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In 0.14-, had Confusing Touch instead of Corona. 01:03:13 so why are corona and summon small mammals in it 01:03:15 hrm 01:03:21 spammals obviously for a shitty butterflies thing 01:03:22 s/mammals/mammal 01:03:30 yes, spammals replaced butterflies 01:03:30 corona for... anti-invisible-monster utility. 01:03:36 and corona replaced confusing touch 01:03:52 detect secret doors was useful all game I guess 01:03:57 oh, right, that's why i felt like the book was endangered 01:04:10 rename it to book of theseus 01:04:14 heh 01:04:59 even an L1 confusing touch wouldn't be that great a fit, since it's no longer stupidly good 01:05:04 it might actually be a more interesting book with say spammal/append/corona/mdart 01:05:20 'book of intro to various magic schools'? 01:05:22 yeah 01:05:43 idk how many characters would be excited about finding that 01:05:45 which is why I suggest mdart and appendage, they have different schools than the existing spells in it 01:05:46 possibly none 01:06:06 hell, you don't even have spores to pop with mdart these days 01:06:13 for when you find an early book that you want to use but can't get started sensbily on 01:06:14 I know, add the dig spell to it 01:06:16 appendage is strong for quite a while for some chars 01:06:18 then you can call it.... 01:06:20 !glasses 01:06:20 ( •_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) 01:06:21 can't say any of the others are, though 01:06:25 ...The Book of Miner Magic 01:06:34 but like, right now it's the book of animate skeleton 01:06:35 so 01:06:56 book of minor magic: can only be read by characters under XL18 01:07:27 {lowlevel} 01:07:28 'actual' cantrips: animate skel, apport, sputterflies, i think maybe that's it? 01:07:49 -!- Rast-- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:00 maybe appendage. 01:08:01 Freeze could like freeze someones glass of soda 01:08:05 which would be funny at parties 01:08:11 -!- Rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:08:22 cflame would be, if it weren't so big 01:08:59 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:09:13 imps woudl be pretty funny to summon at a party 01:09:16 gammafunk: i'm pretty sure that you could justify nearly any spell in party tricks 01:09:21 think of all the great insults 01:09:40 firestorm would make for a great lightshow! 01:09:47 shatter.... whoa, is the room shaking? crazy... 01:09:54 Pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18.1-48-g4cf74bf (34) 01:09:57 airwalk? 01:10:04 duh! 01:15:26 how is animate skeleton an 'actual' cantrip more than dart or appendage 01:15:58 [22:03] PleasingFungus i feel like the theme of cantrips is 'level 1 spells that are useful beyond the early game' 01:16:07 raising the fucking dead seems like much fancier magic than throwing a pointy thing, or 01:16:08 oh 01:16:28 i am not sure where i got that definition of 'cantrip', honestly 01:16:33 i don't think i came up with it 01:19:21 If it's really a book of cantrips it should should have a Summon Banana Peel 01:19:26 then you can really trip 01:19:44 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-749-g66ae36b (34) 01:19:46 very powerful in IVAN 01:20:10 crawl could implement cloud intensity 01:22:32 that seems hard to display in console 01:22:54 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:16 flicker it at varying speed, or convince the client to change its colour for that space somehow 01:23:22 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:24:27 is console actually built to support that kind of animation? and there are only 16 colours... 01:25:59 -!- halfwit_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:27:49 no, and I mean things like telling my putty to change red to 0x880000 for flame at 0x88/FF power 01:28:10 03PleasingFungus02 07[taunt] * 0.19-a0-750-ga40bcaa: Knight ability: Taunt 10(3 days ago, 11 files, 111+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a40bcaa97b86 01:28:54 continuing to steal things from tome4, i see! 01:29:08 what makes the speed upgrade horrible? 01:29:12 intensely boring 01:30:43 minmay: do i get to steal from tome4 if i've never played it 01:31:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:31:49 huh, weapon choice moving seems like it gates the whole knight to me 01:32:16 howso? 01:34:03 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:34:26 axe knight vs polearm are interesting and distinct styles, vs meh melee ally which is basically the same as xl1 ancestor 01:35:17 what if the knight got some kind of unique 'taunt' ability? 01:35:22 would that make it feel different? 01:35:47 it would make it feel fiddly 01:36:04 fiddly? 01:37:54 another strange ability to learn and use instead of getting good uses out of existing mechanics 01:38:51 on a related note, swap is probably better without slowing things 01:39:14 design-wise? 01:39:28 and fun wise 01:39:54 I don't find myself caring about the slow and it's strong even like that 01:40:20 "Fun wise"? 01:40:52 yeah, it would be more fun without the slow 01:41:13 Because you don't want to optimize to targetting for max slow? 01:42:23 indeed, or optimize running away from slow things 01:42:39 Hm. 01:42:46 I want to go back to the Taunt thing for a second. 01:43:39 So, my goal is to make an ally that's especially effective at drawing enemies' attacks to itself and protecting the player. What existing mechanics should I be getting good use out of? 01:44:46 swap and cleave do a good job of it! 01:44:57 I expect player positioning and reach can as well 01:44:57 PleasingFungus: yeah, aoe damage 01:45:01 is cleave actually effective for that? 01:45:11 monsters often change targets when they get hit 01:45:15 i'd hoped it would be when i designed it, but it didn't seem to be in practice when i playtested 01:45:18 even if the hit is small 01:45:29 my experience was that 'often' wasn't that often 01:45:57 maybe 01:46:03 -!- Kenran has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 01:46:08 I found it often enough, if it's super reliable then you are getting to be close to ely/zin 01:46:14 sure 01:46:32 well, i still want to get rid of the speed upgrade, but i'll hold off on taunt. 01:46:45 i mean, this is a thing i do on summoners: summon things, run away, let my summons get in hits as i run around until the enemy switches 01:48:17 goal with transfer-slow was to weaken enemies, not to be mostly for slowing enemies while you run away. maybe a different debuff would be better - e.g. heavy draining? 01:48:29 perhaps it's just that Guardian Golem and Maud shouldn't be the same type - there might be room for a super defensive ally 01:48:44 s/maud/donald/ maybe 01:48:48 heh 01:49:12 -!- eb has quit [] 01:49:34 -!- Rast-- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:02 -!- Rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:51:17 another thing i was considering is moving the upgrades slightly earlier, maybe to 14/19/24 instead of 15/21/27 01:51:42 and maybe randomizing the specialization rather than making it a choice 01:51:59 since it seems like i overestimated how much customization was needed for people to buy into their little mans 01:52:06 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:07 The build was broken. (taunt - a40bcaa #5998 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/139949040 01:52:07 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:52:26 drain is definitely more fun than slow, but if the god is too strong I'd hate to have the interesting parts weakened (say by raising piety cost of transference) rather than keeping the simple goodness 01:52:38 which is the specialisation? 01:52:46 weapon or spell choice 01:52:55 e.g. dtrident vs broad axe 01:53:01 -!- noisevoid has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:53:21 hmm 01:53:39 it would make the player adapt to their ancestor a little more, rather than adapting their ancestor to them 01:53:58 also it would encourage removal of 'bad choices', since people would bitch more about them 01:54:01 rather than just ignoring them 01:54:04 removal/balancing 01:54:05 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:54:29 How about injury bond on Knight? Ironheart preservers' spell. 01:54:40 injury bond already exists on an ally 01:54:42 guardian golem 01:54:49 it doesn't affect the player, very intentionally 01:55:10 also the knight's defenses would be counterproductive for injury bond, since injury bond applies damage directly to hp (which the knight doesn't have any more of), rather than through ac/sh 01:55:13 i had considered that! 01:55:44 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-749-g66ae36b 01:57:19 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:57:53 honestly I'd be more tempted to remove specialization than to make it random 01:58:02 but I'm not sure if that's better than choice 01:58:16 why? 01:58:19 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:58:21 er, rather to remove the choice 01:58:46 so you don't feel like it's xom (an overreaction of course) 01:58:53 also, re your comment about mottled dracs & sticky flame from a few weeks ago: being insubstantial just gives monsters rSticky 01:58:53 uh 01:58:58 i don't see the xom thing 01:59:03 is oka xom? 01:59:41 at least with knight and hexer (haven't played battlemage) there's a pretty big difference between the choices 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:10 so I could see feeling like you were ruined by rng 02:00:54 i feel like the comparison here is ds or dr 02:01:08 rng is part of crawl. it adds variety, which is generally considered 'good' 02:01:40 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:02:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:02:14 it generally doesn't hold up an option and then lock you out, though. you're right that Ds is perhaps better 02:02:17 if the choices are too far apart in power (which some of them are at present!), then yeah, you can feel ruined by rng. that's what i was talking about earlier. but ideally they'll just encourage somewhat different playstyles, rather than being really stronger or weaker 02:02:26 hold up an option and then lock you out... 02:02:30 * rchandra has been known to quit monstrous ds 02:02:37 heh 02:02:51 <|amethyst> let the player get a new random choice after abandoning and rejoining 02:04:38 anyway it looks like mottled drac works fine with ancestors 02:04:39 so that's nice 02:05:16 |amethyst: that seems really bad 02:05:35 rchandra: anyway, yeah, removing the options from specialization entirely would also be fine 02:05:38 I guess the difference there is how late the choice is 02:06:10 ds feels like it shapes the character (last mutation doesn't exist of course) 02:06:51 <|amethyst> !lm * verb=ancestor.class s=xl 02:06:52 2360 milestones for * (verb=ancestor.class): 628x 9, 508x 10, 479x 8, 256x 7, 193x 11, 104x 6, 64x 5, 44x 4, 35x 3, 23x 12, 11x 13, 9x 2, 2x 14, 15, 1, 27, 18 02:06:52 whereas late specialisation you've already shaped and are just hoping 02:07:12 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:07:14 yeah, xl 21 or even 19 would be iffy 02:07:17 15/14 not as bad 02:08:47 i feel like the only choice i really like is the axe/trident one 02:09:08 out of any choice? 02:09:18 out of any of the specialization choices that i've given so far 02:09:29 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:09:52 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:09:53 maybe it would be better to remove all specializations and rework knight into a spear class and an ax/shield class 02:09:58 idk what exactly the spear class would do, though 02:10:34 or could just toss the reaching thing. leave that to beoghites, clearly 02:11:27 axe only sounds ok 02:11:43 I'm kind of disappointed that there's no meatbag ancestor 02:11:48 just a giant sack of meat 02:12:09 that one will be the g.golem! 02:12:16 meat golems... 02:12:25 funny thought: toss speed upgrade, replace with minor healing 02:12:33 the amazing self-healing ancestor 02:12:36 maybe major healing, even. 02:13:02 wow, i forgot lom had that 02:13:17 anyway gotta go, send me tells praising my handsomeness and great ideas for when i get back 02:13:20 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 02:14:15 1tell PleasingFungus You are just a sack of meat but that's what we all are 02:14:54 !tell pleasingfungus can you push taunt to master already 02:14:55 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 02:15:00 Stable (0.18) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18.1-48-g4cf74bf 02:15:11 !tell pleasingfungus Your mother was always a hamster, you're pretty sure. 02:15:11 rchandra: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 02:17:49 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:25:46 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:28:15 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:36:38 -!- kgarrison343 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:37:37 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:40:47 -!- kgarrison343 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:45:36 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:54:11 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:54:20 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-749-g66ae36b 02:54:39 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:56:10 -!- flappity has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:10 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:04:09 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:06:27 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:11:53 -!- removeelyvlion has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:18:16 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:19:43 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:22:22 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:23:03 Stable (0.18) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18.1-48-g4cf74bf 03:28:33 -!- Rast-- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:28:39 -!- Rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:58 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-749-g66ae36b (34) 03:37:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:38:41 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:40:32 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:46:06 -!- ldleworker is now known as ldlework 03:46:59 -!- Idolo has quit [] 03:58:10 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:00:01 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:07:21 -!- narc has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:13:25 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:16:07 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 04:16:37 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:18:57 good evening 04:20:21 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:21:25 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:22:26 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:22:57 -!- mopl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:23:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 04:23:41 "Move as many checks for resistances, flags, etc. as possible out of hardcoded areas and into mon-data.h and related files." 04:23:54 can anyone elaborate on that? 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(delayrewrite - 8b42a01 #5999 : Shmuale Mark): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/140038157 10:53:07 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 10:54:47 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:19 hm 10:55:40 !?!? 10:55:57 what's weird is that gcc failed and clang worked, but i use gcc 10:56:05 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:58:56 03wheals02 07[delayrewrite] * 0.19-a0-729-gd232344: Fix compile warnings/failures (travis-ci). 10(37 seconds ago, 1 file, 10+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d23234448a3e 10:59:32 must be an issue with g++ 4.7 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:39 -!- Demise_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:20:34 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:40 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:22:03 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:22:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:23:12 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:33 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:40:02 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:41 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:47:26 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:18 wheals what does delay rewrite mean? 11:48:35 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:48:36 I'm too dumb to figure it out from reading the commits :C 11:49:03 i rewrote delay code to use a bunch of classes that inherit from a Delay class, instead of switches everywhere 11:49:15 upshot is no more .parm1 .parm2 .parm3 11:49:36 ah ok 11:49:40 and hopefully the code is overall better now 11:49:44 -!- deltaromeo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:51:41 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:47 !commit Make Code Better 11:51:48 03johnstein ⛐ 0.19-a0-180-ge066877: Make Code Better 10(in the future, 47 files, 936+ 674-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e066877 11:53:50 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:33 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:31 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:11 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15:53 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:20:05 -!- eb has quit [Client Quit] 12:25:18 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:33 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:29:45 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:17 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Client Quit] 12:35:51 -!- trckry has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:36:09 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:04 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:51 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:50:48 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:53:25 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:00 03wheals02 07* 0.19-a0-750-ga427c98: Remove a doubled message. 10(40 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a427c989a81a 13:04:55 Stable (0.18) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18.1-48-g4cf74bf 13:10:06 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-750-ga427c98 (34) 13:12:30 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:28 wheals: looks like you could make try_interrupt return a boolean indicating whether its caller should call _pop_delay, rather than duplicating that call inside every try_interrupt implementation that uses it 13:15:41 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:16:53 the reason i didn't do that originally was because vampire feed calls stop_delay instead of pop_delay, but i think i can work around that 13:16:54 -!- home has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:04 at least i can now that the code is a little simpler 13:18:07 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:48 oh lol i refactored that away 13:19:36 oh never mind i was thinking of invalidated(), that's still inconsistent... 13:21:15 oh never mind looks like it's problematic for BaseRunDelay :( 13:21:20 hmmm 13:21:45 if it doesn't pop before stop_running() it will probably get into an infinite loop 13:22:37 well you could actually have a separate method for the common case that returns a boolean 13:22:46 and have the default try_interrupt call it 13:23:11 I mean, to me it seems like something worth extracting 13:24:42 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:57 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:32:24 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:04 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:47:10 -!- jeefus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51:33 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:51:39 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:52:17 wheals: why not just make "finish()" a pure virtual method 13:52:17 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 13:52:34 if the default behavior would otherwise be "you finish doing something buggy" 13:53:14 BaseRunDelay (and run, rest, travel) don't implement finish() since they kind of bypass the main system 13:53:29 though they could implement finish() by doing just that 13:53:31 hrm 13:54:03 very good use of qw-testing, btw. i should emulate that 13:55:00 also it's a little funny to me that you used // comments instead of /** doxygen comments */ - even if you didn't do the whole @param thing, i believe that the doxygen style would still end up showing up in generated docs 13:55:07 i should run the doxygen stuff again, see how our coverage is 13:56:44 oh ok 13:57:24 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:58:53 11:37:17 PleasingFungus has a sick doxygen tatoo 13:59:59 hrm, claims that 'make doxygen-lite' is the command, but the makefile doesn't seem to agree 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:58 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:16 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:04:13 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:04:30 -!- zxc_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:57 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:39 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-750-ga427c98 (34) 14:11:04 -!- Vizer has quit [Client Quit] 14:11:24 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:12 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:17:07 03wheals02 07[delayrewrite] * 0.19-a0-730-ga8c62f5: Extract a whole bunch of _pop_delay() calls (Zaba). 10(45 minutes ago, 2 files, 57+ 40-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a8c62f592e1e 14:17:07 03wheals02 07[delayrewrite] * 0.19-a0-731-ge4bf815: Abstract more _pop_delay()s. 10(21 minutes ago, 2 files, 13+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e4bf8154ad8e 14:17:46 oops 14:18:05 03wheals02 07[delayrewrite] * 0.19-a0-732-g6905252: Doxygenate (PleasingFungus). 10(6 seconds ago, 1 file, 58+ 28-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/690525299d0a 14:18:35 awesome 14:22:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:26:10 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:28:24 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:58 i generated the doxygen. 14:32:54 ...huh, looks like doxygen doesn't generate docs for static functions 14:35:07 hahaha, the '#' in the comments on blob_size and mangrove_pests ("# of slimes/masses") is interpreted as markup and turns it into a header 14:35:14 -!- Mekire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:37:03 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:03 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:37:15 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:41:36 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-751-gbe1ce7d: Fix two doxygen comments 10(31 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/be1ce7d28764 14:45:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:21 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:08:37 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-751-gbe1ce7d (34) 15:23:46 -!- Nothus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:26:28 -!- DevlanMud|Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:27:04 If C++ didn't have to support C compatability, would it just not have a struct keyword? 15:28:45 it's vaguely nice to have a constructor defined for you 15:29:15 instead of having to do, like class Foo { Foo(int _a, int _b, float _c) : a(_a), b(_b), c(_c) { } 15:29:22 idk maybe there's a simpler way to do that 15:31:46 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:35 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:01 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:03 FR: remove invis as a chaos effect 15:40:19 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:40:49 surely that's the least 'spoilery' or 'tedious' of invis effects! 15:40:57 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:32 if monster invis is staying in the game then this is one of the most pointless uses of it, you are going to know exactly where the monster is for a long time if you just hit it 15:41:59 and it's still pretty tedious because now you kite the monster for a while to get your EV and accuracy back 15:42:22 fighting with a chaos weapon feels like turning every monster into a sky beast 15:42:56 would you say the same about the 'healing' effect on chaos? i mean, if you heal the monster after both you & it were injured, you just kite it for a while to reset the fight, right? 15:42:59 or might, or 15:43:15 -!- olscumpy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:37 I wouldn't say the same about the healing effect, since that's not really what happens 15:44:12 I would say the same about might, however, might is not a chaos effect, so I don't see why you're bringing it up 15:44:18 Why is healing different? 15:45:11 because it only changes things if I already shouldn't have been fighting the monster, and also it doesn't have an interface screw attached 15:47:24 It sounds like, ignoring the 'interface screw' for a moment, that you're just arguing that invisibility is a more severe effect than the healing. surely you could just decrease the duration of the invis, or increase the magnitude of the heal, in that case? 15:47:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:47:35 if you wanted them to be the same strength, which of course isn't a given 15:47:47 no, I'm not arguing that, jesus christ, my entire point is that the invis is an interface screw 15:48:18 and that it can't possibly accomplish what the interface screw is supposed to accomplish, so even if you like unseen horrors or something, there is no defense for putting it on chaos 15:48:23 I only mentioned the kiting because you said surely that's the least 'spoilery' or 'tedious' of invis effects! 15:48:33 and I believe it is, in fact, tedious 15:48:53 why not argue that it should have the 'known invisible monster location' indicator? 15:49:08 i guess one turn earlier than it would otherwise 15:49:14 it already has that 15:49:26 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:28 the problem is that this still breaks autofight, and goes away when you move 15:49:35 ah, ok. 15:49:44 -!- fufumann has quit [Client Quit] 15:49:52 if the monster getting an EV and accuracy boost is such a wonderful, interesting effect, then replace it with agility 15:50:02 i'm nearly sure that agi doesn't increase accuracy 15:50:07 for monsters 15:50:37 it was just a guess, I don't actually fight agile monsters 15:50:47 it's an uncommon and non-notable effect 15:50:56 EV+5 15:50:58 w/e 15:50:59 so like invis except also uncommon 15:51:11 (it really isn't that uncommon btw) 15:51:38 most notable effect is to ID your potion, but that cost you a potion anyway so almost same as quaff-ID 15:52:02 'monster drinks an agi potion' (uncommon), chaos beam (very uncommon), xom effect (very uncommon) 15:52:04 most notable effect is to punish you for meleeing the orc instead of killing it with mdart/IMB, imo 15:52:16 'monster drinks an agi potion' is unfortunately quite common 15:52:38 whinging 15:53:00 wiging? the wearing of wigs? 15:53:04 -!- Nomi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:12 no, that's fopping 15:53:16 really common? I'd be surprised if it was more than 2 per 3-runer on everage 15:53:25 dammit, I should have paid attention in school 15:53:25 i'd be surprised if it was that high 15:53:48 well xom effects are certainly less common than 2 per 3-runer on average 15:53:59 1 per game is quite common for something like this IMO 15:54:16 that's more than the number of times the Weak status appears in a 15-rune game, for example 15:54:31 hrm, is it? 15:54:49 orange 3 made that more common 15:55:02 yeah, i'd be very surprised by that 15:55:16 more than the number of times the Weak status should appear in a 15-rune game if you know what you're doing, I suppose I should say 15:55:23 farewell. 15:55:27 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 15:55:44 I'm also not sure why "it's uncommon" is an argument against using a status effect in chaos, since chaos has things like clone 15:55:45 oh 15:56:47 You're forgetting the all-important development principle, minmay 15:56:54 If it exists, we must find ways to use it 15:57:08 !tell PleasingFungus if chaos having an uncommon effect is bad, get rid of chaos clone, miscast, make shifter 15:57:08 minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 15:57:15 there's a corollary, If code exists, we must use it 15:57:28 I think there are plenty of ways invis is used outside of chaos effects 15:57:46 gammafunk: is that why lom got tornado? 15:58:02 rchandra: the explanation for lom getting tornado: Grunt 15:58:10 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:58:21 !lg rchandra chei pan 15:58:22 that's the cycle of wacko monster spells 15:58:22 1. rchandra the Thanatomancer (L27 DsVM of Cheibriados), drowned in Pandemonium (lom_lobon_spiral_st) on 2015-07-30 16:51:43, with 935672 points after 83381 turns and 12:36:07. 15:58:56 wacko player spell is added -> gets implemented for monsters because of a perverted desire for player ghost symmetry -> gets added to some other monster 15:58:57 chei worshipers in extended deserve death by drowning 15:59:22 mr gammafunk 15:59:26 it happened with shatter, it happened with tornado, it's gonna happen for dazzling spray 15:59:34 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:59:37 if you want me to send out your shirt today you need to place your order, I am heading out to the post office now 15:59:39 no koboldina, I don't have any MR 15:59:48 !abyss gammafunk 15:59:53 !banish gammafunk 15:59:53 oh, let me see 15:59:53 koboldina casts a spell. gammafunk is cast into Hell! 15:59:54 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:16 my money is on erica getting dazzling spray 16:00:54 geeze, why does etsy need me to register in order to buy something 16:00:59 ew, it does? 16:01:02 I thought it had a guest checkout 16:02:28 it's ok, I think I just registered 16:03:16 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:09 koboldina: did that go through? 16:04:20 !lm . rune pan|hells s=god 16:04:21 67 milestones for amalloy (rune ((pan || hells))): 23x Cheibriados, 10x The Shining One, 9x Makhleb, 9x Trog, 9x Ashenzari, 5x Zin, Kikubaaqudgha, Okawaru 16:04:28 just for you, gammafunk 16:04:49 it seems to have gone through cash-wise but isn't showing up on my orders for some reason 16:04:51 Well that's what I'd expect from someone who thinks DE are strong! 16:04:52 probably just a delay or something 16:05:10 de are provably not strong 16:05:33 but rchandra, you can have so much Int! the pen is mightier than the sword 16:05:43 !lm * t begin s=crace x=avg(str) 16:06:18 !lg . max=int x=int 16:06:19 406. [int=82] amalloy the Sorcerer (L27 DEWz of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2015-10-03 22:47:28, with 2088829 points after 114111 turns and 15:11:29. 16:06:48 ok it went through. thanks gammafunk! 16:07:05 "Note from buyer Stop having low HP" 16:07:14 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm * t begin s=crace x=avg(str) 16:07:20 yeah you need to fullfill that note 16:07:27 in order to provide good service 16:07:33 funny you should say this I've been trying to figure out how to make my rc put like a yellow overlay onto my screen anytime I'm below a certain amount of hp 16:07:47 but it seems like the best I can do is make it flash yellow every time I do anything if my hp is below a certain amount and that's just obnoxious 16:07:53 I feel like sequell has been timing out at a lot more queries these days 16:08:02 the db keeps getting bigger 16:08:12 FR remove players 16:08:20 seems like that request shouldn't have though 16:08:26 yeah it can't really make an overlay 16:08:46 that's unfortunate, you'd think it would be an easy thing since it already exists for stuff like berserk right 16:08:46 I mean, the HP colors 16:08:50 i've had Sequell time out on my recently for perfectly-reasonable queries that it was able to provide a quick answer to when i re-asked them a few minutes later 16:08:54 can you change the color of those bars? 16:09:09 well it'd be weird if you did, I guess 16:09:12 probably, I've been trying to reverse engineer stuff from the qw bot's lua etc 16:09:15 yeah, it used to be that I'd only have trouble when looking at all games or such, now even when I use "recent" or "greatplayers" etc it fails 16:09:18 since green/yellow/red 16:09:24 there is actually a background_colour variable but it doesn't seem to do anything 16:09:28 -!- fufumann has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:10:10 -!- test is now known as Guest61405 16:10:23 there' the hp_colour option 16:10:28 -!- Guest61405 has quit [Client Quit] 16:10:30 hp_colour colours your Health appropriately in the status 16:10:30 display. In the default setting, your health will appear in 16:10:30 red if at less than 25%, yellow if at less than 50%, and in 16:10:31 the default colour otherwise. 16:11:16 psh implying I ever look at my hit points 16:11:30 well that's the limit if what you can change I think 16:11:37 an overlay isn't really possible 16:11:45 background_colour is a console option for changing background color 16:11:50 not sure if it even works in webtiles 16:11:54