00:00:00 geekosaur: barely worth mentioning that qualification 00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:29 enh. they have executive function rivaling our closest relatives already 00:00:50 time to rework hep as the canine god, giving you a choice of a knighthound, battle dalmatian, or hexer spaniel 00:01:03 finally, felid ancestors are solved 00:01:10 just a cat and a dog on an adventure... 00:01:27 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:54 empowered saltlings are just mighted iirc 00:01:58 oh 00:01:59 @??saltling mighted 00:01:59 unknown monster: "saltling mighted" 00:02:02 @??saltling:might 00:02:02 unknown monster: "saltling:might" 00:02:06 argh 00:02:07 so 30 damage then 00:02:19 <|amethyst> @?? saltling perm_ench:might 00:02:19 saltling (008) | Spd: 12 | HD: 8 | HP: 23-32 | AC/EV: 15/5 | Dam: 30 | 11non-living, 10doors, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 271 | Sz: small | Int: brainless. 00:02:31 <|amethyst> doesn't actually affect 'monster' output anyway 00:02:35 oh nice, I didn't realize saltlings were fast too 00:05:04 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1341-g3513869 (34) 00:07:20 -!- OrphineM has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:08:01 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:08:30 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:57 battle dalmation?? yes please 00:09:55 death chihuahau 00:09:55 some of these early Stone Soup commit messages are amazing 00:09:56 "Force mapping of player's square always. 00:09:56 " 00:09:57 <|amethyst> hechshund 00:10:10 "[1581184] Fixed rotting food being visible outside LOS." 00:10:26 how many of these are the devs fixing linley's mistakes 00:10:31 almost all of them 00:10:32 think I remember seeing that one even 00:10:33 lol 00:10:38 http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/changes.txt warning huge 00:10:45 hit 'End' or something 00:10:49 well, claiming those are directly linley's mistakes... 00:11:04 remember linley crawl was like v4 by time of dcss with lots of contributors 00:11:05 early DCSS was a *lot* of technical and build fixes 00:11:08 4.0 yeah 00:11:15 not sure how much linley himself was even still doing at that time 00:11:22 it was Linley's Dungoen Crawl then Dungeon Crawl then DCSS 00:11:31 henzell stopped working on it in like 2002 or something?? 00:11:40 or earlier, even? 00:11:49 <|amethyst> ??ancient 00:11:49 mikee[1/27]: Used to be a good player, nerfed in 0.6. Now is a greatplayer! 00:11:54 <|amethyst> ??crawl-ancient 00:11:54 crawl-ancient[1/1]: git://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ancient.git contains 2.72, 4.00b26, {4.1}.2alpha, and {crawl alternative} 00:12:37 <|amethyst> !learn edit crawl-ancient s/git/https/ 00:12:37 crawl-ancient[1/1]: https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ancient.git contains 2.72, 4.00b26, {4.1}.2alpha, and {crawl alternative} 00:12:43 <|amethyst> !learn edit crawl-ancient s/crawl-ref/crawl/ 00:12:44 crawl-ancient[1/1]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl-ancient.git contains 2.72, 4.00b26, {4.1}.2alpha, and {crawl alternative} 00:12:52 <|amethyst> !learn edit crawl-ancient s/\.git// 00:12:52 crawl-ancient[1/1]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl-ancient contains 2.72, 4.00b26, {4.1}.2alpha, and {crawl alternative} 00:12:54 ??crawl alternative 00:12:54 crawl alternative[1/4]: A very old (pre-Stone-Soup) and apparently abandoned fork of Crawl: http://www.interq.or.jp/libra/oohara/crawl-alternative/ or https://github.com/crawl/crawl-ancient/tree/alternative 00:13:21 crawl alternative: Doom 00:13:21 -!- Suga_H has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13:26 damn, that wax melting tech... 00:13:53 "Blork shouldn't ever receive elven robes." 00:15:32 the kinkshaming is real 00:16:03 I put on my orcish suspenders and wizard hat 00:16:41 you feel powerful. 00:16:50 -!- beatdown has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.1 - http://znc.in] 00:17:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:18:34 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:03 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:14 I may need someone to draw pixelly elves for money in a few months 00:19:21 anyone possibly interested? 00:21:09 -!- Zekka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21:09 these early commits are so amazing 00:21:09 loads and loads of bugfixes 00:21:09 but, seemingly, no actual addressing of the underlying issues 00:21:09 will the elves include waifus 00:21:32 everyone was kinda terrified of the code involved, iirc 00:21:49 no, but there is one kiss involved 00:22:27 -!- nonethousand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:33 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:33 I like that the commits get much more sophisicated and complex about the time that I went off to college (and that jpeg began contributing) 00:22:42 also the time I got my first win 00:22:54 interesting to see how the overall tenor changes with each new contributor to the devteam 00:23:04 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:23:14 "Changed unwield_item() to actually unwield the item," 00:23:21 (background: I was in the group at CMU that Nat Lanza and Peter Berger hung out with, and they managed to hook many of us on crawl, then their fork of it, then their merge with the snark's fork that created DCSS) 00:23:46 every so often we got treated to rants about the codebase 00:24:05 s p a g h e t t i 00:24:16 even back then as a casual player you'd ever so often hear about how the codebase was 00:26:46 Brannock_: well I think some of the initial commits done in the fork were pretty big and complicated 00:26:46 didn't snark first implement autoexplore? 00:26:46 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:46 -!- aditya has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:49 I don't mean to minimize these commits, I'm just fascinated by this glimpse into crawl history 00:27:11 up until a few years ago I'd only seen it purely from the perspective of a casual player 00:27:18 <|amethyst> Is there an arena mode FAQ somewhere? 00:27:30 your view of what's complicated and what's not may change as you get more familiar with the codebase! 00:27:38 <|amethyst> Someone on tavern says that "FAQ of arena tells us a story about more than average AI on the arena" 00:28:05 i think it means the docs 00:28:42 <|amethyst> do the docs say that monsters in Arena are smarter than in the normal game? 00:28:44 !source arenta.txt 00:28:45 Can't find arenta.txt. 00:28:47 <|amethyst> because I think that would be a lie 00:28:48 !source arena.txt 00:28:48 nice 00:28:49 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/arena.txt 00:29:06 <|amethyst> oh 00:29:08 <|amethyst> so it does 00:29:10 almost half of crawl's total commits have come in the past three years 00:29:29 also overall style of commits have become a lot more codified 00:29:31 <|amethyst> * no_force_ai: The monsters in the arena are somewhat smarter than they are than when they're facing the player. This parameter removes that extra intelligence. 00:29:33 well 00:29:46 that statement isn't really true right 00:29:46 obviously # of commits don't map to difficulty/complexity of comit 00:29:49 minmay: how much money and how pixelly are these elves 00:29:52 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:29:55 also how many elves 00:29:55 no_4.1 :p 00:29:56 since crawl was imported in a giant commit 00:30:05 <|amethyst> gammafunk: that is the only occurrence of "no_force_ai" anywhere in the code base 00:30:09 haha 00:30:15 I'm just judging off the CDO changes.txt log 00:30:42 2013 seems to be a particularly busy year 00:31:27 |amethyst: oh, I realize you were responding to what I said 00:31:33 what I was saying was in response to Brannock_ 00:31:34 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:31:42 <|amethyst> ah 00:32:23 -!- Brannock_ is now known as Brannock 00:32:23 but that's still funny 00:32:29 <|amethyst> Brannock: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/graphs/contributors 00:33:25 yeah given about 6 years of significant activity 00:33:44 "half within the last three years" doesn't seem particularly notable 00:34:01 <|amethyst> also, this is measuring just commits 00:34:09 <|amethyst> those were much bigger in the svn days 00:34:21 -!- jeefus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:34:46 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:47 kilobyte was a machine 00:36:04 I'm not familiar with svn 00:36:05 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:37:09 svn is just another SCM system 00:38:00 they were bigger because svn was harder to use -- so you put more into each commit 00:38:00 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:38:00 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:38:00 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:00 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:38:00 -!- bh is now known as Guest49727 00:38:08 not so much harder to use, as harder to use effectively in a group context 00:38:15 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:38:20 -!- hyperbolic has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:38:27 -!- Lohengramm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:43 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:50 svn was infamous for lousy branching and merging support, so you tended to have one person do what they wanted to get done, commit, then the next one did their thing, etc. 00:39:02 svn's merging and branching was easier than cvs's 00:39:04 the days of inefficiency... 00:39:06 because reconciling multiple people working on the same codebase was actively painful 00:39:16 but still hundreds of times harder than with git today 00:39:22 I'm vaguely glad I only got into coding within the past several years 00:39:30 * geekosaur still remembers using sccs. *shudder* 00:39:32 current svn is a lot easier to use, no? 00:39:34 <|amethyst> I think I made a branch with CVS once 00:39:56 imagine what niceties new coders for granted 5 years from now, Brannock, and be amazed you ever did without 00:39:58 -!- Zekka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:05 <|amethyst> if so, my memory has thankfully suppressed the trauma 00:40:14 <|amethyst> never used sccs, but I did use RCS for a while 00:40:20 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:40:34 a lot of BSDs still use CVS, don't they 00:40:54 I recall that openbsd does, at least 00:40:58 maybe some are on svn now 00:41:00 -!- Lohengramm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:32 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:41:33 freebsd used perforce (a commercial fork of cvs) for a long time, with a read-only cvs export for non-core devs; it's on svn now 00:41:50 ah, didn't know that 00:42:37 p4 added optimizations and rudimentary changeset support 00:43:43 including a binary repo-file format that was much faster than the purely text-based CVS format if you needed to do anything with history (which in cvs of the day involved reverse-applying every patch back to the point in history you were interested in) 00:44:03 every single patch 00:44:24 yeh, got slow if you wanted to wade through a couple years' worth of history 00:44:31 what was coding like before SCM..? 00:44:53 tarballs 00:44:55 same as it is for every programmer that still hasn't discovered SCM 00:45:13 Linus used to say that tarball distribution is already superior to CVS 00:45:27 (remember Linus Torvalds actively resisted SCM until the day he managed to nuke his private Linux source tree) 00:45:33 i wonder if bsd will ever move to git 00:45:33 lol 00:46:12 it's probably too much like admitting failure. I guess they'd pick mercurial or something 00:46:30 well I think modern svn is fine for a lot of people 00:46:35 <|amethyst> mercurial is GPL also 00:46:40 sweetened condensed milk isn't THAT important 00:46:57 <|amethyst> so, how about that SharePoint? 00:47:18 chequers, probably not unless someone reimplements it with BSD-style license instead of GPL 00:47:26 heh, slooow 00:48:04 work went hard on the office 365 suite 00:48:36 I've learned more about real programming in the past month than I ever did in three years of my CS major, sadly enough 00:49:14 it was all theoretical 00:49:14 Oh, what have you been doing in the last month? 00:49:14 implementing dream sheep and reading through crawl's codebase, along with some personal projects 00:49:14 (sorry, low-hanging fruit) 00:49:35 <|amethyst> Brannock: I think that's true of pretty much any discipline 00:49:45 also you guys have taught me a shitload 00:49:46 thank you. 00:49:53 <|amethyst> Brannock: I imagine a month of running a company teaches you a lot more than a business degree :) 00:50:03 <|amethyst> s/a lot more/a lot more about running a company/ 00:50:03 that's true of a lot of disciplines 00:50:10 most of them, in fact 00:50:26 chequers I find rn very confusing because it doesn't reduce all things by the same percentage, eg torment vs vampiric brand vs negative energy damage 00:50:42 chequers: did you see marvinpa merged most of those together the other day? the only split now is torment vs the rest 00:51:46 !lg hyperbolic turns=17122 won 00:51:47 1. hyperbolic the Tainter (L14 SpEn of Ashenzari), escaped with the Orb on 2010-11-10 00:09:15, with 322098 points after 17122 turns and 2:21:11. 00:51:50 !lg hyperbolic turns=17122 won x=urune 00:51:51 1. [urune=0] hyperbolic the Tainter (L14 SpEn of Ashenzari), escaped with the Orb on 2010-11-10 00:09:15, with 322098 points after 17122 turns and 2:21:11. 00:51:55 pls help 00:52:08 <|amethyst> !lg hyperbolic turns=17122 x=cv 00:52:08 1. [cv=0.8-a] hyperbolic the Tainter (L14 SpEn of Ashenzari), escaped with the Orb on 2010-11-10 00:09:15, with 322098 points after 17122 turns and 2:21:11. 00:52:16 <|amethyst> you used to be able to drop runes 00:52:16 Tainer indeed... 00:52:18 PleasingFungus: oh I didn't realise the commit normalised everything 00:52:20 *Tainter 00:52:39 |amethyst: heh 00:52:45 <|amethyst> !lg hyperbolic turns=17122 won -log 00:52:46 1. hyperbolic, XL14 SpEn, T:17122: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/hyperbolic/morgue-hyperbolic-20101110-000915.txt 00:52:50 Pain brand, staff of death, vampiric brand, vampiric attack flavour, pain spell, vampiric draining spell, Yredelemnul drain life all now scale in the same way against rN, and only rN+++ grants full immunity. 00:52:53 there was some thing where you could like drop your runes in zot 00:53:00 then leave zot, and not be able to get back in? 00:53:06 ?/keys 00:53:07 Matching terms (6): gw-keys, qwkeys, roguekeys, st_keys, vikeys, ww-keys; entries (21): alcohol[1] | brogue[3] | capsrobin[1] | cbro[1] | coolplayers[1] | cXc[1] | dbro[1] | goodirc[2] | goodreddit[5] | hjklyubn[1] | hjklyubn[2] | ironwasp[1] | macro[2] | ninja[2] | numpad_reasons[1] | panrobin[1] | qwqw[1] | rune[1] | swissstopwatch[3] | swissstopwatch[4] | turnerjer[2] 00:53:08 <|amethyst> yeah 00:53:22 ?/your keys 00:53:23 No matches. 00:53:24 hm 00:53:36 <|amethyst> in this case, ic dropped his runes in Zot:1 00:53:38 ??turnerjer 00:53:38 ??ironwasp 00:53:38 turnerjer[1/7]: A lesson we should all appreciate: don't drop your runes in Zot, and then leave without them. 00:53:38 ironwasp[1/1]: jarpiains preferred handle for games where he controls characters on both cao and cdo with one set of keystrokes for both. 00:53:48 huh 00:53:52 does anyone speedrun 15-rune games? either turn or speedcount 00:53:52 1p2c 00:54:01 chequers: how do you mean? 00:54:04 ??alcohol 00:54:04 alcohol[1/2]: < mikee_> for some reason when i'm drunk i hit the wrong keys instead of the keys i want 00:54:09 good entry 00:54:10 you're asking if people do that? the answer is yes 00:54:51 !hs * 00:54:51 well, the scoreboard has a highscores tab for 'shortest' and 'fastest' but they're both dominated by 3-rune games 00:54:51 6098724. Sapher the Executioner (L26 DDWr of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-04-14 11:22:20, with 75023051 points after 19063 turns and 12:08:08. 00:54:51 <|amethyst> high score is pretty much 15-rune speedrun 00:54:51 19063 00:54:51 jesus christ 00:54:51 I'm wondering if we should have tabs for 15-rune-only variants 00:54:51 yeah 15-rune turncount are "high score" games 00:54:51 i don't know about realtime 15-rune runs 00:54:51 sounds tiring 00:54:51 <|amethyst> !lg * urune=15 min=dur 00:54:51 11309. simm the Axe Maniac (L27 MiBe of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-07-04 19:30:45, with 18580378 points after 82484 turns and 1:40:53. 00:54:52 <|amethyst> !lg * urune=15 min=dur -2 00:54:53 11308/11309. pubby the Invulnerable (L27 FoFi of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2016-03-07 23:01:06, with 21496944 points after 70563 turns and 1:51:53. 00:54:54 oh yeah i remember that 00:55:08 too bad you can't limit sequell queries 00:55:11 realtime-15 is actually fairly fun to do since you have to furiously plan ahead on the fly 00:55:15 chequers: most turncount runs are 15-rune, so yeah you deffo need to list that 00:55:18 like s=(top 100 results only) 00:55:20 but it's just "high scoring wins" 00:55:31 yeah the current cao page I think lists like 00:55:44 yeah. I guess if there's no 15-rune realtime scene, the current highscore pages are enough 00:55:52 oh lol 00:55:55 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/top-N.html 00:55:57 is the current page for that 00:56:02 i didn't realize there was a dumb special case for naga & salamanders already 00:56:03 stops at 1000 00:56:16 PleasingFungus: they look strangely attractive 00:56:20 chequers I feel like you're trying to restrict p357 scoreboard instead of building architecture that can handle whatever can be thrown at it 00:56:25 perhaps I'm mistaken 00:56:27 man... i'm on that page. it really does go to 1000 00:56:35 I don't think he's restricting it? 00:56:39 what do you mean? 00:56:39 he has to make a page for it 00:56:47 <|amethyst> what do you mean "whatever can be thrown at it"? 00:56:48 are you saying I should be basically building a sequell web interface? 00:56:54 <|amethyst> it's not like sequell where people write queries 00:57:07 <|amethyst> s/people/users/ 00:57:07 the issues with replacing score with runes, for example 00:57:10 right, this should not be a project of "recreate sequell" 00:57:14 instead of just adding a column for runes 00:57:32 there comes a point where the page is too wide to be worth using 00:57:32 I think that's simply "what do people want to see, within reason" 00:57:40 in the general case, it's certainly going to be an opinionated scoreboard. It will not show everything about every game 00:57:53 in this specific case, I'm showing runes & score for winning game tables now (and neither for recent games table) 00:57:54 like we could just show literally every field in the log entry, do people want to see that though? 00:58:08 chequers: imo add a ttyrec column, where it displays a replay of each game inline 00:58:13 lol 00:58:21 so i can load the score page and just watch the game to get whatever details i want 00:58:36 I don't mean to make a serious criticism, I'm just seeing a lot of "what should I replace this with" I guess 00:58:38 long term, I would like some feature where you can click into any game and see all sorts of crazy stats. even, yes, replay parsing. But that's so far down my priority list it will never happen 00:58:56 Brannock: well, I believe the biggest problem with CAO scoreboard is it has too much data 00:59:24 so your concern/criticism is certainly accurate 00:59:36 I can't really agree that this is CAO scoring's biggest problem 00:59:40 but "less data" is something I think will make our scorboard better 00:59:46 the biggest problem with CAO for me is not enough data :x (mainly I want sequell-achievements really badly) 00:59:50 <|amethyst> IMO the biggest problem with CAO scoreboard is that it is slow to update, slow to rebuild, and prone to losing games when crashes happen 01:00:27 but I think presentation does matter quite ab it 01:00:27 yeah what neil said 01:00:27 and your scoreboard is mkaing big strides towards it 01:00:27 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:27 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:51 on |amethyst's list: cpo scoreboard is approximately as slow to rebuild (although with equal hardware it will be faster), but shouldn't lose games. Although I have no solution for "logfiles that are no longer accessible online" yet 01:01:01 I mean, that huge win matrix is about the only major "offender" on the CAO player pages 01:01:03 ping zxc 01:01:32 and even that is basically recreated on the new pages! 01:01:43 the matrix wouldn't be so bad if it didn't include obsoleted races/jobs 01:01:58 well that would help it, but it's still pretty frickin' big 01:02:04 I agree 01:02:12 the per-foo columns? Yeah, although achievement progress ("7/24 greatercentaur") is something grids give that we don't yet 01:02:19 needs to be 3-dimensional and rotatable 01:02:26 tetrisphere.. 01:02:46 show me my hypercube of wins, cpo 01:03:58 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:04:18 chequers: new scoring will be done when you put some easter egg javascript game on the page in some obscure place 01:04:32 robotfindskitten? 01:05:11 konami code 01:05:14 into rfk 01:05:22 if you code it into js, i'll implement it 01:06:04 <|amethyst> cornify.js 01:06:04 would be a fun "learning more javascript" project 01:06:53 or if someone can find that python crawl that rwbarton made (and is now apparently lost) 01:08:28 python crawl?! 01:08:48 chequers: can just have filters to see particular races, roles etc 01:08:48 zxc: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 01:09:12 chequers: was a python mini crawl, there's a learndb entry for it, but the link to the source is broken 01:09:41 it was cool 01:09:44 ??pycrawl 01:09:45 I don't have a page labeled pycrawl in my learndb. Did you mean: pcrawl, ycrawl. 01:09:49 ??ycrawl 01:09:49 ycrawl[1/1]: Planned un-features, partial list: ench split; AM removal; felids; tornado; ash (partly); silent spectres in crypt; berserk when hungry; vampire mosquitoes; feature mimics; clinging; noise changes; speed nerf; corner nerf; unicode by default; rolling; gloom. 01:09:50 ??pcrawl 01:09:51 pcrawl[1/3]: fix default ^x behavior, look at traveling on magic mapped floors, inscribe dig wands zapped by unseen monsters with {tried}, toggle to view excluded squares in-game, lua function to detect sprint map, fix unique names in terse item inscriptions, fix experience potion bug on mac 01:09:56 hm 01:09:58 ??pcrawl[2 01:09:59 pcrawl[2/3]: learn lua by doing this for hangedman: non-constant, depth-adjustable stuff for the aut in the lua timer in the pastie see {gauntlet[2]}, figure out how to make walls appear instead of disappear on a timer 01:10:04 ??pcrawl[3 01:10:04 pcrawl[3/3]: damage dealt/received table for morgues 01:10:08 hrm 01:10:14 this sounds surprisingly recent 01:10:21 i wonder what this is 01:10:37 I think it was pcrawl? 01:10:51 ??fcrawl 01:10:51 fcrawl[1/3]: https://bpaste.net/raw/e2ddcb955f92 01:11:42 that's it 01:11:42 ??fcrawl[3 01:11:42 fcrawl[3/3]: fcrawl is basically a cross between crawl and rfk 01:12:28 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:12:40 -!- lynn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:15:01 -!- wombat_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:15:49 hm. I may have an older version on the mac (or the backup of the old mac) 01:16:33 -!- lynn_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:37 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:19 Enhancer staves do not print message for spell school+evo damage effect if that effect kills monster 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10643 by Shard1697 01:17:19 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:17:19 -!- Zeor has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:17:19 geekosaur: if you can find a copy, that'd be great 01:17:40 ...now why are my external drives not mounted 01:17:40 Lightli: I know you post on 4chan (don't try to deny it). Do any of those people have a recent copy of fcrawl? 01:17:51 or any copy 01:17:57 oh 01:17:58 If you find it, I'll unban you from my Twitch chat 01:18:06 gammafunk: 1. I don't post on 4chan often. 01:18:18 2. I was banned from your twitch chat? 01:18:25 you are now 01:18:32 yeah, when you made fun of nethack 01:18:33 Shard1697: classic bug! 01:18:49 but then I unbanned you, and now you're unbanned, but if you were to get banned again, this would be a "get out of jail free" card 01:18:56 <|amethyst> be careful trying to fix that one 01:19:01 lol 01:19:04 oh, how old is it? 01:19:10 ok 01:19:10 somewhere between three and five years 01:19:12 I'll try 01:19:13 not clear 01:19:14 thx 01:19:42 I remember noticing it with staff of air a while ago but forgot until now 01:19:52 <|amethyst> %git 46a0eddf9 01:19:53 07|amethyst02 * 0.11-a0-1686-g46a0edd: Actually kill creatures who die by staff damage. 10(4 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/46a0eddf9c76 01:20:11 lol 01:20:11 found it but it's in the old mac backup so likely out of date 01:20:15 creatures die when they are killed.. 01:20:32 -rw-r--r-- allbery/staff 62151 2013-09-17 17:06 ./Users/allbery/fcrawl.py 01:21:21 !tell ontoclasm just got the updated dowan/duvessa splash screen while loading up and gosh it looks so much better 01:21:21 koboldina: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 01:22:56 did anyone figure out what was with the broken halberdier splash screen 01:23:12 !bug 10290 01:23:13 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10290 01:23:19 looks like elton did 01:23:23 geekosaur: looks pretty old, but if you can pastebin that we'd appreciate it 01:23:30 apparently it was updated fairly recently 01:23:30 -!- adibis has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:23:46 i'd love to see it myself 01:23:48 rwbarton used to hang out in ##crawl-sequell 01:23:50 "fairly recently"? thought it'd been MIA for a couple years now 01:24:04 gammafunk I went to a local retro game store today and showed them some of my shirts and they said they wanted me to put them in there on commission 01:24:06 yeah the pastebin had been updated, but I can't say for sure 01:24:10 some people might be wearing crawl shirts and not even know about crawl soon 01:24:13 !tell ontoclasm as the splash screen king, would you mind glancing at 10290? a comment has a suggested fix (resizing the image), but i don't want to mangle it... 01:24:14 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 01:24:15 hah 01:24:27 I showed this guy the fedhas altar shirt and he was like "WOA THAT'S BADASS" 01:24:29 poor souls... 01:24:33 fedhas altar shirt? 01:24:40 yes did you not see? 01:24:40 wow, just the fedhas altar? 01:24:43 yes 01:24:46 maybe he was easily impressed 01:24:50 surprised it had such impact 01:24:53 don't think i saw it 01:25:00 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:25:00 yes I agree, you'd think it would only be meaningful/good to someone who knew about crawl 01:25:15 https://img0.etsystatic.com/120/0/12003434/il_570xN.1034299558_geea.jpg 01:25:17 plants! 01:25:27 woah, amalloy! just calm down... 01:25:41 a retro game store sounds like a good place to find people who do know about crawl, regardless 01:25:49 I had to explain to him what a roguelike was 01:25:50 heh 01:25:57 I kept giving examples and he didn't know about any of them 01:26:00 until I settled on "chocobo's dungeon" 01:26:05 -!- adibis has quit [Client Quit] 01:26:19 nice! 01:26:20 I was like "azure dreams?" nope "castle of the winds?" nope 01:26:26 i've....sort of heard of chocobo's dungeon? 01:26:27 he knew about chocobo tho 01:26:29 what the heck is azure dreams 01:26:35 diablo II 01:26:35 an amazing playstation 1 game 01:26:36 play it now 01:26:42 you get to have like 11 girlfriends in it 01:26:47 and you ride a motorcycle shaped like a penis 01:26:50 a hovercycle 01:27:01 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:27:04 oh man, that konami ps1 intro cgi! 01:27:07 I remember it well 01:27:17 your job is to get rich, improve your house, shame your rival and sleep with his sister, all while raiding a tower for riches with your pokemon 01:27:50 just a typical day for me... 01:28:32 gammafunk's penis hovercycle 01:28:32 (a new band name) 01:28:32 *clan name 01:28:32 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:29:14 http://lparchive.org/Azure-Dreams/Update%2033/55-Update25_49.png 01:29:16 seriously look at this thing 01:29:18 you're gonna tell me that's not a dong 01:29:43 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1342-g37e015d: Remove a now-redundant Salamander Mystic case 10(33 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/37e015dbc5c5 01:29:43 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1343-g0097d33: Genericify manticore spikes (Brannock) 10(23 minutes ago, 5 files, 9+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0097d3382599 01:29:43 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1344-g0798fd6: Let Darkness end in death! (gwarl) 10(58 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0798fd62e141 01:30:10 it's 01:30:10 uh 01:30:10 <|amethyst> or a bong 01:30:10 ok it could also be a bong I guess 01:30:10 <|amethyst> I vote for bong 01:30:10 i guess i'm with neil here 01:30:10 we're probably gonna see that as a new desolation enemy soon now... 01:30:10 idk 01:30:10 it sort of defies my ability to comprehend shape 01:30:26 barbed barbs... 01:30:32 is gwarl posting on SA? 01:30:36 discord! 01:30:39 Brannock: shit! 01:30:42 ah, you're there as well? 01:30:45 dong bong 01:30:57 secret tech ruined PleasingFungus 01:30:59 notcluie has been there (unfortunately) 01:31:23 wow 01:31:25 dong gong 01:31:26 GONNNNG! 01:31:26 long time no see, that guy 01:31:45 extremis or something like that, doing a fair amount of trolling "about the devs" 01:31:56 did he say "stupid remove" 01:32:03 !remove 01:32:03 that was onget, different person 01:32:04 03Brannock ⛐ 0.19-a0-1202-ge2c51ed: Remove 10(in the future, 45 files, 699+ 842-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2c51ed 01:32:17 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1345-g8f4636a: Remove barbed barbs (Brannock) 10(30 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8f4636a67a1d 01:33:39 wrong, all trolls who play crawl are the same person 01:33:42 ...spiked barbs, or barbed spikes? 01:33:43 constantly dropping anarchy symbosl 01:33:46 barbed barbs, how barbaric 01:33:53 that seems slightly odd 01:34:05 hrm 01:34:29 i guess i should choose one 01:34:35 spiked barbs, probably 01:34:52 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:11 dcss, diction edition 01:36:19 barb no longer looks like a word 01:36:22 <|amethyst> "spiked barb" sounds kind of weird 01:36:30 <|amethyst> compared to "barbed spike" 01:36:39 yeh 01:36:46 <|amethyst> like, is it a barb that's covered in little spikes? 01:36:47 PleasingFungus: you know you're in a really dark place when "semantic satiation" no longer look like words 01:36:49 spiked spine 01:36:51 <|amethyst> a barb ought to be enough 01:36:56 lmao 01:37:07 * geekosaur waiting on usb3 drive with all the backups on it... 01:37:09 <|amethyst> spiked-barbed spikes 01:37:15 nausea from oversatiation... 01:37:19 i don't even know anymore 01:37:32 A minotaur, a tengu, and a deep elf walk into a barb 01:38:21 i'm going to change it to be consistent, and then someone else can change it again i guess 01:38:21 you fire a foo, the foo is barbed. a barb is functionally intended to keep the foo embedded 01:38:21 so it should be a barbed spike? 01:38:21 yes 01:38:21