00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04:04 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:41 -!- cait has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0.1/20160623154057]] 00:08:32 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19:31 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:23:04 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:30:45 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:32:55 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:33:21 -!- Esxyzu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:45:58 gammafunk: is that in the necronomicon now? 00:46:20 -!- meatpath has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:46:33 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:47:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:52 no 00:48:57 It's etched directly into the flesh of my undead heart, through which flows an unholy demon-ichor of the blackest pitch 00:49:29 well I guess you could also say it's in the Necronomicon, sure 00:49:55 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:54:57 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:04 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:42 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:01:47 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:04:18 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Client Quit] 01:07:31 is there any reason that your ancestor doesn't travel the same speed as you? 01:07:42 if you're a ce/sp/na/fe? 01:07:54 i mean, it'd stand to reason that your ancestor was the same race as you 01:16:16 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Client Quit] 01:18:34 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:21:01 ontoclasm: I'm not sure how you feel about this, but koboldina mentioned that the friendly indicator is awful hard to see on the brimstone fiend tile 01:22:23 for what it's worth, i find it to be a little weird on fedhas plants/ambient shrooms 01:22:39 not hard to see, but distracting i guess 01:23:53 ontoclasm: another similar instance is executioners. I don't think there are many tiles that have this visibility issue. Both brimstone and exec tiles are older anyhow, so perhaps targets for future tile updates 01:24:49 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 01:25:12 gammafunk: yeah 01:25:45 generally I hear praise of the green circle, along with some whistful rememberance of the red hearts 01:25:49 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26:03 people read too much into the meaning of those hearts imo 01:26:58 hah 01:27:32 i liked the old smiley for fedhas plants though 01:27:41 or rather, regular plants when you're with fedhas 01:27:52 it's a bit jarring, having all those circles, but I think you really just get used to it 01:28:14 For fedhas there's no confusion about "is this friendly" but man for summons and derived undead 01:28:39 yeah, i think the main reason i find it so weird for fedhas is that i use him so infrequently 01:29:03 i did it out of rage after going through Spider spamming shadow creatures 01:29:05 granted, i haven't used yred or beogh at all since the change 01:29:14 drove me nuts 01:29:18 but i have had no problem using a summoner 01:29:25 or a nemelex guy 01:29:31 with the circles i mean 01:29:34 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:29:35 "which of the 40 random spiders onscreen are mine? oh my god kill me" 01:29:59 -!- VoxSomniator_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:30:10 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:29 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:52 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:35:01 -!- koboldina has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:31 ontoclasm: i can see where that would be really annoying 01:35:36 do i need to bring up the ancestor speed thing with PF, or has that been discussed? 01:37:52 isn't there a command to move at the same speed as your slowest ally (during travel)? 01:39:12 gammafunk: anyway yes i should probably redraw brimstone fiends and execs 01:39:17 and balrugs 01:41:58 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:51 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:44:47 gammafunk: yes, of course, but it seems weird that my ancestor moves at human speed 01:45:23 yeah it's a flavor thing but. I think maybe a big enough one that maybe it should be changed 01:45:42 i mean i know that realism is a very fleeting thing in crawl, it just seems off 01:45:42 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:45:51 you can recall them trivially whenever anyways so it wouldn't change the god's power much 01:45:59 and i can think of very few ways that the player could use it to their advantage 01:46:13 to have a speed 11/12/whatever ancestor 01:47:05 and if you want to say 'well tengu change speed with permaflight' then you can just give them the permaflight speed from the start 01:47:29 it's not a huge issue, but like Shard1697 said, you can recall the ancestor trivially, so it's mostly a tedium thing 01:47:59 even if you use the ^e command you wind up outrunning your pal when moving manually 01:50:45 prozacelf: it's already weird that octopode and felid ancestors are humanoid 01:51:32 wizards 01:51:37 blame wizards 01:53:24 I made a felid ancestor tile, and it'd be cool to have it in... but then what do you put on it with the different jobs 01:53:57 my interpretation of the ancestor was that it wasn't like... YOUR ancestor per se 01:54:10 just sort of an abstract ancient spirit thing 01:54:26 doesn't it call it your ancestor 01:54:30 yes 01:54:33 but still 01:54:55 my(because I own it) ancestor 01:55:07 my pet ghost grandpa 01:55:14 it says "your orc" too 01:55:39 your (because it's on your side) ancestor 01:57:03 haha 01:57:14 i have no problem with the tile being the same for everyone 01:57:26 it's just 'ooo, i'm a spooky ghost ancestor!' 01:58:25 sure, but... idk, I think the implication is definitely that it's supposed to be someone from your lineage 01:58:33 especially with the God's description text 01:58:47 "Hepliaklqana the Forgotten accepts the worship of those who would remember 01:58:47 their forebears, and fight alongside the greatest of them all." 01:59:13 sure, but that doesn't work with felids etc 01:59:24 so i interpret it the other way 01:59:53 hepl should be reworked to be the god of imaginary friends 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:14 "Hepliaklqana the Imaginative" 02:02:37 ontoclasm: felids evolved from homo erectus 02:04:43 iircthey are witch'es cats so maybe it's the ancestor of the witch that made you??? 02:05:27 fr: each time you die as a felid you get another ancestor 02:05:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:44 fr: after you die your ancestor is the previous version of you 02:07:41 like, the ghost you left? 02:08:39 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 02:11:35 yes 02:13:23 fr: replace ghosts with that 02:16:02 heh 02:16:48 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:19:07 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Connection reset by peer] 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:12:49 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:14:32 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:16:00 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:17:54 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:47 -!- neizenel has joined ##crawl-dev 05:26:52 -!- nikheizen has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:27:32 bug (?): pretty sure beogh can no longer remove curses from followers because enchant weapon doesn't remove curse anymore, leading to wacky situations like this: 05:27:33 Worak hits the deep elf annihilator with a cursed enchanted arbalest. 05:28:26 seems like abug to me 05:28:30 i'd put it on mantis 05:28:48 will do 05:33:34 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 05:36:23 Beogh can no longer remove curses from followers due to the fact that enchant weapon doesn't remove curse anymore. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10554 by koboldina 05:36:36 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote 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guys later ;)] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10:39 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:10:50 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:12:28 and by impossible you mean the action sequence system is long overdue for a rework 13:13:01 What problems does it cause? 13:13:22 monsters acting a bunch of times in a row even when the player is fast also 13:13:44 ...? 13:13:49 idk if you call it a "problem" 13:13:57 how does that happen? 13:14:47 when you're fast and you're righting a monster that attacks fast 13:14:49 I think 13:15:05 this sounds like it's a complaint about monsters with multiple attacks? 13:15:07 @??troll 13:15:07 troll (07T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 32-44 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 20, 1509(claw), 1509(claw) | 10doors, regen | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 304 | Sz: Large | Int: human. 13:15:19 unless i'm totally misunderstanding you (possible!) 13:15:35 it's also possible that I don't understand the speed system 13:15:56 let me get back to you on that 13:16:07 possibly in the form of a duvessaesque tavern post 13:16:12 deng 13:16:41 anyway I came here with a Hep idea that probably isn't good enough for GDD 13:16:57 how about if when an ancestor dies, it can never again manifest on that dungeon 13:16:59 level 13:17:36 i think i know, but to avoid confusion, you should explain the problem you're trying to solve with this. 13:17:56 it's just a flavor idea 13:18:05 inspired by the Dragera books, where gods exist in multiple places simultenously 13:18:15 but when they die in a place they can never again manifest there 13:18:47 oh 13:18:51 I suppose there is also the possible problem of using your ally as a renewable resource that you can keep crashing into the same branch end 13:19:01 but you can also use your own HP for that so whatever 13:19:02 the ally is supposed to be a renewable resource 13:19:04 yeah 13:19:16 it would still be renewable. just not on the same level 13:19:26 anyway now that you're just saying it's flavor i am perfectly content to veto it. 13:19:35 i mean i was gonna reject it anyway but i might've had to explain why more 13:19:46 would also give the player an incentive to not have the ancestor die constantly 13:19:51 heh np 13:20:17 i very much do not want to have an incentive for the player to keep the ancestor alive, beyond, uh, the utility of having the ancestor alive 13:20:34 having a penalty (piety cost to revive) was something that i tried initially and that was not fun 13:21:22 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:23:40 fair enough 13:25:39 :) 13:25:46 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:56 i wonder if there's anything you could steal from the dragaera books. maybe one of the Great Weapons? 13:27:27 sure, why not 13:28:05 or raise player xl cap to 70 to get the feel of playing one of the dragaera characters 13:28:17 what if the orb of zot was actually the imperial orb 13:28:29 dragaera total conversion 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13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10555 by removeelyvilon 15:32:09 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:34:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:34:23 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:33 ??plan 15:35:33 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans 15:41:54 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42:25 -!- MIC132 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:57:10 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:20 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:06:24 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:06:56 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Client Quit] 16:08:36 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:12 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:30 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:23:33 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:26:55 -!- Kenran has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:32 -!- ystael has quit [Ping 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timeout: 272 seconds] 17:58:41 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:27 -!- cc is now known as Guest69923 18:06:56 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:07:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 18:12:42 I just realized that crawl's stairs tile is closely based on final fantasy vi http://www.fantasyanime.com/finalfantasy/ff6/images/ff6gba_map05-FigaroCastle.png 18:13:41 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:24 heh 18:15:30 what's the tile name? 18:15:33 !source stairs.png 18:15:34 Can't find stairs.png. 18:15:36 didn't think so 18:16:20 !source stone_stairs_down.png 18:16:21 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dngn/gateways/stone_stairs_down.png 18:17:17 conceptually they're the same, but the vertical spacing of the steps is definitely different 18:17:35 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:01 The shadowing is also a lot different 18:18:36 -!- Guest69923 has quit [Quit: 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0.19-a0-948-g4a52fa8: Don't hyphenate "Shopping list" 10(70 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4a52fa868d4d 18:47:59 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-949-g1057760: Don't make shallow water fumbling chance depend on dexterity 10(68 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/105776021445 18:47:59 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-950-g14faddf: Let Sif Muna start gifting books from 5* (gammafunk) 10(65 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/14faddfab897 18:47:59 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-951-g3411cc6: Don't give bonus HP to Kiku worshippers under DDoor 10(57 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3411cc6469eb 18:47:59 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-952-gcb3f820: Fix basilisks gesturing 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cb3f820e404b 18:52:56 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:57:39 -!- Ayey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:59:13 oh thank you for the worms/jackals thing 19:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:21 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:31 took me a while to decipher the nsubsts but i probably got it right and didn't break the vaults, maybe 19:01:03 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:01:57 MarvinPA: isn't that a fairly significant shallow water nerf? e.g. at 16 dex players used to have a 40% chance of fumbling, now they have 25% 19:02:34 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:00 not that I necessarily object to making fumbling less bad, but I don't know whether that is what you meant to do? 19:03:08 hmm true, not really 19:03:47 just didn't put much thought into the numbers, could definitely adjust it again to be a bit closer to the previous behaviour at average-ish dex 19:05:21 elliptic: is that 45% with 16 dex, or am I not reading that right? 19:05:27 I guess 25% is just assuming everyone has 64 dex 19:05:31 -!- Celsitudo has 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[2015-09-21 05:22:05] [dex=53] amalloy the Sensei (L27 OpTm of Cheibriados) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 19:08:47 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-952-gcb3f820 (34) 19:08:50 What are you doin' with all that crazy DEX, amalloy? 19:09:07 #justcheithings 19:09:21 EV: 50 19:09:47 !lm . max=dex x=dex -log 19:09:48 amalloy, XL27 OpTm, T:67531: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/amalloy/morgue-amalloy-20150921-053012.txt 19:10:18 honestly i barely remember that game. no real idea why i had so much dex 19:10:26 well it's pretty nice for dform 19:10:30 since you can get ev 19:12:00 MarvinPA: the current median fumble rate for chars in shoals is about 38% 19:12:45 so could go with 3/8 chance of fumble 19:12:46 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:13:55 seems reasonable, yeah 19:13:56 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:32 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-953-g1ce7b77: Adjust player fumbling chance (elliptic) 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1ce7b775b377 19:28:38 -!- home has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:47 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:48 The build passed. (master - cb3f820 #6154 : Chris Campbell): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/143627293 19:31:48 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 19:36:07 where would be an appropriate place to store my generated glyphs thing? 19:36:14 er, how would you tag it in the learndb, rather 19:45:35 ??glyphs 19:45:36 glyphs[1/2]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html — Generated with the script http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs 19:45:39 ??glyphs[2 19:45:39 glyph reform[1/4]: Many monsters were re-glyphed for console players in 0.15. Employed draconians to q; Immobile plants/fungi all to P; Mobile plants/fungi all to f; Tengu to Q; All derived undead to Z; Drakes to k; Non-unique humans to p; Most flying insects to y; Slugs to w; Dwarves to g; ghosts to W. 19:46:12 it would go in glyphs, probably put that at glyphs[2] 19:46:39 you can !learn add glyphs 19:46:54 and then !learn mv glyphs[3] glyphs[2] 19:47:05 where is the text of the entry you'd like to add 19:55:24 03regret-index02 07* 0.19-a0-954-g87348de: Split ogre mage and wizard spell sets, alter both (elliptic) 10(4 minutes ago, 4 files, 42+ 69-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/87348de860b6 19:55:53 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:57:18 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:57:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:06 -!- Ayey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:40 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:51 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:06:45 03regret-index02 07* 0.19-a0-955-ga9c347b: More early Vaults branch population tweaks 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a9c347bea4a0 20:07:33 how does gozag corpse->gold work when killing monsters over lave or blue lava? 20:08:43 s/lave/lava/ 20:08:47 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-954-g87348de (34) 20:12:19 it gets teleported into your pockets 20:12:19 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:12:31 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:32 The build passed. (master - 1ce7b77 #6155 : Chris Campbell): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/143631212 20:12:32 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 20:20:05 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:20:29 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest22373 20:21:00 this is a long shot but does anyone know if there's a way to sort phpbb forum posts by character count 20:23:12 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:24:44 MarvinPA: really? 20:28:17 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:39:48 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:41:00 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:58:03 nikheizen: yes. it used to be the gold vanished, but that encouraged unfun behaviour, like luring monsters onto land before killing them 20:59:12 -!- Ayey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:48 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:02:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:04:28 03regret-index02 07* 0.19-a0-956-g6bfe371: Combine Urug and Maud 10(3 minutes ago, 22 files, 28+ 142-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6bfe3717e884 21:05:33 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 21:06:57 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 21:07:34 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:07:55 wonderful news 21:08:00 yes 21:08:45 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-955-ga9c347b (34) 21:10:29 RIP maud 21:10:29 rip 21:11:26 wow what 21:12:46 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:53 @??tengu warrior 21:12:53 tengu warrior (10Q) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 10 | HP: 51-71 | AC/EV: 6/16 | Dam: 16, 8, 8 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, archer, fly | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 870 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 21:13:24 @??wizard 21:13:25 wizard (06p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 32-46 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 6 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 661 | Sp: b.fire (3d18), b.cold (3d18), crystal spear (3d28), blink / b.venom (3d15), mystic blast (3d15), confuse, slow, invisibility / magic dart (3d5), b.lightning (3d17), confuse, paralyse, haste / sting (d10), stone arrow (3d17), b.lightni.. 21:13:33 @??spriggan air mage 21:13:33 spriggan air mage (11i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 14 | HP: 40-56 | AC/EV: 2/22 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(140) | XP: 951 | Sp: b.lightning (3d19), airstrike (0-38), deflect missiles | Sz: little | Int: human. 21:14:32 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:21:56 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:31 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:24:11 -!- home has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:31 !learn add glyphs http://dev.host/~shmup/crawl/dcss-glyphs.html 21:24:32 glyphs[3/3]: http://dev.host/~shmup/crawl/dcss-glyphs.html 21:24:36 !learn mv glyphs[3] glyphs[2] 21:24:37 glyphs[3] -> glyphs[2/3]: http://dev.host/~shmup/crawl/dcss-glyphs.html 21:24:52 ??glyphs[2 21:24:52 glyphs[2/3]: http://dev.host/~shmup/crawl/dcss-glyphs.html 21:24:53 -!- Guest22373 is now known as debo 21:25:57 http://dev.host/~shmup/crawl/dcss-unused-glyphs.txt 21:26:13 neat 21:26:31 have to keep that in mind, for the next... glyph reform... 21:28:08 ha 21:28:08 -!- Tickenest has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:28:20 it'll update @daily 21:28:33 -!- JimmahDean has quit [] 21:28:47 unless I hook into anytime mon-data.h changes :D 21:29:10 shmup: thanks. And don't worry, we'd never let filthy tiles devs touch our beautiful glyphs... 21:29:35 haha. the thing that "concerns" me is, I rely on code consistency. my regex is probably pr weak :P 21:29:40 first time it happens I'll care about that lol 21:30:00 oh, you mean you have a regexp on the mon-data.h struct? 21:30:12 yeah it's possible for that to change, although possibly not the first line 21:30:13 yeah 21:30:14 hrm 21:30:36 it should be fine, it is mostly .*name_of_method_that_wont_change.* to start the search then 21:30:40 splitting on commas etc 21:30:45 it's not 100% regex 21:31:30 yeah, if you look for a C char then I think that would cover it; I suppose we could someday move to a unicode string? 21:32:15 that's a nice font that you use on the glyph page 21:32:37 haha, Ubuntu mono 21:33:26 yeah heh. I wanted us all to see the same monospace instead of just using 'monospace' 21:33:47 good point 21:34:12 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:13 well, I guess people will always use their own local font for actually playing 21:34:31 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:33 maybe you could add a font selector someday if you're bored 21:34:41 I'm sure there's no end of silly tweaks that could be done 21:34:45 I thought about that, yeah 21:34:47 for sure 21:34:48 -!- Cerpin has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:35:01 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:02 The build was broken. (master - a9c347b #6157 : regret-index): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/143636106 21:35:02 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 21:36:10 oh, I guess this has trouble with some entries like eldritch tentacle 21:36:16 that must set the colour during mon gen 21:36:27 ah yeah, colour_undef 21:36:33 okay so about that 21:36:34 probably one of the tentacle monsters that tries to have different colors for each monster? 21:36:42 in general colour_undef is handled with random_colour 21:36:46 and so I am doing that 21:36:54 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:36:57 i think that's totally reasonable for e.g. tentacles 21:37:03 can't think of a better way to represent it on that page 21:37:11 like, even if you had access to what crawl does in-game 21:37:19 oh, so a colour chosen upon generation? 21:37:26 didn't even realize eldritch did that 21:37:37 man I swear I recall them having an etc colour of some kind in-game 21:38:31 wow! they really do do that 21:38:40 tentacles are weird 21:38:42 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 21:38:50 but there are exceptions like ugly things are undef but get their own method cal 21:39:15 https://github.com/shmup/dcss-glyphs/issues/1 21:39:22 I listed the cases that need me to investigate 21:39:24 gammafunk: i remember this because it came up for krakens 21:39:29 yeah, kraken too 21:39:41 right, I remember that for X but didn't realize it was also used for eldritch 21:39:46 I guess I see the latter less frequently 21:39:49 huh, what's up with toadstools? 21:40:13 aren't they also color chosen upon generation? 21:40:30 colour_undef at least 21:40:31 @??toadstool 21:40:31 toadstool (15P) | Spd: 070 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-4 | AC/EV: 1/0 | 03plant, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 21:40:33 @??toadstool 21:40:33 toadstool (15P) | Spd: 070 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-4 | AC/EV: 1/0 | 03plant, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 21:40:35 @??toadstool 21:40:35 toadstool (15P) | Spd: 070 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-4 | AC/EV: 1/0 | 03plant, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 21:40:36 plausible, but i can't find the relevant code 21:40:36 yeah if things are undef by default they will be randomized 1-16 (no 8) 21:40:36 heh 21:40:39 1-15* 21:40:54 @??eldritch tentacle 21:40:54 eldritch tentacle (06w) | Spd: 12 (07stationary) | HD: 16 | HP: 96-140 | AC/EV: 13/0 | Dam: 3009(chaos), 4009(claw)09(chaos) | 11non-living, amphibious, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 08acid+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | XP: 2284 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 21:40:56 @??eldritch tentacle 21:40:56 eldritch tentacle (06w) | Spd: 12 (07stationary) | HD: 16 | HP: 96-140 | AC/EV: 13/0 | Dam: 3009(chaos), 4009(claw)09(chaos) | 11non-living, amphibious, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 08acid+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | XP: 2284 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 21:40:59 building now to test 21:41:01 hrm, guess monster doesn't do this 21:41:27 i think it chooses one color arbitrarily 21:41:38 @??ugly thing 21:41:38 purple ugly thing (06u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 56-75 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 22 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(40) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 558 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 21:41:39 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crawl/crawl/5efadfb8913dc69beeaf7e8adeca6a1c9634ca9f/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc 21:41:39 -!- Cerpin has quit [Client Quit] 21:41:40 @??ugly thing 21:41:40 purple ugly thing (06u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 56-75 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 22 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(40) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 558 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 21:41:41 exceptions are handled in there 21:41:43 seee 21:41:57 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:00 ooo 21:42:10 @??ugly thing 21:42:10 purple ugly thing (06u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 56-75 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 22 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(40) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 558 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 21:42:52 by all means if you see anything at all wrong I want to fix it 21:43:45 huh, yeah, every toadstool has its own color 21:43:46 weird 21:44:15 does that please you 21:44:40 no comment. 21:45:50 if someone has an old browser i'm curious what this does. I am setting font size with a weird css3 min-v and min-w depending on layout (portrait/landscape) 21:46:08 i imagine it'll just default browser font size 21:48:55 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: nights] 21:50:10 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:51:21 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Quit: Evablue_] 21:51:45 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:53:24 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:59:44 -!- Ayey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:52 in trunk, elephant graveyard just showed up on lair:1 22:02:04 has that always been possible, or is it because of the lair shortening? 22:02:15 regardless I think it's too tough for lair:1 22:02:23 it was close to the stairs too 22:03:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:08:45 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-956-g6bfe371 (34) 22:11:12 I'm not sure, but I believe that vault has always allowed that placement in Lair 22:24:31 -!- cottonwoods has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:32:42 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:32:51 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:38:17 -!- wheals__ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:02 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:58:39 New branch created: donlaf (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/donlaf 22:58:39 03regret-index02 07[donlaf] * 0.19-a0-957-g30a8a80: Combine Wiglaf and Donald 10(2 minutes ago, 30 files, 37+ 271-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/30a8a80f0976 22:59:40 uh, it's wigald? 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:00:32 -!- Ayey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:01:43 wiglad 23:03:08 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:04:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:06 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:12 -!- Tickenest has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:09:02 CanOfWorms: do you have any tile projects a-brewin'? 23:09:24 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:09 just drafting some ideas for dis 23:12:04 PleasingFungus: fair enough answer 23:12:10 re: non-speed 10 ancestors 23:12:57 this is something i consdered some months ago! 23:13:05 i tried to implement it, but it turned out... 23:13:05 ah-ha! 23:14:12 I'm going to do something so utterly and completely radical that it will change the dcss universe forever...I'm going to tweak my console blue colors! 23:14:41 whoa 23:14:46 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:15:09 wow 23:15:11 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest83672 23:19:36 -!- Guest83672 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:20:58 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:22:24 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:26:11 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:27:24 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:27:49 -!- grammus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:28:33 <|amethyst> so, Vehumet spell weighting 23:29:13 <|amethyst> is there any good reason the weight should take into account elemental schools but not other schools like Poison, Hexes, or for that matter Conj? 23:29:43 -!- grammus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:30:01 how many hex spells can he even gift? fprism and dspray? 23:30:09 is there anything else i'm missing? 23:30:41 did we ever get rid of antitraining in veh spell weighting 23:30:41 <|amethyst> inner flame 23:30:41 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:30:47 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah 23:30:54 !tell minmay lol 23:30:55 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let minmay know. 23:30:57 oh right 23:30:59 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I'm pretty sure antitraining is why it is the way it is 23:31:07 -!- wheals__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:12 <|amethyst> hm 23:31:21 <|amethyst> is Yara's on the veh list? 23:31:42 <|amethyst> looks like no 23:31:49 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: should Yara's be on Vehumet's list? 23:32:01 v0v 23:32:03 could 23:38:13 ohh, that's why dpeg was talking about 8-free-tile staircases 23:38:16 a gdd thread 23:40:22 <|amethyst> summon lightning spire seems vaguely Veh-ish as well, but I guess that is a slippery slope 23:42:08 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 23:42:09 The build passed. (donlaf - 30a8a80 #6159 : regret-index): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/143650819 23:42:09 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 23:42:29 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-957-gf4ea323: Let it end in unravelling! 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f4ea323c6403 23:43:33 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47:44 yeah veh specifically lost support for damaging summons spells when he was reworked to help focus veh's theme 23:48:15 "damaging summon spells" 23:48:20 spellforged being a spell that was deliberately designed to be a conj/damaging spell crossover with summons, and I think that has special AI to help players continue blasting 23:50:03 well there are non-damaging summons spells, but I used that word more in the sense of "veh supports damaging spells" 23:50:08 and that used to include summons 23:51:19 <|amethyst> I don't know, because of the lack of movement, SLS feels more like a "destructive" spell than a "summon" spell 23:51:38 is veh on the docket to get some love 23:51:50 well you could argue spire is a pure air spell I guess? 23:51:53 <|amethyst> at least, I would put it more towards the former than Spellforged, CBL, or Battlesphere 23:51:56 but it doesn't really seem like a conj spell tbh 23:52:06 <|amethyst> I wasn't thinking about changing its schools 23:52:14 I suppose there's an argument for it being conj, if you can summon ball lightnings for instance 23:52:23 but it's air/summons right now 23:52:36 we also have another summons spell that summons a non-living construct 23:52:50 so you'd probably argue that g. golem is really like pure hexes 23:53:07 I don't think summons has to do with "can it move" per se 23:53:28 <|amethyst> right, I don't think either of those should lose the Summons school 23:53:36 <|amethyst> s/ons/onings/ 23:53:58 <|amethyst> Just that veh should support SLS despite it being a summon, because it's a blasty turret 23:54:28 well if he does, he should probably support g. golem as well; it's a blasty robot 23:54:33 <|amethyst> ? 23:54:37 <|amethyst> oh, the inner flame thing 23:54:55 <|amethyst> I think of g. golem as a healing robot 23:55:01 I'm not sure really, but the decisive move away from summons was a gameplay thing more than anything 23:55:03 <|amethyst> s/healing/protective/ 23:55:26 <|amethyst> hm 23:55:29 <|amethyst> solution: 23:55:41 <|amethyst> make Battlesphere immobile 23:55:51 <|amethyst> now it's a Vehumet-supported turret 23:55:58 <|amethyst> and SLS can stay unsupported :) 23:56:28 |amethyst: you could also just make a summoning/conj spell that made some kind of fixed thing 23:56:35 and let veh support that, like he does spellforged 23:56:46 I don't know, these things get a bit tricky where to draw the line 23:56:57 <|amethyst> gammafunk: not sure how to distinguish it from SLS though 23:57:09 <|amethyst> gammafunk: if it's explosive, then it's pretty close to prism 23:57:41 |amethyst: For instance, I personally think of SLS as more of a summon spell than a blasty spell, because you have have to be very aware of positioning of yourself and your other allies (which you're fairly likely to have, since you probably have summoning trained) 23:58:03 <|amethyst> gammafunk: isn't that just as true for Fulminant Prism? 23:58:13 it is a bit true for that spell, yes 23:58:20 but battlesphere, by contrast 23:58:26 is specifically designed to mitigate positioning 23:58:32 *positining limitations 23:58:51 <|amethyst> (FR: let battlesphere shoot through the player, as well) 23:58:52 it frees up positioning limits, but yeah fulm does have pretty significant constraints 23:59:17 battlesphere should just become like that orb in that one B horror movie if it can't hit something 23:59:20 Phantasm? 23:59:32 little spikes come out, it flies into the monsters mouth 23:59:51 <|amethyst> speaking of orbs, we need: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_(The_Prisoner)