00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:48 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:04 -!- tupper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:05:40 -!- owl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:05:53 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:06:06 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1225-gf887c1c (34) 00:06:52 -!- jooles has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:10:48 !seen reaverb 00:10:49 I last saw reaverb at Fri May 13 07:32:44 2016 UTC (14w 5d 20h 38m 4s ago) quitting, saying 'Client Quit'. 00:16:03 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:43 note: gozag bribe seems to suck hard in thunderdome sprint 00:19:55 "You lost your score multiplier. 00:19:55 " 00:21:45 Dissolution stares, then turns away, jangling a coin purse. 00:21:51 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:22:26 lmao 00:22:58 thunderdome has been about an inch away from being removed for the last couple of versions 00:23:00 the sprints are all barely supported, but thunderdome is the bareliest supported 00:24:19 the sprionts are fun as hell 00:24:46 not arguing that either way 00:25:11 ps thanks for fixing gozag gold income in sprint 00:25:17 np 00:25:19 was ez 00:25:21 its a little too good in thunderdome btw 00:25:31 gold distraction? 00:25:37 since that one has so many preplaced shops and relies on you getting fixed income 00:25:49 o 00:25:55 well, not fixed, the better the streak the more gold you get 00:25:58 heh 00:26:10 or you can just kill dudes and swim in gold 00:26:13 like i said, fun 00:26:21 should maybe disable gozag for it, if it breaks the sprint that badly 00:26:27 theres probably some middle ground 00:26:28 or, make thunderdome use gems instead of gold 00:26:56 its not entirely broken. just means you get stuff faster than you would otherwise 00:27:13 eventually you would buy the best items anyway 00:27:34 its not worse than chain slouch or chain disaster area 00:28:20 :) 00:30:09 heh, i have never beaten a sprint 00:30:21 although i feel some OCD compulsion to try to do them in order too 00:30:29 on the rare occasion that i play them at all 00:30:49 i got the orb in linesprint once! 00:30:50 a couple of them are pretty easy 00:31:11 many gods utterly destroy zigsprint 00:31:27 and meatsprint is simple and quick once you get it down 00:32:11 the first sprint is actually fairly challenging 00:32:13 heh, yeah, i've been told that sprint I is actually one of the hardest 00:32:28 and i've seen people do meatsprint just for high score 00:32:44 lol 00:32:46 IE: formicid and big killhole till you starve to deth 00:32:47 death 00:32:50 yeah 00:33:05 for actually getting the orb you do a much different strat 00:33:11 lol 00:33:12 i'm sure 00:33:42 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:42 but what is the orb next to a high score? 00:34:06 -!- read has left ##crawl-dev 00:35:13 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:35:40 ProzacElf, any race can do zigsprint with qaz 00:36:01 assuming you're able to beat the first 6 rooms or whatever, you can spam disaster area the rest of the way 00:37:45 -!- eb has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:03 heh 00:51:17 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:30 FOOD the slayer 00:52:30 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:57 subtle dev priorities revealed 00:53:20 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:29 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:56:46 -!- Nomi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:58:48 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:59:32 i think... 00:59:45 in thundersome you aren't supposed to keep playing after you trigger the orb run 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:43 // Heavy items require more power to apport directly to your feet. They might end up just moving a few squares, depending on spell power and item mass. <- good comment 01:01:48 Rast: ? 01:02:03 i think after you get the first 5 runes and the orb appears 01:02:10 you are supposed to either pick it up and win 01:02:16 or sit around and get more waves and more runes 01:02:36 i picked it up and stayed and now im getting both more waves and the orb run spawns 01:03:00 its ok i guess 01:03:12 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:03:39 haha 01:05:10 smiet-tacular 01:08:41 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:15:50 -!- scotchmint has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:34 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:20:10 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:16 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:24:40 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest71327 01:25:13 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:25:34 -!- scorchgeek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:28:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:29:42 -!- Sky_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:29:49 -!- Guest71327 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:32:52 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:33:12 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:24 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 01:43:33 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 01:43:33 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:46:31 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:47:45 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:57:28 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:00:08 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:50 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:04 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:04:16 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:11:38 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:11:57 -!- Ipsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:16:44 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:23:50 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30:31 !lg * recentish elf:3 x=avg(ac) 02:30:32 3939 games for * (recentish elf:3): avg(ac)=25.44 02:30:34 -!- scorchgeek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:30:36 !lg * recentish elf:3 x=avg(ac) be 02:30:37 659 games for * (recentish elf:3 be): avg(ac)=28.32 02:30:41 !lg * recentish elf:3 x=avg(ev) be 02:30:41 659 games for * (recentish elf:3 be): avg(ev)=15.93 02:30:44 huh 02:30:46 shit defenses 02:30:49 no wonder they died 02:33:12 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:36:07 !lm * recentish elf:3 won x=avg(ac+ev) 02:36:29 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:36:43 26357 milestones for * (recentish elf:3 won): avg(ac+ev)=47.32 02:36:50 !lm * recentish elf:3 !won x=avg(ac+ev) 02:36:52 38920 milestones for * (recentish elf:3 !won): avg(ac+ev)=43.42 02:39:36 -!- MaBunny is now known as ByteStorm 02:45:49 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:51:57 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:05 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:02:29 -!- ByteStorm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:32 03PleasingFungus02 07[desolation] * 0.19-a0-1238-gdc939ce: Merge branch 'master' into desolation 10(39 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dc939cedd1e5 03:07:32 03PleasingFungus02 07[desolation] * 0.19-a0-1239-gcd4e89d: Turn Endless Salt into a proper feature 10(33 seconds ago, 6 files, 23+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cd4e89d384e2 03:07:51 hm 03:07:51 chequers: playtest report: desolation seems generally pretty fun. the clouds work better than i expected 03:07:54 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:17 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest427 03:10:54 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:12:04 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1225-gf887c1c (34) 03:13:16 PleasingFungus: if you could put an entry on d:1 along with some !xp / equipment that would make testing on CPO super easy 03:13:29 reasonable 03:13:38 PleasingFungus: I can compile with wizmode, but a) nobody can use wizmode b) it's disabled more generally for a reason 03:13:40 going to sleep, but i'll poke at it tomorrow probably 03:13:42 ya 03:13:47 kewl 03:13:51 i played it locally too btw :) 03:13:59 any thoughts? 03:14:18 not yet beyond that it's excitingly different 03:14:22 heh 03:14:33 the myrmidons might be excessively rude 03:14:38 haven't seen the warlocks do their thing yet really 03:15:13 i really like resonance strike as an idea 03:15:33 especially if saltlings would count as constructs :) 03:15:36 i mean 03:15:38 they are 03:15:44 oh! 03:15:54 lil baby golems 03:16:03 i thought only the hierophants were 03:16:12 hm 03:16:16 maybe i need to rework descriptions 03:16:36 a complete list of constructs in desolation: saltlings, peacekeepers, dancing weapons, crystal guardians 03:17:13 hierophants are alive and reasonably well 03:17:15 all things considered 03:17:19 :) 03:17:30 if anyone else is confused, i'll rewrite stuff 03:17:54 i'm a little worried about saltlings in particular, since iirc someone else was confused about them, but it might've been l*ghtli 03:18:06 and he hasn't played the branch or anything 03:18:10 their description doesn't explicitly mention the word "construct" 03:18:11 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:18:13 so I just assumed 03:18:36 Hence, these rather brittle, awkward golems. 03:18:40 can always replace 'golem' with 'construct' i guess 03:19:12 maybe all relevant creatures should get a "It is an artificial construct." line 03:19:18 i mean, not that anyone reads x-v 03:19:44 the problem with tagging things on monster holiness is that we apparently have a policy against showing monster holiness 03:19:53 only shows up on xv in wizmode 03:20:10 TIL construct is a holiness 03:20:18 i assumed it was like 'cold blooded' 03:20:19 i'm using 'nonliving' to mean construct 03:20:31 ah. hence the existing creatures counting too 03:20:37 which technically means that abyss monsters would also count 03:20:41 yeah 03:20:48 there was an is_artificial bool 03:20:51 but mpa removed it two weeks ago 03:21:09 probably for the best 03:21:12 imo it would be nice to have it like cold blooded so it's visible to players (..is cold blooded visible?) 03:21:57 (eys) 03:22:25 sportsball time 03:23:19 hf! 03:23:20 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:23:26 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.1/20160817112116]] 03:23:30 !source describe.cc#l3300 03:23:30 Can't find describe.cc#l3300. 03:23:35 !source describe.cc:3300 03:23:36 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc#L3300 03:23:58 crawlcode knows the right answer 03:24:13 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:14 The build was broken. (desolation - cd4e89d #6417 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/154959056 03:24:15 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 03:25:00 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:36 after having experienced ignite poison + toxic radiance, I feel like adding ignite poison to the VM starting spellbook would definitely not be overpowered 03:29:28 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 03:29:50 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:34:43 what about summon poison gecko 03:34:51 summon poison gnoll 03:36:09 summon scorpions 03:36:41 ??ignite poison 03:36:41 ignite poison[1/2]: Damages poisoned (but not merely poisonous) creatures (excluding you) and turns meph/poison clouds into flame. L3 Fire/Tmut/Poison. 03:37:01 L3...I got it: summon poison megabat 03:37:33 venombat 03:37:50 !lg * recentish xl=3 vm s=ckiller% 03:37:52 3901 games for * (recentish xl=3 vm): 890x an adder (22.81%), 382x a gnoll (9.79%), 273x a worm (7.00%), 182x Sigmund (4.67%), 153x a goblin (3.92%), 141x a jackal (3.61%), 137x a hobgoblin (3.51%), 117x a kobold (3.00%), 109x quitting (2.79%), 109x Natasha (2.79%), 98x Terence (2.51%), 93x an orc wizard (2.38%), 91x an orc (2.33%), 83x a player ghost (2.13%), 83x an orc priest (2.13%), 79x Crazy ... 03:38:14 poison worm would be cool but slow allies no thx 03:38:26 !lg * recentish xl=3 vm s=ckiller% ckiller!=uniq 03:38:27 3207 games for * (recentish xl=3 vm ckiller!=uniq): 890x an adder (27.75%), 382x a gnoll (11.91%), 273x a worm (8.51%), 153x a goblin (4.77%), 141x a jackal (4.40%), 137x a hobgoblin (4.27%), 117x a kobold (3.65%), 109x quitting (3.40%), 93x an orc wizard (2.90%), 91x an orc (2.84%), 83x an orc priest (2.59%), 83x a player ghost (2.59%), 61x a quokka (1.90%), 59x a giant gecko (1.84%), 55x an ooze... 03:38:35 of course, that's it 03:38:41 poison slime 03:38:45 we don't even have one of those! 03:40:06 -!- tupper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:45:31 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:45:57 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:26 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:48:22 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 03:50:11 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:51:13 -!- tiltorax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:54:16 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:33 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:03:50 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 04:07:02 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 04:08:06 -!- tupper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:08:47 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:10:40 -!- Zekka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:12:01 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 04:27:45 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 04:31:11 -!- Grammus has quit [] 04:32:23 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:35:44 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 04:36:21 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:38:04 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:49:27 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:53:17 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:11:41 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Antaeus is recalled. 14:42:47 thanks linesprint 14:44:15 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:45:20 nice 14:45:20 convokers probably should not be in sprint 14:45:54 -!- Amnesiac_ is now known as Amnesiac 14:47:41 I had that happen but with Lom Lobon once 14:47:47 I thought they'd been removed; this is certainly not the first time it's happened 14:47:57 The amazing thing was I actually managed to kill him 14:47:58 that, or recall should be limited to los 14:48:09 wouldn't that cripple convokers? 14:48:13 yes 14:48:19 might have been a different sprint that they were removed from 14:48:23 so would removing them :) 14:48:23 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:26 i think the last report was from sprint 1 or something 14:48:50 -!- Rast has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 14:49:08 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:10 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:54 -!- Kenran has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:39 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:54:52 i think they were removed from linesprint and added back again because they're great there 14:55:34 because they summon antaeus? 14:56:06 i wonder if teleport other works in sprint 14:56:06 as a player spell 14:56:13 i think so, not certain though 14:57:09 looking through the commit history I can't find a commit involving convokers and sprint 14:57:10 i don't think there's any handling for it to be marked as useless, so probably either it works or isn't correctly indicated as not working 14:57:29 nice 14:58:18 !bug 7798 14:58:18 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7798 14:58:35 nice comments 14:59:49 mmm 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:13 also found in 2013 -dev logs: 15:28:19 almost as good as watching people die to linesprint convokers 15:00:35 (the thing it is almost as good is watching people die to linesprint orb run) 15:00:45 it works 15:02:40 tele other in sprints that is 15:11:36 -!- onmyo has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:14:00 !hs . linesprint 15:14:01 14. PleasingFungus the Meteorologist (L20 DjAE of Vehumet), blasted by an Ice Fiend (bolt of cold) (summoned by Gryhutt) in Sprint (Sprint IX: "|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||") on 2013-12-15 05:50:10, with 362149 points after 20614 turns and 1:41:36. 15:14:05 :( 15:14:21 -!- docnvk has quit [Excess Flood] 15:14:24 MarvinPA: i'm vaguely thinking about just dumping desolation into trunk, rather than trying to do an experimental branch 15:14:54 because testing a portal vault like this on its own is a real pain - chequers was suggesting, like, setting up a guaranteed d:1 vault with a bunch of !xp and equipment? 15:15:44 hmm yeah, i think if you need to do things like that it's probably not a great plan as an experimental branch 15:15:50 works better for gods/species probably 15:15:55 yeah 15:15:59 and even for gods it' 15:16:05 s a little bit of a pain 15:16:30 i'll poke at things a little more and then merge it in, i guess 15:16:56 i haven't looked at it closely, how heavily randomised is it? or is it a single fixed layout? 15:16:56 see if i can get some good player kills 15:17:04 it's pretty heavily subvaulted 15:17:06 desolationsprint 15:17:42 the intent was to roughly simulate a layout, since i don't know how to make layouts 15:17:44 is there a design doc anywhere about it? 15:17:45 but i do know how to make vaults! 15:18:05 wheals: i have the original plans in the infamous TODO... 15:18:38 wheals: http://pastebin.com/UyEuR7r0 15:19:22 MarvinPA: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/desolation/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/desolation.des#L433 15:20:55 it seems like it maybe ought to be rarer than other portal vaults still, if it's roughly one map (with a bunch of randomisation), rather than multiple substantially different maps 15:21:28 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:22:02 seems like it should be more common for testing :) 15:22:16 not sure how to adjust rarity in any case - that e.chance() call in the setup function? 15:24:11 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:24:11 probably, yeah 15:25:24 03PleasingFungus02 07[desolation] * 0.19-a0-1241-gd0f37b2: Switch out Desolation rock tiles 10(27 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d0f37b2aaf92 15:28:03 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:30:00 i'll run mapstat and see how often it places 15:31:31 03PleasingFungus02 07[desolation] * 0.19-a0-1242-gb28e600: Fix a glyph overlap (with entropy weavers) 10(19 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b28e60002142 15:39:17 from looking at the commits, i'd tend towards saying that the cloud thing should just work on qazlal clouds 15:40:23 any particular reasoning? 15:40:46 also it's looking like the entrances currently place ~55% of the time, though that's with four lair branches - i'm rerunning it with two 15:41:24 just for simplicity 15:41:43 tornado feels like an okay exception since they're not so much real clouds 15:41:52 as just an indicator of where the tornado is 15:42:38 tornado is weird 15:42:53 also true! 15:44:14 entrances place 51% of the time with two lair branches 15:44:21 also would agree with the commit comment that the shield thing looks like it does a pretty similar job to injury bond 15:45:33 yeah, i might end up swapping that ability out in some way just so that i don't have to add more tile icons 15:45:38 for the shielded/shielding effects 15:46:27 at the very least, some kind of healing effect would be simpler 15:46:35 as far as the new mechanics go "+ac" is probably the least interesting (and the other new ability on that monster is also probably the most complicated?) 15:46:52 still winds is by far the most complicated in terms of code impact 15:46:58 but that's not quite the same :P 15:47:27 control winds just wouldn't stay dead... 15:47:36 ha ha ha ha ha 15:48:01 bring back control winds!!! 15:48:01 how did you come up with the name "halazid"? 15:48:02 i looked up the greek word for "salt" and then added a suffix that sounded cool 15:48:04 although "no clouds" is simpler than "move clouds around weirdly" at least! 15:48:22 -!- Cacophony has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48:39 scroll around that commit and check out the number of things i had to mark useless/disable while still winds is active 15:48:56 i'm sure i missed something, too 15:49:06 oh, now that i think about it, dith damage clouds 15:49:12 i like the ink special case 15:49:22 i guess that'd be marked suppressed 15:49:26 imo remove ink 15:49:27 you never know when a kraken will show up 15:49:38 -!- OrphineM has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:49:44 what if you banished one of these guys, and then ran into it in the kraken abyss rune vault 15:49:59 very good point 15:50:02 :P 15:50:11 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:50:38 also in principle these enemies are supposed to be usable outside the branch, since at least limited crossover between branch populations is a crawl standby 15:50:51 that was something r-i pushed me toward 15:51:20 03PleasingFungus02 07[desolation] * 0.19-a0-1243-ge8bd766: Suppress Qaz clouds under still winds 10(18 seconds ago, 4 files, 7+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e8bd766d3c99 15:51:40 some of them seem fairly focused on being around each other 15:52:09 there are a lot of 'support' monsters, but they either trigger off all monsters or all nonliving monsters, which is relatively generic 15:52:38 you could in principle use them with e.g. gargoyles, or even abyss monsters (though that'd be pretty weird) 15:52:39 i guess just the nth new version battlecry and golemsmite 15:52:47 version of* 15:52:56 battlecry is a problem and i am a battlecry enabler 15:53:14 what if: there was one version of battlecry 15:53:18 and it affected: all monsters 15:53:28 warlords buffing each-other??? pandemonium!!! 15:53:43 would be a good beogh buff to make up for my rude beogh nerf 15:53:48 wow, does it only work on weaker monsters currently 15:53:51 yes 15:53:53 lower hd 15:53:57 nice 15:54:01 which means that actually, under beogh, knights and warlords *can* sometimes buff each other 15:54:05 well even just that as the only restriction would be an improvement 15:54:08 since they can invisibly have higher or lower hd 15:54:15 although yes, that's bad and bad 15:54:15 the problem with that was cherubs 15:54:30 since every other holy monster has higher hd than cherubs 15:54:36 except swine and maybe apis? 15:55:08 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:33 my feeling is: don't restrict by HD, maybe do restrict by same-holiness 15:58:22 -!- Cacophony has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59:12 pros for restricting by holiness: maybe helps with 'feel' (e.g. satyrs not battlecrying water elementals, orcs not battlecrying demons/zombies). cons: more complex, not necessarily easily explained 15:59:56 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:17 so i guess probably no restrictions, which just makes it 'mass might other'. which is fine, really 16:02:39 what about restricting by genus or something? 16:03:01 my vague feeling is that it's too narrow 16:03:04 I'll see my design goals realized in my implementation of "insane blitz", castable by evil intelligent monsters and capable of mighting only demons 16:03:05 hm 16:03:27 i guess holies are all mons_angel 16:03:28 it seems to mostly work, except for satyrs. we want orcs to buff orcs, cherubs to buff angelic things 16:03:29 genus 16:03:37 but right now satyrs buff merfolk, right 16:03:39 we can just change satyrs to genus faun 16:03:44 hrm, do they? 16:03:47 i dunno 16:03:49 kind of surprised no spell with the word "blitz" has been implemented, although maybe I've missed it 16:04:02 looks like it 16:04:06 gammafunk: it's too exciting a word 16:04:12 sounds final fantasy 16:05:21 hm, but figuring out what's in the 'golem' genus could be a little surprising 16:05:21 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:05:25 genuses, like holinesses, aren't super clear 16:05:38 there's a golem with battlecry? 16:05:56 anything is possible... in the Desolation of Salt... 16:06:10 %git d8251443a8db6e4443d027a602c12c0112348dcb 16:06:10 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1218-gd825144: Desolation monster: Peacekeeper 10(4 days ago, 7 files, 47+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d8251443a8db 16:06:26 imo don't base design decisions on crackpot branches maintained by a maverick 16:06:28 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:33 brutal 16:07:23 anyway, i think it's equally weird with holies 16:07:26 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:03 most holies are genus angel, some aren't 16:08:03 genus could almost work with some tweaks, but if people want it to apply to 'golems'....maybe golems could be a genus? 16:08:05 apis being the most obvious example 16:08:08 gammafunk: they are 16:08:18 large genus, actually 16:08:29 right, but the thing mighting them wouldn't be a golem, would it 16:08:34 it would be 16:08:36 oh 16:08:47 + 10, MONS_GOLEM, MONS_PEACEKEEPER, MH_NONLIVING, MAG_IMMUNE, 16:09:46 might we need to make a genus containing angels, daevas, cherubs, seraph? 16:09:58 PF claims there already is one 16:10:01 mons_angel 16:10:09 oh indeed 16:10:12 I misread the field 16:10:34 i think genus works pretty well cause like, merfolk just don't understand satyrical music 16:10:49 wow, racist 16:11:27 (so mf are americans?) 16:11:34 rip 16:12:01 i'm not super fond of genus, but we could give it a shot 16:12:06 wouldn't be worse than the current situation 16:12:47 one issue with switching to genus is that knights will buff warlords now, right? mighted warlords are no joke 16:12:57 -!- Prozacelf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:28 i mean, the alternative suggestions were (a) restrict by holiness and (b) no restrictions 16:14:05 mighting warlords is rude but restricting by HD breaks cherubs, causes confusing results with beoghite armies of invisibly mixed hd, and just isn't very good 16:15:24 yeah i don't think that's necessarily a showstopper issue with genus 16:18:52 i'm gonna go grab a late lunch, but please send praise, flattery, and suggestions about what simpler defensive/healing ability I should replace hierophants's ( efb6f7add28d321 ) Song of Shielding with 16:18:52 :) 16:18:52 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.1/20160817112116]] 16:25:10 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:25:53 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:29:43 -!- MadCoyote is now known as FunkyBomb 16:36:06 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:37:47 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:39:32 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:31 -!- frd has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:42:44 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 16:43:36 i think no restrictions is fine, maybe shorten duration or something 16:43:58 !tell pleasingfungus "injury bond"! 16:43:59 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 16:44:51 -!- Arkorax has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:47:27 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 16:51:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 16:52:48 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:56:11 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:58:08 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:59:19 I wonder if an injury bond that gets damage shared (and reduced) among all affected monsters instead of shared with one monster would be interesting 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:22 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:20 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:08:29 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:15:06 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:15:09 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:22 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:20:44 -!- Implojin has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:41 pardon me, but do you guys have any tips for speeding up crawl's compile process, other than using PCH=y -j# ? Making a few patches and my machine is slow :( 17:21:42 Implojin: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:23:40 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:24:51 -!- smee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:28:06 using ccache is one way, but that helps only with recompilation; the biggest speedup probably comes from using make -j 17:28:15 assuming you have multiple cpus/cores 17:28:29 -j N+1 where N is the number of cores on your system 17:28:59 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:19 ccache is not really available on windows, if that's your platform, but make -j should work anywhere 17:29:46 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:30:03 hum 17:30:05 oh you're already using -j, I missed that 17:30:25 do you think ccache from inside a vm would be faster than not using it from within msys2 17:30:43 msys2 is fairly slow, you might find things to be faster with cygwin, which also works 17:30:45 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:31:01 okay, thanks 17:31:03 I doubt using a VM will help, but you can always try 17:31:14 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:31:22 yeah that sounded silly even as i was typing it 17:35:19 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:35:27 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:40:55 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:44:20 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 17:47:46 -!- JimmahDean has quit [] 17:48:30 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:50:48 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:50:51 evidently msys2 has a ccache package listed in pacman 17:52:23 -!- Hiffwe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:53:37 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:21 ??lolisum 17:56:21 I don't have a page labeled lolisum in my learndb. 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:31 oh, I should try out the msys2 ccache then 18:02:46 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:04:04 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:07:21 cached so hard he disconnected from irc 18:22:30 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:12 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:25:31 -!- cralle has quit [Client Quit] 18:30:42 cached out? 18:32:07 -!- miek_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:33:33 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:59 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:34:16 -!- nezrel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:36:20 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:41:25 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:47 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:45:23 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:47:07 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:53:11 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:53:17 -!- cait_ is now known as cait 18:58:49 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:47 koboldina: looking for scarletj.rc? 18:59:47 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:41 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 19:01:51 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 19:10:31 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:21:53 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:22:39 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:22:46 yes I found it pf 19:22:51 I added up all my lolisums 19:23:07 oh dear 19:23:27 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 19:23:35 my favorite part are the weird lyrics 19:23:41 are you fragile baby? if so I'll throw you away after I use you!!!!!!!! 19:23:46 -!- Prozacelf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 19:24:33 you'll be shocked to hear that those are from anime videos 19:24:33 i looked them up at some point 19:27:14 killing things with bolt of draining doesn't seem to increase song of slaying points 19:27:17 is that intended 19:27:34 i honestly forget how slaysong works 19:27:59 if (you.duration[DUR_SONG_OF_SLAYING] && killer == KILL_YOU && gives_player_xp) 19:28:18 drainbolt should work unless you're already at max bonus (9, iirc?) 19:28:40 b.fire doesn't work either 19:28:50 didn't casting a spell used to interrupt SoS? 19:29:01 that might explain why spells don't count as kills 19:29:19 -!- Grivan has quit [Client Quit] 19:30:06 i really don't see anything relevant 19:30:06 as far as I can tell it just doesn't add to it 19:30:08 it doesn't stop the song 19:30:09 what are you guys killing? 19:30:33 saint roka and his orc buddies 19:30:50 just tested on a moth of wrath, same thing 19:30:58 &watch koboldina 19:30:59 if you want 19:30:59 http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#watch-koboldina 19:31:01 I can do it some here 19:31:11 i tried gnolls 19:31:29 oh 19:31:38 that's KILL_YOU_MISSILE or KILL_YOU_BEAM or something 19:31:40 not KILL_YOU 19:31:55 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:56 wow all these death threats from pleasingfungus 19:32:03 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:32:27 god_hates_your_god() 19:34:39 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:34:40 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:35:20 the fact that KILL_YOU_MISSILE isn't included makes me think that it's probably intentional, anyway 19:35:20 which is dumb 19:35:20 but w/e 19:38:23 well it's in the skald book; i think it was supposed to be a melee enhancer 19:40:44 it's a last-hitting mechanic 19:41:01 what's weird is like 19:41:03 I'm not positive about this 19:41:11 but I think certain spells like tornado will work just fine with song of slaying 19:41:11 sounds like you're downright negative 19:41:36 probably they use KILL_YOU instead 19:41:57 is tornado a missile? who knows??? 19:43:10 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Changing host] 19:45:44 i would much prefer testing desolation with a d:1 hacky entrance 19:46:08