00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:12 "asyllabic nucleus" is very close to being a good clan name 00:00:46 <|amethyst> I should teach a bioinformatics course 00:00:52 <|amethyst> or molecular biology 00:00:59 <|amethyst> then I could have a nucleic syllabus 00:01:44 lol 00:02:01 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:03:16 anyway, i'm very shocked that the answer to my question about english grammar turns out to be "it's a mess and no one really knows exactly what's going" 00:05:27 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:28 The build is still failing. (option_select - 458ec7f #6599 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/158065722 00:05:28 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:05:52 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:05:55 lol 00:07:33 |amethyst: did you read to the end? the last page (22 in the pdf, 103 in the text) is something else 00:07:48 particularly the last two paragraphs 00:10:33 are there any uniques that spawn in the abyss beyond when AKs banish them? 00:11:05 nop 00:11:11 <|amethyst> heh 00:11:26 <|amethyst> they could be banished in other ways 00:11:30 i was thinking it.. 00:11:37 <|amethyst> :) 00:11:42 |amethyst: page 105 also has the important note, "we believe mothers are special." 00:11:44 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:27 page 106 covers the bagels and lox/lox and bagels controversy 00:12:31 this is a tour de force 00:13:11 <|amethyst> "Scoth and soda" sounds like a strange drink 00:13:17 is this how you're going to fill your roguelike talk 00:13:25 absolutely 00:13:38 03PleasingFungus02 07[option_select] * 0.19-a0-1482-g0d1a95c: Maybe actually fix the build 10(26 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0d1a95c94f47 00:13:59 -!- olscumpy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:14:18 <|amethyst> "I was going to talk about Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup, but Mark Liberman answered my email publicly, and he's way cooler than all those losers on the dev team, so I'm going to talk about that 00:14:22 <|amethyst> " 00:16:37 the coolest man possible... a linguistics professor... 00:17:05 <|amethyst> the bagels and lox thing reminds me of 00:17:07 <|amethyst> https://www.cs.uky.edu/~raphael/yiddish/homent.html 00:18:09 this feels very familiar 00:18:11 a classic 00:20:10 i vaguely recall there being a follow-up on the subject of hamentashen 00:20:25 just mad that the conference won't be live-cast on twitch 00:20:39 I'd be a great stream troll 00:21:23 SHADOW TRAPS Kappa 00:21:38 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: this is also the coinventor of the quad tree, and the original author of the Jargon File 00:21:52 ! 00:21:57 a great man... 00:21:58 <|amethyst> (and was on my committee) 00:24:06 I guess for CS they don't have you answer math problems at your defense? 00:24:18 er, CS problems rather 00:25:09 (compared to what I've heard about math PhDs, although maybe that's not the defense part, but one of the other parts) 00:26:16 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:27:43 <|amethyst> it depends on the committee 00:27:52 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:10 <|amethyst> I was not asked random problems 00:28:23 <|amethyst> but I was at my qualifying exam 00:28:36 <|amethyst> even then, not exactly random 00:28:57 <|amethyst> I was asked to quote from "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" 00:29:31 <|amethyst> in jest 00:29:58 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1468-ge013c26 (34) 00:30:45 tfw your committee makes a joke and you can't tell if it's a joke *sweat beads* 00:31:06 <|amethyst> I like Asimov's defense story 00:32:01 <|amethyst> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiotimoline#Background 00:32:45 heh 00:33:01 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:02 The build is still failing. (option_select - 0d1a95c #6600 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/158068929 00:33:02 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:33:32 why me 00:33:33 that's great 00:33:43 re: Asimov's fake paper 00:34:06 travis is persecuting me... 00:34:26 illiteracy is also persecuting me 00:36:40 <|amethyst> somehow I think making _resolve_dir take std::string instead of const char * will not be a huge performance hit 00:37:07 especially given it casts to string half the time anyway 00:37:25 <|amethyst> oh, hey 00:37:47 <|amethyst> and even when it doesn't cast 00:38:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:02 <|amethyst> catpath takes const string & 00:38:14 <|amethyst> so it's converted implicitly anyway 00:38:19 lol 00:38:52 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:39:29 path + 1... 00:40:38 that is some old-school sch**ße, if you'll pardon my French. 00:42:42 guys 00:42:45 I have terrible news 00:43:06 !lm * dgjr alive s=src 00:43:07 2 milestones for * (dgjr alive): 2x cszo 00:43:09 it's extinct now 00:43:31 hrm 00:43:37 !lg * dgjr 00:43:41 108. buttmutaskillrobin the Fortune-Teller (L5 DgJr of Nemelex Xobeh), hit from afar by Uhonalaq the merfolk (tomahawk) (created by the player character) on D:2 on 2015-03-26 23:13:50, with 202 points after 2373 turns and 0:08:39. 00:43:50 wait 00:43:53 there was another 00:43:58 !lm * dgjr alive s=gid 00:43:59 2 milestones for * (dgjr alive): 2x buttrobin:cszo:20130301001548S 00:43:59 yeh, we checked that and several others last night 00:44:04 yeah we saw that last night 00:44:10 !lg * dgjr won 00:44:13 3. skillrobin the Talismancer (L27 DgJr of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-06-06 02:02:53, with 1504854 points after 118039 turns and 6:25:33. 00:44:17 my only stylish crawl win 00:44:25 and it was on a robin 00:44:38 my GrDK can't really compete with the likes of that 00:44:44 !lg * dg won s=god 00:44:46 1000 games for * (dg won): 997x, 3x Nemelex Xobeh 00:45:13 only 1k dg wins, seems low to me 00:45:22 !lg * won s=crace o=-N 00:45:23 46677 games for * (won): Plutonian, 2x Bearkin, 2x Cherufe, 4x Salamander, 5x Elf, 6x Imp, 7x Lacertilian, 14x Ogre-Mage, 18x Hill Dwarf, 21x Grey Elf, 22x Gnome, 114x Djinni, 223x Lava Orc, 379x Sludge Elf, 542x Mountain Dwarf, 932x Felid, 977x Ghoul, 987x Vampire, 1000x Demigod, 1060x Tengu, 1101x Halfling, 1183x Formicid, 1203x Human, 1205x Octopode, 1212x Kobold, 1256x Centaur, 1261x Mummy, 14... 00:45:39 welp 00:45:44 can't believe |amethyst would let the last dgjr go extinct. selfish..... 00:45:48 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:46:06 hey, it makes neil happier to not do admin, and you don't want to make neil angry... 00:46:26 03PleasingFungus02 07[option_select] * 0.19-a0-1483-g07273b5: Move minimap colour options into data 10(8 minutes ago, 3 files, 46+ 71-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/07273b56eeb6 00:46:26 03PleasingFungus02 07[option_select] * 0.19-a0-1484-g8d0300c: Maybe actually actually fix compilation 10(23 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8d0300c43e7e 00:46:57 also, auto_butcher is a terrible speedrun option 00:47:03 lol 00:47:06 i'm shocked 00:47:10 I should have considered that 00:47:18 thankfully I have clua console bound to a key 00:47:31 1000 demigods won, time to remove dg 00:48:42 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:50:23 ProzacElf: congratulations, you are one of only three players to have killed another player by draining all their life 00:50:39 !lg * tmsg~~drained.*prozacelf 00:50:56 1. mattrigal the Shooter (L2 HEAM), drained of all life by ProzacElf's ghost on D:3 on 2013-06-19 05:37:20, with 157 points after 2189 turns and 0:49:20. 00:51:12 good, killed an AM 00:52:40 -!- royiv has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:52:53 not gonna beat that accomplishment any time soon 00:55:14 hahahaha 00:55:19 hm, looks like we have special support for setting "default_manual_training" without an actual value 00:55:22 omg 00:55:32 e.g. "default_manual_training = gammafunk_stinks" is treated as 'true' 00:55:34 no, i can never do anything better than that 00:55:39 which is reasonable 00:55:45 at least not in crawl terms 00:57:19 -!- Bammboo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:58:26 huh, visual_monster_hp exists but was never used... 00:58:28 sad! 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:04 huh, sound_mappings is undocumented 01:00:15 also, it doesn't seem to be commented out for dgl... 01:00:28 Is option_select about option code refactoring primarily? 01:00:34 wasn't sure, given the name 01:01:01 the name is a reference to fighting game jargon 01:01:06 it doesn't really mean anything 01:01:28 ok, so crawl getting reworked as a fighting game, got it 01:01:34 time to take that news to the internet.... 01:01:34 shit! 01:03:29 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:03:54 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06:52 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:08:10 drained of all life. that's a bit dramatic 01:09:03 how would YOU feel if you were reduced to level 0, huh? 01:09:12 er... though i suppose they were still level 2... 01:10:42 03PleasingFungus02 07[option_select] * 0.19-a0-1485-gb8ed1ef: More initfile.cc cleanup 10(29 seconds ago, 3 files, 25+ 131-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b8ed1ef4e03f 01:11:03 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:11:26 i think that's all the easy stuff 01:11:34 only one other thing looks relatively straightforward 01:11:40 and that function is still, still, a thousand lines long... 01:12:22 (it's ~1500 lines in trunk.) 01:19:00 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:19:01 The build is still failing. (option_select - 8d0300c #6601 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/158072758 01:19:01 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:20:05 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1468-ge013c26 (34) 01:20:39 -!- titanjones has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:21:16 travis, stop judging... 01:25:42 03PleasingFungus02 07[option_select] * 0.19-a0-1486-gdc1478f: For real, fix the build 10(26 seconds ago, 2 files, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dc1478f1d3d8 01:26:03 merging this once it compiles 01:26:03 when and if 01:28:52 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:52 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:28:53 The build was canceled. (option_select - b8ed1ef #6602 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/158075513 01:28:53 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:31:38 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:32:49 it's gonna work!!! 01:33:22 ganbatte, pleasingfungus 01:35:07 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:36:19 -!- Grammus has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:39:04 i broke the fucking saves directory 01:39:06 fml 01:42:04 lol 01:42:46 what was your original motivation anyway 01:42:46 does it even matter anymore 01:42:46 life is pain 01:43:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:43:48 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:45:37 !lg * won god=lugonu race=DD 01:45:38 15. stickyfingers the Corrupter of Planes (L27 DDAK of Lugonu), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2016-07-13 12:59:01, with 2685347 points after 89223 turns and 11:29:15. 01:45:46 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 01:46:17 er, nevermind 01:47:55 03PleasingFungus02 07[option_select] * 0.19-a0-1487-g91877b7: чинить программа 10(23 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/91877b7999be 01:48:16 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:48:31 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1469-gc8e5b16: Fix a warning (AF_MIASMATA, monster) 10(41 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c8e5b16a2811 01:48:55 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Client Quit] 01:49:03 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:53:08 "chinit programma"? 01:53:24 ya 01:53:48 the second word is easier to guess the translation of than the first :p 01:53:52 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:54:30 also i probably fucked up the grammar somehow 01:54:30 yeh :) 01:54:30 * geekosaur can transliterate, not so much translate 01:55:25 i like words that are easy to translate. like "stool", which means "chair", not to be confused with "stol", which means "table" 01:55:30 obviously 01:56:09 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1468-ge013c26 01:59:13 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:03 -!- packet_loss has quit [Read error: No route to host] 02:01:06 -!- packet_l_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:01:11 that makes sense. a table is a big chair 02:01:32 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:02:46 !lg * kmap~~unrand -tv 02:02:47 153. Amnesiac, XL11 FeEn, T:17948 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 02:04:48 ? 02:05:40 nothing, meant to be in pm 02:05:40 ah, ok 02:05:40 -!- packet_l_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:08:07 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:49 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1469-gc8e5b16 (34) 02:17:29 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:23:48 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:07 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:32:50 chequers: but a table is kind of like a chair 02:33:42 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:43 The build passed. 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:19:32 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:20:26 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:21:06 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:21:38 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:25:31 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:26:25 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1482-ga9fd55e (34) 03:28:10 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:35:45 -!- ScarCow has quit [Client Quit] 03:38:17 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:41:08 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:52:25 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:26 The build passed. (master - a9fd55e #6606 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/158088172 03:52:26 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 03:53:29 !tell PleasingFungus looks to me like remove_matching duplicates erase_val in libutil.h 03:53:29 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 03:58:04 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:11 -!- ScarCow has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:03:25 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:05:58 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:15:21 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:16:40 -!- bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:17:30 -!- bairyn has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:20:08 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 04:24:09 -!- bairyn has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:03 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 04:32:25 -!- Klaymen has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:32:38 -!- Klaymen_ is now known as Klaymen 04:33:22 -!- SevenDeadlySins has joined ##crawl-dev 04:35:13 yall appear to have broke it :< 04:37:19 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:16 -!- CHase is now known as Guest89784 05:01:23 -!- ChaseSP has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:08:03 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:09:11 -!- SevenDeadlySins has quit [Quit: Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm] 05:12:07 -!- AltReality has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:21:52 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:22:04 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:28:47 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:29:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:29:51 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:34:24 -!- Telnaior has quit [Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit:] 05:34:25 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:36:44 -!- Jafet has quit [Quit: Jafet] 05:37:28 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:24 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:44:43 -!- olscumpy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 05:47:48 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:58:31 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:00:27 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10:11 -!- CyberM has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:11:37 online game does not load 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10662 by mibe420 06:12:54 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:13:03 <|amethyst> I can confirm 06:13:09 <|amethyst> same error in console 06:17:15 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:17:44 -!- CyberM has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:34:37 -!- thomus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:43:51 -!- purplered has joined ##crawl-dev 06:45:32 -!- cojito has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:46:23 anyway to check your recent/current game history on CPO? 06:51:30 purplered: how do you mean check your history? 06:51:37 you can query games with sequell 06:51:46 !lg purplered cpo 06:51:47 338. PurpleRed the Conjurer (L3 DECj), slain by an orc (a +0 falchion) on D:3 on 2016-09-06 11:37:19, with 58 points after 343 turns and 0:04:08. 06:51:50 i lost a game on cpo 06:52:01 lost? 06:52:03 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:52:03 !lm purplered cpo alive 06:52:04 8. [2016-09-07 04:46:16] PurpleRed the Devastator (L12 DECj of Vehumet) reached level 6 of the Lair of Beasts on turn 4753. (Lair:6) 06:52:08 this one? 06:52:08 yes saved 06:52:16 yes 06:52:30 can't access it, get character creation screen 06:52:30 I think it may be due to an error in the trunk build 06:52:42 ah yes, sounds like it's the problem with trunk 06:52:48 hopefully we'll fix that soon 06:52:50 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:52:58 :) 06:53:16 !lg purplered cpo 06:53:17 338. PurpleRed the Conjurer (L3 DECj), slain by an orc (a +0 falchion) on D:3 on 2016-09-06 11:37:19, with 58 points after 343 turns and 0:04:08. 06:53:47 what is this sequell you speak of? 06:54:39 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:54:49 ok, thanks for looking at it 06:56:42 ??sequell 06:56:42 sequell[1/4]: The ##crawl bot, handling game statistics, the {learndb}, and more. Operated by greensnark. See http://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md If you want the source, go here: http://github.com/crawl/sequell 06:56:55 !gamesby purplered 06:56:56 purplered has played 1913 games, between 2013-11-08 08:31:33 and 2016-09-06 11:37:19, won 26 (1.4%), high score 65223715, total score 873572884, total turns 5708938, play-time/day 1:32:50, total time 66d+15:50:57. 06:57:02 for looking up data about your past games 06:57:29 oh ic 06:57:47 !lg purplered 06:57:47 1913. PurpleRed the Conjurer (L3 DECj), slain by an orc (a +0 falchion) on D:3 on 2016-09-06 11:37:19, with 58 points after 343 turns and 0:04:08. 06:59:02 ??beem 06:59:02 beem[1/5]: beem is a WebTiles chat bot that sends commands to the DCSS IRC knowledge bots. For details, see https://github.com/gammafunk/beem/blob/master/docs/commands.md ; if you see beem in chat, type the following to have it watch your games on that server: !beem subscribe 06:59:11 that has a quick guide to bot commands 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:50 kk, that is better, too many words in the docs 07:02:07 !lm 07:02:08 11966. [2016-09-07 08:42:21] PurpleRed the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 07:03:14 &dump .cpo trunk 07:03:14 No keyword '.cpo' 07:03:33 &dump . cpo trunk 07:03:35 https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/PurpleRed/PurpleRed.txt 07:04:34 !lm purplered cpo alive 07:04:35 8. [2016-09-07 04:46:16] PurpleRed the Devastator (L12 DECj of Vehumet) reached level 6 of the Lair of Beasts on turn 4753. (Lair:6) 07:10:01 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:10:16 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:11 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:32:51 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:46:48 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:47:21 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 07:51:51 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:51:52 -!- purplered has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:53:31 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:26 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:54:55 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:56:47 chequers: see above, purplered unable to access game in progress 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:59 -!- Bammboo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:08:54 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:11:00 -!- demok_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:12:14 -!- demok has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:04 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:15 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:28:11 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:56 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:41:07 -!- kramin has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 08:41:07 -!- amalloy_ has quit [Quit: Quit] 08:52:33 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:52:33 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:01:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 09:06:47 -!- wheals__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:52 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 09:09:52 did something change about save loading code? 09:10:19 pleasingfungus... 09:10:39 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:10:41 users on CPO are reporting when they start playing trunk they can't load their game 09:13:48 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:15:59 -!- Guest_94848 has quit [Client Quit] 09:17:36 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:17:57 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:39 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:13 can't start a new game on cszo 09:31:28 yeah 09:32:11 trunk games on CPO are not using the normal save path 09:32:11 they appear to be using CWD/.name.cs instead of the path I specify with -dir to crawl 09:32:25 where CWD is the CWD of the webtiles server 09:34:06 er, cbro 09:34:23 so basically trunk is broke 09:35:21 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:35:30 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:37:46 yep 09:37:46 I'm going to sleep 09:38:32 !tell pleasingfungus save file location is broken on CPO -- it's using `cwd` rather than the path specified with `-dir` command line option 09:38:32 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 09:43:52 !tell pleasingfungus also, the save file name is prepended with a '.' (I think this is part of the fallback logic) 09:43:52 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 09:52:25 yeh, that's fallback 09:52:33 !blame3 pleasingfungus 09:52:33 pleeeeeaaaaasiiiiingfuuuuunguuuuus 09:58:39 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:08 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:05 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:30 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:15:31 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18:41 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:20:24 -!- tigertrap has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:20:34 -!- Cryp71c has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:34 -!- Alter-Ego has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:34 -!- knu has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:35 -!- Smashy has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:35 -!- zxc has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:35 -!- eb has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:36 -!- Twinge has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:36 -!- NotKintak has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:36 -!- TZer0 has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:36 -!- Chousuke has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:36 -!- joy1999 has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:37 -!- broquaint has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:37 -!- rax has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:37 -!- |amethyst has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:37 -!- Pinkbeast has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:37 -!- Sequell has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:38 -!- inire has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:38 -!- Gretell has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:56 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:29:30 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:31:03 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:34:04 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:35:06 -!- ScarCow has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:35:09 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:35:21 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:25 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Changing host] 10:39:07 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:22 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:11 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:11 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:11 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:11 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:11 -!- broquaint has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:11 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:11 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:11 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:11 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:42 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:53 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:53 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 10:45:58 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 10:58:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:58:22 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:30 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:09 -!- packet_loss has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:13 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:13 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:11:34 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:15:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 11:21:51 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:23:44 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:54 -!- ig0rb1t has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:31:39 -!- rossi_ has quit [Quit: /quit] 11:31:41 -!- cait_m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:41 -!- amalloy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:58 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:34:07 -!- AndChat|179025 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47:42 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:52 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:37 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1483-g48cd44e: Simplify OS X save dir logic 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/48cd44eb86ca 11:51:37 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1484-gc3d4063: Hopefully fix save loading 10(41 seconds ago, 2 files, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c3d40638d6d4 11:53:51 -!- hpm___ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:56:38 -!- voker57_ is now known as Voker57 11:56:46 -!- Voker57 has quit [Changing host] 12:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:42 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:30 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:09:13 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1484-gc3d4063 (34) 12:10:10 hm 12:10:10 PleasingFungus: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:11:08 well, i'm out of ideas 12:11:24 -!- hpm_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:15:09 oh 12:15:10 hrm 12:15:54 -!- hpm___ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:18:08 it would be cool if i had some way to test this other than on live servers 12:25:39 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:26:50 -!- Grammus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:17 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:31:30 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:34:53 -!- ximxim has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:34:55 -!- ximxim_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:35:59 good luck, fungus! 12:37:42 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:37:46 I'm at the stage where i no longer understand how anything ever worked. 12:37:49 you know. fun times 12:42:20 FR: make powered by death useful 12:42:42 i thought that was the OP one 12:43:23 it's current trunk version disappears after one turn of inactivity 12:43:27 be it miss or anything 12:43:34 known 12:43:58 it's more useless than britney spears' mock marriage 12:47:55 -!- qguv_ is now known as qguv 12:50:21 <|amethyst> hm, for me it takes 2-5 turns for each level of PBD regen to decay 12:50:40 oh, i misunderstood you 12:50:42 not known 12:52:22 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:41 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1485-ga29127b: More dgamelaunch fix attempts 10(50 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a29127b4fe09 12:57:31 #if !defined(foo) is the same as #ifndef foo, right? 12:57:48 yes 13:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:16 good 13:00:44 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:01:48 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:47 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:14 -!- packet_loss has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:09:07 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1485-ga29127b (34) 13:09:34 nailed it! 13:09:39 ez gg 13:11:41 i just got very confused by stoneskin being an available spell for my mummy to memorise, undead aren't meant to be able to cast that! 13:12:01 uh 13:12:06 did you accidentally load 0.15? 13:12:07 who is supposed to be allowed to cast that 13:12:18 yes, then i remembered that nobody can cast it :P 13:13:05 it managed to stick around in an old save by being in some randbooks 13:13:48 nice 13:13:56 could do some save compat to handle that on load, but then i imagine there'd be the risk of creating empty books 13:13:56 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:14 seems like there'd be poor returns 13:14:18 <|amethyst> replace it with ozo's 13:14:37 <|amethyst> then you might get a book with two copies of the same spell, so 13:14:47 <|amethyst> replace it with ozo's if it's the only spell in the book 13:14:53 well, i meant in the general case of "any spell that's no longer in any fixed books" 13:15:16 <|amethyst> replace it with butterflies in all cases 13:15:20 heh 13:15:21 <|amethyst> until butterflies is removed :) 13:15:32 why remove butterflies 13:16:02 was also sad to find myself wearing a +0 amulet of reflection on loading it up, rip clarity etc 13:16:16 i assume reflection was the clarity replacement at least 13:16:31 probably 13:17:07 <|amethyst> clarity -> harm, stasis -> reflection 13:17:12 and an inventory full of decks with identified but now-useless alchemist cards, i keep ruining all my own in-progress characters! 13:17:16 <|amethyst> at least when they were replaced 13:17:16 aha 13:17:25 <|amethyst> I didn't actually look at the enums 13:18:09 -!- wheals__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:18:16 <|amethyst> yeah, right after faith, so stasis -> reflection 13:20:59 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:35 * geekosaur ^qd a few old chars that had become useless (and games --- one game I loaded up had only ghosts in it >.> ) 13:27:52 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1485-ga29127b (34) 13:29:21 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1485-ga29127b (34) 13:29:49 -!- eb is now known as eb_mobile 13:29:52 -!- eb_ is now known as eb 13:30:29 -!- Kranix has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:34:16 -!- OrphineM_ is now known as OrphineM_work 13:40:24 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:42:50 ghostcrawl sounds like it'd be fun 13:43:31 didn't someone ask for ghostcrawl on tavern a few weeks ago? 13:43:40 -!- OrphineM_work has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:51:38 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:55:45 they were like, in my fork every monster will be a player ghost 13:56:18 -!- ximxim has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:56:52 -!- ximxim has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:20 Item disappeared from inventory 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10663 by Cheibrodos 13:59:53 someone reported similar behaviour on reddit the other day, or maybe it was tavern 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:08 their kiku-given necronomicon vanished when they found a necronomicon in a shop 14:00:12 something about a disappeared necronomicon? 14:00:12 yeah 14:00:15 that was tavern 14:00:22 similarly unhelpful with no save or anything unfortunately 14:01:34 -!- cait_m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:42 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:06:12 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:06:24 -!- cait_m has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:07:30 -!- Alter-Ego has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 14:15:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:38 -!- smee has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:25:03 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:26:54 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:10 -!- Smashy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:32:03 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:33:02 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:33:44 I mean "ghost" the no-damage placeholder for removed monsters. apparently its monster list for the branch I was in wasn't compatible or something --- monsters were not spawning, and all the already spawned monsters had been removed 14:34:02 so I got no new monsters, and ghosts for the formerly spawned ones 14:34:59 -!- jeefus is now known as jefus 14:36:04 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:38:10 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:54 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:48:28 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:52:13 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:56:14 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:14 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:02:31 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:10:46 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:24 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:11:39 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:38 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:16:20 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:18:13 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:26 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:19:59 03Implojin02 {MarvinPA} 07* 0.19-a0-1486-gdd0a865: Show spell noise descriptors on the I/Z window toggle. 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 24+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dd0a8653c21a 15:21:09 oh, ty 15:21:15 i was gonna review that at some point 15:21:29 probably 15:22:12 heh 15:22:58 pleasantly surprised that it all just about fits without being too cramped 15:23:08 hrm, another disappeared item? 15:23:21 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:36 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:51 that doesn't bode well; guess we'll just have to watch out for it happening again 15:24:30 i wonder if it's book id code 15:24:35 somehow 15:24:40 that's the only relevant recent change i can think of 15:24:46 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:24:47 could that affect chei's ring as well somehow? 15:25:01 oh 15:25:02 his was a ring of fire that poofed away 15:25:03 probably not 15:25:57 it was after identification, so perhaps related to identification in general 15:25:57 the tavern person said it was after they bought the book, iirc 15:25:57 which is also when it'd be IDed 15:25:57 but yeah maybe we just need to see another report 15:27:03 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 15:27:37 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:16 -!- eb has quit [] 15:34:03 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:48 gammafunk: I hear you've become so old that you're just outright losing rings of fire | gammafunk: is it time to put you in a mummy home? | Cheibrodos: i really could have used that ring man | Cheibrodos: look how flammable my dry dead body is 15:36:20 hrm, chei is also saying that rest isn't instant any more; I wonder if that could just be a cbro throttling issue or something 15:36:29 I forget which rc option affects the rest update 15:37:04 prediction: initfile fuckup 15:37:04 i noticed it too 15:37:04 when i was playing just now 15:37:04 you mean due to the refactorings? 15:37:09 ya 15:37:17 hrm, what's the option that affects this 15:37:39 rest_delay, which i apparently just forgot about somehow 15:37:44 it seems to have gotten lost 15:37:53 rest_delay...ah yeah 15:38:02 mine is set to -1 15:38:07 %git 9595cbcac2b7c0c7794332b6597d56cf45fa8e5d 15:38:07 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1478-g9595cbc: Move more int options into data 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 66-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9595cbcac2b7 15:38:32 welp 15:38:50 can you fix this easilly now or should I 15:39:09 i am on it, baby 15:39:20 hoo! 15:39:44 Once this fungis train gets goin...the next stop is Commit Town! 15:40:27 no brakes on this fungal train... 15:42:04 I love that tedric chooses the iron giant change of all things to start back up his tavern PSAs 15:42:39 ? 15:42:39 the people need to know 15:43:08 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=21415 15:43:16 "here's a supposedly important thing that just changed in trunk" posts 15:43:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1487-g96ce7ed: Re-add rest_delay option (oops) 10(32 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/96ce7ed71cf8 15:43:52 oh, that iron giant change 15:43:52 i was thinking about mine 15:43:52 well it was cool how he did those, but tedric just sort of stopped after a couple weeks 15:43:52 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:44:26 and yeah the iron giant change to normal move speed is actually much more significant (not that changes to iron giants are terribly significant in general) 15:44:39 blog updates are more frequent than they had been now anyway, i guess 15:44:40 the 3 runers need to know about this important change to their game! 15:44:50 Topic: I accidentally threw my Horn of Geryon into deep water.. 15:44:57 Good Riddance. 15:45:47 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.1/20160817112116]] 15:45:51 the tragic flavour loss of being able to lock yourself out of hell by killing geryon over lava... 15:46:33 ??rebuild 15:46:33 rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/rebuild/ Bug |amethyst or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 15:47:33 I beleive araganzar was having the same issue on cjr yesterday, although it's possible the lack of HDArc on that server was the culprit 15:47:40 wrt rest_delay 15:47:54 hrm, the refactor didn't merge until late though, so maybe it was just HDArc 15:50:04 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 15:52:30 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:52:41 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:39 from the cbro rebuild 15:53:40 initfile.cc: In member function ‘const std::vector game_options::build_options_list()’: 15:53:43 initfile.cc:109:16: warning: unused variable ‘USING_LOCAL_TILES’ [-Wunused-variable] 15:53:50 -!- glosham has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:55:00 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:55:34 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:33 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:51 * geekosaur pokes local stuff, not updated or rebuilt yet 16:02:08 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1488-g1d9f490: Give sixfirhies rElec+++ 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1d9f490b8932 16:02:08 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1489-ga782747: Simply Virulence to only apply rPois- 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 35-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a7827471a7ca 16:02:35 ...went a bit long without updating linux oops 16:03:02 had to push those just *after* I pulled, didn't you :p 16:03:04 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1487-g96ce7ed (34) 16:04:37 -!- Prozacelf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:46 Simply Virulence, a new fragrance from the Snake Pits 16:04:51 oh, wouldn't see those apparently, not doing webtiles builds 16:04:55 oh haha 16:04:56 oops 16:04:56 or local tiles 16:05:21 yeah I don't get this warning locally with a webtiles build 16:05:31 both cbro/cao see it 16:05:42 * geekosaur suspects local tiles will no longer build on the mac until the macports shims are correctly updated 16:05:56 (or I rip them out and go back to submodules, sigh) 16:06:09 don't want to just build the contribs? 16:06:30 was trying to build with macports stuff, so more like the linux build using vendor packages 16:07:05 -!- DashNine has quit [Quit: Process terminated] 16:07:12 but I did not update it for a long time, in particular I don't think I ever used it with the switch to sdl2 16:08:05 (also was angling toward a MacPorts port, so I could arrange for people to be able to build it on older OS X, but the move to C++11 killed that pretty much) 16:09:09 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1487-g96ce7ed (34) 16:09:15 (making older systems use libc++ is ... hairy. I could do it for the official crawl build because I have control over the contribs and don't have to worry about compatibility, and thankfully sdl doesn't actually *use* Apple's Foundation stuff despite linking it or tiles would be doomed) 16:10:15 aaaand... it's back: dgn-labyrinth.cc:220:20: warning: passing an object that undergoes default argument promotion to 'va_start' has undefined behavior [-Wvarargs] 16:10:44 !source dgn-labyrinth.cc:220 16:10:44 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dgn-labyrinth.cc#L220 16:11:14 same problem as before, just a new instance apparently 16:11:31 unless updating from clang 3.9 prerelease to GA enabled detecting it 16:12:44 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:40 why do we have a vector version of that and a var_args version 16:14:49 I guess it's just to not duplicate all the vector setup code 16:20:50 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1487-g96ce7ed (34) 16:22:22 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:00 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:28:38 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:30:21 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:55 -!- jeefus is now known as jefus 16:37:48 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:17 -!- TMTurtle has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:46:04 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:51:11 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:58:10 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:10 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:15 !seen marvinpa 16:58:16 I last saw MarvinPA at Wed Sep 7 20:04:56 2016 UTC (53m 19s ago) saying 'oops' on ##crawl-dev. 16:58:42 oh, nvm actually 16:58:45 misread which half of virulence you removed 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:15 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:03:45 !tell marvinpa https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21407 your work is appreciated... 17:03:45 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 17:05:16 :D 17:05:16 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:07:49 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:09:19 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1489-ga782747 (34) 17:10:42 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:17:15 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:18:34 -!- pottsy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:26:04 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:29:16 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:33:09 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.1/20160817112116]] 17:36:02 !tell pleasingfungus fixed thanks 17:36:02 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 17:37:43 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:07 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:46:55 -!- insecticide2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:43 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:50:06 -!- packet_loss has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:45 -!- squidcat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:13 -!- ximxim has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:00:20 -!- ximxim_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:04:56 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:11:43 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:11:57 mibe has an issue after updating to the latest version last night. https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10662 18:12:57 wasn't sure if that error made any sense to any of you 18:13:14 ??rebuild 18:13:14 rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/rebuild/ Bug |amethyst or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 18:13:37 any reason I shouldn't just rebuild? 18:15:02 -!- Smashy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:04 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1489-ga782747 (34) 18:16:50 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:29 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 18:23:21 johnstein: that was fixed, and cbro has been rebuilt as of a couple hours ago 18:23:53 at least it should be fixed 18:28:43 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:29:00 thanks 18:30:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:32:12 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:47:56 -!- xyblor___ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49:27 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:50:14 -!- smee has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:51:22 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:59:59 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:00:35 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04:12 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:05:05 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:27 -!- Bammboo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:09 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:10:38 -!- shnurlf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:13:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:39 -!- Prozacelf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 19:23:39 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:24:32 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:52 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:27:21 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:50 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:33:59 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:33:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 19:36:45 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 19:37:14 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:38:14 -!- OrphineM has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:42:27 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:45:07 -!- glosham has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:45:07 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:07 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:46:09 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:37 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:04 -!- koboldina has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:44 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:55 -!- Nomi has quit [Client Quit] 19:51:38 hrm 19:51:38 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:52:55 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:53:50 -!- smee has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:54:29 -!- MadCoyote is now known as FunkyBomb 19:54:45 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:55:27 -!- packet_loss has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:31 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:56 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:39 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20:10 lol 20:25:59 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:35:58 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:13 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:41:12 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:44:31 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:45:45 i wish food was uninterruptible again 20:46:27 it keeps firing when something walks into los while I autoexplore and i never care 20:49:38 yeah I need an option to change that 20:49:45 the extra prompting always annoys me 20:49:59 I think there is an option to change it? 20:50:02 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:50:19 also the prompt doesn't alwaays do what i want 20:50:34 like i think it's a --more-- and i hit spacebar, and that cancels eating or something 20:50:50 hrm, but it's a yes/no prompt isn't it? 20:51:04 I don't recall it being a more, but I might be wrong 20:51:05 y/n 20:51:09 it's not a more 20:51:13 but i think it is, so i hit spacebar 20:52:00 well you need butt_lang clearly 20:52:00 then you can get --butt-- and butt/butt prompts 20:58:46 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:15 what amalloy said too 21:01:23 it also has no canned response after choosing no 21:01:29 so I sometimes press n twice and move 21:01:46 it says you stop eating 21:06:13 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:56 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:23:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:48 but there's no setting that can change this? 21:27:51 I haven't looked yet 21:35:16 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:37:48 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:38:08 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:42:05 -!- packet_loss has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:28 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:44:40 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:47:55 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:48:20 -!- ScarCow has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:50:20 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:28 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:50:30 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:08 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:54:14 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:55:02 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:55:52 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:57:09 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:47 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:59:16 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:54 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:03:18 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:06:12 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:31 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:07:49 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:09:54 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:47 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:16:11 -!- Tickenest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:16:18 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:17:32 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:18:38 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:19:50 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:36 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:27:28 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:31:04 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:07 imo, food should not be interruptible 22:31:30 it's very annoying when it is interrupted, but it's Optimal to be able to cancel it 22:32:10 why is anything interruptible? 22:32:10 therefore, don't force players to choose 22:32:10 idk. bad decisions 22:32:10 *bad design decisions :P 22:32:10 "historical precedent" 22:32:16 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:32:43 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:37:45 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:39:00 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:41:01 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:14 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43:24 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: IMO it would be better if 'Y' were the 'safe' option 22:43:51 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I have several times wasted food because of getting that prompt unexpectedly during travel-eating 22:44:14 oh, does cancelling midway through destroy the food? 22:44:19 <|amethyst> hm 22:44:25 <|amethyst> maybe it doesn't, let me check 22:44:35 <|amethyst> oh, never mind 22:44:39 <|amethyst> just wasted turns then 22:45:52 so why does food take ever take multiple turns to eat, again? 22:45:53 i guess, in principle, having the option to cancel eating makes auto-eat options less non-optimal 22:45:57 hi minmay 22:46:11 you can't claim tactical implications anymore since beef jerky and pizza take a single turn to eat now 22:46:12 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:46:19 can't i? 22:46:29 pretty sure i can 22:46:34 well, you can, but it would be ridiculous since beef jerky and pizza take a single turn to eat now 22:46:40 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:46:49 why is that ridiculous? 22:46:53 of course, you could revert the changes to beef jerky and pizza 22:46:56 and then it wouldn't be ridiculous 22:47:24 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1490-g5dd3618: Fix a memory leak 10(25 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5dd3618561fa 22:47:48 because if you want to eat and you're in a situation where multiturn eating would have a tactical implication, you can just eat a beef jerky or pizza instead of a ration or chunk... 22:47:48 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:47:49 or a fruit 22:47:50 doesn't give as much nutrition, though. 22:48:15 I really can't think of a situation where that would be relevant 22:48:16 <|amethyst> it does use a permanent resource when eating a chunk would not 22:48:25 <|amethyst> except there is so much of the permanent resource 22:48:35 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.2/20160823121617]] 22:48:56 and it gives as much nutrition/turn as a bread ration 22:49:33 -!- OrphineM has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:49:37 there's not that much jerky or pizza in the game. 22:49:59 uhhh yeah there is 22:50:28 I usually eat it before rations and still don't run out 22:50:47 there's so much more than you need 22:51:02 I rarely run out of any individual food type 22:51:21 a chunk of the way through the game I'm turning stuff off of autopickup and throwing food away 22:51:27 I literally try to run out of individual food types because food taking multiple inventory slots is awful, and I still don't manage to actually run out most of the time 22:51:28 just to reduce inventory hassle 22:51:34 <|amethyst> 13 pizza slices, 20 beef jerky, and 47 fruit in a 3-rune game 22:51:42 dang, that's a lot more than i'd have expected 22:51:46 that seems really high 22:51:58 it's 22:52:03 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:52:04 <|amethyst> 36 bread rations and 33 meat rations 22:53:22 time to severely reduce food and let nature sort it out 22:53:29 <|amethyst> we could remove chunks altogether and melee characters who aren't ghouls probably wouldn't notice 22:53:36 <|amethyst> s/melee/minimal-spellcasting/ 22:53:40 also leaving autoeat on without interruptions was downright suicidal unless you were very specific about where you pressed o and 5, I tried it when it was made default and it nearly killed me multiple times 22:53:58 |amethyst: it's equally easy to win "pure casters" without any chunks 22:54:19 look at all the spriggan wins 22:54:23 <|amethyst> you have to train spellcasting higher than you otherwise would 22:54:27 <|amethyst> spriggans don't count 22:54:31 <|amethyst> because they have slow metabolism 22:54:43 i don't think slow metabolism is the key thing 22:54:47 you really don't have to train spellcasting higher 22:55:05 <|amethyst> !lg * cj win -log 22:55:06 1658. Condria, XL27 TeCj, T:86745: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Condria/morgue-Condria-20160907-211456.txt 22:55:42 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:57:19 !log . won veh 22:57:20 23. minmay, XL27 OpCj, T:86455: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/minmay/morgue-minmay-20160811-003824.txt 22:57:51 that was very nearly a "pure caster", cast tons of high-hunger spells, and if you check the lst there was still enough nutrition in the game for the character to win without using chunks at all if I had so chosen 22:58:56 and I could have simply not fire stormed rats etc. to make the margin way, way larger 22:58:56 you really need to be doing heavy channeling to have food issues, probably 22:58:56 that's my experience 22:58:56 no change in spellcasting training required 22:58:56 <|amethyst> yeah, that tengu did get enough food in the game to not have to eat chunks 22:59:07 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:59:15 that argument would be more persuasive if heavy channeling was a thing that is still in the game 22:59:28 i'm doing it on my current character 22:59:51 -!- whig is now known as suncrab 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:35 staff channeling is about as food efficient as resting (unless it's wucad mu in which case it's way more efficient), and if it's not wucad mu then it's a staff of energy, and guess what else a staff of energy does? 23:00:53 regarding food, please just goddamn unify food types 23:01:01 chequers, just do it 23:01:03 but why would i use a staff of energy to cast when i could be using a staff of conj instead 23:01:05 Push it, they can't stop you 23:01:16 merge rations, merge jerky/pizza 23:01:17 Just force the commit, all the tavern goes will be behind you 23:01:21 well, *i* wouldn't use a staff of energy to cast. but you seem to be worried about food for some reason, so that's why you might use it 23:01:22 merge all food into spam 23:01:22 it'll be like a siege on the devteam 23:01:25 Dracunos: you know i'm not a dev right 23:01:32 Together, we can, chequers 23:01:36 oh ok 23:01:45 We can force that commit into the github 23:01:58 gnollcrawl takes its first steps to being a true fork... 23:02:20 A true fork? What's required for a fork to be a 'true fork'? :p 23:02:29 chequers and minmay: schroedinger's devs 23:02:30 arbitrary changes based on dev whims 23:03:03 <|amethyst> !lg * cj win -2 -log 23:03:04 1657/1658. Pikaro, XL27 DECj, T:130184: http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Pikaro/morgue-Pikaro-20160907-193845.txt 23:03:07 Hrmm, how arbitrary are we talking? 23:03:15 I feel like many of my decisions were arbitrary :D 23:03:23 no true forksman 23:03:26 to be clear if you want to make all food take multiple turns to eat, and get rid of default autoeat, I think that's fine too 23:03:28 <|amethyst> unless I'm miscounting, this game would have been 100000 nutrition short 23:03:41 er, and get rid of eating being interruptible, that is 23:03:52 minmay: my argument was that if there was significantly less food in the game, then i'd play differently. for example, i might actually use a staff of energy to cast 23:04:30 getting rid of eating would also be acceptable 23:04:30 |amethyst: without chunks? 23:04:30 how many chunks is that? 23:04:30 <|amethyst> chequers: 100 chunks 23:04:45 how come they ate 300 chunks? Oh, their spare permafood equals 200 chunks of nutrition? 23:04:51 <|amethyst> chequers: the game had 303 chunks eaten, and I calculated 203000 nutrition worth of uneaten food in inventory and in the explored dungeon 23:04:53 i really hate everything related to crawl's food design and would rather not think about it ever 23:04:54 PleasingFungus: I don't see how that relates to eating taking multiple turns, but sure 23:04:58 right 23:05:04 that's my secret confession 23:05:12 you know, both forks of crawl have just removed food entirely 23:05:17 dcss-ca and gnollcrawl 23:05:20 Both forks :D 23:05:28 also crawl light 23:05:36 but NOT extra-hearty 23:05:41 The amount of hours that went into dcssca, compared to gnollcrawl, that's pretty insulting 23:05:45 To gnollcrawl, chequers 23:05:55 |amethyst: if there were actually no chunks, the character could have just recognized that and cast glaciate slightly less 23:06:26 -!- geekosaur has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 23:06:52 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:06:58 I think looking at a post-sacrifice-removal berserker would be more informative, since you can reasonably assume that a decent player would only berserk in situations where it is at least vaguely useful 23:07:04 jokes aside, anyone here work on dcssca? 23:07:23 I think I had a few commits accepted. But it was 99% one man's work 23:07:23 I work on the duvessa tavern account, that's only a few letters away 23:07:48 i said some things in this channel that the dcss-ca guys chose to use as justification for some of their changes 23:07:53 more specifically I think a few of my rejected/ignored PRs were added to dcss-ca 23:07:59 sounds right 23:08:01 Haha 23:08:08 Yeah, I assumed stuff like that was in it 23:08:10 also they made shield swapping take a single turn 23:08:26 I wonder what it would be like, a hyper-realistic crawl 23:08:32 Must unequip weapon to pick up item 23:08:36 dropping shield takes 1 aut 23:08:37 Dracunos: real life is a roguelike 23:08:50 i didn't get to choose my character class 23:08:53 taking off a hat, 2 auts, helmet 5 auts 23:09:07 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1490-g5dd3618 (34) 23:09:08 real life roguelike, "rlrl" 23:09:11 But chance for nose injury 23:09:23 i think that's called unreal world, actually 23:09:27 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 23:10:04 Dracunos: do you miss it taking different amounts of time to put on/take off different types of armour 23:10:04 real life roguelike go 23:10:04 anyway, i'll submit a PR to merge rations, and a PR to remove carnivore/rework herbivore to "no chunks" 23:10:04 No, I get that in nethack 23:10:04 point your phone at a squirrel then kill it to gain experience points 23:10:06 And maybe powder, I can't tell how long turns are taking there 23:10:16 then a PR to merge mini-rations (except jelly/fruit), then a PR to reduce permafood generation by x% 23:10:28 then i'll get back to achievements 23:11:09 you might want to get a dev sponsor before you submit shit 23:11:11 idk tho 23:11:20 PleasingFungus: will you be my dev sponsor? <3 23:11:30 💘 23:11:35 [20:04] PleasingFungus i really hate everything related to crawl's food design and would rather not think about it ever 23:11:50 "rather" = my foot in the door 23:11:55 lol 23:11:56 imo, food library to go with the spell library thing 23:12:04 i miss spell library guy 23:12:09 i thought that had promise 23:12:15 I mean, how unbalanced would the game become if you removed food 23:12:20 Just flat out 23:12:28 also, if anyone has some good achievements to add to this list lemme know: https://github.com/zxc23/dcss-scoreboard/blob/master/scoreboard/constants.py#L270 23:12:29 food is kind of already removed 23:12:45 think of the incredible power of the mummy... 23:12:46 I mean, vampires have to like.. save orc for dessert sometimes, I hear 23:12:47 requirements a) not something you will do anyway b) not grindable(ish) 23:12:50 If they want to be alive 23:13:07 food is like that plot from LOST with the guy in the hatch having to push a button every so often 23:13:09 But I guess keeping vampire feeding isn't unreasonable 23:13:11 cheevos for losing are always kind of weird 23:13:37 I resent being called a xenophiliac 23:13:43 I'm not attracted to humans 23:13:51 I mean, food eating races, can you just camp out on a D level forever and just keep eating the stuff that comes to you, like in nethack when you're saccing at an altar? 23:14:04 Or will you eventually get hungrier than you're eating 23:14:15 well, monsters eventually stop spawning 23:14:18 latter, in my experience 23:14:32 chequers: it seems like winning with 15 runes should be an achievement 23:14:32 it's sort of weird 23:14:49 maybe also 5 runes 23:14:55 Dracunos, you can do that in lair, zot, and holy pan quite well 23:14:58 So would that effect need to be replaced if food was removed? 23:15:01 Yeah, I figured lair 23:15:40 i should hope not 23:15:40 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:15:40 Is scumming okay? 23:15:40 I've never tried it in places like D or depths because they have meaningful OOD spawns 23:15:40 our other clocks are better than hunger 23:15:40 idk 23:15:40 like triggering the ood 23:15:40 not that our other clocks are good 23:15:40 i mean, mummies exist 23:15:40 Is the ood meant to basically prevent scumming on the same level? 23:15:42 crawl's other clocks are pretty incomplete 23:15:45 Although obviously that's how koboldina won her duhz win :p 23:15:51 so in principle, any problem that hungerlessness creates already exists 23:15:53 mummy scumming for ood 23:15:57 it's not actually a hypothetical 23:16:07 yeah, it's not, so you shouldn't say "in principle" :P 23:16:10 also necromut, though if you have necromut you should really have just won already 23:16:25 minmay: well, no one plays mummies 23:16:29 :p 23:16:38 !lm . alive x=start 23:16:39 44. [2016-07-05 15:13:51] [start=2016-04-24 00:59:36 [20160324005936S]] Dracunos the Champion of Chaos (L20 MuMo of Makhleb) left the Elven Halls on turn 74343. (Elf:1) 23:16:45 wow, condolences 23:16:48 :D He's still there 23:16:50 my dream implementation of food is still that instead of gold being shown on the main screen, food is shown on the main screen 23:17:01 food is a number and it is your nutrition level 23:17:05 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 23:17:12 I barely noticed he was a mummy once i got the haste wand 23:17:15 whenever you touch a food item it is added to your nutrition level (which is not capped) and disappears 23:17:20 when your nutrition level reaches 0 you die 23:17:23 do spells and things eat nutrition 23:17:38 they can if you want, it doesn't really make sense though 23:17:48 i'd prefer if they didn't 23:17:56 maybe hungry ghosts can 23:18:01 since what I'm describing is pretty much current crawl with fewer keypresses 23:18:28 pretty much is such a flexible phrase 23:18:37 pretty much 23:18:48 Maybe hunger doesn't have to depend on turns taken or actions.. Not that I can think of an alternative :p 23:19:05 every time you kill a monster, you get hungrier 23:19:11 I didn't want to use a flexible phrase but if I didn't ambiguate it with "pretty much" or something similar you'd make another comment about having to eat in combat :P 23:19:20 too bad, i'm gonna do that anyway! 23:19:25 -!- packet_loss has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:28 >:o 23:19:28 But that's basically assuming we need the food concept for preventing scumming, or driving the player forward, or whatever it is 23:19:37 well 23:19:39 Dracunos: the sole and entire purpose of hunger is to limit turns taken though 23:19:40 that's the original purpose 23:19:52 and the only well-thought-out purpose 23:20:00 the rest is clutter and bad thinking 23:20:23 cargo cult design and simulationism in a non-simulationist game 23:20:30 another food alternative: angel of red alert 23:20:32 Well, I guess the purpose doesn't even matter.. what do we want moving forward 23:21:14 *bangs elbows on table* we want no food 23:21:14 I guess if the game continues to shorten that'll make food even more meaningless? I'm not sure 23:21:15 food generated depends on length of game already... 23:21:20 shortening generally results in fewer items spawned meaning less food 23:21:21 yes 23:21:21 eat your broccoli, minmay 23:21:25 also do you remember hive 23:21:27 if anything, there are fewer guaranteed food vaults 23:21:29 rip hive 23:21:34 i was only around for 2-floor hive 23:21:40 get a load of this guy, telling mummies to eat 23:21:55 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:22:00 someone pull up the mummy in a bar comic 23:22:17 ??minmay[2] 23:22:18 minmay[2/16]: http://i.imgur.com/F9rnGzB.png | http://i.imgur.com/yX1NdZD.png | http://i.imgur.com/645p32Z.png 23:22:24 -!- aditya has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22:28 ty' 23:22:39 lmao, i literally never noticed the blue e before 23:22:54 every time 23:23:26 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 23:23:27 ontoclasm: thats what bugs me, so many people like this comic but think the joke is 'you cant drink' no the joke is that this isnt the first time its happened 23:23:47 there can be multiple jokes 23:23:57 -!- DarkwingDuck has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:24:27 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:06 -!- allbery_b has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:18 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:28:22 !tell evilmike in colony.j2b position 23, channels 12, 15, and 16 are using instrument 18 when they should clearly be using instrument 23. i just discovered this 23:28:23 minmay: OK, I'll let evilmike know. 23:28:48 (i hope evilmike joins a crawl channel again at some point so he sees that) 23:29:13 ontoclasm: also I feel "owned" should be "annihilated" 23:29:14 lol 23:29:30 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:30:04 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:23 chequers: also I feel "owned" should be "annihilated" 23:31:31 ontoclasm: i'm not sure why i thought you were the scoreboard guy for a moment 23:31:35 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 23:32:41 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC] 23:36:06 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:37:16 -!- allbery_b is now known as geekosaur 23:41:51 -!- scotchmint has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:42:31 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:42:43 i secretly am 23:45:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:50:37 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:52:17 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 23:52:26 -!- Twinge has quit [] 23:54:02 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 23:54:46 -!- geekosaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:55:39 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:56:33 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:33 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 23:56:48 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:58:06 minmay: not sure about the 15-rune win achievement. It feels a little close to "you'll do this anyway" 23:58:23 agreed on annhilated though 23:59:26 <+PleasingFungus> cheevos for losing are always kind of weird <-- http://chrishecker.com/Achievements_considered_harmful%3F my guiding light amongst the chaos