00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:12 petrify stabs being as strong as sleep stabs would make petrify a good spell, which i assume is to be avoided 00:00:15 haha 00:00:50 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:00:55 nets are already really powerful so I don't think buffing netstabbing is a good idea 00:01:01 i'll accept that 00:01:24 in terms of player understanding, i feel like petrification being different from paralysis is weird - they're both complete immobility & helplessness 00:01:30 and you wouldn't expect a netted monster to be particularly more helpless than an allied/confused one 00:01:32 just one gives a weird damage halving thing and the other doesn't 00:01:38 yeah i retract the net thing 00:01:58 yes, petrified should certainly be the same as paralysed intuitively 00:02:39 probably there are other knobs we could tweak on the spell 00:02:43 i guess the idea of making petrified only as good as confused is that the monster's vital parts are really hard to reach on account of the petrification 00:02:55 yeah you can sort of reach around to justify it 00:03:04 idk 00:03:08 like if you want to stab a paralysed orc in the butt but his hand is covering it, you can move his hand out of the way 00:03:11 but if hes a statue you cant 00:03:14 lol 00:03:19 i was just thinking about the whole being made of stone thing 00:03:19 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:03:25 making a stab in the back less meaningful 00:03:28 like, you're stabbing rock 00:03:31 or something 00:03:49 (but then why does it work at all...? best not to think too hard about it) 00:04:18 you can destroy something that is literally pure iron by hitting it with a sword 00:04:33 and it doesnt damage the sword 00:04:40 realism in crawl 00:04:46 i guess basically from a tiles perspective 00:04:52 you'd indicate tier 2 stabs with the zzz in the corner 00:04:57 or however para shows up 00:05:15 two semi-arbitrary things isn't very bad 00:06:05 -!- wye_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:06:15 like, the player would have to memorize it rather than having some really consistent rule, but memorizing two things isn't hard. 00:06:37 right now there are 4 things with no consistent rule 00:06:45 this would change it to 2 00:07:06 man i'm behind the simplification, i'm just thinking about how to make the end-state as good as possible 00:07:11 and if you make petrified stabs top tier then it's not really inconsistent either 00:07:16 yeah 00:07:30 if the monster literally cant move you get a good stab, otherwise you get a meh stab 00:07:57 yeah 00:08:02 that's why i was suggesting it 00:08:26 that's a lot of 'yeah' 00:08:55 yeah 00:09:24 @??ball python 00:09:25 ball python (03S) | Spd: 12 (swim: 60%) | HD: 1 | HP: 3-4 | AC/EV: 0/11 | Dam: 2, 103(constrict) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 12drown | XP: 1 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:09:29 someone buff these 00:10:22 bring back old constriction 00:10:23 that was the shit 00:11:07 old constriction, old mimics... 00:11:19 -!- Nomi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19:42 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:27:42 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:57 New branch created: nobookamnesia (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/nobookamnesia 00:27:57 03PleasingFungus02 07[nobookamnesia] * 0.19-a0-1019-g6622a18: Remove book amnesia 10(29 minutes ago, 9 files, 22+ 93-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6622a18fe0be 00:28:15 noooo 00:28:26 no boo kamnesia 00:28:28 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:28:44 bring back boo kamnesia, imo 00:29:28 delete this branch immediately! 00:29:35 sorry, i... forgot.... 00:29:43 how else am I to express my hatred for magic?? 00:29:49 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1019-g9c6a58d (34) 00:29:51 trog? 00:29:59 lava? 00:30:16 my absolute disGUST for the arkane marksperson profession 00:30:31 no i do not want to have corona thank you very much 00:30:44 !hs * gham recentish 00:30:50 406. Vidiiot the Dissident (L27 GhAM), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-09-08 18:02:48, with 25178777 points after 58788 turns and 6:05:33. 00:31:05 wow, that... what is that title? 00:31:07 is that an invo title? 00:31:16 !hs * gham recentish -log 00:31:17 406. Vidiiot, XL27 GhAM, T:58788: http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Vidiiot/morgue-Vidiiot-20150908-180248.txt 00:31:35 20.7 invo... 00:31:39 oka... 00:31:45 gham... 00:31:57 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:09 kinda beautiful 00:32:12 +1 00:33:24 no hell or standpanlord kills too 00:33:30 panstandlord? standlord? 00:33:44 sounds like jojo's 00:34:50 the inspiration behind hep, ofc 00:36:28 NOT canon 00:37:07 -!- packet_loss has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:38:08 learn add hepliaklqana yes, as the dev behind much of the work on hep's flavor, it was inspired by Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (primarily part 5). 00:38:15 noooo 00:38:23 i stopped midway through part 3 because it was shit 00:38:33 part 2 was good but 3 was not 00:38:37 part 3 is pretty bad, yes. 00:39:04 i'm told i should just skip ahead or something but i feel like i'm out of steam 00:40:26 were you reading the manga or watching the anime? 00:40:34 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:48:30 latter 00:51:57 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 00:53:29 -!- punpun has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:56:37 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:57:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:58:22 -!- Undo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:40 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05:48 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:08:40 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:41 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:42 The build passed. 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www.ntalk.de] 07:24:59 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:30 -!- Guest40869 is now known as debo 07:38:28 Ash doesn't identify items in stacks 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10580 by Yermak 07:40:28 -!- zeia has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:48:29 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:58:30 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:35 !tell pleasingfungus your book amnesia commit has an unfinished bit of description editing or something stuck in there (also, fully in favour of merging it whenever, although it probably doesn't even need the ?amnesia increase) 08:02:35 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:05:06 !tell pleasingfungus re: adamant, i sort of feel like "shields blocking things that shields don't normally block" is better just kept in unrand territory, it seems like a quite substantial difference in type of effect compared to other egos 08:05:07 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:08:07 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 08:10:03 -!- MaBunny has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:15:55 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:50 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:26:59 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:27:09 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:27:33 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:23 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:18 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:24 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:56 -!- packet_loss has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:40:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:20 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:54:40 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:54:45 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:08 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:16:39 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:17:40 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 09:20:57 Summon turns itself hostile with its own exploding fulminant prism 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10581 by Rast 09:32:35 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:43 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:37:46 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:43:08 -!- doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:48:07 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:15 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:22 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:06:37 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 10:12:55 -!- bgiannan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:11 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:27 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:37:50 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:10 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:07 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:42:56 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:10 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:24 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:02:17 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:06 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:09:15 Is it a known thing that the OSX tiles build is currently broken (on Yosemite at least)? 11:09:42 When I try and open it I get - "Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup - Tiles" is damanged and can't be opened. You should move it to the trash. 11:09:58 it's known that some poeple get that and some find it working 11:10:30 apple's signing infrastructure only works right for xcode builds targeting the app store, apparently; anything else is a crapshoot 11:10:30 Aha, thanks :) 11:10:41 Boo walled gardens. 11:10:54 * broquaint tries building from source 11:11:58 basically, builds check out locally on my build machine and fresh VMs as being correct and properly signed. but about half of people who download it see that because it's detecting the signed bundle inside and deciding the signature is bad 11:12:56 I gave up trying to figure out why; it broke when my signing key expired (they expire annually). possibly there's some intermediate key that would need to be updated that Apple didn't bother to update globally because everyone should be using the app store :/ 11:14:11 (my 10.9 doesn't even recognize the new key, which may be a symptom) 11:14:31 It seems to JFW for the console version FWIW. 11:19:42 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:22 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:23:24 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:17 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:08 Cool, builds locally at least :) 11:27:48 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:12 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:32:33 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:32:57 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:48 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:34:58 yes, it's correctly built, and the dmg is in fact valid but the checker validates signatures too and apple's crapware fails the signature without saying why 11:35:49 since it works on some but not all systems I still think it's an intermediate cert required by my signing cert :/ 11:37:50 btu not one of their validation tools will tell you about that :/ 11:39:18 Mara shows up twice 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10582 by argonaut 11:39:52 -!- Dix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:54:56 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:55:16 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:16 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:57:26 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:58:03 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11:18 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:17:21 -!- wye_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:19 -!- Dix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:39 Bleurgh :/ 12:27:00 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:36:14 -!- eggzz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:37:05 -!- home has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:42:25 -!- Dix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53:03 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:22 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:03 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:04:27 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:05:18 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1019-g9c6a58d (34) 13:12:50 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:13:49 -!- fruitloops7 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:25:03 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:25:21 probably summons shouldn't be shaftable 13:25:22 wheals: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 13:25:24 !messages 13:25:25 (1/2) Shard1697 said (1d 10h 57m 30s ago): If you're still tweaking it, a change/replacement idea for Bind Soul: spell which makes all living monsters in LoS spawn a summoned spectral version of themselves(counts as summoned by them, so each one vanishes if the actual monster it's a copy of dies, not the necromancer). called "Out of Body Experience" or something 13:25:27 !messages 13:25:27 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (13h 46m 33s ago): http://i.imgur.com/iGfkrDA.png Mission Accomplished 13:25:41 Shard1697: i'm retired, maybe bother PleasingFungus 13:26:35 deja vu 13:26:48 ok, non-jokingly, that sounds like a good idea 13:26:56 %git :/simulac 13:26:56 07wheals02 * 0.19-a0-980-ge9eda62: Bind Souls creates simulacra. 10(12 days ago, 16 files, 60+ 43-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e9eda62bf6dd 13:27:12 !lg * vlong>=0.19-a0-980-ge9eda62 ikiller=necromancy s=ckiller 13:27:12 No games for * (vlong>=0.19-a0-980-ge9eda62 ikiller=necromancy). 13:27:17 !lg * vlong>=0.19-a0-980-ge9eda62 ikiller=necromancer s=ckiller 13:27:18 5 games for * (vlong>=0.19-a0-980-ge9eda62 ikiller=necromancer): 3x a necromancer, a fire giant simulacrum, a juggernaut skeleton 13:27:37 !lg * vlong>=0.19-a0-980-ge9eda62 ikiller=necromancer ckiller=fire giant simulacrum 13:27:37 No keyword 'giant' 13:27:41 !lg * vlong>=0.19-a0-980-ge9eda62 ikiller=necromancer ckiller='fire giant simulacrum' 13:27:42 1. callmezampa the Black Belt (L19 DrMo of Ashenzari), annihilated by a fire giant simulacrum (led by a necromancer) on Vaults:4 (nicolae_vaults_what_the_h) on 2016-07-22 16:32:20, with 282045 points after 47065 turns and 2:09:58. 13:27:54 oh so that's not even the thing 13:30:13 idk about name though. could also still be called Bind Soul(s) I guess 13:32:03 i like the idea 13:33:16 (: 13:33:24 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:36:49 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:11 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:40:39 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rcfile automatically change your autopickup settings if you grab a launcher? 14:41:46 so that you also start picking up the appropriate ammo type? 14:43:40 probably! 14:44:07 i'm sure you could do it in lua by iterating over your inventory and looking for launcher types or something, not sure if there's a simpler way 14:45:54 hahaha 14:46:15 that's more work than just changing it manually, i think 14:46:27 at least given my rather limited knowledge of lua 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:08 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:00:11 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:00:22 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:01:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:01:19 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:03:32 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:10:35 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12:26 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:24 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 15:17:55 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[Quit: Bye] 21:14:36 -!- Undo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:16:40 -!- Tungsten has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:20:13 -!- mango_lives has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:25:38 btw, as long as it still exists: how do people in here feel about just giving necromutation unlimited duration, so you at least don't have to recast it 21:27:50 I favor making it give permanent duration 21:27:57 and slightly less bad 21:28:08 -!- zeia has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:29:24 archaeo's "amulet of gourmand->amulet of necromutation" idea also seems cool to me 21:29:52 so you would take it on and off? 21:30:13 -!- xormask has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:15 it could probably give you a big amount of drain on removal or something 21:32:07 What's the status of the bug tracker? I was looking there for easy things to fix, but it seems like there are a massive number of untriaged bugs? 21:32:59 "a big amount of drain on removal" sounds like a really bad way to discourage swapping on an item which encourages swapping by its nature 21:33:45 could also just take time to turn you into lich 21:34:11 so you wouldn't be able to throw it on instantly as soon as malmutator/tormentor comes into view, and then remove once it's dead 21:34:59 isn't that about 1/2 the point of lich form? 21:37:10 yeah, but I feel like the drawbacks should be a bit more noticable if it's amulet instead of high level spell... and also design consensus right now is "amulets should not be for swapping". though that may just mean it won't happen 21:38:52 i feel like putting an effect which heavily encourages swapping on a mechanism which heavily disincentivizes swapping is a bit of an odd choice personally. 21:39:38 perhaps. I'm probably too into the flavor of an "undead form amulet" than anything else 21:40:03 ah, like a phylactery? 21:42:29 yeah. putting on an amulet and turning into a lich is very cool, which is why I hope it could have a place ingame 21:44:04 -!- hellmonk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:51:42 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:51:56 Shard1697: have you thought at all about the problems of giving a dcss spell permanent duration? 21:51:56 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 21:52:40 i.e. the *msl situation 21:52:54 rmsl is a low level spell any character can cast 21:53:00 the context is totally different 21:53:05 and yet, the same problems appear. 21:53:20 I don't agree tbqh 21:54:14 with necromut you have a huge investment spell which is not even a good option, I think you might as well make it as convenient as possible since people are already making a bad choice for the sake of convenience 21:54:14 to be clear. you don't think people would take off their armour before casting necromut? 21:54:21 so that they could cast it with a dramatically lower xp investment? 21:55:07 I think most characters who are looking to cast necromut would be looking to cast in light armor, and either way it's still such a big investment spell 21:55:08 and also 21:55:14 necromut lasts so long anyways 21:55:36 especially since it enhances itself 21:55:50 that you could already do that if you really want to. no one does it, because no one using necromut is going for optimal play 21:56:23 and if it really truly turned out to actually matter: make the player unable to change armor while in lichform 21:57:51 i think the argument that "no one using necromut is going for optimal play" is a very silly argument 21:58:12 making the player unable to change armour might be justifiable. idk. i have no enthusiasm for anything related to lichform 21:58:16 or to cast it while brilliance is active? or while wearing wizardry? 21:58:37 pile on a staff + rings before casting 21:58:38 mm 21:59:07 blow the hair on your special undead Troll Doll for extra luck against a miscast as well? why not. 21:59:38 for the record, at 100 power, necromut lasts for 20-220 turns (avg. 120 but fairly high variance). that is not incredibly long relative to the time it takes to swap armour on and off 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:05 you may ask, "who casts necromut at 100 power?" i would posit: the sort of player who needs to swap armour on and off, use wizardry tricks, etc 22:00:34 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:29 recasting buffs is tedious and dumb but just naively making buff duration infinite is worse than the disease 22:02:06 I still think the XP investment required to cast it in this way is big enough to make doing this a Bad Idea, and if it's not actually smart I don't think it's a problem 22:02:24 I also don't think rmsl is actually a problem either though so ymmv I guess 22:02:53 hell, we should take the rmsl approach 22:03:11 lich is up permanently, but every time you take torment/negative energy damage, it has a chance to drop 22:03:27 Lichmsl 22:03:39 do monsters even try to torment you when you're liched? 22:03:47 gammafunk: but can't be cancelled otherwise, of course 22:04:00 MarvinPA: PleasingFungus: yeah 22:04:06 carry around stacks of scrolls of torment to read to try and be able to emergency quaff 22:04:14 oops, re the monsters not targetting you with torment thing 22:04:29 kiting a shadow dragon until it knocks you out of lichdom so you can quaff your zig !benemut... 22:05:12 somewhat relatedly: i'm not sure that ponderous ozo's really makes it a better spell 22:05:38 was thinking of working on that vaguely-proposed cone ice debuff thing at some point for a replacement, maybe 22:05:46 you can just use flame tongue on yourself to melt it can't you 22:06:11 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:06:19 How did cone ice debuff work in a nutshell? 22:06:23 if it's bad, does it actually need a replacement? 22:06:32 also, if it's bad, would increasing the ponderousness (as was discussed) help? 22:07:53 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:08:39 it could just be straight-up removed too but the IE start would then be fairly empty, although maybe there are other 4-spell starting books now 22:09:08 probably still a strong start 22:09:36 no other 4-spell starts 22:10:02 venom mage might as well be 4-spell 22:10:21 ? 22:10:23 how do you figure that 22:10:42 alistair's is Bad and they already have meph 22:11:04 which would be better even if alistairs was lv3 imo 22:11:06 it's gotten buffed a few times 22:11:12 alistair 22:11:24 i kinda miss mass confusion 22:11:31 there's something to be said for simple effects 22:11:43 without needing to have a million special cases and complex interactions 22:11:45 alistair's has always been pretty decent and i think got buffed since i last used it even 22:12:38 does it still have random chance to confuse you and drain int and also not work on animals 22:12:44 anyway back on ozo's, i guess really racking up the ponderousness might make the tradeoff more relevant but i still just don't think plain +ac as a spell benefit is interesting 22:13:35 too generally useful? 22:14:33 maybe true for ozo's but don't think that's a problem for all spells - cigo's doesn't need the sh to be interesting (though i'm still not sure it's any good) 22:15:18 yeah, i'm also not convinced by cigotuvi's :P 22:15:59 although it's a better approach than ozo's for it 22:16:05 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:16:12 cashing in corpses for a temp buff is cool, imo 22:16:20 corpses 4 cash 22:16:48 gozag approves 22:17:09 gozag cuts out the middleman. 22:18:17 -!- mango_lives has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:18:46 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:19:17 -!- home has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:50 oh also, a totally unrelated thing that would be good to get rid of: monster stealth??? 22:19:55 did you know: monster stealth is very, very weird 22:20:12 i always forget what it is 22:20:16 like, when it's even used 22:20:37 how likely it is for a disturbance indicator to be shown for invisible monsters, and how accurate that indicator will be (i think) 22:20:50 lmao 22:20:59 that would not have been my guess 22:21:28 hey, instead of joking around, let's add more interesting effects like monster blood sense 22:21:45 monster bat form... 22:22:21 i guess there's probably a whole other discussion to be had on the merits of monster invisibility and its interface in general, but i think making all invis things have the same behaviour as current 0 stealth would be fine for a start 22:22:31 yeah 22:22:32 or -3 stealth or whatever the scale is 22:22:40 some arbitrary value 22:23:07 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:23:09 // Orcs are a noisy bunch and get a penalty here to affect orc wizard invisibility. 22:23:11 balance... 22:23:12 my favourite monster stealth fact is yes that one 22:23:30 balance above all else 22:23:46 i personally enjoy the penalty to stealth for being in a halo 22:24:07 also unseen horrors & shadows being special-cased to always be at max stealth, because...? 22:24:24 stealthy af 22:24:28 how horrifying 22:24:34 enh, i'm not seeing it. 22:25:21 unseen horror tile has always struck me as very cute, rather than horrifying 22:25:41 hrm, while people are around, what do you think of flattening stab tiers from 4 levels into 2 22:25:42 it's the big eye 22:25:46 CanOfWorms: yeah 22:25:50 oh shoot i've got to go 22:26:00 send feedback, thanks, love letters &c via tell 22:26:01 later 22:26:02 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 22:28:31 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:32:23 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:36:03 -!- mango_lives has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:38:44 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:39:24 -!- vale__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:59 !tell pleasingfungus just moving everything other than sleep/paralysis into stab_bonus 4 looks good, not sure if fully petrified should be guaranteed and sleep-tier though? i guess maybe 22:39:59 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 22:40:02 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:44:37 -!- ActinalWhomp has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:49:14 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Quit: *ollies out*] 22:49:27 -!- Bammboo has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:54:31 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:54 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest20516 22:56:41 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:50 -!- Guest20516 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:04:14 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:04:37 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 23:16:45 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:16:58 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 23:18:04 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:20:47 -!- wye_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:29:04 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:29:12 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:30:24 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:30:32 -!- Jafet has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 23:32:11 -!- cait has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:53 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:39:24 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest93656 23:41:08 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:53:58 -!- ActinalWhomp has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:23 -!- punpun has quit [Client Quit]