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ZZZzzz…] 00:53:52 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:53:58 geekosaur: all sorted, thanks 00:54:02 unscheduled upgrade to 16.04 00:56:28 -!- ig0rb1t has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:08:12 -!- Laraso_ has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 01:13:37 -!- DDFi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:18:37 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:19:40 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1051-gdb7e7f8 (34) 01:21:41 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:28:16 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:33:15 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:33:41 -!- dolemite99 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:34:58 We have fancy warning when stepping into Zot trap which requires to type 'yes', but simple y/n question when leaving special Pan floor without a rune, why so? 01:35:59 -!- Suga_H has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:23 IMO the zot trap is the inconsistent UI there, it's not dangerous enough to justify quit-level confirmation 01:42:29 I happened to have the desire to step into zot trap, but never to leave pan floor without a rune (also once I left without a rune). It would be great to swap these confirmations 01:43:13 -!- Chase has quit [] 01:43:36 Just in case: that no-rune leave was unintended 01:44:30 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4cf379dba7edab1208e6d863c2134fc663e2e41a did this get reverted then? 01:49:27 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:55:12 -!- VoxSomniator_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:56:01 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1051-gdb7e7f8 01:56:14 -!- homsar has quit [] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:57 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:14:44 -!- Finwe has quit [Quit: Sever going down for reboot.] 02:15:00 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:16:15 -!- Zxpr2jk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:17:59 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:20:58 -!- sgun__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:26:37 -!- staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:30:45 -!- staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:33:45 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:34:09 apparently 02:34:56 %git 4538934805849d645671608b592d22a4730d96c8 02:34:56 07chequers02 {|amethyst} * 0.17-a0-1932-g4538934: Describe a branch's rune on player entry. 10(11 months ago, 6 files, 58+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/453893480584 02:36:17 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:36:41 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:44 actually, that just changed the text 02:36:47 it's still yes_or_no 02:37:03 maybe yes_or_no is broken, or Yermak made a mistake 02:43:45 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 02:46:12 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Quit: Evablue_] 02:52:20 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:53:37 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1051-gdb7e7f8 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:55 -!- 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two sets of people arguing about whether it's even worth learning or not 14:49:07 i have personally never bothered, so i don't feel a need to contribute to the argument 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:49 -!- Kaishin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:18 leedleedleedl 15:08:33 I have a hard time believing there are 50 people here and not one person is posting 15:12:03 welcome to 2016 IRC 15:13:02 -!- tyri0n has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:21:25 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:22:49 yeah sounds about right 15:24:05 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:31:15 -!- Bammboo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:38:07 -!- home has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:41 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:43:49 this is not, generally speaking, a busy time of day around here 15:44:29 when is? 15:45:41 -!- Kurshu has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 15:49:07 if you want general chat, I suggest ##crawl 15:49:13 this is the development channel 15:55:02 that is what I wanted 15:55:09 er 15:55:10 dev 15:55:14 is what I wanted 15:55:32 but I'm not gonna bother asking questions for them just to get ignored 15:55:55 -!- DashNine has quit [Quit: Process terminated] 16:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:06 -!- Rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:06 -!- Rast has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 16:06:58 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 16:12:02 there is at least a chance that your question gets answered if you ask them 16:12:22 if you don't ask them, the probability is quite near 0% to get them answered 16:13:35 I figure I'll just wait until it gets busy 16:13:39 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:16:28 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:52 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:04 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20:47 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Is it better to talk about it on GDD or here? 16:32:35 most proposals do not get into the game. you can talk about it wherever, and if devs think it's reasonable, it may make it in. if the proposal requires work for the devs, it's less likely to happen. 16:32:43 -!- MIC132 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:32:48 do you have a proposal in mind? 16:33:28 yes 16:33:39 well, a whole bunch you've probably seen my dribble on GDD several times 16:33:44 but just one right now 16:33:52 hit me 16:33:59 Gozag should let the player pay money to get extra options for his abilities 16:34:06 like what? 16:34:44 don't like the four shops offered? pay 100 extra and you get to add onto the list four additional shops, all distinct from each other and the original shops 16:34:50 same with potion petition 16:35:04 I think it fits his theme pretty nicely 16:35:07 he'd be kinda sleazy 16:35:10 how is that distinct from paying for a shop, and then paying for another shop? 16:35:24 because players don't have infinite gold 16:35:48 in the case of potion petition it takes less time, because that ability is almost always activated in combat and/or in emergencies 16:35:50 oh, sure, that's why it'd be much better for players if it was $100. but that's ridiculously cheap and would be stupid not to take all th etime. 16:36:33 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:36:39 i mean, you can play with the numbers and do something like this. does it make the abilities more interesting? 16:36:47 well currently you randomly get screwed over if you don't get a shop you want 16:36:50 it seems like it weakens the impact of the choice if you can pay to get a better choice. 16:37:08 the choice should be between two good options, not between four crappy ones 16:37:20 ok. it sounds like that's your actual proposal. 16:37:29 I play Op a lot, so you can probably understand my view point a little better. 16:37:34 heh 16:38:01 i mean, that's a problem for op elsewhere, too. a big chunk of the dungeon's loot is useless for them. why should gozag be different in that way? 16:38:06 gozag is already a fantastic op god. 16:38:12 since one jewellery shop means you're set. 16:38:16 he's not if he doesn't gen jewellery shops 16:38:23 does he really need buffs to make that even easier? 16:38:26 generally you need more than one, but often times I fail to get even one 16:38:40 I mean, you're not really buffing the Op that already get the shop 16:38:45 you're helping the ones that get screwed over 16:40:09 that's a buff to op^g, yes. 16:40:16 i mean, the argument here is that it's not fun to gamble and lose, right? 16:40:24 yes 16:40:39 I mean, it's a god 16:40:44 ok. i don't think we're going to remove gambling from crawl, though. 16:40:47 it's supposed to be reliable 16:40:50 since when? 16:40:57 well what is a god supposed to do 16:41:16 improve your odds of winning the game, or be Xom, respectively. 16:41:21 you don't have to gamble with okawaru's abilities. If you do, they just don't activate and you can try again next turn 16:41:34 gozag gives a pretty harsh penalty for failing the gamble 16:42:03 to my knowledge, the most fundamental, primary design perspective in this game is meaningful choice 16:42:05 right? 16:42:21 the choice with gozag should be whether or not to buy something at a shop or generate another one 16:42:29 Not generate a shop and hope that it's not useless. 16:43:09 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43:55 have you ever played makhelb? 16:43:58 *makhleb 16:44:05 or nemelex? 16:44:34 nemelex is specifically designed to be a gamble god. He's based around evocables that are gambles. 16:44:38 as for makhleb 16:44:56 I usually don't invoke his abilities without another method of escape 16:44:56 or lugonu, really 16:44:57 haha 16:45:01 never tried lugonu actually 16:45:04 dang 16:45:22 roll an ak sometime, they're ok 16:45:26 anyway 16:45:32 so i've heard 16:46:09 -!- contrafett_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:46:32 if lichform is such a trap, how come it hasn't been removed then 16:46:41 Lightli: that's an awful argument. 16:47:09 I was speaking to ontoclasm since he despised it 16:47:22 In any case, I just find it beyond frustrating when I worship a god to get guaranteed shops and then don't get ones that are useful 16:47:42 ok. 16:47:49 it makes me not want to play Gozag just because he's so unreliable 16:47:49 fwiw, i think dpeg agreed with you on this one. 16:48:06 i think it's ok if gozag is not equally reliable for all races, personally 16:48:10 i.e. his argument was that lichform was a giant xp trap with terrible interface problems for which the main draws were immunity to hunger (an irrelevant mechanic) and torment (a good mechanic) 16:48:15 especially since i feel like the upside is so much larger for op 16:49:00 if we nerfed gozag's jewellery shops for op, then i'd be fine with making them more guaranteed. but that seems like a lot of added, hidden complexity for little benefit 16:49:52 Gozag isn't even the best Op god, though, much less the best god in general, even if he generates nothing but shops that you want. 16:50:34 he takes a little while to get going (as opposed to say, Okawaru, who does not) in the hardest parts of the game 16:50:48 so it's not like balance is an issue here 16:50:57 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:51:14 plausible, but i would want a second opinion on that. 16:52:26 I think torment is cool, but I dislike that there is absolutely no way to avoid it being spammed against you endlessly other than getting out of LoS. I like EEs and all but not every character can LRD all of their problems away. 16:52:40 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 16:52:48 he left 16:52:59 guess I'll get going too. See y'all in 20 or 30 16:53:03 -!- Kaishin_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:59:28 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:00:09 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:36 hahaha 17:03:46 you can get a wn start with needles but no blowgun? 17:04:58 that feels like a bug 17:05:58 i know that your skills aren't necessarily related to your starting gear, even though they usually are 17:06:07 but it seems weird to start with something that you can't even use 17:08:57 -!- cait has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:06 -!- ZiBuDo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:30 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as Prozacelf 17:19:07 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:53 -!- homsar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:30:33 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:30:49 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:33:49 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:51:14 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:54:43 -!- ksagri has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:59 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1051-gdb7e7f8 (34) 18:06:01 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:35 -!- Jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:12:28 -!- Wye has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:17:34 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:19:16 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:34:15 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:34:57 -!- Kaishin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:03 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 18:35:43 amalloy how do you do that? 18:41:26 -!- ig0rb1t has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:41:39 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:42 -!- DrKe has quit [] 18:44:55 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:46:16 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:49:30 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:50:37 -!- Prozacelf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:52:34 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:56:27 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 18:57:01 -!- Prozacelf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:26 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1052-gefe75ed: Remove a reference to unholiness (comment) 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/efe75ede128e 18:57:26 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1053-g8e4a7f3: Track seen spells for individual mons 10(2 days ago, 4 files, 28+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8e4a7f34bae0 18:57:26 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1054-ga2764fc: Display seen spells for panlords 10(2 days ago, 3 files, 24+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a2764fc86875 18:57:26 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1055-g06893fd: Filter out conflicting books from xv 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 41+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/06893fddef04 18:57:46 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:05 why is it that any monster worshipping an undefined god is considered "evil" 19:00:09 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:17 Prozacelf: yeah, that's a bug. what race were you? 19:00:18 for the purposes of the good gods 19:00:46 human 19:00:55 PleasingFungus 19:01:04 hrm 19:01:09 mantis it? 19:01:21 i mean, it's long dead now 19:01:33 but i can give a description 19:01:38 !log Prozacelf wn 19:01:39 83. ProzacElf, XL2 HuWn, T:485: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/ProzacElf/morgue-ProzacElf-20160801-210623.txt 19:01:56 sure, mantis it 19:02:01 yep, that's it 19:02:06 link the morgue? 19:02:22 PleasingFungus: if recolouring isn't possible, could the desc have a note added to it if any spellbooks have been eliminated? not sure what a good wording for that would be but it seems like it should be indicated somehow 19:02:49 sure, sounds reasonable 19:02:55 i have no particular thoughts on wording 19:03:12 i.e. 19:03:16 @??deep troll shaman 19:03:16 deep troll shaman (00T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 39-58 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 27, 2009(claw), 2009(claw) | 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40), 08blind | Vul: 08holy | XP: 877 | Sp: haste other [11!AM], might other [11!AM], minor healing (2d6+3) [11!AM, 04emergency] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 19:03:24 why are those considered evil 19:03:28 "minor"? 19:03:35 i'd call it minor 19:03:51 for all we know they worship a relatively peaceful deity 19:03:52 clearly the shamans are a-holes 19:03:52 probably because they're priests of an evil god 19:04:02 why is the god considered evil 19:04:03 pretending to be magic casters yet being as strong as fighters 19:04:11 GOD_NAMELESS is evil 19:04:17 lol 19:04:19 because it offers demon summoning and similar services 19:04:22 very rude! 19:04:36 huh 19:04:41 I don't remember those things summoning demons 19:04:44 fr: let players worship GOD_NAMELESS 19:04:55 can beogh summon demons? 19:05:01 @??deep elf high priest 19:05:01 deep elf high priest (09e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 38-58 | AC/EV: 5/12 | Dam: 14 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | XP: 1042 | Sp: a.brilliance [11!AM], call down damnation (3d15) [11!AM], malign offering (2d17) [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], twisted resurrection [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 19:05:03 why do high priests have that ability? 19:05:05 ??mummy priest 19:05:05 mummy priest[1/1]: Like a curse skull on legs. And it smites. And it curses you with necro miscasts when it dies. And it melees. 19:05:06 er 19:05:08 @??mummy priest 19:05:09 mummy priest (05M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 10 | HP: 52-77 | AC/EV: 8/7 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(120), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1091 | Sp: sum.demon [11!AM], sum.undead [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], s.torment [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 19:05:09 orc high priests 19:05:18 because they're jerks 19:05:42 what is the point of having rot+++ on an enemy 19:06:19 it's an automatic effect of being undead 19:06:27 oh, I guess that makes sense 19:06:30 they are unaffected by miasma 19:06:34 can the player actually do rot damage? 19:06:35 oh, miasma 19:06:37 PleasingFungus: tell me if you need me to add something to that report 19:07:21 i think it's pretty self explanatory and i try to.......not try to tell the devs what to do in a bug report 19:07:45 Wn can start with needles but no blowgun 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10590 by prozacelf 19:07:45 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:12 i save that for bitching at gammafunk frankly =p 19:08:59 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1055-g06893fd (34) 19:09:26 .ban Prozacelf 19:09:50 why don't my twitch commands work?! 19:10:23 03MarvinPA02 {GitHub} 07* 0.19-a0-1056-g37ecd96: Fix descriptions of artefact rings of fire/ice (#10588) 10(4 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/37ecd969ade5 19:11:02 oh, thanks for that fix 19:11:14 was getting me confused in my last game 19:11:21 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:13:26 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:15:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:19:45 -!- olscumpy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 19:20:42 -!- Zymurgist has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:26:00 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 19:34:35 -!- olscumpy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 19:38:29 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 19:42:04 -!- olscumpy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 19:50:56 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 19:51:03 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 19:51:52 -!- Luterac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:52:47 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:53:31 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:53:33 -!- Prozacelf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:54:04 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:41 ksagri (L15 GrCK) ASSERT(m) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2199 failed. 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