00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:52 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:02 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-12-june-2016 00:08:46 congratulatinos! 00:08:53 *tions 00:11:05 i realized while writing this up that i'd removed the 4x decay for opaque clouds being out of los without making them vanish instantly 00:11:09 so i guess i'll add that back? 00:11:11 idk 00:19:03 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21:43 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-629-gff7fb05: Don't insta-vanish opaque clouds from player maps 10(75 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ff7fb05a50d8 00:21:43 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-630-g098d46c: Make opaque clouds vanish faster outside LOS again 10(32 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/098d46cfcc74 00:22:31 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:27:22 -!- Amphouse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:28:43 -!- aredel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:30:03 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-628-g9200b3b (34) 00:34:22 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:34:27 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:56 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:38:02 -!- lordfrikk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:14 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 00:45:08 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:45:24 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:50:56 !kw newasterion 00:50:57 No keyword 'newasterion' 00:51:04 !kw gsmasterion 00:51:04 Keyword: gsmasterion => vlong>=0.19-a0-526-gbe2e51c 00:51:17 !kw newasterion vlong>=0.19-a0-526-gbe2e51c 00:51:18 Defined keyword: newasterion => vlong>=0.19-a0-526-gbe2e51c 00:51:22 !kw -rm gsmasterion 00:51:23 Deleted keyword: gsmasterion => vlong>=0.19-a0-526-gbe2e51c 00:51:34 !lg * ikiller=asterion newasterion 00:51:35 4. gg19 the Bludgeoner (L16 MiCK of Uskayaw), succumbed to Asterion's poison on Snake:3 on 2016-06-13 02:52:46, with 136028 points after 28182 turns and 1:12:42. 00:51:54 hrm 00:52:11 is there equivalent to the milestone field for logfile? 00:53:28 ah 00:53:34 %git be2e51c 00:53:34 07gammafunk02 * 0.19-a0-526-gbe2e51c: Give Asterion Greater Servant of Makhleb instead of Spectral Weapon 10(6 days ago, 5 files, 28+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/be2e51cfc7cd 00:53:37 !lg * ikiller=asterion newasterion x=vmsg 00:53:38 4. [vmsg=succumbed to Asterion's poison] gg19 the Bludgeoner (L16 MiCK of Uskayaw), succumbed to Asterion's poison on Snake:3 on 2016-06-13 02:52:46, with 136028 points after 28182 turns and 1:12:42. 00:53:51 !lg * ikiller=asterion newasterion s=vmsg 00:53:51 4 games for * (ikiller=asterion newasterion): blasted by Asterion (bolt of lightning), blasted by Asterion (bolt of fire), succumbed to Asterion's poison, blasted by Asterion (orb of electricity) 00:54:10 !lg * ikiller=asterion newasterion -tv:<2 00:54:11 4. gg19, XL16 MiCK, T:28182 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:55:01 slow loading those ttyrecs from australia... 00:55:34 all the bits have to be flipped on their heads as they cross the equator, you know :p 00:55:37 Stable (0.18) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18.1-47-g9310371 00:56:34 oh nooo 00:56:49 that was a funny way to go 00:56:54 !lg * ikiller=asterion newasterion -log 00:56:55 4. gg19, XL16 MiCK, T:28182: https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/gg19/morgue-gg19-20160613-025246.txt 00:57:41 !lg * ikiller=asterion newasterion -tv:<2 -2 00:57:42 3/4. Feirund, XL15 DsMo, T:21869 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:11 -!- Demise has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:02:42 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03:17 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:06 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:06:02 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:07:08 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:09:10 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-630-g098d46c (34) 01:09:51 Pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18.1-47-g9310371 (34) 01:13:18 gammafunk: out of curiosity why is vmsg more useful than the usual kaux there? 01:13:33 amalloy: just to see a synopsis of what happened 01:13:39 who did the killing etc 01:14:44 a single short field that gives relatively complete information about the kill that I can use as a summary for multiple games 01:14:56 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:14:59 compared to something like ckaux which might be confusing to puzzle out 01:19:37 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-630-g098d46c (34) 01:20:38 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:22:43 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:23:17 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:24:16 -!- lordfrikk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:20 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:41:02 -!- oxeimon1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:41:08 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:47:12 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 01:56:00 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-630-g098d46c 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:57 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:05:04 -!- HarleyM has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:05:04 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:06:33 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:08:02 -!- marsharpe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:09:11 -!- KrisztiCat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:11:38 -!- xodahs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:14:49 Stable (0.18) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18.1-47-g9310371 02:15:18 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:58 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:17:47 -!- lordfrikk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:32 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:24:37 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:35:42 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38:40 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:39:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:41:04 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:45:26 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:46:57 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:53:40 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-630-g098d46c 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:57 -!- mango_lives has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:32 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:12:03 -!- eb_ has quit [] 03:19:34 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: poof!] 03:23:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:24:32 Stable (0.18) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18.1-47-g9310371 03:32:06 fr: remove azrael 03:37:44 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-630-g098d46c (34) 03:38:44 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 03:45:50 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:49:04 how's azzie doin these days 03:49:20 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 03:49:23 !killratio azrael * recent 03:49:29 azrael wins 3.687% of battles against * (recent). 03:53:26 -!- Demise has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:46 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:05:36 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 04:09:01 -!- HalfStep has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:09:43 -!- Rjs- is now known as Rjs 04:16:23 !cmd !killratio 04:16:23 Command: !killratio => .echo $(let (target $(=target ${2:-*})$(replace " ()" '' " ($*)") ratio $(=killratio.calc $(!lg ${2:-*} $* ikiller=$1 fmt:"${n}" stub:"0") $(!lm ${2:-*} $* uniq=$1 fmt:"${n}" stub:"0"))) $(if $(= $ratio NaN) "No battles for $1"$(if $(/= $target *) " and $target"). "$1 wins $ratio% of battles"$(if $(/= $target *) " against $target").)) 04:17:15 would be interesting to see a plot of killratio 04:17:34 x axis = unique. y axis = ratio 04:30:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:49:41 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:56:42 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:58:32 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:45 !tell gammafunk azrael's built around being super fiery, but damnation isn't pretending to be fire anymore and there's already a good supply of fire spell based uniques (harold, margery, xtahua) 05:00:46 minmay: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 05:01:18 !tell gammafunk also mara 05:01:19 minmay: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 05:02:34 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:03:06 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:28:07 -!- Mekire has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:48:08 -!- 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13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3b60faf33f73 12:21:04 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:23:19 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:55 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:27:14 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:27:20 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-632-g1f896ec: Don't allow IDing identified decks (koboldina) 10(63 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1f896ece557b 12:33:48 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-633-g93f72d7: Remove and deprecate bits of inventory code 10(32 seconds ago, 2 files, 6+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/93f72d759dbc 12:44:18 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:27 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:50:01 hm, is range 2 smitey magma explosion more or less boring than current magma bolt 12:50:17 feels like it steps on both fireball and qaz's upheaval a bit 12:54:44 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:55:16 -!- djinni has 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I want to give $5 off to anyone who can verify they're a server admin or game dev 14:57:03 i'll keep that in mind. 14:57:06 huh 14:57:22 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:57:31 server admin is simpler 14:57:47 yeah there are only like, what, seven of them 14:57:53 just get them to put a page on their server somewhere 14:57:58 'hi koboldina', you know 14:58:04 devs... idk. get them to send you a message on taver 14:58:05 sure 14:58:15 maybe do that for both 14:58:17 get devs to make a commit removing something in your name 14:58:33 can I make a post on tavern afterwards that just says "stupid remove" and that commit id 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:13 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:03:42 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:06 believe in yourself 15:05:10 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:56 !seen gammafunk 15:05:56 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:57 I last saw gammafunk at Mon Jun 13 15:01:03 2016 UTC (4h 4m 53s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 240 seconds'. 15:08:04 koboldina: what's the status on t-ssolution 15:08:04 CanOfWorms: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:08:08 !messages 15:08:08 (1/1) koboldina said (17m 50s ago): I sent you an email, the shirt listing is up at https://www.etsy.com/listing/386457308/dungeon-crawl-stone-soup-sprite-shirt -- thanks again for being interested! 15:08:12 oh 15:08:16 lol 15:08:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:08:55 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:10:28 etsy: sorry, that nickname is taken (canofworms) 15:10:30 what. 15:12:56 -!- KrisztiCat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:14:04 wow dissolution is male??? when did that happen 15:14:16 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:14:38 well 15:14:43 presumably he/she had a gender before he/she was turned into a priest 15:14:45 and it says priest 15:14:46 not priestess 15:14:49 err 15:14:52 before they were turned into a slime, rather 15:15:01 which begs the question 15:15:05 if you're a dude and get turned into a slime, do you remain a dude 15:15:07 or are you just a slime 15:15:10 i guess it makes sense with his backstory yeah, but i'm sure i remember that speech line being "its name is dissolver" 15:15:19 maybe it just got changed to use @possessive@ 15:15:23 well 15:15:35 it probably makes the most sense for it to be gender neutral post-slimification I guess 15:15:57 koboldina: sent the order 15:16:02 oh! 15:16:08 I'm about to head to the post office to mail out some perlers 15:16:11 let's see if I can get yours out too :) 15:16:12 :O 15:16:25 you saw the part about the discount right 15:17:22 in the e-mail? 15:17:36 yes 15:18:02 yeah 15:18:14 ok awesome 15:18:31 I'm thinking like "buy enough shirts, get one free", something along those lines 15:19:03 I think i might be able to set up coupons or something with etsy idk, I really want to move to my own website soon if this picks up 15:19:06 so I have more control over this sort of thing 15:20:03 neat 15:25:32 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:28 -!- Octobro has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:26:52 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:33:08 -!- ystael has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:33:16 -!- ystael_ is now known as ystael 15:35:32 hmm does anyone have opinions on merging runed/shiny/glowing into one thing, and what it should be if so 15:36:09 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:37:22 would be nice for it to be relatively clear that it's "magic, and also maybe better than 'enchanted' stuff" i guess 15:37:39 oh yeah i was gonna do that 15:37:42 glowing 15:38:05 glowing or runed can appear on anything currently so either of those seems fine yeah 15:38:33 runed feels a little less generic to me, and i think we want this to be generic 15:38:35 if that makes sense 15:39:26 yeah 15:40:07 hard to communicate what it actually means, but if there's only that an enchanted to distinguish between it's easy to learn, at least 15:40:27 we already have a note added to item descriptions of 'enchanted' items 15:40:30 i guess "enchanted" sort of works in that it just means "has had some enchant foo scrolls used on it, or maybe a negative number of them" 15:40:34 -!- Smello has quit [Quit: Bye!] 15:40:37 oh, nice 15:40:58 !source describe.cc:1067 15:40:59 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc#l1067 15:44:33 oops, tags.cc still gives boxes of beasts charges 15:44:59 i guess that just does nothing anyway 15:45:48 -!- Cerpin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:51 maybe now it should have a check to remove them again! for additional fun and minor tag usage 15:46:13 probably doesn't need a minor tag 15:46:32 since it's not like removing charges from boxes without charges would break anything 15:47:48 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:53 oh wow i like this handling for splint mail removal 15:50:13 link? 15:50:38 !source tags.cc:4204 15:50:39 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/tags.cc#l4204 15:50:56 lmao 15:50:58 nothing could possibly go wrong 15:51:45 imagine if all enums were removed like that instead of #ifdefing them... 15:51:50 tags.cc would be beautiful 15:51:51 inspiring 15:51:53 ya 15:53:31 are there any stats on how many people play dcss? 15:54:11 online or off? 15:54:11 -!- Dix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:14 you can probably query with !lg * recent or something 15:54:58 ideally both, pf 15:55:09 only very vague ones for offline as far as i know? 15:55:44 i wonder if we could look at download counts for recent releases 15:56:26 and most people play offline according to the last survey (which probably still underrepresents offline players anyway i guess) 15:56:58 -!- SleepyDude32 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:58:23 it's sort of funny how devs always skew disproportionately against the majority of players 15:58:39 more console devs than tiles, more online devs than local, more unix devs than windows 15:59:33 would be nice if we had more love for local tiles 15:59:39 but who wants to play offline? 15:59:45 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:51 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:03:55 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:04:41 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:04:44 I think it's to be expected that unix and console applications are more popular among programmers than they are among the general population 16:04:59 sure 16:05:48 <|amethyst> re "enchanted" 16:05:51 <|amethyst> could be "unbranded" 16:06:11 that's broader 16:06:21 unless we want to call it 'glowing unbranded' or something 16:06:50 perhaps pluses on monster-wielded weapons should be identified? 16:07:12 the curse game cost... 16:10:16 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:37 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:49 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:28 !tell gammafunk how do you feel about sifcast interface btw? i was thinking about a possible alternate implementation (instant, power-surge-ish ability that makes your next spell cost 0 mp) but that has different implications and i'm not sure it'd be better necessarily 16:21:28 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 16:21:34 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:52 wow good 16:22:36 Yeah I just happened to sign on just now 16:22:50 good psychic powers 16:23:11 -!- Dix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:23:14 honestly gammafunk probably has some sockpuppet accounts that hang out in the channel. always watching, listening...waiting 16:23:25 I did a couple of runs with sifcasting and it felt ok to me, although I could see some people getting annoyed by it 16:23:45 The surge-like idea sounds kind of interesting 16:24:07 where you thinking this would cost piety? 16:24:20 or would that be unchanged 16:24:39 I do like having a no-piety early-available thing to help you cast spells with sif 16:24:47 no, just have it work the same way and base the no-cast duration on spell level 16:24:59 that doesn't seem much better than channeling. you still hammer aa pretty regularly if you want to actually cast spells with it; it just means you have to alternate between aa zaf aa zaf, and you can't use it to regain MP out of combat 16:25:17 amalloy: I don't follow 16:25:31 fyi, koboldina and minmay were both looking for you 16:25:52 are you talking about the current sifcast or specifically the idea MPA is proposing, amalloy? 16:26:00 MPA's current new proposal 16:26:38 <|amethyst> could turn it into aaaf 16:26:48 <|amethyst> i.e. have the ability prompt as though you did z (or Z I guess) 16:26:51 it's still an active effect that does something a lot like giving you MP, probably even an amount that is not too far off from the current channel 16:27:26 it is going to be less keystrokes whne you consider what the player will be doing with those -cast turns 16:27:27 amalloy: you can only use it once every n turns at most though, where n is at least 2-3 for level 1 spells and increases with spell level 16:27:33 yeah 16:27:42 now a summoner will probably be hitting . a bunch 16:27:50 but a conj is probably going to use those turns to move 16:27:59 when did anyone say something about -cast 16:28:18 oh, a few seconds before i was done typing my message 16:28:18 <+MarvinPA> no, just have it work the same way and base the no-cast duration on spell level 16:28:32 yeah you'll get a -cast debuff 16:28:42 this was intended as basically the same ability just with a different interface for how it works 16:28:48 yes, with -cast it is no longer an obviously-uninteresting (imo) idea 16:28:59 (and practically it does have some different gameplay implications as a result) 16:29:02 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 16:29:18 right, the -cast thing was pretty fun and usable in my playtests 16:29:36 PleasingFungus: koboldina I'll find in chat and for minmay I don't want any more elf videos 16:29:46 i think you do 16:30:15 I'm sure gammafunk has plenty of deep elf XXX from his streams 16:30:38 MarvinPA: are you mostly concerned about the prompting situation with the current implementation? 16:31:13 having it as an active to trigger does remove need for a prompt 16:31:14 i'm not super concerned, just curious and that popped into my head as a possible alternative 16:31:48 -!- Rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:48 i sort of like the flavour of it is a prompted passive, all else being equal 16:31:53 of it as* 16:31:59 yeah, it's nicely streamlined 16:32:39 in that you do have to have used up all your mp, and then sif graciously offers you some more :P 16:32:43 how does it work currently? if you try to cast a spell but lack the MP, sif asks if you need an assist? 16:32:51 basically, yes 16:33:30 Well I suppose it works exactly that way, but the message isn't posed as a question from sif herself 16:33:48 but yeah, it's a y/n prompt iff you lack the mp required to cast the spell 16:33:59 it is as of my last commit! 16:34:03 dang 16:34:06 %git sifcast 16:34:06 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-523-g63d696b: Use a passive_t for Sif no-mp casting 10(6 days ago, 3 files, 24+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/63d696b94c3f 16:34:07 i do worry about a somewhat unexpected prompt in the middle of combat. if i want to like, cast a spell but don't realize i lack the mp, and then i want to move northwest, i might type zwy 16:34:30 yeah, and somebody like myself might even try to disable the prompt entirely 16:34:32 solution: remove vikeys 16:34:32 not realizing that the y turns into a [y]es 16:34:51 not the first time vikeys "y" has been a problem.. 16:34:52 -!- Rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:34:53 PleasingFungus: we already removed mouse from all the relevant versions, how would things work without vikeys 16:34:56 is there an option to make Y/N prompts require upper-case Y 16:35:00 gammafunk: yes 16:35:07 I should maybe use this 16:35:08 amalloy: numpad, the pad of kings 16:35:15 although I've not been burned by the y vikeys thing 16:35:20 force_more literally every prompt 16:35:22 there is 16:35:52 PleasingFungus hates laptop users 16:36:11 laptop users hate laptop users 16:36:11 PleasingFungus: vikeys is a nice layout for many of us even keyboard issues aside, since you're closer to all the action keys at any time 16:36:14 that's why they use laptops 16:36:29 -!- Rast-- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:42 -!- Rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:44 in a game with a lot fewer action keys vikeys would probably be less popular 16:36:57 you just need to remove a ton of crawl actions! 16:37:08 basically every time i have to take my hands off the home row i literally lose a quarter-second of my life 16:37:23 fucked up, if true... 16:37:32 alternatively: imagine how many extra commands we could add on to hjklyubn if we forced numpad usage for movement! 16:38:00 (j)uke 16:38:53 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:39:09 FR emacs movement keys 16:39:20 'b'lame, usable only post-death 16:40:00 to cast freezing cloud, it's a simple C-c S-i M-f RET 16:41:00 For the piety gain situation, I haven't looked at how numbers would change if we modified this 16:41:21 wrt the current situation based on training spellcasting schools 16:41:23 -!- Dix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:28 seriously though the number of times i get confused switching between emacs and crawl and accidentally type C-n to move south, and end up attacking southeast instead... 16:41:42 (not a serious FR, just a lamentation on muscle memory) 16:41:45 amalloy: I'm going to begin migrating to vim, but I keep putting it off 16:42:04 all the little things I don't know how to do... 16:42:12 I've gotten a bit too dependant on dired tbh 16:43:26 why migrate to vim? 16:44:28 things i discovered while working on newnewnewnemelex: for some reason almost every language has a translation for stairs card, buggy card, and very buggy card but most have no others 16:44:33 mostly because the things I feel that emacs legitimately adds over less complicated solutions is integration of ansi-term for really easy copy-paste interaction with terminal and maybe dired 16:44:34 this is the most confusing thing???? 16:44:41 lol 16:44:54 and the former is still really awkward 16:44:56 stairs card? 16:45:01 stairs card?? 16:45:04 pity 16:45:11 i don't even know why it exists 16:45:16 what is it 16:45:27 was it the portal card? 16:45:30 it claims to be for testing xom's stair movement effect 16:45:35 oh 16:45:36 ahhh 16:45:39 the good old days 16:45:49 i guess because it always used to be literally impossible to get a specific xom effect in wizmode so the obvious way to fix that is to make it a fake card 16:45:52 -!- Kenran has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:55 obviously 16:46:00 and translate it 16:46:04 -!- ldleworker is now known as ldlework 16:46:07 yes 16:46:28 there was something else like that we found the other day 16:46:32 wrt mystery cards 16:46:53 i guess i should actually remove it, since you can call specific xom effects now? i saw that there was some partial rewriting in xom.cc! 16:46:55 oh right, an icon for some deck that didn't exist 16:46:57 punishments 16:47:14 and then still the tragic chain of ifs for choosing an effect, with a very good comment at the top 16:47:14 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:47:15 didn't exist as a physical item, and it turned out to be due to how tile selection code was made 16:48:15 -!- deltaromeo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:50:02 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:52:42 god, imagine if you could actually control what Xom did 16:52:52 like with piety costs or the like 16:53:02 true comedy: PleasingFungus can't spell hepliaklqana either, evidently http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-12-june-2016 16:53:08 maybe rewriting this should go up as an implementable next to the notes.cc one 16:53:15 it's also nice and self-contained! should be easy 16:53:28 amalloy: this is known 16:53:44 it's a grunt-ism anyway 16:53:46 oh 16:53:50 that's because it originally had an l at the end 16:54:05 PleasingFungus: i finally remembered how to spell it myself, so i am now entitled to mock everyone else for taking longer than me 16:54:15 i plead dev privilege 16:54:18 'I remember how it used to be!' 16:56:21 PleasingFungus: do you even know how sad I was when I read that trunk update 16:56:29 and there was no mention of TotalGhoulNutr... 16:56:55 it was like all I've worked for is a lie 16:57:02 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:57:31 gammafunk: imagine how much player goodwill you could get for un-removing decks... 16:57:31 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 16:57:42 has anyone really complained about that? 16:57:45 of course 16:57:50 players complain about everything 16:57:52 I guess it does go without saying 16:58:00 gammafunk: lmao 16:58:03 specifically https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/4nx2cc/june_12th_update_cards_removed/ 16:58:04 apparently the one repository that's failing to update on my system....is one I have from google 16:58:10 wasn't there a tavern thread complaining 16:58:15 hmm maybe the real secret orbrun tech is to dig out every level and then convert to xom and wait until you get stairs effects and use it to move every staircase pair next to each other 16:58:18 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 16:58:36 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 16:58:51 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:58:58 amalloy: oh god, comment second from top is koboldina 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:11 there was also: http://imgur.com/f4IznDh 17:00:13 https://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/4nu3eo/dcss_trunk_updates_12_june_2016/ has some discussion, but no complaints about deck removal that i can see really 17:00:21 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:00:22 lmao 17:00:41 norris was cool theme imo, even if the unique itself was bad 17:00:46 alas... 17:00:50 people suggested replacing jessica with norris 17:00:52 norrisina 17:01:00 The Norrisess 17:01:03 ! 17:01:20 PleasingFungus: top-voted comment appears to be "Muh cards!" 17:01:27 sounds like tabstorm 17:01:35 newnewnewnewnewnemelex removes another 15 so far, can test if the complaints scale linearly 17:01:53 wait, does n*emelex exist? 17:01:54 if someone just made a timeline of nememelx changes 17:02:01 I think that would be a great read 17:02:13 *nemelex 17:02:40 inserting meme was not intention, but in hindsight perhaps a stroke of genius 17:02:54 perhaps 17:03:11 PleasingFungus: so far i've done more deck slimming, to make it just 6 cards per deck (and back to destruction/escape/summoning), vaguely as per r-i's suggestion 17:03:40 I think the destruction/escape/summoning return is probably for the best 17:03:42 i think that is fine to go in on its own maybe, but i'd like to merge deck rarities too later on 17:04:04 mostly due to the hostile summons and not having a great way to deal with those 17:04:25 although the way of dealing with that by spamming for crusade/more summons is maybe not great gameplay 17:04:32 but who said nem was about that anyhow! 17:05:10 crusade is one of the victims! 17:05:15 uh oh! 17:05:29 well if you can at least make more summons 17:05:39 and i think the remaining summon cards generally are always-friendly or a mix of friendly+hostile on just a single use 17:05:52 yeah, that's probably a nice way of dealing with it 17:06:12 although I'm sure there's still pretty bad variance 17:06:26 I'm recalling a massive swarm of hostile vampire mosquitos 17:06:31 with a couple friendlies mixed in 17:06:41 iirc everything is always-friendly, except demon (which guarantees 1 friendly and 1 hostile at worst?) and foxfire (which has individual friendliness checks per monster) 17:06:53 -!- Dracunos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:11 yeah my last bad experience was foxfire, and since that's one card it can always be adressed by tweaking that card, if it's a problem 17:07:20 but being able to draw for more summons helps with this 17:09:00 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:54 MarvinPA: can't repulsiveness summon hostiles? 17:12:08 another tragic victim of the sweeping reforms 17:12:34 i just didn't see it in the list of removed cards 17:12:42 not yet! 17:13:07 -!- Shard1697_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:13:13 (i'm compiling and hoping i haven't broken stuff) 17:15:50 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:34 -!- Dix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:05 -!- halv has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:22:10 -!- zero_one has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:23:02 !break MarvinPA 17:23:29 -!- nezrel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:11 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:24:55 -!- ldlework is now known as ldleworker 17:25:31 it was mentioned how Azrael is fire themed but still features damnation is the primary thing he does that differentiates him from just being an efreet with a band 17:25:37 @??azrael 17:25:37 Azrael (04R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 74-103 | AC/EV: 10/5 | Dam: 17 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, unholy, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 04fire+++, 05damnation, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 1260 | Sp: b.fire (3d20) [06!sil], sticky flame range (3d5) [06!sil], fireball (3d20) [06!sil], hurl damnation (3d20) [06!sil], call down damn.. 17:25:46 @??efreet 17:25:46 efreet (05R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 29-47 | AC/EV: 10/5 | Dam: 17 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, unholy, fly | Res: 06magic(20), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 361 | Sp: b.fire (3d15) [06!sil], fireball (3d15) [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 17:26:51 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:13 it's maybe neat to have damnation show up early-ish on a unique? 17:27:21 but agreed it seems weird on azrael now 17:27:32 good use of the passive minmay tense 17:27:49 Which is better: current paralyzation; paralyzation where all defenses are set to 0; or paralyzation where no defenses are affected? 17:27:51 PleasingFungus: the person who was mentioned by you just now isn't relevant 17:27:59 yeah, I don't think the unique itself is a bad design 17:28:11 but thematically it's a bit off 17:28:36 We could make azrael a hellion 17:28:41 Lasty: you're not happy with para hurting ev/sh chars more than ac ones? 17:29:01 could make him a non-efreet R, there's plenty of colour space there for him to be his own species i guess 17:29:08 -!- FitzyFitz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:29:13 Lasty: HP is a defense...i like this new idea... 17:29:14 isn't his spellset the same as drac scorchers? 17:29:24 @??draconian scorcher 17:29:24 mottled draconian scorcher (04q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 66-91 | AC/EV: 9/12 | Dam: 15 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, unholy, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire, 04napalm | XP: 1677 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), b.magma (3d25), fireball (3d26), hurl damnation (3d20), call down damnation (3d15) [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 17:29:28 -!- Rast-- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:29:31 similar 17:29:41 more explodey 17:29:45 haha 17:29:54 PleasingFungus: I don't love it, yeah 17:29:59 amalloy: heh, touche 17:30:44 PleasingFungus: but I was wondering if anyone particularly likes the "remove non-AC defenses" implementation 17:31:17 sounds like you want to remove all disabling of defenses 17:32:38 PleasingFungus: not necessarily. Zeroing out the defenses might be equally good 17:32:57 I just don't love how differently that particular status affects different characters 17:32:58 Lasty: what about Petr? i had a young Tm's life cut short by being petrified in spider form 17:33:03 or halving 17:33:05 also, sleep 17:33:06 PleasingFungus: yeah 17:33:09 the status no one remembers 17:33:21 amalloy: ouch. At least petrification adds some AC... 17:33:33 that's what i thought too 17:33:33 actually i think sleep currently doesn't touch defenses 17:33:33 PleasingFungus: poor Aizul 17:33:33 but it turns out no 17:33:39 !lg . status~~spider x=ac,ev 17:33:40 7. [ac=2;ev=5] amalloy the Black Belt (L14 VpTm), slain by an alligator on D:11 (hangedman_parallel_progression) on 2016-05-19 02:51:33, with 51226 points after 26099 turns and 2:23:43. 17:33:40 i tried to fix that once and then gave up 17:33:43 the relevant code is bad. 17:33:50 PleasingFungus: I think it doesn't touch defenses but does give autohit to the attacker 17:33:56