00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:18 oh 00:00:21 I thought it would be FE 00:00:33 chequers: you can often just read it aloud: the player is not sleep immune, and can sleep 00:00:47 ...which would overlap with fire elementalist as well 00:01:43 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:01:56 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:02:51 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:15:09 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1223-gf83d13a (34) 00:15:16 i do feel Fen Elf will overlap wth Fe 00:15:19 -!- Zeor has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:15:29 -!- adibis has quit [Client Quit] 00:15:36 because it is inconsistent with the short name rules for other species 00:15:51 and newbies get things wrong all the time already, like calling gargoyles Ga 00:16:00 and there's already fe-- / --fe confusion 00:17:45 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:18:24 he put the abbreviation to Fn 00:19:12 that's what he means about inconsistent 00:19:25 oh 00:19:57 either it's inconsistent or it overlaps with Fe and FE 00:20:08 Felid probably shouldn't have been Fe 00:21:32 what should it have been? Fl? 00:21:39 Fd? 00:22:35 I think the standard is: 1) if a two word name, use the initials, otherwise the first two letters 00:22:53 (Gargoyle used to be Grotesque) 00:23:07 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:40 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:31:36 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:25 yeah like Op 00:33:28 Optocodes 00:33:40 -!- dolemite99 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:33:46 -!- eb has quit [] 00:33:52 or Ds 00:34:14 Dsemenpawn 00:37:53 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:38:04 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:39:34 -!- smee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:40:35 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 00:42:04 chequers: sometimes with single-word names we use the initials of the syllables, e.g. merfolk -> mf 00:42:24 but that still isn't what is happening with Fen Elf -> Fn 00:43:00 fire elf 00:43:00 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:43:02 I don't think the Fen Elf proposal is great anyhow, although the theme and maybe some of the tweaks might be a good starting point 00:43:06 !messages 00:43:06 (1/1) koboldina said (4h 31m 28s ago): I was told you might be interested in this, a higher res/better quality blue hair of dowan/duvessa for teh splash screen https://postimg.org/image/57ssta7yx/ 00:44:32 (yes I know her hair is a bit darker, it was the best I could do because reasons) 00:45:00 people were sure going on about their fancy crawl koboldina t-shirts in my stream chat 00:45:13 what really 00:45:44 yeah a few people just mentioned how they'd gotten one 00:45:56 yay 00:45:59 I hope they were pleased with them 00:46:03 yes indeed 00:46:14 did I tell you I am finally investing in a vinyl cutter, was able to find a decently inexpensive one on ebay 00:46:16 wasted opportunity to spread lies and disinformation about koboldina, but I was distracted 00:46:22 nice 00:46:41 tell them I have one weird trick to turn yourself into a kobold overnight 00:46:45 hah 00:50:13 koboldina: i assume you don't have this on a transparent background right 00:50:23 :< 00:51:17 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Quit: I quit] 00:53:08 I mean 00:53:12 I can add an alpha channel if you want? 00:53:24 or rather send you the original xcf 00:53:46 is its background transparent 00:54:00 because i have to have a black background, that's just how it goes 00:54:12 ok bad news I apparently don't have the original xcf anymore 00:54:16 but 00:54:17 okay 00:54:19 I can make the background black if you want 00:54:20 i'll do my best 00:54:24 no, i can 00:54:33 I am slowly becoming less stupid at gimp 00:54:39 although I needed }'s help for this 00:54:43 fuzzy select is magic 00:55:33 gammafunk btw somebody asked for an oka altar on a charcoal shirt 00:55:40 and oh boy it came out nice, I'll put up a pic of it soon 00:59:34 !!! 00:59:40 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:40 koboldina: have you heard the gospel of path to selection? 01:03:19 no is this some gimp trick 01:03:24 yes 01:03:33 -!- dtsundere has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:50 uggggh 01:05:02 paths are the holy blessed light which shall guide you to the perfect selections 01:05:04 why do people draw smudgy things on non-transparent backgrounds 01:05:21 whyyy 01:05:29 gammafunk, I'm running into a problem having dream sheep use DUR_SLEEP_IMMUNITY. Turns out that even if you attempt to set the duration, player::awaken() will set DUR_SLEEP_IMMUNITY to 1 upon awakening 01:05:50 ontoclasm: playing ToME4? 01:06:12 ah, interesting 01:06:13 I think I have an idea on how to hack this though. if duration of sleep immunity = 0 then set it to 1, else don't touch it? 01:06:22 s/=/== 01:06:25 yeah 01:06:31 that sounds fairly reasonable 01:06:33 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:06:42 it's fixable certainly, maybe PleasingFungus or |amethyst have more thoughts 01:06:53 I'm like, basically thoughtless, when you get down to it 01:07:10 that is the literal and exact thing that i said in my comment on the pull request 01:07:17 dang! 01:07:20 whoops 01:07:27 gammafunk confirmed for not realizing that he sets off his own alarm traps 01:07:39 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:07:43 Brannock: he stole the idea from you, don't worry we all know the truth 01:07:47 it indeed is, I forgot about it entirely when I was getting caught up in other stuff 01:08:34 nikheizen: step on the alarm trap over and over again "is this doing anything? I don't see anything happening..." 01:08:55 gammafunk's last words before the entire population of Zot:5 descends upon him 01:09:50 its okay gfunk they are all gnolls 01:10:21 just wish I'd not left Gnollbane lying around on D:6... 01:10:40 -!- dtsundere has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11:33 finally i know what the g in gammafunk's name stands for 01:13:40 gammaloser 01:14:16 gammaloserammafunk 01:14:23 ya 01:14:26 weird name! 01:14:27 !lg devteamnp won today 01:14:27 No keyword 'today' 01:14:30 !lg devteamnp won day 01:14:31 1. gammafunk the Demonologist (L24 OpSu of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-08-24 01:42:21, with 1244803 points after 106624 turns and 10:11:38. 01:14:35 get good losers 01:14:36 lol 01:14:47 i cleared tomb today, thus making me the real winner 01:15:05 !lg * PleasingFungus won 01:15:06 No keyword 'PleasingFungus' 01:15:10 !lg PleasingFungus won 01:15:11 39. pleasingfungus the Phalangite (L25 MfFE of Ru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-05-10 05:36:46, with 1826653 points after 56716 turns and 5:04:47. 01:17:54 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:19:22 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1223-gf83d13a (34) 01:23:19 nikheizen: dieselrobin 01:23:22 FUN 01:23:55 !lg fun 01:23:56 6. fun the Firebug (L2 DsFE), slain by a kobold (a +0,+0 short sword) on D:1 on 2013-02-20 04:44:23, with 61 points after 498 turns and 0:01:43. 01:23:57 dieselfungus 01:25:28 koboldina: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/title_baconkid_duvessa_dowan.png 01:25:38 how's that 01:27:39 hmm 01:27:48 i tuned down the saturation on her hair 01:28:00 it's like 01:28:04 it's getting pixelated somehow 01:28:09 I don't think I'm imagining this 01:28:16 i mean 01:28:21 i have to scale it down 01:28:28 what kind of scaling are you using 01:28:34 cubic 01:29:01 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:29:30 ahh okay it goes down to like 400 pixels, I see now 01:29:34 that makes sense 01:29:56 this is the PERFECT opportunity to use a SNES scaler 01:29:58 I think maybe I didn't realize that and there was like no problem in the first place, in that case :P 01:30:01 supereagle 01:30:16 it's a scaler, but it's also an eagle 01:30:24 maybe linear scaling looks better, hold on 01:30:30 murican 01:31:37 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/title_baconkid_duvessa_dowan_2.png 01:31:45 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:32:08 smoother 01:33:08 that looks much better 01:33:22 I used cubic scaling on this but I was scaling up rather than down 01:33:34 and it ended up looking fine that way 01:33:40 I don't know a lot about how interpolation actually works 01:34:39 -!- arcanemastermind has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:35:14 vaguely speaking, you've got some sample points (i.e. that actual pixels in the existing image) and you have to guess what color other points should be (the pixels in the scaled image) 01:35:46 linear scaling assumes that in between the existing points there's a "straight line" of colors 01:36:01 i dunno if it means straight in RGB or HSV or what, but that's the idea i guess 01:36:28 unless I'm missing something I don't see where DUR_SLEEP_IMMUNITY is decremented in the code. Unless it's not explicitly called by the code and is just automatically decremented when it goes down a list of active durations 01:37:01 attempting to test refactored dream sheep code and the player is either permanently immune to sleep, or the immunity duration wears off after one round 01:37:07 my brain is fried so I might just.. sleep... on this 01:39:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:41:20 a lot of durations are decremented automatically, i found 01:41:39 like, anything that isn't explicitly decremented just somehow decrements and expires silently 01:42:20 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.19-a0-1224-g978f909: New version of the Duvessa/Dowan splash 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/978f90914e94 01:42:34 chequers: decrementing ghosts 01:42:35 how horrifying 01:42:54 fr decrementing ghosts that decrement all your durations 01:43:16 ontoclasm by any chance do you have the unscaled version of the duvessa you altered the hue on 01:43:28 you somehow got it looking a lot better than the one I did even though I played with the hue scaler for like 20 minutes 01:43:36 and I'm going to make a shirt of this soon 01:44:41 oh fuck off I had that backwards all this time 01:44:52 chequers, you were right, I should avoid double negatives in code 01:45:06 koboldina: yeah hold on 01:45:14 thx 01:45:28 koboldina: colors -> map -> rotate colors 01:45:36 it's magic 01:45:52 wow this is like 01:45:53 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:46:05 this is like a spriter's wet dream for making palette swaps 01:46:33 * Brannock attempts to imagine manually editing palette swaps 01:46:38 ye gods 01:46:41 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/duvdow.png 01:46:50 Brannock: i've done it :Y 01:46:53 thx much 01:47:25 brannock: while (!not_not_done) { //do things } 01:48:35 the best hing about rotate colors is that you can switch directions, which is invaluable for e.g. swapping yellow to blue 01:49:10 because yellow generally shifts red (i.e. clockwise) in shadows and blue shifts purple (i.e. ccw) 01:53:39 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:54:06 Brannock: whenever I see complex "return" lines I am reminded of the "unless" conditional from perl/ruby, which is like "if" but backwards and is the source of much gnashing of teeth 01:54:41 gozag doesnt seem to give more gold in sprint 01:54:46 makes him kinda awful 01:55:43 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1223-gf83d13a 01:58:46 chequers: does it go -after- the line to be executed? 01:58:48 like 01:59:05 do it; unless (i>7) 01:59:08 ontoclasm: being perl, the answer is: it qualifies to go in either place 01:59:21 ew 01:59:25 do it unless (never_mind); 01:59:34 unless (never_mind) {do it; do more;} 01:59:40 ditto ruby 01:59:43 ontoclasm: see, now that I'd wear on a shirt 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:33 kawaii~ 02:03:06 -!- Zeor1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:09:48 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1224-g978f909 (34) 02:14:49 minmay: it's a pretty good image 02:15:29 -!- aditya has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:25:41 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:00 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:26:05 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:28:04 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:31 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:27 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:51 -!- johlstei__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:05 !tell dpeg_ gozag doesnt seem to give more gold in sprint. 02:36:05 Rast--: OK, I'll let dpeg_ know. 02:38:50 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:40:01 Rast-- !telling dpeg_ ...when will the symbols end... 02:40:39 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:40:44 !lg * sprint x=cv 02:40:46 565746. [cv=0.19-a] rast the Slicer (L8 VSFi of Gozag), mangled by a guardian mummy in Sprint (Sprint VI: "Thunderdome") on 2016-08-24 06:35:22, with 132 points after 632 turns and 0:06:18. 02:41:11 ok, so version is carried over normally in sprint games, that's good 02:41:11 !lg * zotdef x=cv 02:41:11 36664. [cv=0.15] Thraspic the Skirmisher (L2 MiBe of Trog), slain by an ooze in Zot (Scenario IV: Columnade : zotvault4) on 2016-08-24 00:41:22, with 21 points after 302 turns and 0:01:11. 02:41:11 !lg * zotdef x=cv won 02:41:11 56. [cv=0.15] namelastname112 the Heavyweight Champion (L27 TrMo of Yredelemnul), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2016-05-21 20:21:37, with 9111360 points after 18405 turns and 2:44:19. 02:46:02 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:47:14 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:47:22 oh no, my crawl 4.0b26 doesn't build any more 02:53:04 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1224-g978f909 02:53:29 -!- namad8 has quit [] 02:57:17 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 02:57:19 has anyone used lldb? How do I get a stack track of a crashing program? 02:57:31 running `lldb ncrawl`, then `run` and playing until crash just gives nothing 02:59:35 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:59:53 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:05 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:06:14 oh. it crashes if the save dir isn't writable 03:06:54 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:18:07 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1224-g978f909 (34) 03:19:45 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:21:52 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:22:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:23:49 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:24:58 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:43:30 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:45:40 -!- Tefaj has joined ##crawl-dev 03:45:57 -!- aditya has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:47:15 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 03:48:32 -!- Jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:58:14 gnollcrawl fr: don't include character level in the high score screen (SpAK-01) - save more room for player names! 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:01 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1225-gf887c1c: Multiply Gozag gold in sprint (Rast) 10(46 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f887c1c8bbe6 04:08:34 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:11:22 -!- NeremWorld has quit [] 04:11:42 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.1/20160817112116]] 04:12:28 -!- PElf has joined ##crawl-dev 04:25:47 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:09 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:40:53 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:45:34 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:46:57 -!- Tefaj is now known as Jafet 04:51:18 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21250 04:53:29 she's such a bully 04:55:22 -!- Rast-- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:56:26 "Duvessa slammed Dowan's face into the poop, over and over" 04:57:25 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 04:58:22 "That'll teach you to call me 'plain-looking', fuckboy!" 04:59:38 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02:17 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:02:45 !learn insert bat_vault[1] https://67.media.tumblr.com/978dc7dc84b5dd121c3135768f2689a4/tumblr_obb5nszOe01qlwzfpo1_1280.jpg 05:02:45 bat vault[1/2]: https://67.media.tumblr.com/978dc7dc84b5dd121c3135768f2689a4/tumblr_obb5nszOe01qlwzfpo1_1280.jpg 05:07:43 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0.1/20160623154057]] 05:07:56 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:08:05 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:08:15 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:09:05 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1225-gf887c1c (34) 05:12:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:31:51 -!- PElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 05:32:40 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:35:24 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 05:39:47 -!- Jod has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:41:17 -!- eady has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:48:02 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:00:12 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:03 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:19:17 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:31:02 -!- sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:43:14 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:44:15 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:48:59 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:35 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:11:32 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:17:33 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:05 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:28:44 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:31:16 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:09 -!- bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:04:38 -!- Undo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:14:27 -!- Pekkekk has quit [] 08:24:13 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:24:13 -!- nezrel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:25:40 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:26:03 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:57 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:31:33 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:36:27 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:40:41 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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seconds] 12:18:02 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:39 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:21:28 !crashlog ziggurnaut 12:21:28 2. ziggurnaut, XL20 DDNe, T:61654 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/ziggurnaut/crash-ziggurnaut-20160824-134604.txt 12:21:43 YOU MUST RETREAT IF POSSIBLE. 12:23:55 -!- Jebus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:25:39 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:28:37 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 12:30:26 -!- charly_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:32:40 -!- Telnaior has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:32:52 -!- Telnaior_ is now known as Telnaior 12:34:20 -!- Abaxvahl has quit [] 12:35:30 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:36:23 sounds like rcfile gone haywire 12:37:45 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:37:50 yeah 12:40:51 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:40:53 -!- Kranix has quit [Client Quit] 12:42:55 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 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0.19-a0-1225-gf887c1c (34) 13:19:20 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:19:37 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:08 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:21:26 -!- smee has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:29:02 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:29:40 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 13:39:44 -!- Jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:47:09 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:57:04 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:58:26 -!- FunkyGnoll has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 14:00:11 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:39 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:04 -!- Zekka__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:01:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:28 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:29 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:02:47 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10:21 -!- FunkyGnoll is now known as FunkyBomb 14:19:23 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:19:49 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:22:57 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 14:25:46 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:25:48 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:16 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:27:55 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:32:04 -!- Dracunos-m has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:13 -!- Taraiph has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:34 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:52 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:37:03 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:40:17 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:40:49 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:16 WhatIsLove (L27 HOGl) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 507: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 623 (Tomb:1) 14:45:48 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:00 -!- Abaxvahl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:47:03 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:47:50 -!- Darkwing_Drake has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:48:54 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:48:55 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:44 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:56:52 -!- Zekka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:58 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:03 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:23 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:05:47 Gotta watch those bogosity errors 15:06:27 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:07:33 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:08:56 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:43 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:40 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:12:55 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:14:04 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:21:49 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:22:07 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:22:47 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:27:27 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:30:14 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 15:32:23 I don't understand how DUR_SLEEP_IMMUNITY works. With a value of 1, it seems to expire immediately (mostly to ensure that you can't be slept again before you take one action), but with a value of 6 to 10, it takes an extremely, extremely long time (at least a few hundred turns) before the player is susceptible again. 15:33:22 Further, foe->can_sleep() doesn't seem to properly call player::can_sleep() and is instead calling actor::can_sleep(). I think this is because 'foe' is declared as 'actor *foe = mons->get_foe() 15:33:28 -!- TuxQmooob has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:35:52 -!- qguv has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:35:56 I think the former might be related to the latter, actually, since it may be continually renewing the sleep duration 15:36:12 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:36:19 since it's not properly not-sleeping when the target is immune to sleep 15:37:44 Can you paste your code, plase? 15:38:10 -!- mibert has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:39:19 http://pastebin.com/KiuKfZph I think that should be all the relevant code 15:39:46 (comments are not updated yet) 15:40:24 code, plase? plase? code... 15:40:40 (mon speech for the new code golem monsters) 15:41:15 MASTER PLASE GIVE ME BRACES 15:44:04 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:47:02 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:54:31 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:56:32 Brannock: are you on windows still? 15:56:37 yes 15:56:47 pity 15:56:50 tis 15:57:12 I'm between jobs atm and I plan to do a complete overhaul of my hardware once I have $$ and I'll probably switch over to a different OS then 15:57:27 I use Windows 7 and it's fine 15:57:28 until then, though, I have too much stuff going on to try to learn linux or iOS or whatever it is the cool coders use 15:57:55 Lightli: not so great for coding 15:58:05 yeah that's what I was thinking of 15:58:14 mm? 15:59:58 hm 16:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:06 i.e. might be easier to code with Linux 16:00:08 Brannock: did you make any changes to player.h? 16:00:45 that is to say, did you declare can_sleep in player.h? 16:01:12 I renamed player::awake() to player::awaken() and altered some other functions to correctly call the renamed function. And I did declare bool can_sleep() const; in player.h 16:01:41 I also changed player::awaken() to set DUR_SLEEP_IMMUNITY to 1 only when D_S_I is at 0, as you suggested a few days ago 16:01:58 can you paste the exact declaration of can_sleep in player.h? 16:02:23 bool can_sleep() const; 16:02:30 That's a different function from the one in actor. 16:02:38 Which is why it's not being called. 16:02:39 -!- xormask has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:03:01 It needs to be "bool can_sleep(bool foo = false) const". 16:03:04 Damn. 16:03:14 A good compiler would warn you about this. 16:03:25 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:26 Well, maybe. 16:03:27 -!- jeefus is now known as jefus 16:04:13 Anyway, that's one thing. For the other... can you toss up the latest version of your code on the PR? Then I can mess around with it locally. 16:04:25 Lightli: note also that you can run a linux VM quite comfortably; you don't *have* to have your main OS be linux just so you can develop conveniently 16:04:51 Brannock: if you don't want to put WIP code in your branch, you can also make a patch file for sharing 16:04:56 those are easy for people to apply 16:05:06 another option is to put it up in a temporary branch 16:05:19 I can just squash WIP commits anyway. But lemme test this quick to see if it calling player::can_sleep() fixes my first problem, then I'll put up new code 16:05:31 Brannock: git format-patch --stdout "$rbranch" > "${bname}.patch"; 16:05:37 patch files are pre handy 16:05:43 good command to know 16:05:46 added that to the cheat sheet 16:05:49 use appropriate values for those variables, ofc 16:07:02 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:12:34 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:15:32 your main os must be gentoo linux and you must compile it yourself 16:15:32 koboldina: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 16:16:08 i once knew a guy who posted under the username 'install gentoo' 16:16:18 well, 'knew' might be a strong term 16:16:35 crawl only runs either on pure gentoo or OS X with the application CORRECTLY SIGNED 16:16:49 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:16:54 -!- xormask has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:46 sleep timeout seems to be fixed (though duration is still longer than what it seems to be set by). But dream sheep are still blasting the player with dream dust even when sleep immunity is up. I'll put up the patch 16:20:45 hmm, that created an empty .patch file 16:21:17 need ot use origin/master as your relative branch 16:21:31 so probably git format-patch --stdout origin/master > mybranch.patch 16:21:32 god, i hate git docs so much 16:21:54 you can disable the signing check on os x. just preferable if you don't. or would be if apple's tooling didn't suck 16:22:18 Okay got it. Where do I upload this? Pastebin? 16:22:21 geekosaur: do you have a recommendation for how we make our next OS X release? 16:22:42 whatever's convenient, Brannock. I use a bash function to auto-upload to e.g. dpaste 16:22:55 "through someone else, lest I throw the mac through the window in utter frustration"? 16:23:12 -!- } has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:23:14 geekosaur: I mean more like, what's a practical way we can do the release without signing? 16:23:31 Do we make the app target and just put that up with instructions for "you have to run this with signing disabled"? 16:23:51 i realize we shouldn't expect geekosaur to go through more signing hell :) 16:24:02 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:11 but I'd want to have a practical way to make it available for our OS X users 16:24:12 actually you don't even need to do that, just tell them to right-click -> Open and confirm running an unsigned app (this only needs to be done once) 16:24:12 PleasingFungus, http://pastebin.com/hSwJMqVd sorry for the delay 16:24:21 np 16:24:28 geekosaur: thanks, I'll do that for 0.19 then 16:24:31 so you can do it without knocking down all protections 16:24:47 then we just need someone to build the release 16:24:52 this is a werid patch 16:24:56 *weird 16:25:04 How mean 16:25:07 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:09 I will probably try yet again to make the signing work, but I'm really tired of fighting with crap that works perfectly on my machines and for some fraction of users and fails with no useful information at all for others 16:25:39 PleasingFungus: because it's relative to origin/master? 16:25:39 and apple's own tooling for verification insisting it's all fine 16:25:39 something looks very wrong there ye 16:25:39 s 16:25:39 gammafunk: it is not 16:25:39 - // Summon more dream sheep in an emergency. 16:25:40 - case SPELL_SUMMON_DREAM_SHEEP: 16:25:45 it applies all 3 commits I think 16:25:54 going down to 3/3 you can see the spell being removed 16:25:56 oh or maybe it's just pastebin doing weird things with colouring 16:25:58 oh, i see, it's each commit separately 16:26:01 ok 16:26:04 yeah 16:26:07 apply with git am 16:26:11 but it's relative to master 16:26:22 maybe I should have recommended making it relative to Brannock's PR branch 16:26:36 but you can checkout out master as a branch and apply it 16:26:37 oh 16:26:48 how do I make a patch relative to a PR branch? 16:26:50 the syntax is boned because it's using cpp syntax coloring 16:26:53 oops 16:26:57 instead of patch 16:27:14 Brannock: that 'origin/master' bit is the branch relative to which the patch is made 16:27:23 so you could do like 'origin/mybranchname' 16:27:31 where mybranchname is your github PR branch 16:27:34 Oh gotcha 16:27:36 Yeah, makes sense 16:27:38 I think your origin is your github repo? 16:27:47 here we go, applied 16:27:56 man, i wish git am just used -3 by default... 16:27:58 and in that case maybe origin/master was just a bad idea, since that's possibly not up to date! 16:28:00 maybe there's an option 16:28:17 upstream/master instead next time, maybe 16:28:19 I think my origin/master is a few commits behind but I updated it yesterday 16:28:25 upstream/master seems better 16:28:31 ah, I should have thought of that, but yeah, you see how it works now 16:28:36 geekosaur: totally unrelated, but remind me to pick your brain at some point about packaging OS X apps, if it's not too much trouble; I'm working on my own game and I badly need context for figuring out how to build something distributable (specifically wrt SDL frameworks) 16:30:39 lol, i'm getting warnings from every file that includes player.h 16:31:00 just comment out player.h... 16:31:00 Brannock: you want to mark can_sleep as 'override' in player.h 16:31:34 Oh, so it overrides actor::can_sleep when applicable? 16:31:35 the advantage of that is that it guarantees that the function is actually overriding a parent class's function; if you'd had it marked "bool can_sleep() const override", you'd have gotten a compiler error instead of just a silent failure 16:32:14 it doesn't actually change the behavior; this isn't gonna fix your current bug 16:35:45 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:37:20 -!- Prozacelf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:57 Brannock: seems to work fine to me 16:38:13 i can't find any issues, other than the 'resist' message being sort of unclear 16:38:16 are dream sheep using dream dust and you getting "You are unaffected"? 16:38:20 because that shouldn't happen at all 16:38:27 no 16:38:45 was the only change we made to add 'override'? 16:39:19 also which resist message do you mean? 16:39:29 What kinda unit tests does crawl have? I didn't even look while I was working on it :p 16:39:44 we don't have unit tests 16:39:52 :O 16:39:54 Brannock: correct, but it worked fine without the override 16:39:59 Dracunos-m: welcome... to crawlcode!!! 16:40:06 we have some integration tests 16:40:10 weird. let me recompile from scratch, thank you msys2, then I'll test this again 16:40:22 each player is a unit test 16:40:32 intended behavior: dream sheep only use dream dust when player is awake and is not immune to sleep 16:40:35 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:40:38 Brannock: the bit about the motes of dream dust 'sparkling and fading' 16:40:38 Oh that's what trunk is for 16:40:43 pretty much! 16:41:04 that's not quite a resist message, it's "they weren't strong enough", but I agree it could be clearer. let me pull out this paint bucket 16:41:13 mm 16:41:15 i'm gonna lunch. 16:41:19 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: I'm not here right now.] 16:42:12 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:44:02 don't paint sheep. I tried it once and the results were terrible 16:45:08 "... sparkle then fade without effect." should be clear 16:45:13 they make better paintbrushes than canvases 16:47:24 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 16:50:42 !tell PleasingFungus https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/4zdnz3/renewed_hope_for_my_earlygame_jiyva_adventures_d/ 16:50:42 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 16:51:03 clearly we should remove it, since someone had fun 16:51:06 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:52:51 hmm, I'm updating mon-abil.cc, re-compiling, but the changes aren't actually passing in the game... 16:54:54 Oh, no wonder, I had an older instance of crawl.exe still open 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:27 -!- bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:00:43 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 17:03:32 nice. 17:07:04 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:09:28 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:50 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:52 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:13:45 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/321 * 0.19-a0-1111-g4126a25: Replace SUMMON_DREAM_SHEEP with SPELL_SLEEP. 10(18 hours ago, 10 files, 9+ 35-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4126a25ccd73 17:13:45 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/321 * 0.19-a0-1112-gb386d19: Rewrite _dream_sheep_sleep 10(4 minutes ago, 4 files, 36+ 57-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b386d19c04a1 17:13:45 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/321 * 0.19-a0-1113-gf5d9029: Rewrite _dream_sheep_sleep 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f5d902929595 17:13:45 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/321 * 0.19-a0-1114-gcf42fd9: Rename awake() to awaken() 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cf42fd94a523 17:15:34 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:23:16 hrm, are there two rewrite commits? 17:23:26 So there are 17:23:54 I think I forgot to include the declaration of player::can_sleep in the first rewrite commit, but then it sent the old rewrite comment? 17:24:05 and has the declaration (of exactly 1 line) in the second rewrite commit 17:24:34 well if you look on your branch 17:24:34 you should have each of these commits 17:24:40 e.g. two in git log 17:24:50 I'll squash that right after I fix this bug with fen elf compilation. Missing brace :( 17:24:56 yeah, nbd 17:25:43 -!- JimmahDean has quit [] 17:30:47 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:31:08 -!- Dracunos-m has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:09 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:35:17 -!- frd has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:38:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:53 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/329 * 0.19-a0-1224-g87c11b8: Convert High Elves into Fen Elves. 10(21 hours ago, 12 files, 138+ 72-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/87c11b82dd6f 17:46:02 -!- smee has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:46:32 Hmm, I hope squashing and then pushing that duplicate commit won't also resend all four commits 17:47:39 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:50:22 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0.1/20160623154057]] 17:51:15 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/321 * 0.19-a0-1224-gaba06d7: Implement dream sheep. 10(3 weeks ago, 20 files, 239+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aba06d70e1b0 17:51:15 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/321 * 0.19-a0-1225-g722c1c2: Replace SUMMON_DREAM_SHEEP with SPELL_SLEEP. 10(19 hours ago, 10 files, 9+ 35-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/722c1c20b4c5 17:51:15 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/321 * 0.19-a0-1226-gd65d569: Rewrite _dream_sheep_sleep 10(41 minutes ago, 5 files, 37+ 57-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d65d56977d47 17:51:15 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/321 * 0.19-a0-1227-g3ec9b7a: Rename awake() to awaken() 10(39 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3ec9b7ab3530 17:51:26 Darnit 17:51:53 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:52:55 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:52:56 Okay well it looks like Fn and dream sheep are fixed up now 17:52:59 I'm gonna take a break from coding 17:53:55 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:54:29 gammafunk: BIG waste of monk piety, imo! 17:54:29 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:56:10 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:43 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:59:33 -!- eb has quit [Client Quit] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:12 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:01:13 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 18:05:04 -!- scorchgeek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:06:27 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:08:34 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:10:04 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1225-gf887c1c (34) 18:13:34 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:17:36 can someone please remove the freezing clouds from the ice caves 18:18:53 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:21:35 I don't think that's going to happen. We talked about this some weeks back, and I think the feeling was more that there's a need to fix the exclusions made by fog machines 18:22:06 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:22:08 that would also be fine 18:22:49 they're just incredibly unpredictable even with their locations labeled and likely the third most deadly thing in the caves 18:23:43 !lg * recent icecv s=ktyp 18:23:44 5833 games for * (recent icecv): 3282x mon, 1465x beam, 970x cloud, 54x water, 37x quitting, 5x pois, 5x disintegration, 4x spore, 3x bounce, 2x wild magic, 2x targeting, 2x starvation, rotting, burning 18:24:05 third in that ranking, but really that ranking only includes three things 18:24:06 Well, those two portals are in part about the player dealing with damage clouds 18:24:35 yes 18:24:50 but volcano eruptions happen much less frequently than an ice cloud reforming 18:26:05 also I checked; they're the 4th largest killer (behind ice statues, frost giants, and to my surprise polar bears) 18:26:51 !lg * recent icecv s=ikiller% 18:26:52 5833 games for * (recent icecv): 1159x an ice statue (19.87%), 696x a frost giant (11.93%), 567x (9.72%), 485x a polar bear (8.31%), 441x an ice devil (7.56%), 405x a freezing wraith (6.94%), 388x an ice dragon (6.65%), 172x a death yak simulacrum (2.95%), 171x an Ice Fiend (2.93%), 131x a wolf spider simulacrum (2.25%), 109x an alligator simulacrum (1.87%), 77x a wolf (1.32%), 72x a golden dragon... 18:27:17 what query did you run? 18:27:19 !lg * recent icecv ktyp=cloud ikiller= 18:27:23 465. Lightli the Arsonist (L11 DrVM of Vehumet), engulfed by a cloud of freezing vapour in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_02) on 2016-08-24 22:16:27, with 10486 points after 13251 turns and 0:35:39. 18:27:34 lol 18:27:52 if I could change one thing about crawl 18:27:53 just one thing 18:27:54 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:28:00 it would be removing those freezing clouds from the ice caves 18:28:13 !lg . br=icecv ktyp=cloud 18:28:13 No games for gammafunk (br=icecv ktyp=cloud). 18:28:20 interesting that I've never died to that 18:28:23 !lg . br=icecv ktype=cloud 18:28:24 5. Lightli the Arsonist (L11 DrVM of Vehumet), engulfed by a cloud of freezing vapour in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_02) on 2016-08-24 22:16:27, with 10486 points after 13251 turns and 0:35:39. 18:28:26 it must be due to ```RNG''' 18:28:52 (it is worth noting I did not have rC+) 18:29:01 !lg . br=icecv ktyp=cloud 18:29:02 No games for amalloy (br=icecv ktyp=cloud). 18:29:06 !lg . br=icecv 18:29:06 well that's cleary the ice cave's fault 18:29:07 3. yollama the Basher (L11 DrCK of Xom), slain by a polar bear in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_01) on 2016-03-13 13:12:50, with 13650 points after 12568 turns and 1:12:02. 18:29:07 if I don't have rC+ and enter ice cave, often I will just shortly leave 18:29:28 -!- Dracunos-m has joined ##crawl-dev 18:29:39 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:29:50 when i enter an ice cave and see simulacra i usually just leave 18:29:59 !lg . br=icecv s=ikiller 18:30:00 they are horrifying 18:30:00 5 games for gammafunk (br=icecv): 2x a freezing wraith, a blue devil, a yak, 18:30:06 !lg . br=icecv s=ikiller 18:30:06 3 games for amalloy (br=icecv): guedzilla's ghost, a polar bear, a golden dragon simulacrum 18:30:11 freezing wraiths get me on speedruns 18:30:15 !lg . br=icecv s=ikiller !gfspeed 18:30:16 2 games for gammafunk (br=icecv !gfspeed): , a blue devil 18:30:18 honestly it feels like the freezing clouds are to rC+ what orbs of fire are to rF+ 18:30:27 you don't have it, don't even bother trying 18:30:43 bad analogy because you can just quaff !resist for OOF 18:30:48 yeah 18:30:51 also you can kill orbs of fire 18:31:03 kill freezing clouds by walking past them 18:31:11 golden dragon simulacrum 18:31:19 gammafunk: that is my highest-tdam death 18:31:23 !lg . cikiller=simulacrum 18:31:23 No games for gammafunk (cikiller=simulacrum). 18:31:26 er 18:31:35 !lg . ckiller=simulacrum 18:31:35 No games for gammafunk (ckiller=simulacrum). 18:31:38 the issue is if you need to fall back 18:31:46 !lg * ckiller~~simula 18:31:49 4892. mamga the Summoner (L11 DrSu of Makhleb), mangled by a death yak simulacrum in IceCv (ice_cave_small_necro) on 2016-08-24 19:44:45, with 7733 points after 12704 turns and 0:26:03. 18:31:49 !lg . op icecv x=sdam,mhp 18:31:50 1. [sdam=112;mhp=104] amalloy the Destroyer (L15 OpWz of The Shining One), mangled by a golden dragon simulacrum in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_03) on 2015-05-15 19:51:35, with 89636 points after 52611 turns and 6:31:43. 18:31:58 !lg * ckiller~~simula x=ckiller 18:31:58 I think I have you guys beaten 18:32:00 4892. [ckiller=a death yak simulacrum] mamga the Summoner (L11 DrSu of Makhleb), mangled by a death yak simulacrum in IceCv (ice_cave_small_necro) on 2016-08-24 19:44:45, with 7733 points after 12704 turns and 0:26:03. 18:32:15 !lg . ckiller~~simulacrum s=ckiller% 18:32:16 2 games for gammafunk (ckiller~~simulacrum): a harpy simulacrum (50.00%), a sphinx simulacrum (50.00%) 18:32:18 !lg . x=sdam 18:32:19 3972. [sdam=0] Lightli the Vexing (L1 DrEn), quit the game on D:1 (mrwooster_arrival_statue) on 2016-08-24 22:19:24, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:01. 18:32:21 derp 18:32:29 !lg . x=maxdam 18:32:30 Unknown field: maxdam 18:32:41 !lg Lightli max=sdam x=sdam 18:32:42 3972. [sdam=138] Lightli the Executioner (L22 HOBe of Trog), blasted by an ancient lich (bolt of cold) on Crypt:5 (church_of_pain_bobbens) on 2012-08-11 01:48:09, with 247486 points after 45783 turns and 2:00:54. 18:32:53 !lg . max=sdam x=sdam 18:32:54 3874. [sdam=146] gammafunk the Martial Artist (L16 OpTm of Nemelex Xobeh), blew themself up on Snake:3 on 2012-12-20 22:53:49, with 105491 points after 53734 turns and 7:45:39. 18:32:56 wrong 18:33:02 !lg . max=sdam x=sdam 18:33:03 408. [sdam=112] amalloy the Destroyer (L15 OpWz of The Shining One), mangled by a golden dragon simulacrum in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_03) on 2015-05-15 19:51:35, with 89636 points after 52611 turns and 6:31:43. 18:33:07 what a scrub i am 18:33:18 that one had me learn a very important lesson at least 18:33:25 never have rF- or rC- if you can help it 18:33:30 gammafunk: Orb card circled back around on you? 18:33:49 old orb card, where OODs colliding made a damaging explosion 18:34:13 and I did deal 4 legendary destruct 18:34:13 got two in a row 18:34:13 lol 18:34:13 cool 18:34:13 i didn't even know oods used to do that 18:34:20 don't they still do so 18:34:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 18:34:32 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:34:43 I did it when I saw agnes, who had killed my last OpTm in snake pits 18:34:49 she got to watch me blow up 18:35:04 rip 18:35:24 Lightli: no, they just make noise 18:35:49 rip 18:35:52 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:37:33 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:38:31 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:39:13 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:52 the part of me that wants to see the message "you have died" wants there to be a cloud type that's extremely dangerous even in endgame 18:40:57 but then I just remembered miasma exists 18:46:40 For 10624, this mechanic seems almost too minor to be worth mentioning on 'A' screen, and Merfolk/Octopode already get a "stealth bonus" (compared against other non-swimming species who have their stealth halved) in water. I think it'd be fine to remove Mf/Op stealth bonus in water and just have them be unaffected by the stealth malus. 18:47:11 -!- DrKe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:38 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:05 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:48:21 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:38 -!- DrKe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:04:41 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:37 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:14 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:13 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:10:33 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 19:13:24 -!- DrKe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:08 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:50 -!- sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:16:57 New branch created: pull/330 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/330 19:16:57 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/330 * 0.19-a0-1226-gebd2161: Document Merfolk/Octopode aquatic +stealth. (10624) 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ebd2161cabeb 19:17:51 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:21 question: why can't jellies be death channeled 19:20:48 @??spectral jelly 19:20:48 unknown monster: "spectral jelly" 19:20:58 @??jelly 19:20:58 jelly (04J) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 12-19 | AC/EV: 0/2 | Dam: 308(acid:7d3) | 04eats doors, amphibious, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(10), 03poison, 08acid+++, 08blind, 12drown | XP: 42 | Sz: small | Int: brainless. 19:21:11 -!- gressup is now known as gressdown 19:21:59 are there monsters you can dchan but can't turn into skeletons? i can't think of any. maybe the two are related 19:23:09 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:25:20 -!- Demi has quit [Client Quit] 19:25:27 hmm 19:25:32 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:25:44 does it make sense for it to work like that tho 19:25:54 -!- Dracunos7 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:05 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:14 @??boggart skeleton 19:26:14 unknown monster: "boggart skeleton" 19:26:18 @??spectral boggart 19:26:18 unknown monster: "spectral boggart" 19:26:33 like isn't the idea that you're enslaving the soul or whatever, it shouldn't really matter flavor-wise if it leaves a corpse or not 19:26:36 only that it's natural holiness 19:27:47 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Client Quit] 19:27:47 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:29:28 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:44 -!- Prozacelf is now known as ProzacElf 19:34:25 ??rod[3 19:34:25 rod[3/4]: Evocations skill and rod enchantment increases its recharge rate. A +0 rod with no skill gets 1 mana per 25 typical turns. Taking that same rod to +4 will double the recharge rate, 8 triple. Evo skill increases recharge rate by 1/turn for every 1000 skill. 19:34:45 how on earth is the player supposed to find out that evo skill increases recharge rate? also, why does evo skill increase recharge rate? 19:35:55 it does?! 19:36:08 I've been playing this game for an actual decade 19:36:11 and I never knew that 19:37:13 Ermm.. I knew that 19:37:26 Are you sure it's not in the game? 19:37:37 For rods, right? 19:38:30 what does "1000 skill" mean in this instance? Anyone able to provide insight 19:38:35 Huh, I wonder when I learned that, it doesn't seem to be ingame 19:39:47 miek_: i guess it means you can improve recharge rate by a maximum of 27/1000 per turn 19:39:59 I mean before I ever joined the irc 19:40:04 so an extra 1 mana per 37 turns 19:40:05 chequers: yeah that was my interpretation but it seems off to me 19:40:16 1 mana every 37 turns at max evo is incredibly slow 19:40:39 Rods recharge really fast with even just 20 evo, noticeably faster 19:40:58 when you have 20 evo you also tend to have well-enchanted rods 19:41:07 and those recharge fast even at 0 evo 19:41:14 I've never enchanted a rod 19:41:18 what?????? 19:41:28 I usually also have like 27 axes at that point 19:41:41 So I use them.. when I actually remember to 19:41:45 Which is once in a while 19:42:07 And I remember them recharging while I was walking to the next area, vs a couple battles later, but that's anecdotal 19:42:55 Plus it seems kinda pointless to recharge RoC, my favorite one 19:43:06 Since it's rare I need more than one cast 19:44:01 Am I the only person who actually uses rods but doesn't recharge them? :p 19:44:39 okay so i am gonna try this in wizmode to see how big the difference is. i have a -1 lightning rod (0/11) and 0 evo skill, and it's turn 16965. it finished recharging at 17331 19:44:46 also: yes, you are. recharging rods is real good 19:45:09 But my precious haste wand spamming :o 19:45:24 with 27 evo, it recharges between 17441 and 17624 19:45:39 Seems kinda pointless then :p 19:45:46 so instead of 370ish turns, it takes 180ish 19:45:49 twice as fast 19:45:55 Oh, I misread the numbers apparently 19:46:35 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:46:42 What's the difference between enchantment levels? Like +4 difference 19:46:52 ??rod[3 19:46:52 rod[3/4]: Evocations skill and rod enchantment increases its recharge rate. A +0 rod with no skill gets 1 mana per 25 typical turns. Taking that same rod to +4 will double the recharge rate, 8 triple. Evo skill increases recharge rate by 1/turn for every 1000 skill. 19:47:07 Wow, so you'd quadruple the recharge rate 19:47:13 +4 at 27 evo 19:47:35 do all decisions take place at 27 evo? 19:47:42 I must be playing artificers wrong 19:47:48 I usually stop at 20 19:47:59 If I can live that long, anyhow 19:48:01 gammafunk: i don't really care at all what happens at 27 evo 19:48:14 my objection is that there's any difference at all between 0 evo and numbers greater than 0 19:48:20 amalloy: yeah I know, I agree with you 19:48:34 but some of this conversation seems to be centered on what happens at 20+ evo 19:48:37 when the game is over... 19:49:12 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:49:27 i wonder, if you had an alternate victory condition of "reach 20 evo", at what point would it be right to dump all your xp into evo 19:49:28 since ?recharging on rods is a thing, I agree that having evo affect recharge rate is probably unecessary 19:49:53 It was good for Dracunoses, tho 19:50:39 well it'd be good for players to have the axe of woe as well 19:50:57 ??axe of woe 19:50:58 axe of woe[1/2]: +∞ exec (or broad, for small races) axe made entirely out of murder. Insta-kills everything it hits, never misses, goes with any outfit. A meatsprint exclusive. 19:51:12 (someone asked about putting that in a vault made of permarock once) 19:51:24 Like perma transparent rock? 19:51:34 yeah, just for flavor 19:51:45 Some people actually seem to get really upset :p 19:51:52 At those vaults with weapons in them that can't be accessed :p 19:52:11 augh! elemental evokers also recharge faster at higher evo skill 19:52:18 hah 19:52:22 Good mechanic 19:52:55 !source _recharge_xp_evokers 19:52:55 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#L2571 19:52:55 good well-justified equation 19:54:37 guess you could replace that term with equiv at some reasonable level of evo 19:55:05 13 evo, so 3 + ... just becomes 5 19:55:12 or just make it 4 19:55:52 6.5 evocations is where I always stop training evo anyhow 19:56:15 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:56:28 !source _recharge_rod 19:56:28 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/timed_effects.cc#L1467 19:56:55 !source skill_bump 19:56:55 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc#L1482 19:57:21 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 19:58:06 is skill_bump the worst function? non-descriptive name, opaque formula that seems to involve both multiplying and dividing by scale? 19:59:14 -!- cybersaint2k has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:59:55 used in boegh smiting and lucy's bend space and the return chance for the returning ego :/ 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:43 not to mention rod recharging 20:00:51 not even in beogh smiting as far as i can see? 20:01:03 just bend space, returning ego, rod recharging 20:01:10 oh 20:01:13 yeah 20:01:15 i was just mis-scrolled 20:01:40 so, ideally, i would love to figure out wtf skill_bump is supposed to accomplish, and then rename it or replace all calls to it 20:02:31 I think the idea is just scaling a skill up with a min of 3 * scale 20:02:46 but it *divides* by scale! 20:02:48 so probably skill scaling and handling the 0 skill situation 20:02:56 doesn't it? 20:02:58 no? 20:03:07 does rdiv not involve division? 20:03:20 rdiv is sk * mult / div 20:03:26 and first arg is mult 20:03:57 man. FR do not name functions after the implicit argument that is often omitted 20:04:19 !always be scaling 20:04:20 ABS! A-Always! B-Be! S-Scaling! Always Be Scaling! ALWAYS BE SCALING! 20:05:27 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:07:34 so, skill_bump(sk, n) is like skill_rdiv(sk, 2*n), but with the final result capped to like...4*n? 20:08:05 it computes your skill, then doubles it, unless your skill is too high in which case it less than doubles 20:08:51 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:09:34 -!- scorchgeek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:09:51 i guess it's not capped to 4*n but it's capped to *something*. i guess the bonus it will add is at most 3*n, would be more correct 20:09:53 oh yeah, what I said about it "handling 0 skill" is wrong 20:10:09 if you have 0 skill it returns 0 20:10:11 yes 20:10:46 this is doubling your skill but with a breakpoint it won't go beyond 20:11:03 so right, its max is (sk + 3) * scale 20:11:34 ah 20:11:44 that's a better way to algebra it 20:12:46 so, the only thing i think this makes sense for at all is lucy, where you kinda want to make it a little more useful even at low invo 20:13:12 beogh smite is granted when? 20:13:14 ??beogh 20:13:14 beogh[1/7]: The Orc god. Only Orcs can worship Beogh, although they can do so as soon as they find an orc priest to convert them. Powers include Smiting, Orcish Allies, Life saving, and Water Walking. Likes killing things and sacrificing orc corpses. 20:13:17 ??beogh[2 20:13:17 beogh[2/7]: Beogh gives you virtual armour skill levels based on your piety (+.5 to +2.5). 20:13:20 ??beogh[3 20:13:20 beogh[3/7]: At 5* grants the ability to give named followers ONE item each. At 6* grants the ability to resurrect, revive and convert dead orcs. 20:13:30 ??beogh[4 20:13:30 beogh[4/7]: The green rat evaporates and reforms as an orc! B - a wand of polymorph other {zapped: 1} The orc falls on its knees before you. It asks, "Are you our saviour?" 20:13:34 fine, learndb, be that way 20:13:36 it's early 20:13:44 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:12 **.... 20:14:28 oh, and this is for spell power, isn't it? 20:14:57 yes 20:15:03 yeah, you wouldn't remove that invocations term from the calculation, obviously 20:15:10 power of 12 + bump(invo, 6) 20:15:18 this change was made somewhat recently, iirc 20:15:24 which? 20:15:39 making it depend...well maybe it just depends more strongly on invo 20:16:05 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16:05 it was a change to beogh smiting wrt how it scaled with invo 20:16:08 fwiw git log -S skill_bump shows no changes since 2014 20:16:19 well no, skill_bump wasn't itself changed 20:17:07 there was a recent commit by MPA to remove the calls to compute invo enhancers, since none of those exist 20:17:23 but otherwise nothing has touched a line including skill_bump for two years 20:17:28 %git 2d413e0a87bfb5e079ffb8e4b6bdb194c402545c 20:17:28 07Lasty02 * 0.17-a0-41-g2d413e0: Make Beogh Smite scale with Invocations better 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2d413e0a87bf 20:18:06 %git 8aea26c63a0ae5e2856926b9ef9142405f9ad6e8 20:18:06 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-906-g8aea26c: Make Zin's Recite a little more powerful at very low invo 10(1 year, 11 months ago, 1 file, 10+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8aea26c63a0a 20:18:07 so that's referencing the pow 20:18:15 which comes from that skill_bump calculation 20:18:35 but anyhow beogh smiting no longer depending on invocations would be a gameplay change, is what I'm sayign 20:18:45 oh for sure, we wouldn't want to take that away 20:18:47 obviously it doesn't need to call skill_bump in order to make the calculation 20:18:51 it should depend on invo, but not skill_bump 20:19:18 note in that commit i linked, PF basically inlined skill bump 20:20:01 almost! 20:20:05 yeah, i know 20:20:24 inlined it and also decided he doesn't care what happens at small invo 20:22:43 -!- qguv has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24:01 -!- SaintRoka has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:26:13 random question 20:26:49 how much of poison arrow's damage output will work on an rPois enemy? 20:26:49 I know that against poison immune it's 30% 20:27:02 imo, ask in ##crawl 20:27:08 ...derp 20:27:32 -!- gressdown is now known as gresup 20:27:38 -!- gresup is now known as gressup 20:29:25 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:34:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:34:38 -!- SaintRoka has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:35:12 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:39:05 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:40:43 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 20:44:29 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 20:52:12 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:17 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:07:46 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:09:14 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:12 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:24 j 21:19:51 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:29 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:20:29 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest89076 21:24:35 -!- Guest89076 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:30:31 So back in the olden days, before there was 'wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww', there was 'jjjjjjjjjjjj'? 21:30:31 ww-keys deactivated 21:31:12 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:31:46 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:31:55 people still use vikeys, distressingly 21:33:20 Some people want crawl vikeys to be moved to wasd 21:33:55 who's some people 21:34:06 Some guy I heard mentioning it a few days ago 21:34:23 He must be representative of some group out there 21:38:41 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 21:40:31 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:45:13 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:45:17 more like fun elves amirite 21:47:18 there was one guy asking in here and on reddit like half a year ago about some really extensive remapping to make all the other keys fit his wasd scheme 21:47:22 oh actually it was that he wanted all keys on the left hand 21:47:47 wasn't it more recent? 21:47:59 i dunno 21:48:13 he filed a mantis issue, right? because our modifier key support was busted 21:48:29 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:48:41 get rekt, it was in march 21:49:14 (so, technically more recent than half a year, but i still claim the win) 21:51:01 ahh 21:51:03 !bug 10526 21:51:03 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10526 21:51:06 was thinking of this guy 21:53:36 -!- Telnaior has quit [Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit:] 21:54:51 ??crawlian 21:54:51 crawlian ~ crawl[1/14]: a wretched hive of scum and ascii 21:54:59 appropriate 21:55:40 -!- owl has joined ##crawl-dev 21:57:31 amalloy: what key layout do you use? 21:58:01 for crawl? 21:58:01 yeah 21:58:01 almost totally standard, a couple macros 21:58:06 Macros?! 21:58:08 I mean for movement, just vikeys? 21:58:10 yes 21:58:11 -!- Undo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:58:33 also my OS has 1234567890 swapped with !@#$%^&*(), so that's kinda relevant to crawl 21:59:02 I use numbers for macros 21:59:33 oh which I don't need many, mostly one for zz; don't even need the aa one in trunk 21:59:38 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:59:49 basically the only "macro" i use is 1 -> r1. the other macros are just remappings 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:05 like 5 is a little annoying since it needs a shift and it's in the middle of the number row, so i put rest on - 22:00:21 yeah I have some read/quaff assignments as well, but I forget to use those 22:00:29 I should though 22:00:36 yeah i'm trying to get more into the habit 22:00:48 the only oens i regularly remember are r1 for ?id and r3 for recharge 22:00:51 i think r2 is tele 22:02:22 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:01 PleasingFungus: your comment about hell effects wasn't actually in Dracunos' thread 22:07:07 i know that? 22:07:43 i was replying to the post immediately above mine 22:07:50 " I am doing a 15 rune run for kicks like this atm" 22:08:56 -!- aditya has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:09:25 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 22:10:39 -!- Darkwing_Drake has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:11:04 !lg * ktyp=petrification 22:11:12 35. raskol the Ogre Mage (L11 OgEE of Fedhas), turned to stone in the Abyss on 2011-11-08 07:30:30, with 9447 points after 17114 turns and 1:14:44. 22:11:19 !lg * ktyp=petrification x=dam 22:11:23 35. [dam=-9999] raskol the Ogre Mage (L11 OgEE of Fedhas), turned to stone in the Abyss on 2011-11-08 07:30:30, with 9447 points after 17114 turns and 1:14:44. 22:11:28 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 22:11:36 did petrification used to be instakill like nethack? 22:17:18 ktyp=petrification is for when you passwall into a wall that's too deep 22:17:20 which instakills you 22:17:33 -!- xormask has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:17:50 it has nothing to do with the petrify effect, which wasn't introduced for players until later 22:18:05 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:13 that...can't happen anymore, right? 22:20:35 right 22:20:56 oldcrawl is a strange world 22:21:27 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:43 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:23:04 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: dammit jim] 22:23:06 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest54873 22:24:51 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:25:32 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:27:49 -!- Guest54873 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:30:51 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:33:48 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 22:35:40 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:36:07 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:12 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:40:57 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:44:31 Does weapon acquirement take into account formacid for gifting 2h weapons even if they have high shield skill? 22:44:46 yes 22:44:48 yes 22:46:56 minmay wrote a big summary of acquirement some time back, Dracunos 22:47:03 you may want to look it up 22:48:27 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:50:04 -!- scorchgeek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:50:17 -!- } has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:50:37 the problem is it recommends wand acquirement sometimes 22:50:40 * ProzacElf ducks 22:51:47 yeah, nothing I hate more than wands of hasting and heal wounds 22:52:05 FR: wand of flame war 22:52:17 lol 22:53:29 I actually play with a no heal wounds conduct because it's unrealistic. And don't get me started on "magical speed". 22:53:39 Ah, cool, I'll tell th guy I was discussing it with, thanks 22:54:07 fr: vine formicid race 22:54:20 sounds op 22:54:42 6 arms, dual-wielded 2h weapons, and a shield 22:54:48 only 3 rings though 22:54:53 more than that would be silly 22:58:56 take it easy, 22:59:51 !cmd .elrank !lg * br=lair lvl<8 kmap!~entry kmap!~uniq kmap!~special_ kmap!~altar kmap!= s=kmap 22:59:52 Redefined command: .elrank => !lg * br=lair lvl<8 kmap!~entry kmap!~uniq kmap!~special_ kmap!~altar kmap!= s=kmap 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:25 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:26 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:06:01 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:36 -!- cait has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0/20160822111414]] 23:10:04 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:10:40 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 23:21:17 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:23:29 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:23:54 -!- bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:24:01 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest24455 23:25:04 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:28:14 -!- Guest24455 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:30:33 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:24 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:34:13 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:34:38 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:34:51 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:56 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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