 DsAK) (Lair:8) 09:34:00 Promi (L13 DrCj) (Lair:4) 09:34:02 Aleksmastering (L14 DsBe) (Orc:2) 09:34:05 xvga (L27 TeCj) (Zot:4) 09:34:07 syranez (L19 HOBe) (Shoals:4) 09:34:10 flt (L12 DrCj) (Lair:4) 09:34:23 -!- Lantell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:34:41 -!- shnurlf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:38:43 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:09 -!- HolyRage has quit [Quit: Rawr!] 09:49:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 09:50:21 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:55:31 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08:18 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:47 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:20:57 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:59 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:36:19 -!- crate_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:09 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:17 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:45:45 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:55:33 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:56 -!- ChanServ has quit [shutting down] 11:05:37 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:50 -!- Sodapressed has quit [Changing host] 11:17:29 -!- protopulse has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:47 Channel poll: did the changes to dismissal make it good for the game? Is it still something that should be removed/ 11:22:35 i don't think anything changed in terms of the design really? just made using it a bit less annoying to make use of, but the design itself is still not great imo 11:22:43 s/using // 11:25:31 -!- Sodapressed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:25:39 <|amethyst> TZer0: hm, just webtiles, or console too? I see you restarted webtiles, did that help? 11:28:10 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:31:18 -!- namad8 has quit [] 11:31:56 MarvinPA: yeah, agreed 11:32:10 Before the change was made, we'd been talking about removing the amulet 11:32:40 But since the change, I hadn't heard any talk about that, so I wasn't sure if that had addressed any concerns. 11:32:48 My personal sense is that it probably shouldn't exist. 11:45:51 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:47:42 -!- helsbecter has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:48:27 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:49:18 gammafunk, fwiw I think basajaunak are way cooler than Fen Elf and support that idea regardless of any mechanical issues 11:49:19 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:08 -!- muravey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:02 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:52:34 you.race() == "Golem" :o 11:56:00 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:59:50 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:36 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:02:06 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:02:36 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:06:37 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:08:49 -!- neofelis has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:47 Brannock: you did not see that, and what's more here's $10,000 zorkmids so you can forget you saw it if anyone asks 12:16:12 :o 12:16:28 Zorkmids? Man, you can only even spend those at the company store 12:17:51 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:52 welcome home 12:22:58 i'm scared 12:22:59 PleasingFungus: You have 9 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:23:00 aaaa 12:23:13 sorry for faking your death for the talk 12:23:27 no, I laughed 12:23:38 |amethyst: I did a full system reboot 12:23:41 and it seems to be running smoother now 12:23:45 (myyystery) 12:23:48 I actually had a HOAs die on that day fwiw 12:23:51 lol 12:23:57 !lg . hoas 12:23:58 2. Brannock the Executioner (L16 HOAs of Makhleb), mangled by an anaconda on Snake:1 on 2016-09-05 21:54:29, with 126152 points after 32668 turns and 1:40:40. 12:24:00 nice 12:24:02 i was looking for a character i had sitting around that was low enough level to die to sigmund, and you'd given me a save to debug something or other 12:24:13 yeah, with the Beogh priest thing 12:24:17 yeah 12:24:21 so i used that and then spawned a dozen sigmunds 12:24:26 he went out bravely... 12:24:27 probably i should've just used x,... 12:25:15 looking at twitch now. there were a couple of good talks i missed :( 12:25:39 it was a good time tho. delivering that talk was a heck of an adrenaline rush 12:25:51 not least because i was about an inch away from not being able to have slides 12:25:54 How many people were there in the audience? 12:26:15 We never got any audience shots 12:26:16 https://twitter.com/unormal/status/777211190296584192 12:26:23 Nice 12:26:28 note the people standing in the hallway 12:26:30 it was sweltering 12:26:40 was this in a warehouse or something? looking at these ceilings 12:26:43 haha 12:26:47 eventbrite hq 12:26:57 7th floor... 12:27:10 they even had an elevator guy. very decadent 12:30:46 i had a bunch of 'speaker notes' that i was reading from, but i only found out that i couldn't display them on the laptop i was using for the talk about 10 minutes beforehand, since the laptop needed to display the slides to stream 12:31:09 so after fucking around with a bunch of stuff, i ended up downloading the google slides app on my phone and getting it open literally the minute that my talk was supposed to work 12:31:21 close... 12:31:37 also - were you watching any of the other talks? 12:31:47 not really, it's hard to watch talks since I'm deaf and they're not captioned :\ 12:31:56 oh! didn't realize 12:31:59 I was watching the guy who was writing some long blog 12:32:05 Since his slides were basically his speaker notes 12:32:09 do you want me to send you my slides? i followed the notes pretty closely 12:32:13 Sure, that'll be nic 12:32:13 e 12:33:17 https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sxd6dMmua7RFH-fjmMzFTFS3yIYa4tgDL4bAuj-rzoI/edit?usp=sharing might be easier to read by hitting 'present' -> 'presenter view' -> 'speaker notes'. or might not be 12:33:44 I need permission for presenter view 12:34:23 oh, weird 12:34:30 oh nevermind 12:34:32 I can see notes 12:34:33 without permission 12:34:38 it's just the tools that I need rights for 12:34:44 probably because of the q&a feature 12:35:44 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:36:34 New branch created: adrenaline_rush (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/adrenaline_rush 12:36:34 03Lasty02 07[adrenaline_rush] * 0.19-a0-1628-g111ecb6: New player ability: adrenaline rush 10(24 seconds ago, 4 files, 33+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/111ecb61328d 12:36:51 PleasingFungus: did you say adrenaline rush? 12:36:56 lol 12:37:16 chei should forbid that 12:37:33 Brannock: he does get angry if you do it 12:37:47 I should probably take some more effort to warn the player about that 12:39:33 i'm unconvinced that is a good idea generally but runes definitely don't seem like the right thing to tie it to 12:39:57 could be XL 12:40:44 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:04 i would be much more in favour of just removing haste spell as a starting point, anyway 12:42:34 I agree 12:43:42 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:45:16 The CEO of crawl is back 12:46:00 Your talk was awesome :D 12:46:15 Even if I disagreed with everything you said 12:47:02 could go along with removing the wand and upping potion generation a bit too, but just removing the spell on its own seems like a pretty safe improvement that wouldn't require other major changes (although some new mid/high level charm might be nice as PF mentioned) 12:47:25 -!- HolyRage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:09 -!- cait_m has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:48:45 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:49:05 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:49:47 MarvinPA: I'd like to try it out as a branch for a bit and see if it seems good. As for getting the ability back on rune pickup, I'm not sure it's a good idea even within the framework of the whole adrenaline rush concept, but I think it incentivizes early rune grabs. I suppose the hazard is in leaving runes for later . . . :-\ 12:50:06 That is to say, deliberately leaving runes behind so you can recharge your ability later 12:50:12 but there are ways to handle tha 12:50:13 t 12:50:34 MarvinPA: In terms of trunk, do you think removing the spell is better than removing the wand? 12:51:15 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:51:22 Dracunos: doesn't a CEO get a salary? 12:51:24 probably, yeah 12:51:50 PleasingFungus: zero is a number 12:52:05 all these piles of thanks 12:52:08 in that being unlimited seems like more of a problem than not requiring skill investment to me 12:52:50 amalloy: :( 12:54:08 PleasingFungus, good talk, though it did end on an oddly negative note 12:54:22 but you made up for that with breadswinging :) 12:54:25 haha 12:54:32 you thought, "within a year, I will burn crawl to the ground and salt the earth" was negative? 12:54:47 "...and i've already salted the earth!" 12:54:49 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:54:52 haha 12:54:57 I just entered a level w/ desolation 12:55:03 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:55:23 You feel salty for a moment. 12:55:32 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:16 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:29 Brannock: the original concept for the talk was that it was going to be about how we'd 'beaten' these HOP problems... but once i started planning, i realized just how many problems still lurked! (a lot of things that didn't even make it into the talk...) 12:57:00 You didn't even get into "optimal-but-that's-fine" play 12:57:12 PleasingFungus: DrEn^Chei entering the salt wastes. This should be pleasantly terrible! 12:57:18 !locate lasty 12:57:19 lasty was last seen on CBRO (Lasty, L20 DrEn of Cheibriados). 12:57:42 man, that exit portal looks so odd on the salt bg 12:57:43 XL20 with Chei, you're fine 12:57:49 and we never got more salt tiles... 12:57:56 wow, heirophants are bad as MR 12:57:59 er at 12:58:00 hmm, peacekeepers need a shadow 12:58:06 good enough for you :) 12:58:20 touche si 12:58:21 r 12:58:30 oh PleasingFungus I spent my weekend implementing roctavian tiles. Check out that new soul eater 12:58:44 i saw it in the log, but haven't seen it in-game yet 12:58:45 Also, I hate fiddling with offsets. 12:58:46 will test in a bit 12:58:51 lol 12:58:53 they seem to be bugged 12:59:07 yeah, sometimes they move when I adjust the xy, other times they.. don't 12:59:10 lots of recompilation 12:59:19 the last time i was messing with them, for salt monsters, i had very weird issues with the offsets not applying - in exactly the way you described 12:59:21 that function is really bad 12:59:22 well, that first encounter hurt like hell 12:59:29 yeah, that went suddenly really badly 12:59:32 around when the gserp showed up? 12:59:39 gserp? 12:59:41 Brannock: i removed it at one point, and then grunt persuaded me to put it back :( 12:59:41 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:59:45 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:47 @??guardian serpent 12:59:47 guardian serpent (00S) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 33-52 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 26 | spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 455 | Sp: b.venom (3d13), slow, blink allies encircling | Sz: Large | Int: human. 12:59:50 ah yeah 12:59:56 i don't know if anyone else uses that abbreviation... 13:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:22 %git 2057906ad90d3e0d1983f3eea34e410af36f12d4 13:00:22 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1524-g2057906: Revert "Dataify weapon/shield tile offsets" 10(7 months ago, 4 files, 1354+ 786-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2057906ad90d 13:00:43 that went better 13:00:48 I wish there was a way to just flag coordinates in a tile itself 13:00:54 so the function could pull that 13:00:56 hm 13:00:58 instead of having to set it manually each time 13:01:05 but png as a format doesn't support that I think 13:01:11 no, what you'd want is 13:01:14 something in dc-mon.txt 13:01:15 <|amethyst> png could do it, but 13:01:39 <|amethyst> that could make editing a bit of a pain 13:01:56 Lasty: 27 str, and not even looking at those artefact armours? 13:02:50 Dr!!!! 13:03:29 oh yeah, i had salt feedback (via elliptic) that probably the loot is too far in the other direction now in that there's just a ton of it 13:03:44 Shadow creatures is really good in Salt 13:04:02 yeah, this looks like a lot of loot 13:04:26 the loot used to be much higher quality 13:04:33 but it's not really more than Elf:3 vault loot 13:04:46 well, it shouldn't even *equal* elf:3 as a portal vault 13:04:52 yes, nowhere near 13:05:04 PleasingFungus, you got paid in laughter 13:05:10 And great experience :D 13:05:11 aww 13:05:14 nice hat 13:05:22 the feels! 13:05:31 heh, gots to get my ponder on!!! 13:05:33 MarvinPA: cute thought: instead of nerfing loot, could move the vault back earlier to increase risk 13:05:39 (risk/reward ratio) 13:05:49 i think probably the loot should still be reduced a bit either way 13:05:53 probably 13:06:05 but maybe making it slightly earlier would be good too yeah 13:06:15 i feel like it's hard to make it *slightly* earlier 13:06:21 although- yeah 13:06:22 idk. our branches are all so short now... 13:06:44 man, I'd be really in trouble w/o shadow monsters 13:06:48 haha 13:07:28 warlocks don't seem to be casting their explosion spell... possibly i should try upping the frequency, so they'll consider it more often 13:07:28 resting is still kinda slow 13:07:29 it has a narrow window of usability 13:07:32 yeah, we haven't fixed that 13:07:43 it's much better than it used to be 13:07:44 at least 13:07:46 PleasingFungus: they were using some kind of explosion, but it looked like ghostly fireball? 13:07:52 oh, i didn't see 13:07:55 good 13:08:27 The Papyrus of Cheese -- nice 13:08:51 MarvinPA: feel free to make changes to the portal's loot yourself, if you have thoughts 13:09:13 i'll probably do it myself eventually, but i am very lazy. 13:09:22 being a summoner is really, really good here 13:09:26 prevents surrounding 13:09:34 yeah, and there's only one abjure monster 13:10:01 PleasingFungus: 13:10:08 I was just watching Fungus' talk and thought of something. Instead of completely disabling monsters from picking up weapons - would it be more exciting if monsters on the screen could pick it up? Let's say it's a pack of 5 monsters on screen. You killed one - the other 4 can still pick up the weapon. 13:10:11 ^^ 13:10:52 that way you don't have to grind. As long as everyone who was on the screen initially is dead - no one else can pick up and use the items. Yet it makes the on-screen battles interesting. 13:11:44 -!- Nomi has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:12:24 how do you communicate that to players? surely a reasonable player would think, "oh, i know that monsters can pick up weapons, i should be sure to pick up and hide these nasty ones." 13:13:01 same way you communicated jiyva jellies 13:13:11 <|amethyst> ? 13:13:14 write it down. :) 13:13:38 <|amethyst> where? 13:14:01 I am not sure. 13:14:22 we don't know what, if any, potions monsters carry 13:15:05 -!- helsbecter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:15:08 fwiw back in the day I noticed that monsters picking up weapons lost their turn, and that if you could lure a monster with a good weapon and kill him in front of everyone else, you got 1 free turn per monster as they picked it up/equipped the weapon 13:15:20 of course, "kill the best weapon first" isn't something we want to discourage :) 13:17:20 i remember that... 13:18:04 you could get mennas to lose his shield if you had a 2h holy sword iirc 13:18:32 yess, that tech 13:18:35 it took some fiddling 13:18:39 sometimes he was a pain about it 13:19:05 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:19:20 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:21 The build passed. 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Lasty is cast into beam.cc! 13:20:03 anywhere but theeeeeeeere 13:20:17 Eh 13:20:22 !cmd banish 13:20:23 Command: !banish => .echo $nick casts a spell. ${1:-Everyone} is cast into ${2:-$(=badplace)}! 13:20:30 !kw badplace 13:20:31 No keyword 'badplace' 13:20:33 :( 13:20:41 !var badplace 13:21:59 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:22:19 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:41 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:58 -!- harambe has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:27:01 -!- myfreeweb has quit [*.net *.split] 13:27:01 -!- dustinm` has quit [*.net *.split] 13:27:01 -!- ChongLi has quit [*.net *.split] 13:27:01 -!- bbigras has quit [*.net *.split] 13:27:01 -!- djinni_ has quit [*.net *.split] 13:27:01 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [*.net *.split] 13:27:02 -!- GoatMann has quit [*.net *.split] 13:27:02 -!- mrm has quit [*.net *.split] 13:27:02 -!- paxed has quit [*.net *.split] 13:27:02 -!- thrig has quit [*.net *.split] 13:27:02 -!- Keskitalo has quit [*.net *.split] 13:27:02 -!- phyphor has quit [*.net *.split] 13:27:23 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1627-gc26532d (34) 13:29:14 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:14 -!- djinni_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:14 -!- Keskitalo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:36 03Lasty02 07[adrenaline_rush] * 0.19-a0-1629-ga7ebeb5: Remove Haste spell for players. 10(52 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a7ebeb5a6256 13:29:36 03Lasty02 07[adrenaline_rush] * 0.19-a0-1630-gb97a3fe: Remove wand of hasting 10(86 seconds ago, 22 files, 12+ 69-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b97a3fee4f1f 13:32:13 PleasingFungus: any more bugs tagged simple? 13:32:31