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00:56:35 -!- sjl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:13 .lairendkills 01:03:14 Lair End kills (): 1078x evil_forest, 777x minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest, 714x evilmike_catoblepas_cave, 705x hangedman_lair_tendril_chambers, 634x guppyfry_lair_end_dragon, 588x wormcave, 581x grunt_lair_end_beastmaster, 576x minmay_lair_end_frog_pond, 496x hangedman_lair_in_review, 39x due_jungle_book, 23x gammafunk_lair_ancient_temple 01:03:27 .lairendkills current 01:03:28 Lair End kills (current): 171x evil_forest, 118x evilmike_catoblepas_cave, 103x grunt_lair_end_beastmaster, 91x minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest, 91x guppyfry_lair_end_dragon, 87x hangedman_lair_in_review, 86x hangedman_lair_tendril_chambers, 81x minmay_lair_end_frog_pond, 73x wormcave, 23x gammafunk_lair_ancient_temple, due_jungle_book 01:03:42 !lg kmap=evil_forest s=killer 01:03:43 No games for chequers (kmap=evil_forest). 01:03:48 !lg * curent kmap=evil_forest s=killer 01:03:48 No keyword 'curent' 01:03:54 !lg * current kmap=evil_forest s=killer 01:03:55 180 games for * (current kmap=evil_forest): 32x a sun demon, 26x a dire elephant, 26x an ice devil, 14x a red devil, 13x a hell beast, 9x a smoke demon, 7x an eight-headed hydra, 7x a sixfirhy, 6x an orange demon, 6x a six-headed hydra, 6x a seven-headed hydra, 4x a hellwing, 3x a wizard, 3x a boulder beetle, 2x a four-headed hydra, 2x a death yak, 2x a 12-headed hydra, 2x a spiny frog, a hell hou... 01:04:13 !lg * current kmap=evil_forest s=ckiller 01:04:14 180 games for * (current kmap=evil_forest): 32x a sun demon, 26x a dire elephant, 26x an ice devil, 25x a hydra, 14x a red devil, 13x a hell beast, 9x a smoke demon, 7x a sixfirhy, 6x an orange demon, 4x a hellwing, 3x a boulder beetle, 3x a wizard, 2x a spiny frog, 2x a death yak, a hell hound, a fire crab, a catoblepas, a blink frog, a komodo dragon, a rime drake, a torpor snail, a hippogriff 01:04:29 that hell room is p. deadly 01:06:20 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:14:14 .lairendkills lairtemple 01:14:15 Lair End kills (lairtemple): 23x gammafunk_lair_ancient_temple, 19x evil_forest, 8x evilmike_catoblepas_cave, 8x minmay_lair_end_frog_pond, 7x guppyfry_lair_end_dragon, 7x hangedman_lair_tendril_chambers, 6x wormcave, 6x grunt_lair_end_beastmaster, 5x minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest, 3x hangedman_lair_in_review 01:14:46 not as deadly as ancient temple, perhaps! 01:19:24 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1097-g38e3b35 (34) 01:20:11 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:21:41 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:22:26 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:23:01 03Brannock02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.19-a0-1098-g36ee1bc: Monster creation checklist. 10(9 hours ago, 1 file, 116+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/36ee1bccb979 01:28:09 03Brannock02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.19-a0-1099-g481dbaa: Stronger messaging for Dg attribute boost. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 6+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/481dbaaddee5 01:29:06 -!- xorxor has joined ##crawl-dev 01:29:43 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:29:52 dramatic is a good choice 01:30:10 probably still a little obtuse but it doesn't really matter 01:30:25 i wish xormask hadn't sent me a bunch of messages while i wasn't in the channel 01:30:33 !tell xormask use !tell to talk to me when i'm not around 01:30:33 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let xormask know. 01:31:35 -!- elan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:31:41 |amethyst: wrt xom vault: vault monster 'sheep' with lower hd, no spells, maybe the old sheep tile 01:31:55 PleasingFungus, it occurs to me that having specific breakpoints for dream sheep sleep is spoilery 01:32:11 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:14 |amethyst: i don't think cyclops flavor matters at all, especially given it only exists in shoals 01:32:24 Brannock: remind me how the sheep breakpoints work 01:32:34 PleasingFungus is there a quick way to tell if a user is in the channel 01:32:51 if 6+ sleep for 5-20, if 3+ sleep for ~5, if <3 no sleep 01:32:59 xorxor: i have no idea what irc client you use 01:33:21 irssi, I didn't know if I could just ask Sequell or something 01:33:21 generally your client should provide a list of people in the channel 01:33:29 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:33:34 http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/Irssi_Tutorial#Frequently_Asked_Questions 01:33:42 irssi sounds bad 01:33:55 I use hexchat. what do crawl devs use? 01:34:14 PleasingFungus, whaaaaat 01:34:30 chatzilla is and will forever be the king of irc clients 01:34:37 despite being unsupported and unmaintained for a million years 01:34:40 is typing /names ##crawl-dev that hard 01:34:53 i wonder if irssi has tab-completion 01:34:55 that's another clue 01:35:07 It does 01:35:09 Brannock: could probably be made more linear, ya 01:35:24 xorxor: you can always ask sequell !seen 01:35:27 !seen xorxor 01:35:27 I last saw xorxor at Mon Aug 8 05:35:06 2016 UTC (20s ago) saying 'It does' on ##crawl-dev. 01:35:31 !seen PleasingFungus 01:35:31 Sorry PleasingFungus, that person is dead. 01:35:40 :O 01:35:51 put_to_sleep has a minimum of 5 turns, so even if changing to linear, there'd be that jump from 0 to 5 01:35:56 unless that function was rewritten 01:36:03 which seems above my classification 01:36:03 !source put_to_sleep 01:36:03 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc#L5719 01:36:07 PleasingFungus, did you want me to send you the messages that I sent when you were gone again 01:36:11 !source put_to_sleep 2 01:36:12 2/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#L7451 01:36:28 i read them and then immediately forgot them. i'm very tired 01:36:32 i should probably sleep 01:36:42 it was something about scrolls and starting books? 01:36:48 PleasingFungus, k I'll just implement it and you can tell me it's crap afterwards 01:36:50 oh 01:37:05 i can tell you it's crap now 01:37:06 if that helps 01:37:13 rip. 01:37:28 i don't think anyone on the dev team is super enthusiastic about single-spell books 01:37:30 though i could be wrong 01:37:37 No no, not single spell books 01:37:41 oh? 01:37:48 I just meant you r a book and it gets added to your library 01:38:10 And then the next step would be auto reading on pickup (ie goldifying) 01:38:28 that's not exactly goldifying 01:38:32 so the book is like a scroll, after you read it, it disappears 01:38:39 yeah, the disappearing part is key 01:38:55 anyway, that'd be an improvement on yr library patch 01:39:21 dang, put_to_sleep being called all over the place 01:39:24 I'm just saying it's an easier first step than having them just be auto goldified cause you can just make it so trog users can't r the books 01:40:46 and you can leave the class starting books in the inventory then they just r it when the game starts 01:40:54 (which is a little non optimal, but...) 01:41:21 seems very simple to fix that 01:41:24 probably 01:41:56 I mean you could have them start with no book and their starting book spells already in the library 01:42:09 but that requires more changes 01:42:25 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:42:25 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:43:28 it would have to be done, though you wouldn't need to be the person who did it 01:43:47 for the record, i'm still not entirely excited about the whole library idea 01:43:50 but maybe it's inevitable 01:44:23 PleasingFungus, what are your reservations? 01:44:25 beware the streamlining cost 01:45:00 some vague sense of feel. a perverse reluctance to do things that people on tavern want. 01:45:07 i'd need to sleep on it to give a more solid answer. 01:45:36 ok no worries. I haven't followed tavern so I can't comment on that. 01:45:40 maybe count sheep and then have a dream 01:46:09 with every streamlining that crawl implements, there's fewer and fewer inputs required from the player. there's perhaps an instinctive reluctance to go further down that slope and to preserve player interaction. not all player interaction is strictly positive for player experience, but player interaction in and of itself helps attachment to the game and a sense that the player controls what they're doing 01:46:09 I'll whip something up, people can play around with it, and if it's crap, it's crap. 01:46:25 it might make sense to automate spell memorization, but that's one fewer thing for the player to do 01:46:26 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 01:47:19 Brannock, I don't want to automate spell mem, just spellbook inventory management. But still, I see your point. 01:47:52 Brannock: that is an argument so bad that it is persuading me toward the library point of view 01:47:53 sorry 01:47:58 spell memory, vs spell memorization, I'm being unclear with my terminology 01:48:17 we have never, ever wanted to encourage meaningless and repetitive "player interaction" 01:48:23 no apologies needed, if it's a bad argument, it's a bad one 01:49:04 crawl ideology is a cruel mistress 01:49:18 brannock already recommended Cheibriados for a Mu 01:49:20 so he's dead to me 01:49:28 haha 01:52:19 -!- Zekka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:21 hey, gammafunk, you should answer foodahn's question about rebinding keys in the sa thread 01:55:09 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1099-g481dbaa 01:59:37 so should reading a book with blurry vision add a delay to adding it to your library? that seems internally consistent, I doubt it would have any effect on gameplay. 02:00:12 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:27 nah 02:00:32 -!- Rast-- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:45 -!- Rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:01:03 what you should do, probably, is send an email to crd 02:01:05 ??crd 02:01:05 c-r-d[1/2]: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss 02:01:10 so dpeg can object 02:01:37 PleasingFungus, while I agree with the idea of "reduce meaningless player interaction" (and quite strongly at that) I'm struggling to reconcile it with its other implications. if you find an eveningstar should it be permanently added to your armory? you never have to go back and pick it up from wherever you left it. should an eveningstar be different from a given spell from :power? 02:02:46 Brannock, you can swap to an eveningstart and use it in battle immediately if it's in your inventory. Even if a spell is in your library, you still have to have free spell slots and take the time to memorise it before you can use it 02:02:58 *eveningstar 02:02:59 true 02:03:25 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:06 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:04:44 shrug, I can't really define my ideas as precisely as I'd like at this time of night. I have reservations but perhaps for different reasons. if an encompassing library system was implemented I'd probably happily use it 02:04:48 Wait this is literally what someone already did https://sourceforge.net/p/crawl-ref/mailman/message/35246944/ 02:05:17 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:05:33 what someone already *proposed* 02:06:11 Ah yes I saw the title being a branch 02:06:32 I think nobookamnesia is somethign else 02:06:38 you might be able to find that branch on github.com/crawl/crawl 02:06:39 Yeah you're right 02:06:54 No that's stopping you from being able to destroy a book to forget a spell 02:07:01 wasn't that implemented? 02:07:04 Yeah 02:07:32 -!- packet_loss has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:07:33 I'm having a hard time following the sourceforge interface I can't tell if anyone responded to Bcraden's proposal 02:08:12 sourceforge emails look like they're oldest-first, and it looks like bcadren replied to PleasingFungus's response to dpeg 02:08:49 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:08:52 like i implied earlier (and may have said outright some time before that?), the idea of a spell library is very far from new 02:09:23 No I know, but Bcraden outlined what I intend to implement, so I was just surprised at the coincidence 02:09:40 I guess it makes sense for some type of "logic" 02:09:41 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1099-g481dbaa (34) 02:09:47 very good quotes 02:09:48 people who play the same game often have similar ideas, especially when a system has problems that are apparent to these who actively use it 02:10:44 PleasingFungus, don't worry I have no delusions about my own logical shortcomings. 02:11:01 So I take it no one responded to Bcraden? 02:11:26 that is a pretty safe rule of thumb 02:11:46 :) 02:12:18 For him specifically or is this a general thing? 02:12:28 -!- sysice has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:14:02 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:14:08 you devs should balance your game better. look what the poor dcss-ca dev has to do https://github.com/jeremygurr/dcssca/commit/1a711d1dfa03bed3f1bf840d771c934e73c37157 02:14:42 for bcadren specifically, yes 02:14:52 chequers: :P 02:14:58 that seems to be a response to his own changes! 02:15:11 glad to see he's still working on it 02:16:55 How often do crawl devs draw inspiration from forks? 02:17:03 generally speaking 02:18:35 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:19:55 we haven't had very many 02:19:57 not in a long time 02:20:11 and dev's been slow lately 02:20:19 i have a todo item to steal stuff from dcss-ca, but the one thing i've stolen so far was broken 02:20:31 not in a fun way, just in a technical "does not work" way 02:22:02 Why has dev been slow lately? Summer lull? 02:23:26 What is the general opinion on runtime polymorphism as a way to get around massive switch statements? 02:29:04 <|amethyst> xorxor: it can be a win sometimes, but not always and maybe not usually 02:29:43 <|amethyst> xorxor: better is to express things in data tables when possible 02:31:21 |amethyst I was just looking at things like the read_scroll switch statements 02:32:19 <|amethyst> IMO that's a case where there isn't much benefit to OOifying it 02:32:33 <|amethyst> it just turns 02:32:38 <|amethyst> case SCR_ENCHANT_WEAPON: 02:32:38 <|amethyst> if (!alreadyknown) 02:32:38 <|amethyst> { 02:32:38 <|amethyst> mpr(pre_succ_msg); 02:32:38 <|amethyst> mpr("It is a scroll of enchant weapon."); 02:32:40 <|amethyst> // included in default force_more_message (to show it before menu) 02:32:43 <|amethyst> } 02:32:46 <|amethyst> cancel_scroll = !_handle_enchant_weapon(alreadyknown, pre_succ_msg); 02:32:48 <|amethyst> break; 02:32:51 <|amethyst> into 02:32:59 Brannock: iiam 02:33:15 <|amethyst> struct enchant_weapon : public scroll { void operator()(bool alreadyknown) { if (!...) ... } } 02:34:12 <|amethyst> potions are implemented in such a way, though 02:34:26 |amethyst, there is a lot of boiler plate, but it may make the outer function easier to read... 02:34:43 I don't feel strongly either way honestly, just curious what your thoughts were 02:35:01 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:16 i much prefer reading potion.cc to ability.cc fwiw 02:36:54 because when I grep for an ability in ability.cc, it's spread out in about four places, and when you randomly land in the middle of a multi-hundred/thousand line function it's hard to tell which of the functions you're looking at 02:37:27 like, it's generally more the case that I am looking for a single ability than a single function in ability.cc 02:38:45 <|amethyst> yeah, abilities have enough stuff associated with them that it would probably make sense to do that 02:39:17 <|amethyst> though you don't necessarily need OO; function pointers in ability_def would work as well 02:39:45 idk that oo would give you very much there, yeah 02:39:48 !source ability.cc 02:39:48 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ability.cc 02:40:12 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:40:26 <|amethyst> some low-hanging fruit there 02:40:32 mm? 02:40:34 <|amethyst> move hungerCheck into ability_def 02:40:47 heh, yes 02:40:47 <|amethyst> as a flag presumably 02:41:00 there weren't that many of them, once 02:41:23 <|amethyst> also maybe something with adjusted_failure_chance? 02:41:28 <|amethyst> s/adj/_adj/ 02:42:32 iirc that function is all the stuff i couldn't neatly fold into the struct 02:42:36 the special cases 02:42:38 oh yeah, i'm not attached to oo, just some way to put everything related to an ability in one place 02:42:52 it used to be another multi-hundred-line one 02:43:07 <|amethyst> first slot from find_ability_slot can also go into the struct 02:43:21 <|amethyst> at least the common cases 02:43:39 agh 02:43:45 yeah 02:44:02 that's another one of those blocks of code that... metastasized 02:45:05 <|amethyst> Pleasing Fungus, code oncologist 02:46:13 what can i tell you, i'm feelin real crabby tonight. 02:46:20 the best way to treat code cancer is 02:46:22 r e m o v e 02:46:30 !remove gammafunk 02:46:33 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-1100-g56b2fe9: Checkwhite monster_creation.txt. 10(17 seconds ago, 1 file, 72+ 72-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/56b2fe98da46 02:46:38 03PleasingFungus ⛐ 0.19-a0-734-g24484dd: Remove gammafunk 10(in the future, 40 files, 541+ 345-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=24484dd 02:46:41 ironically, those millimarvins... 02:46:53 72+, 72- is also nice 02:46:59 <|amethyst> stupid surgeon only do stupid remove 02:48:44 heh 02:49:37 !remove dying 02:49:38 03Kramin ⛐ 0.19-a0-735-g26c34f6: Remove dying 10(in the future, 7 files, 910+ 722-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=26c34f6 02:49:59 <|amethyst> hmm 02:51:49 Kramin: now what will ilsuiw do 02:52:03 live a happy life 02:52:18 I guess it's possible her hair is naturally that colour 02:52:24 <|amethyst> evaluating whether (and how) to have !commitby ensure the commit has net -lines if the message contains /[Rr]emove/ 02:52:31 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 02:52:51 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1099-g481dbaa 02:53:45 removing dying is just suprisingly complicated 02:53:57 all that extra living going on requires a bunch more code 02:54:27 <|amethyst> !learn set ~commitby[1] 1200 02:54:27 ~commitby[1/1]: 1200 02:54:39 <|amethyst> !remove stupid 02:54:40 03|amethyst ⛐ 0.19-a0-1201-g505fa51: Remove stupid 10(in the future, 43 files, 750+ 561-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=505fa51 02:55:15 !cmd !remove 02:55:15 Command: !remove => !commit Remove ${*} 02:55:20 that's a lot of stupid 02:55:33 !cmd !commit 02:55:33 Command: !commit => !commitby ${nick} ${*} 02:55:38 !cmd !commitby 02:55:38 Command: !commitby => .echo $(let (v (=version) c (=commitby.counter) h (randhex 7) f (+ 1 (rand 50)) a (+ 200 (rand 799)) r (+ 200 (rand 799))) "03${1:-$nick} ⛐ ${v}-a0-${c}-g${h}: ${*:-do stuff} 10(in the future, $f files, ${a}+ ${r}-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=${h}") 02:56:52 <|amethyst> also, someone should find a nice URL on github for commit.png so the URL doesn't stand out as much compared to normal announcements 02:57:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:58:49 I wonder if there's any design space for a X-shaped V:$ (vs the default +-shaped V:$) 02:59:03 Or whether it'd add anything meaningful 02:59:21 just https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/? 03:00:02 !vault spider 03:00:04 Can't find spider. 03:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:14 how do I get spider end vaults 03:00:15 <|amethyst> Kramin: but you don't get the picture that way 03:00:33 oh right 03:00:43 I didn't click the link :P 03:01:08 <|amethyst> !source dat/des/brances/spider.des:1381 03:01:09 Can't find dat/des/brances/spider.des. 03:01:12 <|amethyst> err 03:01:16 <|amethyst> !source dat/des/branches/spider.des:1381 03:01:17 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/spider.des#L1381 03:02:23 <|amethyst> (in general branch-specific vaults are in dat/des/branches/foo.des but then you have to search to find the ends, e.g. for /PLACE:/ 03:02:26 <|amethyst> ) 03:04:23 <|amethyst> Brannock is secretly a Scottish nationalist 03:04:40 haha 03:05:01 <|amethyst> Or the suggestion was meant to be saltirical 03:05:33 neither, I was just spectating a game and realizing that every single V:$ is cross-quadrant 03:05:48 I don't think tilting it 45 degrees would add anything interesting (beyond visually), though 03:06:04 <|amethyst> would require double the number of end vaults :) 03:06:10 <|amethyst> s/end vaults/subvaults/ 03:06:50 <|amethyst> the different geometry around the open corners might be interesting 03:07:07 <|amethyst> since presumably those would turn into open edges 03:08:54 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1100-g56b2fe9 (34) 03:09:08 <|amethyst> arguably it would be stepping on Vestibule's toes 03:09:47 ah, I'd forgotten Vestibule can be X-laid out 03:09:57 been a while since I did extended 03:10:25 <|amethyst> !vault vestibule_of_hell_subvaulted 03:10:25 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/hell.des#L646 03:11:09 <|amethyst> (it's a bit different from what a saltire V:$ would look like, but the triangle subvaults are pretty close other than being too small 03:11:12 <|amethyst> ) 03:14:19 |amethyst: add the diesrobin png to the repo, claim it's a development document 03:14:44 !cmd =version 03:14:44 Command: =version => .echo $(sprintf "%1.2f" (+ 0.01 (re-replace ".+cv>=" "" (!kw current)))) 03:17:37 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:18:01 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1100-g56b2fe9 (34) 03:18:36 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 03:19:04 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:24:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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Or github issues? 12:30:22 mantis, yes 12:30:47 i actually don't know where i'd look on github to see issues? 12:32:27 The feature seems to be disabled for the crawl repo? it would normally be a tab next to Pull Requests 12:32:27 xormask: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:32:32 !messages 12:32:33 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (11h 2m 1s ago): use !tell to talk to me when i'm not around 12:32:44 neat 12:35:06 PleasingFungus: yeah. github has issue trakcer. 12:35:42 been planning to start contributing, if I can, for a while now. Looking through to see if there is anything that sounds doable. 12:36:19 ??simple implementables 12:36:19 simple implementables[1/1]: http://tinyurl.com/zaskueb 12:36:27 ^ notionally suitable for new contributors 12:38:33 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:39:32 ah cool. Thanks. 12:42:00 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:42:22 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:43:33 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:47:50 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:17 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:54:52 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:40 -!- hypersanka has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:57:55 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:58:08 -!- pyrotecnix has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 12:59:01 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:41 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:31 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:15 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:10:34 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:15:00 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1100-g56b2fe9 (34) 13:15:13 New branch created: desolation (5 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/desolation 13:15:14 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amalloy todo[10/10]: Try again to fix Damnation so it only fails after targeting 13:29:37 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:22 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:32:22 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32:52 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:32:57 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:52 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:41 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:25 New branch created: pull/323 (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/323 13:36:25 03Brennan Shacklett02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/323 * 0.19-a0-1089-gab0dadf: Clean up spell memorization code 10(22 hours ago, 5 files, 28+ 60-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ab0dadf1b15b 13:36:25 03Brennan Shacklett02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/323 * 0.19-a0-1090-g8c557e8: Add a spell library, and allow (r)eading books to put them in your library 10(27 minutes ago, 10 files, 113+ 56-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8c557e881c80 13:36:41 -!- crate_ has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 13:36:59 PleasingFungus: ^ there is a second attempt 13:38:36 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:42 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:38:49 Ah he isn't here 13:38:53 !messages 13:38:53 No messages for xormask. 13:39:21 !tell PleasingFungus, here is a second library attempt https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/323 13:39:21 Sorry xormask, I don't know who pleasingfungus, is. 13:39:58 :/ 13:40:07 !tell PleasingFungus here is a second library attempt https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/323 13:40:08 xormask: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 13:40:19 tricky comma 13:40:39 -!- whig has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:41:40 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:40 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:43 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:50:08 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 13:50:11 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 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(desolation - 3374eea #6302 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/150699839 14:00:00 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:59 amalloy_: probably it shouldn't be using your_spells at all, but should instead be using zapping(), as with the various breathe abilities (ABIL_SPIT_ACID etc) 14:00:59 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:01:27 xormask: why "enum spell_type : int"? 14:02:50 also, and of course this predates your refactoring, why not just have _get_book_spells() return errors rather than taking them as a reference parameter? 14:04:01 -!- Vektorweg11 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:15 -!- Vektorweg11 has quit [Client Quit] 14:06:18 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:20 enum spell_type : int was because I was using hash for unordered_set 14:06:36 I just wanted to be explicit that it was an int backing it 14:06:45 PleasingFungus ^ 14:06:48 -!- Vektorweg1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:07:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:23 PleasingFungus, I would honestly prefer to have the M screen only show books in your library 14:07:33 and then just delete _get_book_spells entirely 14:07:37 do you need to specify the hash type? 14:07:53 Yes because enums don't work by default as hash keys 14:07:59 cause standard defect (apparently) 14:08:27 i assumed that part of the library changes would be to make M only draw from the library 14:08:47 Yeah I just didn't do that quite yet 14:08:58 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1101-gcdb7c7b (34) 14:09:08 It's quite easy, just thought that some people might like just being able to M off the ground? :/ 14:09:18 ? 14:09:38 we're adding stuff to the library automatically, right? 14:09:47 No this patch doesn't do that yet 14:09:59 that's why I put in in the last paragraph about next steps 14:10:06 For this you have to r the book 14:10:25 (cause it was simple, and the Trog issue) 14:10:33 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:11:18 After you r the book, it crumbles to dust and the spells go in your library 14:11:38 It seems like autoreading on pickup is easy enough? 14:15:40 i feel like we want to step back somewhat more and think about how things should work, rather than what changes should be made from the current setup 14:16:32 Ok 14:17:49 I mean the way I personally think it should work is you read a book, it's spells go in your library, the book goes away, and you later M spells (aka what this patch does). Personally I think the whole autoadd to library thing is super messy and nonintuitive. 14:18:00 Why? 14:18:05 What's the mess? 14:18:26 Edge cases like Trog? 14:18:38 And you lose the book descriptions 14:18:44 which maybe people don't care about 14:18:47 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:19:10 I'd be sad about book descriptions, but it's not a big deal. 14:19:17 Trog is simple. 14:19:42 For me the book description is the main thing, since this patch you can still read the book description through i 14:19:51 like you would be able to with a scroll etc. 14:20:06 goal of books: fixed, thematic and/or mechanical collections of spells; also, piety for trog (thematic). if books don't "do" anything in your inventory, i would remove the notion of (r)eading books entirely (r can now be a scroll-only function, which is nice), and just make the action of "picking up" a book add it to your library and vanish it. ("It's a Book of Fire! you add it to your... 14:20:08 ...library.") Troggites would be forbidden from taking books. 14:20:15 This seems pretty simple to me. 14:21:09 yeah... 14:21:29 But then you lose the "tactical" things you can do with burning books as trog right? 14:21:40 book burning seems like it would have to go entirely though, really 14:21:47 Since otherwise it'd encourage luring? 14:21:56 -!- sysice has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:22:12 Could remove the enormous clouds of flame and leave the book destruction -> piety mechanic. 14:22:14 and never stepping on a book if you're an atheist intending to maybe go trog 14:22:35 Just turn books off autopickup 14:22:42 sure, that's a bad thing to have to do also though 14:22:54 I don't see why. It seems like an incredible edge case. 14:23:14 PleasingFungus, with books vanishing on pickup is you sorta lose the thematic collection concept from your goal of books 14:23:30 *that should have said my problem with books... 14:23:37 Do you? I mean, you pick up a Book of Fire, now you know a bunch of fire spells. Cool! 14:23:41 or can know them. 14:23:49 -!- docnvk has quit [Excess Flood] 14:23:50 Since we still have the memorization split. 14:23:53 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:16 Currently I list all the spells you added in a comma separated list 14:24:23 does that seem reasonable? 14:24:28 sure 14:25:37 So what was the Trog consensus? Aren't people going to be sad if you remove book burning? 14:25:52 We have not yet reached consensus. 14:26:05 afaik. 14:26:07 they will be sad but maybe it's fine if the interface improvement is a big enough one 14:26:38 So you still want to remove book burning entirely, because of the hypothetical optimal annoyance to atheist aspiring troggites? 14:26:43 Hm, that sounds really dismissive 14:27:27 obviously, when you join trog, you auto-burn your library 14:27:28 i think it would just not be a thing worth keeping, the fact that it causes that weird edge case is a point against it 14:27:42 Or.. you could let people pick up spell books and r them, and just have an option to auto "r," any new spellbook 14:27:50 as is the fact that it wouldn't work as a combat ability 14:28:12 xormask: but why waste everyone's time? 14:28:23 it reminds me of ash giving piety from runes, and the similar weird edge case there 14:28:54 PleasingFungus, because if they feel their time is being wasted, they turn on the option, and "r," in one turn and have the exact same effect 14:29:23 So why bother with all the added complexity? 14:29:24 And people who like flavor can still pick up the book, read about it in the inventory screen etc 14:29:36 and Trog people can still carry books around and drop them and burn them 14:29:55 could just force-drop books when you join trog, then don't burn them until after the player moves off the tile 14:30:17 Brannock: ??? 14:30:34 xormask: would we have this option on or off by default? 14:31:06 PleasingFungus, personally I would have it off by default because I think it is friendlier to new players who get to look at the book etc 14:31:10 adding options is bad and should be avoided where possible, and this sounds like an option that it would be extremely possible to avoid adding :P 14:31:25 Seems like it's not very nice to new players to waste their time until they discover this option, then. 14:31:49 The sort of repetitive annoyance that drives off players. 14:32:21 I think there is a fair segment of new players who like soaking in the flavor of the game, I know I did. 14:32:41 Also spellbooks are rare. Having to r, every once in awhile is not a big deal in my opinion 14:32:51 Flavor is nice, but flavor is not worth annoyance. 14:33:16 There are many, many sources of flavor in crawl. Sometimes some are removed, sometimes some are added. 14:33:23 It is not worth defending every scrap of text to the death. 14:34:29 fair enough. I figured no one would agree on this point, and that's fine. But it still doesn't solve the Trog issue. Can Trog worshippers pick up books and they just don't get "autoread" 14:34:40 crawl philosophy definitely values interface over flavour, yeah - i'd be sad to see book burning go (if that ended up being a part of the change), but it'd be worth it for a good interface improvement 14:35:51 Maybe a new Trog ability where every spellbook you picked up would get added to some sort of Trog queue and then the ability would burn a book from the queue? 14:35:54 Seems like it'd be weird for troggites to treat books as real items that take up inventory space etc when no one else does. Would also be funny since, presumably, they'd be the only ones who got to see inventory descriptions. 14:36:06 PleasingFungus, yeah it would be a mess 14:36:12 heh, instead of a library, a book pile 14:36:39 seems like sort of a mess for anyone planning to convert to or away from trog, like mpa was saying 14:36:45 in terms of Hypothetically Optimal Behavior 14:37:04 Ah yes... 14:37:57 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:47 not an urgent question. we don't have to come to a conclusion right now. 14:38:56 i maintain that you should send an email to c-r-d. 14:40:17 I will. 14:40:38 MarvinPA: " I got to use infestation finally. It's really good. It's like the death channel of extended, once you get that ball rolling you become a wave of destruction. They do respectable damage, aren't that fragile, and slow everything around them. The only demon lord I wasn't able to drown in a tide of beetles was Cerebov. A+ melee support spell." 14:40:40 Trog wrath could burn every discovered spellbook in th edungeon 14:41:06 pricey 14:41:08 mmm nice 14:41:22 i still haven't tried it myself properly in a real game! should do that sometime 14:42:03 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:04 The build has errored. 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