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(master - 80a00a4 #6366 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/152869985 00:09:50 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:10:33 oopsie 00:10:40 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1179-g80a00a4 (34) 00:12:19 looks like a gcc-only error, I'm compiling right now 00:16:47 hrm, this must be an error with an earlier gcc 00:17:40 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:18:26 kind of odd how our travis build seems to do gcc --version only to then set CC and CCX to gcc/g++ 4.7 00:18:43 so that detailed version info we print at the beginning isn't actually what we compile with 00:18:53 yeah this builds fine on my gicc 00:18:56 *gcc 00:19:25 oh, maybe I can install 4.7 on my system 00:22:39 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:31 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:23:35 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:13 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:24:52 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:26:04 hopefully FORCE_CC and FORCE_CXX are the right make arguments 00:26:10 <|amethyst> oh 00:26:15 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:20 <|amethyst> this is because of some special-casing for gcc 4.7 00:26:31 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:27:05 <|amethyst> g++ 4.7 has a bug which makes function<> objects initialised from nullptr not work correctly (they aren't detected as "empty", so evaluate to true rather than false) 00:28:39 <|amethyst> so with g++ 4.7 we use a function pointer here rather than a function<> 00:29:03 <|amethyst> but a lambda with capture doesn't convert to a function pointer 00:30:09 * geekosaur had a vague recollection upon seeing the lambda that something like that might be involved 00:31:05 hrm, is the function pointer you're referring to the () operator of like_response? 00:31:30 <|amethyst> no, the special_piety_t member 00:31:44 aha 00:31:59 <|amethyst> !source godconduct.cc:128 00:31:59 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/godconduct.cc#L128 00:31:59 right, I miscounted the entries in the like_response struct 00:32:12 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:32:31 hah, #if (__GNUC__ * 100 + __GNUC_MINOR__ < 408) 00:32:47 arithmetic to get the version number 00:33:16 I suppose if you want to order them, that's the best way 00:33:54 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 00:33:55 can't wait for gcc 4.100 00:34:19 <|amethyst> yeah, otherwise it's #if __GNUC__ < 4 || __GNUC__ == 4 && __GNUC_MINOR__ < 8 00:34:38 <|amethyst> though since we don't support gcc 3 at all, the first disjunct could be removed 00:35:04 -!- sjl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:35:06 they're already working on gcc6 00:35:28 so to fix that workaround, we're going to need that thing that's currently a lambda to be a function pointer? 00:35:56 well, not to fix the workaround, but to let the workaround actually work, I guess 00:35:59 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:36:27 <|amethyst> another option might be to find a different way to test for nullness rather than if (special) 00:36:35 <|amethyst> then remove the workaround 00:36:47 !tell marvinpa jelly zig levels still put the loot in the center 00:36:47 minmay: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:36:47 minmay: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 00:36:50 !messages 00:36:50 (1/1) MarvinPA said (18h 28m 44s ago): all slimes could always eat items under jiyva, there used to be a "The giant eyeball looks hungrier" message on conversion for stuff that couldn't normally eat items but the message is gone now 00:37:45 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:38:38 on the subject of jiyva 00:38:49 is he supposed to be a dick to you about shifters turned into slime pits stuff 00:38:58 and not let you attack them while they wail on you 00:39:04 'cause that is very weird 00:40:50 can't jellies eat items you haven't seen? 00:40:55 which means zigs still need the loot room 00:41:05 <|amethyst> chequers: not any more, unless you worship Jiyva 00:41:17 <|amethyst> %git :/item-eating 00:41:17 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-1140-g6f6d809: Make jelly item-eating Jiyva only 10(5 weeks ago, 13 files, 25+ 135-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6f6d80984bf4 00:42:34 missed it 00:42:36 apporting a book under you doesn't identify it 00:43:15 <|amethyst> re the function pointer thing, it's not initializing from nullptr that is the problem, but initializing from a function pointer or a function<> that happens to be null 00:44:11 <|amethyst> which unfortunately is a problem because of _on_kill 00:44:54 <|amethyst> (since it initialises the like_response's "special" from a function<> parameter) 00:46:22 <|amethyst> and because you end up with a null pointer in an allegedly non-empty function<> object, you don't get a bad_function_call exception, just a segfault 00:46:35 -!- xormask has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:46:38 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:39 i have an easy fix 00:46:47 if the problem is from my last commit? 00:47:20 right now the parameter is always the same, so we could just make it a static const like_response instead, like with the various kill responses above 00:47:41 instead of having to capture 'level' in the lambda 00:48:03 <|amethyst> yeah... it would be nice to fix this 00:48:15 <|amethyst> hmm 00:53:45 <|amethyst> yeah, the only real "solution" I'm coming up with is to simply never pass in null, and use a do-nothing function as the default 00:53:56 <|amethyst> which sucks 00:54:47 <|amethyst> well, alternatively, drop support for g++ 4.7, but then CAO has to be updated 00:58:19 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1180-g2603968: Fix g++ 4.7 compilation, possibly 10(18 seconds ago, 1 file, 12+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2603968aee93 00:59:09 <|amethyst> huh, the cause of this libstdc++ bug turns out to be an incorrect const specifier 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:06 <|amethyst> in 4.7: template static bool _M_not_empty_function(const _Tp*& __fp) { return __fp; } 01:00:30 <|amethyst> in 4.8: template static bool _M_not_empty_function(_Tp* const& __fp) { return __fp; } 01:03:18 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03:22 <|amethyst> and thanks to SFINAE, this doesn't show up as a compilation error, but rather causes it to a different specialization: the catch-all intended for objects with operator(), which happens to always return true 01:03:35 <|amethyst> s/to a/to use a/ 01:09:48 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1181-g4905290: ID books moved onto the player's square (minmay) 10(21 seconds ago, 1 file, 21+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4905290c28bc 01:09:55 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1180-g2603968 (34) 01:10:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:13:15 -!- Cheibrodos has joined ##crawl-dev 01:13:31 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 01:13:56 got a q for anyone awake 01:13:56 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:14:30 you may have missed the better people by 10 minutes, but ask :) 01:14:31 It it reasonable that a vault on D:11 that spawns multiple 8's doesn't have a runed door? 01:17:15 -!- twelwe_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:18:38 !lg * kmap=dk_rats_in_the_wall 01:18:39 145. TrullSengar the Destroyer (L7 DECj), slain by a river rat on D:5 (dk_rats_in_the_wall) on 2016-07-31 16:33:16, with 923 points after 4749 turns and 0:14:58. 01:18:57 weird vault 01:19:05 Cheibrodos: what vault is this? 01:19:40 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1181-g4905290 (34) 01:19:50 <|amethyst> there are many vaults with multiple 8s and no runed doors 01:21:08 especially if 8 means statue! 01:21:10 :P 01:21:15 I dunno but it looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/zm2EDn8.png 01:21:21 actually i don't think we have that many statue vaults 01:21:24 and it spawns four 8s I believe 01:21:47 big vault 01:23:35 i remember there was some sentiment on the tavern recently about giving bad early vaults runed doors 01:24:26 recent dev trends have been anti-runed-door 01:24:59 <|amethyst> really? 01:25:02 <|amethyst> %git a2274fc 01:25:02 07dpeg02 * 0.19-a0-748-ga2274fc: Runed door for Crazy Yiuf's hut (Arrhythmia) 10(8 weeks ago, 1 file, 5+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a2274fc66aa7 01:25:26 <|amethyst> I assume the justification for that one is also on Tavern 01:26:22 it's because if you're not autoexploring, you can recognize it before you see him, and avoid going into LoS of him 01:26:33 but if you are, autoexplore would just waltz you up in there 01:26:51 <|amethyst> ? 01:26:51 so it makes autoexploring(more) bad compared to not, if there's no runed door 01:27:05 i feel like mpa has been removing runedoors 01:27:07 <|amethyst> I had thought that vault was designed so that you didn't autoexplore right up to Yiuf 01:27:11 but of course nothing is monotonic 01:28:17 maybe at some point before runed door change there was a change but I'm pretty sure autoexplore has brought me into yiuf LoS before 01:29:09 <|amethyst> oh, I guess for the cases where he gets a wand? 01:29:23 <|amethyst> that seems like a fairly special case 01:29:44 Crazy Yiuf (06g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 15-23 | AC/EV: 3/9 | Dam: 9 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(10) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 40 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:29:44 <|amethyst> %??crazy yiuf 01:30:04 <|amethyst> especially since he has low HD so doesn't get good wands 01:30:16 <|amethyst> s/good/top-tier/ 01:30:25 <|amethyst> s/top-tier/& damaging/ 01:30:40 at any rate yiuf's hut is a "spoilery" vault, in that it's quite recognizable, and a runed door that asks "do you really want to open this" helps lower the difference between a player who can recognize the vault and think "this vault contains something dangerous" and a player who doesn't 01:30:50 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:31:32 but autoexploring into a door that exposes four 8's is ok? 01:31:48 I want to see what the vault is. 01:32:24 Then, I will decide whether or not it is OK. 01:32:38 <|amethyst> minmay_radiant doesn't even have a door 01:32:56 <|amethyst> but on D:11 would just give you 9s rather than 8s 01:33:02 I wans't saying that's ok, I was just replying to "some sentiment on the tavern recently about giving bad early vaults runed doors" 01:33:09 and the yiuf hut change 01:33:42 yeah, I am wondering if those are actually 8s 01:33:46 not seeing shadow dragons 01:34:58 Is there a way to tell from character dump? Or is that only after winning 01:35:03 only after winning, or dying 01:35:10 if you'd just gotten killed by this vault, things would be much simpler! 01:35:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 01:36:11 you know, crawl has an awful lot of vaults. 01:38:12 i looked through a few hundred and didn't spot one that fit 01:38:31 r-i is away, so i'm out of ideas! 01:38:36 <|amethyst> someone needs to implement a rectangle search 01:38:46 <|amethyst> if it's a vault with multiple 8s, could ask minmay if it's his 01:38:55 lol 01:41:17 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:41:18 The build was fixed. (master - 2603968 #6367 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/152878201 01:41:18 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:42:08 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:09 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:42:29 wow, Cheibrodos 01:44:43 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:44:53 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:47:12 gammafunk: do *you* have any idea what that vault is? 01:47:20 oh, I should look 01:47:31 http://i.imgur.com/zm2EDn8.png 01:48:03 i skimmed through large_abstract, large_themed, mini_monsters, float. no obvious matches 01:48:06 where was this? 01:48:15 he was saying d:12 or s/t? 01:48:18 d:11 01:48:20 ok, let me see 01:48:42 (note to self, go insult chei for that janky screenshot) 01:49:39 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:50:51 <|amethyst> is it normally this hard to tell the difference between out-of-LOS floor and unexplored area? 01:51:34 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1182-g094b998: Vaporize fewer items with lua (Sandman25) 10(64 seconds ago, 19 files, 31+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/094b998292c5 01:51:50 i feel like being offlevel might not be helping, but idk 01:51:56 definitely very low contrast 01:52:54 PleasingFungus: any luck on that hep bug? 01:53:08 the hex thing? haven't looked into it since last time 01:53:11 been working on other stuff 01:54:10 yeah that one. I am looking into current list of simple bugs as you tag 01:55:11 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1181-g4905290 01:55:22 hopefully the ones that i tagged simple actually are! 01:56:50 was paralyze ever a player castable spell? 01:57:04 fairly sure 01:57:52 -!- vale_ has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:57:55 %git 1bff3c05ddd42eda0d5310b4d1f2671aae52815d 01:57:55 07jpeg02 * 0.4-a0-3311-g1bff3c0: Implement the Petrify spell in a rather basic variant, and replace the player spell "Paralyse" with it, i.e. not the wand/potion/misc. effects. 10(8 years ago, 17 files, 290+ 83-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1bff3c05ddd4 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:15 yeah I was asking because I decided to try and win pakellas again 02:02:12 before the whole "not existing anymore" thing hits trunk 02:02:27 high evo paralyze wands are dumb 02:02:45 PleasingFungus: bug 9368 seems to be closed. 02:02:58 oh wow - it's from back in 2014 lol 02:03:20 !bug 9368 02:03:21 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9368 02:03:32 aditya: seems to be fixed, you mean? 02:04:45 yup. I don't see +: anymore. Looks like it's fixed. should be closed I mean 02:05:22 ah, yeah, looks like the alias is gone 02:05:23 rip 02:05:32 ??wand power 02:05:32 wand power[1/1]: 15 + 2.5 * Evocations 02:05:50 OK, closing. 02:05:53 think it was on purpose? I could never get + to work on chrome. : works 02:06:05 yeah, probably an ancient alias was just deprecated and removed 02:06:08 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:08:52 now looking at 10614. If you have nothing in inventory and try to use items from floor, it says you aren't carrying anything. 02:09:00 even though you can now use items from floor. 02:09:40 yeah, i assume it's an early out somewhere in the code 02:10:14 an early return statement 02:10:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:10:45 welp, that vault is hard to track down 02:10:48 -!- zxc has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:11:13 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1182-g094b998 (34) 02:11:20 huh 02:11:24 maybe chei made it up 02:11:29 as a trick 02:11:48 we'll find a way to punish him 02:12:10 |amethyst: do you know of any good way to do a multiple line text much for a block of text (spanning lines) but where you don't know the col offset where it might occur? 02:12:10 dang! 02:12:20 so I could match something like 02:12:20 ccc 02:12:23 c.c 02:12:28 .c. 02:12:41 :c 02:12:49 i c... 02:12:54 but without know at which column it might match? 02:12:59 *knowing 02:13:28 I don't think a multiline regexp can help there 02:13:32 PleasingFungus: what should be expected behavior though? If weilding or wearing items allowed from floor? Or just potions and scrolls (along with M for spells) 02:13:45 sorry, can you rephrase your question? 02:13:59 using complete sentences, maybe 02:14:12 heh 02:14:33 although maybe you can use some of the fancier pcre things to capture and refer to the number of chars preceeding the match of the first line of your pattern 02:16:00 PleasingFungus: as the bug reports, if you drop all inventory items and try to read a scroll or quaff a potion from floor it gives the error that "you're not carrying anything". What should be the expected behvaior? What actions are allowed on items on the floor? Can you weild an item from the floor without picking it up? 02:16:02 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:16:18 you currently can't 02:16:37 you can quaff, read, and eat things from the floor 02:16:57 and memorize spells (subset of read I guess) 02:17:17 sure, though spell memorization from the floor came a long time before the others (not that it matters i guess) 02:18:00 <|amethyst> and eating 02:18:13 !source drink 02:18:13 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc#L1884 02:18:19 aditya: ^ this is the problem for drinking 02:18:27 specifically line 1892 02:18:31 <|amethyst> gammafunk: not sure of a way... it would be much easier if the stuff in question was preceded by indentation only 02:18:39 <|amethyst> s/was/were/ 02:19:10 removing that block might be a fix in itself; i'm not sure what the behavior would be then 02:20:41 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:22:00 aditya: for reference, i found that line by grepping for QUAFF, which found this line in main.cc: 02:22:14 !source main.cc:2141 02:22:15 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/main.cc#L2141 02:22:20 which calls that function 02:22:25 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:24:16 hmm - I was going through item_use for scrolls. 02:24:23 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:24 The build was fixed. (master - 4905290 #6368 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/152879565 02:24:24 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:24:56 PleasingFungus: will have to remove that block only when item_floor has a potion in it. 02:25:27 !source use_an_item 02:25:27 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc#L228 02:25:36 why? 02:25:42 it looks like line 236 there ^ handles this fine 02:26:26 i mean, if we want to perfectly preserve the current behavior we could replace line 1892 with !any_items_of_type(OBJ_POTIONS, -1, true) 02:27:09 it's a little redundant, but i guess maybe it'd be better ui if you fall into one of the other can't-drink categories? idk 02:27:15 not a common case 02:27:15 if we had access to cbro, we could just download the save, quit, and look at the vault dump 02:27:22 johnstein: are you around? 02:27:29 pf 02:27:37 I think chei's vault is the_grid 02:27:50 I'm around. 35 thousand feet 02:27:50 specifically 02:27:50 !vault the_grid 02:27:50 Can't find the_grid. 02:27:51 minmay_the_grid_plus_closed 02:27:55 !vault minmay_the_grid_plus_closed 02:27:55 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/the_grid.des#L148 02:28:04 ohh, no wonder i couldn't find it 02:28:06 that looks plausible 02:28:21 oh 02:28:28 gammafunk: anything wrong? 02:28:52 doesn't look like there are any 8s there 02:28:54 skimming 02:29:11 johnstein: nothing wrong, but wondering if we can get a backup of cheibrodos' save 02:29:20 xcvbnGTUV09%* 02:29:28 er, was it chei's actual game 02:29:30 <|amethyst> there are lots of the_grid_prize subvaults with many 8s 02:29:32 ah, only in the center 02:29:34 yes, i see 02:29:40 the outer stuff is at most 9s 02:29:47 <|amethyst> also, possibly those were actually 9s? 02:29:58 yeah, i was wondering 02:30:01 idk 02:30:07 yaktaur captains are very deep in d's spawn table 02:30:11 <|amethyst> hm, a 9 would be D:16 02:30:26 isn't there some other fuzzing that can happen, or is that an actual cap? 02:30:40 gammafunk: which chei game? (version) 02:30:43 i think that's a cap, idk 02:30:51 !lm cheibrodos trog mu alive 02:30:52 that was my impression 02:30:52 19. [2016-08-17 05:39:57] Cheibrodos the Severer (L13 MuBe of Trog) left the Lair of Beasts on turn 18852. (Lair:1) 02:30:54 !lm cheibrodos trog mu alive x=cv 02:30:55 19. [2016-08-17 05:39:57] [cv=0.19-a] Cheibrodos the Severer (L13 MuBe of Trog) left the Lair of Beasts on turn 18852. (Lair:1) 02:30:58 johnstein: trunk 02:31:09 so, that's the 8s in the center 02:31:11 which makes sense 02:31:31 but what's the problem we have with the vault? 02:31:40 lack of runed doors? 02:31:49 that was chei's objection 02:32:00 the legendary 'auto x-plore trap' 02:32:06 <|amethyst> the general philosophical question, should vaults with multiple 8s be allowed in D without having runed doors? 02:32:08 yeah, we don't really systematically require those 02:32:10 yes 02:32:14 or actually i think the complaint was that he could open a door and see 8s 02:32:40 |amethyst: not even multiple really, since it's the same problem for just one 8 02:33:31 kind of boils down to do we want use of runed doors for 'hard vaults' to be more of a judgement call 02:33:56 perhaps the answer to that is branch-specific, to some extent 02:34:21 like requiring runed doors in depths/zot doesn't seem necessary, not sure requiring that in elf/crypt/vaults would be necessary either 02:34:27 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:34:56 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: btw, I would like to point out that I was right 02:35:00 ! 02:35:06 ? 02:35:07 <|amethyst> regarding the vault author 02:35:10 haha 02:35:11 yes 02:35:14 that's cheating! 02:35:26 tbf, minmay made like 50% of all vaults 02:35:26 you could just guess that author and be right a lot 02:35:30 hi 02:35:33 hi 02:35:33 <|amethyst> heh 02:36:10 no cheating rule also applies to guesses of 'nicolae' for weird shop vaults 02:36:36 i feel like that's just sort of a gimme 02:37:09 PleasingFungus: ah. use_an_item is doing the checking. In that case removing the block of code should work. Let me change and confirm. 02:40:49 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:40:51 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:43:46 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53:40 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1182-g094b998 02:58:39 gammafunk: try 35k-Chei.cs via the cbro saves link 02:58:49 gammafunk: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/saves/35k-Chei.cs 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06:47 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:08:41 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:14:16 New branch created: pull/325 (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/325 03:14:16 03adibis02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/325 * 0.19-a0-1106-g6223548: Can read or quaff from floor even if inventory empty. 10(36 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/62235487fa96 03:14:16 03adibis02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/325 * 0.19-a0-1184-gc1c36f3: Merge remote-tracking branch 'upstream/master' 10(33 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c1c36f3979c5 03:15:34 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:16:10 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:18:34 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:19:02 aditya: in at least one of those cases (scroll), we should probably be calling any_items_of_type() rather than removing the check for readable items 03:19:02 -!- Sky_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:20:08 hm, i guess that's an elaboration... never mind 03:20:47 there's an implausible bug where a player with blurry vision starts reading a scroll off the ground, and then the ground turns into lava (can happen in some vaults) and burns the scroll mid-read 03:21:02 but that already exists (not affected by your change) and also probably doesn't matter 03:21:48 PleasingFungus: okay. I didn't know that floor turning to lava is possible as you stand on it. 03:22:01 i wonder if it actually is possible 03:22:06 or if some safety check would prevent it 03:22:13 not sure 03:22:26 PleasingFungus: But, I checked and confirmed that items can be read while inventory is empty and you have at least 1 readable item on floor. 03:22:33 sure 03:22:44 and that it still gives a good warning when you have nothing in inventory or on the floor? 03:22:46 and if there is no readable item on the floor then you get the message that there's nothing to read. 03:22:49 ya 03:22:51 good 03:23:08 i'll merge it tomorrow, when i'm awake 03:23:20 hah - good night. 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(master - cd7e582 #6371 : Aditya Shevade): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/153020618 12:56:55 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 12:58:16 :/ 12:59:12 -!- eb has quit [Client Quit] 12:59:24 imo, there are plenty of places for descriptions and flavor to land 12:59:46 i would seriously not worry that much about preserving the book descriptions as they stand... especially after mpa BRUTALLY gutted them..... ;) 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:38 -!- tigertrap has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:01:53 So only Trog is the issue, still haven't thought of a good way to fix him 13:02:02 i mean, we can always just remove book burning 13:02:07 :O 13:02:08 it's sad but it's allowed! 13:02:53 You could have trog auto burn books on site 13:03:09 *sight 13:03:21 piety / flavor but no tactical implications 13:03:45 what does that help? 13:04:21 You retain a bit of Trog's flavor but don't have the whole what happens when Trog picks up a book thing. But nevermind because this would piss off all the convert away from Trog people. 13:04:40 i actually like the sound of that 13:04:51 for exactly that reason 13:04:56 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:05:01 That's not the problem. 13:05:07 But: 13:05:29 (A) As far as I can tell, there's no advantage to "auto-burn-books" over "just don't let troggites add stuff to their library" 13:06:23 (B) Doesn't solve the "person planning to convert to trog" UI problem (since they're encouraged to take books off their autopickup, which I hear is annoying?) 13:06:28 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:07:33 also the tactical bit is sort of the main gameplay interaction of it, so with that gone it becomes a pure flavour thing with fiddly special-cases attached, which is the bad kind of pure flavour thing 13:07:45 sure 13:08:35 not that i would really say that the tactical bit is even very heavily used currently, i guess 13:09:18 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1183-gcd7e582 (34) 13:18:12 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:21:28 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:24:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 13:26:54 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1183-gcd7e582 (34) 13:33:36 PleasingFungus, so if Troggites don't auto add to library does that also mean they don't pick up the book? 13:34:06 Personally I like the idea of Trog claiming all books you find 13:34:19 presumably, joining trog would disable autopickup for spellbooks, and picking up a book under trog would cause penance. 13:34:25 Slight Trog nerf I guess, but is that a bad thing? 13:34:33 Ok that would work. 13:35:12 i mean, think of it from a different angle. if you're designing trog from scratch, do you add a system that says, "also, every time you see a book, it automatically burns and gives you piety?" 13:35:41 I mean he hates magic, I don't see why I wouldn't necessarily. 13:39:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39:29 -!- knu has quit [Quit: Reboot...] 13:41:59 I'm not saying it's out of character for the god. I'm just saying, it seems like a weird system that the player doesn't really get to interact with, and that doesn't add much to the game. 13:42:41 Like, current book burning is cool because it has flavor, it has tactical uses, and it has at least potential strategic choices. Auto-burning has... maybe flavor? 13:42:42 Maybe? 13:44:15 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:44:40 It also gives people a reason not to choose Trog, I don't know what the overall design philosophy on sacrifices for gods is. 13:45:01 There are much simpler ways to 'balance' trog than by adding a whole new system. 13:45:06 I agree however it is shallow compared to the current system 13:45:20 even disabling adding to your library under trog would be kinda fiddly for any cases where you abandon 13:45:51 MarvinPA, if you just never pick up books as a Troggite, you abandon and then go pick them all up 13:47:18 right, scouring the dungeon for books qualifies as "kinda fiddly" imo 13:47:25 i mean 13:47:25 ctrl-f book 13:47:36 i feel like that's not very far from the status quo 13:47:36 wrt abandoning trog 13:47:36 or rather the practical result is just the interface improvement hasn't been implemented for this one particular case 13:47:40 ya 13:47:55 i think that might be okay - it is, i think, a relatively niche case 13:47:58 in terms of # of games affected 13:48:24 MarvinPA are you saying you'd rather just have Troggites pick up books and add to their library? 13:48:52 i guess if we don't have book burning, there's no particular reason not to allow that 13:48:55 i wouldn't have a problem with that 13:49:27 they'd still be forbidden from memorising or casting them, and the change as far as i can tell is meant to be primarily a general interface improvement 13:49:34 Yeah it's a little weird from a consistency perspective, but it cleans up the code 13:49:45 what's inconsistent about it? 13:50:08 Trog hates spells but allows his worshippers to copy spells out of books 13:50:23 trog hates spells but allows his worshippers to cart around piles of books 13:50:35 unless you go with the explanation than spells have agency and the player isn't actually "copying" them 13:50:36 ^ status quo 13:50:37 the copying is entirely abstract anyway 13:52:18 You could have something where you can sacrifice a spell from your library as a weak "book burn" 13:53:19 so now you might want to burn spells from your library before picking up a new book, just in case that book has overlap with your library? 13:53:36 or you might just want to burn every spell you pick up as you get it, to get piety? 13:53:40 Remove the piety gain from book burning 13:53:44 *spell burning 13:53:46 so what does it even do? 13:53:51 conjure flame? 13:53:53 this again seems more like it's trying to hold on to the ability just for inertia's sake rather than for the actual merits of the thing 13:56:16 <|amethyst> I think having books be items in the library system is not really great 13:56:18 I think it would be cool, maybe overpowered since you have many spells per book, but if it's not interesting enough that's fine 13:56:33 |amethyst: ? 13:57:00 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: seems like it would work better as something like an altar 13:57:18 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: since you wouldn't do most item-related things with it 13:57:36 <|amethyst> you pick it up and it disappears, doesn't take a slot, can't be dropped, etc 13:57:41 <|amethyst> it's rather unlike most items 13:57:42 Should gold be an altar? 13:57:45 (runes gold) 13:57:57 Or runes, or the ORB, yes. 13:57:57 <|amethyst> hm 13:58:09 Do we want books to take up tiles? Do we want to ban apportating books? 13:58:11 *apporting 13:58:57 I mean, I was thinking about the altar thing too, but it seems harder to make the UI good there 13:58:59 <|amethyst> I guess gold is a pretty good counter-argument 13:59:14 Books as altars could also be a change after this 13:59:17 yeah, if it weren't for gold i'd be much leerier of the idea 13:59:30 <|amethyst> the orb could also be a tile 13:59:57 <|amethyst> s/tile/feature/ 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:09 <|amethyst> instead of picking up the MacGuffin, you destroy it then have to escape 14:00:30 <|amethyst> and doing so infuses you with a purple glow, I dunno 14:00:33 or, in the tavern version, you destroy it and then the game ends 14:00:53 People don't like the orb run? 14:01:03 there are people who really dislike the orb run, yes 14:01:12 this is one of many Crawl Community Memes 14:01:14 Why, out of curiosity? 14:01:14 <|amethyst> You destroy it and the entire underworld collapses, killing you in the process 14:01:19 dang! 14:01:48 <|amethyst> but that's okay, because life on the surface was so miserable it's worse than death 14:01:54 the glorious return of orb.destroy milestones 14:02:04 haha 14:02:21 just make the orb run more exciting ala nethack 14:03:07 <|amethyst> err 14:03:07 ??objstat 14:03:07 objstat[1/2]: Run with "crawl -objstat" in a build of crawl with EXTERNAL_FLAGS_L=-DDEBUG_STATISTICS in your make command (or full debug with "make debug") to generate item/monsters statistics. See crawl -help for the argument details. 14:03:07 oh huh only 15 orb destructions ever, i thought it was more than that (was it a tourney banner once?) 14:03:22 <|amethyst> I was under the impression that only the elemental planes are exciting 14:03:41 <|amethyst> and the dealing with rodney over and over again, and the mysterious force, is not exciting 14:03:55 |amethyst, that's what I meant, why not have something likethe elemental planes rather than walking all the way out? 14:04:12 <|amethyst> how about have the mysterious force, in reverse 14:04:39 <|amethyst> when you climb a stair with the orb, you have a chance to go, say, 5 levels up (or to your branch entrance) 14:04:42 the mpa-sil ascension has that! 14:05:01 well, not randomly, stairs up just always take you twice as far 14:05:14 but that works better with nonpersistent levels 14:05:33 <|amethyst> yeah, it's a problem if players want to do orb run tomb or such 14:05:47 Or you could have a portal open when you pick up the orb 14:05:47 <|amethyst> or pick up score crystals on the way out 14:05:52 so you can choose to go through it or not 14:06:07 <|amethyst> I guess runes are score crystals, never mind 14:06:36 <|amethyst> IMO after the orb, you escape the Matrix and fight the devs 14:06:46 isn't that what tavern is? 14:07:57 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:09:56 So I'm gonna start work on an autoadd to library patch, sacrifice spell has been vetoed? 14:10:01 *spell burning 14:11:57 It really doesn't seem like there's any good way to keep it, which makes me sad. 14:12:33 Can you summarize the plan as you understand it, to make sure there's no misunderstanding? might help save you some work 14:14:55 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:14:55 Books are autopickup, on picking up the book all spells are added to your library and the book disappears. As a result of this the Trog book burn ability is removed. 14:15:06 OK, sounds right. 14:15:32 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:15:42 I still like the idea of being able to sacrifice spells out of your library for a weak conjure flame without piety :) 14:15:58 i know :) 14:16:48 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:14 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:18:44 <|amethyst> would books be marked useless for Trog worshippers? That takes them off autopickup, but there's no reason other than time *not* to pick them up, and leaving them on autopickup would avoid having to backtrack if you change gods and want spells 14:19:07 in the current plan, troggites would still be able to autopickup books and add them to their libraries 14:19:10 just not to memorize from them 14:19:11 My plan was to have no god exceptions 14:19:12 i'd tend to say they should still be picked up, yeah 14:19:23 <|amethyst> hm 14:19:38 <|amethyst> I guess they could be useless/bad but still picked up 14:19:55 <|amethyst> that is the current situation, but there's an ugly autopickup function that does that 14:20:12 why do you want to mark them useless? 14:20:14 <|amethyst> would be simplest to remove that and also not mark them as useless or bad 14:20:36 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: usually stuff you can't use with your current god is 14:20:56 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:21:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:05 -!- Jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:21:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: including magical staves, which are only usually useless with Trog 14:21:19 i mean, you can still consume them to add their spells to your library 14:21:24 so it's still adviseable to pick them up 14:21:32 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:21:37 still Theoretically Optimal, probably 14:21:40 <|amethyst> right, that's what I was saying 14:21:50 are we even arguing 14:21:54 <|amethyst> no :) 14:21:59 excellent 14:22:25 magical staves i think should not be marked useless under trog since they really aren't (even if they're very much not at all good) 14:22:34 <|amethyst> I was saying, "consider taking making them not useless or bad, but that might be a problem flavourwise" 14:22:42 oh hm, are rods under misc acquirement now? if so there's no actual problem with doing that, i think 14:22:48 correct 14:22:50 i'm kind of sad about this whole thing. idk if the ui improvements are really worth losing the legendary Trog Book Burning Flavour 14:22:51 hurrah 14:22:56 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: what if you switch to Trog with 20 fire? 14:23:11 right, that's what i mean 14:23:29 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: oh, I missed your "not" :) 14:23:34 and even in a normal trog game they're probably not technically useless, assuming you get some evo skill 14:23:49 <|amethyst> ? 14:23:58 <|amethyst> I thought you also needed the element to get any effect 14:24:06 <|amethyst> ??enhancer staff 14:24:06 staff damage[1/3]: Enhancer staves (fire, cold, air, earth, death) have (2*evoc + magic skill)/30 chance of getting random2(1.25*(magic skill + evoc/2)) extra damage that ignores AC (except earth), but checks the appropriate resistance. 14:24:13 <|amethyst> oh 14:24:15 no, it's a mix of magic and evo for both triggering and damage 14:24:15 technically, they're never useless, since you can use them as clubs 14:24:21 <|amethyst> I had thought one of those didn't use evo 14:24:25 PleasingFungus, spell burning. No flavor lost 14:24:31 spell burning is a really bad idea 14:24:33 i'm sorry 14:24:43