00:00:00 [15 03:32] also i'm gonna stop copy-pasting these now 00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:11 hm. probably an imposter 00:00:11 we're looping! 00:00:24 You loop the dev like a GOTO!!!!!! 00:00:25 you know how tricky these irc folks are. 00:01:29 does this function work at all on randarts? 00:01:30 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/acquire.cc#1173 00:02:10 i feel like the obvious answer is no, but i cant find where randart brands are decided 00:02:21 It'd be nice if the @ had some personality traits to struggle against. Phobias. Aggregated traumas. Maybe a deteriorating mental condition. Substance use and abuse. 00:02:31 dgn-labyrinth.cc:220:20: warning: passing an object that undergoes default argument promotion to 'va_start' has undefined behavior [-Wvarargs] 00:02:42 figured I'd see what latest clang had to say about it 00:02:47 Protopulse: look at line 1178 00:02:58 oh boy, another reason to convert varargs to recursive templates 00:02:59 i did 00:03:04 thats why the answer is no right? 00:03:06 yes 00:03:13 bleh 00:03:41 !source _add_randart_weapon_brand 00:03:41 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/artefact.cc#L457 00:03:44 freebie, just for you 00:03:56 HOW I FOUND IT: opened artefact.cc and searched for "brand" 00:04:31 ? 00:04:33 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1568-gdd01aac: Document new wizmode command aliases 10(41 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dd01aac06dde 00:04:38 oh do tell 00:04:45 o 00:04:48 lets see now 00:05:26 -!- Zekka has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:06:28 ok 00:06:30 but whats calling it? 00:06:44 the reason i didnt find it 00:06:48 even tho it seemed obvious 00:06:54 is because i was looking at this central function here 00:06:54 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/acquire.cc#L1259 00:07:19 -!- zeia has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:07:20 it gets a type_wanted 00:07:23 then a thing_created 00:07:31 !gameinfo purplered 00:07:32 PurpleRed the L4 DECj^ in D:3 (cpo tiles), T:555, defenses: 2/13/0, stats: 5/21/15 00:07:33 then it evokes a brand assignment function that only deals with non randarts 00:07:57 Protopulse: if you wonder "what's calling some function?", you do not have to ask other human beings to find the answer. 00:08:11 sigh 00:08:13 here we go again 00:08:23 If I wanted to answer what your question, here is what i would do: "git grep _add_randart_weapon_brand". 00:08:30 *answer your question 00:08:41 welcome to programming, i'm afraid! 00:08:52 reading other people's code is never fun 00:08:52 &versions 00:08:59 CAO: 0.19-a0-1553-g64c24c3, CBRO: 0.19-a0-1553-g64c24c3, CDO: 0.19-a0-1553-g64c24c3, CPO: 0.19-a0-1567-g64908cf, CSZO: none, CUE: 0.19-a0-1555-g1831138, CWZ: 0.19-a0-1379-gd925bfa, CXC: 0.19-a0-1553-g64c24c3, LLD: 0.19-a0-1397-g12ed078 00:09:00 yea i know 00:09:12 it wouldve been simpler if i just went around and ctrl-f'ed for brand like u did 00:09:19 instead of trying to actually follow the logic and function call order 00:09:46 Game crashing at random with "CrawlStoreValue has invalid type" error message. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10674 by PurpleRed 00:10:06 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:10:09 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1567-g64908cf (34) 00:10:22 if i knew the name of the function then i could do the git grep 00:10:25 You've got to be willing to try alternative approaches. If starting from the beginning isn't working, start from the end, or grep around, or... 00:10:26 i didnt know the name of the function 00:10:33 neither did i, protopulse. 00:10:36 i know 00:10:44 but my point still stands 00:10:51 what's your point? 00:10:54 i still have to figure out how its being called 00:11:00 my point is the git grep wouldnt work 00:11:02 anyways 00:11:08 it doesnt fully answer my question but ty for finding it 00:11:11 ill look around some more 00:11:38 https://www.amazon.com/dp/0814474578 iirc this was assigned reading in college 00:11:46 it's ok 00:11:59 very readable, somewhat useful 00:12:03 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:03 The build is still failing. (master - 1223d52 #6677 : Alan Malloy): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/160064148 00:12:03 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:12:14 lol alright 00:12:26 poor amalloy... i trick him into fixing an obscure, corner-case crash, and he gets nothing but trouble for it... 00:12:41 well at least that travis bug is ignorable, since it's a build that is already obsolete 00:13:03 %git 00:13:03 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1568-gdd01aac: Document new wizmode command aliases 10(50 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dd01aac06dde 00:15:13 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:18:15 <|amethyst> oh 00:18:19 <|amethyst> I see the problem 00:18:27 <|amethyst> operator= doesn't have a case for SV_MONST or SV_LUA 00:18:39 <|amethyst> which explains why it happened with an orc corpse 00:19:19 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:37 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:20:33 it should, shouldn't it? 00:21:40 <|amethyst> I would think so 00:22:01 <|amethyst> I can't think of how crashing when using copy assignment on an orc corpse would be a good thing 00:22:06 just another case of my perfectly valid code revealing bugs hidden elsewhere. i am blameless yet again 00:22:59 -!- Nomi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:20 hm, CSV::unset() is also duplicating the logic in the copy constructor 00:27:01 <|amethyst> ? 00:27:04 er 00:27:07 <|amethyst> in the copy assignment operator? 00:27:08 in the operator= 00:27:09 yes 00:27:42 except it also has these die(...) calls for "illegal" attempts to unset things 00:31:36 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1566-g1223d52 (34) 00:33:41 god, CXC. why did you just update to the one before i reverted the bug 00:33:55 <|amethyst> GET_VAL_PTR is... interesting 00:34:27 can someone with rebuild privs on CXC make sure it gets to at least the next commit, before we get a mission crashes there? 00:34:30 <|amethyst> given how it is used, you get code that includes 00:34:37 <|amethyst> else 00:34:53 <|amethyst> delete (new string("")); 00:35:07 nice 00:35:40 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:35:45 <|amethyst> FR: use Boost.Variant 00:36:21 <|amethyst> not only does it include that 00:36:48 <|amethyst> but that code gets executed whenever you do csv.get_string() and csv contained a string 00:37:48 <|amethyst> I guess I see why, which is to make sure the 'value' macro parameter is evaluated in every branch? 00:38:09 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:14 <|amethyst> but there's no reason for _type and value to both exist anyway 00:38:33 hi PleasingFungus 00:38:42 hi! 00:38:43 <|amethyst> (for that matter, this could be a template 00:39:03 <|amethyst> ) 00:39:07 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1568-gdd01aac (34) 00:39:16 i had a quick and possibly stupid question: were there any specific intentional design constraints on the desolation_ruin subvaults 00:39:32 how do I view tv in a custom channel again? 00:39:55 <|amethyst> CanOfWorms: -tv:channel=WormTV 00:40:12 aha 00:40:23 |amethyst: i wanted to make the deletion and copy macros into templates, but it was awkward because they referred to this and to other 00:41:34 nicolae-: same size, holds the treasure (up to some specific amount, i forget what - at least 1/3rd of the total for the map, since there's three ruins), has some of the 'high-tier' enemies to guard the treasure 00:41:38 <|amethyst> amalloy: you could make them member function templates, or 00:41:53 there's nine pieces of loot 00:42:07 i mean, fixed size for the subvault, but the ruin inside can vary in size, ofc 00:42:10 <|amethyst> amalloy: you could make them take the StoreUnion as a parameter 00:42:15 yeah, sure 00:42:19 <|amethyst> amalloy: (val that is) 00:42:41 i think that was about it 00:42:47 you got any ideas you wanted to bounce off me? 00:42:55 i was thinking along the lines of "should the walls just be rock and stone", "should they be more open or can they have narrow passages", "should they try to look like something that used to be a building" 00:43:12 i mean, this is me here. if you give me an inch i will try to put it into a shop 00:43:15 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 00:43:26 (i will not make shop vaults for the desolation) 00:43:29 <|amethyst> amalloy: I guess taking the union (or the CSV) as a parameter makes them wordier 00:43:31 lol 00:43:47 <|amethyst> amalloy: so probably template member function makes the most sense 00:44:03 i think you're fine to experiment with any of those, more or less. what non-building-like things are you considering? 00:44:31 <|amethyst> amalloy: I guess COPY_PTR still needs 'other' 00:45:48 tbf it's hard to experiment with non-buildings just because there's not a lot to work with in terms of "palette", i mean trees and water are clearly out. maybe a rock outcropping. i've been wondering about iron grates, dry fountains, and faded altars but maybe it's fine to have a sparse palette for level layouts in a place called the desolation 00:46:09 (plus you can't just have a "flavor vault" 'cause they all gotta have loot and monsters) 00:46:11 <|amethyst> amalloy: honestly, though, DELETE_PTR and COPY_PTR are short enough that I'm not too worried about them 00:46:52 <|amethyst> amalloy: and GET_VAL, though long, is at least not utterly hideous 00:47:02 <|amethyst> but GET_VAL_PTR is bad in so many ways 00:47:08 faded altars don't make much sense, but grates and dry fountains would be fine 00:47:17 faded altars are altars to specific non-dead gods, after all! 00:47:40 ah, true, true 00:48:13 imo: implement the divine twins as a real god and they can only be worshipped if you find a special altar that only rarely generates in the desolation 00:48:50 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:48:57 they're dead, nicolae-. 00:48:59 this is canon. 00:49:17 how long ago were they killed, though 00:49:20 was it... strange aeons ago 00:49:22 ! 00:49:24 i've been tossing around the idea of implementing bits of dead god into the game for desolation, either as a consumable or an enemy 00:49:31 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:49:33 haven't decided exactly what either would do, tho 00:50:15 an unrand consumable, a tome of some kind that contains the final fury of the dead god twins, you evoke it and then something bad happens but you only get a few uses ever 00:50:51 i was going for a body-part angle. like saintly relics, except bits of god instead 00:50:51 the toenail of sheza 00:51:08 pretty sure slain gods get used to build universes 00:51:34 obviously that takes WAY more god. 00:51:46 depends on how crafty you are with toenails 00:52:18 if you're Banach-Tarski, Lord of Paradox, you can take a tiny little toenail and make a whole sun with it 00:53:12 dead god parts would be cool though 00:54:04 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:05 The build was fixed. (master - 64908cf #6678 : Alan Malloy): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/160067048 00:54:05 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:54:11 cool is lame now. 00:54:36 but... now lame is cool 00:54:48 it is, as a philosopher once said, hip to be square 00:55:03 ! 00:56:46 one idea for a consumable: some kind of thing you eat and you get 1-3 mutations otherwise unavailable 00:57:01 mostly good ones 00:57:26 'implement a pool of new, interesting mutations only available through a rare consumable' 00:57:31 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:42 agreed. 00:58:08 "potion of demonspawn blood" 00:58:30 i may be overly attached to the idea of Things that can only be obtained in rare or esoteric ways (sif-muna-only spells, gods whose altars you can only find in one place ever, rare mutations with one source, etc.) 00:58:31 ??acquirement 00:58:32 acquirement[1/3]: Will give you a (usable) random item moderately likely to be better than a random item off the ground! See also ?? acquirement, where is book, staff, weapon, jewellery, armour, misc, gold, food, wand, ammo, e.g. {weapon acquirement}. 00:58:48 we removed a type, didn't we? 00:58:52 ammo? 00:58:54 i know i've thought of a potion of demonspawn blood but i dunno if i ever bothered posting it anywhere 00:58:55 ya 00:58:56 I thought we got over that with geryon's horn 00:59:10 ??ammo acquirement 00:59:10 ammo acquirement[1/1]: Gives you ammo. The type of ammo you get is weighted by your ranged weapon skills (if throwing, tomahawks/javelins). Gives 5 times the size of a typical stack, almost guaranteed to have an ego. 00:59:13 geekosaur: ? 00:59:26 [15 04:58] i may be overly attached to the idea of Things that can only be obtained in rare or esoteric ways (sif-muna-only spells, gods whose altars you can only find in one place ever, rare mutations with one source, etc.) 00:59:39 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:59:44 granted what you obtained was the Hell entrances... 00:59:53 geryon's horn and the other unrands you can only get from hell lords fall into that kind of category, yeah 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:04 !learn edit ammo_acquirement[]1] s/$/ Removed as an option in 0.19./ 01:00:05 Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/// 01:00:09 !learn edit ammo_acquirement[1] s/$/ Removed as an option in 0.19./ 01:00:09 ammo acquirement[1/1]: Gives you ammo. The type of ammo you get is weighted by your ranged weapon skills (if throwing, tomahawks/javelins). Gives 5 times the size of a typical stack, almost guaranteed to have an ego. Removed as an option in 0.19. 01:00:13 dammit 01:00:21 !learn edit ammo_acquirement[1] s/ / / 01:00:22 ammo acquirement[1/1]: Gives you ammo. The type of ammo you get is weighted by your ranged weapon skills (if throwing, tomahawks/javelins). Gives 5 times the size of a typical stack, almost guaranteed to have an ego. Removed as an option in 0.19. 01:00:35 !learn edit ammo_acquirement[1] s/ / / 01:00:36 ammo acquirement[1/1]: Gives you ammo. The type of ammo you get is weighted by your ranged weapon skills (if throwing, tomahawks/javelins). Gives 5 times the size of a typical stack, almost guaranteed to have an ego. Removed as an option in 0.19. 01:00:48 how dare someone have another double space before me 01:00:57 thou shalt have... 01:01:23 !learn edit acquirement[1] s/ammo/ammo (0.18-)/ 01:01:23 acquirement[1/3]: Will give you a (usable) random item moderately likely to be better than a random item off the ground! See also ?? acquirement, where is book, staff, weapon, jewellery, armour, misc, gold, food, wand, ammo (0.18-), e.g. {weapon acquirement}. 01:01:49 anyway. i should get going. i am excited to hear about future potential dead god bits. 01:02:00 also when is 0.19 supposed to be finalized. or is that date not settled yet. 01:02:02 he only ever shows up to hear about dead gods, typical 01:02:19 not settled yet, month or so-ish 01:02:28 maybe more! mabye less! maybe never!!! 01:02:41 *nods* 01:02:55 well i've got a few vaults already 01:02:55 i'm hoping never, personally 01:03:05 that will give me more time to get these vaults done!! 01:04:47 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 01:06:15 * geekosaur gets to get used to another round of renaming. (was that 0.6 when the snakes all got renamed?) 01:07:00 0.20, all snakes have to be renamed to include the word "sapper" 01:07:19 ?/sapper 01:07:20 No matches. 01:07:34 think that was in the original name grunt had for mana vipers 01:07:37 %git 14ef20154318f3605e37aebdc2a5766f761d3177 01:07:37 07jpeg02 * 0.6.0-a0-135-g14ef201: Applying Eino's patches renaming snakes and eels. 10(7 years ago, 29 files, 91+ 91-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/14ef20154318 01:07:42 gammafunk: yes! sappers nakes 01:07:47 right 01:08:06 black snake: a large black snake. 01:08:20 -MONS: black snake / brown snake / grey snake / salamander / yellow snake 01:08:25 good 01:08:31 crawl has lost all its flavour... 01:08:47 colors obviously only work for demons 01:08:47 %git fd92a8574cec107c92006b31521880e659e6315b 01:08:47 07MarvinPA02 * 0.10-a0-336-gfd92a85: Remove vipers 10(5 years ago, 14 files, 12+ 33-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fd92a8574cec 01:09:20 we also had "small snake" and "snake" 01:09:42 someon was just looking through the encylopedia under "snake" making monsters for each entry, then they got bored 01:09:50 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:10:00 was thinking of the rename small snake -> ball python, snake -> adder 01:10:13 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1568-gdd01aac (34) 01:13:05 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.1/20160817112116]] 01:13:21 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:48 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:19:17 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 01:19:35 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:28:42 -!- theodb has quit [] 01:33:37 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:33:38 The build was fixed. (master - dd01aac #6679 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/160067836 01:33:38 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:46:08 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:50:04 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04:13 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Changing host] 02:04:25 New branch created: de-duplicate-CSV-constructor (3 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/de-duplicate-CSV-constructor 02:04:25 03amalloy02 07[de-duplicate-CSV-constructor] * 0.19-a0-1569-gd1fd179: Add some missing cases in CrawlStoreValue's operator= 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d1fd17966814 02:04:25 03amalloy02 07[de-duplicate-CSV-constructor] * 0.19-a0-1570-g6dc5b33: Re-remove the duplication in CrawlStoreValue constructor 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 96-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6dc5b33a8ac5 02:04:25 03amalloy02 07[de-duplicate-CSV-constructor] * 0.19-a0-1571-g5ccf90f: Fix some whitespace 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5ccf90f13e0e 02:05:01 does travis run on branches? 02:06:21 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:08:37 yes 02:08:53 https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/160079312 02:09:16 thanks 02:11:13 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:11:13 -!- hellmonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:11:43 -!- OrphineM has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:12:43 -!- Shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:12:43 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:18:37 -!- hpm_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:13 -!- protopulse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:31:55 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:32:36 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:32:36 -!- Protopulse_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:39:55 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:43:57 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:44:26 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:50:45 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:50:45 The build passed. (de-duplicate-CSV-constructor - 5ccf90f #6680 : Alan Malloy): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/160079312 02:50:45 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:50:54 you passed, amalloy you passed 02:51:13 where is my mortarboard 02:52:17 03amalloy02 07* 0.19-a0-1569-gd1fd179: Add some missing cases in CrawlStoreValue's operator= 10(62 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d1fd17966814 02:52:17 03amalloy02 07* 0.19-a0-1570-g6dc5b33: Re-remove the duplication in CrawlStoreValue constructor 10(56 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 96-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6dc5b33a8ac5 02:52:17 03amalloy02 07* 0.19-a0-1571-g5ccf90f: Fix some whitespace 10(61 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5ccf90f13e0e 02:58:21 I can't remember why small snake and snake were left out of that first snake renaming. 02:58:44 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58:50 I kinda like the #329 PR (High Elves -> swampyswamp elves) 02:59:13 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 02:59:32 Both the flavour, and the niche argument 02:59:52 -!- TMTurtle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00:02 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:20 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:03:57 Someone should totally implement the velvet worm (slime-spitting slug) and megalopede (multiple trampling, hopefully into webs) ideas. They're awesome. 03:05:28 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:07:10 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:23 old dev speaks, everyone else asleep 03:07:55 So it goes. Timezones.. 03:08:39 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:08:45 !lg * won min=xl 03:08:46 46950. syllogism the Farming Englaciator (L1 HEIE of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb on 2010-01-28 14:34:12, with 250008 points after 209486 turns and 21:26:39. 03:08:54 !lg * won min=xl -2 03:08:56 46949/46950. pedritolo the Jinx (L10 SpEn of Ashenzari), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-08-17 23:47:39, with 1887286 points after 35720 turns and 6:04:50. 03:08:59 oh right, old drain 03:09:23 !lg * won min=xl x=mhp -2 03:09:25 46949/46950. [mhp=51] pedritolo the Jinx (L10 SpEn of Ashenzari), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-08-17 23:47:39, with 1887286 points after 35720 turns and 6:04:50. 03:09:30 that is quite something 03:09:48 you should include name!=syllogism in all sequell queries 03:09:54 hah 03:10:02 I've done v:5 with hp like that, wonder how much harder zot is 03:10:06 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1571-g5ccf90f (34) 03:10:17 hrm, and my hp were probably like 20 pts higher than than even 03:10:25 !lm . br.end=vault min=mhp x=mhp 03:10:25 No milestones for gammafunk (br.end=vault). 03:10:28 -!- HolyRage has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:10:31 !lm . br.end=vaults min=mhp x=mhp 03:10:45 130. [2013-11-25 22:08:38] [mhp=63] gammafunk the Convoker (L13 DEIE of Sif Muna) reached level 5 of the Vaults on turn 12532. (Vaults:5) 03:10:48 yeah 03:10:53 only 12, but still 03:11:08 |amethyst: Yeah, I had students usability testing. 03:11:27 !lm devteamnp br.end=vaults min=mhp x=mhp 03:11:32 2352. [2010-03-17 00:38:28] [mhp=58] 78291 the Backstabber (L14 SpEn of Nemelex Xobeh) reached level 8 of the Vaults on turn 18012. (Vaults:8) 03:11:36 figures 03:11:49 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:12:01 !lm * br.end=vaults min=mhp x=mhp 03:12:02 84194. [2008-07-26 10:16:52] [mhp=42] ironwasp the Summoner (L10 SpSu of Vehumet) reached level 8 of the Vaults on turn 7884. (Vaults:8) 03:12:14 !lm * br.end=vaults min=hp x=hp 03:12:16 84194. [2015-03-24 03:27:29] [hp=5] Celerity the Markself (L22 HEAM of Fedhas) reached level 5 of the Vaults on turn 82344. (Vaults:5) 03:12:24 well that's not going to tell you as much, obv 03:12:27 now that must have involved some desperation 03:12:31 heh 03:13:03 celerity is a somewhat careful player, too 03:13:07 at least compared to most 03:13:39 !seen dpeg 03:13:39 I last saw dpeg at Wed Sep 14 14:15:53 2016 UTC (16h 57m 43s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Lost terminal'. 03:15:50 !tell dpeg I'm hoping to run a user survey with the next tournament, interested in your feedback. Will need your google account email: https://docs.google.com/a/bluebottle.net.au/forms/d/1vbqj-GwaGU-9J9L5qrBcjTfml-LvJyUnCDkrhmtGRUw/edit 03:15:50 chequers: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 03:18:11 I don't know that I've ever even got a non-J/L rune at xl 10 03:18:25 !lm . rune min=xl noun!=slimy|abyssal 03:18:27 544. [2015-05-13 01:34:20] gammafunk the Convoker (L11 DESu of Sif Muna) found a barnacled rune of Zot on turn 4824. (Shoals:5) 03:18:30 nope 03:18:47 !lm rune min=xl 03:18:47 261. [2016-05-06 12:27:06] rune the Shield-Bearer (L1 VSFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 03:18:50 !lm . rune min=xl 03:18:51 648. [2015-05-13 01:34:20] gammafunk the Convoker (L11 DESu of Sif Muna) found a barnacled rune of Zot on turn 4824. (Shoals:5) 03:19:07 haven't even done the abyss rune ninja thing 03:19:38 i wonder how many have done the pocket abyss rune 03:20:05 !lm urune=1 rune=abyssal xl<5 03:20:12 No milestones for chequers (urune=1 rune=abyssal xl<5). 03:20:16 !lm * recent urune=1 rune=abyssal xl<5 03:20:17 5. [2016-09-01 19:31:20] glosham the Skirmisher (L1 VpAK of Lugonu) found an abyssal rune of Zot on turn 86. (Abyss:3) 03:20:29 !lm * recent urune=1 rune=abyssal xl<5 s=char 03:20:30 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:20:30 5 milestones for * (recent urune=1 rune=abyssal xl<5): 2x SpAK, FoAK, DsAK, VpAK 03:20:49 !lm * recent urune=1 rune=abyssal ak s=xl o=. 03:20:50 11 milestones for * (recent urune=1 rune=abyssal ak): 25, 2x 18, 14, 13, 10, 5x 1 03:21:14 wow, you'd think at least *some* AK would get the rune first 03:21:29 !lm * recent urune=1 ak / rune=abyssal 03:21:38 11/5752 milestones for * (recent urune=1 ak): N=11/5752 (0.19%) 03:21:41 I mean, more than 0.19% 03:21:43 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:21:54 er 03:21:57 that query 03:22:04 !lm * recent rune urune=1 ak / rune=abyssal 03:22:23 you found what % of all milestones 03:22:23 11/768 milestones for * (recent rune urune=1 ak): N=11/768 (1.43%) 03:22:29 oops 03:22:31 still low though 03:23:19 hrm 03:23:32 !lm * recent rune urune=1 ak s=noun% 03:23:34 768 milestones for * (recent rune urune=1 ak): 249x decaying (32.42%), 227x gossamer (29.56%), 181x serpentine (23.57%), 95x barnacled (12.37%), 11x abyssal (1.43%), 3x slimy (0.39%), 2x iron (0.26%) 03:23:54 good iron rune 03:23:54 "With help from his crew, Capt. Ahab (Danny Glover) seeks vengeance against a great white dragon that killed his sister" 03:24:06 this is clearly an awesome movie, judging from that description 03:24:15 ...wrong channel? 03:24:28 haha, oops 03:24:50 iron rune is pretty impressive for first rune, whichever two people did that 03:25:16 !lm . rune urune=1 s=noun% 03:25:17 196 milestones for gammafunk (rune urune=1): 88x decaying (44.90%), 46x barnacled (23.47%), 23x silver (11.73%), 20x serpentine (10.20%), 17x gossamer (8.67%), 2x slimy (1.02%) 03:25:31 man, rip old straight to vaults route 03:25:54 also rip the crazy depth variance of the vaults entrance 03:26:07 maybe it's on d:14? maybe it's on d:22? 03:26:13 heh 03:26:41 i used to regularly try to do the first part of vaults before even entering the lair branches when i first started 03:26:54 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:57 this.....was not a successful strategy 03:27:43 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1571-g5ccf90f (34) 03:34:40 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Nergalle blows her nose. 03:37:12 good messaging 03:38:46 ? 03:42:45 message order 03:43:23 i was more wondering when the "Nergalle blows her nose" message comes up at all 03:43:31 obviously the ordering is off there 03:44:28 it's a monspeak thing 03:44:30 just ordinary monster chatter 03:46:11 ah, that makes sense 03:46:42 guess i spend so much time not reading those anymore that the more unusual ones stick out when my attention is directed to them 03:47:17 i particularly like the ones that reference the player's race 03:48:04 then there's "I should go into elves" 03:49:56 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:50:47 haha 03:50:52 what says that? 03:54:44 Huckle (L25 FeTm) (Tomb:3) 03:54:59 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 03:55:19 pikel? 03:57:16 Huckle (L25 FeTm) (Tomb:3) 03:57:34 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 03:57:43 chequers: I'm interested in the survey too! 03:59:06 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:06 -!- Brannock has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:02:04 -!- sneakynesss has joined ##crawl-dev 04:04:20 -!- Bammboo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:04:24 Ah, forgot to mention in that email just now that it's probably not a balance concern. 04:04:48 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:13:13 -!- Pekkekk has quit [] 04:16:34 ??ledas 04:16:34 leda's liquefaction[1/2]: Level 4 earth/hexes spell, found in the book of the Earth. Generates a halo of "liquefied" ground around the caster. Moving on liquefied ground has a -3 player movement malus. Applies slow movement effect to monsters. Doesn't affect flying, clinging, insubstantials; cannot be cast by these. 04:18:46 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:19:57 !lg * current s=crace% 04:20:00 586127 games for * (current): 85711x Demonspawn (14.62%), 47674x Minotaur (8.13%), 38507x Octopode (6.57%), 33511x Draconian (5.72%), 32191x Deep Elf (5.49%), 31644x Gargoyle (5.40%), 25423x Formicid (4.34%), 25388x Hill Orc (4.33%), 25346x High Elf (4.32%), 22783x Vine Stalker (3.89%), 21037x Mummy (3.59%), 18701x Human (3.19%), 18577x Spriggan (3.17%), 18403x Merfolk (3.14%), 17825x Troll (3.04%... 04:20:27 Freezing Cloud Freezes my game :-( 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10675 by irum 04:21:20 !lg * current s=crace% o=-N 04:21:22 586130 games for * (current): 3x Lava Orc (0.00%), 6281x Halfling (1.07%), 8386x Centaur (1.43%), 8510x Demigod (1.45%), 9838x Ghoul (1.68%), 9954x Felid (1.70%), 10728x Kobold (1.83%), 11085x Deep Dwarf (1.89%), 13388x Vampire (2.28%), 14228x Tengu (2.43%), 14462x Naga (2.47%), 16544x Ogre (2.82%), 17825x Troll (3.04%), 18403x Merfolk (3.14%), 18577x Spriggan (3.17%), 18701x Human (3.19%), 21037x... 04:24:39 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:38:26 Keskitalo: pass me your email! 04:38:37 Keskitalo: anyone with any vague expertise is welcomed with open arms 04:39:44 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:44:15 am I...w-welcome...??? 04:44:41 yes, all devs at least and most others in this channel if you'd like to help out 04:45:04 (which means offer feedback or write some JS to create dynamic questions -- ask me for more info) 04:45:11 you were supposed to deliver a cutting insult 04:45:23 i almost did 04:45:33 I appreciate the psychic effort, amalloy 04:45:46 but i know gammafunk is sensitive about his expertise 04:46:11 -!- mibert has joined ##crawl-dev 04:46:24 I'm an expert at attracting views of my videos from 65+ italian women 04:46:34 according to youtube analytics 04:51:16 cutting insults are very 2014 04:59:04 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:52 -!- insecticide7 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:07:32 -!- xyblor has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:30:16 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:31:43 -!- PKrockin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:32:29 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:38:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:49:00 -!- blejac99 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:56:08 -!- zkyp_ is now known as zkyp 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:03 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:05:56 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Changing host] 06:08:52 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:08:54 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:10:21 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 06:13:15 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:21:27 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 06:31:54 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 06:34:31 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:39:12 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:54:36 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:54:45 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:57:31 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:33 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 07:01:20 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 07:11:49 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:21:04 gammafunk: that's mostly just me 07:25:11 -!- beogh has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:28:32 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:35:13 -!- debo_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:35:47 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:19 CAO is not launching games, or my 'p' key is broken 07:41:51 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:53:32 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 07:53:39 -!- ScarCow has quit [] 07:59:06 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:13 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:01:13 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:02:01 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 08:03:41 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:05:00 <|amethyst> I can confirm, but don't have time to investigate at the moment 08:05:41 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:06:03 <|amethyst> dgldebug.log says 08:06:03 <|amethyst> inprogress-lock write 08:06:03 <|amethyst> purge_stale_locks fgets ipfile fail 08:06:31 <|amethyst> (the first one from pressing 'p' once, the second from pressing it a second time) 08:13:03 -!- scorchgeek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:16:15 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:19:43 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:46 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:27:46 -!- Yen is now known as Netmonmatt 08:38:38 -!- robotfoundkitten has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:44:32 -!- hollowman has quit [Client Quit] 08:45:41 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:49:28 -!- cait_m has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:51:50 -!- Bammboo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:53:16 -!- OrphineM has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:45 Ok, so apparently I can't do anything webtiles-related, it just jumps back to the lobby 08:54:54 <|amethyst> ohh 08:55:12 <|amethyst> !tell rax the chroot on CAO is full 08:55:13 |amethyst: OK, I'll let rax know. 08:55:41 <|amethyst> !tell rax you can probably talk with greensnark about moving ttyrecs 08:55:42 |amethyst: OK, I'll let rax know. 08:55:58 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:51 <|amethyst> !tell rax I freed up some space by stripping all the /chroot/usr/games/crawl-git except the last two versions, since if users crash and refuse to transfer, we're not quite as interested in seeing a labelled backtrace 08:58:52 |amethyst: OK, I'll let rax know. 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:58 -!- Kranix has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:01:23 oh jesus 09:01:23 rax: You have 42 messages. Use !messages to read them. 09:01:53 huh it shows like 8G free 09:01:53 <|amethyst> rax: stripping the old binaries has freed up 8 GB so far and isn't finished yet 09:02:13 <|amethyst> but 8 GB won't take a long time to fill up again 09:02:29 <|amethyst> a month or two maybe? 09:02:39 <|amethyst> maybe less? 09:02:41 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:05:13 -!- TAS-2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:41 I'm looking to see how much more disk space is actually available on the server 09:06:10 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:06:10 -!- TAS-2012v is now known as TAS_2012v 09:06:41 <|amethyst> have to go, but good luck. I think the immediate crisis is averted ('p' works for me now) 09:07:21 -!- sgun__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:08:08 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:08:41 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:37 <|amethyst> okat, it finished, and 19 G free now 09:09:41 <|amethyst> s/kat/kay/ 09:09:46 <|amethyst> going for real now :) 09:11:19 awesome. i should be able to take it down at some point and extend the partition another few hundred gigs. thank you!!! 09:15:58 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:28:30 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:33:31 -!- Rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:00 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:35:18 -!- Rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:42:32 -!- mibert has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:49:21 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:59:40 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:51 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:08:34 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:10:05 -!- protopulse has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:45 -!- adf has quit [Client Quit] 10:16:35 -!- dwightdl is now known as scab 10:16:40 -!- scab is now known as dwightdl 10:17:33 -!- TMTurtle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:20:13 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:20:15 -!- cait_ is now known as cait 10:21:28 -!- ScarCow has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:22:31 -!- dwightdl has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 10:24:33 -!- dwightdl has quit [Client Quit] 10:26:22 -!- dwightdl has quit [Client Quit] 10:28:36 -!- Yezarul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:35:17 -!- scorchgeek has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:59 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:37:42 -!- dwightdl has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 10:37:49 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:16 &versions 10:38:23 CAO: 0.19-a0-1553-g64c24c3, CBRO: 0.19-a0-1571-g5ccf90f, CDO: 0.19-a0-1553-g64c24c3, CPO: 0.19-a0-1571-g5ccf90f, CSZO: none, CUE: 0.19-a0-1555-g1831138, CWZ: 0.19-a0-1379-gd925bfa, CXC: 0.19-a0-1568-gdd01aac, LLD: 0.19-a0-1397-g12ed078 10:39:18 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:01 on CAO, when I try to resume game, I get 10:40:03 Another game is already in progress using this save! 10:40:03 Hit any key to exit... 10:40:38 starting a new game in another version works 10:46:11 Rast-: generally the solution for that is to wait for a little bit 10:46:12 will do 10:46:21 an admin can fix it but it tends to take longer than just waiting 10:47:52 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:26 oh 10:49:55 actually, according to channel logs, there's been some maintenance on cao (today) 10:49:58 so that's probably responsible 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:36 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Changing host] 11:05:03 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:06:42 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:07:13 ASSERT(can_reach()) in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 2355 failed. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10676 by argonaut 11:09:13 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Is just 'cockroach' fine? 13:04:43 -!- duralumin_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:04:49 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:58 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:19 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:36 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:11 oh boy, a cleaving bug 13:23:40 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1571-g5ccf90f (34) 13:24:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 13:33:34 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:34:21 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:44 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:39:41 -!- smee has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:50:33 -!- Kranix has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:53:01 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53:15 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:54:53 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:55:03 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:55:42 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:52 -!- OrphineM_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:57:47 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57:49 <|amethyst> Brannock: IMO "cockroach" sounds like something that would not be a threat at all 13:59:31 <|amethyst> Brannock: what about "rhinoceros cockroach", which has the benefit of being Australian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_burrowing_cockroach 14:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:01 I was thinking about that when I was looking into cockroach species, but I worry that it's too intimidating for what/where they are 14:00:37 -!- TMTurtle has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:00:50 then again, we have leopard geckos now 14:02:11 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:02:49 <|amethyst> Brannock: not sure if you saw (or someone pointed out) Eino's comment about frilled lizards in Sewer 14:03:03 I got the email, yeah. I wasn't sure how to address it yet 14:03:33 <|amethyst> could replace them with geckos maybe, which at least have clinging so can cross some water 14:03:44 <|amethyst> but they are tougher 14:03:52 !source mon-pick-data.h:954 14:03:53 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-pick-data.h#L954 14:04:22 !lg * br=sewer 14:04:24 21669. epen the Insei (L4 MfMo), slain by a crocodile in Sewer (sewer_big_baddie) on 2016-09-15 17:22:00, with 88 points after 1974 turns and 0:03:23. 14:04:39 <|amethyst> !lg * recent br=sewer s=ckiller 14:04:39 6714 games for * (recent br=sewer): 1331x a river rat, 962x a giant frog, 798x a player ghost, 626x a crocodile, 583x Purgy, 415x a big kobold, 415x an adder, 240x a kobold, 215x quitting, 123x a ball python, 93x a rat, 89x water, 88x Grinder, 78x cloud, 77x a worm, 60x a sickly siren, 48x an ooze, 46x a giant gecko, 41x a drowned soul, 40x a shadow imp, 38x pois, 35x an ufetubus, 33x a giant newt... 14:04:55 @??ooze 14:04:56 ooze (15J) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-14 | AC/EV: 1/3 | Dam: 5 | see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(20), 03poison, 08acid+++, 08blind, 12drown | XP: 6 | Sz: little | Int: brainless. 14:05:04 ooze aren't amphibious, but I guess they do rDrown 14:05:41 <|amethyst> crossing water is the main thing that was lost, so that doesn't work so well 14:06:01 <|amethyst> solution: flying lizards 14:06:07 leaping lizards! 14:06:11 <|amethyst> !! 14:06:11 -!- Snikeer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:06:33 @??rat 14:06:33 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-3 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 14:06:39 I didn't realize lizards were a problem in Sewer since I saw so many rats in there, but I guess rats are placed via vault syntax 14:07:37 <|amethyst> they're not exactly a problem 14:07:50 <|amethyst> it's just that making them unable to cross water was a nerf 14:08:17 <|amethyst> (as would have been replacing them with rats) 14:08:38 how do I check sewer lethality percentages? 14:08:56 <|amethyst> what kind of percentage? 14:08:56 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:09:19 players entering sewer vs. players dying in sewer 14:09:19 <|amethyst> you can get percentage of kills, or at least numbers proportional to that (the query I did) 14:09:22 <|amethyst> ah 14:09:27 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:33 <|amethyst> !lm * recent br.enter=sewer / lg:place=sewer 14:10:10 6713/76614 milestones for * (recent br.enter=sewer): N=6713/76615 (8.76%) 14:10:23 !lm * recent br.enter=ossuary / lg:place=ossuary 14:10:38 !portalsuccess * recent 14:10:50 6280/61693 milestones for * (recent br.enter=ossuary): N=6280/61693 (10.18%) 14:11:26 how's it going 14:11:34 you can do it, Sequell. believe in yourself 14:11:52 Portal success rate for * recent. icecv: N=39394/45664 (86.27%), volcano: N=23458/24958 (93.99%), lab: N=35047/37378 (93.76%), bailey: N=23517/28906 (81.36%), sewer: N=69203/75916 (91.16%), ossuary: N=54789/61069 (89.72%), wizlab: N=8110/8444 (96.04%), desolation: N=641/809 (79.23%) 14:12:21 wow, nerf desolation 14:12:39 i guess it's not much worse than bailey 14:12:58 bailey is neat since it's set up that players get confident and delve too deep before they realize what they've gotten into 14:19:43 heck, I do know what I'm getting into and it still kills me half the time >.> 14:26:59 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:43 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:33 -!- insecticide7 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:41:40 -!- jooles has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:44:55 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:07 -!- insecticide7 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:48:36 Frilled lizards hiss at you in the third person 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10677 by damerell 14:49:10 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:53 -!- insecticide8 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:53:42 New branch created: pull/363 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/363 14:53:42 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/363 * 0.19-a0-1572-g91756d7: First-person hissing (10677) 10(82 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/91756d7a53c5 14:55:32 03Brannock02 07* 0.19-a0-1572-g91756d7: First-person hissing (10677) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/91756d7a53c5 14:55:32 03MarvinPA02 {GitHub} 07* 0.19-a0-1573-g5fb7f23: Merge pull request #363 from isloat/third-person-hiss 10(8 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5fb7f23ac3c0 14:57:07 -!- THERetroGamerNY has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 14:59:46 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:10 -!- insecticide8 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:08:05 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:16 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:20 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1573-g5fb7f23 (34) 15:09:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:58 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:11:32 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:53 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:34 -!- insecticide9 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:17:44 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:51 Lasty_: After uploading and watching over the final part of that NaWn^Usk run, I realize I never even blamed you once for how that run ended. Such a missed opportunity 15:18:25 Started another one, but we went makhleb so it wouldn't feel too samey 15:20:18 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:22:00 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:52 -!- adibis has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:28:32 -!- Snikeer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:28:39 what to work on next... 15:28:46 ??simple implementables 15:28:46 simple implementables[1/1]: http://tinyurl.com/zaskueb 15:29:28 simplementables 15:30:48 -!- ScarCow has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:31:21 -!- insecticide10 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:32:31 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/362 * 0.19-a0-1572-g1bb0010: Rename giant cockroaches to rhinoceros cockroaches 10(22 hours ago, 26 files, 65+ 59-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1bb0010d2a3f 15:32:31 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/362 * 0.19-a0-1573-gb30cc0a: Rename greater nagas to naga exemplars 10(21 hours ago, 26 files, 86+ 85-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b30cc0ac939d 15:32:31 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/362 * 0.19-a0-1574-gd475c1b: Shrink monster descriptions (MarvinPA) 10(21 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d475c1baa94f 15:32:31 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/362 * 0.19-a0-1575-gec58c19: Rename great swords to claymores 10(43 minutes ago, 47 files, 91+ 91-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ec58c19e5b4a 15:33:33 -!- insecticide11 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:35:33 ??claymore 15:35:33 triple sword[1/4]: (long blades; -4 acc / 17 dam / 1.9 base delay / 0.7 min delay; two handed). A magical weapon with three great razor-sharp blades. The largest long blade. Known as a {claymore} in 0.14/0.15. 15:35:51 imo that would be a confusing rename target for great swords 15:37:10 there's no real good alternative aside from "zweihander" which is just (shoddy) German for two-handed sword. Most other large swords aren't that large or are too skinny to fit. and we already have a claymore tile... 15:38:02 I was thinking about the repurposing, but 0.15 is a couple years ago at this point 15:38:18 ??great sword 15:38:18 great sword[1/3]: (long blades; -3 acc / 16 dam / 1.6 base delay / 0.7 min delay; two handed). A sword with a very long, heavy blade and a long handle. 15:38:20 ??triple sword 15:38:21 triple sword[1/4]: (long blades; -4 acc / 17 dam / 1.9 base delay / 0.7 min delay; two handed). A magical weapon with three great razor-sharp blades. The largest long blade. Known as a {claymore} in 0.14/0.15. 15:38:32 2 base damage difference between old claymore and pending claymore 15:38:48 I can see the confusion angle though 15:39:27 -!- insecticide12 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:40:29 well, old claymore was 19 damage 15:40:34 because it didn't have riposte 15:40:43 oops, I thought it was 18 before riposte base damage change 15:40:50 maybe i'm wrong 15:40:52 but i think it was 19 15:41:11 @??triple sword 15:41:11 unknown monster: "triple sword" 15:41:27 yeah it was 19 15:41:31 you could try making it greatsword 15:41:37 if our goal is to get rid of "Great Foo" 15:41:47 and "Greater Foo" 15:41:55 ?/greater 15:41:55 Matching terms (25): greater_demon, greater_destruction, greater_healing, greater_mummy, greater_naga, greater_servant, greater_servant_of_makhleb, greaterberserkers, greaterdemons, greaterdevs, greaterestplayers, greatermummies, greatermummyoneshotter, greatermummyoneshotters, greaternagas, greaterorbrun, greaterorbrunner, greaterorbrunners, greaterplayer, greaterplayers, greaterrace, greaterrole... 15:42:00 -!- insecticide13 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:42:19 claymore actually was buffed to 20 from 19 back when they were introduced 15:42:29 that change got reverted at some point I think 15:43:46 wasn't claymore just a rename of triple sword? 15:43:54 yeah it was 15:43:58 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1574-g2a90b74: Fix spelling and wrap some descriptions 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2a90b7441414 15:44:04 it briefly did have more damage for no reason 15:44:45 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:44:55 ??broadsword 15:44:55 I don't have a page labeled broadsword in my learndb. 15:44:59 i mean, I don't know if there's a really, uh, great name for great sword that doesn't have that word. we could remove space though and freatsword would then lack a space 15:44:59 hrm, this bikeshedding has probably gone on for too long but....rhinoceros cockroaches? 15:45:14 greatsword* 15:45:15 it's a bit lengthy as a name 15:45:22 that's why I originally rejected it 15:45:36 we don't have many other good alternatives, though 15:45:43 giant (1) -> rhinocerous (4) in terms of syllables 15:45:45 cockroach, cave roach, hissing cockroach, giant cockroach... 15:45:48 we are trying to remove "giant" from the name of giant cockroaches right, couldn't we call them "great cockroaches" 15:46:07 exemplar cockroaches 15:46:09 er, maybe not great 15:46:12 retval = (determine_chunk_effect(item) == CE_MUTAGEN); 15:46:15 will this work the way I think it dose? 15:46:18 s/dose/does 15:46:28 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:46:32 !source goditem.cc:211 15:46:32 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/goditem.cc#L211 15:46:33 in that retval will be a boolean? 15:46:35 Brannock: i mean, it will work the way i think it does 15:46:48 who can say whether it will work as you think it does 15:46:50 so, "giant" is two syllables. We could go for "cave roaches" and this is like, fairly reasonable 15:46:58 !bug 10657 15:46:58 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10657 15:47:11 is that source reference the right line? 15:47:29 I'm adding a check for mutagenic chunks into is_chaotic_item 15:47:32 oh ok 15:47:51 btw you can do !source is_chaotic_item 15:47:59 oh that's helpful 15:48:01 to look up functions 15:48:01 thanks 15:48:31 Blazinghand, cave roaches weren't well received. and honestly at this point I'm tired of bikeshedding all the 'giant' stuff so I'm just moving on to other projects 15:49:13 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:13 about the word "bikeshedding"...is that really an appropriate word? I can think of sever other words that.... 15:49:21 *several 15:49:26 king roaches? monarch roaches? I get what you're saying about bikeshedding though 15:49:32 gammafunk the ultimate troll 15:49:46 You sever the discussion!!! 15:50:07 see, "ultimate" is wrong there. I'm more of a epic troll, or perhaps a exemplar troll, or ever a greater.. 15:50:07 bikeshedding refers to the fable where they're installing a nuclear plant at a town, and then the city council has a meeting about it, but they're discussing the location and color of the bike shed for the plant because that's all they understand even though it's not important. bikeshedding refers to the discussion in depth of non-critical elements of the product 15:50:16 a cave troll? 15:50:32 Iv'e already removed enough 'giant' prefixes that I'm happy with the state of things 15:50:38 could go further but all the easy ones are done 15:50:45 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1575-g6911da7: Tweak some monster descriptions 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 44+ 49-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6911da770798 15:50:56 gammafunk never fails to catch someone 15:51:39 MarvinPA, A gigantic, bloated bat 15:51:41 :) 15:52:00 the bikeshed should be painted with brannock's entrails imo 15:52:08 <3 15:52:10 finally an appropriate color 15:52:29 crimson, the dev teams favorite color 15:52:40 or maybe that's actually orange 15:52:54 also re: frilled lizards, i think they're maybe better off as just a straight rename? since that solves the amphibiousness issues in sewers, and i don't think sprint is an interesting ability on such a weak monster 15:53:09 yeah I would agree 15:53:13 I tend to agree, though there's an idea floating to buff sprint now that it's separate from swiftness 15:53:16 no clue if real frilled lizards are amphibious but imo they are now 15:53:24 they're Australian outback creatures 15:53:27 little water 15:53:37 can't they run over water? I guess that'd be jesus lizard 15:53:59 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basiliscus_(genus) 15:54:09 fr: basilisks get water walking 15:54:30 Brannock: that link actually doesn't take me to the genus, for some reason 15:54:33 brannock: royal cockroach 15:54:35 ahh 15:54:38 irssi is stupid about the link 15:54:58 needs better link parsing imo 15:55:02 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:55:24 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:26 or rather this is gnome-terminal, not irssi; this terminal has no end of weird issues 15:55:38 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:02 CanOfWorms: CanOfRoaches 15:57:20 probably you can buy that in some nicolae shop somewhere 15:57:28 _You shake the can. Roaches fizz out! 15:58:01 rhinoroaches! 15:58:17 rhinoroach is kind of cute 15:58:49 please 15:58:50 it would be called 15:58:53 rhinoceroach. 15:59:25 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1576-gef823f8: Make frilled lizards more giant newt-y 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 5+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ef823f8913bd 16:00:00 -!- insecticide14 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:09 Frilled lizards, definitely not amphibious.. 16:00:30 our wild and wacky Dungeon 16:00:47 Well, I don't actually know! 16:01:05 -!- insecticide15 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:01:30 the orb of zoboomafoo 16:01:42 frilled lizards are related to water dragons 16:01:46 same subfamily 16:02:01 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:07 good enough, imo 16:02:14 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:43 |amethyst: it seems that messages to amalloy and bh on the dobrazupa.org dev list are not going through; I got a bounce and amalloy says he's not received any list messages 16:03:31 (reading the Wikipedia article) it seems that they mainly live in trees. What I remembered from them when I saw the picture was the two-legged run, which fit the sprint idea quite well. 16:03:39 The amphibiousness doesn't make sense to me. 16:04:13 |amethyst: for amalloy's messages, might be due to dobrazupa being seen as a spam sender 16:04:44 quite a few reptiles have an amphibious larval stage and either fully aquatic or fully land-based adult stage 16:05:20 rhinoceroach.... 16:05:39 I like it 16:06:19 or more complex arrangements, yesterday there was discussion of newts which live in the water except for a juvenile stage that lives on land 16:06:45 -!- PElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:14 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1576-gef823f8 (34) 16:10:06 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1577-g0c3c0ff: Replace Swiftness with Sprint on player ghosts 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0c3c0ff29c8b 16:10:11 I may also have missed PF's initial message, if that was sent to the list, and only saw it through |amethyst's reply 16:10:57 is this the crawl-ref-discuss mailing list? 16:11:40 nay 16:12:25 devteam only list? 16:12:33 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yes, for amalloy it is a spam filter thing, and there's not much I can do about it 16:13:09 gotcha, thanks 16:13:20 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:22 Brannock: list only for cool people, if you don't know about it, you're not cool 16:13:25 <|amethyst> gammafunk: for bh I get "retry timeout exceeded" or something like that, not sure what's up there 16:13:32 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:40 yes, I want to say that this has happened in the past as well for his email 16:13:55 i wonder if it's my gmail account rejecting, or the forwarder at my domain 16:14:29 SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:: 16:14:29 host sitemail.everyone.net [216.200.145.235]: 16:14:30 550 Recipient Rejected: Access Denied: 66.111.46.146 blocked by prs 16:14:36 that's the relevant blurb 16:15:00 oh, well, indeed it is everyone.net then 16:15:40 i've suggested to |amethyst that he change the address for me to one that bypasses the forwarder 16:15:46 cool 16:16:33 I'm not sure if PF's initial email was sent to the list or not, but the first one I saw in that discussion was from |amethyst 16:17:34 was going to say that maybe it would make sense to just have everyone's emails in a list somewhere so people can make their own email group, but maybe that's even worse 16:17:59 since everyone has to update it each time the dev team changes 16:19:03 -!- insecticide16 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:19:20 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:19:37 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1578-g9c324b5: Trim the frilled lizard description 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9c324b51691e 16:19:37 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1579-g42b3148: Reduce weight of a Xom overflow vault 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/42b314813f06 16:19:37 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1580-g8817a36: Mention cloud immunity in Firestarter description (elliptic) 10(49 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8817a3695df2 16:21:01 any opinions on replacing *Confuse with *Slow? since confuse on artefacts sort of just works out as a curing tax for most characters 16:21:09 oh, firestarter gives flame cloud immunity now? 16:21:27 *Slow is nastier. How often do these proc anyway? 16:21:41 not all that often, in my experience with *confuse 16:21:47 that sounds nice, *Confuse is incredibly annoying, and *Slow is much less so 16:21:53 i agree 16:21:57 1/100 times you take damage 16:22:13 I support *Slow over Confuse yeah 16:24:24 PElf: and yeah, it has done for a while but wasn't made clear in the desc 16:24:28 %git 09e5b7ec26 16:24:28 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-125-g09e5b7e: Make Firestarter and Frostbite grant immunity to their respective clouds 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 7+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/09e5b7ec2628 16:25:45 that's nice. the resistances made the damage negligible anyway, but it makes sense for them to just grant the immunity 16:29:36 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:59 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:25 -!- Kenran has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:04 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:26 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:39:37 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:40:41 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:47:35 -!- cait_m has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:50:45 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:51:28 -!- Jack_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:55:02 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:03 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:59:19 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:09 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:06:43 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:09 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:10 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1580-g8817a36 (34) 17:09:25 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:29 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:10:34 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:13:23 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:41 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:48 -!- insecticide17 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:16:11 Some spicy cheibro vaults 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10678 by Cheibrodos 17:16:14 -!- THERetroGamerNY has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 17:17:29 -!- insecticide18 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:19:08 -!- Snikeer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:19:46 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:47 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:50 hm. i kind of liked elevator heist with the iron golems. especially since there were often other monsters in there that complicated trying to just steal the loot and haul off 17:22:35 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:25:36 -!- Brannock_ is now known as Brannock 17:25:50 I can't seem to find where exactly in the code that items are colored red for being forbidden 17:26:13 I thought it was in goditem.cc, but adding a check there for mutagenic food has it still purple 17:27:05 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:25 -!- insecticide19 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:29:31 -!- PudPo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:30:53 is it in the code? I thought it was the init file 17:31:35 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:31:35 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 17:31:39 there's already a check for it, probably bad colouring just overwrites forbidden colouring 17:32:10 potions of mutation are properly colored red 17:32:14 when following Zin 17:34:28 no clue how it really works but it's somehow related to dat/defaults/food_colouring.txt and dat/defaults/menu_colours.txt and the order in which they do things 17:34:33 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:35:32 Brannock: yeah, see dat/defaults for the files that are sourced in the default init file; these can be changed by user RC settings, of course 17:36:07 my rc uses most of those, then does overrides for certain things 17:36:29 by "uses most of those" I mean I don't change the relevant settings, since they're already what I want 17:39:07 -!- Cheibrodos has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:02 -!- Zymurgist has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:42 -!- protopulse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:45:50 -!- illusionary has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:45:50 -!- atrodo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:46:16 -!- lynn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:46:42 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:47:08 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:47:08 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:47:08 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:49:09 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:52:08 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:52:37 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:15 -!- lynn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:40 -!- lynn is now known as Guest42838 17:57:26 ... 17:57:40 -!- Guest42838 has quit [Client Quit] 17:57:40 $employer may have just explained why my cert is so odd 17:58:45 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:58:49 it's visible in their management console. did xcode's ui somehow confuse me into requesting it for $employer instead of for my personal account? that would make t not work with my other personal certs 17:59:06 ...but should also fail validation, which it passes locally :/ 17:59:16 either way it's still (cr)apple 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:15 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:05:25 aaand xcode7 thinks *all* my certs are for $employer. I... what 18:05:49 it didn't think that before 18:06:21 -!- Guest42838 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:41 so I guess I get to re-roll *all* my certs now. w.t.f. 18:06:46 -!- Guest42838 is now known as lynn 18:06:56 -!- lynn has quit [Changing host] 18:06:56 -!- lynn has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:56 -!- lynn has quit [Changing host] 18:06:56 -!- lynn has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:12 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:10:13 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:14:13 -!- insecticide110 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:38 ... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16963070/apple-developer-certificate-incorrect-team-id 18:15:12 which does not say what actually went wrong but very loudly implies Apple tends to issue bad certs that have to be revoked and reissued to fix. WHAT. 18:16:04 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1580-g8817a36 (34) 18:16:04 pjkmn 18:16:43 (I found out about this when $sysadmin asked me about whether they should revoke my private dev cert. which... I did not have for $employer team, only personally. Supposedly.) 18:17:31 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:23:33 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:30:17 why i don't see "cloud" status while standing in dangerous clouds? was it removed? 18:31:35 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:31:41 -!- insecticide110 has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 18:34:49 ldf: looks probably like an unintended change. there's still code that seems to be trying to put Cloud on the status bar, but i can confirm it doesn't do so for me 18:35:57 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:32 should i report a bug then? 18:37:02 sounds like a good idea to me 18:38:33 or you can fix it right now and record an interesting video in the process :p 18:38:34 oh, interesting 18:38:44 there's an rcfile option for it maybe 18:38:46 ??rcfile 18:38:46 rcfile[1/4]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt 18:39:11 but it still defaults to on 18:40:42 -!- smee has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:41:18 but sure, good suggestion. i'll record some research anyway, and maybe fix it 18:41:21 hm, it worked with option on 18:42:41 lol okay, found it. it defaults to true for tiles and false for console, the opposite of the intended behaviour 18:42:54 PF broke it a week or two ago while trying to simplify stuff 18:43:08 %git 25277184f 18:43:08 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1472-g2527718: Support bool options with multiple names 10(9 days ago, 3 files, 153+ 203-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/25277184f6e4 18:43:31 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43:50 or actually it looks like it was broken before that. weird 18:44:16 %git 5a4ca11f50e272456fe9c142962a74af19096a46 18:44:16 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1471-g5a4ca11: Refactor simple boolean initfile options 10(9 days ago, 4 files, 286+ 229-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5a4ca11f50e2 18:44:30 yes, there it is 18:44:35 i'll fix it. thanks ldf 18:45:11 -!- OrphineM has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:45:22 thanks for fixing 18:46:03 03amalloy02 07* 0.19-a0-1581-g9ee287a: Fix cloud_status rcfile option's default setting (ldf) 10(26 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9ee287a41ef8 18:52:28 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 18:54:51 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:58:38 -!- Chase_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:59:21 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:59:54 i just encountered test/monster-name.lua and it's very good 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:49 { "kobold name:wearing_mittens name_suffix", 19:00:49 { "a", "a kobold wearing mittens" }, 19:05:50 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:07:10 -!- eb has quit [] 19:09:09 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1581-g9ee287a (34) 19:11:40 geekosaur: is this implying you're going to try signing the builds again 19:12:14 once I re-roll the certs and verify they show up in the right place, yes 19:12:38 I guess I should go ahead and make 0.18.2 at some point 19:12:38 (note that when I re-roll them, it is likely that the existing signed packages will stop working for anyone) 19:14:03 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:16:33 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:16:56 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:19 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1582-g33bcc2d: Replace *Confuse with *Slow 10(7 days ago, 8 files, 15+ 25-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/33bcc2d42d97 19:18:19 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1583-g07ca538: Slightly decrease the chances of Ru passive retaliation 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/07ca5389ca58 19:18:19 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1584-g8298829: Merge griffons into hippogriffs 10(12 minutes ago, 24 files, 32+ 84-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8298829fa7e6 19:18:28 will have to untangle where I have my certs installed and remove all of them, without touching the ones for work (yet! still working on THAT mess but not getting response from sysadmins, to $boss's annoyance) then revoke them and issue new ones 19:19:15 (I will be extra annoyed if this somehow turns out to be related to $work's certificate mess, which I inherited and may end up taking over just to fix it) 19:19:57 well "inherited" actually "walked into as not-admin", although I seem to have been made an admin now apparently because I'm the only one with half a clue about how certs even work 19:22:06 -!- smltlk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:22:20 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 19:23:09 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:05 MarvinPA: I knew to wait to run objstat since I could sense more monster removals! 19:25:09 dev sense tingling 19:25:33 not sure if any of those other renames will be going through or not 19:26:26 also applies to any weapon renames 19:26:32 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: re 0c3c0ff29 19:26:36 <|amethyst> %git 0c3c0ff29 19:26:36 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-1577-g0c3c0ff: Replace Swiftness with Sprint on player ghosts 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0c3c0ff29c8b 19:27:34 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: what did you mean about tag_major_version? 19:27:56 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: oh, I see, it's removed-for-monsters 19:28:02 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: not removed altogether 19:29:13 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:31:05 <|amethyst> I might have done the griffon/hippogriff merge in the other direction (same stats), because griffons are cooler 19:31:07 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:38 <|amethyst> I guess hippogriffs have less controversial spelling 19:31:45 <|amethyst> "hippogrives" excluded 19:31:46 yeah giffons are cool, but |amethyst, hippos are cool 19:32:11 <|amethyst> If hippogrives were half hippopotamus, I would be all about that 19:32:34 first time I ever got a wand of wishing in nethack, it was randomly by killing a wumpus 19:32:42 which I took to be a magical hippo 19:32:54 that was judging by the (very tiny) tile 19:34:03 heh 19:34:33 <|amethyst> hm, that looks way too cute to be a wumpus 19:34:42 <|amethyst> also, where are the sucker feet 19:35:01 oh, hippo apparently is from the greek word meaning "horse" 19:35:07 <|amethyst> yes 19:35:13 I guess that makes sense for hippogriff 19:35:16 <|amethyst> hippopotamus is "river horse" 19:35:17 "horse bird" 19:35:38 <|amethyst> "horse griffon" 19:35:55 wow, that's many too many animal combinations 19:36:09 s/many too/maybe too/ 19:36:35 <|amethyst> it's not that it's a griffon-horse hybrid 19:36:46 <|amethyst> rather, it's "like a griffon, but replace the lion with a horse" 19:38:27 what is "like a hippogriff, but replace the griffon with an animal the replaces the lion with a horse" 19:38:28 heh 19:38:32 the name seems serviceable enough in this regard 19:38:48 oh that would be redundant 19:38:57 "it's all Greek to me" 19:38:59 what is "like a hippogriff, but replace the griffon with an animal the replaces the eagle with a shrike" 19:39:18 lastygriff 19:40:28 <|amethyst> an actual-sized shrike 19:41:10 <|amethyst> amalloy: still here? 19:41:14 yeah 19:41:48 <|amethyst> I just updated your address 19:41:58 thanks 19:42:48 <|amethyst> ooh, monster with the back half of a horse, and the front half of commit.png 19:42:53 <|amethyst> !commit dieselrobin 19:42:54 03|amethyst â› 0.19-a0-1205-g17efa68: dieselrobin 10(in the future, 44 files, 303+ 312-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=17efa68 19:43:33 hippodieselrobin 19:47:02 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:05 amalloy: ty for fixing cloud status; i noticed that was broken and then forgot to write it down 19:47:08 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:30 PleasingFungus: when my commit starts crashing everyone's games, you can fix it this time 19:47:59 lol 19:48:33 !lm magicalfaerieponies crash zotdef 19:48:34 124. [2016-09-14 13:32:16] magicalfaerieponies the Englaciator (L21 MfWz of Okawaru) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster curse skull failed to pathfind to (39,26) (the Orb) (Zot) 19:48:52 !lm * crash zotdef 19:48:53 673. [2016-09-14 13:32:16] magicalfaerieponies the Englaciator (L21 MfWz of Okawaru) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster curse skull failed to pathfind to (39,26) (the Orb) (Zot) 19:48:56 wow, has anyone looked at cwz lately? 19:49:02 like, webzook.net 19:49:23 yeah 19:49:27 has it always looked like this? 19:49:56 it did get an overhaul some months back I think 19:50:00 dang 19:50:01 I recall it being like this in last t 19:50:09 someone should probably contact the admin at some point, anyway 19:50:11 i'm not sure how 19:50:48 -!- PElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 19:51:07 contact them about what in particular? 19:51:12 ??cwz 19:51:12 cwz[1/1]: Crawl server (webtiles-only) located in Korea; the server admin goes by hong on irc. http://webzook.net:8080/ 19:51:26 doesn't show up a lot in irc, nor does hong usually respond to email 19:51:32 the version of trunk they're running is pretty old, and causing freezing cloud/battlesphere crashes 19:51:35 ah 19:51:42 Keskitalo: any feedback? 19:52:28 -!- MarvinPA has left ##crawl-dev 19:52:56 gammafunk: also, have you seen the ol' spicy cheibro? 19:53:02 (10678) 19:53:09 !bug 10678 19:53:10 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10678 19:53:22 oh 19:53:35 not in a few days, but yeah thanks for pointing that out 19:53:37 missed that one 19:53:50 it's from today, i think 19:53:53 i'm just making a reference 19:54:05 look at that, referencing me 19:54:09 #shamelessly hacked from gamma's depths entrance 19:54:11 I stole that from someone else! 19:54:19 oh? 19:54:32 yeah, classic grave vault I reworked as a U entrance 19:54:41 in fact it was a D vault 19:54:41 heh 19:54:49 ! 19:54:53 no reason we can't have another though 19:54:54 probably that subst can produce teleport closets, also 19:55:01 though it's very unlikely 19:55:33 yeah 19:55:57 -!- qguv has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:56:16 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: re your email, I just changed amalloy's address, so you only need to worry about bh I guess 19:56:19 wow do we really have no better depths lava monsters than salamanders 19:56:35 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:42 I'll probably tell him to just put something that can fly 19:56:49 <|amethyst> !tell bh dobrazupa.org is getting "retry timeout exceeded" when trying to send you mail from the secret list 19:56:50 |amethyst: OK, I'll let bh know. 19:57:09 the secret list...! 19:57:19 wow, are we allowed to admit that exists? 19:57:32 <|amethyst> as long as you don't mention the address :) 19:57:37 haha 19:58:57 the address is....hippo@foddershock.com 19:59:26 <|amethyst> hey 19:59:27 <|amethyst> that domain is free 19:59:34 dang 19:59:42 <|amethyst> IMO register it right now before someone notices my query 19:59:59 <|amethyst> oh, sorry 20:00:01 <|amethyst> the .org is free 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:11 <|amethyst> the .com is parked 20:00:15 haha 20:00:25 <|amethyst> they want $1695 for the .com, no thanks 20:00:26 I'm not interested in merely academic foddershocking 20:00:37 <|amethyst> that would be .edu 20:01:17 <|amethyst> btw, I like that parked page's user testimonials 20:01:21 <|amethyst> ***** Thanks 20:01:27 <|amethyst> ***** Great 20:02:01 Scott Greenough of scottgreenough.com agress 20:02:08 *agrees 20:02:21 -!- dwightdl has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:02:45 hell, if you can't trust Scott... 20:03:11 <|amethyst> man, that must suck 20:03:24 <|amethyst> you go to register a domain for your name, which is not a common one 20:03:27 <|amethyst> and it's taken 20:03:33 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:04:12 <|amethyst> s/taken/parked/ 20:05:06 <|amethyst> I mean, both my given and surname are fairly common, so I expected it for myself 20:05:56 the other day i saw a link to a site that will suggest domain names based on a company name 20:06:09 i could have amalloy.rip for $40/year 20:06:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:06:48 ya' 20:06:50 rip 20:07:02 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1585-g16daf77: Beer and strudels for Brannock 10(76 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/16daf7759946 20:07:27 how did you know these are my favorite things 20:07:59 oh, we didn't tell you that telepathy is a crawl devteam perk? 20:08:07 god, whoever wrote that new member guide was really slacking... 20:08:09 ahh, new intrinsics... 20:08:14 congrats/welcome, Brannock 20:09:01 Brannock: do you have permissions to edit https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:devteam , or do I need to poke at your account more? 20:09:14 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1584-g8298829 (34) 20:09:16 I can edit 20:09:42 Go ahead and add yourself, then. Try to make your 'info' section at LEAST as exciting as mine 20:10:10 wow, lasty actually keeps his updated! 20:10:49 <|amethyst> Brannock: what's your preferred email for top-secret messages? the one you commit with? 20:10:54 well, it's not like he's ever around doing other things lately =p 20:10:56 isaac.sloat@gmail.com 20:11:03 ProzacElf: rude! :) 20:11:07 haha 20:12:04 hm, the new dev checklist seems to think we have exactly three servers, one of which is cszo 20:12:18 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: that was true when I wrote it! 20:12:26 i believe you :) 20:12:49 also, do we need to get dpeg to add brannock to the committer group in ##crawl-dev? i apparently don't have permissions 20:12:57 and grunt, regrettably, is dead 20:13:29 our irc bus factor is not very high. 20:13:53 -!- cait_m has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:15:09 irc bus? 20:15:16 incorrect binding! 20:16:12 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:16:22 PleasingFungus: what is the magical incantation again? 20:16:22 dpeg: You have 8 messages. Use !messages to read them. 20:16:35 * dpeg suggests that we add devs on a weekly basis, so he can finally remember it! 20:16:53 poor grunt 20:17:25 i'm worried he may actually like his current job... 20:17:35 he'll never come back to us! 20:18:00 Brannock: cheers and welcome! 20:18:20 Thank you :) 20:19:15 hrm, i can't find any way to edit users on wordpress 20:19:49 PleasingFungus: I think I can do that. 20:20:01 Brannock: what's your CDO nick? 20:20:26 Should be Brannock 20:22:06 Brannock: sorry to pester again -- same email address as above? 20:22:16 yes 20:23:04 Brannock: probably simplest if you add yourself to https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss 20:23:13 if you haven't already 20:23:26 I got evk's email this morning so I should be on the C-R-D list 20:23:33 ait 20:23:43 I think I joined that one years ago 20:25:09 Brannock: you should be an Editor for wordpress now. Use your powers wisely. (Hint: making fun of players is very wise!) 20:25:16 :) 20:26:55 PleasingFungus: we have to pray for recession, so that Grunt gets fired and can find happiness in Crawl once again. 20:27:05 hm... 20:27:09 i'll have to consider it. 20:27:11 :) 20:27:40 Who of Hillary and Donald is praying for recession? (A) Him. (B) Her. (C) Both. 20:27:54 ??brannock 20:27:54 I don't have a page labeled brannock in my learndb. 20:28:01 ??pleasingfungus 20:28:01 pleasingfungus[1/27]: oops 20:28:06 good first entry 20:28:31 !learn add Brannock One of them. 20:28:32 Brannock[1/1]: One of them. 20:29:54 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:30:53 -!- joy1999 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:43 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 20:34:33 -!- sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:45:01 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:52:42 looks like grunt.rip is not registered 20:53:18 haha 20:56:13 and you can get ripandte.ar for only $168! 20:57:50 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:57:51 rip grunt 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:03 that's value town right there 21:03:07 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Client Quit] 21:09:09 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1585-g16daf77 (34) 21:09:33 -!- dwightdl has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 21:09:42 -!- Pekkekk has quit [] 21:11:46 grats Brannock 21:12:05 all I did was bug the devteam enough with all my PRs :) 21:12:28 I think everything on the new dev checklist is done except setting me as a dev on Tavern, and giving me admin rights on the various servers 21:12:46 I have accounts on all the Western servers afaik 21:14:15 -!- smltlk has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:14:27 -!- Brannock has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:42 assassinated already 21:15:15 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 21:29:34 heh 21:30:03 dpeg, I asked you a couple weeks ago about Fen Elves, but I think I forgot to send you the link to the PR for you to review: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/329 If you have time, I'd greatly appreciate any opinion/feedback you can give 21:31:17 -!- joy1999 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31:39 mpa and gammafunk were anti-fen, iirc. something about it not solving the 'real problems' of the race (presumably that it's just an apt tweak, which is passe these days?) 21:32:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:32:26 it's an apt-focused race. I think there was a request to give them something special (beyond just aptitudes) 21:32:38 I'm wary of introducing a gimmick just for the sake of it, though 21:33:09 yeah 21:33:42 i don't think there's a huge cost to changing races, so i'd say the right question is, "is this better than status quo?" are fen elves more interesting than high elves? 21:33:43 idk 21:34:05 anyway I was just curious if dpeg thought I was on the right track with the flavor, as to my knowledge he's strongly anti-Tolkien, and Fen Elves may still be too close to HE 21:34:08 all swamp-branch-native monsters are neutral to you 21:34:22 and aren't they bog elves now? 21:34:23 that was a suggestion, yeah 21:34:35 to be able to use BE instead of Fn and break abbreviation pattern 21:34:56 going to Swamp Elf would be a funny historical joke 21:35:03 and make my scoreboard code hate you a little bit 21:37:15 lol 21:37:39 oh yeah, BEBe... 21:37:54 BEAr 21:39:03 PleasingFungus: about your mennas comment 21:39:31 PleasingFungus: one of my commits basically changed mennas weapon to trishula/sacred scourge or eudemon blade with +0-+5 21:40:04 the other commit was sort of overwritten junk 21:40:26 so the PR is basically a weapon upgrade, and incidentally gives a trishula 21:41:02 oh PleasingFungus, why do you assign all resolved bugs to you on Mantis? Is there a reason? 21:41:10 it's automatic 21:41:16 Oh, I didn't know 21:41:18 something about the built-in workflow 21:41:22 i'd have to poke at it to make it not do that 21:43:44 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:44:35 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/358 * 0.19-a0-1533-gca72dbe: Upgrade Mennas' weapon 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 9+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ca72dbe2070b 21:46:01 is there a problem with PR #340? 21:47:32 @??antaeus 21:47:32 Antaeus (11C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 573-776 | AC/EV: 28/4 | Dam: 7512(cold:22-65), 3012(cold:22-65) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious, evil, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 11elec+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 16944 | Sp: b.lightning (3d25) [06!sil], flash freeze (3d29) [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: h.. 21:47:57 iirc mpa was concerned about making it less obvious that a cantrip was being cast? i don't have a strong opinion 21:49:31 any uncertainty would be short-lived I suspect 21:50:16 I shall flex my power as dev... 21:50:38 03Brannock02 07* 0.19-a0-1355-gdf1bd91: Cantrip message variety (9055, Xelif) 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/df1bd916ae53 21:50:38 03Brannock02 {GitHub} 07* 0.19-a0-1587-gaef70b6: Merge pull request #340 from isloat/cantrips 10(6 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aef70b689da6 21:53:08 Speaking of, are cantrips functionally different than monspeech? 21:53:18 I know cantrips help reduce the chance that a monster will cast something else instead 21:53:31 But cantrip message variety don't seem too different to me than a large variety in monspeech 21:54:13 well, non-cantrips generally also have other messages 21:54:42 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:55:14 Oh, that merge thing reminds me. Is there a way to rebase and commit directly from GitHub? 21:55:23 not afaik 21:55:51 Also, do you guys fork /crawl then work from there, or do you make branches on crawl/crawl locally, or work on master locally, or..? 21:57:18 latter two 21:57:33 amalloy occasionally makes pull requests, so i assume he forks for that? 21:58:16 I'll probably make pull requests for non-trivial commits until I'm confident that I'm able to consistently do stuff that won't break the game (or require multiple recommits) 21:58:54 tossing up branches is also reasonable 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:59 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 22:02:03 PleasingFungus, did you guys resolve the randart/artefact launcher bug from last night? 22:02:09 ya 22:02:12 I still haven't been able to reproduce it 22:02:16 Oh good, what was the problem? 22:02:38 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 22:02:52 %git 716afb1df317af5f99cc890c059300c3dea9d242 22:02:52 07amalloy02 * 0.19-a0-1563-g716afb1: Fix a crash when wielding artefact launchers (PleasingFungus) 10(25 hours ago, 1 file, 43+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/716afb1df317 22:02:55 ^ 22:03:39 c++ pointers..! 22:03:55 Okay, your take on new Punk? 22:04:15 Now that it no longer kills games, of course 22:04:45 imo it should do some acid damage 22:05:00 Right, the other devs mentioned that too 22:05:16 Acid bite had acid damage hardcoded into it 22:05:20 Probably good to move that into the brand 22:06:09 !source melee_attack.cc:1104 22:06:09 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc#L1104 22:06:38 I'll add a todo and do that tomorrow 22:07:02 fwiw, i'm not sure the acid bite actually does acid damage 22:07:13 gammafunk mentioned that I think 22:07:20 -!- Tickenest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:07:36 would be a very mild buff to yellow drac 22:07:40 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:07:45 he felt that the acid bite should be left untouched. i refuse to opine 22:07:58 a brave new world 22:07:59 well, i guess i already agreed with him... 22:08:16 doesn't count 22:08:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:09:12 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1587-gaef70b6 (34) 22:11:29 darnit, adding 2d4 to splash_with_acid would affect acid wands and acid spit... 22:11:35 will have to handle that too 22:11:52 or maybe there's a better way to handle the bonus damage 22:12:18 check how af_acid does it, imo 22:12:52 no bonus damage it seems? 22:12:57 !source melee_attack.cc:2844 22:12:57 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc#L2844 22:13:17 !source splash_defender_with_acid 22:13:17 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc#L2459 22:13:32 check out the special damage there 22:13:50 oh that's a better function to call than splash_with_acid 22:13:58 why do we have splash_with_acid and splash_defender_with_acid? 22:13:59 such great function names 22:14:47 this one is for melee-attack only 22:14:50 Punk is ranged 22:14:53 !lg * ktyp=acid s=ckiller 22:14:55 34148 games for * (ktyp=acid): 13534x acid, 12812x a jelly, 2197x an oklob plant, 1521x an acid blob, 1089x an ugly thing, 450x an oklob sapling, 432x Ijyb, 248x a deep elf sorcerer, 213x Pikel, 195x a caustic shrike, 122x Maurice, 109x an orc, 92x a very ugly thing, 80x a tengu reaver, 76x the royal jelly, 75x an ancient lich, 73x a draconian, 70x a spiny worm, 67x a brown ooze, 58x Joseph, 58x a... 22:15:15 !lg * ktyp=acid s=ckiller recent 22:15:16 jesus, 432 ijyb kills already 22:15:16 8913 games for * (ktyp=acid recent): 4490x a jelly, 998x an oklob plant, 734x an acid blob, 493x an ugly thing, 425x Ijyb, 249x acid, 208x Pikel, 157x a deep elf sorcerer, 122x Maurice, 108x an orc, 106x a caustic shrike, 68x an oklob sapling, 57x Joseph, 53x a centaur, 42x a tengu reaver, 41x an ancient lich, 41x a gnoll, 38x an orc wizard, 36x a draconian, 33x a lich, 33x a very ugly thing, 30x ... 22:16:34 okay it looks like splash_defender_with_acid exists because monster::splash_with_acid only corrodes, but player::splash_with_acid does extra damage 22:16:48 so splash_defender_with_acid applies the extra damage if defender is player, THEN calls splash_with_acid 22:16:58 s/player/monster 22:18:19 so a half-duplicated function. I'll look at simplifying that 22:18:40 would be simple enough to move that function from melee-attack to attack.cc, but refactoring probably wouldn't go amiss 22:20:09 i would like some maths help 22:20:14 the answer is 4 22:20:21 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.1/20160817112116]] 22:20:29 surely there is a better way to write this logic than a for loop: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/273/files#diff-305f86c47329fb43b5b1aebe2fb9ed0fR3108 22:21:27 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/273 * 0.19-a0-1563-gd1da23a: Show average monster hitpoints in x-v. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 33+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d1da23a33319 22:21:31 (it turns out the range for HP means I need to either cut off the top 40% of the scale or use some sort of pip scaling like I do here 22:21:34 ) 22:22:37 but i'm not sure what equation I can use to figure out how many bars there are when the pips scale 22:26:35 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/273 * 0.19-a0-1563-g9664d26: Show average monster hitpoints in x-v. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 30+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9664d26812eb 22:29:16 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:29:42 -!- AnFair has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:31:00 -!- joy19999 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:44 -!- cmcbot has quit [Excess Flood] 22:34:18 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:35:29 !lg * 6000000 22:35:31 6000000/6159540. Erlindor the Firebug (L2 TeFE), slain by a worm on D:2 on 2016-08-07 21:00:27, with 15 points after 720 turns and 0:00:53. 22:35:37 passed six million recorded games a few weeks ago 22:38:30 chequers, I can help you with that tomorrow, just remind me 22:38:35 I think it's just a matter of scaling it 22:38:37 not sure 22:39:06 !tell Brannock reminder 22:39:06 chequers: OK, I'll let brannock know. 22:39:13 :) 22:40:28 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:40:32 -!- cait_m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:22 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:16 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:50:22 Brannock: oh, I'm working on a patch to replace HE with a giant (possibly only large) species, 22:50:52 the idea is something that was discussed some time ago, kind of inspired by the old ogre mage species, but the basic ideas are 22:51:31 1) giant/large so you have the slot restrictions of Og/Tr, and with generally poor defensive skills, but high HP apt (possibly just +2, like Na, could be +3) 22:52:03 probably fairly flat aptitudes, on the magical side at least, but could have non-flat for hexes/charms, like your fen elves 22:52:17 also might retain the "bad at evocations" part 22:52:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:52:51 elliptic had said back during this discussion that it'd be nice if this species couldn't use a GSC 22:53:12 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:53:34 but one way to still allow that but make it less blindingly obvious to choose maces for 2h melee is to have their melee apts be kind of poor 22:54:03 Og have a lack of decisions there in part due to the +3 apt, but even with +0 you'd still want a GC/GSC 22:54:19 it would be a "strength/int" species, I think 22:54:29 in terms of stats 22:55:07 but I don't have a specific theme, I toyed with the idea of "Dryad" even though those aren't historically large, but then I looked at how many species we have that begin with D... 22:55:28 -!- AndChat|179025 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:57:07 something bog/swamp themed is certainly still possible; the idea of them being especially good at earth+air is also possible, I guess 22:57:46 but in terms of aptitudes, magic-oriented species without apts that are neither high nor particularly focused was part of the species idea 22:58:08 charms/hexes I'm more ok with them being non-flat since those aren't direct damage for the most part 22:59:49 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:11 anyhow I'll try to get a patch ready in the next day or so and post it to get feedback from others, especially those who discussed this idea previously, to make sure I'm doing something close to what people were thinking of 23:07:29 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:12:02 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:52 i liked the fen elf idea keeping the blade and bow apts though 23:14:00 fwiw 23:17:31 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 23:20:25 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:22:36 -!- Alatreon has joined ##crawl-dev 23:22:56 idk if should ask this here, but can we get @??'s for bullfrogs and frilled lizards? 23:22:56 Alatreon: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:23:06 !message 23:23:06 You probably meant !messages, or possibly !tell. 23:23:12 !messages 23:23:12 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (2d 15m 30s ago): !source mon-project.cc:657 23:24:32 @??frilled lizard 23:24:32 frilled lizard (07l) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-3 | AC/EV: 0/15 | Dam: 3 | cold-blooded | XP: 1 | Sp: sprint [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 23:24:39 @??bullfrog 23:24:39 unknown monster: "bullfrog" 23:25:00 %git :/bullfrog 23:25:00 07Brannock02 {PleasingFungus} * 0.19-a0-1557-gd6d7ee1: Rename giant frogs to bullfrogs 10(31 hours ago, 22 files, 46+ 41-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d6d7ee119bf8 23:27:40 -!- Cheibrodos has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:22 so what "giant" enemies still are in the games outside of giants 23:28:43 ?/giant 23:28:43 Matching terms (28): fire_giant, frost_giant, giant, giant_amoeba, giant_ant, giant_beetle, giant_blowfly, giant_club, giant_cockroach, giant_eyeball, giant_firefly, giant_frog, giant_gecko, giant_iguana, giant_leech, giant_mite, giant_mosquito, giant_newt, giant_orange_brain, giant_spiked_club, giant_spiked_demon_blade, giant_spore, giantrobin, hill_giant, iron_giant, stone_giant, the_fire_giant,... 23:29:12 ?/^giant 23:29:13 Matching terms (21): giant, giant_amoeba, giant_ant, giant_beetle, giant_blowfly, giant_club, giant_cockroach, giant_eyeball, giant_firefly, giant_frog, giant_gecko, giant_iguana, giant_leech, giant_mite, giant_mosquito, giant_newt, giant_orange_brain, giant_spiked_club, giant_spiked_demon_blade, giant_spore, giantrobin; entries (4): chokowaru_wrath[1] | giant_spore[2] | mold[1] | todo_monsters[4] 23:29:25 why were giant frogs renamed? 23:29:31 because of giant 23:29:39 you could say there was a... 23:29:39 ? 23:29:41 giant bikeshed 23:29:56 that doesn't explain anything 23:30:41 pyanfar «crawl:master» Z$ grep -o -P 'MONS\S+GIANT\S+' mon-pick-data.h| sort -u 23:30:42 MONS_GIANT_COCKROACH MONS_GIANT_ORANGE_BRAIN 23:30:43 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:30:53 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:08 -!- joy1999 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:19 -!- Dracunos_ has quit [Client Quit] 23:31:29 it does, actually; there was a specific complaint that "giant" was being overused 23:31:34 as an adjective 23:32:03 ... 23:32:06 I think the concern there was mostly about monsters that weren't actually giant size 23:32:10 but had giant in their names 23:32:11 this is far from the first time things have been renamed like this; all the snakes got renamed back in 0.6 23:32:26 -!- joy1999 has quit [Client Quit] 23:32:31 because small snake, snake, snake 23:32:33 so do bullfrogs have a louder shout? 23:32:42 than giant frogs did? 23:32:54 it was a rename only 23:32:58 yeah 23:33:04 a lot of things have gotten renamed 23:33:21 I think the plan is to rename all the great ____ stuff too 23:33:32 then don't mislead people with this: Its croak is loud and distinctive 23:33:56 which makes it sound like it has a louder shout 23:34:55 no, if you read that desc in full, it doesn't mislead people 23:37:41 An unusually aggressive amphibian that pursues its prey with rapid hops. Its croak is loud and distinctive, but unlike its smaller counterparts above ground, the dungeon bullfrog is as large as it sounds. 23:37:50 <|amethyst> it's the same loudness as a yak 23:37:56 <|amethyst> that's pretty loud for an amphibian 23:38:20 <|amethyst> (granted, all the frogs in Crawl are that loud) 23:38:29 gammafunk: did you consider allowing GSC with specifically bad apts for m&f? 23:38:29 weird that shouts have different volumes at all 23:39:27 chequers: that's someone that was brought up, yes. Probably not too hard to justify, but I'd like to get somethign more concrete flavor-wise for the race in general 23:39:31 do branches still have background volume levels? 23:39:35 <|amethyst> Wensley: yes 23:39:41 bring back hive 23:39:56 buzzzzzz 23:39:57 it is! pleasingfungus re-added it as a portal a few weeks ago 23:40:14 remove deep elf, replace with this giant race. perhaps call it giant elf. 23:40:50 that reminds me, rename high elf to hill elf, hell elf, hick elf, or something else that still abbreviates to HE, instead of fen elf 23:41:24 what if we renamed felid to cat elder, centaur to horse elf, and high elf to fen elf? 23:41:25 hen elf 23:41:51 you can't have both FE and Fe in the same game, surely. have felids been removed, be still my heart? 23:41:58 no 23:42:13 and you still wouldn't be able to reuse FE 23:42:14 the devs tried removing felids, but those extra lives... 23:42:18 I like High -> Hill. double entendre! 23:42:19 we rethemed hive, it's now louder and full of cats 23:42:27 gammafunk: +1 23:42:37 chequers: Mountain Elves 23:42:42 heh 23:43:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:43:26 why are we renaming high elves, anyway 23:44:57 %git :/Fen 23:44:57 07Brannock02 * 0.19-a0-1224-g87c11b8: Convert High Elves into Fen Elves. 10(3 weeks ago, 12 files, 138+ 72-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/87c11b82dd6f 23:46:49 minmay: "Tapping into the legacy of Sludge Elves" ;_; rip sludge elves 23:47:08 it's a legacy that instead my lie forever in the mud 23:47:16 *may 23:47:18 renaming my least favorite race into my removed favorite 23:47:21 classic crawldev 23:49:50 are orcs gonna be renamed then? 23:50:05 if the goal is for less tolkien influences and more distinct flavor? 23:50:34 <|amethyst> baby steps 23:51:10 *hobbit steps 23:52:23 felid steps >.> 23:53:19 <|amethyst> I still want to see a version of crawl reskinned as sci-fi 23:54:04 |amethyst: hill orcs aren't tolkien, they don't need changing. but halflings definitely need to be renamed into kobolds 23:54:30 Wensley: ha and ko got tweaks recently 23:54:33 and given all the stats that kobolds currently have 23:54:35 <|amethyst> every time someone says that, someone else goes and changes both races to make them more distinct 23:54:48 %git :/Kobold 23:54:48 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-1506-ge972ad5: Simplify some size-based weapon handedness checks 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 51+ 51-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e972ad551e97 23:54:53 <|amethyst> keep it up and kobols will be Size: huge 23:54:58 <|amethyst> s/kobol/&d/ 23:55:01 !gitgrep 2 Kobold 23:55:02 %git HEAD^{/Kobold}^^{/Kobold} 23:55:02 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-1398-g1264885: Differentiate Halfling/Kobold apts and stats once again 10(4 weeks ago, 2 files, 25+ 26-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1264885cdf93 23:55:02 giant spiked kobolds 23:55:06 see that commit 23:56:07 <|amethyst> FR: jiangshi unique with a band of kobold pets 23:58:11 Cheibrodos: saw your vaults, will work on them soon