00:00:02 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:05 -!- qguv has quit [Quit: bye] 00:02:51 -!- doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:05:59 -!- doll has quit [Client Quit] 00:09:37 -!- doll has quit [Client Quit] 00:10:05 hmm 00:10:10 are hep ancestors petrification immune? 00:10:25 not listed on xv, but they can stand in catoblepas clouds no problem 00:13:40 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:17:32 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 00:19:19 -!- elan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:20:41 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:22:45 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:26:16 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:27:11 <|amethyst> M_INSUBSTANTIAL, so yes 00:30:06 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1107-gc676ff4 (34) 00:30:59 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:32:43 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:33:05 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:39:45 !update-goodplayers 00:40:10 Mapping goodplayers => 78291 bmfx elliptic hyperbolic jeanjacques clouded mikee crate pac bart pivotal stabwound johnnyzero minmay ophanim basil magistern hyperelliptic marvinpa surr nago walkerboh simm wahaha ebarrett ionfrigate mrplanck elynae reid dck sphara cheibrodos morganleah tenaya theglow yermak heteroy itsmu toastyp xyblor casmith789 sar uglything maddasher evilmike vizer araganzar rob e... 00:43:20 is comborobin excluded from that? 00:43:54 unless that's chronological i guess 00:44:16 though, if it was, stabwound would probably come first 00:44:23 rip stabwound 00:45:22 he streaked so many before most of the crawl community even knew what streaking was, and long before crawl even removed stuff like victory dancing 00:46:33 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:52 henryci (L27 HEWz) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 554: mid cache bogosity: mid 8062 points to DEAD MONSTER mindex=33 mid=0 (Abyss:1) 00:48:05 henryci (L27 HEWz) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'main.cc' at line 3177 failed. (Abyss:1) 00:48:14 henryci (L27 HEWz) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'main.cc' at line 3177 failed. (Abyss:1) 00:48:23 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 00:49:02 uh-oh 00:57:45 -!- arcanemastermind has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:58:17 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:08 henryci (L27 HEWz) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 554: mid cache bogosity: mid 8503 points to small abomination mindex=10 mid=8552 (Abyss:2) 01:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:29 ??goodplayer 01:03:30 goodplayer ~ goodplayers[1/1]: 10 or more wins. 01:03:36 that's it? 01:05:16 ??greatplayer 01:05:16 greatplayers[1/2]: Players who have won every currently available to play race. Lifetime membership once you get in! 01:05:17 ??greaterplayer 01:05:17 greaterplayer[1/3]: Players who have won every currently available to play race and class. Lifetime membership once you get in! 01:09:46 !seen gammafunk 01:09:47 I last saw gammafunk at Tue Aug 9 04:39:44 2016 UTC (30m 2s ago) saying '!update-goodplayers' on ##crawl-dev. 01:13:30 -!- home has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:15:43 -!- sysice has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:26:25 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:16 -!- PElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 01:29:33 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:29:52 -!- Zekka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:29 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:35:13 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:36:09 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:38:05 yay first patch - not even a sentence long - but yay :P 01:38:51 this is how it starts 01:42:24 adibis: how do you want to be credited in CREDITS.txt? 01:42:39 name, username? 01:43:17 hm, we don't have the cjr admins credited 01:43:34 lol 01:43:44 there's a credits.txt? 01:44:05 it's quite long. 01:44:52 i believe it 01:44:57 how far back does it go? 01:45:01 to linley days? 01:46:06 looks like it was created not quite ten years ago 01:46:14 %git 6adb570984828b2c36de2952c18e722641fbf802 01:46:14 07haranp02 * 6adb57098482: Implemented ideas from 1590719: Amulets of warding provides one level of negative energy resistance. Negative energy resistance cuts torment damage by 10% (of the damage) per level. 10(10 years ago, 3 files, 7+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6adb57098482 01:46:43 a bit smaller then 01:47:14 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:48:01 lol, my proudest achievement is having a tombstone with my name on it in saints row 2 01:48:06 well, maybe not my proudest 01:48:13 but perhaps my longest lasting 01:48:19 grim... 01:48:45 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1108-g1f77a52: Add adibis to mailmap & credits.txt 10(23 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1f77a522df7a 01:48:58 well, i'm also in the credits 01:49:04 but who's watching those? 01:49:56 is credits.txt still relevant in the age of git? 01:50:02 or is it kept for sentimental reasons 01:50:04 PleasingFungus: err - wrong email and name lol 01:50:06 well 01:50:07 fuck 01:50:21 local players 01:50:24 for example 01:50:31 might look at it 01:50:35 ProzacElf: I sent you a message 01:50:51 err PleasingFungus 01:50:52 !messages 01:50:53 No messages for ProzacElf. 01:50:55 haha 01:51:01 !tell ProzacElf hello! 01:51:02 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let prozacelf know. 01:51:12 !tell PleasingFungus thanks! 01:51:13 ProzacElf: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:51:13 ProzacElf: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:51:38 i'll save that for later 01:51:43 when i feel lonely 01:51:46 hrm, we did actually merge your patch, right? 01:51:46 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:52:10 oh, there it is 01:52:11 ok 01:52:22 yea 01:54:45 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1109-g16db51f: Fix CREDITS, mailmap 10(22 seconds ago, 2 files, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/16db51f6c14b 01:54:55 %git 506db6d1994065d9e8268d4f5e59489f805a1163 01:54:55 07adibis02 * 0.19-a0-1105-g506db6d: Added check_if_monster_incapacitated before removing them while going up/down the stairs 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/506db6d19940 01:54:58 hm 01:55:00 nope 01:55:10 or wait, no, that is right 01:55:13 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:55:23 %git bd3eaeb8aaab4ddf2cac41d40554884cd67c283c 01:55:23 07xorxor02 {PleasingFungus} * 0.19-a0-1102-gbd3eaeb: Clean up spell memorization code 10(35 hours ago, 5 files, 28+ 60-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bd3eaeb8aaab 01:55:39 ok. 01:56:17 what? I am confused 01:58:30 checking to make sure the mailmap was working properly 01:58:35 amalloy: I did not know summer games done quick existed. Thanks for the mention in the videos. Contra:3 was good to watch :P 01:58:53 ah = well time for dinner. brb. 01:59:41 glad to hear it 01:59:43 -!- Kelp_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:59:47 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:05 ...what timezone...? 02:00:08 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:00:25 UGT 02:01:01 a major Spanish trade union, historically affiliated with the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party (PSOE)? 02:05:04 -!- parabolic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:06:49 PleasingFungus: PST :P I have weird timings 02:07:29 my aptmate just got up a few hours ago 02:07:39 i know how it is 02:08:56 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:57 worst part is - I might have to work after this. So yeah. There's that. 02:09:27 hf! 02:09:28 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 02:09:49 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1109-g16db51f (34) 02:13:45 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:15:20 rip 02:15:30 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:17:22 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 02:25:35 @??orc warrior 02:25:35 orc warrior (08o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 24-32 | AC/EV: 8/10 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 133 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 02:26:35 -!- Bcadren has quit [Quit: Oh, so they have Internet on computers now!] 02:28:14 huh, crystal guardians can speak 02:28:16 notionally 02:32:42 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:40:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43:04 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:43:24 FR: twicth emotes in tiles chat 02:43:24 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:43:44 sounds like fun. illegal 02:44:12 Ill Eagle 02:45:25 what if you made your own icons, mimicing twitch ones, but pictures of the crawl dev team 02:45:52 where's that picture of neil wearing a paper bag... 02:45:58 you can probably find a picture of me somewhere 02:46:05 gimme your best PogChamp 02:47:21 -!- doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:47:27 -!- kramin is now known as Kramin 02:47:33 http://s-z.org/neil/images/logicbug.jpg 02:47:40 lmao 02:47:42 of course you had it on hand 02:47:48 "NOTE: the developer who introduced this bug has gone AWOL, and we’re trying to track him down. If you see this person, please report him to your nearest centuryplayer. Do not approach him, as he is bugged and extremely winscumming." 02:48:21 neil is the Jason Bourne of debugging, don't mess with him 02:48:36 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:48:47 I didn't have it onhand, but I remember the post I made that used it 02:49:16 comment by chequers: "This bug is responsible for 25% of my wins :|" 02:49:45 lol 02:50:02 god, and "thank you, but please can oyou fix the mouse / vim keys movement lag? thank you again" 02:50:10 I'm really going to sit down and try to debug that SDL loop 02:54:57 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:10 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:09:53 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:10:22 -!- jeefus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:12:37 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:20:29 i think that comment is no longer accurate... just 03:23:00 !lg . meleebug 03:23:01 59. gammafunk the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi), quit the game on D:1 (lemuel_arrival_rhombus) on 2015-03-23 06:37:19, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:19. 03:23:04 !lg . meleebug won 03:23:05 1. gammafunk the Imperceptible (L24 SpEn of Ashenzari), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-19 03:52:10, with 1472244 points after 83450 turns and 7:23:05. 03:23:23 I blame not detecting melee bug on my playing a stabber 03:23:33 !lg . meleebug !boring s=char 03:23:33 26 games for gammafunk (meleebug !boring): 25x HESu, SpEn 03:23:38 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1109-g16db51f (34) 03:23:42 and su speedruns that didn't hit things 03:24:12 ofc I did hit things with 0-skill melee, but let's ignore that 03:25:06 !gamesby . meleebug 03:25:07 PleasingFungus (meleebug) has played 4 games, between 2015-01-14 00:11:28 and 2015-03-18 22:59:45, won 3 (75.0%), high score 2289655, total score 5725797, total turns 210429, play-time/day 0:19:47, total time 21:06:22. 03:25:12 skill 03:25:24 !lg * won meleebug s=name 03:25:25 1560 games for * (won meleebug): 18x MorganLeah, 16x HilariousDeathArtist, 16x Sharkman1231, 14x DrKe, 14x WalkerBoh, 14x Happylisk, 14x Tolias, 13x Kellhus, 11x Yermak, 11x HungrySpirit, 11x Brannock, 10x simm, 10x tstbtto, 10x lessens, 10x elliptic, 10x Berder, 10x moose, 9x Xen, 9x ParticlePhysics, 9x MDvedh, 9x axaxaxas, 9x Zooty, 8x jeanjacques, 8x Sandman25, 8x Floodkiller, 8x Starve, 8x twe... 03:26:00 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:26:31 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 03:30:48 -!- sgun_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:33:37 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:35:37 -!- glosham has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:42:35 amalloy_: you guys are going to regret signing up for dieselrobin! 03:42:36 =P 03:45:28 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:51:45 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:51:53 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:55:37 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:27:38 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:30:22 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:20 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:32:40 -!- Rast-- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:34:46 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:55 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:46:17 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:48:34 -!- AndChat-596400 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:48:54 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06:52 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:27:05 -!- vede has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:29:26 -!- gressup has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:30:57 -!- Brannock has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:31:22 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:22 -!- ac13 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:33:26 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:34:55 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:34:55 -!- gammafunk has quit [Client Quit] 05:35:32 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:39:18 What was the reason behind changing ALich's library room in Crypt:3 from having books and scrolls to having books and random stuff? 05:40:24 I liked the flavour. And now you can see food lying on the library shelves. 05:46:20 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:46:25 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 05:51:19 Yermak: probably to help the loot appeal to a broader number of characters 05:52:31 Well, there is plenty of other loot on that map, an it's equally good for all characters 05:57:10 -!- LogicPeople has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:57:37 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 05:57:55 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:12:03 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:13:03 -!- PElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 06:17:00 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:20:46 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 06:22:59 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:23:02 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:25:51 -!- docnvk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:36:33 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:37:03 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:37:27 -!- Alcopop has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:38:51 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:51:24 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:51:47 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest63720 06:53:19 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:55:52 -!- Guest63720 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:05:04 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:29 i just started playing after a break, what is up with lightning bolt targeting? it doesn't target the monster directly anymore, but doesn't always multizap either 07:05:55 is there some way to revert it to old behaviour? 07:12:48 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:27:47 -!- Kranix has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:36:43 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:57:56 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:10 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08:09 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 08:08:19 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:02 -!- doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:31:18 muravey: it attempts to target to multizap 08:35:38 chequers is there some way to switch it off? 08:38:16 i don't think so 08:44:57 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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I only just noticed that there's one 13:03:10 maybe! it is pretty subtle 13:04:00 Ancestor is immune to petrification (as I found out when an XL14 battlemage dueled a catoblepas and won), but are they immune to rotting too? 13:04:18 Petrification immunity isn't listed on their xv 13:05:15 Brannock: they have similar immunities to, say, hungry ghosts 13:05:24 since they're insubstantial, as |amethyst said the other day 13:05:26 hungry ghost (03W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 33-44 | AC/EV: 0/17 | Dam: 502(hunger) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 184 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 13:05:26 %??hungry ghost 13:05:52 @??ancestor 13:05:52 ancestor (11R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 4 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, see invisible, fly, regen, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(6), 05fire, 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 1 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 13:06:10 hmm. I wonder what's causing them to not be affected by catoblepas dust 13:06:18 gargoyle (159) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 20-32 | AC/EV: 18/6 | Dam: 20 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 413 | Sp: stone arrow (3d12) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 13:06:18 %??gargoyle 13:06:20 they're insubstantial 13:06:30 oh petrify isn't listed as a res 13:06:31 carry on then 13:06:32 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:06:41 maybe it could be. i wonder if that's hard 13:15:42 probably not 13:15:46 might be cluttery 13:18:42 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:19:02 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:23:43 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:02 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1109-g16db51f (34) 13:34:46 -!- sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:37:54 -!- duralumin has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09:52 -!- elan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:17:37 -!- sysice_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:24:09 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:58 I don't understand the difference between mpr and mprf. The latter uses char, the former uses a string? 14:35:56 mprf can be parameterized, basically 14:36:25 mprf("i want to buy %d cat%s", num_cats, num_cats == 1 ? "" : "s") 14:36:30 mpr can't be 14:36:41 mpr("i want to buy a cat, or maybe a few") 14:36:50 I see 14:37:23 use mpr if you aren't gonna do %nonsense, use mprf if you are 14:37:42 What's the etiquette for pushing commits to a PR? I have a couple changes I want to make, and I'd normally force push them and keep the singular commit, but one should be credited to a commenter, and the other is a fairly large change to how sheep_sleep works (getting rid of spoilery breakpoints) 14:38:03 can always leave a credit in the commit message 14:38:28 for the other: do you want a record in git's history that sheep sleep once had spoilery breakpoints? 14:38:30 is that important? 14:38:40 Hmm. No, probably not 14:40:58 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:44 !source put_to_sleep 2 14:41:44 2/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#L7451 14:42:07 if I pass a negative value to int power here, could that return a duration value of less than 5? 14:42:21 5 + random2avg(power/10, 5); 14:42:31 hahah 14:42:50 here is what you should do 14:42:54 split put_to_sleep into two functions 14:43:05 one function that takes a duration and handles all the messiness 14:43:13 another function that takes power and a 'hibernate' bool and returns a sleep duration 14:43:32 then your sleep sheep can call the function that takes a duration directly 14:44:34 the function that takes power and 'hibernate' would be named the same as put_to_sleep, and the new function would be sleep_duration... so I wouldn't have to update all the code in the entire database that calls put_to_sleep 14:44:55 Okay. Giving this a shot. I hope I don't break anything 14:45:02 Why was my idea funny? 14:45:50 incredible hack 14:46:04 also 14:46:16 -!- Life4Thunder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:46:30 i would really recommend either 14:46:54 (a) having a third function that takes the current parameters and calls the new function that takes a duration with the duration from the duration-generating function 14:46:56 or 14:47:51 (b) renaming put_to_sleep *specifically so that* you don't have callers that are passing a 'power' value into the 'duration' param 15:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:39 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:02:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:10 -!- docnvk has quit [Excess Flood] 15:22:33 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:26:35 -!- docnvk has quit [Excess Flood] 15:32:27 Is there a difference between actor* target and actor *target, where `actor` is the object type and `target` is the object name? 15:32:41 no 15:32:50 actor * target is also the same 15:32:53 Would `actor * target` wo.. ah gotcha 15:32:57 :) 15:33:15 there's a convention to prefer actor *target specifically because it's less confusing in cases like 15:33:19 actor *foo, bar 15:33:32 (foo is type "actor *", bar is type "actor") 15:33:55 actor* foo, bar would be more misleading there. though probably you should rarely be declaring multiple variables on one line anyway! 15:34:24 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:14 I can't figure out how to update my branch without adding new commits to the pull request 15:38:30 have you squashed your branch 15:38:49 I tried to do that but it wouldn't let me squash into commits that I've already pushed 15:38:56 I must be misunderstanding something 15:39:30 Lemme go over my log from the other night when amethyst helped me clean up my git history 15:39:50 Oh I need to rebase it against master, okay 15:40:18 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/321 * 0.19-a0-1099-g2c9fd63: Dream sleep checks monster clarity. (alexjurkiewicz) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2c9fd6349616 15:40:31 Okay I squashed it back into bb9ed69 15:40:37 Too late to prevent that Chei message though 15:40:42 what as ham 15:40:43 *a sham 15:41:22 I was originally trying to rebase it against origin/dream-sheep and got confused 15:41:53 -!- olscumpy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:43:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 15:48:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:49:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:33 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/321 * 0.19-a0-1110-gc542da1: Implement dream sheep. 10(4 days ago, 23 files, 219+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c542da18a4e7 15:56:42 -!- lincoln has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:56 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 16:05:34 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:55 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:28 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:52 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:24:31 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:26:20 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:26:59 -!- pyrotecnix has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 16:28:20 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:28 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:05 -!- Francrawl has quit [Client Quit] 16:40:19 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:43:19 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:55:17 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:58:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:24 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:25 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:02:38 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:05:59 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:47 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 17:12:36 -!- Prozacelf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:44 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:53 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:18:11 -!- Bammboo has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 17:20:17 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:32 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:22:31 -!- ironycurtain has quit [Quit: ironycurtain] 17:23:41 I'm trying to build my branch and the compiler is upset about my strings. I don't understand what it's telling me, and I can't figure out how to fix it. https://gist.github.com/isloat/a5e336765cf9cb886d2e4e171e496a57 17:24:48 it's because you have sinned against the LORD GOD ADONAI, friend. 17:24:56 now let me look at the gist 17:25:06 oh 17:25:08 uh 17:25:13 what are you actually trying to do there 17:25:29 make_stringf("You are overwhelmed by glittering dream dust!") <- with this 17:25:49 ok hold on 17:25:51 ok 17:25:55 ok. 17:25:59 so 17:26:11 Set 'sheepact' to a particular string. Even if I remove make_stringf() it throws an error. 17:26:16 do you know what the keyword "const" means? 17:26:20 Damnit 17:26:45 the other thing is, there is no reason to use make_stringf if you aren't building a string from parts 17:26:59 I actually added that in to see if it'd fix things 17:27:02 haha 17:27:04 It did not. 17:27:04 rip 17:27:46 i personally might make a little helper function string _sheep_sleep_message(int num_sheep, int sleep_dur) 17:27:59 *static string 17:27:59 but that's optional 17:28:04 That might clean it up, yeah 17:28:13 you could use a const string then 17:28:36 Why can I assign a new value to message (which was declared as const char* message = nullptr, using DracoOmega's code as a model) via sheepact.c_str() if message as declared as a constant? 17:28:43 s/as/was 17:30:25 the pointer is not constant 17:30:45 -!- home has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:50 so "message" is a pointer, the address of something in memory. in this case, it's the address of the beginning of a series of characters. 17:31:24 the characters are const. you can't change the contents of the const char*, e.g. message[2] = 'f'. if you try, the compiler will stop you. probably. 17:31:38 however, you can change what series of constant characters message points to. 17:31:56 if you want a truly const c-style string, you need a const char * const message. 17:34:09 I see 17:34:18 is this confusing? 17:34:19 yes 17:34:30 i'm told the key to figuring out how c types work is to read right to left 17:34:38 i'm not sure why that helps but that's what they tell me 17:34:56 Is the pointer itself constant? That is, you can't change where the pointer points at? 17:35:52 If so, then that explanation makes perfect sense to me. You assign the value of 'sheepact' and tell the compiler that the value is constant. Changing that value gets a no-go. You set the pointer to point at a specific address; you can't tell it to point at somewhere else. Unless I've misunderstood 17:36:03 int *foo; // nothing is const 17:36:15 const int* foo; // value is const 17:36:21 int * const foo; // pointer is const 17:36:29 const int * const foo; // value & pointer are both const 17:37:13 and 'const char* message = nullptr;' ? 17:37:26 that's case #2 17:37:31 value const, not pointer 17:37:34 i'm writing up some examples 17:37:38 Ahh 17:37:52 No, I get it now 17:37:57 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:38:03 I had const string, not const string * 17:38:25 Err 17:39:08 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:39:43 http://pastebin.com/Dfva5FyG i finished typing this anyway 17:39:46 Thank you 17:40:15 <|amethyst> don't forget int const * foo; (or do forget it, it's the same as const int * foo;) 17:40:32 <|amethyst> read from right to left starting at the variable name 17:40:36 * geekosaur actually prefers that 17:40:45 <|amethyst> foo is a pointer to a const int, or foo is a pointer to an int that is const 17:40:54 <|amethyst> whereas: char * const bar; 17:41:01 <|amethyst> bar is a const pointer to a char 17:41:18 i did forget that! 17:41:53 Is there anything you guys would recommend as a crash course in learning C++? I figure if I'm going to continue working on crawl I might as well properly learn C++ instead of picking up bits and pieces as I go 17:42:15 <|amethyst> pick a book by Stroustrup and read it cover to cover 17:42:19 <|amethyst> :P 17:42:30 <|amethyst> do you have programming experience in other languages? 17:42:43 Java 17:42:55 (This may explain why I keep getting tripped up on details) 17:43:27 <|amethyst> The C++ Programming Language is probably decent 17:43:38 <|amethyst> IMO the biggest and most significant difference between C++ and Java 17:44:06 <|amethyst> in Java a variable of class type is just a pointer to an object---the object itself isn't "stored in" the variable 17:44:33 enter... the heap... 17:44:34 <|amethyst> in C++ the variable actually holds the object, and if you want it to point to an object you use a pointer or reference variable 17:45:07 <|amethyst> *but* OO polymorphism based on the class of an object requires a pointer of reference 17:45:11 <|amethyst> s/of/or/ 17:45:13 <|amethyst> if you say 17:45:26 <|amethyst> Dog fido; 17:45:29 <|amethyst> Animal pet = fido; 17:45:54 <|amethyst> then pet is a *copy* of fido, and only the general-to-all-Animal parts. The Dog-specific parts have been "sliced" off 17:46:31 <|amethyst> this doesn't come up much in Crawl, but it does mean, for example, that having a parameter or array or something of Actor is usually wrong 17:46:40 <|amethyst> s/Actor/actor/ 17:47:07 <|amethyst> it should be actor* or actor& (or a const variant of those) if you want to actually be able to receive either a monster or a player 17:47:28 What does & signify? 17:47:29 yeah, Brannock was asking why he was seeing monster * mons earlier 17:47:35 <|amethyst> Brannock: "reference" 17:47:36 as a function arg 17:47:53 <|amethyst> Brannock: a reference is an alias for another variable, and doesn't have its own storage 17:48:06 <|amethyst> Brannock: it's like a pointer that you don't have to manually dereference 17:48:17 <|amethyst> So for example: 17:48:18 C++ refs are something you also need to be aware of, they're like "safer pointers" 17:48:20 <|amethyst> Dog fido; 17:48:31 <|amethyst> Animal *pet = &fido; // take a pointer 17:48:42 <|amethyst> Animal &friend = fido; // take a reference 17:48:44 <|amethyst> now you can do 17:48:57 <|amethyst> pet->bark(); // the -> dereferences a pointer and accesses a member 17:49:19 <|amethyst> friend.bark(); // friend is an alias for fido, so you can call methods on it 17:49:31 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:49:33 <|amethyst> actually, I guess that was a bad example, because Animal probably doesn't have a bark method 17:49:39 heh 17:49:43 might be { } 17:49:46 <|amethyst> so s/bark/feed/g 17:49:56 many of the usages of a pointer instead of a ref come down to allowing something like fido to be null 17:50:16 <|amethyst> or when you need to be able to re-point it 17:50:31 <|amethyst> references are inherently const in the int * const sense 17:50:33 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:50:46 <|amethyst> if you write friend = blah; that's just like saying fido = blah; 17:50:58 <|amethyst> it doesn't actually make 'friend' point to a different animal 17:51:29 <|amethyst> but tells fido to change itself 17:51:33 <|amethyst> that's another major difference 17:51:57 <|amethyst> in C++ assignment (not initialization!) is something you do to an object, to change its value 17:51:59 Because friend references fido, any changes to friend will inform fido to change? 17:52:28 <|amethyst> in Java, assignment is something you do to a variable, to make it refer to a new object (or in the case of primitive types like int, to change its value) 17:52:58 <|amethyst> Brannock: yes, fido and friend refer to the very same memory, so any changes to one are reflected in the other 17:53:39 <|amethyst> the reason you often see function arguments written as const monster &mons 17:53:56 <|amethyst> is that if the argument were just 'monster mons', that means the argument holds a copy of the monster 17:54:21 and going back to the Animal *pet = &fido example, you can later say pet = &mrbarky; reassign the value of pet to point to another variable, something you can't ever do with a ref like Animal &friend 17:54:29 it will always ref fido in its lifetime 17:54:35 <|amethyst> but the reference means it refers to the same monster you called it with, so no copying is necessary 17:55:40 <|amethyst> this is especially important for big types like monster, or types that you don't want to (or can't) copy for some other reason 17:56:06 <|amethyst> I think you would very rarely see an argument that is a plain 'monster' 17:56:10 I mostly follow, enough that I'm understanding what's going on in the crawl codebase. Thank you for educating 17:56:20 When would you see an argument with plain 'monster'? 17:56:46 <|amethyst> when the function wants to get a copy of a monster, and be able to modify the copy without changing the original 17:56:59 <|amethyst> which doesn't happen often for 'monster' 17:57:06 -!- fufumann is now known as wieselflink 17:57:27 For duplicating a monster, maybe? 17:57:29 making a new monster is complicated in terms of all the things you have to do to the rest of the games data 17:57:30 <|amethyst> yeah 17:57:32 <|amethyst> for other types, if the object itself is about the same size as a pointer, making the copy might not be so bad 17:57:49 <|amethyst> so for example you will see functions taking a coord_def rather than const coord_def & 17:57:54 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:58:14 <|amethyst> since the cost of copying a coord_def is small 17:58:19 <|amethyst> (it's just two ints) 17:58:27 -!- wieselflink is now known as fufumann 17:58:35 -!- fufumann has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:58:56 -!- doll_ has quit [Client Quit] 17:59:16 <|amethyst> that said, you do see some functions that take a const coord_def &... it's possibly slightly faster on 32-bit systems (where two ints is bigger than a pointer), but in practice I doubt it actually helps 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:07 <|amethyst> and getting a copy does have performance benefits itself, because the optimizer can assume "you're never going to use this copy again, so I can do whatever I want to it" 18:00:56 <|amethyst> Scott Meyers and Herb Sutter have some good videos explaining when (in general) you want to use by-value parameters versus const reference parameters 18:01:06 Which should I err towards, in absence of knowing exactly which to use? For Crawl, that is 18:01:31 i would say use by-value by default 18:01:36 <|amethyst> Rules of thumb: 1. if the function modifies the thing, it needs to be a reference (or a pointer if it could be null) 18:01:54 <|amethyst> 2. otherwise, if the object is big or expensive to copy, like a monster or an item, use a const reference 18:02:04 <|amethyst> 3. in the absence of other advice, make it by-value 18:02:23 i feel like point (1) might need an example? 18:02:51 !source _cull_excess_stairs 18:02:52 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc#L1540 18:03:10 <|amethyst> good example 18:03:25 ^ here, i have a list of coordinates on the map that contain stairs; list &stairs 18:03:25 <|amethyst> so this function takes a list of stairs, and removes some of them from the list 18:03:37 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1109-g16db51f (34) 18:04:12 <|amethyst> since the list is being modified, it has to be passed by reference (or by pointer, but here we will never not have a list, so don't need the ability to use nullptr, so don't need a pointer) 18:04:27 <|amethyst> an alternative way to define this function would have been 18:04:41 <|amethyst> static list _cull_excess_stairs(list stairs, ...) 18:04:52 <|amethyst> so that it doesn't modify its argument, but instead returns the new list 18:05:07 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:06:08 <|amethyst> there are justifications for doing it either way... the by-value-and-return version is easier to use inside a larger expression; but on the other hand it might involve copying the list several times, depending on the details of how you use it 18:06:43 in this case i don't think it matters too much 18:07:01 also those function names are bad 18:07:05 cull_excess_stairs and stairs_into_hatches 18:07:24 when i was writing the former, i didn't realize it hatchified 18:07:26 <|amethyst> noun_preposition_noun 18:07:30 maybe_bloodify_square 18:07:38 so i set up a false dichotomy between the functions 18:07:52 what is the greatest crawl function name of all time? 18:07:54 something like cull_duplicate_stairs and cull_random_stairs might be better 18:07:54 <|amethyst> dichotomise_falsely() 18:08:00 gammafunk: slaves_into_lava() 18:08:02 lol 18:08:27 <|amethyst> From @crawlcode 18:08:28 shit i misremembered it 18:08:30 convert_slaves_to_lava() 18:08:33 <|amethyst> // not one word about the name of this function! 18:08:34 <|amethyst> static bool _handle_rod( 18:08:59 fine choice 18:08:59 maybe mumra had a nice function name wrt rod pumping 18:10:03 hmm, can I do this or am I getting too clever for my own good? I suspect the latter 18:10:04 mprf(MSGCH_MONSTER_SPELL, sleep > 0 ? "%s You feel drowsy..." : "%s", message); 18:10:13 probably shouldn't have ternary in a function call 18:10:22 <|amethyst> ternary in a function call is fine, but 18:10:42 <|amethyst> generally with printf and similar things you never want the format string to be something that varies 18:10:53 -!- doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:10:56 <|amethyst> because that inhibits the ability of the compiler to check that you provided the right number of arguments 18:10:59 <|amethyst> instead, do 18:11:36 <|amethyst> mprf(MSGCH_MONSTER_SPELL, "%s%s", message, sleep > 0 ? " You feel drowsy..." : ""); 18:11:55 Oh, that's good 18:12:27 <|amethyst> btw, "inhibits the ability of the compiler to check" is a potential security issue 18:12:59 <|amethyst> if you pass the wrong number of arguments to a varargs function, you can trick it into accessing memory that it's not supposed to use 18:13:14 Yikes, glad I asked about this then 18:13:22 <|amethyst> at the very least revealing information you didn't want to, but possibly even overwriting arbitrary memory 18:13:30 -!- sdftnjm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:23 <|amethyst> (BTW, someone should try out a fuzzer with our save files; I would not be suprised if there were huge security issues with untrusted saves and maybe bones) 18:14:41 i'd be surprised if there weren't 18:16:33 <|amethyst> apparently American Fuzzy Lop is smart enough to infer file formats given enough time 18:16:59 <|amethyst> https://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2014/11/pulling-jpegs-out-of-thin-air.html 18:17:18 -!- rj54x has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:17:53 sick 18:18:03 <|amethyst> someone ran it on a jpeg parser and, based on trying to adjust the input to take different branches in the code, it managed to come with with valid jpeg files 18:18:56 <|amethyst> took "several hundred million execve() calls" 18:19:16 <|amethyst> but no one ever said evolution was fast 18:19:34 <|amethyst> well, except Stephen Jay Gould 18:20:31 heh 18:21:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:34 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1110-g6a29f8a: Improve some misleading function names 10(26 seconds ago, 1 file, 11+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6a29f8a98a1a 18:32:13 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:58 When I compile I get warnings about not having advpng and pngcrush. Compile succeeds anyway 18:34:35 sounds like you're good, then 18:34:37 :) 18:35:48 -!- home has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:37:31 %git 12223c06ef9274e1b90c86d4c6a8ebd9f813c66a 18:37:31 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-810-g12223c0: Remove Shedu 10(2 years, 3 months ago, 27 files, 16+ 382-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/12223c06ef92 18:38:27 those are just for baking the tilesheets, right? 18:38:37 yes, and not really necessary even then 18:38:47 preferred for the online servers though 18:41:11 I'm trying to have _dream_sheep_sleep call _sheep_message as a helper function to handle messaging. Compiler is telling me that _sheep_message was not declared in this scope. I think I can't have an internal function call another internal function? Okay I moved _sheep_message above _dream_sheep_sleep and now the compile succeeds. 18:41:18 What happened here? 18:42:15 do you remember when we were talking about declaring versus defining functions 18:42:32 Somewhat, let me scroll back 18:43:07 I need to increase my scrollback value, apparently 18:43:10 haha 18:43:12 you're both declaring and defining your functions at the same time, which is fine 18:43:28 like, static void foo() { ... } // both a declaration and a definition 18:43:38 but you can't reference something that hasn't been declared yet 18:43:52 static void foo() { bar(); } 18:43:53 java doesn't care as much about ordering. when it's compiling _dream_sheep_sleep it does not know that _sheep_message exists yet; you can forward declare it, or you can move the definition to before the use 18:44:00 static void bar() { ... } 18:44:30 yeah, you moved things around so that sheep_message was declared (and defined) before it was used 18:44:40 another solution would look like: 18:44:43 Since @ is being pared down on redundancy, is there any way it could show your fractional average attack speed instead of an abstraction? 18:45:08 Or is that too #-centric for DCSS displays 18:45:11 this matters because C++ is derived from C, and for a long time C let you use things before defining them (which was a source of bugs, and would completely break C++ overloading and such) 18:45:17 static string _sheep_message(...); static void _dream_sheep_sleep(...) { ... } static string _sheep_message(...) { ... } 18:45:24 geekosaur: oh god 18:45:50 nikheizen: got really thrown off there and was wondering if there was some weird irc channel -centric 18:45:57 since my client auto-linked it 18:46:14 "oh, ok, I'll just pretend it takes and returns int" (then the real thing uses something that doesn't fit in an int - BOOM) 18:46:59 Would best practice be to declare all my functions in a specific group, then, and after that to define them in order-they-should-probably-be-read then? 18:47:06 PleasingFungus: Hah. nice. 18:47:28 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:47:45 well, if you were lucky it went BOOM. if you weren't, you just got weird results 18:48:16 if C++ tried to do that, it *would* go boom (why yes, that inferred int has a vtable pointer in it *coredump*) 18:48:31 Brannock: might make things simpler for you if you have trouble remembering to stack up your static functions in the right order 18:48:44 we have a bunch of files that have random static functions declared at the top 18:48:51 it's not at all a big deal though either way 18:49:12 there's no house style and no bad consequences for doing it the 'wrong' way - it's not going to cause bugs, it just might take more or less of your time 18:49:26 nikheizen: personally i'd be fine with it but someone else might object 18:49:30 for some reason 18:49:46 i might change it if i think of a good phrasing 18:50:09 geekosaur: were you around when i ran into the horrible issue of multiple structs with the same name in different cpp files 18:50:17 yep 18:50:31 now that was a head-scratcher 18:50:37 <|amethyst> Your attack speed is below average (1.15) 18:50:53 Is there anything wrong with declaring functions in the middle of a file? e.g., mon-abil.cc is 1448 lines, seems more readable to declare specific dream_sheep functions right above where dream_sheep functions are defined 18:52:20 enh 18:53:59 -!- duralumin_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:14 Brannock: it's nice to group when convenient, but to look up symbols you should use your IDE or something like ctags 18:54:19 <|amethyst> nothing wrong exactly, but if I saw that I'd think "why not just re-order them?" much more than if I saw the declaration up top 18:55:09 "You take a.b turns on average to attack with your wielded weapon." 18:55:21 <|amethyst> it's 1 turn though 18:55:23 I mention that because people don't go reading the source files in sequence to find things 18:55:29 <|amethyst> as long as "turns" still exist 18:55:39 there's a develop doc that shows how to set up ctags 18:55:41 arbitrary units of turns 18:56:35 <|amethyst> Your attacks take on average 115% the time of a normal turn. 18:56:40 <|amethyst> * for values of "normal" 18:57:07 I thought 10 auts was a "turn". 18:57:11 does the displayed value change when you're slowed 18:57:15 nikheizen: no, one player action is a turn 18:57:20 Ah I see 18:57:23 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:57:33 note that hitting 5 is up to one hundred player actions 18:57:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:57:47 (since it's just simulating hitting . a lot) 18:58:12 a person might ask, how many turns does it take to swap jewellery? 18:58:15 <|amethyst> also, climbing stairs or eating food counts as multiple player actions 18:58:48 <|amethyst> but swinging the dark maul, or taking a step as a slowed naga of chei, only counts as one action 18:59:07 climbing stairs is multiple actions? 18:59:17 how many? 18:59:21 slowed naga of chei being constricted by wandering mangrove branches while moving through shallow water, -swift, and flash frozen 18:59:25 iirc it's about three 18:59:42 alright! playtesting checks out, I have successfully despoilerified dream sheep 18:59:43 there are partial player actions or are you just unsure 18:59:45 it's not even fixed 18:59:51 since the move delay is randomized 18:59:55 in water, that is 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:09 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:26 nikheizen: i don't remember 19:00:29 gammafunk: he's asking about stairs 19:00:32 <|amethyst> it's AscendingStairsDelay(1) 19:00:33 hence for proper bread-swinging calculations, you must assume the maximum delay to determin if you should slow-walk in water for regen 19:00:45 fwiw i forgot statue form 19:00:56 <|amethyst> two turns it looks like 19:00:58 and also called shambling mangroves "wandering" for some reason 19:01:00 I was responding to your 'iirc it's about three' 19:01:07 <|amethyst> one of which takes a long time 19:01:09 my "about three" was about stairs! 19:01:20 ok then I was responding to the line above 19:01:20 sorry, i was switching threads without signalling 19:01:23