00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:55 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:09:08 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:09:30 yeah, no more moves with sub 100 hp on the orb run for me I think 00:10:25 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:11:17 well, you have joined a club with many esteemed members 00:11:45 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:11:49 !lm . orb !won -game 00:11:50 amalloy:cao:20151007055458S. amalloy the Formicid Cataclysm (L27 FoAr of Qazlal), blasted by Qurch the pandemonium lord (chain lightning) on Depths:5 on 2015-11-08 00:55:02, with 637206 points after 76381 turns and 6:26:43. 00:12:25 technically I was already in the club. but they were all just messing around with orb ninja 00:13:06 -!- zeia has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:22:15 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: +04: The Summerlands] 00:25:50 !lm . orb !won -log 00:25:51 chequers, XL23 VSFi, T:36525: https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/chequers/morgue-chequers-20151022-094635.txt 00:26:30 i guess that counts as orb ninja 00:27:36 there were 4 or maybe 5 OOFs visible at once while i was blinking my way to the orb. i stopped to remind all the viewers that this is a great example of why it's a bad idea to killdudes zot:5 even as MiBe 00:27:59 I don't get it 00:28:13 you were ninjaing the orb, so stopping to killdudes would indeed be bad 00:28:24 but you don't fight 5 oof when just clearing a lung 00:28:55 you could probably collect them while blinking 00:29:15 not sure what you mean, when just clearing a lung. they were all like real close together; if you tried to killdudes that lung they would all be on top of you very quickly 00:29:49 I've never ever fought more than two or maybe three oof when clearing a lung, and that was my decision 00:30:04 -!- ChaseSP has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:30:09 what do you do instead, when there are a large number of them in one lung? 00:30:10 and vast majority of the time it was just one; you have complete control over the situation 00:30:35 I don't blink adjacent to a giant group of oof and start fighting them, if that's what you mean 00:30:39 !lg * current zot / zot:5 00:30:40 456/750 games for * (current zot): N=456/750 (60.80%) 00:30:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:30:58 no, of course. but just walking in would have presented a similar problem 00:30:59 i've always felt the density of monsters in zot:5 is sort of low. Although I think the lethality is about right 00:31:02 you have haste, blink scrolls, passage etc to fall back to a favorable position 00:31:22 and if you add more trash draconians that could interfere with the lethality of liches/oofs 00:31:25 pull an the orb to stairs above, etc 00:31:49 chequers: the monsters are pretty dense inside the hall of zot 00:32:01 this game there was actually only one monster outside the hall of zot, weirdly. a single moth of wrath 00:32:39 i dunno, I just feel for the ultimate level it should be a real zoo 00:32:39 50% more, say 00:32:39 imo it already is 00:32:39 I think you have to stop and think what you want the vault to achieve 00:32:52 making Zot:$ even more full of enemies seems like not the best idea 00:32:55 you don't start from "what density does it have" but rather "what is this vault intended to do" 00:33:04 sometimes I've had to chew through 10+ ancient liches in a single lung to make it to the orb 00:33:05 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [] 00:33:11 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:32 if the vault is intended to force you to teleport randomly + blink to grab the orb and leave 00:33:38 you might indeed want higher density 00:34:06 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:15 if the vault is to make the decision to fight through it vs. do a ninja a meaningful decision, you have to be careful with making it too dense 00:34:21 and likewise too sparse 00:34:42 -!- Greenflame has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:34:47 tbh I suspect adding more density right now in the form of draconians would make the level easier, since you could block alich/oof sight more easily 00:34:59 like I don't agree with what amalloy is saying, that a mibe-like character "really wants to ninja"; I think they can clear the vault very safely 00:35:21 not that they can't also ninja, but the difference isn't terribly meaningful, it can be done either way 00:35:33 some characters more strongly want to ninja the orb 00:36:04 you're probably right, gammafunk. i'm comparing to sort of a bad killdudes strategy, not a good one. but i think it's not totally crazy for me to do so, because a lot of the people who killdudes don't do so very safely 00:36:29 yeah, I agree people clear the vault really poorly 00:36:42 in suprising and creative ways even 00:38:12 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [Client Quit] 00:38:45 I remember tabbing the vault to death after landing in the orb chamber once 00:38:51 which is peak bad idea 00:39:28 i think attempting to orb ninja as a vs was a particularly bad idea 00:40:16 ninja is mostly about getting each turn right; you can do it just fine as a VS, but don't screw up! 00:41:01 indeed 00:41:12 passage trick is very popular these days 00:44:19 whats that 00:45:28 it's OP as heck 00:46:17 chequers: you can see one example of it in lm amalloy opwz zin orb -tv:>2 or something like that 00:46:34 basically you PoG at the stairs, teleport or blink onto the orb, and then PoG back instantly 00:46:46 tldr; passage near the zot:5 upstairs you want, teleport near orb, quickly apport/grab 00:46:53 make passage nearby, it takes you back to stairs passage 00:47:14 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:47:30 you'll make two passages near the orb, and the one you take might take you to the other nearby passage, in which case just go in that one again, and then you're at stairs 00:47:47 limited time before the passage closes, but it's easy enough 00:48:14 That one trick, devs hate it! 00:48:18 ah 00:48:25 i thought there was a pog distance limit?? 00:48:28 the hardest part is getting to a spot where you can comfortably put down a portal without risking a monster stepping in it and ruining everything 00:48:29 did i dream that 00:48:37 you must have 00:48:39 nope! just a time limit at which point the passage closes 00:49:19 while i'm dreaming of things, did orb ever stop contam natural dispersal 00:49:33 i think i did an orb run in my dreams last night, and I kept using haste and I got to dark red contam and it would only go down through malmuts 00:49:42 cc minmay 00:53:56 -!- Zekka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:52 Branch exit of Shoals seems to have disappeared 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10665 by Godmorgon 00:55:15 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:28 ah yes, water nymphs... 00:56:53 instead of replacing features with shallow water, could we set a "flooded" flag on them? 00:57:24 to get something the same mechanically but different visibly 01:00:25 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:00:25 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:28 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:01:15 amalloy: my relevant todo item is make (x)amining a temporarily changed terrain tile show whatever it was originally 01:01:15 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:01:40 i don't think that solves this problem, because players won't remember which square had the < 01:01:55 a flooded flag has the problem of being less obvious and more prone to cause issues with the many places we look for (shallow )water, i suspect 01:01:56 and if they did they wouldn't think to xv it anyway 01:02:08 not xv! 01:02:10 just x 01:02:54 the most common complaint is the stairs getting flooded out from under you, which is what happened there 01:03:00 and there actually is special messaging for that 01:03:06 this guy just wasn't paying attention :) 01:03:22 anyway, remembering where the stairs were in that case seems pretty easy 01:03:52 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 01:05:15 the problem with that is it doesn't address exactly what this guy tried to do, which is X< to look for the exit 01:06:10 i think it's better to keep the feature as exit_shoals but with extra decoration indicating it's flooded, than mark it as shallow water with extra decoration indicating it's actually a shoals exit 01:06:48 especially in tiles, where you could actually render a staircase overlaid on top of some kind of water 01:07:26 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:07:58 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:10:52 If you think you have a good implementation, I'd be happy to review it. 01:12:04 :p 01:14:35 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:15:27 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1494-gdfa627f: Add default force_more for stair-drowning (10665) 10(67 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dfa627ff73cf 01:18:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:19:03 -!- joy1999 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:03 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1493-gd0fcaa6 (34) 01:20:51 -!- airwolf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:21:45 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:28:12 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:34:25 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:34:30 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:35:29 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:35:54 ug, we have to *implement* things?! 01:36:24 horrible, isn't it? 01:36:32 it's just so unfair... 01:36:49 self-programming games when 01:37:11 technically, crawl does write some of its own code 01:38:54 fr make all crawl code just artefact logic 01:39:12 Lasty... 01:44:14 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:55 -!- Idolo has quit [] 01:48:10 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:52:10 gammafunk: Sorry, I missed your message when I put my computer to sleep yesterday.... At the time I'd suggested pak charging reducing wand max charges, piety cost wasn't a thing, but I think it'd be fine to have max charge reduction+piety cost, as for rods, I just made them unchargable, they charge themselves, and having pak's regular old "charge" ability be able to do the same thing as a scroll of charging would be silly, maybe yo 01:52:33 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:17 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:53:22 Siegurt: your message got cut off a bit 01:53:42 unless "silly, maybe you" was a cutting insult! 01:53:52 Sorry It's been a while i forgot about IRC's message limit 01:53:53 wouldn't be the first time I've been dunked on the internet 01:54:00 silly, maybe you could have it refresh some of their charges, but it'd be weird to have it increase or decrease the max wand charges (or recharge rate) The version I put a patch up for retains a lot of bits of Pak that probably aren't required, but I think the associated conduct (which isn't either the same as Pak's former conduct, nor is it tied in any way to reducing wand's max charges) is interesting. 01:54:46 I'm habitually verbose 01:54:46 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:54:55 sorry, "have it refresh some of their charges"? What does that part mean? 01:55:34 dcss-ca modified how ?recharging works -- it increases max changes as before but reduces the max charges by 1/3 01:55:36 Like pak's quick charge ability could add some charges to a rod, I don't see it being a particularly good thing though. 01:55:48 and I'm a little confused by what you mean when you say "it'd be weird to have it increase/decrease max wand charges", since your proposal does decrease them? 01:55:58 Sorry, I meant rod charges 01:55:58 oh, that's referring to rods? 01:56:01 Yes 01:56:19 no, deffo it shouldn't change max/min rod charge, or or charge at all 01:56:21 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1494-gdfa627f 01:56:21 For wands, my suggestion is that it adds current charges, and reduces max charge a bit 01:56:27 it should only affect rod mana if it affects anything, probably 01:56:32 I didn't think really it should do anything for rods. 01:56:42 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.1/20160817112116]] 01:56:44 But if we felt like it really should maybe it could refresh some of it's mana 01:56:51 But even that seems silly 01:57:03 what's the diff between rod "charge" and "mana"? 01:57:09 is charge the +? 01:57:16 chequers: charge is the recharge rate for the mana pool 01:57:17 for rods 01:57:28 as in higher value, faster mana restore 01:57:31 er 01:57:35 also there's the max mp it has 01:57:38 Rods are weird, they have a recharge rate, a current and max mana pool. 01:57:38 there are two values 01:57:59 yeah one value affects the max mp you can have in the rod (relevant to how many times you can use the rod spell) 01:58:08 the other value makes it recharge faster, the higher that value is 01:58:08 ok yep 01:58:29 used to use plus1 and plu2, the values used by weapon for to-hit/to-dam 01:58:29 I think supercharge's effect on rods is fine, I think quick charge should have no effect. 01:58:33 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:58:46 hrm 01:58:53 I suppose that's not the weirdest thing 01:59:05 finesse only effects melee weapons 01:59:15 it's a bit odd ot have the ability focused on literally one item type 01:59:40 pak does have another ability, surge, which does affect rods 01:59:43 yes 02:00:20 and then the capstone as you say, but that's much less important in terms of balance/decision making 02:00:20 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:20 Didn't surge effect any evocable that uses evocation power? 02:00:20 sadly, not quite 02:00:24 various special evokables ignore surge 02:00:32 e.g. staff of dispater 02:00:44 Fair enough 02:00:51 mostly since the formula they use wasn't ameanable to the surge power increase formula 02:01:15 I think it was mostly since their formulas were based on scaling up to max power at 27 evo 02:01:25 so surge can take power levels beyond that for such items 02:01:39 The other thing I put in the patch I wrote, was I took away the 'heal mana on kills' and replaced it with an ability to break evocables and get mana back that way, and uppped the gifting formula. Which I don't think has any relationship to the wand/max charge thing. 02:01:42 a fixable problem, but maybe a different fix for each 02:02:05 well specifically not gifting a billion things, nem style, was added to pak 02:02:17 I think it's a more interesting design overall 02:02:32 so I'm not sure how you mean upping the gifting formula 02:02:47 MPA make the gifts finite, giving a different type at each level of piety 02:02:55 Yes 02:03:07 so you've not going to get so many things, which is probably very good for avoiding so much inventory clutter 02:03:27 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:33 I'm not sure why breaking evocables to get mana is better than mp on kills 02:03:34 Well, right, but the point is that breaking those things is the *only* way to get mana back, so you don't in practice end up carrying lots around. 02:03:54 for one it's a lot more interface 02:04:38 It was my way of approaching a solution to the MP potion drop Pak did. 02:04:51 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:05:01 Like i said earlier I retained a lot of things that didn't need to be retained really. 02:05:53 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:06:01 Since you're wands are growing more and more useless, and you're getting new ones to replace them, and the only way to get MP back is to break them, they sort of turn into more temporary items. 02:06:14 At least that was the intent. 02:06:16 autobutcher/eat really inflates my turncount 02:06:18 yeah seems kind of like !magic, put complicated 02:06:21 *but 02:06:38 but anyhow, getting mp on kills gives the pak conduct some differentiation from e.g. tog 02:06:40 *trog 02:06:50 making mp even rarer is going to make the conduct more trog-like 02:07:38 I'm not sure if reducing wand charges is going to help the god if we moved to have recharge cost piety and not mp 02:07:40 Sure, that's why I did *something* to replace MP on kills (the reason that the potions came into existance is so you didn't leave easy critters around to go back and farm MP from later) 02:08:15 well the real reason why those pots were gifted was so that players don't have to remember to use recharge based on current mp 02:08:46 Well, it's still optimal to do. 02:09:06 (It's much more efficient to use recharge when you're low on MP) 02:09:15 I didn't like that, personally. 02:09:57 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1494-gdfa627f (34) 02:10:00 But having no potions to overflow your MP on kills into leads you into vampire-level stockpiling so you can go back and refill your mana if you run out. 02:11:26 Regardless, having no MP regen and no reliable way to get more MP doesn't sound very fun regardless of how it's done. 02:12:18 I think I found in my Pak games that the issue was how much you could just spam top tier wands and refill them, so piety costs might take care of that. 02:12:49 I'd need to actually play it out to see if that felt like it was worthwhile for the god slot though. 02:14:55 Evocables being destroyed to get mp leads to a situation where you essentially have a bunch of !magic, but each in a different slot 02:15:28 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:15:45 I mean some of those you can alternate between using and eventually destroying, but you probably want to keep/stash every wand you find 02:16:08 There's also the issue of what the MP conduct means if pak abilities are piety costed but not MP-costed 02:17:00 Yep, I did make the amount of MP that you gained back depend on the total charge in the item, so there's an incentive to use them up before you recharge them too much, and yes, that would be an issue for sure. 02:17:00 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:17:00 I had left them MP-costed obviously, so there was a cyclical kind of pull there. 02:17:30 I probably need to have a quick convo with MarvinPA about his concerns for how the god was too narrow, since that's a kind of orthogonal issue that these sorts of changes aren't really addressing 02:17:33 So if the costs go directly to piety, there'd probably be not a lot of point. 02:17:45 Indeed. 02:18:32 That is a concern of mine too, although it might not be any narrower than Oka 02:18:38 or possibly usk 02:18:49 yeah, Kiku is another example 02:18:57 As is Veh. 02:19:22 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:19:40 If I get the time to try to iron out everyones concerns, I'll probably look again at your patch and talk to you again, though 02:19:45 so thanks for bringing it up 02:20:08 Maybe Pak can reduce the fail rate for evocables that have fail rates, that might broaden him slightly. 02:20:14 And NP 02:20:43 that would be easier if they didn't all have their own special formulas! 02:20:53 spellcasting has a single code path for calculating success 02:21:01 similar problems wrt evocables and their final evocations power 02:21:11 each evocable type is its own special mystery 02:21:13 Heh, well maybe that's a project :) 02:21:53 Unifying the code paths of all the evocable fail rates and power calculations (and extracting the constants out to data) sounds like a noble goal 02:22:55 (Perhaps not a terribly *fun* goal :) 02:23:47 Pakellas says, "The refactoring must go on!" 02:24:13 (I keep thinking "I should write a new web front end, I've done that sort of thing for work and it's not like hard or anything" but then that sounds like work, and I'd rather play :) 02:25:55 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:31:45 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:33:39 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:36:12 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:38:14 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:58 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:50:29 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:50:43 a web frontend for what 02:54:08 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:54:25 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1494-gdfa627f 02:56:12 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:58:16 -!- bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:58:32 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:05:31 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:06:22 for webtiles; it would be hard in the sense that developing it, debugging it, and deploying it would be very non-trivial amount of work 03:07:28 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:08:58 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:09:01 it would be much easier if you didn't have to content with a crawl's own console UI system and abstractions of it simultaneously 03:10:12 but webtiles has to coordinate with console crawl, and your code has to coordinate with webtiles server, and there are all sorts of hiccups you can have rolling it out on servers where thousands of games are played a day and with admins that have varying levels of free time 03:10:58 just to check 03:11:07 does rCorr resist entropy weaver corrosion 03:11:44 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:11:46 yes 03:11:55 ??rcorr 03:11:55 resist corrosion[1/1]: Provides a 50% save against {corrosion} from {acid}, and halves damage (which itself makes the corrosion less likely). Available as a ring (an amulet in 0.17-), on some randarts, or when quaffing potion of resistance. You will still get corroded, but significantly less. 03:12:31 namely that 50% save, I think for each point? 03:12:56 what are the odds of corrosion being inflicted by acid damage normally anyways 03:13:05 ??corrosion 03:13:05 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1494-gdfa627f (34) 03:13:06 acid[1/3]: May cause you to receive a level of the debuff "Corr". When something attempts to corrode you, it has a Corr_level/(Corr_level+9) chance to fail. Each level of Corr reduces your AC by 4 and gives -4 slaying. Goes away after enough time has passed. Corr(-4) means -4 slaying/-4 AC. Monsters get a non-stacking -8 ac, and have a 1/3 chance to be corroded when splashed. 03:13:40 so yeah I guess it just gives you a 50% save on one level 03:13:53 and now entropy weavers just smite-target a single level 03:14:11 for acid, I don't know the flat chance to get corroded 03:14:20 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:14:20 but weavers just apply the corrosion effect, not acid 03:14:37 ??acid[2 03:14:37 acid[2/3]: The damage from "The acid burns!" (for players only) is 4 dice. Previously it was one die for every uncovered non-shield armour slot (50% chance if wearing a cloak), reduced by 20/40/60% for each level of the fur mutation, plus an extra 2 dice (regardless of fur/cloak). Dice are d5 for ranged acid, d3 for melee. Monsters take 2d4 from acidic melee (no extra from ranged). 03:14:38 god I thought it was 66% resist like poison 03:14:55 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:15:39 having rcorr is more substantial when taking acid damage, since then you're lessaning damage 03:15:56 in addition to reducing chance of corrossion 03:15:59 *spelling 03:16:22 yeah 03:16:30 !lg * interval('24h') 03:16:30 Broken query near '' 03:16:49 it seems kind of ridiculous that rcorr would be least effective against the thing most designed to inflict corrosion on the player 03:16:54 !kw day 03:16:55 Keyword: day => end>${now()-interval('1d')} 03:16:57 ah 03:18:06 !lg * day s=src 03:18:06 3796 games for * (day): 932x cao, 878x cwz, 849x cbro, 446x cue, 444x cxc, 109x cpo, 73x cjr, 34x cdo, 31x lld 03:18:26 I guess no server really does thousands of games, but there are thousands per day total 03:18:50 !lg * day s=src x=sum(dur) 03:18:51 3794 games for * (day): 933x cao [18d+5:05:25], 877x cwz [10d+1:30:20], 847x cbro [12d+4:56:14], 445x cue [7d+3:29:03], 445x cxc [9d+6:53:04], 109x cpo [22:58:02], 73x cjr [3d+12:41:05], 34x cdo [14:29:10], 31x lld [19:14:17] 03:18:58 !lg * day s=src x=sum(dur) o=sum(dur) 03:18:58 3794 games for * (day): 933x cao [18d+5:05:25], 847x cbro [12d+4:56:14], 877x cwz [10d+1:30:20], 445x cxc [9d+6:53:04], 445x cue [7d+3:29:03], 73x cjr [3d+12:41:05], 109x cpo [22:58:02], 31x lld [19:14:17], 34x cdo [14:29:10] 03:38:05 chequers: i had that once, too... i think i had to delete all related cookies and then it worked again 03:39:08 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [] 03:52:03 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:52:19 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:53:46 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:53:49 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:51 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:55:16 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 03:55:22 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 03:55:42 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:09 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:56:59 !lg * week x=sum(dur) won s=src fmt:'${.}: $(sprintf "%.2f" $(/ $(pduration $x) $(replace "x " $n_x) 3600.0))' title:"Hours per game" 03:56:59 Hours per game: cao: 10.19, cbro: 6.16, cxc: 8.41, cwz: 6.75, cue: 7.82, cjr: 5.73, cdo: 5.70, cpo: 7.22, lld: 11.41 03:57:16 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 03:57:30 !lg * day x=sum(dur) s=src fmt:'${.}: $(sprintf "%.2f" $(/ $(pduration $x) $(replace "x " $n_x) 3600.0))' title:"Hours per game" 03:57:31 Hours per game: cao: 0.48, cwz: 0.28, cbro: 0.35, cxc: 0.50, cue: 0.38, cpo: 0.22, cjr: 1.16, cdo: 0.41, lld: 0.63 03:58:29 !lg * current trunk x=sum(dur) s=src fmt:'${.}: $(sprintf "%.2f" $(/ $(pduration $x) $(replace "x " $n_x) 3600.0))' title:"Hours per game" 03:58:35 Hours per game: cwz: 0.25, cbro: 0.42, cao: 0.47, cxc: 0.47, cue: 0.42, cpo: 0.48, cjr: 0.37, lld: 0.51, cdo: 0.48 03:58:41 !lg * current trunk won x=sum(dur) s=src fmt:'${.}: $(sprintf "%.2f" $(/ $(pduration $x) $(replace "x " $n_x) 3600.0))' title:"Hours per game" 03:58:46 Hours per game: cbro: 6.39, cao: 7.76, cwz: 7.17, cxc: 7.25, cue: 6.86, cpo: 7.02, cjr: 5.95, cdo: 5.13, lld: 9.20 03:58:53 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:59:15 -!- Laakeri has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:59:28 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:59:47 -!- Grammus has quit [] 04:00:03 !lg * current trunk won x=avg(dur) s=src 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:08 3224 games for * (current trunk won): 939x cbro [6:23:40], 739x cao [7:45:28], 467x cwz [7:09:58], 434x cxc [7:14:52], 184x cue [6:51:29], 171x cpo [7:01:25], 114x cjr [5:57:16], 112x cdo [5:08:00], 64x lld [9:12:07] 04:09:18 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 04:10:07 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:12:17 weird that the average game on the japanese server is so much longer 04:12:24 er, the average win 04:13:39 i assume cdo is lowest due to being console only 04:17:03 yes, but not because of lag or anything 04:17:12 just long-time console players who win quickly 04:17:50 !lg * cjr won s=tiles 04:17:51 190 games for * (cjr won): 166x true, 24x false 04:18:25 !lg * s=src won x=avg(tiles) 04:18:26 Cannot call avg(tiles) (want (Type[ETD;seconds],Type[I])) 04:19:13 !lg * s=src won x=tiles% 04:19:13 Broken query near '%' 04:20:13 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:23:31 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:27:07 Napkin: it happens every few days for me 04:27:46 with a query like !lm * 0.18 br.enter=icecv / lg:place=icecv -- can I turn the icecv into a s= thing? 04:27:51 so I can see the data for every branch 04:27:54 ??lg 04:27:54 listgame[1/5]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md 04:29:00 !lm * 0.18 portal 04:29:04 61142. [2016-09-09 08:08:24] Dickchan the Impaler (L11 MfGl of Dithmenos) entered a Bailey on turn 11919. (D:10) 04:29:14 !lm * 0.18 portal s=br / lg:br=$noun 04:29:31 nice 04:30:20 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:20 going to take credit for your work on the tavern 04:30:20 my work? 04:30:20 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:30:22 this is a really common query that you've looked at a bunch 04:30:36 it's just the branch kill ratio you want, right? 04:30:39 maybe I'm misunderstanding 04:30:42 ya 04:30:45 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm * 0.18 portal s=br / lg:br=$noun 04:30:54 yeah we've done this query like dozens of times by now 04:31:06 no helping sequell actually execute it 04:31:45 !lg * cjr won s=name fmt:'${.}: $(!lg ${.} won x=cdist(gid) fmt:"$x" title:"")' 04:32:05 190 games for * (cjr won): ksagri:, manman:, doctordoom:, mahalanobis:, gammafunk:, wahaha:, jabutu:, khrogbot:, koboldina:, csunoser:, glaas:, n1000:, randomstreak:, tabstorm:, glosham:, brannock:, Gramm:, someoneawful:, rlgrobin:, EriktheRed:, araganzar:, rainwizard:, melon:, acoo:, resistentialism:, spaige:, drakale:, pestonoire:, crawlinginmyskin:, pleasingfungus:, alphaab:, babuloseo:, gremli... 04:32:11 weird how that doesn't work 04:32:57 !lg * cjr won s=name fmt:"${.}: $(!lg ${.} won x=cdist(gid) fmt:"$x" title:"")" 04:32:57 Subcommand $(!lg ${.} won x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${x}" title:"") failed: Broken query near '} won x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${x}" title:""' 04:33:27 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:33:50 what is it trying to do? get the gids of the most recent win for each player, sorted by number of wins? 04:34:20 no, it's cdist (count) on the gid 04:34:29 for some reason it's not returning anything 04:34:34 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 04:34:37 !lg / won x=cdist(gid) fmt:"$x" title:"" 04:34:38 65/3886 (1.67%) 04:34:43 !lg won x=cdist(gid) fmt:"$x" title:"" 04:34:44 1236 04:34:58 !lg . won x=cdist(gid) fmt:"$x" title:"" 04:34:58 65 04:36:04 !lg * cjr won s=name fmt:"${.}: $(!lg $. won x=cdist(gid) fmt:"$x" title:"")" 04:36:05 Subcommand $(!lg $. won x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${x}" title:"") failed: No keyword '$.' 04:36:29 chequers, do you have changing external ip addresses? keep an eye on that 04:37:30 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:41:48 could be related 04:41:59 and i could probably turn that off 04:42:25 Napkin: don't know if you care about this, but someone mentioned that tavern has a link to ptf.com at the bottom of the page, which is now an expired domain 04:42:38 "Designed by ST Software for PTF." 04:43:36 it's dead, jim 04:44:49 chequers: your posted query has "branch" instead of "br" 04:44:51 !lm * 0.18 portal s=br / lg:br=$noun 04:45:07 6270/61145 milestones for * (0.18 portal): 1700/16692x Sewer [10.18%], 1471/12146x Ossuary [12.11%], 1136/9184x IceCv [12.37%], 1065/5827x Bailey [18.28%], 501/7020x Lab [7.14%], 277/4805x Volcano [5.76%], 59/1570x WizLab [3.76%], 38/2711x Bazaar [1.40%], 23/1190x Trove [1.93%] 04:45:11 and it's not too complex to run, just sequell can take a while sometimes, depending on how it's doing 04:50:45 !lm * 0.18 portal s=br o=% / lg:br=$noun 04:51:00 6270/61146 milestones for * (0.18 portal): 1065/5827x Bailey [18.28%], 1136/9184x IceCv [12.37%], 1471/12146x Ossuary [12.11%], 1700/16692x Sewer [10.18%], 501/7021x Lab [7.14%], 277/4805x Volcano [5.76%], 59/1570x WizLab [3.76%], 23/1190x Trove [1.93%], 38/2711x Bazaar [1.40%] 04:51:08 probaby best to sort it, as well 04:52:32 gammafunk: ty 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:15 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 05:03:40 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:04:45 !lm * 0.18 portal s=branch o=% / lg:branch=$noun 05:04:46 Unknown field: branch 05:04:57 !lm * 0.18 portal s=br o=% / lg:branch=$noun 05:04:57 Unknown field: branch 05:09:15 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:11:44 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:16:05 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:33:42 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 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Lavandula, XL27 CeSk, T:92291 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Lavandula/crash-Lavandula-20160909-122640.txt 11:19:57 !source mons_is_fiery 11:19:58 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc#L823 11:20:40 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 11:23:54 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:25:42 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1495-g0142e3f: Fix a Dith/Shadow Creatures crash (10666) 10(72 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0142e3fd4e6c 11:30:05 oh good, that shadow creatures bug wasn't mine 11:30:25 heh 11:30:48 probably that's the wrong fix, actually 11:30:58 and the monster's weapon should be populated before we check that 11:31:39 i'm not sure what happens right now if we roll a shadow creatures dancing weapon with a flaming brand under dith? 11:34:14 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:37:51 -!- Bammboo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:38:15 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:26 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38:47 -!- Svalin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:42:45 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:44:01 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:38 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:48:22 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:50:13 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:51:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:27 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:03:22 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:47 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:08:15 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:09:21 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1495-g0142e3f (34) 12:14:14 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:16:43 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:57 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1496-gfc80c20: Tweak Strip Resistance casting logic 10(23 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fc80c20508cc 12:21:20 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:57 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:10 Hi there, I want to add 2 scrolls into my version of the game. First one would add random properties to pre-existing artefacts you have found to add some end-game flavor. Would be weighted 60% towards positive traits and 40% towards negative. Second scroll I had in mind would invert all properties on a given artefact. So if you found an artefact ring with rElec, rC++, -3 Str, +4 Int, it would end up rC+, +3 Str, -4 Int. Can s 12:25:59 I'm looking through the git repo under source-ref right now. Which files and functions should I look out for? I'm not seeing documentation on what each of the .cc and .h files do so I'm going through each one of them right now. 12:26:53 looks like your first message got cut off? 12:26:53 yea i had to break it up into 2 12:26:53 you ended with "can so", not sure if there was something else you wanted to say there 12:27:01 anyway 12:27:27 really? it looks fine on my end 12:27:37 itemprop-enum.h has a list of scroll types, ending with NUM_SCROLLS; you'll want to add enums for your new types just before NUM_SCROLLS 12:27:57 protopulse: yeah 12:28:09 you can check the logs if you want ( http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/# ) 12:28:15 those actually cut it off one character earlier... 12:28:50 oops...you're right 12:29:00 odd that it looks fine on here 12:29:09 sounds like your client is bad! :P 12:29:11 your client doesn't know what the irc max message size is 12:29:16 yikes 12:29:16 mine is bad too 12:29:27 any fix for that? 12:29:37 eschew verbosity 12:29:41 . 12:29:46 fair enough 12:30:10 But yea, the cut off part didn't really matter 12:30:13 think i got the point across 12:30:21 item_use.cc is the other one you'll want to tweak, specifically, ah... 12:30:35 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm... I'm not sure if using the 1/3 there makes sense 12:30:36 !source read_scroll 12:30:36 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc#L2671 12:30:45 |amethyst: i don't like that function at all 12:30:57 or strip resistance 12:31:03 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: if, as a player, you have a spell with a 1/3 chance or working, that probably doesn't mean you'd cast it 1/3 as often 12:31:08 ? 12:31:12 that's not what i did... 12:31:12 -!- Kranix has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:31:31 protopulse: also, search for like, SCR_BRAND_WEAPON, and you will probably need to add your new scroll in many of the places where it is used 12:31:31 are you confusing worthwhile() and waste_of_time() 12:31:36 <|amethyst> oh 12:31:43 <|amethyst> yes 12:32:25 i inverted it with the goal of someday eliminating waste_of_time altogether 12:32:25 basically use it as a template? 12:32:25 since i think it's a bad idea to have 'negative' function names 12:32:45 protopulse: artefact.cc is the other file you probably want to look through to figure out how to tweak artefact properties 12:33:23 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah, I think my objection is to the logic of that function in general 12:33:42 i don't like it at all, i'm just worried about somehow breaking crawl's delicate game balance by removing it 12:33:59 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I imagine it was you who added that XXX? :) 12:34:14 no comment 12:34:19 :p 12:34:21 protopulse: that's where i'd start, yes 12:34:34 i did something similar a month or so ago with a new potion that ended up not actually getting added 12:34:41 oh, i forgot about that 12:34:46 <|amethyst> protopulse: yeah, that's the same thing I would do 12:35:07 Okay, I'll start going through those 12:35:19 protopulse: you can look at https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9c3d78425ac5ee07c3641d1d4906aa1ea7076808 if you want to see how it works for potions 12:36:22 that link should help a lot ty :) 12:36:35 scrolls and potions work sort of differently, but it could be worth looking at anyway 12:36:51 |amethyst: one thing i was thinking about is removing the power cap from monster hexes 12:37:20 so that we can have hexes that affect players with mr++++ or mr+++++ without needing to do weird hacks like the strip resistance thing 12:38:13 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, that or change the formulas 12:38:25 the resist formula? 12:38:52 <|amethyst> yeah, but I think you're right, and uncapping things is probably better 12:39:43 <|amethyst> BTW 12:39:46 <|amethyst> const int est_magic_resist = foe->res_magic() + random2(60) - 30; // +-30 12:39:49 i guess the question is, do we want mr++++ and mr+++++ to be useful? 12:39:59 <|amethyst> shouldn't that be random2(61) ? 12:40:05 yep 12:40:45 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think they should be useful against all but the highest-level casters 12:40:48 <|amethyst> s/level/HD? 12:40:56 <|amethyst> s/?/\// 12:41:04 i think you misunderstood 12:41:09 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: not sure how frequently things bump into the cap currently 12:41:12 right now, mr++++ does almost nothing that mr+++ doesn't do 12:41:22 it drops the highest-power monster hexes from 1-2% to 0% 12:41:32 mr+5 does absolutely nothing that mr+4 doesn't do 12:41:39 <|amethyst> so it sounds like mr+++ is too strong? 12:41:59 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:42:03 maybe? 12:42:25 it's one of those things that people didn't realize until we added hex percent chances, i think 12:42:32 well, probably minmay knew 12:42:41 but most people didn't realize 12:42:48 -!- protopulse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:44:53 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:00 btw, that "+-30" comment is my fault, but the logic has been skewed downward since initial revision 12:46:25 used to be random2(80) - 40 for I_NORMAL monsters and random2(30) - 15 for I_HIGH monsters 12:50:41 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 12:56:22 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:56:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 12:58:47 -!- protopulse has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:09 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:09 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:57 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1496-gfc80c20 (34) 13:08:50 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:08:52 trying to follow directions on install.txt and installing msys2 and came upon this error. anyone know issue here? https://gyazo.com/b01973b0299d1e3c1a4abc94ee5fe914 13:09:11