00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:17 -!- qguv has quit [Quit: bye] 00:02:27 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:02:43 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1079-g88a7474 (34) 00:04:12 -!- neizenel has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:06:18 !tell wheals it's starting to look like we're not going to find a third for devselrobin. would you mind if i invited Kramin to fill out the team? 00:06:19 amalloy: OK, I'll let wheals know. 00:07:19 I made a team "features" 00:07:31 if you want a better name let me know :P 00:07:40 otherwise $signup features 00:08:47 ??reserved clan names[wheals 00:08:48 reserved_clan_names[5/25]: Beautiful Crash Blossom [wheals] 00:09:12 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:30 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:09:33 Kramin: IMO pending-removals. name the characters after players' three favorite things 00:09:49 ok 00:09:56 !lg food 00:09:57 4. Food the Insei (L3 SETm), mangled by Grinder on D:3 on 2012-11-15 19:16:10, with 150 points after 1303 turns and 0:10:01. 00:10:32 join ##dieselrobin :D 00:12:27 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:39 Brannock: the diff vanished before i saw it 00:17:20 oh, sorry. how long should I set expiration for? anyway, here's a new one http://pastebin.com/xu29ZdNz 00:17:32 does it need to expire? 00:17:53 what's the error you're getting? I bet it's about the + " Increase" 00:18:27 candidate expects 3 arguments, 2 provided. and 'no known conversion for argument 2 from 'const string' ... 00:18:41 team errors 00:18:41 can't copy highlighted text in msys 00:18:44 give me a line number, please. 00:18:53 106, 107 00:19:01 !source player-stats.cc 00:19:02 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player-stats.cc 00:20:12 that doesn't seem right. 00:20:18 what's your line 106? 00:20:34 crawl_state.stat_gain_prompt = true; 00:20:39 god, this is like doing surgery by phone 00:20:43 and what is the exact error? 00:21:10 because the errors you are giving me do not correspond to that line 00:21:26 sounds to me like you haven't compiled since saving the file, maybe 00:21:51 I've attempted to compile multiple times. Should I just screencap the error messages? Also tomorrow I'm gonna figure out a better cli 00:21:53 -!- sjl has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:22:06 sure, better than nothing 00:22:22 fun fact: trying to debug on windows is even worse than trying to compile on it 00:22:26 since you don't get stack traces 00:22:50 <|amethyst> Brannock: "copy" should appear in the window menu (app icon in the upper left) I think 00:23:10 I am sorry for the inconvenience! http://i.imgur.com/lnKngEM.png 00:23:44 aha 00:23:48 I could not find a copy option but I did find the keyboard shortcut for copy, it's Ctrl/Shift + Ins 00:23:49 got it 00:23:56 it was the exact thing i was wondering about earlier 00:24:03 brannock, look carefully at the line numbers you gave me 00:24:10 do you notice anything about them? 00:24:22 mpr.h:107:6 00:24:26 ifdef 00:24:36 mpr.h:106:6 00:24:50 <|amethyst> in general, when reading error messages, you want to start from the top 00:24:53 the line numbers you were giving me were the line numbers for the function definitions. 00:24:53 crawl_state.stat_gain_prompt = true; 00:25:10 those are line numbers in a different file. 00:25:10 is 106 00:25:10 <|amethyst> player-stats.cc:123:49: error <- that's your first error message, and is the important one 00:25:23 the line numbers you were giving me were for mpr.h, not player-stats.cc 00:25:28 ugh 00:25:34 anyway 00:25:47 the problem here is that you're passing a string into a function that expects a const char* 00:25:49 which is an extremely c++ 00:25:51 pf, will you become a pioneer in the exciting field of phone surgery? 00:26:08 the solution is 00:26:15 my phone could use some surgery 00:26:21 mprf(MSGCH_INTRINSIC_GAIN, "%s", stat_gain_message); 00:26:26 <|amethyst> no 00:26:28 no? 00:26:30 <|amethyst> you still need .c_str() 00:26:30 oh 00:26:31 fuck 00:26:33 .c_str() 00:26:35 got damn it 00:26:38 *gott 00:26:49 i was outthinking myself. 00:26:59 never trust yourself 00:27:08 c_str converts the string to a string? 00:27:14 <|amethyst> ugh, why don't we have an mpr() that takes a message channel :( 00:27:26 <|amethyst> Brannock: it gets the C string (char *) out of a C++ string (string) 00:27:32 ah 00:28:07 |amethyst: sounds like an easy wrapper to make 00:28:15 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: we used to have one 00:28:16 like eazy-e 00:28:20 oh? 00:28:25 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: IIRC kilobyte removed it 00:28:29 lol 00:28:35 do you remember why? 00:28:51 <|amethyst> looking for the commit 00:28:58 %git ec5babf52457f197efca55ab2292050a270e34f9 00:28:58 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1152-gec5babf: Restrict mpr() to literals only. 10(2 years, 8 months ago, 26 files, 66+ 66-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ec5babf52457 00:29:09 lol 00:29:47 that one's pretty funny, imo 00:29:49 player-stats.cc:123:63: warning: format '%S' expects argument of type 'wchar_t*', but argument 3 has type 'const char*' [-Wformat=] 00:29:56 <|amethyst> Brannock: lowercase 00:29:56 lower case s. 00:30:07 what is a wchar_t, anyway? 00:30:17 <|amethyst> wide character 00:30:17 wide characters 00:30:18 "compiler-dependent and therefore not very portable" 00:30:21 nice 00:30:21 <|amethyst> yep 00:30:27 fixed and thank you all again for helping me edit a tiny amount of text 00:30:27 <|amethyst> 16-bit most places, 32-bit some 00:30:37 sounds very c 00:30:47 ah, c90 00:30:50 a different time 00:31:09 <|amethyst> 8-bit in some places even 00:31:26 gross 00:32:01 Brannock: np. i love coding 00:32:37 I like that it found that commit in the unsummon branch 00:33:01 ah 00:33:06 that's just it finding matching tags! 00:33:10 there's something weird it does with - yeah 00:33:20 but i'll second the lols 00:36:29 as part of this change I'm submitting I want to mildly edit a manual entry. git doesn't seem to be detecting changes made in /docs/ though, only in /source/. 00:36:52 don't edit the manual 00:37:02 not in the git repo 00:37:13 you have to go to the wiki and edit it there, and then sync it to the repo, and then commit that 00:37:18 ah 00:37:32 it's awful and i've wanted to get rid of the process for ages, but i remember there being some technical hurdle 00:38:29 Yeah, I think |amethyst and I did some lazy investigating, and we found that github's UI can render rest files 00:38:45 but our file extension (.reST) isn't detected as such by github 00:39:01 but perhaps we could rename that file and update the make process 00:39:11 then people could simply edit the file in the repo 00:39:40 maybe I'll try that right now; just converting to something like markdown isn't as easy since we need a non-dependent way to convert from md to text 00:39:51 as in we don't want to depend on something like pandoc 00:40:20 <|amethyst> didn't someone say that github is capable of rendering ReST? 00:40:32 yeah, see above 00:40:33 it's the file extension 00:40:34 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:40:35 <|amethyst> oh 00:40:36 <|amethyst> doh 00:40:39 .rst 00:40:41 <|amethyst> I should read scrollback 00:40:43 is what we should use 00:40:51 <|amethyst> and not just the last line that people type 00:41:14 if you did that, i would reward you handsomely 00:41:23 just like the guy who won my famed lava snake corpse challenge 00:41:26 um, like you rewarde...lol 00:41:31 :) 00:41:38 too slow! prize void 00:42:12 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:42:35 looks like I can delete the makefile 'rest' target, and update the dependent targets to depend on the renamed file... 00:42:43 <|amethyst> And if you gaze long into a prize void, the prize void also gazes into you 00:43:04 <|amethyst> gammafunk: the switchover should also involve removing the page on the wiki I think 00:43:08 yep 00:43:24 also updating the wonderfly named .PHONY target 00:43:28 <|amethyst> or I guess changing it to a link to the blob page on github 00:43:41 *wonderfully, although fr: wonderfly 00:43:44 the demon of the infinite void smiles upon you... and gives you a prize! 00:44:10 probably redirect to the non-blob actually 00:44:19 -!- AndChat-596400 has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:44:26 hrm, well I'll see what that link is like/where it is used 00:44:27 <|amethyst> I wonder if .PHONY comes from rms, or from some pre-GNU make 00:44:43 <|amethyst> does geekosaur know? 00:45:59 <|amethyst> also, I've been learning MATLAB this summer to teach it starting in a couple of weeks 00:46:08 <|amethyst> that's a quirky language 00:46:13 gammafunk: .PHONY is actually a name that is special to make, not a wonderful choice we made 00:46:32 ah, well it's still a wonderfully named target! 00:46:42 .PHONY came from the original bell labs make 00:46:48 good god... 00:46:48 <|amethyst> geekosaur: ah 00:46:53 7th research edition 00:47:01 awesome 00:49:40 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:50:18 <|amethyst> geekosaur: I imagine not an actual part of Make's rules, but simply the assumption that no one would have a file with that name? 00:50:47 rules starting with . were always special in the original make 00:50:47 <|amethyst> ah 00:50:56 <|amethyst> didn't find anything searching for "phony" 00:51:42 so if you had a rule ".foo: ..." it was not about that file, it was a suffix rule where the second suffix was empty (gmake "%: %.foo: ...") 00:53:00 hm, I think v7 make had that. pwb/unix didn't have that particular special case iirc, so .filename: didn't do anything special 00:53:28 don';t recall if it made v7, or came later :/ 00:53:55 <|amethyst> v7 manual mentions ".IGNORE" and ".DEFAULT" and ".SILENT" explicitly, anyway 00:53:56 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:54:05 <|amethyst> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan/vol2/make 00:54:34 Are we still updating the sourceforge release binaries? 00:54:40 I know that seems to come up every release 00:54:51 <|amethyst> I think we should 00:55:08 hm. maybe I am misremembering but I thought .PHONY was in the make manual in my old vol2 set 00:55:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:56:01 looks like we haven't updated since 0.16.1 00:56:07 <|amethyst> hm 00:58:05 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:58:33 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:58:44 amd bleagh, mosrt of those :s should be ;s. sigh 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:22 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:28 -!- MaBunny has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:32 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:01:31 my client's automatic smiley functionality really paid off on that message 01:01:48 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:02:11 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:03:20 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: IMO crank up that sucker's sensitivity so it replaces the number 80 as well 01:03:39 !! 01:03:44 0_0 01:04:53 <|amethyst> Now I imagine a PHB with an auto-smilifying email client who berates their employees for lack of professionalism because of it 01:05:43 email client that automatically adds a gif of a minion doing a mic drop 01:06:07 New branch created: pull/318 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/318 01:06:07 03Brannock02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/318 * 0.19-a0-1078-g57808fe: Stronger messaging for Dg attribute boost. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/57808fe10b95 01:06:10 <|amethyst> screwyoumorphism? 01:06:51 corpse tiles are generated from regular tiles, right? 01:07:08 um 01:07:10 hm 01:07:21 i'm pretty sure that android code wouldn't compile 01:07:25 shoot 01:07:51 someday someone might try to make a new android build 01:07:53 <|amethyst> needs a + 01:07:56 also yes, btw 01:08:05 rltiles/dc-corpse.txt is a relevant file 01:08:19 looking at it. I just add the tile name and enum and it's good to go? 01:08:22 |amethyst: would that work, or would it decide that " Increase" was a const char* and then refuse to concat it with the string? 01:08:23 |amethyst, thanks 01:08:33 <|amethyst> the concatenation by juxtaposition thing only works with literal 01:08:38 yeah 01:08:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: string has an operator+(const char *) 01:08:49 oh, huh 01:08:55 maybe i was having issues with cc* + cc* 01:09:01 <|amethyst> yeah 01:09:09 <|amethyst> that's the case that doesn't work 01:09:11 Brannock: sounds right 01:09:13 wrt corpses 01:09:18 hm 01:09:21 is this for a new monster? 01:09:25 dream sheep, yes 01:09:44 <|amethyst> in C++14 you can do "foo"_s + "bar" (the ""_s is a literal for a std::string) 01:10:00 you'll have to add the appropriate tile to the mon-data entry, but that might be obvious these days 01:10:02 <|amethyst> in C++11 and earlier you need to do string(firstthing) + secondthing in that case 01:10:12 ! 01:10:19 I'm learning fast! 01:10:20 dang, i should try that sometme 01:10:24 <|amethyst> (or firsthing + string(secondthing) ) 01:10:29 <|amethyst> s/sth/stth/ 01:10:34 my current project is in c++14 01:10:39 i think 01:11:04 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:11:15 03Brannock02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/318 * 0.19-a0-1079-g4dbfe9e: Fix Android compilation (|amethyst) 10(75 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4dbfe9e2f621 01:11:25 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: you need a 'using namespace' for it 01:11:35 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/string/basic_string/operator%22%22s 01:11:40 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:47 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: also I misremembered; there's no underscore 01:12:02 interesting 01:13:07 using namespace std::literals::string_literals 01:13:10 god bless std 01:13:26 i tried to use some chrono functionality without "using"... briefly 01:13:54 every type name took up most of a line 01:14:10 <|amethyst> std::placeholders::_1 01:14:21 <|amethyst> fortunately bind is on its way out 01:14:53 <|amethyst> well, not literally (it hasn't been deprecated yet), but there's no reason to use it in new code I think 01:15:23 <|amethyst> since writing the same thing with a lambda is usually shorter 01:18:33 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1079-g88a7474 (34) 01:23:25 -!- elan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:23:54 I take it tilepick-p.cc is for players and tilepick.cc is for all other entities. 01:27:05 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:32:04 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33:34 plausible 01:33:44 don't expect too much logic from tiles code 01:35:26 -!- Celsitudo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37:27 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:43:08 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 01:47:37 03gammafunk02 07* 0.19-a0-1080-g405512a: Rename the crawl manual reST file and remove the doku wiki sync step 10(10 minutes ago, 5 files, 3002+ 3011-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/405512aac6d6 01:51:11 PleasingFungus: I better get my awesome prize soon 01:52:29 !!!! 01:52:33 sick 01:52:49 possibly... fully sick? 01:53:17 whoa, starcursed masses have 150 hp. that explains why they're so durable even as I'm popping tiles left and right 01:53:51 popping tiles? 01:54:59 killing segments of the starcursed mass 01:55:07 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1079-g88a7474 01:55:17 @??starcursed mass 01:55:17 starcursed mass (02X) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 131-176 | AC/EV: 10/0 | Dam: 16 | 11non-living, see invisible, regen, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1335 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 01:55:24 yeah I guess that's about right 01:55:33 they're listed at 1500 in mon-data.h 01:56:53 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:56:56 they can also merge, so if you get two separate (initial) starcursed masses they can end up with colossal HP 01:57:03 happens on abyss floors in zigs 01:57:11 terrifying. 01:57:13 i remember complaints about that in modern zigs, yes 01:57:21 I think their merging is instantaneous, so it ends up being weird, yeah 01:57:21 seemed funny to me 01:57:27 tornado may have been involved 01:57:43 @0.16?starcursed mass 01:57:49 starcursed mass (02X) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 134-170 | AC/EV: 10/0 | Dam: 16 | 11non-living, see invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1330 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 01:57:49 %0.16?starcursed mass 01:57:57 hardly changed, heh 01:58:14 that was when they had 12d7 + 12*8 hp 01:58:18 Wait... starcursed masses are actually just one creature, extending across multiple tiles, instead of a swarm of creatures? 01:58:29 uh 01:58:33 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 01:58:42 are we talking flavor or mechanics 01:59:18 kind of both I think. Now I'm thinking back to all my abyss adventures and remembering that masses never separated from each other unless I intentionally chopped a space in between 01:59:37 -!- Zekka_ is now known as Zekka 01:59:46 mechanically, they're separate creatures, but they can merge and split. 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:13 interesting. I'll have to inspect that code 02:00:40 one of the more complex monsters 02:01:01 totally unrelated thought 02:01:06 i feel like we have too many cj spells 02:01:23 and it might be good to take the cj requirements off cloud spells (and raise their level) 02:01:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:02:04 <|amethyst> including Fire Storm? :) 02:02:06 i guess 'too many cj spells' = 'the school is too versatile and strong', maybe 02:02:08 heh 02:02:15 level 10 spell! 02:02:23 but i think you know what i meant 02:02:24 <|amethyst> well, without raising the level in that case 02:02:25 <|amethyst> :P 02:02:28 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:33 That would make dipping into an elemental school for a cloud more attractive for many characters, especially with the other utility spells that the elemental school would bring 02:02:40 vs having to dip into conj *and* elemental 02:02:40 <|amethyst> bonus: more consistent with Shatter and Tornado 02:02:42 fcloud, pcloud, meph, maybe conj flame but probably not 02:02:48 less consistent with glaciate 02:02:54 <|amethyst> I was thinking change that too 02:02:55 which is clearly the correct comparison, since they're Elemental Opposites 02:03:22 oh that reminds me 02:03:56 !learn s lists_of_spells_by_school[2 Charms: infusion, repel missiles, shroud of golubria, swiftness, ozocubu's armour, regeneration, spectral weapon, warp weapon, excruciating wounds, deflect missiles, haste, ring of flames, death's door 02:03:56 lists of spells by school[1/1]: Charms: infusion, repel missiles, shroud of golubria, swiftness, ozocubu's armour, regeneration, spectral weapon, warp weapon, excruciating wounds, deflect missiles, haste, ring of flames, death's door 02:04:00 shit 02:04:07 !learn del lists_of_spells_by_school 02:04:07 Deleted lists of spells by school[1/1]: Charms: infusion, repel missiles, shroud of golubria, swiftness, ozocubu's armour, regeneration, spectral weapon, warp weapon, excruciating wounds, deflect missiles, haste, ring of flames, death's door 02:04:15 !learn s list_of_spells_by_school[2 Charms: infusion, repel missiles, shroud of golubria, swiftness, ozocubu's armour, regeneration, spectral weapon, warp weapon, excruciating wounds, deflect missiles, haste, ring of flames, death's door 02:04:15 list of spells by school[2/14]: Charms: infusion, repel missiles, shroud of golubria, swiftness, ozocubu's armour, regeneration, spectral weapon, warp weapon, excruciating wounds, deflect missiles, haste, ring of flames, death's door 02:04:28 ??list of spells by school[3 02:04:28 list of spells by school[3/14]: Conjuration: {flame tongue},{magic dart},{shock},{sting},{searing ray},{throw flame},{throw frost},{conjure flame},{dazzling spray},{meph},{static discharge},{stone arrow},{battlesphere},{imb},{sticky flame},{icicle},{bolt of magma},{fireball},{force lance},{fulminant prism}, {irradiate} ... 02:04:30 ??list of spells by school[4 02:04:30 list of spells by school[4/14]: Conjuration (cont'd): {lightning bolt},{venom bolt},{yara's violent unravelling},{bolt of cold},{bolt of draining},{bolt of fire},{freezing cloud},{iron shot},{poison arrow},{poisonous cloud},{cbl},{delayed fireball},{iood},{chain lightning},{lcs},{fire storm},{glaciate} 02:05:18 hm, i wonder if someone updated list of spells by level? looks like no 02:05:19 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:05:22 wish we had a script for that 02:05:33 <|amethyst> I wrote a script for that for the wiki 02:05:41 nice 02:05:45 <|amethyst> but that doesn't really work for learndb 02:05:54 <|amethyst> it could be modified I'm sure 02:05:59 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:06:30 interesting thing to me, looking at spells by school, is how few earth spells we have 02:06:40 i feel like it's not as noticeable in-game, for some reason 02:06:44 <|amethyst> http://crawl.chaosforge.org/List_of_spells/parse-spl-data 02:07:47 also, in accordance with the official crawl spell school guidelines, we should buff poison magic. 02:08:02 Since entropy weavers are formicids I'd like to observe formicid corpses, not entropy weavers'. Since there are no orc priest corpses. 02:08:11 good call! 02:08:16 <|amethyst> L8 or 9 Poison Arrow Cloud 02:08:40 Poison Rayne 02:08:41 hm, they're genus formicid but not species? 02:08:59 castable by Blade, the new vampire unique introduced along with 02:09:27 i was just thinking about increasing the numbers on the lower level spells, maybe adding a new l2 spells 02:09:30 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1080-g405512a (34) 02:09:30 *spell 02:09:33 idk what it'd do tho 02:09:38 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: re species I think the idea is that they are a different race or caste 02:09:57 why not just make them formicids. 02:10:21 A gaunt formicid with flaking, pale chitin. 02:10:37 entropy weavers being able to dig would be... interesting 02:10:49 i think that existed briefly 02:10:51 and then was removed 02:10:58 from all monster formicids 02:11:04 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: compare, say, MONS_BLACK_DRACONIAN 02:11:16 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: which has genus MONS_DRACONIAN but species MONS_BLACK_DRACONIAN 02:11:36 true 02:11:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: my rule of thumb is "can you tell that the monster was this variety from the corpse?" 02:11:41 you're a fan of the current corpse situation, then? 02:11:47 what? 02:11:52 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:12:21 <|amethyst> well, if they have pale flaking chitin, presumably the corpse does as well 02:12:29 !source mon-place.cc:2014 02:12:29 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc#L2014 02:12:37 <|amethyst> hm 02:12:45 oops 02:12:47 what if orc priests had, like, marks of dedication to their god on their skin 02:12:47 I meant for 2104 02:12:56 yeah, I think it's a CanOfWorms 02:13:01 but I assume the lower number there is the minimum in the band, the higher the max. What does the 'true' mean? 02:13:01 since drac scorchers etc 02:13:02 this reminds me of a dumb zombie thing 02:13:22 where e.g. some so-called centaur zombies are much tougher than others 02:13:22 <|amethyst> I guess my idea solution would be to rename "entropy weaver" to "adjective formicid" or "formicid jobname" 02:13:32 not a bad idea 02:13:33 what if their job is weaving entropy 02:13:52 just call them formicid corroders and make their role explicit :v 02:13:54 <|amethyst> then I'd have no problem with changing their species 02:14:06 <|amethyst> acetomancer 02:14:07 formicid acid zappers 02:14:18 formicid acid droppers 02:14:24 !!! 02:14:27 form...acid 02:14:48 i like the entropy weaver name, so i guess now i'm against changing the corpse 02:14:49 how times change 02:15:11 you don't like formicid entropy weaver? 02:15:20 ficklefungus 02:15:25 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: "weaver" is a little weird now that they're formicids and not some weird thing that might be vaguely spider-esque 02:15:42 formicid entropulators 02:15:44 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I guess maybe the formicids learned from the orb spiders 02:15:59 hm, what's the current weak elf type? 02:16:01 not fighters 02:16:04 Btw, do we still have entropy weaver skeletons? 02:16:06 not archers, not knights 02:16:14 yermak: no 02:16:19 mages, I guess 02:16:28 hm 02:16:38 ok, good to know 02:16:55 I remember sharks not having skeletons till the moment of their removal. 02:16:58 right, i guess fighters and soldiers are both gone 02:17:00 sad 02:17:08 Oh I guess the 'true' means that the band always shows up 02:17:33 <|amethyst> Yermak: technical accuracy: animate skeleton doesn't work on cartilage 02:17:51 <|amethyst> (it was intentional) 02:18:11 Brannock: point me at a line? I was the one who wrote the code you're probably looking at 02:18:37 !source mon-place.cc:2104 02:18:37 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc#L2104 02:18:45 trying to grok this 02:18:54 wow, thank you, |amethyst 02:19:10 my fault it's a little opaque, sorry 02:19:16 the 'true' is natural_leader 02:19:36 /// Should the band followers try very hard to stick to the leader? 02:19:41 and natural_leader guarantees a band? 02:19:43 ah 02:19:44 no 02:20:01 that's band_conditions 02:20:31 I have a feeling that this dream sheep branch will need a lot of tweaking 02:20:34 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm... is natural_leader ever actually used? 02:20:40 should be? 02:20:51 yes, line 2301 02:20:56 what's the status on those tree graphics 02:21:02 unless you're talking about elsewhere in the code 02:21:06 !seen ontoclasm 02:21:06 I last saw ontoclasm at Fri Aug 5 21:13:55 2016 UTC (9h 7m 11s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving.'. 02:21:14 dang, time flies 02:21:22 Brannock: for example, orcs have { chance_denom = 2, min_depth = 0, custom_condition = nullptr }, aka {2} 02:21:30 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I mean, that 2301 is the only time "natural_leader" appears and it isn't on the LHS of an assignment 02:21:33 which means they have a 50/50 chance to spawn a band, which can happen at any depth 02:21:34 !tell ontoclasm how's those tree graphics doing 02:21:34 CanOfWorms: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 02:21:35 hrm 02:21:42 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:21:44 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so I think it isn't actually being used anymore 02:21:50 might do some plant tiles to go with them too 02:21:50 |amethyst: look at where it's declared 02:22:08 are there any specifics for plants 02:22:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: ohh, bool & 02:22:49 |amethyst: you probably also want to look at mon-place lines 907 and 1125 02:22:58 yeah, that one might actually be more clear as a bool*, but i really hate potential nulls 02:23:00 <|amethyst> yeah, I see now, thanks 02:23:15 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: potential nulls are good for this kind of API IMO 02:23:22 i guess 02:23:25 patches welcome! 02:23:33 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: because then you can make null mean "don't set it" and have a default argument 02:23:43 <|amethyst> avoids "_choose_band(mt, idummy, bdummy)" 02:23:56 yeah, fair 02:24:03 and then do some boilerplate at the start of the function 02:24:43 <|amethyst> yeah, e.g. make it point to a local variable if it was null 02:24:57 int dummy_band_size = 0; if (!band_size) band_size = &dummy_band_size; 02:24:59 etc 02:28:25 New branch created: better_zombies (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/better_zombies 02:28:25 03PleasingFungus02 07[better_zombies] * 0.19-a0-1080-g515531b: Name zombies by their actual base type 10(66 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/515531b50e37 02:28:50 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:31:22 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:30 ontoclasm!!! 02:32:37 hi 02:32:37 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 02:32:42 !messages 02:32:42 (1/1) CanOfWorms said (11m 8s ago): how's those tree graphics doing 02:33:24 related, I may make some new plant tiles 02:33:40 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:33:48 neat 02:35:26 but yeah what are the haps with the trees, I haven't seen anything on that front 02:36:02 i haven't really done anything crawl related in a while xD 02:36:09 lol 02:36:18 sounds like a pretty quddy work ethic to me 02:36:31 well, it's true 02:36:51 i'll take a look soon 02:36:53 so it's just the grind of having to insert ~50-70 tree graphics and adding all the references? 02:37:00 !learn del magical_trap 02:37:00 Deleted magical trap[1/1]: A trap which does nasty non-damage things. Cannot be disarmed. You cannot bypass them by flying over them; they will still go off. Sorry. Comes in {zot trap} (purple), {teleportation trap} (lightblue), and {alarm trap} (yellow) varieties. 02:37:02 well, and 02:37:11 i was concerned how they'd look next to each other 02:37:18 since many of them are wildly different 02:37:19 ah 02:37:38 it'll be sort of odd to have a line of trees and it be like 02:37:41 yeah the rainbow one probably shouldn't be added, lol 02:37:54 one palm tree and one banyan tree and one pine tree and etc. 02:38:07 it's the power of zot... 02:38:10 or possibly F 02:38:11 save the rainbow tree for a vault 02:38:15 xom, maybe 02:38:30 the rainbow tree does not look impressive enough to warrant a xom/vault thing for it, sadly 02:38:37 someone link me to the trees 02:38:38 not that this is an insurmountable problem or anything, i'd just want to... solve it 02:38:46 I'm not sure how noticeable the rainbow effect is 02:38:50 I see 02:39:21 pf: http://errorfunction.tumblr.com/image/82262445328 02:39:41 the rainbow one is the one between the fan shaped palm tree and the white tree in the 6th row 02:39:55 ahh 02:40:06 i like the carrot 02:40:20 is that supposed to be a carrot? second to last row, last col 02:40:23 ah yes, the medusa thingamabob 02:40:26 I forget the name 02:40:27 lol 02:40:36 but it's named after medusa 02:40:51 http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/medusa-tree-debbi-granruth.jpg sprite this, imo 02:40:52 oh, it's literally medusa's head 02:41:35 http://hbc.bas-net.by/bcb/images/expon/18740_gib.jpg 02:41:38 that's the reference I used for it 02:41:44 nice 02:41:54 looks a bit smaller than a tree 02:42:02 %git 2733cf4 02:42:02 07wheals02 * 0.18-a0-72-g2733cf4: Fix issues related to display of attack speed. 10(9 months ago, 14 files, 89+ 149-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2733cf4fda70 02:42:08 when you get to 90 trees you stretch the definition of trees to get the last 10 :v 02:42:16 I mean, one of the trees is literally a cactuc 02:42:19 *cactus 02:42:36 what prize do you get for the full hundred trees 02:42:36 <|amethyst> it's a big freaking pot, and some tilt-shift 02:43:05 I get the prize of satisfaction 02:43:13 OCD satisfaction 02:43:18 halfway through coding dream sheep I realize there's might be a saner way of figuring out what entries I need to add than by checking old commits for adding monsters and editing the files I see edited in these. is there? 02:43:53 no that's basically how you do it 02:44:23 way fewer files than there used to be 02:44:27 or at least one fewer 02:44:28 if I'm still around in a few months (and better at implementation) I might write a todo file for adding new monsters 02:44:32 yeah mon-stuff.cc is gone I think 02:44:37 unless it got moved somewhere 02:44:48 been gone for two or three years 02:45:19 split up into other files 02:45:25 the last awful file we have is misc.cc 02:45:48 wow, strong claim 02:45:52 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:46:02 suddenly I am struck by the sheer appropriateness of attempting to implement dream sheep while yawning nonstop 02:46:03 did stuff.cc go away 02:46:09 gonna wrap up coding for tonight 02:46:13 long time ago 02:46:29