00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:06 oh wait, classical 00:00:09 CanOfWorms: i think i vaguely remember this 00:00:16 and yeah i mean 00:00:23 torus trooper wasn't even remotely roguelike 00:00:23 there's spelunky and nuclear throne and such 00:00:30 I think uh, that one game that you play as a shopkeeper is a real time roguelike? 00:00:31 which are roguelike-like-likes 00:00:34 unless by realtime you mean something like phantasia 00:00:37 pf: it's procedurally generated!!!! 00:00:42 oy vey 00:00:53 at a certain point you have to be able to say, this is an arcade game 00:01:05 'procedural generation' can't be the line 00:01:16 ontoclasm: does necrodancer count? 00:01:28 and recettear was the game I was thinking of 00:01:31 i guess necrodancer sort of counts, yeah 00:01:36 recettear was a cool game, but the combat was godawful 00:02:57 I was working on a randomly generated pacman, once 00:03:02 just play Nuclear Throne as chicken and go melee only 00:03:18 haven't done much other than write the generation for random dungeons 00:03:34 actually I might have uploaded a playable copy to tumblr 00:05:11 ontoclasm: do you dare play pacman??? http://errorfunction.tumblr.com/post/79618603553/pacmanclonerar 00:05:11 -!- Zekka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:43 recettear was a fun week of gameplay, but once you hit like 20-30 hours on it suddenly the illusion of "game" is stripped away and you see it for what it is 00:05:52 whoa 00:05:55 deep 00:06:00 other games generally hold up even once the veneer disappears but not recettear 00:06:06 PleasingFungus: i look forward to seeing your face when "not a VR game" is the definition of a roguelike 00:06:14 With Roguelike Elements 00:06:24 i apparently put 20 hours into recettear 00:06:30 got the basic ending and figured i was good 00:06:33 sounds like i made the right call! 00:06:54 the roguelike thread on SA got overrun with chatter about conquest of elysium 4 00:06:56 when you think about it, cookie clicker has procedurally geerated elements... 00:06:57 a fantasy 4x 00:07:05 I don't really have good terminology for the effect I'm describing. at a certain point you stop seeing the flavor/graphics/etc and just focus entirely on mechanics 00:07:07 it's a roguelike because: the maps are randomly generated 00:07:40 recettear all of a sudden went from a cute shop simulator to a finicky spreadsheet game 00:07:46 I put it down at that point 00:08:59 i feel like if you start playing a shop simulator 00:09:04 you already know it's a spreadsheet 00:09:11 sure, now I do 00:09:33 eagerly awaiting final fantasy 16, shop simulator edition 00:09:35 it's like you people have never really played candy box 00:09:42 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1320-g0178847 (34) 00:09:51 the final boss is a customer that wants to buy out your stock 00:11:15 CanOfWorms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91GSU9yfKDI 00:11:31 shouldn't the final boss be walmart? 00:12:13 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:16:42 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1321-g6754052: Tweak iron giants 10(55 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6754052ca58f 00:17:08 that's the second to final boss 00:17:08 it's the optional superboss. 00:17:08 @??iron giant 00:17:08 iron giant (10C) | Spd: 8 | HD: 22 | HP: 179-267 | AC/EV: 18/2 | Dam: 75 | 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown | XP: 3705 | Sp: iron shot (3d37), throw [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 00:17:08 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:17:08 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:17:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17:34 -!- greensnark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:17:35 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:29 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:41 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:14 hrm 00:23:26 I broke &{ and i'm not sure how to fix it 00:23:37 %git 0b1d89b9fc8e5515e8cc1cb30010990fa9037932 00:23:37 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1067-g0b1d89b: Improve &{ item detection 10(4 weeks ago, 3 files, 18+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0b1d89b9fc8e 00:23:43 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:24:02 !source detect_items 00:24:03 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/godpassive.h#L39 00:24:09 !source detect_items 2 00:24:09 2/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-goditem.cc#L500 00:24:13 people use &{? 00:24:17 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:24:21 I assumed it was only when accidentally detecting traps 00:24:55 uh 00:25:00 &{ is the 'map level' command 00:25:02 it's really good! 00:25:48 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:26:47 oh i thought it was detect items 00:27:18 rip Divinations 00:27:36 currently it's both! 00:28:22 but the items don't redraw until you load 00:28:39 detect_items() was doing something that update_item_at() ain't! 00:29:56 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1320-g0178847 (34) 00:31:42 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:59 holy shit 00:34:03 snails/slugs really do have a dart sac 00:34:39 saw some video about hermit crabs on reddit and went wikipedia traveling and I learn that dart slugs aren't actually as farfetched as I thought 00:35:17 every monster in crawl is real 00:35:28 each of the two snails (or slugs) attempts to "shoot" one (or more) darts into the other snail (or slug). There is no organ to receive the dart; this action is more analogous to a stabbing, or to being shot with an arrow or flechette. 00:35:30 ??dart slug 00:35:30 dart slug[1/1]: slow 'w' with a 2d4 damage ranged spell that spawns on D:1 00:35:40 !source monsters.txt 00:35:41 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/cs/monsters.txt 00:36:01 that is.. another language 00:36:32 czechoslovakian? 00:36:48 looks like czech 00:37:05 czechoslovakia has been gone for a while... 00:37:13 I figured from the s in 'c's 00:37:17 *'cs' 00:37:31 i like the choice of monsters 00:37:53 I wonder if that was written back when Dispater was some Greek lady 00:37:59 march 2014 00:38:01 probably not 00:38:09 https://translate.google.com/#cs/en/Vl%C3%A1dce%20%C5%BEelezn%C3%A9ho%20mesta%20Dis. 00:38:11 Oh, no, I mean Ereshkigal 00:38:12 (no) 00:38:14 oh 00:38:47 anyway it's really cool that dart slugs are actually based on something real 00:38:50 instead of "some slug, but it has a dart" 00:38:54 haha 00:38:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:36 i guess i'm sort of getting a niche as a gastropod guy 00:39:36 better than being a shrike guy, maybe! 00:39:36 oh I should have figured it was yours 00:39:36 there are worse niches 00:39:37 and better ones 00:39:57 name one better niche. 00:40:08 one day I'm gonna implement mountain goats (jumping, trample) and become the ungulate guy 00:40:14 awesome 00:41:23 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:24 The build passed. (master - 0178847 #6491 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/156412117 00:41:24 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:43:05 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:22 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:49:25 -!- VoxSomniator_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:50:03 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:51:12 jumping was a mistake 00:51:20 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:51:27 jumping spider jumping, not cat jumping :) 00:51:46 the mountain goat spits web at you 00:51:47 that's just blink closer 00:51:50 spider jumping was a mistake too 00:53:01 literally all forms of movement in crawl are a mistake 00:53:28 jumping spiders are funny. The way they wildly overshoot their target and end up behind three walls is funny 00:53:29 crawl... was a mistake 00:53:33 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:48 i really love the jumping spider description 00:53:51 dreams were a mistake 00:53:59 the way it tries way too hard to justify the natural blink effect 00:54:06 minmay: can you link me to the blue e on the bed picture 00:54:08 i need it for reasons 00:54:46 wow those literally are blink close and blink away 00:54:50 http://www.cowmuffins.net/stuff/crawl/duvessa_erotic_on_bed_hires.jpg 00:54:54 the in-game description doesn't even hide it 00:55:00 minmay: beautiful, tyvm 00:55:02 it's easy to type that url from memory 00:55:27 -!- Goblin1989 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:55:37 you're hired 00:56:27 but is it stuff/crawl, or crawl/stuff...!? 00:56:27 /stuff/ has a bunch of other stuff in it, so it's easy to remember 00:56:38 haha 00:56:41 that url was in learndb at one point 00:56:44 but then I couldn't find it 00:56:49 ??porn 00:56:50 porn[1/4]: You can't watch it on crawl. 00:56:54 not in that entry 00:57:07 oh hey, there's a screenshot of hive in there! 00:57:08 !learn add porn http://www.cowmuffins.net/stuff/crawl/duvessa_erotic_on_bed_hires.jpg 00:57:09 porn[5/5]: http://www.cowmuffins.net/stuff/crawl/duvessa_erotic_on_bed_hires.jpg 00:57:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 00:57:15 maybe hive could come back now there's melei 00:57:21 i was looking in ??duvessa 00:57:26 or maybe....hive could stay dead...forever 00:57:46 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:57:48 hive / anthill branch roulette 00:58:02 branch roulette is good 00:58:09 new portal: desolution of honey 00:58:13 *desolation 00:58:25 obviously that's level 2 00:58:31 level 3 is the desolation of, uh... 00:58:37 spice 00:58:38 salted caramel 00:58:45 desolation of basil 00:59:21 What if there's chunks specific to each species that they find delicious, and possibly get slightly more nutrition out of? Big fish, giant goldfish and rats for felids, hogs and sheep for humans, hound for orcs, kobold for nagas, human and elf for ogres, giant eyeballs and worms for tengu, etc. 00:59:24 ??fanart[duvessa 00:59:24 I don't have a page labeled fanart[duvessa in my learndb. 00:59:28 ??fanfiction[duvessa 00:59:29 fanfiction[4/11]: "Duvessa", by minmay (NSFW): http://www.cowmuffins.net/stuff/crawl/duvessa_erotic_on_bed_hires.jpg 00:59:49 !learn s porn[5 See fanfiction[4] 00:59:50 porn[5/5]: See fanfiction[4] 00:59:51 hrm 00:59:53 !learn del porn[1] 00:59:53 !learn del porn[1] 00:59:54 Deleted porn[1/5]: You can't watch it on crawl. 00:59:54 !learn del porn[1] 00:59:54 !learn del porn[1] 00:59:54 Deleted porn[1/4]: do {&watch porn} 00:59:54 !learn del porn[1] 00:59:54 Deleted porn[1/3]: NotKat: not true: You can get fucked by the game. 00:59:54 Deleted porn[1/2]: _You open the water nymph like a pillowcase!!! 00:59:55 Deleted porn[1/1]: See fanfiction[4] 01:00:01 rip 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:04 welp 01:00:05 you forgot that there are no big fish anymore! 01:00:11 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:12 ProzacElf: post is from three years ago 01:00:13 all those entries are terrible 01:00:16 still just as good as it was, imo 01:00:18 minmay: true! 01:00:19 lol 01:00:20 well 01:00:22 not true 01:00:30 since none of those entries exist 01:00:40 you can probably draw ascii porn on the crawl map if you try hard enough 01:01:03 hot new pornvaults to add to the game 01:01:16 piginabag did it, wasn't hard at all 01:01:22 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:02:04 yak_with_items: 01:02:04 (.)Y(.) 01:02:04 er 01:02:04 i think that was more profane messages to you than porn 01:02:04 (.Y.) 01:02:04 some of that is floor though 01:02:04 but then maybe he did ascii porn too 01:02:04 but yeah sure 01:02:06 he drew that untertale dog thing 01:02:10 which is like hipster porn 01:02:13 and of course, orc_yak_items: (oYo) 01:02:42 CanOfWorms: one could even be a dancing weapon 01:02:47 saucy 01:02:48 sadly no dancing ammo 01:03:35 I'm not going to draw "statue with lots of rings and a dragon", but you can imagine it 01:03:58 -!- Jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:04:20 ===D8 01:05:12 ogres with worm: OwO whats this? *nuzzles bulge in your pants* 01:05:38 -!- Shard1697_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1322-g9a70660: Fix &{ item rendering 10(22 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9a70660d6836 01:06:26 :( 01:06:26 pirate_vault: ('_U)? 01:07:21 PleasingFungus: cheibrodos bout to do salt 01:07:25 on cbro 01:07:26 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:07:32 !!! 01:07:48 Cheibrodos: robot manticore? 01:07:52 level 19 01:07:58 gammafunkrc colors 01:08:04 killed some peacekeepers 01:08:50 hrm 01:09:01 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:09:37 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1321-g6754052 (34) 01:20:03 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1322-g9a70660 (34) 01:34:32 -!- Nomi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:34:50 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:05 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:33 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1323-g19eb283: Go absolutely overboard on Desolation loot 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/19eb283ec44c 01:36:30 good commit name 01:36:41 ty 01:37:11 &watch cheibrodos 01:37:12 http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#watch-Cheibrodos 01:37:43 well i guess i'm 30 minutes late 01:38:29 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1324-gd8867a0: Change -Clouds to brown (gammafunk) 10(35 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d8867a069b2a 01:39:02 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:40:37 PleasingFungus, after reading that commit I realize now that artefact Desolation mirrors consumables Ossuary 01:40:45 Cloud to Brown extension 01:40:49 neat little parallel there 01:40:57 i thought sewer was consumables 01:41:03 i guess they both are 01:41:47 potions in sewers i guess makes sense? 01:41:51 scrolls for mummies obv 01:41:57 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:02 fr theme them more strongly in that direction 01:42:12 same with the other portal vaults 01:42:23 add a new portal vault, michelin star restaurant 01:42:31 e.g. volcanos have mostly weapons and ice caves mostly armor 01:42:39 featuring such classics as spriggan baker, ogre spriggan baker, and pizza orc/elf/human 01:42:48 pizza dervish... 01:43:11 crap, now I want to make a restaurant themed volcano vault... 01:43:25 bunch of fireball slinging cooks 01:43:29 haha 01:43:37 make a subvault for that one that's a big building in the middle of a lava lake 01:43:44 that one was supposed to be subvaulted but never was 01:44:33 spriggan warper, extra crispy 01:44:33 the one with the lindwurms? 01:44:33 hurry and find the portal before your reservation runs out! 01:44:41 You hear the slow closing of a parking garage door 01:45:28 oh, actually it might work for a sprint 01:45:34 spicy pizzeria 01:45:38 oh man, these old crawl threads are something else 01:45:39 "Personally I think nausea is reasonably interesting though" 01:45:44 you start with a manual of tmut and a book with hydra form 01:45:45 -- elliptic 01:45:57 (2012) 01:46:01 and the sticky flame spell 01:46:07 lol 01:46:17 the italian chef sprint 01:47:01 boulder beetle, sticky flame, lava pool 01:47:05 now that's a spicy meatball 01:47:10 * geekosaur suddenly imagines iron chef as a sprint 01:47:51 burgertime sprint 01:48:00 re: portal theme, please remove the rf+ and rc+ egos from volcanos/ice caves -- or maybe swap them 01:48:18 nothing worse than getting through an ice cave and finding a +0 rc+ animal skin. thanks crawl 01:48:31 well that's not quite right, those portals giving you that 01:48:36 lets you survive all of them easier 01:48:44 usually they're pretty far toward the end 01:48:46 you could mix it up, certainly 01:48:52 usually, but not always 01:49:04 I've quite often gotten rf first time from a volcano 01:49:24 a mix could be nice though, I guess 01:50:09 ice cave seems less likely to give you rC in a place where it would be useful for the ice cave though 01:50:09 no they do sometimes 01:50:09 remember cloud generators 01:50:09 and for the final fight at the end 01:50:15 those longer ones have gear at midpoints 01:50:29 winning the ice cave without rC proves the rC was in your heart all along, and the item just commemorates the event 01:51:03 ok yes 01:51:05 lol 01:51:11 huh, this is original: food reform thread that suggested allowing the player to grow a garden 01:51:15 mixing elemental egos could be fun, I guess, would be curious to hear from others who don't die every time they enter a portal, like chequers does 01:51:22 Gardening is an active and optional interaction and it would make the game more interesting for the players who chose to do it. Players who hated carving chunks could just farm all their food somewhere. Since fruit is faster to eat anyway, this would be a strategic decision as well. 01:51:38 dungeon crawl: harvest moon 01:51:42 -A gathering/survival skill that lets you make jerky and/or get more nutrition from regular food. Even if no other change was made, this would be a positive addition and add fun to the game. 01:51:47 i think rC loot in ice caves is fine. as gammafunk says it often does come before the end. and when it doesn't, it's like...i can win an ice cave without rC+, but playing carefully. and when i do, it's nice to be like "sweet, some rC+ gear so i don't have to be so careful all game" 01:52:10 imo the big stand-out, really distinctive ice cave loot is aux armour with rc 01:52:20 ya, gloves of rC 01:52:23 hey! my portal success is well over 10% 01:52:40 -!- Rjs has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:52:42 !lg . icecv x=sdam,mhp 01:52:43 3. [sdam=23;mhp=104] yollama the Basher (L11 DrCK of Xom), slain by a polar bear in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_01) on 2016-03-13 13:12:50, with 13650 points after 12568 turns and 1:12:02. 01:52:52 oh hm, i don't remember that one 01:53:05 !lg . icecv x=sdam,mhp -2 01:53:06 2/3. [sdam=112;mhp=104] amalloy the Destroyer (L15 OpWz of The Shining One), mangled by a golden dragon simulacrum in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_03) on 2015-05-15 19:51:35, with 89636 points after 52611 turns and 6:31:43. 01:53:06 -!- Finwe has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:53:20 wouldn't have minded some rC+ rings that time 01:53:21 !lg . icecv max=sdam x=sdam,mhp 01:53:22 5. [sdam=21;mhp=97] gammafunk the Severer (L11 MiBe of Trog), mangled by a freezing wraith in IceCv (ice_cave_small_necro) on 2015-05-08 22:19:37, with 10607 points after 4383 turns and 0:31:39. 01:53:30 screw those blue W 01:53:42 !lg . icecv max=sdam x=sdam,mhp 01:53:43 8. [sdam=112;mhp=147] Brannock the Pyromancer (L18 DrFE of Ashenzari), demolished by an Ice Fiend in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_01) on 2014-10-25 01:55:20, with 210594 points after 55231 turns and 3:28:48. 01:53:47 :( 01:53:52 !portalsuccess 01:54:05 Portal success rate for chequers. icecv: N=83/99 (83.84%), volcano: N=54/56 (96.43%), lab: N=87/93 (93.55%), bailey: N=58/78 (74.36%), sewer: N=142/155 (91.61%), ossuary: N=103/112 (91.96%), wizlab: N=17/18 (94.44%) 01:54:12 oh good command 01:54:12 nerf bailey imo 01:54:14 112 damage in one turn by an ice fiend is pretty nuts 01:54:21 !portalsuccess . !gfspeed 01:54:41 Portal success rate for !gfspeed. icecv: N=53/55 (96.36%), volcano: N=39/40 (97.50%), lab: N=66/68 (97.06%), bailey: N=38/41 (92.68%), sewer: N=51/56 (91.07%), ossuary: N=43/44 (97.73%), wizlab: N=24/24 (100.00%) 01:54:51 !portalsuccess 01:54:51 !portalsuccess 01:54:56 poor sequell 01:54:58 all these queries 01:55:09 Portal success rate for Brannock. icecv: N=98/106 (92.45%), volcano: N=53/53 (100.00%), lab: N=72/75 (96.00%), bailey: N=42/45 (93.33%), sewer: N=89/94 (94.68%), ossuary: N=57/60 (95.00%), wizlab: N=38/38 (100.00%) 01:55:09 portalsuccess is two queries per portal i think 01:55:46 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1324-gd8867a0 01:55:46 Portal success rate for amalloy. icecv: N=58/61 (95.08%), volcano: N=38/41 (92.68%), lab: N=53/54 (98.15%), bailey: N=32/33 (96.97%), sewer: N=46/48 (95.83%), ossuary: N=45/45 (100.00%), wizlab: N=23/23 (100.00%) 01:55:46 haha, how is portalsuccess defined? 01:55:46 just making it out alive? 01:55:46 I guess 'success' also includes 'leaves early' 01:55:46 right 01:55:46 enter but do not die 01:55:46 yeah, because i always haul ass from baileys 01:55:51 unless it's like one of the two i know i can handle 01:56:01 three i guess 01:56:07 someone should add Salt to !portalsuccess... 01:56:10 nerf volcano 01:56:12 and the stats are not super useful because if you're weak you just don't enter the portal 01:56:31 how does that make them not useful? 01:56:35 !cmd !portalsuccess 01:56:35 Command: !portalsuccess => .echo Portal success rate for $(name_fixup $*). $(join ", " (map (fn (x) (!lm ${*:-.} !alive br.enter=$x / lg:place!=$x title:"$x" pfmt:"${.}${%}" )) (list icecv volcano lab bailey sewer ossuary wizlab))) 01:56:36 chequers: i have literally never seen a player say "hm, a portal on this floor, but i probly can't survive it so i won't even go look" 01:56:43 well, i'm often dumb enough to enter lab and volcano before i should 01:56:57 I've done it a few times but extremely rarely compared to how often I go in and look 01:57:06 although volcanoes seem to have one of the swingier difficulty levels 01:57:12 -!- mibert has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:16 i go in and look, since it's generally possible to escape easily if you don't like what you see 01:57:23 amalloy: well, weaker characters might not get there in time 01:57:28 feh 01:57:36 but yes 01:57:42 but yeah, i get what you're saying 01:57:50 !cmd !portalsuccess .echo Portal success rate for $(name_fixup $*). $(join ", " (map (fn (x) (!lm ${*:-.} !alive br.enter=$x / lg:place!=$x title:"$x" pfmt:"${.}${%}" )) (list icecv volcano lab bailey sewer ossuary wizlab desolation))) 01:57:50 Redefined command: !portalsuccess => .echo Portal success rate for $(name_fixup $*). $(join ", " (map (fn (x) (!lm ${*:-.} !alive br.enter=$x / lg:place!=$x title:"$x" pfmt:"${.}${%}" )) (list icecv volcano lab bailey sewer ossuary wizlab desolation))) 01:57:53 probably need a milestone that defines 'beating' a portal to get useful data 01:58:13 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:58:15 !lm * current trunk br.enter=desolation 01:58:16 209. [2016-08-31 05:08:11] Cheibrodos the Fighter (L19 MuSk of Ashenzari) entered the Desolation of Salt on turn 39001. (Vaults:4) 01:58:20 !lg * current trunk salt 01:58:23 38. cerulescent the Black Belt (L17 NaMo of Okawaru), slain by a saltling in Desolation (desolation_of_salt) on 2016-08-31 04:33:34, with 133666 points after 42200 turns and 5:13:11. 01:58:31 18%, not bad 01:58:38 !lg * current trunk salt x=avg(xl) 01:58:43 38 games for * (current trunk salt): avg(xl)=16.68 01:58:45 !lm * current trunk br.enter=desolation x=avg(xl) 01:58:46 209 milestones for * (current trunk br.enter=desolation): avg(xl)=17.8 01:58:47 wow 01:58:52 that seems low 01:58:56 well the aim of portal difficulty is killing the player, in the end 01:59:10 i think i was like 20 or 21 when i entered salt 01:59:15 !portalsuccess * thisyear 01:59:17 and it was still p tough 01:59:38 * geekosaur has certainly decided to skip ice caves/volcanoes/baileys 01:59:43 although i was spen, so i had like 43 hp and my hexes were useles against half those dudes 01:59:47 it would be maybe nice to see when portal is generated even if they don't enter it though, wrt milestones, but there's a lot of things we'd like to see 01:59:47 rip chequers's query 01:59:47 Portal success rate for * thisyear. icecv: N=29458/34194 (86.15%), volcano: N=17235/18368 (93.83%), lab: N=26477/28207 (93.87%), bailey: N=17369/21500 (80.79%), sewer: N=52477/57536 (91.21%), ossuary: N=41631/46320 (89.88%), wizlab: N=6126/6363 (96.28%), desolation: N=128/166 (77.11%) 01:59:57 lol jk Sequell OP 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:07 gammafunk: that would be cool, and not that hard to implement 02:00:28 wow that hurts. i am actually worse at volcano than the average player 02:00:29 yeah it's tough for hexers for sure. i tried to make mr not too bad for the living enemies and to give plenty of non-sinv monsters 02:00:36 but i guess invisibility isn't that common for hexers these days 02:01:23 !portalsuccess . recentish 02:01:23 invis helped 02:01:23 probably also bad for necromancers 02:01:23 so I guess icecv and bailey are the standout portals 02:01:23 Portal success rate for recentish. icecv: N=47/49 (95.92%), volcano: N=30/33 (90.91%), lab: N=45/45 (100.00%), bailey: N=24/25 (96.00%), sewer: N=30/31 (96.77%), ossuary: N=28/28 (100.00%), wizlab: N=18/18 (100.00%), No milestones for amalloy (recentish !alive br.enter=desolation). 02:01:23 but the hierophants seemed like the only guys i could consistently confuse 02:01:23 chequers: yeah I was more taking exception with your idea activity in the portal is "less meaningful" if you don't "get to the end" 02:01:23 *idea that 02:01:31 heh 02:01:34 not so much less meaningful 02:01:41 "Gods have lots of ways of yielding piety, for example -- and I have a hard time imaging another "piety for kills" god making it in to Crawl, because that idea is kinda boring." -- july 2012 02:01:43 just that i feel like I turn back in icecv more than other portals 02:01:57 that's probably a good thing 02:02:08 it would be interesting to see what the danger rate vs reward rate for portals are 02:02:11 bailey and some wizlabs are definitely the ones i run away from most 02:02:14 i think ice cave kills me more than other portals because of operator stupidity 02:02:15 i'm still mad about the time i dropped my entire potion stack inside an ice cave 02:02:18 yeah, I mean you want portals to have a variety of strategic tendancies, right? 02:02:19 right before the removal of item destruction 02:02:23 haha 02:02:36 if too many portals never get "completed" I agree it'd be a problem 02:02:53 but the player trying a bit and going "I give up, too hard" is absolutely a thing that should happen 02:02:58 wrt portals 02:03:18 agree! I'm just interested in how those decisions play out, especially because they impact the "portal success" numbers above, invisibly 02:03:19 and I don't mean always happen, but it should happen for some levels/portals in any given game 02:03:56 a milestone for "saw the special mcguffin at the end of the portal", maybe 02:04:03 that was my thought as well 02:04:03 kind of like br.end, I guess 02:04:06 portal tokens! 02:04:14 you'd have to manually edit it into many of these vaults though 02:04:19 they can go on the orbs of power page 02:04:25 "picked up the loot" is really what is interesting, but hard to measure. Maybe track the number who exit through a non-entry door 02:04:29 ok, we're not implementing Final Fantasy 02:04:35 redeem X tokens for another orb of power 02:04:36 those would be crystals 02:04:37 some portals don't *have* a non-entry door 02:04:38 which is also inaccurate for lots of layouts 02:04:39 you pick up the orb of fire 02:04:41 PleasingFungus: FF1 02:04:44 ouch, that really hurt 02:04:46 spicy! 02:04:50 bbl 02:04:51 but they were Orbs of something else 02:04:54 light? 02:05:03 well, you were the light warriors 02:05:08