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15:29:49 <Undo> Um.
15:30:06 <Undo> So since we can use scrolls on things on the ground now
15:30:29 <Undo> I think I should be able to enchant this MDH->MDA on the ground with the scroll I just read-ID'd
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16:13:10 <amalloy> that sounds reasonable to me, Undo, although as you have discovered it is not (yet) possible
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16:53:09 <ProzacElf> should tab really be telling me there's no reachable target when i can walk right through the plants blocking the way?
16:53:40 <ProzacElf> i imagine it's done that forever anyway, but it seems odd
16:53:53 <ProzacElf> especially since autoexplore will walk me through the plants
16:57:41 <|amethyst> !learn add rare_messages The bloodstain on the floor disappears!
16:57:42 <Sequell> rare messages[26/26]: The bloodstain on the floor disappears!
16:59:41 <ProzacElf> heh
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17:18:06 <amalloy> is there a reason that OSEL_ENCHANTABLE_WEAPON exists and OSEL_ENCHANTABLE_ARMOUR doesn't? i was looking at how to implement Undo's FR, and it seems like having an OSEL would simplify things but maybe there's some reason not to add it
17:22:32 <|amethyst> amalloy:  because it's called OSEL_ENCH_ARM, because typing was much harder back in the day
17:23:20 <|amethyst> amalloy:  (enchantable_weapon was added fairly recently, when ?EW started working on non-wielded weapons)
17:24:48 <Cheibriados> 03amalloy02 07* 0.19-a0-1022-g07f772b: Rename OSEL_ENCH_ARM => OSEL_ENCHANTABLE_ARMOUR 10(19 seconds ago, 3 files, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/07f772be2dc6
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17:41:06 <Undo> :D
17:45:58 <amalloy> Undo: the commit above was just some cleanup/prep-work, didn't actually do anything interesting. but just as you sent that message, i happened to finish implementing it for real. not gonna commit it yet, since weapons should get the same treatment, but that shouldn't be hard
17:46:35 <Undo> Haha, yeah, I was thinking about other similar scenarios;
17:46:53 <Undo> reading randbooks on the floor has a quirk like that too
17:47:14 <Undo> I think if you M, it tells you that you need to pick it up, but you can "r," to read the book and then M works fine
17:47:26 <Undo> but reading spellbooks takes 0 auts right?
17:48:35 <amalloy> yes, that is a known quirk that it would be nice to fix
17:48:43 <amalloy> not just for randbooks but fixedbooks
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18:02:06 <amalloy> |amethyst: there's a lambda in my new enchant_armour code that i'd like to extract into a top-level function but i don't know how to type it, or how to manage its memory. it currently looks like https://gist.github.com/amalloy/a2bfb97c7cc4e02ec5eb1430268a853e, where alreadyknown is closed over and would have to be a parameter to the new top-level function
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18:03:00 <amalloy> i guess it'd look something like: function<bool()> warn_cancelling_unknown(bool already_known) {return [=]() {...};} maybe?
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18:06:05 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1022-g07f772b (34)
18:07:01 <amalloy> actually that signature seems to compile, and the resulting code works, but i'm not sure if it's working because it's correct or by luck. i guess i'll read up about the storage class and scoping of closures returned from functions
18:07:49 <|amethyst> amalloy:  hm
18:08:33 <|amethyst> function returning a lambda is funny, usually you'd use a struct with operator() for that
18:08:56 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1022-g07f772b (34)
18:08:57 <|amethyst> Can I see more context?
18:09:08 <amalloy> well, from my perspective as a lisper a function returning a lambda is pretty normal
18:09:10 <amalloy> sure
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18:09:55 <amalloy> |amethyst: https://github.com/amalloy/crawl/commit/2ce7d5255fc764b3bb140d8d82569a2e6d62529b is what things look like before extracting the lambda
18:10:13 <amalloy> i want to extract it because otherwise i'll have to write the exact same lambda in the ?EW/?EA code
18:10:46 <|amethyst> hm
18:11:13 <amalloy> fwiw, reading http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7941562/what-is-the-lifetime-of-a-c-lambda-expression suggests to me that the lambda is constructed on the stack of its containing function, and then if you return that lambda its closure gets copied with move semantics
18:11:52 <|amethyst> yeah, no problem with returning a lambda, it's just more lispy than C++y
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18:12:15 <Undo> What C++ are we actually on, anyways?
18:12:19 <Undo> (for DCSS)
18:12:28 <amalloy> do you feel the same way about functions taking lambdas, |amethyst?
18:12:46 <|amethyst> no
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18:13:09 <|amethyst> I guess this way is probably more readable than the way that uses a struct
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18:13:53 <|amethyst> I would make it more clear in the name of your factory though
18:14:07 <amalloy> it seems to me that use_an_item explicitly takes an X argument, and i want a function that produces X objects easily, and X just happens to be function<bool()>
18:14:23 <amalloy> sure, if you have a name you prefer i don't mind naming it whatever
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18:21:29 <amalloy> actually i think i can combine things in a way where we don't end up needing this lambda at all
18:21:31 <|amethyst> amalloy:  hm, what do you think about making allowcancel a function<bool(bool)>... because _identify does nearly the same thing
18:21:37 <amalloy> or rather, we only need it in one place
18:21:46 <|amethyst> oh
18:21:56 <|amethyst> I guess use_an_item could just take a bool there
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18:22:19 <|amethyst> since every user of use_an_item either passes null, or would want to pass your function
18:22:29 <|amethyst> s/your function/a lambda returned by &/
18:22:51 <|amethyst> err
18:23:01 <|amethyst> s/passes null/passes [](){return true;}/
18:23:48 <amalloy> FR: bool always() {return true;}
18:23:57 <|amethyst> hm
18:24:13 <|amethyst> I guess always_true<void> probably doesn't work :)
18:24:20 <Undo> hahaha
18:24:28 <|amethyst> need to make always_true variadic
18:24:37 <|amethyst> it predates our using C++11
18:25:20 <amalloy> useful functions from clojure: (defn constantly [value] (fn [& args] value))
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18:31:30 <|amethyst> amalloy:  are you changing the signature of use_an_item at the moment?
18:31:42 <amalloy> no
18:31:52 <|amethyst> then I'll make a quick change
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18:40:51 <|amethyst> amalloy:  do change _identify while you're at it, though... I think it's currently missing the MSG_OK
18:41:02 <amalloy> |amethyst: the MSG_OK is spurious
18:41:04 <amalloy> i'm removing it from the others
18:41:04 <|amethyst> ah
18:41:23 <amalloy> i'll see about rolling identify in, once i've made wpn/armour use the same code
18:42:38 <|amethyst> recharge_wand is also similar if someone wants to convert that to allow recharging ground items
18:43:19 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-1023-g13af6d2: Improve always_true and use its new powers. 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/13af6d27b146
18:44:20 <amalloy> |amethyst: the direction i'm going in is https://github.com/amalloy/crawl/commit/5fced4c9e90a8541bdc973b00446018350fc320f - seem reasonable?
18:45:36 <amalloy> the idea being to replace the item selection code for ?ew/?bw/?id with a call to _choose_target_item_for_scroll
18:45:41 <|amethyst> hm, would the item_predicate ever be different from the semantics of the selector?
18:45:48 <amalloy> oh, that's right
18:45:57 <amalloy> i forgot that part, since it wasn't evident in the existing ?EA code
18:46:08 <amalloy> so we don't need that at all
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18:47:49 <amalloy> plus honestly i'm not entirely sure that check is necessary
18:48:01 <amalloy> can use_an_item even return something that doesn't match the selector?
18:48:05 <amalloy> i'm having trouble making it do so
18:48:35 <wheals> use_an_item always returns something that matches the selector
18:48:38 <wheals> or nullptr
18:48:41 <amalloy> lovely
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18:50:54 <wheals> so it should *not* be inside a do-while, there's one inside the function
18:51:00 <wheals> the lambda is necessary though
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18:54:25 <amalloy> right
18:54:58 <|amethyst> also, I realise I was probably the one who committed it, but do { ... } while(true); is kind of funny
18:59:49 <|amethyst> we have:
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19:00:10 <amalloy> hm, if we don't need the do/while anymore or the selector check there's not a lot left for this function to do. that's good news - use_an_item is apparently pretty good
19:00:47 <gammafunk> man, I know I'm terrible at C++ but
19:00:56 <gammafunk> function<bool(item_def&)> item_predicate
19:01:14 <gammafunk> is this syntax for specifying function arguments standard since one of the more recent C++ standards?
19:01:39 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  function is a template class that can wrap all kinds of function-like things
19:01:50 <amalloy> you miss the bad old days of obscure function pointer declarations?
19:02:10 <|amethyst> the part inside the <> is like the function pointer declaration, but without the pointer or the function name
19:02:20 <gammafunk> amalloy: no, just that's what I'm used to, and I didn't realize that function<> was this powerful thing like what |amethyst is saying
19:02:30 <|amethyst> bool (item_def&)   vs  bool (*item_predicate)(item_def&)
19:02:34 <gammafunk> yeah
19:03:14 <|amethyst> "bool(item_def&)" has existed for a long time in C++, though... that's the type of a function before it decays to a function pointer
19:03:22 <|amethyst> which you'd never see in C
19:03:53 <|amethyst> nor in C++ outside of things like templates and maybe references
19:04:10 <|amethyst> function<> is C++11 though
19:04:17 <gammafunk> ok, good!
19:04:25 <|amethyst> n.b. there is a run-time penalty to using function<>
19:05:07 <amalloy> rip dcss, a good game brought to its knees by the weight of lambdas
19:05:10 <|amethyst> it works by type erasure, so it has to figure out the actual type at runtime.  In most implementations that is a virtual function call
19:05:19 <|amethyst> s/that is/that is implemented by/
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19:08:45 <travis-ci> The build was broken. (master - 13af6d2 #6220 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/147893902
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19:08:50 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1023-g13af6d2 (34)
19:09:00 <amalloy> is it easy to tell from an item_def* whether the player is carrying that item? it's a little questionable to print "Your rapier cracles with electricity." when the rapier is actually on the floor
19:09:30 <|amethyst> in_inventory(*it)
19:10:11 <amalloy> thanks
19:10:58 <|amethyst> bah
19:11:04 <|amethyst> stupid old gcc
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19:22:37 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-1024-gb952fa4: Fix g++ 4.7 compilation. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b952fa4effec
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19:27:26 <gammafunk> can the arguments to the always_true template function have a mix of classes?
19:28:33 <|amethyst> yeah
19:28:47 <Cheibriados> 03amalloy02 07* 0.19-a0-1025-g778f431: Allow using ?EA/?EW/?BW on floor items (Undo) 10(84 minutes ago, 1 file, 49+ 99-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/778f431c611d
19:28:57 <gammafunk> nice
19:29:04 <|amethyst> (and non-class types, of course)
19:29:27 <|amethyst> I still haven't gotten into the habit of writing 'typename' instead of 'class'
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19:41:05 <ZiBuDo> !messages
19:41:06 <Sequell> (1/3) gammafunk said (4w 3d 4h 49m 3s ago): It seems that the cjr rebuild script might not work, I get a message about a lock because someone is updating the build, but it doesn't appear that anyone is.
19:41:18 <ZiBuDo> !messages
19:41:19 <Sequell> (1/2) |amethyst said (3w 5d 1h 13m 27s ago): the save backup message on CJR gives a dobrazupa.org URL; need to change WEB_SAVEDUMP_URL in dgl-manage.conf
19:41:25 <ZiBuDo> !messages
19:41:26 <Sequell> (1/1) |amethyst said (3w 5d 1h 12m 18s ago): (then 'dgl publish', specifically of chroot/bin/)
19:45:40 <gammafunk> ZiBuDo: I got that error when trying a rebuild, but it seemed to clear itself up
19:45:47 <ZiBuDo> yea
19:45:52 <ZiBuDo> thats cuz i have it update hourly
19:45:58 <ZiBuDo> i assume you tried when it was running
19:46:06 <gammafunk> I didn't actually, or it shouldn't have been
19:46:17 <ZiBuDo> hmm
19:46:20 <ZiBuDo> unlucky
19:46:29 <gammafunk> was aware of the 1h timeframe, but I got that and then the scheduled rebuild hadn't run on time either
19:46:39 <gammafunk> but yeah no problems currently
19:47:07 <gammafunk> the memes on cjr are a much bigger problem than the rebuilds...
19:47:57 <ZiBuDo> okay buddy
19:48:40 <ZiBuDo> I've been quite busy, but ill try cleaning some stuff up
19:48:56 <gammafunk> I was joking :)
19:49:21 <ZiBuDo> that's what my parents said
19:49:25 <ZiBuDo> xD
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20:06:44 <travis-ci> The build was fixed. (master - b952fa4 #6221 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/147900514
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20:18:21 <amalloy> make up your mind, webtiles server
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20:49:21 <travis-ci> The build was fixed. (master - 778f431 #6222 : Alan Malloy): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/147901522
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21:08:53 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1025-g778f431 (34)
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21:34:38 <PleasingFungus> !vault minmay_shrinking_squares
21:34:38 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des#L7354
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21:47:26 <minmay> if you're wearing fencer's gloves and wielding a polearm, and you dodge a reaching attack from a monster, can you riposte it
21:47:41 <PleasingFungus> iirc riposte is melee only
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21:48:01 <PleasingFungus> yep
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21:52:19 <shmup> < zackoid> are any of you guys in crawl-dev? what's the chance that a hex-ally has to hex a plain draconian at XL27?
21:52:45 <PleasingFungus> @??draconian
21:52:46 <Gretell> draconian (07d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 55-74 | AC/EV: 10/11 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 527 | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
21:52:51 <PleasingFungus> pretty high
21:52:57 <PleasingFungus> @??hexer hd:18
21:52:57 <Gretell> hexer (11R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 1-2 | AC/EV: 9/10 | Dam: 21 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, fly, regen, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(120), 05fire, 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 106 | Sp: paralyse, mass confusion, haste | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
21:53:04 <PleasingFungus> hm, that was a silly query
21:53:39 <minmay> I don't know what you were hoping for
21:53:48 <PleasingFungus> neither do I!
21:54:54 <PleasingFungus> @??grey draconian
21:54:54 <Gretell> grey draconian (15d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 78-115 | AC/EV: 16/10 | Dam: 25, 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, cold-blooded, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 1341 | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
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