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02:05:35 i know taking stairs still does. i hadn't thought about eating 02:08:13 no 02:08:18 only stairs 02:08:24 i removed the rest 02:08:38 good unrand concept: increase your ev when taking stairs 02:08:50 did you see the dcss-ca stair stuff? 02:08:53 lol 02:09:00 oh the monster following thing? 02:09:02 that I saw 02:09:03 no 02:09:14 you can get interrupted by taking damage 02:09:16 while climbing stairs 02:09:33 yeah I think I saw that mentioned 02:10:10 i don't really know why stairdancing is a thing 02:10:24 as in? 02:10:52 why it exists, that is. given that it exists i understand why players do it 02:11:15 i mean, stairdancing is a combination of mechanics 02:11:19 it's an emergent property of game 02:11:29 I don't think the average player is good enough to be able to rely on many other methods 02:11:35 i feel like you need to specify which mechanics that lead to stairdancing that you don't think should exist 02:11:45 I guess amalloy means "how come monsters don't track you through stairs" 02:11:47 strike one of those 'thats'. 02:11:49 oh 02:11:51 that's because that's also bad 02:11:54 even when they're not adjacent 02:11:57 * johnstein is not really a good player, despite what sequel says 02:12:01 but maybe he means other things 02:13:16 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:13:58 on a technical level crawl would have to have a pretty signficant design change even if you thought monster movement being tracked off-level was a good idea 02:14:07 i don't really mean anything very well-thought-out. it seems like a super cheesy unnatural way to split up monsters into smaller groups. that seems like its existence must make it hard to balance encounter difficulty 02:14:22 what are natural ways to split up monster groups 02:14:27 holistic? organic? 02:14:52 also i guess you're talking about monsters not following you unless they're adjacent to you when you hit < 02:15:01 gammafunk was right...... 02:15:02 the natural way is presumably "don't split them up" 02:15:33 I mean I think this discussion does entail a good deal of thought, like PleasingFungus is kind of suggesting here; it's not trivial technically or gameplay-wise 02:15:58 I'm just thinking of how complex things would be if crawl had to simulate multiple levels at once 02:17:17 don't worry, in my fork gameplay will be basically perfect 02:17:24 just remember to fund the kickstarter 02:18:17 The swag for funding is a Koboldina t-shirt of a Hep ancestor named 'gammajunk' 02:18:36 lol 02:18:49 i should start a kickstarter 02:18:53 -!- jeefus is now known as jefus 02:20:18 i just had this thought, gammafunk: how hard is it to get vanity domain names in north korea? imagine if you could put g@mmafu.nk on your business card 02:20:25 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:20:58 that's a good idea 02:20:59 fun fact, in the silly simple libtcod roguelike I made a few years ago, I insisted on simulating all enemies on all floors of the dungeon 02:21:31 and ran into a weird bug where monsters kept disappearing, seemingly at random times 02:21:35 gammafunk: it's actually not, because apparently .nk is not an extant TLD 02:21:49 north korea seems to be .kp 02:22:12 ended up I forgot to tell the monsters they were on different floors and they were fighting each other via dungeon wormholes 02:22:31 dungeon wormholes sound fun 02:22:41 it was an annoying couple of hours 02:24:05 how strong is the arc blade compared to a regular elec brand rapier 02:24:19 impossibly strong. unbeatable. basically a free win 02:24:34 johnstein: that's a sweet bug tho 02:25:17 here's a bug I got in 0.17, not sure if it was fixed 02:25:27 Lightli: arc blade doesn't work properly in fsim but it is better than a rapier 02:25:30 there's this one vault that spawns a bunch of slimes and an oklob in the center 02:25:53 does that vault even have loot 02:25:53 when you open the door the game automatically puts an exclusion on the oklob 02:25:55 then I close the door 02:25:56 no 02:26:01 but if a jelly inside wakes up 02:26:05 and eats the door offscreen 02:26:05 PleasingFungus, one of my faves. https://github.com/jmbjr/dungeoneer/commit/e465522774de4690338f518842ce0e2723b275ee 02:26:14 when I go back the exclusion doesn't update to take into account the missing door 02:26:19 I'm very disappointed in my past self for such poor commit style. 02:26:20 no pun 02:26:26 commit title too long 02:26:34 and hardly any info in the commit message 02:26:37 D- 02:26:43 have you looked at tome4's git 02:26:44 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26:48 most of the commit messages are "plop" 02:26:51 heh 02:26:52 so much indentation... 02:27:14 like, that's not an anti-python thing 02:27:20 !indent pleasingfungus 02:27:21 that's a 'make some helper functions for heaven's sake' thing 02:27:23 nooo 02:27:32 ya 02:27:36 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:27:41 I did a lot more refactoring after that I think 02:27:52 !refactor it 02:28:01 pop it, shove it, twist it 02:28:57 where that repo shines is the Issues 02:29:12 (not really) 02:29:53 I always forget all the useful wizmode commands after not doing any crawl-dev stuff for months 02:32:23 http://i.imgur.com/o4HkPxa.png 02:33:13 raj you need to learn how to write commit messages 02:33:36 what's a hearst 02:33:39 how do I regen a level to force it to use a particular layout? specifically, I want to see layout_pan_divisions 02:33:58 I swear I was able to do that before... I thought 02:34:01 i only know &R for generic level regen and &P for vault placement 02:34:05 also &L 02:34:06 maybe I kept 02:34:17 imo force the weight high 02:34:23 it's in &? 02:34:24 hm 02:34:46 P create a level based on a vault 02:34:47 &L doesn't work 02:34:48 -!- Laraso_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:34:56 oh wait you said layout 02:35:10 I think what I was doing was regenerating the level over and over again till I got the one I wanted 02:35:17 so yea, I should just screw around iwth the weight 02:35:20 ...it works for layouts too actually 02:35:23 oh 02:35:28 no, you can actually just use &P, just tried it 02:35:35 cool 02:35:39 No exact matches for 'layout_pan_divisions', possible matches are: layout_pan_divisions_a, and layout_pan_divisions_b. 02:35:40 i knew they were similar to vaults in some respects 02:35:41 I really didn't expect that to work 02:35:43 wasn't sure how much so 02:35:45 nice 02:35:48 good code...!? 02:35:58 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 02:36:54 johnstein: there is no 'layout_pan_divisions', it's two layouts 02:37:16 http://i.imgur.com/Vf3oYPi.png 02:37:46 +NAME: layout_pan_divisions from https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/86892e867a4d8dda07870a32006f494270e3d871#diff-c46452a6e9503a080f5fcc5266bbe2b8R26 02:37:53 http://i.imgur.com/J3hKH3t.png http://imgur.com/C4XAXya https://i.imgur.com/nMx7zT8.png 02:38:21 johnstein: that doesn't exist anymore, it's split into a and b now 02:38:34 johnstein: look at the file, do a grep, etc. if you don't believe me 02:38:36 ohhh 02:38:40 I know what I did 02:38:53 I was looking at the file from the commit where it was added 02:38:55 ??doh 02:38:55 |amethyst[1/24]: <|amethyst> doh 02:38:56 ty] 02:39:31 for some reason I convinced myself that _a and _b were something fancy that I didn't understand, related to the subvaults 02:40:03 alphabets are pretty fancy 02:40:12 they took us a few million years to invent 02:40:30 poll: how often do crawl devs clean their ears 02:41:38 !vault layout_pan_divisions_a 02:41:38 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/layout_pan_divisions.des#l40 02:53:24 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-599-g723c685 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:32 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:14 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:10:21 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:12:04 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:19:57 congrats, PF 03:20:16 your damned howler monkeys have finally achieved killing me 03:23:38 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-599-g723c685 (34) 03:25:36 ProzacElf, fyi, it's ok to mention dbro. I don't really advertise much, but ??dbro is there, so it's OK. if it ever causes any detrimental effect, I'll have to do something 03:25:40 but should be small potatoes 03:25:52 (re: ##crawl comments earlier this week) 03:30:05 since when do orbrun ghosts appear in the dungeon? 03:30:16 because i just ran into an XL27 ghost on d:7 and i am not happy about it 03:31:03 since always 03:31:30 really? 03:31:33 did it one-shot you 03:31:41 i've played thousands of games and have never ran into one 03:31:49 and no, but it almost killed me with haunt 03:32:04 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:34:50 -!- olscumpy has joined ##crawl-dev 03:36:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:36:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:38:16 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 03:44:16 -!- eb_ has quit [] 03:45:43 johnstein: i'll still keep it quiet because i like to be able to wizmode without lag =p 03:48:02 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:52:36 WalkerBoh: you don't run into them much because a very small percentage of all D:7 deaths are orbrun deaths 03:52:44 !lg * d:7 s=xl 03:52:45 132900 games for * (d:7): 55990x 9, 48436x 8, 13430x 7, 5836x 10, 4318x 6, 1954x 5, 883x 4, 704x 1, 629x 3, 439x 2, 209x 11, 29x 12, 12x 13, 12x 27, 5x 15, 4x 16, 3x 14, 3x 26, 21, 23, 24, 19 03:53:03 !lg * d:7 / xl=27 03:53:04 12/132900 games for * (d:7): N=12/132900 (0.01%) 03:53:29 can they appear all the way down to d:1? 03:53:43 no ghosts ever appear on d:1 or d:2 03:53:43 right 03:53:43 but on d:3, sure 03:53:51 gotta be honest 03:53:53 that's fucked up 03:54:10 rip 03:54:20 -!- koboldina has joined ##crawl-dev 03:55:16 like the ghost i found had ball lightning and haste in its spellset 03:55:34 that's just an insta death in most cases 03:58:10 -!- CcS has quit [] 03:59:06 -!- olscumpy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:25 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:01:57 !lg * !won br=d xl=27 s=place 04:01:58 1454 games for * (!won br=d xl=27): 534x Pan, 79x Abyss, 69x D:27, 46x D:$, 30x D:26, 26x D:1, 26x D:25, 21x Zig:14, 21x Zig:25, 21x Zig:13, 20x D:21, 20x D:13, 19x Zig:26, 19x Zig:22, 19x Zig:16, 18x D:14, 18x Zig:27, 17x D:23, 17x Zig:12, 17x D:11, 17x Zig:18, 17x D:24, 17x D:4, 17x D:15, 16x D:9, 16x Zig:11, 16x D:8, 16x Zig:24, 16x Zig:10, 16x D:12, 15x D:10, 15x Zig:17, 15x Zig:23, 14x Zig:21... 04:02:16 !lg * recent !won br=d xl=27 s=place 04:02:18 57 games for * (recent !won br=d xl=27): 10x D:$, 9x D:1, 6x D:4, 5x D:11, 4x D:12, 4x D:15, 3x D:8, 3x D:6, 3x D:7, 2x D:13, 2x D:14, 2x D:10, 2x D:9, D:5, D:3 04:03:28 -!- 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12:22:37 that sounds good to me, i was going to do it myself having seen the idea in backlog :P 12:26:12 sounds like a patented Dev Consensus to me 12:27:22 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:29 PleasingFungus: I wasn't sure. I think we should make the choice based on the power level. That said, we can start by trying either angle. 12:29:29 Lasty: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:29:49 i feel like scaling item power quadratically doesn't need to be a goal 12:30:08 agreed 12:30:15 we already addressed that, happily 12:30:16 it seems like it should be fine to scale one aspect (e.g. beast level, spider type) linearly and let the rest be independent of power 12:30:32 oh i misunderstood you 12:30:36 i think at least having them guaranteed to give you one use is good 12:30:45 and then power can be adjusted from there as appropriate 12:30:50 i thought you were saying make the choice based on current evo power. i misunderstood 12:30:53 yeah, that's probably better from a feelsgood standpoint 12:30:55 yeah 12:30:57 bad itemfeel rn 12:31:05 sad! 12:31:08 so yeah, I endorse this idea or product 12:33:18 PleasingFungus: is that something you want to take care of, or would you prefer that I do? 12:33:28 i'm asleep right now 12:33:30 it should be quick either way 12:33:34 if it hasn't happened in a few days i can do it 12:33:39 haha 12:33:45 I'll just do it now :p 12:33:55 success! 12:33:59 i like how you didn't ask mpa 12:34:12 well, he wasn't the person who brought it up :p 12:34:38 i'm sure you could persuade him to do it. see, it's *removing* a bad player experience... *remove*.... 12:34:42 wink, nudge 12:34:54 haha 12:35:07 <|amethyst> I suggest we remove the lack of transdimensional hellspider 12:35:08 hey, I need to get my millimarvins up, even if it's purely conceptual ones 12:35:55 !learn add reserved_clan_names Conceptual Millimarvins 12:35:56 reserved clan names[24/24]: Conceptual Millimarvins 12:38:21 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:38:49 -!- fufumann has quit [Client Quit] 12:45:12 Axe cleaving description 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10493 by Jafet 12:48:25 I think Krishna might be the game's best weapon right now 12:48:50 -!- Offlineelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:49:23 !lg * recent ghostly 12:49:26 482672. kkii2494 the Firebug (L4 DEFE), slain by a sky beast on D:4 on 2016-06-11 16:48:34, with 106 points after 2765 turns and 0:06:20. 12:49:34 !kw ghostly 12:49:35 Keyword: ghostly => !boring !won ktyp!= lg:place!=D:1 lg:place!=D:2 lg:place!=Temple !mu !gh !vp lg:status!~~lich 12:49:39 ahh 12:49:49 !lg * recent ghostly xl>25 place=D 12:49:52 note that ghosts still aren't guaranteed 12:49:55 44. Tiktacy the Warrior (L27 MiTm of Cheibriados), mangled by Azoiviv the pandemonium lord on D:7 on 2016-06-11 07:21:08, with 726680 points after 82021 turns and 5:59:11. 12:50:12 yup. was just reading the walkerboh D7 orbrun ghost info from above 12:50:21 there's an (intentional) chance of them not being saved, iirc 12:50:29 well, thought that there was just the 27 ghost limit 12:50:33 n 12:50:40 sorr 12:50:43 27 ghosts per floor 12:50:53 which never really comes into practical effect cept for like abyss 12:51:00 * johnstein checks ghosts on cbro 12:51:04 hm 12:51:09 or maybe i'm misremembering 12:51:23 there was a bug with abyss ghosts that I don't remember if it got fixed 12:51:33 !lg * recent ghostly place=abyss 12:51:34 22978. Elune the Severer (L12 DsFi of Qazlal), blasted by a lich (bolt of acid) on Abyss:1 on 2016-06-11 16:49:47, with 16273 points after 9831 turns and 0:35:17. 12:51:51 snack ran into like 3 dickylongcocking ghosts in one bailey yesterday 12:51:53 <|amethyst> !kw ghostly 12:51:54 Keyword: ghostly => !boring !won ktyp!= lg:place!=D:1 lg:place!=D:2 lg:place!=Temple !mu !gh !vp lg:status!~~lich 12:52:13 that guy is a ghost machine 12:52:19 lol, yes 12:52:28 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:52:30 it was really funny though 12:52:31 <|amethyst> !lg dickylongcocking week ghostly 12:52:32 75. dickylongcocking the Twirler (L5 DsGl of Kikubaaqudgha), slain by an orc wizard (a +0 dagger) on D:4 (minmay_misc_feat_tiny) on 2016-06-11 12:55:54, with 165 points after 3159 turns and 0:03:07. 12:52:35 <|amethyst> !lg neil week ghostly 12:52:36 45. neil the Chiller (L4 OpIE), blasted by an orc wizard (puff of flame) on D:3 on 2016-06-11 14:17:30, with 70 points after 1670 turns and 0:03:12. 12:52:38 because he started by bitching about the bailey he got 12:52:39 <|amethyst> damn 12:52:47 <|amethyst> I need to step up my game 12:52:49 and then deemed it "the fortress of dickylongcocking" 12:52:54 i guess i'm misremembering 12:53:11 PleasingFungus, http://pastebin.com/2Sn50J50 12:53:23 !lg * week ghostly s=name 12:53:24 18422 games for * (week ghostly): 876x Leafly, 491x qw, 260x tstbtto, 154x LAYA, 125x lteawoo, 102x Xiguana, 101x Elune, 100x MiryuNeko, 88x woodtrims, 88x Gargoyl, 88x kazimierz, 87x p0werm0de, 83x fox, 83x Amnesiac, 80x loozi, 76x Melan, 75x dickylongcocking, 75x joon153, 70x ClownBabyJr, 69x Engine, 67x ololoev, 66x hanon12, 66x gosan, 64x OffsetSiren, 63x sms0827, 61x kimhorror, 61x Toish, 60x... 12:53:30 PleasingFungus: the lament of the old man =p 12:53:33 !gamesby Leafly 12:53:34 Leafly has played 1678 games, between 2016-05-26 12:11:21 and 2016-06-11 16:24:15, won 0, high score 107753, total score 792352, total turns 997303, play-time/day 4:31:52, total time 3d+5:01:47. 12:54:00 btw, is there any actual difference between 'ghostly' monsters and the regular version? 12:54:04 johnstein: i guess abyss ghosts are saved but not loaded? 12:54:09 ProzacElf: iirc some resists 12:54:11 ProzacElf: undead resist 12:54:12 s 12:54:17 ah 12:54:29 then i was technically incorrect the other night 12:54:44 Oh wait, I'm wearing amulet of harm 12:54:50 maybe that's the game's best weapo 12:54:51 n 12:54:52 hm 12:54:58 also you can't suck blood from them 12:55:04 not realizing you're wearing harm? 12:55:12 hahaha 12:55:16 ProzacElf: yes. Or Krishna + harm. Or just harm. 12:55:33 i am one of the 20 players that actually likes vp and i never noticed that PF 12:55:40 it's a recent change 12:55:54 <|amethyst> also, they don't leave corpses 12:55:58 %git 0dc8126f2 12:55:58 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1442-g0dc8126: No Blood From Ghosts (10036) 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0dc8126f2d16 12:56:04 no blood for ghost men 12:56:10 that would've been a better commit title 12:56:18 will you option that out to my script-writing team 12:56:20 as a title 12:56:24 ? 12:56:35 Like Blood for Ghostolate. 12:56:47 <|amethyst> the undead resists don't actually come from the spectralised flag 12:56:52 Lasty Train From Tibet 12:57:08 <|amethyst> rather, lost soul revive gives both MF_SPECTRALISED and MF_FAKE_UNDEAD 12:57:13 The Apple Dumpling Prozacelf 12:57:15 wait 12:57:15 ah, i was wondering why i couldn't find taht 12:57:27 mine was way better 12:57:32 hm 12:57:33 PleasingFungus, yea that's about it. about once a year it comes up. I think elliptic, grunt, and |amethyst have chatted with me about it before 12:57:39 you owe me swedish pancakes 12:57:43 but I get the participation award 12:57:47 i wonder if you can suck the blood from undead kraken tentacles 12:57:48 according to the ancient treaties 12:57:59 ...... 12:58:11 you can suck blood from regular kraken tentacles? 12:58:14 ah, ghost loading in abyss is specifically disabled 12:58:15 idk 12:58:19 @??kraken tentacle 12:58:19 unknown monster: "kraken tentacle" 12:58:24 @??tentacle 12:58:24 tentacle (13w) | Spd: 17 (07stationary) | HD: 12 | HP: 39-58 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Dam: 29 | amphibious, cold-blooded, fly | Res: 13magic(immune), 12drown | XP: 0 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 12:58:29 cold-blooded 12:58:30 so probably 12:58:36 huh 12:58:46 also, what about ghosts that you banished? 12:58:49 so that's probably an incredibly silly bug 12:59:03 i have no idea how banished ghosts work, but it'd be through a different mechanism 12:59:06 like, if you banished 20 ghosts, you should expect to see them 12:59:12 when you go to abyss 12:59:58 although i wouldn't be surprised if there's funky interaction between the 'banished ghosts' code and the code for dudes who died in abyss 13:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:50 they'd use different codepaths 13:00:54 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:00:56 no bones files would be involved 13:01:00 for banished ghosts 13:01:08 %git 13:01:08 07Lasty02 * 0.19-a0-600-g387a89b: Flatten sack of spiders and box of beasts self-destruct chances (minmay) 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/387a89b803c0 13:01:24 huh 13:01:32 Apparently I accidentally reverted my items.txt changes 13:01:41 lol 13:01:49 love when that happens 13:01:51 git 2 strong... 13:02:07 i approve of the box/sack change btw 13:02:28 even if it makes them way shittier at low evo levels 13:02:45 also a fan of the nem changes 13:02:56 so far anyway 13:03:07 03Lasty02 07* 0.19-a0-601-gcff94a7: Check for box of beasts/sack of spiders destruction after success (PleasingFungus) 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 20+ 23-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cff94a712310 13:03:27 ??sack_of_spiders 13:03:27 sack of spiders[1/2]: When evoked, generates friendly spiders and webs. Has a 4 in (10+Evo) chance of self-destructing when used, and a 5 in (10+Evo) chance of having no effect. The kinds of spiders you get vary with evocations; at really high evocations you get the occasional ghost moth. 13:03:34 haha 13:03:42 i never even thought of that 13:04:09 !learn edit s/4 in $10\+Evo$ chance of self-destructing when used/1 in 3 chance of self-destructing after use/ 13:04:09 Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/// 13:04:10 destruction after a successful evoke is fun 13:04:20 !learn edit sack_of_spiders s/4 in $10\+Evo$ chance of self-destructing when used/1 in 3 chance of self-destructing after use/ 13:04:20 Use: !learn edit sack_of_spiders[NUM] s/// 13:04:27 !learn edit sack_of_spiders[1 s/4 in $10\+Evo$ chance of self-destructing when used/1 in 3 chance of self-destructing after use/ 13:04:28 sack of spiders[1/2]: When evoked, generates friendly spiders and webs. Has a 1 in 3 chance of self-destructing after use, and a 5 in (10+Evo) chance of having no effect. The kinds of spiders you get vary with evocations; at really high evocations you get the occasional ghost moth. 13:04:41 ??box_of_beasts 13:04:41 box of beasts[1/3]: When evoked, either self-destructs or generates a mutant beast. Chance of self-destructing when evoked is 5 in (10 + Evo). 13:05:26 does sack of spiders still give you ants at low evo? 13:05:41 !learn set box_of_beasts[1 When evoked, generates a mutant beast, then has a 1 in 3 chance of self-destructing. 13:05:42 box of beasts[1/3]: When evoked, generates a mutant beast, then has a 1 in 3 chance of self-destructing. 13:05:45 ProzacElf: yes 13:05:50 fr: bring back 'spiders' just to avoid ontological problems 13:05:52 ProzacElf: the power level of the summons is unchanges 13:05:54 unchanged 13:06:23 it's just a flat 1/3 now? 13:06:38 well, they seem more plentiful, so i can't bitch 13:06:41 yeah 13:06:58 if it's intended that ghosts shouldn't spawn in the abyss, probably should just add abyss with d1, d2, etc for the locations that can't make a ghost 13:07:05 but sure, it's kind of a silly bug 13:08:55 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-602-gb245719: Don't save abyss ghosts (johnstein) 10(24 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b245719adb2e 13:09:01 <|amethyst> %git 2a9ad8e9 13:09:01 07bh02 * 0.12-a0-2448-g2a9ad8e: Dungeon Levels in the Abyss 10(3 years, 3 months ago, 7 files, 188+ 42-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2a9ad8e90899 13:09:14 oh I fixed it 13:09:21 well. not really 13:09:25 ghost-fixed it 13:10:00 johnstein: i feel that banished ghosts still need to show up though! 13:10:02 <|amethyst> looks like it snuck into 0.12 13:10:05 feel free to remove any existing abyss ghost files, or move them into a separate home if you like 13:10:13 no idea if what you did actually affects that 13:10:14 <|amethyst> !seen bh 13:10:14 I last saw bh at Sat Jun 4 18:40:23 2016 UTC (6d 22h 29m 51s ago) saying 'rip typo' on ##crawl-dev. 13:10:37 ProzacElf, I actually didn't do anything. but looks like PF just stopped saving them when players died 13:10:57 banished ghosts don't generate bones files 13:11:13 well. banishing ghosts does not create bones files 13:11:15 !kw ghostly 13:11:16 Keyword: ghostly => !boring !won ktyp!= lg:place!=D:1 lg:place!=D:2 lg:place!=Temple !mu !gh !vp lg:status!~~lich 13:11:57 <|amethyst> banishing one and then dying on the same level of the abyss probably did create a bones file 13:12:00 <|amethyst> and does not now 13:12:23 PleasingFungus: i'm not sure what a bones file is in crawl? 13:12:25 <|amethyst> but that's consistent with the player not leaving ghosts there, so 13:12:29 |amethyst: hence my correction, yeah 13:12:33 i know what it is in *hack 13:13:02 ProzacElf: it's a very similar concept. the way that ghosts travel from one game to another is by being saved as a bones file and then loaded into a later agme 13:13:03 *game 13:13:27 <|amethyst> a bones file is generated when the player dies on a level; it stores a list of ghosts 13:13:32 ok, so it is basically the same but doesn't import the level data? 13:13:34 yeah 13:13:39 also it can store multiple ghosts 13:13:45 <|amethyst> when a level is generated, there is a chance to load a bones file 13:13:49 <|amethyst> for that level 13:13:50 makes sense 13:14:19 !kw ghostly !boring !won ktyp!= lg:place!=D:1 lg:place!=D:2 lg:place!=Temple lg:place!=abyss !mu !gh !vp lg:status!~~lich 13:14:20 Defined keyword: ghostly => !boring !won ktyp!= lg:place!=D:1 lg:place!=D:2 lg:place!=Temple lg:place!=abyss !mu !gh !vp lg:status!~~lich 13:14:34 also, fuck people who leave bones files where they pissed off the minetown priest 13:14:48 that is way worse than any crawl ghost trolling 13:14:49 "��U2 alfajor23 13:14:58 bones file from abyss:1 ^ 13:15:20 SpOoKy! 13:15:34 sounds like binary save data 13:15:38 !lg alfajor23 abyss:1 13:15:39 22. alfajor23 the Skirmisher (L1 DsAK of Lugonu), mangled by an orange demon on Abyss:1 on 2016-05-18 06:33:29, with 0 points after 137 turns and 0:02:28. 13:15:41 mm 13:15:45 i feel like that didn't display right in my client 13:16:03 did it render as broken ascii/mojibake? 13:16:15 yea 13:16:19 oh 13:16:45 lol, i got "��U2 alfajor23" 13:16:50 that's the one 13:17:15 although nice arabic symbols 13:17:41 <|amethyst> I didn't see any arabic there 13:17:42 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:01 <|amethyst> � (i umlaut) � (inverted question mark) and � (one half) 13:18:20 oh 13:18:24 i guess 13:18:33 surprised that there's abyss bones from may 2016 13:18:42 i was going to say that wasn't an upside-down ? 13:18:44 why? 13:19:05 for some reason I thought that once you got 27 ghosts for a floor, no more would save. looks like instead, it just goes back to 0 13:19:08 and overwrites them 13:19:38 <|amethyst> that is true within a game 13:19:38 !lg icer abyss:1 13:19:39 5. Icer the Skirmisher (L1 DsAK of Lugonu), slain by a thrashing horror on Abyss:1 on 2016-05-01 18:07:34, with 0 points after 93 turns and 0:00:18. 13:19:52 <|amethyst> hm 13:20:05 !lg braveplatypus abyss:1 13:20:06 705. braveplatypus the Skirmisher (L1 OgAK of Lugonu), quit the game on Abyss:1 on 2016-04-29 11:00:46, with 5 points after 77 turns and 0:00:38. 13:20:17 !messages 13:20:18 No messages for TZer0. 13:20:34 <|amethyst> hm, no, I do think johnstein's first thought looks right 13:20:56 <|amethyst> if (_list_bones().size() >= static_cast