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(www.adiirc.com)] 00:48:25 -!- FiftyNine has quit [] 00:49:35 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:56 or, alternatively, the premiere of "2 LAVA, @ LANTULA" 00:54:05 *2 LANTULA 00:57:09 we removed sharks 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:10 rip 01:04:10 -!- Suga_H has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:16 so apparently the tavern hivemind actually believes that hooves/talons/horns are detrimental but claws are beneficial 01:09:16 -!- ZiBuDo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:09:29 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1042-g77c37a1 (34) 01:09:57 so today 01:10:02 we had.. a small get together 01:10:13 and someone we didnt know was there 01:10:32 zibudo in a very eager fashion showed them jgr and pointed out all of the memes 01:10:46 cjr*** 01:17:17 -!- ig0rb1t has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:17:44 minmay: why wouldn't tavern believe that? tavern believes a lot of things that are obviously wrong 01:19:29 like there's nothing wrong with hooves 1/2 or talons 1/2 at all 01:19:33 literally 0 drawback 01:19:47 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1042-g77c37a1 (34) 01:20:04 why is tavern so bad at this game 01:21:29 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:21:32 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 01:25:50 hooves did nothing wrong 01:28:36 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:51 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:30:18 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:32:26 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:34:19 Beware the Stealth Cost 01:34:42 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:21 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:31 -!- jefus- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:45:32 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:45:42 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:46:03 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:13 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:48:02 -!- moogleknight has quit [Client Quit] 01:55:56 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1042-g77c37a1 01:56:40 minmay: it's because it's hard to gauge how much extra damage the bodyslot mutations add. 01:58:47 grammu: you and zibudo need to go to meme therapy 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:21 but it's easy to see the cost of "low AC" 02:00:33 and feels bad to not be able to use certain loot 02:01:59 gloves have the same AC as boots, so that consideration seems useless 02:02:06 what are talons/hooves/horns at level one roughly equivalent to slaying-wise? 02:02:44 also I did an fsim with tengu vs human using a demon whip 02:02:54 and there was an accuracy difference of about 10% that confused me 02:03:21 Attacking: 13.6 | 54 | 72% | 9.8 | 50 | 2.00 | 19.7 02:03:27 Attacking: 16.7 | 56 | 60% | 10.1 | 50 | 2.00 | 20.2 02:03:40 first is human, second is tengu 02:04:06 only changes are the human has +2 boots + helm 02:05:43 this is 15 fighting/dodging/armour/shields (and using a medium shield) in plate with 19 str 02:12:16 -!- valrus_twice has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:22:33 -!- mad0wl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:23:28 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:30:14 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:34:11 amalloy: but monstrous loses head/hands/feet bodyslots instead of just hands 02:34:30 so to a player who can't quite tell how much the mutations are helping, it feels a lot worse 02:34:46 who said anything about monstrous 02:35:17 oh, that's what minmay was talking about 02:35:26 the tavern thread was about monstrous ds 02:35:55 no, minmay said that tavern thinks claws are good and that the other three body slots are bad 02:36:23 right but that's what prompted that as far as I knew 02:36:32 unless I misinterpreted! 02:40:01 the thread talks about monstrous, but specifically has players asserting that claws is the only good body slot, which is what minmay was saying is an incorrect assessment 02:41:03 (indeed a totally backwards one, since minmay thinks claws are the worst) 02:41:12 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:34 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:41:38 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:42:05 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:42:40 oh fair enough. I didn't read super closely 02:43:23 fwiw I would like scales on monstrous because I would enjoy a 10% chance for really awesome demonspawn, but that's selfish/probably shortsighted lol 02:47:09 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:50:06 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:52:24 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1042-g77c37a1 02:53:13 amalloy: I assume minmay thinks claws are the worst because they only work if you're using UC 02:53:20 yes 02:53:27 and minmay has a poor viewpoint on UC to begin with 02:54:24 well, i think it's more like, whether you like UC or not, most Ds will have invested in some other attack skill by the itme you find out claws is an option 02:55:11 it's the only body slot that requires you to do an expensive skill switch to make use of (and so usually you don't make use of it at all) 02:57:04 but i can't speak for him, really. that's why *i* think claws is usually bad 02:58:25 -!- adibis has quit [Ping 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aren't? like sure, i might want to fireball myself to hit many nearby monsters, but i don't think it's ever good to cast Slow or Ensorcelled Hibernation on myself. EH isn't allowed, but Slow is 14:54:42 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:18 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 14:56:39 -!- home has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:57:05 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 14:57:44 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 14:58:02 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:22 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 14:58:37 Does slow increase slouch damage? :P 14:58:54 (Good tech) 14:58:58 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 14:59:30 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:08 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:00:10 no, it is a truly awful tech (or would be, if it worked, but it doesn't) 15:00:45 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:01:05 Unleash the true power of chei of naga 15:01:09 I mean naga of chei 15:01:20 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:01:57 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:02:32 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:03:07 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:48 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:20 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:04:56 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:05:34 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:09 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:21 or chei of naga 15:08:35 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:11 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:11:29 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:11:34 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:12:12 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:12:47 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:14:05 <|amethyst> !source _slouch_damage 15:14:05 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc#L3650 15:14:34 "cheinous" 15:14:35 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:15:11 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:15:11 <|amethyst> piety isn't affected by player slow, but slouch damage is 15:15:36 <|amethyst> !source cheibriados_monster_player_speed_delta 15:15:37 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc#L808 15:15:47 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:16:22 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:16:59 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:17:35 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:18:14 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:18:46 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:19:24 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:19:37 Is the AI smart enough for some creatures to step out of a cloud if they can still attack you from the new position? 15:20:00 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:20:36 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:21:13 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:48 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:22:24 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:59 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:36 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:54 monsters don't try to get out of clouds 15:24:14 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:24:14 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:40 -!- packet_loss has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:49 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:25:03 -!- Nyvrem has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:25:15 amalloy, design choice I assume? 15:25:24 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:25:30 *shrug* i'd guess so. just like centaurs don't try to kite the player 15:26:02 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:26:24 I mean I would think an intelligent creature would try to walk out, I can imagine that a spider or whatever wouldn't 15:26:32 but that would be a huge nerf to clouds 15:26:43 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:27:14 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:27:52 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:26 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:02 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:29:38 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:30:02 |amethyst: are you sure? when i look at the stuff printed by slouch in a debug build, it says my speed is 20 whether or not i'm slowed 15:30:13 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:51 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:25 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:44 iirc being slowed does not affect slouch at all 15:32:00 but i could be wrong 15:32:04 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:41 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:32:58 well, i thought that too, but it turns out |amethyst is right 15:33:14 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:41 (still a terrible tech) 15:33:50 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:28 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:03 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:45 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:41:18 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:42:17 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:43:00 <|amethyst> amalloy: it gives you 20 because that message is printing just the movement speed, and not taking player_speed() into account at all 15:43:18 yeah, i added another dprf on the value that actually matters 15:43:22 huh, how bizarre 15:43:56 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:44:35 <|amethyst> I would change slouch[5] but I have a feeling someone is going to change the code instead :) 15:49:51 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:50:10 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 15:51:42 //slouch[5 15:51:46 ??slouch[5 15:51:47 slouch[5/6]: No, you can't slow yourself to make Slouch stronger. And if you could, you wouldn't want to anyway. If you think you do want to, you are wrong. Slowing your actions is super-bad. Just Slouch twice, if you want to do twice as much damage. 16:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:07 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:54 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:26:54 -!- ZiBuDo has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:51 Blinking onto a shaft does auto-shaft 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10586 by Le_Nerd 16:31:28 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:38:59 -!- Laraso_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:41:23 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:46:30 -!- Rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:47:06 I saw on the new features for 0.19 list that switching Sif to a library system is in the works. 16:47:15 Has any code been written for that? 16:47:43 -!- Shard1697_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:16 %git sifcast 16:48:16 07MarvinPA02 {GitHub} * 0.19-a0-876-g39f9f74: Fix tiles compilation 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/39f9f7471925 16:48:23 I think that's the branch 16:48:25 that's a truly ancient todo, i don't think there has been any recent discussion of it let alone code 16:48:34 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:49:04 but it hasn't had much recent activity that I recall 16:49:08 -!- AcceptableLosses has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:49:17 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:43 sifcast was just for the recent channeling changes, i don't think there's anything else planned currently (other than maybe followup adjustments to the channeling stuff) 16:49:45 I want it so badly 16:50:00 Are people still open to the library system 16:50:07 thought he was playing with the library stuff a bit also 16:51:55 I mean why don't all picked up books go into a library system? realism? 16:53:58 realism is not one of crawl's main guiding design principles 16:55:18 library system wouldn't have worked well with the ancient-and-only-just-removed spell forgetting by destroying a book 16:55:43 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:55:46 ah 16:56:18 so the library system could just be for everyone no? 16:56:28 and then sif could still drop books normally 16:56:28 "ancient" is relevant there, there's a lot of mechanics that are old and never really been looked at 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11:55 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:14:22 -!- eliotn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:14:30 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 17:25:12 "food" 17:25:14 =p 17:28:01 !send ProzacElf portable altars 17:28:01 Sending portable altars to ProzacElf. 17:28:13 heh 17:28:32 we pretty much have those though 17:28:37 finally 17:32:50 -!- Wye has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:33:34 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:41:56 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:50 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:53 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:51:18 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:52:28 PleasingFungus: ##crawl is reporting that monsters that are meant to spawn with weapons sometimes/often? aren't doing (i think someone is mantising it currently with more details) 17:53:18 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:53:50 i'm sure i broke something 17:54:01 details would be useful, yes 17:55:04 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:57:23 so every scale mutation that boosts AC boosts it by exactly 2 at level 1? 17:57:40 i don't think so 17:58:04 oh wait rugged brown is still 1 17:58:32 (I would have put rough black to 3 at level 1 since it does have a drawback in lower DEX) 17:58:42 weapons are overrated 17:58:48 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:58:52 dex -1... 17:58:53 oh no... 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:43 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:02:32 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1047-g4b671ad (34) 18:03:32 -!- gressup has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:07 PleasingFungus: It might lower your EV by one point!!! 18:05:16 beware the acc cost 18:05:41 you could miss a hellion because of it and die to hellfire! 18:06:49 why did you have to introduce this weapon bug while i am in Spider 18:07:03 lmao 18:08:12 Geared monsters are spawning without weapons. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10587 by Brannock 18:08:20 sweet, a mantis 18:08:32 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:08:59 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:11:05 hm 18:11:08 can't repro this 18:11:25 all my vault guards have weapons 18:12:20 update: got it 18:13:52 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:22:46 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:23:07 -!- sky_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:30:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:31:53 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:31:57 -!- stanzwas has quit [Quit: au rev] 18:34:56 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1048-g709fac1: Fix monster weapons gen (10587) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 59+ 36-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/709fac1c6987 18:35:19 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:38:31 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1048-g709fac1 (34) 18:45:19 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:48:47 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1048-g709fac1 (34) 18:56:48 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:57:25 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:00 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:34 -!- gressup has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:05:10 -!- Dracunos72 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:06:13 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:07:56 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:49 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1048-g709fac1 (34) 19:09:42 PleasingFungus, is there a better name for the class of vault guards (that contains Vault Guards, the specific enemy)? 19:09:54 not afaik! 19:10:00 I realized my report may have been confusing. I was seeing vault wardens and etc missing weapons 19:10:03 and classed them as "vault guards" 19:10:07 yeah that did throw me off 19:10:20 sentinels, wardens, protectors, convokers, and guards 19:10:27 Vault Squad Assemble 19:12:30 @...rr 19:12:43 if i cast fireball in this situation the autotargeting will pick the square that only hits 1 rat 19:13:25 can there please, please be an rc option to use missile autotargeting for all spells 19:13:37 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:18:15 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 19:18:25 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:28:27 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 19:30:35 Is there any point in raising invocations beyond the spell failure threshold with new nem? 19:40:45 nikheizen: Isn't the card power still based on invocations 19:41:02 i had no idea! I thought it was based on evocations 19:42:12 nikheizen: no, now that decks are nemelex-only, they don't use evocations 19:42:34 gammafunk: ah okay. thanks. 19:43:16 yeah, nemelex no longer is entwined with evocations 19:44:31 pakellas is the only god left who's evo based 19:44:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 19:45:56 invocations influences both the power of the card and the card level of the card, since the card level is influenced by the power 19:46:13 ??deck 19:46:14 deck[1/4]: A deck of intensely magical cards, in general significantly more powerful than scrolls, spells, or potions. Each deck contains 4-13 cards *independently* (no point counting) chosen according to 99% the deck's flavour, 1% the Deck of Oddities. See {deck of }, {card power}, { card}. 19:46:20 ??card_power 19:46:20 card power[1/2]: The card power value for non-Nemelexites is (evocations * 9) for plain decks, +150 for ornate decks, +300 for legendary decks. Nemelexites get a bonus of (piety * (evo + 25)) / 27; if the player has Nemelex penance, they instead lose the penance value (to a lower limit of 0). 19:46:44 that's the formula, but it's based on invo instead of evo 19:47:02 ??card_power[2 19:47:02 card power[2/2]: Ornate decks have a (card power) in 700 chance of being card power level 1; on top of this, legendary decks have an additional (card power) in 500 chance of being promoted an extra card power level. Zapping effects (most effects from the deck of destruction) use (card power / 6) for spell power. 19:47:27 hrm 19:48:05 does deck of oddities still exist? 19:48:29 no 19:50:03 the deck/card stuff in the learndb desperately needs to be rewritten 19:51:06 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:55:27 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:58:31 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:58 yeah 20:02:17 I think learndb didn't get updated to account for newnewnewnewnewnewnewnemelex 20:04:39 -!- magistern has quit [Client Quit] 20:05:25 just rename the god to newelex 20:05:26 saves times 20:06:13 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:07:55 hardly woeth mentioning a new nemelex, it's like the most changed god in the pantheon 20:09:37 'huh, no nemelex rework this release?' 20:09:48 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:11:32 -!- Patashu__ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:22 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:21:13 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:39 PleasingFungus: too close to newely 20:25:00 has ely been reformed repeatedly? 20:28:28 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:28:30 not as frequently 20:29:32 food reform 20:38:33 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:46:36 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:53 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:51 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:19:14 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:13 so who's working on DCSS-go? 21:21:17 nah, we'd prefer rust as a language to rewrite in ;) 21:24:24 who would the starters be 21:29:40 sigmund, jessica, grinder 21:30:01 alternate answer: quokka, adder, hobgoblin 21:33:31 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:51 -!- dolemite99 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:51:16 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:51:50 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:52:35 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:52:40 ??enslavement 21:52:41 enslavement[1/3]: A wand that temporarily turns an enemy into an ally. Useful on orc warriors and the like with low magic resistance. Can be very useful to enslave something, tell it to 'wait here' and get xp while it kills things off screen. Was also a spell (L4 Hexes) in 0.16 and earlier. 21:52:56 btw devs you did the right thing by removing the enslavement spell 21:53:04 you probably already knew that 21:56:34 -!- zeia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:58:12 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:40 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:59:15 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:44 Rast: In what way 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:20 its optimal but degenerate 22:03:30 limited uses from a wand are fine 22:03:48 those words don't really mean anything any more man 22:03:58 spell version is dumb. I'm playing .16 now and notice that 22:04:08 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:04:23 I am playing a DE^FE basically, but the fact is its better than the fire spells I'm blasting away with 22:04:42 with just 6.0 in hexes 22:04:57 !learn add amalloy_todo add description to asterion's servant of maklheb spell 22:04:58 amalloy todo[13/13]: add description to asterion's servant of maklheb spell 22:06:47 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:44 Shard1697_, "The brand was more important to me than the difference between the damage of a broad axe vs. a war axe." 22:15:14 and then he has 3 different brands of +9 war axe 22:15:52 apparently holy, slashing, and flame were all more important than more base damage 22:16:13 ??axes 22:16:14 axes[1/1]: (acc,dam,delay,mindelay) [hands]: hand axe (+3/7/1.3/0.6), war axe (+0/11/1.5/0.7), broad axe (-2/13/1.6/0.7), battleaxe (-4/15/1.7/0.7) [2], executioner's axe (-6/18/2.0/0.7) [2]. All axes {cleave} and chop hydra heads. 22:16:36 11 base damage vs 18... with 27.0 in axes skill... 22:17:34 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:20:14 -!- Shard1697_ is now known as Shard1697 22:21:53 breaking: unspoiled crawl player doesn't understand combat math 22:22:48 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:23:24 ??which weapon 22:23:24 fsim[1/1]: A fight simulator in wizmode, accessible with &f and &F. See {!source fight_simulator.txt} for the fsim help. 22:26:20 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:49 -!- pp_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:36:06 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:42:02 -!- gressup_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:27 !learn add amalloy_todo Esc should *cancel* Reproduction, not confirm it 22:42:27 amalloy todo[14/14]: Esc should *cancel* Reproduction, not confirm it 22:42:32 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:43:11 oh, i wonder if i broke that 22:46:46 what did you break now? 22:47:11 what didn't i break? 22:47:29 haha 22:49:47 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:51:53 Honestly I think a war axe of holy wrath would against the right enemies outdamage a broad axe of non-holy wrath/non-speed 22:52:46 PleasingFungus: it's fine, reproduction turned out to be an okay plan anyway 22:53:06 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 22:53:10 i didn't notice a ton of difference between a +8 holy war axe and a +3 freezing broad axe 22:53:30 but a lot of things that are vulnerable to holy also have rc 22:53:59 so if it were a flaming broad axe or it were the same enchantment the broad axe probably winds up being better anyway 22:54:46 %git 02428aae6f9ad5 22:54:47 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-715-g02428aa: Remove a pointless use of yesnoquit 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 4+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/02428aae6f9a 22:54:51 ^ this is the reproduction change 22:55:42 not so pointless after all! 22:56:59 might have also broken before that. i'm curious 22:57:04 i'll check 22:57:35 ah, no, esc would have cancelled then 22:58:03 simplest fix is just reverting that 22:58:04 yeah 22:58:09 will do 22:59:07 03amalloy02 07* 0.19-a0-1049-g462a813: Revert "Remove a pointless use of yesnoquit" 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/462a81385e76 22:59:47 PleasingFungus: wouldn't changing 'y' to 'n' be reasonable? 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:07 what happens when you hit enter right now? 23:00:26 before the revert? 23:00:32 wow. the book of necromancy is less than half the price of spatial translocations in this shop 23:00:32 either way 23:00:37 i think enter triggers reproduction 23:00:39 which is correct 23:00:46 but i think it wouldn't if the default was 'n'? 23:01:07 it does 23:01:31 yeah, changing to 'n' breaks enter 23:02:21 what about one of those functions that forces either Y or N? too intrusive? 23:03:29 seems like an even worse ui experience 23:08:49 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1049-g462a813 (34) 23:16:04 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:18:49 -!- dolemite99 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:29:06 -!- Wye has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:31:13 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:06 nice, I found donald in slime 23:33:18 he spawns there 23:33:22 i was gonna fix that and then got distracted 23:33:30 heh 23:33:32 also has lines about ameobas 23:33:37 that was the discussion that led to donaldlaf, iirc 23:33:40 wigdonald 23:33:44 wigald 23:35:49 wignald 23:36:49 btw why is Ijyb a girl now 23:36:57 sexism 23:37:08 name doesn't sound very feminine 23:37:54 are you really worried about sexism in crawl... 23:38:19 who is 'you' in this question 23:38:29 just a general you 23:38:32 as in the devs 23:38:35 ijyb doesn't sound very anything 23:38:43 true 23:38:50 sounds a bit goblin 23:39:25 doesn't really matter, just seems like pointless change :P 23:39:40 I haven't heard any official announcements from the dev team along of the lines of "we're worried about sexism" 23:39:43 it is not a major change. 23:39:56 you'd think it wasn't a pointless change, based on the response to it 23:39:57 idk if it'll even make it into the official changelog? maybe a one-liner. 23:40:13 i would prefer not to have an actual argument about this 23:40:36 I have no beef with the change, don't worry :v 23:40:42 yeah, well 23:40:45 I don't like worms 23:40:46 so... 23:40:51 ! 23:41:02 that's wormist! 23:42:05 someone who cares about vp should look at the gdd vp thread, maybe 23:42:17 please change vp 23:42:22 I cant win it currently 23:42:47 play bloax vampires 23:42:57 -!- contra has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:43:13 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:43:17 no jiyva 23:43:22 I don't want to be a troll with 9 str... 23:43:34 shuffletroll lives 23:45:44 -!- Tickenest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:52:15 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:54:19 if nothing else comes from that thread I want animate skeleton to give vampires blood potions instead of chunks 23:56:00 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 23:56:33 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 23:57:19 there's a gdd vp thread? 23:57:35 i must investigate this 23:58:21 TERRIBLE blow to flavor. huge balance change. unallowable 23:59:52 heh