00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:23 -!- qguv has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:04:00 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:21 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:20 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:28 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1216-g363869b (34) 00:10:51 -!- eb has quit [] 00:12:29 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 00:13:26 -!- miek_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:18:03 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:28 did you see this? it's a little adorable https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21236 00:22:37 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:16 -!- Nomi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:46 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:05 -!- grammu has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:30 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:30:20 -!- Grammus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:31:59 -!- Grammus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:45 -!- grammu has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:35:36 twelwe is a miracle of the universe 00:35:44 that web page is a little to real for me 00:42:43 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:42:54 someone on /r/dcss is ranking portal branches, and his review of labyrinth includes: "Somewhat tedious for usually not a ton of loot" 00:43:44 too little loot is not on my list of lab problems 00:46:05 for them loot is a rewarding maze solving experience, amalloy 00:46:34 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:47:30 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:48:27 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:52:09 -!- Jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:58:26 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:11 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:03:04 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:06:55 [Bailey] is always pretty easy if you know you can take down an Orc Warlord. 01:09:55 -!- Jafet has quit [Quit: Jafet] 01:09:59 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:10:30 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:10:35 orc warlords are easy just use \paralysis on them 01:10:52 other reasons pakellas was bogus: can cast paralysis while silenced 01:11:36 "was bogus" 01:11:38 was he nerfed 01:11:39 ??pakellas 01:11:39 pakellas[1/2]: Pakellas the Inventive, god of devices; new for 0.18. Blocks MP regeneration and hates channeling; instead you get access to MP on kills, {quick charge}, {device surge}, and gifts of evokables. At 6*, you also get a one-off {supercharge} of a wand or rod. Disabled in trunk, hopefully back by 0.19. 01:11:42 ??pakellas[2 01:11:42 pakellas[2/2]: Q - 43 potions of magic 01:11:46 oh 01:11:48 erased 01:12:13 I mean, that's a bit of a nerf 01:12:52 that message of hopefully back by 0.19 is rather hopeful itself 01:12:58 I wonder if you could balance him better by making his conduct extremely obnoxious 01:13:06 like "hates killing enemies without using evocations" 01:13:34 so you'd basically have to use wand charges more 01:14:10 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:22:20 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:23:32 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:28:06 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 01:37:33 -!- AlexDCSS1 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.1/20160817112116]] 01:44:05 koboldina: that sounds extremely obnoxious though 01:44:08 -1 to that idea 01:44:24 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:44:31 koboldina: crawl is not a game that supports 'last-hitting' mechanics 01:44:32 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 01:44:44 |amethyst: nice :) 01:45:17 well pleasingfungus I meant more like 01:45:29 "it's against pak's rules to attack anything with a weapon or a spell" 01:45:37 not so much that the killing blow has to be an evoke 01:46:00 would that even be playable? 01:46:09 yes 01:46:11 assuming you had a rod 01:46:20 lotta 5ing 01:46:30 it would be an exercise in misery and inventory management but no more than, like, playing a nemelex character 01:46:42 exercise in misery sounds like what we really aim for with our designs 01:46:48 meet a troll, you have a rod of inaccuracy which doesn't damage it faster than it regens 01:47:01 I think it's probably difficult to design an evoc god that isn't an exercise in miserable item management 01:47:17 but I mean one man's misery is another man's cup of tea 01:47:33 some people would say minecraft is dumb and autismal, other people like to spend ten hours a day building monoliths in it 01:47:55 eve online is basically "spreadsheets in space" etc 01:48:10 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:48:40 yeah but this pakellas idea is worse than those games 01:48:50 ok, that's probably true :P 01:49:17 worse than eve..... 01:49:22 wow, I may have to seriously re-evaluate my life choices, i only play these three games... 01:49:25 I feel like Pakellas would be fine if he just didn't let you have unlimited recharging 01:50:01 what do you get from pakellas then? evo enhancer, gifts, and perhaps a magic conduct. Sounds like a thin god 01:50:21 it would need a replacement of some kind obviously 01:50:45 what about replacing pakellas with an amulet of evocations, which is an evo enhancer 01:51:05 maybe making it randart, or a ring... 01:51:30 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:51:31 imo pak's recharging would be fine if it was higher cost 01:51:44 if you made the piety cost, like, qazlal upheaval tier 01:52:23 On my most recent DD I was trying to only use the recharge when I was at full MP 01:53:01 that might be another interesting way to balance it, like make it totally wipe out your mp and make it only usable at 100% mp 01:53:33 and maybe cut back on the number of potions of magic he gives because it was kinda ludicrous 01:55:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:55:22 i really wonder if there's any way to get automatic recharging to work 01:55:41 a chance whenever you gain piety or kill a monster or whatever 01:55:52 the issue with that is people would just keep dropping more circumstancial wands so the only ones that would get recharged would be the really good ones 01:56:07 i don't think that's the problem 01:56:16 or, in fact, a problem 01:56:41 enh, i guess it is from another angle 01:56:55 >the less wands you have in your inventory, the less chance the automatic recharge will happen 01:56:59 it is if you're a DD 01:57:06 just ditch every wand but heal wounds 01:57:17 so what? 01:57:25 fair 01:57:33 you can do the exact same thing with manual recharge 01:57:52 well isn't manual recharge the core mechanic that makes pak sorta broken tho 01:57:57 it just seems really awkward for a god of wands to disincentive carrying other wands around 01:58:08 the main problem with the manual recharge ability is that you end up 'wasting' resources whenever you're at full mp and kill something - there's encouragement to manually recharge stuff whenever you hit full 01:58:32 maybe recharge should only cost piety, not mp 01:59:28 the mp conduct generally is not great 01:59:35 as long as it's tied to strategic resources 01:59:52 the whole mp mechanic with pak just seems slightly awkward and forced and results in (43 potions of magic), maybe you'd consider just making him hate spellcasting in general unless that is too close to trog 01:59:58 that was the original implementation, and the reason it was changed to the mp thing 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:05 but there's probably room for other conducts in carwl 02:00:06 *crawl 02:00:12 ??pakellas[2 02:00:12 pakellas[2/2]: Q - 43 potions of magic 02:00:15 feh 02:00:20 only 43? 02:00:23 !log 02:00:24 131. wormsofcan, XL11 KoHu, T:14869: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/wormsofcan/morgue-wormsofcan-20160605-043710.txt 02:00:26 ??pakellas 02:00:26 pakellas[1/2]: Pakellas the Inventive, god of devices; new for 0.18. Blocks MP regeneration and hates channeling; instead you get access to MP on kills, {quick charge}, {device surge}, and gifts of evokables. At 6*, you also get a one-off {supercharge} of a wand or rod. Disabled in trunk, hopefully back by 0.19. 02:00:30 ??device surge 02:00:30 device surge[1/1]: {Pakellas}' 3* ability. Spend up to 9 MP to get up to 3 evocations {enhancer}s on your next use of an evokable. Enhancers are determined by MP spent; maximum MP used is determined by piety. 02:00:32 &dump 02:00:34 https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/morgue/wormsofcant/wormsofcant.txt 02:00:37 making pak hate spellcasting but not spell memorization or spell training might be interesting 02:00:39 ugh, wrong server 02:00:44 so you could situationally cast if you were willing to eat some pak wrath 02:00:53 enhhhh 02:00:57 right now it's already situational casting 02:01:06 like he doesn't hate magic itself, just using it to solve problems since it's uncreative or whatever 02:01:30 seems like training up magic skills solely for emergency casting would be a real bad use of xp 02:01:33 well yes but with the way I'm proposing you'd be able to get rid of the fiddly mp mechanic and introduce a meaningful disincentive to casting spells 02:01:38 oh wait 02:01:40 why not just do what i said 02:01:46 pf I'm not so sure about that, what about spells like pog 02:01:47 &dump wormsofcan 02:01:47 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/wormsofcan/wormsofcan.txt 02:01:50 there 02:01:57 n - 93 potions of magic 02:02:01 I'd totally waste exp on blink or pog just for emergency casts 02:02:04 remove the piety cost from quick charge, and remove the potion of magic accum stuff 02:02:08 er, remove the mp cost* 02:02:19 that seems like it'd fix the obvious problems? 02:02:37 well, that would work too, but you'd still need to significantly bump quick charge's piety cost or it'd probably still be a little op 02:02:42 sure, that's easy 02:02:43 that's just numbers 02:02:49 !source ability.cc 02:02:49 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ability.cc 02:03:04 it might be cooler actually to like 02:03:20 have quick charge be more like disaster area tier piety cost, but guaranteed to fully recharge a wand or rod 02:03:25 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:03:30 maybe even let it improve rods because at that point it's definitely not spammable 02:03:43 would go really well with supercharge 02:03:46 pak would need a new * ability 02:04:11 also even if it's disaster area piety cost you're still getting a permanent bonus 02:04:28 don't most people use supercharge on a rod anyway, lightli? would be cool to incentivise people to choose a wand instead sometimes 02:04:40 hw wands is a good candidate for supercharge 02:04:48 the only reason wands are allowed for supercharge is felids 02:05:41 otherwise the ability would be better and simpler and not allow that at all 02:05:41 encouraging people to use it on wands is not something that's a goal 02:05:41 kiku necronom/pain brand, lugonu distortion brand, etc 02:05:41 those are one-time 02:05:44 actually i have no idea what your points is from listing those? 02:05:45 hmm 02:06:27 you could just get around quick charge and have it so if you zap an empty wand you just consume the MP directly 02:06:36 and scale the MP drained with the quality of the wand 02:06:42 er, wand charges 02:07:26 I've picked HW with supercharge because it makes recharging it more effective 02:07:26 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:07:30 which is nice as a DD or the like 02:08:47 -!- koboldina_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:03 -!- koboldina has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:10:03 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:10:28 i still think he could maybe gift some suitable number of ?recharge at * and then either no ability or TBD there 02:10:35 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:10:58 that way you have some guaranteed extra recharge but not unlimited 02:10:58 -!- koboldina_ is now known as koboldina 02:11:02 the entire point is to have unlimited recharge, ProzacElf. 02:11:07 got disconnected bluh 02:11:10 although CanOfWorms's idea sounds maybe workable too 02:11:25 i thought the unlimited recharge was the biggest problem though? 02:11:42 that's the blissful paradox of pak 02:12:17 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:12:41 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:44 lol 02:13:07 ok, gift 1 ?recharge over whatever timer is deemed appropriate? 02:13:54 f - 42 scrolls of recharging 02:14:00 lol 02:14:04 feels like we'd be in the same place as the magic potions 02:14:51 except better for mummies and kind of obsoleting supercharge completely for rods, i guess 02:16:16 lol 02:16:16 fair point 02:16:16 hey ontoclasm I may have a nicer blue hair duvessa for you soon 02:16:22 i mean, the one way, if you're not using your resource, you're wasting it. the other way, you end up with stockpiles 02:16:38 i think pure piety is maybe better, just because there's a lot of fuzz there 02:16:43 well, that was why i suggested a one time gift of X 02:16:46 ya 02:16:48 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 02:16:53 but maybe just big piety cost would work 02:17:11 maybe swap it with overcharge 02:17:14 er 02:17:15 i'd want to talk to gammafunk or mpa about it, probably 02:17:16 device surge 02:17:24 so that you'd need more than 1 piety for the recharge too 02:17:26 note that i think the mp cost works fine on device surge 02:17:33 and you could also get away with a bigger piety cost 02:17:34 recharge is currently 2-3 piety 02:17:47 i mean more than one * 02:17:56 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:18:00 that's... a lot of piety 02:18:03 oh 02:18:06 you mean as a threshold 02:18:09 yeah 02:18:10 sorry 02:18:13 why do you want to swap it? 02:18:30 i don't particularly, i'm just throwing ideas at the wall 02:18:49 it'd probably be fine either way 02:18:51 idk 02:19:07 i was just thinking if you're using it a lot it'd be harder to keep the minimum piety to use it 02:19:12 if it was at the 3* threshold 02:19:40 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:19:52 ya, maybe 02:19:59 i feel like you'd want some reason to have higher piety 02:20:11 maybe if it's more efficient at high piety (and that's clearly communicated)? 02:20:19 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 02:20:19 so you don't want to burn down to 3* all the time 02:20:34 that could work 02:20:34 or if there's some other advantage for being at higher pieties 02:21:14 still vaguely worried that you'd want to burn it every time you hit 6*, but that's a lot more flexible at least 02:21:34 might still be better if there was some passive benefit to being at higher *s, instead 02:21:34 yeah, there's really no reason at all to stockpile piety as it stands 02:22:07 since mp regen effectively limits it more than piety currently 02:22:49 although i think it may technically be optimal to quick charge every time you have 1 mp or whatever the minimum was? 02:23:43 not sure 02:27:07 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:28:34 haha--doesn't matter now! 02:29:03 ya 02:29:10 i would be very surprised if that came back 02:29:46 "Try out new Pak! Exactly the same as old Pak, but shinier!" 02:31:07 ooo 02:31:08 shiny.... 02:34:32 -!- Undo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:35:40 -!- bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:42:27 why not... gift ?recharge occasionally???? 02:42:45 oh, ProzacElf suggested that 02:43:21 evo enhancer scales with piety, spend piety to recharge 02:45:55 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:47:20 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:49:06 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 02:49:20 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 02:49:39 chequers: that's the direction i was leaning, but i'm not sure how fine-grained our control over evo enhancement is 02:52:01 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:53:17 New branch created: pull/328 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/328 02:53:18 03GenericPseudonym02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/328 * 0.19-a0-1217-gc5649d3: Don't let haste + finesse bring the player below 0.2 attack delay. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c5649d374fa7 02:53:39 instead of measuring it in chokos, sultanas would be more granular XD 02:54:04 hm, that looks like a good pr 02:54:08 .....haste + finesse could do that? 02:54:17 with a quickblade 02:54:18 i thought 0.2 was a hard limit 02:54:19 apparently 02:54:24 it's supposed to be! 02:54:27 lol 02:54:52 qblades can't get speed brand right? 02:54:57 because it's basically already baked in 02:55:18 just repro'd 02:55:19 yes 02:55:31 huh 02:55:32 wacky 02:55:36 Time: 444.5 (0.1) 02:55:46 lol 02:55:48 nice 02:56:02 although i can count on zero hands the number of times i used a quickblade with oka 02:56:05 heh 02:56:14 i don't immediately understand the code in the pr, so i'm gonna leave that for wheals or |amethyst 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:39 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.1/20160817112116]] 03:17:18 -!- Homage_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 03:18:08 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1216-g363869b (34) 03:18:41 -!- qguv has quit [Quit: bye] 03:19:52 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:21:08 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:22:04 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:37:22 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:41:05 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:45:38 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:45:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:49:30 what breaks if melee attacks take 1 AUT? 03:50:54 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:51:13 -!- Abaxvahl has quit [] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:27 -!- demok has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01:02 -!- demok has joined ##crawl-dev 04:05:35 -!- qguv has quit [Quit: bye] 04:07:10 -!- TuxQmooob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:11:55 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:20:54 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:31:26 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:37 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:46:59 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:47:05 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:47:28 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest90388 04:47:59 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:50:40 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:52:40 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:54:16 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:04:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:11:15 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 05:15:31 -!- tiltorax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:17:20 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:17:47 weird pak tech: reduce your maxmp (with dd recharge or antimagic) to get more quickcharges 05:18:03 I think this works but haven't tested it 05:39:05 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:46:19 -!- } has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:15 -!- glosham has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:36:26 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:58:36 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02:27 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:03:42 -!- jefus has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 07:03:44 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:15:38 -!- Guest90388 is now known as debo 07:30:14 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:33:33 -!- Pekkekk has quit [] 07:38:16 -!- Implojin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:53:46 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus hm... that PR is wrong 07:53:46 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:30 -!- Kranix has quit [Client Quit] 08:05:55 -!- Telnaior has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:06:05 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus oh, not so bad, just needs an 'else' 08:06:05 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:07:22 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:22 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:23 -!- } has left ##crawl-dev 08:10:48 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:14:42 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:31:18 IMO finesse being less good than normal with quickblades isn't a good feature anyway 08:32:05 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:32:06 we should let people have their 0.15 attack delay rather than making it mysteriously less good than with every other weapon 08:33:12 -!- Telnaior has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:33:33 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:34:58 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:40 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:42:24 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Changing host] 08:45:02 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:45:03 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:46:57 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:57:41 -!- Implojin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:16 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 09:01:31 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:40 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:27 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:11:06 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:34 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:18:11 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:52 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:24:41 why are hell sentinels hellfiring/damning fire vortices instead of the player 09:24:54 this is funny 09:31:32 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:32:21 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:38 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:47:17 -!- Jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:48:19 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:51:08 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:01 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:38 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:53:56 -!- gressup has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:25 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:58:33 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08:09 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: going to cut myself] 10:08:47 -!- hueads is now known as Tiltorax 10:08:51 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:16:34 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:18:48 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:24 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:49 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:25 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:27:41 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 10:28:03 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:29:07 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:34:03 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:35:11 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:35:45 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:32 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 10:38:22 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:17 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:47 -!- Abaxvahl has quit [] 10:40:32 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:42:05 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:46:51 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:52:12 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:55:32 under four weeks until stone soup's tenth birthday 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:00 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:05:30 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:11 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:12 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:10:42 is there gonna be a 10th anniversary blog post of sorts 11:22:40 -!- sgiratch has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:22:52 -!- xormask has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:29:53 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:36:58 -!- vermi is now known as vermifax 11:37:25 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38:11 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:04 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:47:12 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:48:04 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:48:25 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:47 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:15 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:54:35 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 11:57:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:36 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:08 -!- xormask has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:42 fr: mindelay = crawl version 12:13:40 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:55 %git 12:13:55 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1216-g363869b: Remove Beogh's base armour bonus 10(19 hours ago, 4 files, 3+ 54-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/363869b07b29 12:13:55 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:16:24 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:19 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:01 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:40:28 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:41:12 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:05 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:43:47 03GenericPseudonym02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/328 * 0.19-a0-1218-g94bf572: Add the missing Else. Whoops! 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/94bf57248d7c 12:45:43 The Missing Else 12:48:32 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:59 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:21 !seen wheals 12:51:21 I last saw wheals at Tue Aug 23 15:38:11 2016 UTC (1h 13m 10s ago) joining the channel. 12:51:40 hi! 12:51:48 when is the stone soup birthday 12:51:49 ? 12:52:05 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.games.roguelike.misc/6eyToSgkY2g/fAbqXbd2Bk0J september 19th 12:52:34 lol 12:52:37 day after my talk 12:53:04 hah 12:53:21 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 12:53:40 i love their description of it 12:53:58 a 'mildly self-mocking name', stone soup 12:54:44 !* Sif Muna appreciates spell skill training, not mere spellcasting. 12:54:46 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:54:56 lasted that way for 10 years... 12:55:01 i like the spell level changes 12:55:16 cblink to 8 from 4, sure. borg's from 6 to 5... 12:55:31 huh, tso had a lightning bolt invo 12:56:02 huh, for some reason i thought the 'hillbilly sting' lasted into stone soup 12:56:07 from the way people talked about it 12:56:31 In short, curare-tipped needles kill things dead. Expect a nerf soon; 12:57:12 / Trying to use a rod of striking without any mana no longer confuses you. 12:58:31 ...4.1 had cursed ammo? 12:58:59 hillbilly sting might have been revived somehow in one of the ranged reworks 12:59:14 hm, maybe! 12:59:21 also 0.1 apparently didn't support monster shields 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:34 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:58 -!- jooles has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:08:58 huh, for some reason i thought the 'hillbilly sting' lasted into stone soup 13:09:01 it DID last into stone soup 13:09:26 -!- charly_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:10:28 are you saying erisdiscordia would lie to me? 13:11:56 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1216-g363869b (34) 13:18:10 woo, two weeks of logs to read 13:18:10 Brannock: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:21:15 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:23:55 they only talk about how handsome you are and how great your code is 13:25:32 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28:34 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:35:51 03PleasingFungus02 07[desolation] * 0.19-a0-1228-gf59b97f: Better salt floor tiles 10(30 seconds ago, 6 files, 6+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f59b97f4b7fd 13:38:36 haha, in that 10-year-old thread: "(Keep in mind that all my incredible wins are vastly more a product of dying and retrying than they are of some Marvin-like skill. :-D)" 13:39:29 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:41:57 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:42:55 marvinian 13:43:02 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:19 as it were 13:43:30 -!- Zekka__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:43:41 cursed to be forever in the shadow of the more famous marvin :( 13:44:03 sad! 13:44:23 tbh i'd assumed it was you - forgot there was another 13:44:30 ??marvinpa 13:44:30 marvinpa[1/5]: Isn't marvin from NetHack. Also not from Pennsylvania. 13:44:45 quite a famous nethack player 13:45:12 ahh 13:45:31 i hadn't heard of him either until people confused me with him, though :P 13:46:07 but i think most nethack players would have, lots of big highscores and crazy streaks i think 13:46:08 it's simple. you're the android, he's the martian 13:46:45 i have no evidence that this other marvin is named after the martian, but i have no evidence that he's not 13:46:55 convincing enough 13:48:42 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:49:04 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:49:10 named after? scores like that, he probably is martian 13:49:27 imagine the lag! 13:50:46 the secret to his success! he plays so carefully because he's got a lot of time to think between turns 13:52:04 huh, the distance between earth and mars varies a lot according to orbits. which i guess shouldn't surprise me but i hadn't really thought about 13:52:04 closest they get is 3 light-minutes, and furthest is 22 13:52:13 heh 13:52:28 -!- TuxQmooob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:55:03 fwiw when I was playing while away on vacation I actually found it much easier to survive early game situations since I had like 5 seconds of lag between turns to reflect 13:55:05 chequers, have you made any progress on lifting cszo morgues for your p357 scoreboard? 13:55:24 and, finally, is there a way to easily check "characters with rElec who died to electric golem"? 13:55:36 I could look for morgues of characters who died to egolem and manually check for rElec 13:55:55 there is no easy way, no 13:55:59 drat 13:56:00 you could look for, like, gargoyles 13:56:08 good idea 13:56:20 !lg * killer="electric golem" gr 13:56:21 13. playitleo the Impregnable (L27 GrFi of The Shining One), blasted by an electric golem (bolt of lightning) on Zig:21 on 2016-08-18 04:58:29, with 659615 points after 63436 turns and 6:42:28. 13:56:26 headshot! 13:56:32 !lg * killer="electric golem" gr s=place 13:56:33 13 games for * (killer='electric golem' gr): 5x Zot:5, 3x Zig:21, 2x WizLab, Zig:26, Zig:27, Zot:1 13:56:35 wow, only 13 13:56:48 they're pretty late-game, and not super common even there 13:57:24 yeah, I usually only see them on Zot:$, and even then they're not that common 13:57:34 I've had far more games lacking them completely than I have had ancient liches or orbs of fire 13:58:32 i usually dive zot, but i feel like i see more elec golems early than i do OOFs 13:58:44 in zot:5 itself, yes, more OOFs and aliches than elec golems 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:05 yeah, they are a bit more common in Zot:1-4 than OOFs 14:00:08 { 1, 5, 89, FALL, MONS_ELECTRIC_GOLEM }, 14:00:11 about twice as common as OOFs 14:00:18 but zot:5 has guaranteed oofs 14:00:40 objstat says about 4 egolems per zot, ~2.5 of which are in zot:5 14:02:43 I think I had a game in which I never saw an OoF 14:02:43 it was ancient lich hell instead 14:02:43 there are three different zot:5s 14:03:05 one, i think, is the alich one 14:04:33 -!- koboldina has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:41 !seen canofowrms 14:04:41 Sorry koboldina, I haven't seen canofowrms. 14:04:43 !seen canofworms 14:04:44 I last saw CanOfWorms at Tue Aug 23 08:54:15 2016 UTC (9h 10m 28s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]'. 14:05:51 !seen koboldina 14:05:51 I last saw koboldina at Tue Aug 23 18:05:05 2016 UTC (46s ago) saying 'is anyone here good at using Gimp? the linux art thing' on ##crawl. 14:06:23 i used to use gimp a decent amount, but i'm years out of practice... 14:08:01 hmm the logs at s-z.org/crawl-dev will download larger files instead of opening in browser. not a big deal, but I'm curious why it does that. I use Chrome 14:08:21 try clicking on the 'view log' link 14:08:26 instead of the .lg link 14:08:33 ah, that does it 14:10:02 -!- smee has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:10:38 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:16:04 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19:54 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:28:58 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:17 is a certain... KOBOLD looking forme 14:29:18 -!- robotcentaur has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:04 a female kobold, or koboldina? 14:32:07 the koboldina♀ pokemon 14:32:17 beware its poison spurs! 14:33:39 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:51 brb getting master balls 14:36:00 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 14:37:59 -!- qguv has quit [Quit: bye] 14:40:20 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:50 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:53:52 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:56:10 -!- Homage_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 14:56:35 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:29 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:13:46 which file would I look at to see how the code determines which branches are chosen for the S brancheS? 15:13:59 branch.cc, branch.h, and branch-data.h doesn't seem to have what I want 15:14:14 ng-init.cc 15:14:32 Thank you 15:14:50 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:48 -!- DarkwingDuck has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:31:40 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:32:04 -!- royiv has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:35:12 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:01 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:38:46 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: gnight] 15:41:58 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:42:01 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:39 ontoclasm, what's your opinion on Shoals ground tiles brightness? I feel like they're a bit too bright, especially the sand tiles, and it can make it hard to easily discern monsters against the tiles 15:42:55 -!- MIC132 has quit [Client Quit] 15:43:14 The bright-green grass tiles that spawn in a few forest vaults have a similar problem 15:44:41 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:04 Brannock: well the bright-green grass is awful and needs to be replaced wholesale 15:47:10 (but grass is hard to draw) 15:47:24 the shoals sand used to be even brighter, but it could certainly go even darker xD 15:47:48 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/shoals/shoalstimelapse.png 15:48:09 oh man 15:48:10 old shoals 15:48:12 that brings back memories 15:48:17 old shoals water 15:49:21 you can see in the middle the sort of reddish color i wanted 15:49:32 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1217-gbd4eae2: Update some monster descriptions 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 136+ 199-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bd4eae289672 15:49:45 panel 2 kraken... 15:49:45 closer to clay, yeah 15:49:45 i'd gladly change the ground to look more like that 15:49:52 wow! 15:50:03 rip repulsive nagas 15:50:13 preferably i'd get a better texture; the current one is just... noise 15:50:19 because sand is just noise right 15:50:23 yes 15:50:28 absolutely 15:50:28 the texture doesn't help with the issue I mentioned, no 15:50:28 i gave up on doing them all in one go, look forward to K-Z monster updates in another 4 months 15:50:32 ontoclasm 15:50:36 that actually brings up a joke 15:50:39 MarvinPA: hype! 15:50:46 need to find the video 15:50:50 new spell: http://www.google.ca/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DPTAXUYLbFYk&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj_g8HVp9jOAhXH1B4KHSCVCFAQyCkIGDAA&sig2=pAYZEvq2EQ1-uMbcmWNLyA&usg=AFQjCNFf1X2JWvkb06_fP_9rjpOaprOjXA 15:50:52 er. 15:50:54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTAXUYLbFYk 15:50:57 PROJECTED SAND! 15:51:45 i do feel a bit bad about repulsive nagas but there is still lots of good/terrible crawl humour untouched! 15:52:03 why would you feel bad about repulsive nagas? 15:52:06 what's the joke? 15:52:12 what was the joke, rather 15:52:33 or well, not a joke but a weird bit of ancient history 15:52:57 just... that it existed? 15:53:16 yes! that and "you feel a lump in the pit of your stomach" are good weird crawl mysteries 15:53:21 haha 15:53:29 i've wanted to remove the latter for a while 15:53:34 why did exist for so long? nobody knows! 15:53:36 mostly because of my prejudice against glyph-based mechancis 15:53:41 well, 'mechanics', you know 15:53:41 haha 15:54:16 similarly, what is "It is strange and repulsive"? 15:54:19 hm, we no longer document that apoc crabs are no longer related to fire crabs 15:54:23 er, *are related 15:54:34 also, I was working on an unrelated graphic and the green hair reminded me of something: http://puu.sh/qLOWB/59bece38ef.png 15:54:36 this is a critical problem! 15:55:04 Brannock: would appear at the end of nagas' descriptions if you weren't a naga, i think 15:55:04 for some reason every variety of crab said "it's like a fire crab" and that seemed very unnecessary! 15:55:04 lol 15:55:04 CanOfWorms: feels rupertish 15:55:04 oh right you're making a sweet FE mod/remake thing 15:55:04 huh! 15:55:08 pf: it's a dryad :v 15:55:10 fire crab: like a fire crab, but it breathes fire 15:55:13 man I have so many todos for crawl that I compiled on my vacation 15:55:17 it's male 15:55:27 male... or just really buff??? 15:55:32 makes u think 15:55:40