00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:32 pf: will you be wearing a koboldina(tm) shirt at your talk 00:05:47 unlikely 00:05:50 rip 00:05:51 i'm thinking bow tie and suspenders. 00:06:03 shirtless bow tie and suspenders? 00:06:05 daring 00:06:30 no point going to the gym if you don't get to share them abs right? 00:07:24 http://i.imgur.com/6FQmz3n.png here's a selfie i took the other day 00:07:38 ps i'm so glad that someone decided "yes, this photo needs to exist" 00:08:20 welcome to the wonderful world of stock images 00:08:24 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:08:33 where for some reason, imagery of suicide exist 00:08:53 they've cornered the market on, uh 00:09:09 photos of cyborg women with corn 00:09:51 and pictures of harold 00:10:28 does harold have a shirt 00:10:30 -!- home has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:11:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:15:28 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:31 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:11 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:20:28 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [] 00:20:45 hey 00:20:48 hrm 00:20:51 !source options_guide 00:20:52 Can't find options_guide. 00:21:18 -!- Dracunos72 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:22:49 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:24:50 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:03 !bug 10530 00:25:03 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10530 00:25:09 ^ good 'bug', imo 00:27:19 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:30:04 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-805-g0a78ef0 (34) 00:30:40 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:34:02 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:34:33 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:36:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:38:23 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:48:35 -!- marsharpe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:49:12 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 00:49:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:51:58 excellent bug 00:52:49 <|amethyst> %git :/Skybugg 00:52:50 07|amethyst02 * 0.11-a0-2947-g3588bfa: Don't treat "Skybugg" and "Foobola" as buggy. 10(3 years, 11 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3588bfac9baa 00:53:42 foobola 00:54:23 illegal fixed arts? 00:57:20 A buggy Lord of Pandemonium comes into view. 00:57:43 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:50 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:42 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:09:34 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:10:13 -!- Nomi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:12:20 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 01:12:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:18:46 bolas 01:19:54 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-805-g0a78ef0 (34) 01:20:13 things that crash jorgrun rocks sessions: holding tab at merging green slimes 01:20:47 New delay code did not properly interrupt when attacked by invisible creature during rest 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10531 by llahwehttam 01:20:52 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:29:16 Gate88's ghost screams, "Zot be a meth, tha ORB be a f'ble, ye'll soon be a tale!" 01:29:25 zot = meth 01:36:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:39:43 -!- Stark_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:52:10 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:52:36 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:53:46 !lg llahwehttam 01:53:47 No games for llahwehttam. 01:55:44 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-805-g0a78ef0 01:56:02 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:36 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:11:04 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:18:34 ProzacElf: Don't do drugs...wait you're a bad person to tell that to 02:19:45 -!- VoxSomniator_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:19:47 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:46 is there a new hep tile? 02:21:54 altar? 02:21:55 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:57 I assume that's hep 02:21:58 yeah 02:22:02 looks cool whatever it is 02:22:11 ?? 02:22:12 maybe it's old 02:22:13 wormcan was working on one but hasn't made it, afaik 02:22:19 hrm... 02:22:24 specifically was working on an animated versions 02:22:25 what the fuck am I even looking at then 02:22:26 where the clouds move around 02:22:34 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:22:37 ok so this is probably not that new 02:22:40 idk. what are you looking at? 02:23:00 mekire 02:23:07 what's a mekire 02:23:10 it has to be hep, just hadn't seen it before 02:26:26 -!- eb has quit [] 02:28:26 pfff 02:28:29 "don't do drugs" 02:29:50 ProzacElf: uh, hep is natural and used to make all sorts of textiles and other useful products 02:30:05 haha 02:30:37 "there are over 1,200 uses for hep and hep-based products!" 02:31:45 Hep worshipers are useless parasites on dungeon society 02:31:54 they should be locked up in the vaults 02:32:14 I'm voting Gozag in 2016 because he means what he says 02:34:35 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:34:39 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:36:28 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:37:57 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:32 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:42:20 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:38 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:50:21 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 02:53:51 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-805-g0a78ef0 02:57:14 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:59:33 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:59:39 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:04:42 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 03:07:54 Is there any way to turn off eating warning interruption? 03:08:57 I tried interrupt_eat = false, but got "Warning: Delay interrupt name "false" not recognised." 03:10:26 got it, nvm 03:12:49 this "scroll of tempering" thread might be peak tavern 03:14:13 ? 03:14:16 -!- Mindiell has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:14:39 -!- grisha5 has quit [Client Quit] 03:15:05 -!- Mindiell has joined ##crawl-dev 03:15:59 http://pastebin.com/3qCgZ0e6 i should do something with this document at some point 03:16:12 ProzacElf: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=20467 03:17:54 oh, how fun 03:17:57 and dumb 03:19:03 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:19:54 PF: FWIW I'd love to see each weapon type limited to vorpal + 2 ish other possible brands unique to that weapon type. 03:20:34 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:21:27 (By weapon type, I mean each weapon base type would have it's own list of 2ish brands it could possibly spawn with) 03:21:36 i got you 03:22:01 last time this came up (a year ago), chequers just wanted to have the same chance for all weapon types, and also to buff venom/prot 03:22:15 and then i think that was the end of the conversation 03:22:30 "while it would be nice to differentiate weapon types this probably isn't the way to do it" 03:22:31 Well, that adds clarity, but my suggestion adds dimension to weapon choice 03:22:42 Sure 03:22:53 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-805-g0a78ef0 (34) 03:23:16 my feeling is that axes, polearms, sbl, even staves are more or less reasonably differentiated 03:23:27 and having a different set for each is much more complexity 03:24:04 Oh, no I meant per weapon base type, like a dire flail would have a different set of choices than a great mace. 03:24:11 wow 03:24:19 so we'd have like 60 different brands? 03:24:22 No 03:24:29 They'd use the same set of brands 03:24:35 dire flail of derision 03:24:38 you need to back up and start again 03:24:42 i am totally lost here 03:25:02 So like dire flail might have protection and venom, and a great mace might have protection and fire, and a demon whip might have fire and cold etc. etc. 03:25:09 PleasingFungus: Siegurt is suggesting that dflail could have, say, vorpal or flaming or freezing, while gmace could have gmace or speed or disto 03:25:29 i got that 03:25:31 but he said 03:25:34 ""PF: FWIW I'd love to see each weapon type limited to vorpal + 2 ish other possible brands unique to that weapon type. " 03:25:49 so if we have 2 brands unique to each weapon type... 03:25:55 the set of n+2 is unique 03:25:57 Sorry, I meant the combination was unique, not the brand 03:25:58 not each brand is unique 03:26:11 Yes 03:26:13 What he said 03:26:16 that seems like a weird gimmick 03:26:23 i don't really see a lot of value in this suggestion but it does seem clearly explained 03:26:54 Well, if you were shooting for a particular brand you might want to look at a lower-tier weapon. 03:27:01 well the weapons have different weights for brands 03:27:03 er 03:27:10 that seems like it doesn't really fit with crawl's mechanics 03:27:19 like, brand choice is not enough to downgrade your weapon 03:27:38 almost always (except with low skill elec brand type situations) 03:27:43 PleasingFungus: you've clearly never seen anyone go to zot with a +5 vamp hand axe 03:27:50 i have not. 03:27:57 lucky you 03:28:06 And a dire flail isn't much of a downgrade from a great mace. 03:28:07 why would anyone do that? 03:28:16 Nor is a demon whip 03:28:16 vamp is OP, ProzacElf, didn't you know 03:28:16 i love vamp, but wow 03:28:17 also: if this is going to be meaningful, if it's going to have an impact on players' decisionmaking, then it has to be something they can (a) notice and (b) remember. who's going to memorize the brand distributions for every weapon type? 03:28:22 -!- sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:28:58 Well, I doubt they'd care except for the top 2-3 weapons for each category 03:29:03 Which is 15ish. 03:29:21 i'd honestly rather just see every brand be available for every weapon type 03:29:22 And *I* would memorize 30 bits of information in a heartbeat, but maybe that's just me. 03:29:28 with distributions altered accordingly 03:29:37 maybe keep the restrictions on speed 03:30:27 Siegurt: so why are you varying the distributions for lower weapon types, if you don't expect anyone to care? 03:30:46 also, the goal of this mechanic is apparently now to encourage people not to use top-tier weapons? 03:30:56 why do we want a mechanic that does that? 03:31:01 Mostly for consistency, also new players don't get to top tier weapons. 03:31:05 we already have both rarity & skill requirements going against them. 03:31:37 "hey, i can't count on finding a triple sword anyway, but at least i'll know it won't have the brand i want!" 03:31:41 Well, I'm wondering if we could have more of a variety of 'top tier' where it's more situational rather than just "did the RNG spawn one if these" 03:31:51 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:32:06 If it's not a useful differentiator, then it's not :) 03:33:01 there are already a lot of dimensions of what counts as 'top tier' in a given game: what are your skills? are there artefacts involved? what are the brands? 03:33:14 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:37 a 'top tier' weapon is more likely to be the best weapon available when it spawns, for a character who has sufficient skill, but it's already not guaranteed. 03:33:49 oh, 'do you use shields', ofc 03:33:49 it would be nice to make the weapon types a bit more distinctive if possible 03:34:01 yes, which was one of the original goals here 03:34:44 long blades and maces are a bit similar 03:34:52 except that maces are more common 03:35:16 all the other weapon types have something unique about them 03:35:20 zxc: http://pastebin.com/3qCgZ0e6 this is where the conversation started 03:35:22 imo read it and come back 03:35:25 Right, and if possible brand spawning type isn't a way to make weapons more distinctive, then it probably shouldn't be a thing at all (just give all brands to all weapon types) but if it *is* a way to make weapons more distinctive, I'd rather it go further down that path. 03:36:10 And I'd like weapons within the same class to be more distinct from each-other, personally 03:36:13 does giving separate unique brand lists to each individual weapon type actually make weapon classes more distinctive, though? 03:36:24 Well, that's the question, I suppose. 03:36:26 or does it just turn it all into a weird sea of noise? 03:36:27 PleasingFungus: that seems reasonable 03:37:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:37:44 Alright, well, let's start at one extreme, and work backwards, would it make weapons distinct in a meaningful way, if each base class of weapon could get one and only one possible brand? 03:38:41 (And is that sort of weapon distinctiveness a good thing?) 03:38:44 zxc: devil's advocate: is it good to differentiate weapon classes through spawning rules that the player can't observe directly, rather than directly through stats or other clearly observable traits? also, is it a good thing to try to preserve 'bad' and 'good' brands, rather than making them situational but similar in overall power? 03:39:11 Siegurt: does base class mean 'axe' or 'hand axe' 03:39:19 are any of the brands actually 'bad'? 03:39:20 I meant 'hand axe' 03:39:30 ProzacElf: venom & prot are the two that usually come up 03:39:44 prot has problems 03:39:50 chaos on melee weapons is quite bad in many places 03:39:57 but venom is perfectly useful for a 3 rune game 03:40:18 chaos can be bad 03:40:26 i hear it can turn monsters invis 03:40:28 how fucked up is that? 03:40:30 it particularly can be bad early 03:40:33 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:40:47 Siegurt: that'd certainly make the individual weapons more distinct, but i honestly think that individual weapons don't need to be more distinct than they are 03:40:53 PleasingFungus: well the brand of a weapon is usually observable, and you can make the brand weights such that it will become obvious after a while that some brands are closely associated with some weapons 03:41:10 PleasingFungus: I don't know if that is better than having balanced weights for all weapons, though 03:41:16 sure 03:41:19 that is somewhat true to an extent 03:41:27 I doubt that would do much to distinguish weapons 03:41:35 possibly either is better than the status quo 03:41:50 because all brands currently in the game fall into one of 5 categories 03:41:55 making it balanced is less of a drastic change 03:42:00 damage, distortion, chaos, protection, damage 03:42:23 and chaos is mostly damage 03:43:04 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:43:06 crawl has had different brand rolls for different weapons since forever and IME most players don't even notice 03:43:31 that's because the tables are fucking insane 03:43:52 but in general yeah you have to be very blunt with this sort of random distribution if you want people to actually notice patterns 03:44:03 yes, and also it gets further screwed by monsters and vaults 03:44:03 totally 03:44:26 i bet you can find people who think scimitars have an extra-high chance of flaming, or maybe lbl generally 03:44:34 which is sort of true, in a sense! 03:44:37 well, they do 03:44:38 yes 03:44:46 special weapons for uniques is cool 03:45:07 sure 03:45:10 Every time I see Erica I'm like "Yay! hydra slayer" 03:45:22 hey now, i'm not saying getting screwed is bad 03:45:29 like, personally i don't like screwing but most people do 03:45:33 lol 03:45:37 and more power to them 03:45:54 but it makes the current brand distributions even more impossible to notice, unspoiled 03:46:02 i think the only one i really noticed was m&f getting prot all the time 03:46:06 literally. they have way more power. help us 03:46:39 since it has like a 30% chance of showing up on m&f and a third or less for everything else 03:47:16 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:49:19 well, you can pretty readily notice that the vast majority of m&f can't get elec also 03:49:25 at least not naturally 03:49:33 so many elec whips though 03:49:41 yes 03:49:59 doesn't that date back to some weird thing about how whips do 'slashing' damage 03:50:00 ? 03:50:17 wouldn't be surprised 03:50:27 it's a cute niche mechanically, since elec whips are strong 03:51:11 sure 03:51:19 definitely a lot of weird quirks in brand distribution, though. spears can't get prot, eveningstars have double odds for draining 03:51:31 i use elec whips a lot even when m&f is suboptimal for the guy i'm using 03:51:39 since they require almost no skill anyway 03:51:57 sure 03:52:02 anyway 03:52:05 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 03:52:12 what is up with these new "keep eating" prompts that show up for no apparent reason? 03:52:55 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:53:09 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:42 ProzacElf: I think there was a commit that messed with prompts for eating and wearing/removing armour 04:03:50 oh 04:03:50 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 04:03:51 fun 04:04:12 i love getting interrupted and then trying to figure out what the hell it happened 04:04:13 %git 04:04:13 07wheals02 * 0.19-a0-805-g0a78ef0: Make the eating interruption code the same as armour-wearing. 10(10 hours ago, 2 files, 10+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0a78ef09d239 04:04:32 oh. looks like it's the most recent commit 04:04:53 haha 04:05:11 i don't think anything would have interrupted putting on armor in those cases either? 04:05:15 unless it was some xom action 04:05:18 or maybe i was poisoned 04:05:23 -!- Smello has quit [Quit: Bye!] 04:05:27 oh sweet. rF centaur barding in this shop 04:11:28 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:11:36 How to remove yesno on eating when player is poisoned? 04:13:00 nvm, it looks like I have to leave right part of "interrupt_eat = " entirely blank 04:14:57 apparently i also get the interrupt going from near starving to starving 04:15:51 While eating? 04:16:10 this extra annoyance for eating is part 1 of a stealth Remove Food initiative 04:16:25 I think in earlier versions one cannot get his satiation lowered when bus consuming food. 04:16:40 hah 04:16:55 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 04:17:15 yeah, while eating 04:17:43 haha 04:21:33 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:36:35 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 04:38:21 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:39:18 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:43:25 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:58:44 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:07:02 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 05:08:12 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:09:43 -!- Naruni has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:16:34 -!- nithck has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:34:24 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:35:34 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:36:49 -!- Leszczynek has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 05:37:54 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:41:08 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:41:17 -!- Nasst has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:42:40 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:50:26 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:50:44 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:09:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:11:20 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:50 -!- ByteStorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:19:28 -!- ByteStorm has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:20:34 -!- ByteStorm has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:21:39 -!- ByteStorm has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:22:44 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:22:44 -!- ByteStorm has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:38:45 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:40:33 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:50:51 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:54:01 !watch fanggot 06:54:01 Watch fanggot at: http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-fanggot 06:55:16 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:59:47 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:08:47 Cannot ignore item on floor 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10532 by mopl 07:16:48 -!- ByteStorm is now known as MaBunny 07:31:02 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:38:02 -!- MaBunny has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:48:41 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:38 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:03:43 -!- MaBunny has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:05:35 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:04 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:13:26 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 08:15:45 Uh, pressing [N] in response to 'Could not pick up an item here; shall I ignore it?' doesn't seem to work in trunk 08:20:09 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:00 oh, same here kryft. I assumed it was user error (macro or rcfile or something) 08:21:03 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:21:32 -!- doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:23:39 I also get weird "keep eating?" confirmations when I'm waiting 08:23:47 (As in pressing 5) 08:28:34 -!- andre is now known as Guest15745 08:32:39 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:11 -!- Rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:34 -!- Rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:39:23 -!- sooheon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:40:15 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:41:02 since the problem is obviously not important enough for anyone to make a save backup, no real point fixing it 08:49:26 wheals: Sorry, I'll try to make one when I encounter the issue again 08:51:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:53:08 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03:54 -!- MaBunny has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:08:30 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:08:53 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:10:39 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:13:06 -!- sooheon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:22 FR: "Really fire in your fire vortex's direction?" <- This should go. 09:25:48 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:29:40 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:34 -!- Rast-- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:30:55 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:31:03 it seems like the eat delay is getting interrupted by messages 09:31:15 i can't figure out why though 09:33:55 wheals: Could it be somehow related to the recent rotting chunk eating fix? 09:35:36 hmmm i think i see it 09:36:05 rest gets interrupted by message, which in turn causes the eat delay to get interrupted 09:37:06 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:37:25 -!- glosham has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:39:06 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:40:38 basically the runrest delays are not designed to have an interruptible delay on top of them :( 09:46:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:52:45 -!- maxonian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:54:46 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:59:18 -!- olscumpy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:32 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 10:07:03 -!- Mekire has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:11:59 no need for a save btw 10:31:20 03wheals02 07* 0.19-a0-806-g24cba5a: Hopefully fix the autoeat interruptions. 10(22 minutes ago, 4 files, 14+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/24cba5a6556a 10:31:20 03wheals02 07* 0.19-a0-807-g7e871c9: Simplify the code a little, now that BaseRunDelay doesn't have to pop first. 10(26 seconds ago, 2 files, 41+ 50-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7e871c9f85e6 10:32:33 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:38:05 -!- MaBunny has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:04 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:16 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:41:53 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:51:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:55:56 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:22 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:23 think i tracked down the bug, thank you gdb 11:01:23 #10532 that is 11:08:26 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:47 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-807-g7e871c9 (34) 11:08:51 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:09:06 -!- Lasty_1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:50 -!- MaBunny has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:15:00 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:16:25 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:26 The build has errored. (master - 7e871c9 #6043 : Shmuale Mark): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/140549007 11:16:26 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 11:19:33 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:48 -!- MaBunny has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:27:09 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:29:30 03wheals02 07* 0.19-a0-808-ga8a5f73: TravelDelay is not stair travel (#10532). 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a8a5f7339708 11:29:57 -!- MaBunny has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:31:10 -!- MaBunny has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:34:54 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:36 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:41:03 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:50:02 Autopickup prompt glitch w/ full inventory 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10533 by amaril 11:54:45 my god 11:55:46 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:22 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:30 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:19 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:04:41 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 12:04:42 i couldn't repro 10531 12:07:58 linking a debug executable still takes several minutes for me 12:08:41 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-808-ga8a5f73 (34) 12:10:21 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:42 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:10:54 03wheals02 07* 0.19-a0-809-g2f88ffd: Bring back display of future gold in the shop menu (#10373). 10(20 seconds ago, 1 file, 32+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2f88ffd54443 12:15:36 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:20:26 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:20:49 -!- ystael_ is now known as ystael 12:23:05 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:34 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:34 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:31:43 !log wafflepants killer="invisible horror" 12:31:44 No games for wafflepants (killer='invisible horror'). 12:32:09 oh right 12:32:11 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:32:13 !log wafflepants killer="unseen horror" 12:32:14 23. wafflepants, XL11 HEAE, T:10307: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/wafflepants/morgue-wafflepants-20160626-230117.txt 12:32:33 -!- jerkstore has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:33:10 &rc wafflepants 12:33:12 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/wafflepants.rc 12:34:36 that's a different one 12:34:45 ? 12:34:59 they're moving in that log before they die 12:35:06 You see here a yak corpse. 12:35:06 Something hits you. 12:35:06 * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * 12:35:06 Something hits you. 12:35:06 You die... 12:35:07 Save macros? 12:35:16 <3 sequell 12:35:22 !log wafflepants killer="unseen horror" -2 12:35:23 22/23. wafflepants, XL11 HEAE, T:16392: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/wafflepants/morgue-wafflepants-20160611-231141.txt 12:35:34 they claimed the death in question was yesterday 12:35:39 so i'm pretty sure it's that one 12:35:45 i wonder if it's a run delay 12:36:15 ??lg 12:36:15 listgame[1/5]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md 12:36:39 !tv wafflepants killer=unseen_horror 12:36:41 23. wafflepants, XL11 HEAE, T:10307 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:36:55 ah, was gonna adjust playback speed 12:37:19 hrm 12:37:23 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:28 !lg wafflepants killer="unseen horror" -tv<0.2:0.1 12:37:29 Broken query near '<0.2:0.1' 12:37:34 !lg wafflepants killer="unseen horror" -tv:0.1<0.2 12:37:35 Unrecognised TV option: 0.1<0.2 12:37:50 !lg wafflepants killer="unseen horror" -tv:x0.1<0.2 12:37:52 you need a : between -tv arguments 12:37:52 23. wafflepants, XL11 HEAE, T:10307 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:37:55 yeah 12:38:02 the missing x was the problem 12:38:08 oh 12:38:17 never mind........ 12:38:25 !nuke 12:38:27 !lg wafflepants killer="unseen horror" -tv:x0.1<0.1 12:38:27 FooTV playlist clear requested by *. 12:38:28 23. wafflepants, XL11 HEAE, T:10307 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:38:33 requested by *, huh 12:38:43 !nuke 12:38:45 FooTV playlist clear requested by *. 12:38:49 !lg wafflepants killer="unseen horror" -tv:x0.1:<0.1 12:38:50 23. wafflepants, XL11 HEAE, T:10307 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:39:00 yeah, i needed the colon too 12:39:11 man that's a weird death 12:39:11 that tv doesn't make much sense 12:39:19 !lg wafflepants killer="unseen horror" -tv:x0.1:<0.2 12:39:20 23. wafflepants, XL11 HEAE, T:10307 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:40:03 did you see that door-open message? 12:40:07 how did he see a yak there?? 12:40:08 yeah 12:40:29 !lg wafflepants killer="unseen horror" -tv:x0.1:<0.2 12:40:30 23. wafflepants, XL11 HEAE, T:10307 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:40:51 -!- somebody has quit [] 12:41:41 that tv does look consistent with being hit by unseen horror during autoexplore and not being interrupted 12:42:56 !lg wafflepants killer="unseen horror" x=src 12:42:58 23. [src=cao] wafflepants the Thaumaturge (L11 HEAE of Vehumet), slain by an unseen horror on D:10 on 2016-06-26 23:01:17, with 8673 points after 10307 turns and 0:26:53. 12:43:04 &rc wafflepants 12:43:06 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/wafflepants.rc 12:43:29 yeah, i wonder if they were just wrong about resting 12:43:50 PleasingFungus: what did they actually say? 12:43:55 oh, trivial to reproduce 12:44:00 yeah it's definitely autoexplore 12:44:11 !bug 10531 12:44:11 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10531 12:44:34 elliptic: ^ 12:44:48 yeah, I guess they just misremembered about autoexplore vs rest 12:45:32 i couldn't reproduce it even with autoexplore 12:45:52 oh, really? want me to give you a save? 12:46:01 sure 12:46:52 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4070358/chikinn.cs just hitting 'o' should be enough 12:47:03 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:22 it hits me, and then my explore gets interrupted 12:50:34 you on the latest version? maybe i accidentally fixed it? 12:50:57 or possibly make debug is an issue 12:56:38 lemme rebuild 12:57:55 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:56 The build passed. (master - 2f88ffd #6045 : Shmuale Mark): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/140575051 12:57:56 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 13:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:20 yeah, looks like rebuilding fixes it 13:01:43 any idea what commit it was? 13:04:03 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:04:17 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:04:46 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 13:06:18 i bet it was https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a8a5f7339708 13:06:25 thought it might have been https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/24cba5a6556a 13:06:31 yeah 13:06:42 former seems most likely 13:07:04 under that bug travel/autoexplore was essentially uninterruptible 13:07:17 surprised we didn't get more complaints really 13:08:42 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-809-g2f88ffd (34) 13:15:22 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:31 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-809-g2f88ffd (34) 13:24:44 -!- introsp3ctive is now known as introsp3ctive\St 13:25:00 -!- introsp3ctive\St is now known as introsp3ctive 13:25:17 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:30:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:31:04 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:57 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:41:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:44:35 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:49:02 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:52:35 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:39 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:42 New branch created: simplebrands (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/simplebrands 14:01:42 03PleasingFungus02 07[simplebrands] * 0.19-a0-810-gb5554f9: Simplify brand weights 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 98+ 217-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b5554f919418 14:01:52 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:53 -!- Telnaior has quit [Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit:] 14:06:58 i wonder about maybe making it by weapon skill (which it mostly is admittedly) 14:07:52 i was considering that, but i couldn't think of any really good way to differentiate the tables 14:08:13 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08:47 feel like it's fun to have these distinctions even if they're minor 14:09:00 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:09:14 eh 14:09:21 maybe all in my head :) 14:09:31 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:09:57 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:13:31 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:52 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:05 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:24:43 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:19 !seen bh 14:27:19 I last saw bh at Fri Jun 24 00:16:10 2016 UTC (3d 18h 11m 3s ago) acting out bh blames dpeg_ on ##crawl-dev. 14:27:23 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:27:24 !seen bh_ 14:27:24 I last saw bh_ at Thu Apr 21 17:12:24 2016 UTC (9w 4d 1h 15m ago) joining the channel. 14:30:03 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:17 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:35:58 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:36:24 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:26 PleasingFungus: -1 for simplebrands 14:37:23 I wouldn't mind simplifying things to some extent (e.g. just making it be by weapon skill as wheals suggested) 14:37:35 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:51 but mashing everything together loses a lot of things that make a significant difference and that players do notice 14:37:58 like what? 14:38:45 e.g. that short blades and lajatangs get speed and other weapons don't, or that maces get much more protection but don't get vamp 14:39:30 i've certainly never noticed that maces don't get vamp 14:39:42 not my fault if you aren't paying attention! 14:39:59 in general i think it's very hard to notice which brands *don't* appear on a weapon class, especially when the brands in question are fairly uncommon anyway 14:40:29 anyway there's a reason why we took speed brand away from most weapons 14:40:52 and I don't see much appeal to the simplebrands branch adding them back in and messing with balance all around 14:41:05 was that before or after speed was nerfed? 14:41:28 before, but speed is still very good 14:41:57 glaives of speed live on in our hearts 14:43:20 hrm. and weight 1 speed is too much. 14:43:40 could make it weight 0. 14:44:05 PleasingFungus: and what about short blades or lajatangs of speed? is there a reason why we are removing them? 14:44:14 I'd like to hear the motivation for these changes 14:44:39 since it just looks like randomly messing with weapon skill balance for no point 14:44:54 The old system was extremely opaque to players and contributed little. The goal for differentiating weapons should be to encourage fun decisions, but players can't make decisions about systems they can barely perceive! 14:45:31 what about balance 14:45:35 -!- elliptic has left ##crawl-dev 14:46:01 hard to respond. 14:47:18 if he reads the logs: i would say that we have many knobs to tweak balance with (e.g. weapon damage, skill apts), most of which lend themselves much better to player decisionmaking. 14:48:33 I'll admit that elliptic is a better player than me but it seems like a stretch to claim that weapon skills are currently balanced 14:48:56 also i'd miss lajs of speed but idk that sbls of speed are really very exciting at all 14:49:06 that's more of a tangent tho 14:49:23 that said this is a fairly significant nerf to sbl, staves, and long blades 14:49:30 also whips 14:49:34 which happen to be the weapon classes that are already a little weaker 14:50:09 yeah, like i said in the commit, it might make sense to poke at weapon damage a bit 14:50:27 it's definitely shaking things up but i think the end result should be a better place for crawl 14:51:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:51:58 I don't think he was making a claim that weapon skills are balanced, but rather that the balance is made worse 14:52:12 "move fast and break things" -- qazlal, to chei, probably 14:52:57 gammafunk: yeah, i did comment to that effect in the commit. how much base damage do you think the current brand distribution is worth? 14:53:40 sure, but "messing with weapon skill balance" can go either way 14:53:42 it's a fun question, since it's not exactly apples to apples, esp. once other sources of brands (artefacts, scrolls, gods) get involved 14:54:34 well I'm no expert on the weapon balance, I guess you'd have to reason from simply the damage increase given by the brand but 14:54:41 there are maybe a lot of numbers to tweak 14:56:05 right now you have stuff like, e.g. lbl have a higher chance of having brands at all, except that's much less pronounced for good_items 14:56:06