00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:33 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-593-gf2cdb02 (34) 00:06:42 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:08:52 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:09:00 &rc qw 00:09:02 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/qw.rc 00:10:42 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:56 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:14:13 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:20:12 iron trolls are not susceptible to LRD? 00:21:47 nope 00:21:50 they're not actually made of iron 00:21:53 same with iron dragons 00:22:01 well, the lrdable iron 00:22:14 same deal with stone giaints 00:22:55 !lg * ke x=vlong 00:22:56 166514. [vlong=0.19-a0-585-ge40200b] qw the Severer (L11 TeBe of Trog), succumbed to Nergalle's poison on D:10 on 2016-06-10 04:03:10, with 12858 points after 11515 turns and 0:10:46. 00:23:03 !kw ke 00:23:04 Built-in: ke => crace=Tengu 00:23:17 !lg * race=Kenku x=vlong 00:23:19 45462. [vlong=] Poncheis the Gusty (L5 TeAE), blasted by an orc wizard (magic dart) on D:4 on 2012-12-25 05:13:30, with 343 points after 3325 turns and 0:18:56. 00:23:30 !lg * race=Kenku -log 00:23:33 45462. Poncheis, XL5 TeAE, T:3325: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.9/Poncheis/morgue-Poncheis-20121225-051330.txt 00:23:47 vlong is fairly recent 00:24:06 !lg * race=kenku x=v 00:24:09 45462. [v=0.9.1] Poncheis the Gusty (L5 TeAE), blasted by an orc wizard (magic dart) on D:4 on 2012-12-25 05:13:30, with 343 points after 3325 turns and 0:18:56. 00:24:21 !lg * race=tengu 1 x=v,vlong 00:24:23 1/121053. [v=0.10.0-a0;vlong=] Wark the Ruinous (L4 TeFE), killed by triggering an arrow trap on D:5 on 2011-11-06 11:24:15, with 215 points after 2356 turns and 0:10:40. 00:26:30 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:26:49 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:11 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:28:44 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:34:56 -!- Naruni has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:36:44 !lg * s=ktyp 00:36:51 5751461 games for *: 3538380x mon, 889820x beam, 538939x quitting, 317911x leaving, 291168x pois, 43629x winning, 31089x acid, 24552x cloud, 11388x disintegration, 9106x wild magic, 8664x starvation, 8310x trap, 5903x spore, 5661x burning, 4295x targeting, 3916x draining, 3288x water, 1917x rotting, 1907x something, 1714x curare, 1266x stupidity, 1160x bounce, 1078x targetting, 793x self aimed, 77... 00:38:16 !lg * ktyp=targeting 00:38:17 4295. Senri the Ruffian (L8 DrTm of The Shining One), killed themself with a badly aimed orb of electricity on D:6 on 2016-06-09 22:47:37, with 1866 points after 6800 turns and 0:34:00. 00:38:33 !lg * ktyp=something 00:38:34 1907. dolljuk the Slasher (L2 HESk), killed by a distortion unwield on D:1 (minivault_4) on 2016-06-09 10:48:15, with 16 points after 318 turns and 0:00:40. 00:38:41 good ktyps 00:38:57 i like the specific ktyp for curare 00:41:42 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:42:57 &rc dynast cbro trunk 00:42:58 ?rc Dynast cbro 00:43:03 &rc dynast trunk cbro 00:43:05 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-git/Dynast.rc 00:44:11 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:22 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:44:56 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:08 -!- Doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:55:04 -!- jbalthetto has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:58:35 -!- jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:45 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.19-a0-594-g235f30c: Tiles for Urug and Grinder 10(20 seconds ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/235f30cf0063 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:30 shit 01:00:35 ontoclasm: https://bsinthemidwest.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/grinder91.jpg belated art inspiration 01:00:50 You bite Grinder! 01:00:59 Mm. Delicious! 01:01:36 You continue eating your hoagie. x3 01:03:03 do you realise the changes between these tiles are now OFFICIAL CANON for the sexual dimorphism of shadow imps and orcs 01:03:27 actually, new headcanon. imps, like all demons, have no gender, grinder has just decided she is a she 01:03:54 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:04:10 fr: malmutate for gender 01:04:13 whats the canon hierarchy for uniques 01:04:22 You feel like a new woman! 01:04:36 like, if a unique has an ugly tile but the description says they're pretty, which are they 01:04:36 duvessa > grinder > * > boris 01:04:43 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:04:48 i don't mind which way you read that ordering 01:04:49 chequers: i looked at nergalle and for whatever reason she has like 01:04:59 i was thinking 01:04:59 slightly different ears from other orcs 01:05:04 so i gave urug the same ears 01:05:12 statement from dev that made the unique > description > my dreams > tile 01:05:12 hahaha 01:05:15 :biotruths: 01:05:36 they probably help with balancing and accuracy 01:05:53 so if i dream that dowan has green hair, that becomes canon 01:06:08 but if i dream that he's ugly it doesn't, because the description supercedes that 01:06:15 but who made cerebov?? 01:06:23 linley maybe 01:06:28 what if the person called dowan on the forum says something about dowan 01:06:42 when did cerebov stop being trog or whatever 01:08:09 fun fact, the ktyp wild_magic used to be 'wild magic' 01:08:43 ? 01:09:16 it's not a fun fact, it's some bullshit you have to deal with when you decide to write a scoreboard 01:09:23 thanks crawl 01:09:45 !lg * ktyp=wild_magic 01:09:46 9106. Melan the Covered (L5 MiFi of Lugonu), killed by a spatial distortion on D:3 on 2016-06-09 18:58:09, with 179 points after 1507 turns and 0:04:08. 01:09:50 !lg * ktyp="wild magic" 01:09:51 9106. Melan the Covered (L5 MiFi of Lugonu), killed by a spatial distortion on D:3 on 2016-06-09 18:58:09, with 179 points after 1507 turns and 0:04:08. 01:09:56 ?? 01:10:08 sequell automatically converts stuff 01:10:21 but if you look in old raw logfiles, you'll see :ktyp=wild magic: 01:10:22 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-594-g235f30c (34) 01:11:11 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:11:12 hey i got to remove ~5 lines from my Secret List 01:11:19 hooray? 01:11:47 chequers: nice 01:11:49 ontoclasm: ? 01:12:00 anything you're allowed to talk about 01:12:02 or is it all secret 01:12:04 not to you 01:12:09 I know because he tells cool people 01:12:37 it's the list of tiles i want to replace 01:12:44 uh oh 01:12:52 it is unpleasantly long 01:12:58 is it technically a secret list if it's just a directory listing of rltiles/ 01:13:02 :Y 01:13:16 and it even only includes monsters 01:13:25 the player is the real monster 01:13:28 it'd probably be 5 times the size if i included items etc. 01:14:06 shock serpent!! small aboms!! giant eyeball!! electric golem!! wisp!! crawling corpses/masses!! hungry ghost!! shadow wraith!! harold!! tiamat!! boggart!! orb guardian!! is the highest priority section 01:14:10 if you make a cacodemon without the victory pose or a green death without the belly + tongue, we can't be friends 01:14:21 orb guardian... is good.... 01:14:35 orb guardian is... 01:14:39 have you seen the shadow on it 01:14:43 i just imagine orb guardian is dad trying to do a YMCA dance 01:14:43 no? 01:14:56 tiamat I agree 01:14:59 not very epic tile 01:15:07 oh 01:15:17 ontoclasm: please add entropy weavers to that 01:15:17 i suppose that hierarchy i came up with means that canonically boris wants to kill me in real life 01:15:22 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/orb_guardian.png 01:15:27 crawl canon is a scary place 01:15:29 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:15:34 since i had a dream about that once 01:15:44 ontoclasm: i guess it's... toward the player? but not really? 01:15:46 man that's confusing 01:15:54 gammafunk: they're on there in one of the lower priorities 01:16:00 nice 01:16:03 the right is going toward the viewer, the left is... who knows 01:16:14 except I'd like a priority bump, but sometimes you can't have nice things 01:16:18 everyone knows that you should cast shadows in the direction where they'll be cut off after 2 pixels 01:16:23 that's just good graphic design 01:16:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:42 !lg * 01:16:44 5751617. qw the Cleaver (L10 CeBe of Trog), slain by qw's ghost on D:9 on 2016-06-10 05:16:23, with 5209 points after 10443 turns and 0:09:16. 01:17:06 beauty 01:17:14 it might be cool to see an orb guardian design that went away from the reference to the glyph 01:17:17 gammafunk: it's a major step, but i'll do it... but only because it's you 01:17:22 ontoclasm: <3 01:17:38 the art style of that tile isn't really a crawl art style 01:17:51 not that I could do better 01:17:52 who made the entropy weaver? 01:17:58 looks like roc maybe 01:18:03 that one guy who was making a ton of weird patches 01:18:07 that didn't get accepted, so he left 01:18:14 hm 01:18:15 implemented an abyssal unique 01:18:18 oh 01:18:20 the card guy 01:18:21 it might be cool to see an orb guardian design that went away from the reference to the glyph 01:18:23 the card unique guy 01:18:34 who was that guy. 01:18:37 -!- Alcopop has quit [Client Quit] 01:18:38 what if it was like 01:18:41 a floating baby 01:18:47 that wouldn't be a reference to the glyph 01:18:51 and it would be suitably weird 01:18:51 innovative 01:18:53 what if 01:19:03 terrifying pink baby doll 01:19:03 it was a rendition of minmay, which we'd need 01:19:11 to remember minmay, since we just banned him from tavern? 01:19:16 whoa 01:19:31 like no good reason, just "here's a new orb guardian tile and we banned minmay" 01:19:36 in my crawl canon, minmay looks exactly like the current harold tile. 01:19:40 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:19:55 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-594-g235f30c (34) 01:19:58 "something something tone" 01:21:14 I wonder how may tiles were just glyph references early on 01:21:16 I do wear a lot of green but I'm thinner and my elbow doesn't bend backwards 01:21:18 probably not that many, I guess 01:21:29 gammafunk: none 01:23:33 i like the idea of orb guardian as something that coud literally smother-hug the orb 01:25:49 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 01:27:12 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:29:06 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:29:37 -!- aiena has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:34:05 -!- Klaymen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:36:19 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:45:40 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:46:15 -!- eb_ has quit [] 01:50:26 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:50:27 The build passed. (master - 235f30c #5852 : ontoclasm): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/136610078 01:50:27 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:56:10 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-594-g235f30c 01:57:09 2016-06-09 18:00:51,418 INFO: #1976 P942 ERR: Unable to open lock file "/opt/dgl-chroot/var/gamedata 01:57:12 /dcss-0.18/save/cache.0.18.1-1-g2f07953/des/sprint_zigsprint.lk": No such file or directory 01:57:15 again! 01:57:22 and for a game build that definitely wasn't changing at the time 01:59:51 <|amethyst> do you not do rebuilds of stable branches? 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:07 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.18 02:00:07 07|amethyst02 * 0.18.1-8-gdd0e5ea: Avoid an uninitialized variable warning. 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dd0e5eaaca86 02:02:10 <|amethyst> hm, I guess not 02:02:13 <|amethyst> oh, this is weird 02:02:21 <|amethyst> /opt/dgl-chroot/ 02:02:43 <|amethyst> makes sense that it wouldn't be able to find that, since it's presumably running chrooted 02:03:14 I thought cpo didn't actually 02:03:20 <|amethyst> oh 02:03:25 -!- JimmahDean has quit [] 02:03:32 but it does say "dgl-chroot" so I'm just confused 02:05:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:05:34 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:06:45 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:07:08 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:08:12 -!- xodahs has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:09:29 |amethyst: yeah no auto rebuilds for 0.18 02:10:07 webtiles server doesn't run chrooted 02:12:19 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:15:02 -!- maxonian is now known as maxonian_ 02:16:16 -!- maxonian_ is now known as maxonian 02:21:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:23:13 is there a way to quickly (ie kb shortcut) try a bunch of different syntax highlighting in sublime text to see which one seems to best apply? 02:23:51 <|amethyst> ##sublimetext could probably help more than we could 02:24:00 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25:44 <|amethyst> probably some people here use it, but I doubt it's a very large fraction 02:26:12 oh nice, didn't realize their team lives on this network, thanks 02:26:16 <|amethyst> well 02:26:20 <|amethyst> it's an unofficial channel 02:26:23 ## suggests they dont 02:26:58 yeah, chequers has told me I do things the wrong way for effectively checking out and working on a git repo, but I haven't the foggiest idea how to do it better 02:27:02 although we use ## and afaik this group is the closest to an official crawl organization as exists :) 02:27:09 sublime text works well enough for now 02:27:27 olscumpy, obviously vim 02:27:32 <|amethyst> oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about sublime text 02:27:37 :) 02:28:26 also, is that what the ## means? "this should be considered an unofficial room"? 02:28:31 yes 02:28:50 # is reserved for official organizations that can claim to own the thing the channel is about 02:28:51 never knew that. thought it had something to do with hiding the room from searches... or something 02:29:16 people break the rules regularly. because applying to be an organization is a hassle 02:29:21 <|amethyst> that's more +ps 02:29:22 (although that's at best dubious for something like #math) 02:29:38 and for your trouble you get... nice cloaks for your org? meh 02:29:42 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:30:12 I think that's actually disjoint from the # vs ## 02:30:33 <|amethyst> hm 02:30:59 and as far as I know the policy for # vs ## is there just to avoid turf wars over channel names 02:31:15 <|amethyst> the policy sounds a lot simpler now than it used to be 02:31:42 <|amethyst> "Primary channels, which begin with a single # character, are reserved for on-topic projects. If you’d like to take over one of these channels, then you’ll need to be associated in some way with the project in question." 02:31:56 hiding rooms from searches is a channel flag btw 02:32:30 |amethyst: that whole policy seems a bit spacey to me 02:32:43 <|amethyst> gammafunk: they're actually soft hyphens apparently 02:32:48 they switched over to a knowledge base / cheap wiki and seem to have lost a lot of content in the process 02:34:23 but then, they've had several upheavals and are probably still putting things back together policy-wise; cf https://freenode.net/news/the-new-policies 02:34:24 <|amethyst> looking at their repo 02:34:45 <|amethyst> policies.md itself doesn't have the soft-hyphens 02:34:55 <|amethyst> so I guess those are getting added later, which is good 02:37:09 -!- maxonian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:39:41 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:44:14 speaking of md, I wonder if there was a way we could move the manual to md and still have the build work for converting it to text 02:44:36 We have a simple perl script to de-rst the manual right now, I think 02:44:48 converting and cleaningup the md is easy enough, but I think we'd need that as well 02:45:06 that being a was to convert to txt without introducing some dependancy 02:45:35 hrm, although...does github already have a rst-aware editor? 02:47:23 well, we're not actually gaining much by having the manual on the doku wiki, it seems 02:48:32 the best thing to do might be to simply move the rst file permanently into the repo and remove the use of the make rule 02:48:43 er the make rule that does the fetching 02:49:30 -!- joy1999 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:50:53 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:50:57 Maybe I'll ask MPA about this tomorrow; the benefit of the old system was an online editor, but we do have that now through github 02:53:21 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:54:13 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-594-g235f30c 02:55:11 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I would suggest migrating to markdown too, but that probably involves adding a build-time dependency unless someone wants to write their own converter 02:56:02 <|amethyst> %git ffa7a02e 02:56:02 07kilobyte02 * 0.9-a1-770-gffa7a02: Build the manual from reST source. 10(4 years, 11 months ago, 6 files, 3327+ 3256-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ffa7a02ef0a3 02:56:41 <|amethyst> not sure what the situation was before that 02:56:52 <|amethyst> that's just slightly before my time 02:57:28 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 02:57:30 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:57:47 -!- sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:59:56 yeah there's maybe not a simple script we can just import 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:38 but github.com makes editing the manual online very easy for outside help, and I'm sure most devs are fine with editing in the repo through their editors 03:00:42 for the rst one 03:02:15 -!- joy1999 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:04:04 -!- joy19999 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:05:43 <|amethyst> yeah 03:06:47 <|amethyst> I suggested markdown because then github gives us a web-viewable version for free 03:06:57 <|amethyst> rather than having to export from the repo back to the wiki 03:07:21 <|amethyst> (or to wherever) 03:08:02 <|amethyst> I was thinking they had a GUI markdown editor on the "Edit" button but apparently not 03:09:05 <|amethyst> s/ton but/ton, but/ 03:09:52 |amethyst: I think if you use the right file extension, github can preview it: https://github.com/gammafunk/webtiles/blob/master/README.rst 03:10:04 <|amethyst> oh, hm 03:10:04 I have to make rst for python packaging 03:10:24 but I noticed that it previewed it fine 03:11:04 <|amethyst> maybe we should rename our file 03:12:15 <|amethyst> hm 03:12:26 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-594-g235f30c (34) 03:12:31 <|amethyst> can't find documentation on what extensions they recognise 03:12:42 <|amethyst> but apparently having any markup errors will also prevent preview 03:16:14 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:18:14 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 03:19:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:19:42 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:22:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:22:42 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:29:42 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:31:04 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:31:38 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:33:48 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:40:26 gammafunk: pandoc converts rst<->md just fine, but doesn't handle dokuwiki format super well 03:40:50 also, github can show rst files too, I'm pretty sure, but yes the support is second class 03:49:49 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:52:24 see above, it does show them but as |amethyst said it may not render previews if you have parsing errors 03:52:55 and I'm aware that pandoc can convert, but the issue is introducing that as a dependancy for the build 03:54:04 also when I did the pandoc conversion there were problems, so even then we'd need to fix up some things manually, but I think the best solution is probably just to keep rest and rename the file to the right extension that github can recognize 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:53 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: poof!] 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13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10489 by Le_Nerd 05:30:06 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:34:14 Gotta say, dispersal ammo in the hands of enemies was pretty fun. 05:36:56 -!- glaas has quit [Client Quit] 05:43:52 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:53:17 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:13:54 -!- Gilihad has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:18:22 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 46.0.1/20160502172042]] 06:25:44 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:26:11 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 06:36:10 -!- Gilihad_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:39:20 -!- mango_lives has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:52:03 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:52:14 -!- yesno_ is now known as yesno 06:54:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:20 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 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(Orc:2) 09:15:27 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:16:08 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:53 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:40:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:45:40 -!- Crauler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:53:16 -!- maxonian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:55:48 !lg * ikiller~~melai 09:55:48 No games for * (ikiller~~melai). 09:56:06 !lg * ikiller~~meliai 09:56:07 10. murphy the Agent of Entropy (L12 DsAK of Lugonu), blasted by a meliai (divine providence) on D:14 on 2016-06-10 13:53:11, with 20293 points after 14354 turns and 0:49:43. 09:56:16 !lg * ikiller~~meliai s=place 09:56:17 10 games for * (ikiller~~meliai): 2x D:13, 2x D:7, 2x Lair:6, 2x D:14, D:10, Lair:4 09:57:48 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:44 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [] 09:59:05 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:01 -!- jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:06 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:12:12 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:16:19 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:18:33 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:35:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39:58 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:41 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:51 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:43:41 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:45:09 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Client Quit] 10:48:18 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:48:19 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:50:44 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:53:22 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:05 -!- docnvk has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:08:46 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:12:12 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:32 -!- olscumpy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:16:34 -!- Demise_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:21:19 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:21:56 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:23:47 god 11:23:54 so many people want Norris back 11:29:40 -!- joy1999 has quit [Quit: Http://www.ZeroIRC.NET �� Zero IRC �� Ver 2.9G] 11:30:46 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:08 Norris was our friend 11:32:13 he just wanted to give us a hug 11:33:20 clearly he should come back with his surfboard in Zot 11:41:48 -!- Idolo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:49:13 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:49:23 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:07 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:50:56 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:57:16 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:59:37 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:00:01 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:00 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:52 -!- Luca_Blight has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:15:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:05 -!- Nattefrost1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:26:08 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:41 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:54 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:30:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:32:05 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:42:28 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:25 -!- broquain1 is now known as broquaint 12:44:14 -!- lynn has quit [] 12:45:30 -!- Mekire has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:48:06 !tell pleasingfungus is it intentional that transference automatically targets you, rather than any monsters? i use it on monsters frequently and myself almost never so it's sort of annoying, dunno if using it on yourself is more common for others though 12:48:06 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 12:49:21 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:51:55 -!- doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:58:24 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:58 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:07 MarvinPA: no 13:01:07 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:01:14 hm 13:01:16 at least i don't think so 13:01:20 aha 13:01:43 !source _get_transference_target 13:01:43 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc#l7099 13:01:51 i think that just happens because it's allowed to target you? 13:01:54 idk 13:05:49 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-594-g235f30c (34) 13:10:20 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:10:30 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:13:47 -!- Leszczynek has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:14:28 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:45 hmm, i wonder how reasonable it'd be to always display the ancestor in the console monster list 13:18:34 could maybe get away with it for a fixed single ally, would be nice to always be able to see hp at a glance 13:20:18 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:28:02 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:20 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:34:18 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:40:00 -!- ada482 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:41:51 -!- Loup_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:43:34 -!- NotKat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:44:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:57:30 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:34 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:01:04 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:10:10 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:30 -!- lvh has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:18:22 -!- OrphineM has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:18:26 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:22:44 ??objstat 14:22:44 objstat[1/2]: Run with "crawl -objstat" in a build of crawl with EXTERNAL_FLAGS_L=-DDEBUG_STATISTICS in your make command (or full debug with "make debug") to generate item/monsters statistics. See crawl -help for the argument details. 14:22:49 ??objstat[2 14:22:49 objstat[2/2]: Latest spreadsheets for past releases and trunk (0.19 coming soon): https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing , See the README for details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D5mFqVi8ghz_nzvVmDUc3unx8VanVBWfgvZ8xCHaiJo/edit?usp=sharing 14:23:09 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:23:20 !learn edit objstat[2] s/0.19 coming soon/0.19-a0-594-g235f30c/ 14:23:21 objstat[2/2]: Latest spreadsheets for past releases and trunk (0.19-a0-594-g235f30c): https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing , See the README for details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D5mFqVi8ghz_nzvVmDUc3unx8VanVBWfgvZ8xCHaiJo/edit?usp=sharing 14:24:52 -!- klighting has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:25:51 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:39 709590.05 vs 904253.35 14:31:39 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:39 TotalGhoulNutr in Lair in 0.19 vs 0.18 14:31:40 uh oh 14:31:40 finally, the numbers we needed... 14:31:40 Gh needed the nerf... 14:31:40 i await the 10-page cyc thread complaining about that 14:31:40 if only we could be so lucky 14:32:09 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:19 Krusk (L27 MiMo) ASSERT(shop) in 'godabil.cc' at line 4622 failed. (Depths:4) 14:32:31 how much lower is it 14:32:48 MarvinPA: thanks for locking the thread. It was time (or maybe past time. 14:32:49 i'd say 14:33:06 about 904253 - 709590 lower 14:33:11 roughly! 14:33:26 wow 14:33:46 and basically none of that matters because ghoul max nutrition is lower than other species and they're carnivorous 14:34:05 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:26 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:39:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-595-gdd6fc96: Don't let blowguns be artefacts 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 4+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dd6fc96bd02c 14:39:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-596-geb0cc64: Remove the evasion ego 10(20 hours ago, 12 files, 19+ 54-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb0cc642f598 14:39:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-597-gb0b679e: Adjust ranged weapon brand distribution 10(20 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b0b679e5b9e6 14:40:12 More great commits! 14:40:31 I've been really excited about all the stuff we've been doing with 0.18 14:40:33 er 0.19 14:40:44 i no longer know what excitement feels like 14:40:48 Lasty's true preferences revealed! 14:40:52 is it like a sort of tingling sensation 14:40:57 Only has love for amulets... 14:41:08 is it focused in some specific extremity or organelle? 14:41:18 PleasingFungus: It's sort of like a combination between hungry and full. 14:41:26 satiated...? 14:41:30 I'm so engorged right now... 14:41:44 No, no, not the middle point, both sides at once 14:42:14 You feel engorged! You are fainting from engorgement! 14:42:15 what if you were very hungry and very full 14:42:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:43:31 yes, along those lines 14:43:34 try to visualize it 14:45:29 i'm pretty sure this is one of the paths to enlightenment 14:47:22 why is it "Welcome back to a labyrinth!" 14:47:33 speaking of hunger levels, does anyone have thoughts on: http://sprunge.us/EAhG (could do with all those duplicated checks being tidied up) 14:47:37 rather than "Welcome to the labyrinth!" 14:48:01 i was originally thinking of letting them transform at all hunger levels to kill off another row of the blood table but that seemed maybe too ambitious 14:48:14 it was possible to visit multiple labyrinths in one game 14:48:35 MarvinPA: seems fine, i don't have strong opinions 14:51:38 also i won with a hexer and my hexer feedback is: it's pretty good i guess! i was very surprised by the things it was able to affect, stuff i wouldn't expect to be able to affect as a player hexer reliably 14:51:59 i imagine that's partly because the attempts are free 14:52:10 -!- klightning has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:53:53 -!- serq has quit [Quit: und weg...] 14:54:11 possibly something about how monster hex power is calculated? 14:54:12 idk 14:55:12 -!- klig has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:55:55 huh, when you change your ancestor name it retroactively updates it in your notes for past milestones 14:55:59 very on-theme 14:56:08 awesome 14:56:35 !log MarvinPA hep 14:56:36 2. MarvinPA, XL27 DsGl, T:73385: http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/MarvinPA/morgue-MarvinPA-20160610-180558.txt 14:56:59 ☃... 14:57:06 now that's a classic bit of unicode 14:57:08 proto-emoji 14:57:29 what was the 'weird spell' you were talking about in elf? 14:57:43 the earth elemental thing 14:57:48 heh 14:59:35 !kw gsmasterion vlong>=0.19-a0-526-gbe2e51c 14:59:36 Defined keyword: gsmasterion => vlong>=0.19-a0-526-gbe2e51c 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:10 MarvinPA: I love the idea of letting vampires do more things at Satiated -- the distance between Full and Thirsty is so far, and it'd be nice for the middle ground to be a little more friendly. 15:05:14 ??piety 15:05:15 piety[1/6]: With your current god, you have a piety number nominally from 1-200. If your piety reaches 0, you are excommunicated. piety[2] describes piety and penance. piety[3] describes piety growth in general. piety[4] describes piety growth for each god. piety[5] describes uses of piety. 15:09:51 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:10:16 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-597-gb0b679e (34) 15:10:38 Casting lichform while wielding a holy and fragile weapon instantly destroys the weapon 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10490 by eliotn 15:11:16 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:11:20 lmao 15:13:01 wait, why is that notification coming up just now? i swear i heard about that a day or two ago 15:13:08 (10490 i mean) 15:14:17 it was literally just posted 15:14:22 so probably you heard it on irc? 15:14:31 oh 15:14:36 in gdd 15:14:53 he added it as an aside to a completely unrelated post 15:15:07 Do people think that fragile works well? 15:15:23 I thought it was kind of neat at first but I've come to see it as a Bad Idea 15:15:26 howso? 15:15:33 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:36 one sec, heating up milk 15:15:55 er... 15:19:01 i think Fragile items are, most of the time, either equivalent to a non-Fragile item (because it's so good i never want to take it off), or might as well not have been placed at all - it's half-decent as a swap, maybe, but since i can't swap it it's not useful 15:19:32 it doesn't add interesting strategic or tactical depth, because it's clear pretty easily which of those two categories 15:19:50 Ok, in addition to what amalloy said, another thing I don't like is how it basically introduces this "gotcha" game wrt identification 15:20:02 i dunno 15:20:23 i think the wear-id gotcha is a little annoying, but then you realize you were either never going to wear it anyway, or never going to take it off 15:20:30 so it doesn't really matter that it was fragile 15:20:34 "haha you didn't identify it first, so you get some drain/contam/curse" is less offensive to me than simply "haha you didn't ID it first so now because of the item and how you have just worn it means it will not actually exist" 15:20:43 why is that less offensive? 15:20:56 "oh nooooo, ijyb is a girl now!" 15:21:01 i realize it drives some people insane but i seriously don't get where they're coming from on that one 15:21:02 which you can't tell at all unless you read the description 15:21:07 it's more like an item mimic 15:21:11 item mimics were bad 15:21:13 oh 15:21:21 see, that explains a lot 15:21:23 :P 15:21:24 which is driving people insane? 15:21:26 fragile? 15:21:31 no, ProzacElf 15:21:32 ProzacElf: ijyb has always been girl. we've always been at war with oceania 15:21:42 amalloy: would you argue that *drain and *contam are equally no-brainers? 15:21:43 I'm being driven insane by elves on prozac 15:21:57 PleasingFungus: no, because you can swap those if it's an important swap 15:22:07 i don't mind putting on, say, my rCorr *Drain ring for slime 15:22:18 with *contam you do have !cancel, I guess 15:22:21 although the same would probably be true for Fragile, since slime is once-only 15:22:23 why wouldn't you put on an rcorr *fragile fring for slime? 15:22:25 yeah 15:22:29 *corrode is just the literal worst though, because god that effect 15:22:35 lol 15:22:46 I would probably add *confuse to that but *corrode is even worse 15:22:47 i'm glad it's working gammafunk 15:23:08 or like rPois *Drain for spider 15:23:10 i've never been that bothered by *corrode 15:23:19 and then there are still some other places in the game where i'd want rPois badly enough to take a little drain 15:23:22 but i've never really worn it much when i didn't already have great AC 15:23:28 I haven't when I've simply decided "don't use *corrode items" 15:23:59 it seems like not using *fragile items 'because they'll break when you take them off' is like not using consumables 15:24:02 yeah that's the thing, if you don't melee or have AC, it's about as interesting as "this mallus has no effect on me" 15:24:16 "mallus"........ 15:24:26 I'm talking about *corrode 15:24:33 i'm talking with amalloy 15:24:44 and also making fun of your spelling 15:24:46 and word choice 15:24:54 well good job there 15:25:05 ty 15:25:09 yw 15:25:09 PleasingFungus: sure, if fragile items are useful exactly once it's fine. like i put on a Fragile "rage once 15:25:21 to berserk in an elf killhole 15:25:24 heh 15:25:30 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:32 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:25:37 but consumables stack 15:25:40 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:45 yeah that wasn't my goal for *fragile 15:25:47 i can't carry around every shitty Fragile item just in case it might be useful 15:25:49 it was more a variant on ash 15:25:55 the idea of soft-locking yourself into a slot 15:26:08 Turning equipment into consumables doesn't sound like the best 'design space' if that's the one it's filling 15:26:19 like, you put the best thing you can into there, and maybe you might want to swap it later, but then you have to make a Hard Choice 15:26:44 soft-locking the weapon slot is probably the most fun 15:26:51 I wonder if you could somehow keep the idea of a hard swap like *drain/*contam without destroying the item 15:26:58 but that's probably a bit hard to do 15:27:12 yeah 15:27:21 people suggested adding durability or w/e, but that seems lame 15:27:24 I'm always disappointed when I get a good vampiric weapon 15:27:32 since that means no more rod usage 15:27:38 PleasingFungus: it doesn't really work for rings, because you can swap the other one. and it doesn't really worth for armour slots, because you can't really swap those anyway, so upgrades are generally permanent even without Fragile 15:27:39 or tactical weapon swapping 15:27:47 amalloy: i'm pretty sure armour can't spawn with fragile 15:27:50 for exactly that reason 15:27:50 for weapons or amulets it might kinda work 15:28:03 yep 15:28:21 i'd be ok with banning rings for fragile 15:28:34 well 15:28:34 in principle there are situations where you really want two swappable ring slots but i agree it's less common 15:28:41 ~all of the Fragile stuff i actually use is rings 15:28:45 heh 15:29:00 for amulets we already discourage swapping 15:29:11 so it'd really just be a weapon thing 15:29:12 well *drain and *contam exist 15:29:14 I've used a fragile weapon a few times 15:29:17 on amulets, don't they? 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