00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:59 not possible to do that for BATTLEMAGE,, so rename that class please, fungus 00:01:22 hrm, where would I look in a save file to see if an unrand has generated? 00:04:47 <|amethyst> gammafunk: are you okay with loading the save into crawl and using a debugger? 00:04:54 |amethyst: sure 00:05:52 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:06:12 <|amethyst> p you.unique_items.mData[UNRAND_VITALITY] 00:06:38 <|amethyst> will give you UNIQ_NOT_EXISTS, UNIQ_EXISTS, or UNIQ_LOST_IN_ABYSS 00:07:37 <|amethyst> won't work for octoring 00:07:49 <|amethyst> for that you'll have to check you.octopus_king_rings 00:07:57 <|amethyst> for the count 00:08:15 <|amethyst> (won't work in that it will always say UNIQ_NOT_EXITS) 00:08:53 gotcha 00:10:17 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-585-ge40200b (34) 00:14:02 -!- punpun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:15:47 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:20:51 -!- argent0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:22:16 -!- alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:26:38 |amethyst: and that can't say where a given unrand was generated, can it? 00:26:42 just that it was generated? 00:27:04 <|amethyst> yeah 00:27:49 <|amethyst> if it was destroyed then information about where it was generated is probably lost 00:28:00 <|amethyst> if it still exists, that information exists 00:28:48 <|amethyst> (in item.orig_place) 00:28:50 -!- Sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:30:03 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-585-ge40200b (34) 00:30:48 is it possible to disable the new shock targetter? it's really slow since I have to find it and re-aim it all the time 00:30:57 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:38:18 -!- Laptop_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:42:22 |amethyst: hrm, if you.octopus_king_rings has a value of 255, what does that mean? 00:42:31 rchandra: you can use r or = to set it to a predictable place 00:42:35 oh, it's a bit field isn't it 00:43:00 How does reverting form work with that emergency flight mechanic? 00:43:14 "Not"? 00:43:15 that's something I guess, amalloy. still annoying that it doesn't even remember where I aimed it 00:43:36 the old version never did either 00:43:46 if you aimed at a wall 00:43:56 (which you usually should) 00:47:05 -!- FireSight has quit [] 00:47:53 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:48:27 !vault dancing_weapons_uskayaw 00:48:28 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/overflow.des#l2343 00:48:30 this vault needs no_mon_gen 00:48:36 for the X part 00:49:47 sure, but it was predictable. on the plus side it does sometimes find bizaps that I wouldn't 00:52:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53:17 chequers: company for the weapons 00:54:21 72. 0 ??Fi-00 nibbled to death by software bugs (D:$) 00:54:26 wonder what that one was 00:54:38 in the 0.18 cbro game record 00:58:03 -!- home__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:58:32 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:43:44 saves!?! 02:49:14 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:49:26 !won gammafunk muck 02:49:26 No games for gammafunk (muck). 02:53:02 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:55:50 zxc: like you can beat those wads on UV without saves, fat chance 02:56:20 I don't know the custom ones but I can do doom1 and 2 :P 02:56:30 yeah doom1 and 2 way easier than those 02:56:50 I never got into other wads 02:56:59 but I've played the originals to death 02:57:11 those I listed are definitely worth checking out if you enjoyed doom a lot 02:57:20 they're also really easy to load/play 02:57:43 I'll try to remember to check this chatlog when I next load up doom 02:57:52 bit of a long shot 02:57:59 If you've played plutonia, those are harder than that, but they vary in difficutly of course 02:58:21 if you haven't played plutonia, the deffo start there, since that was an official Id release 02:58:28 I don't think I have 02:58:34 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:58:58 Yeah try that one, although it is a commercial wad, it's a good intro to harder wads before you jump up to those 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:37 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:23:14 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 03:23:37 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-585-ge40200b (34) 03:25:41 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:30:04 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:31:21 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:44:53 -!- nothus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:47:41 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:50:47 -!- Demise_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:59:43 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:12:32 Static discharge angers demonic guardian 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10486 by rchandra 04:13:39 -!- Wahaha has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:23:06 -!- Naruni has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:24:04 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:33:54 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:35:22 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:38:37 -!- Nasst has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:18 you know how on github.com, the main page, you can see a "feed" of alllllll the activity from repos, peopleos that you are following? 05:01:51 what if I want to just look at issues, not all the commits and merges which are relatively spammy 05:01:57 is that a can be done? 05:09:23 -!- removeeyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:10:46 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 05:12:35 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:14:33 -!- jafet has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 05:23:03 -!- amalloy is now known as 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I thought I should say that. 13:29:00 -!- joy1999 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:29:31 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-585-ge40200b (34) 13:31:19 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:36:41 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:39:07 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:40:15 -!- Amphouse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:43:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:44:19 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:45:21 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-586-g38e1428: Shorten Lair to 6 floors 10(9 days ago, 11 files, 65+ 65-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/38e14289646d 13:45:21 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-587-gb6148b5: Shorten Slime to 5 floors 10(9 days ago, 4 files, 22+ 22-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b6148b5347da 13:45:21 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-588-g558a077: Don't generate plain jellies in Slime 10(21 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/558a077cadd5 13:46:22 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:50 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Client Quit] 13:47:14 -!- removeelyvilon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:47:55 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:20 Is it intended that sniper needs 28 skill or min delay? 13:48:27 f* 13:48:27 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:49:01 no 13:49:01 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:49:04 !mantis 10415 13:49:05 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10415 13:49:28 oh so it was already reported 13:49:34 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:50:06 yeah, known but not easy to fix (relative to how minor an issue it is, i guess) 13:50:15 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:50:36 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51:31 What about bare-chested Urug/Snorg? 13:53:16 no clue, iirc ontoclasm was around when they were changed or during the discussion so he may be planning to work on new tiles at some point 13:53:16 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:55:02 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:20 Nice. I don't know the reason for the change, but it struck me weird that you chose Ijyb... Robin is female, so why not have 1 male and 1 female goblin unique 13:56:04 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:56:12 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:56:32 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:56:53 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 13:57:27 -!- Lohengramm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:57:32 Should I report blood armour not working in spider form on mantis? 13:57:54 iirc it's intentional (spider form doesn't have blood) 13:58:24 huh, that's weir. ik they don't have blood like mammals, but it's close enough 13:58:36 don't all the scale mutations not work with spider form 13:58:42 save maybe repulsive field 13:58:53 -!- Lohengramm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:43 I gleefully await forgetting that Lair's last two floors no longer exist and being confused when I stumble into an ending vault on Lair:6 14:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:54 I am somewhat concerned that if you keep shortening "relatively easy" branches, how do you get stronger to face the more difficult ones? 14:02:29 right now the only difficult branch is D and there aren't any branches before it to shorten, so I doubt that concern will ever be relevant 14:03:11 we aren't all so blessed with skill as you are 14:04:00 look, "difficulty argument" is just as much a waste of time as tone argument. if crawl somehow ends up too hard there are a lot of ways to make it easier that don't involve keeping bad content 14:05:20 okay I guess 14:06:02 no harm, no foul 14:06:27 I wasn't expecting it from you since your irc nick is about removing a powerful god :P 14:07:19 yes, and keep a close eye on Trog, too 14:09:28 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:09:29 MarvinPA: uh, wouldn't it be better to try to keep Lair:1 closer to as it is and just compress Lair into 6 levels rather than chopping off the first two? 14:09:42 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 14:10:11 MarvinPA: the gap between D:8 and new Lair:1 is going to be pretty large, I already nearly always went down to D:11 before entering Lair 14:10:27 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-588-g558a077 (34) 14:11:01 hmm, i guess true for earlier lairs yeah 14:11:52 I had the impression that the motivation for shortening Lair was more "8 is a large number" rather than "Lair:1-2 are too easy" 14:11:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:59 !lg * recent lair s=place 14:13:00 29894 games for * (recent lair): 8816x Lair:1, 4422x Lair:2, 4033x Lair:3, 3454x Lair:8, 2805x Lair:4, 2304x Lair:5, 2063x Lair:6, 1997x Lair:7 14:13:06 right, that was my thinking mainly 14:13:07 ^this man understands the common people ;D 14:13:24 ^ and that seems to support my belief that Lair:1 was already plenty hard 14:14:16 i think i brought up before that when the subbranches were shortened they were compressed rather than having the first floor cut off, and a few people then thought that the latter would be a better approach 14:14:45 but yeah i can see that it makes sense to just compress it for lair 14:16:05 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:16:46 of course compressing is harder, I'm not sure exactly what the simplest way is of changing mon-pick-data.h to get compression 14:17:11 -!- Doll has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:21:35 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:21:51 oh, also it looks like you accidentally made polar bears more common by leaving the old entry in as well as adding a depth-shifted one :P 14:22:35 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:23:36 oh huh, it actually looks like they used to have two entries too 14:23:58 oh, you are right 14:24:10 one of them being 2 deeper than the other 14:24:34 so you didn't make them more common, it is just a confusing diff 14:24:45 maybe caused by some old bear type removal 14:25:04 right 14:26:17 anyway it looks like you just subtracted 2 from all the depth ranges, and multiplying them by 3/4 instead should be fairly reasonable... but have to round things of course 14:27:24 MarvinPA: 6-level Lair? Woo! 14:27:35 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:29:38 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:59 So many good commits getting pushed recently 14:30:14 !commit Remove Lasty 14:30:14 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:30:15 03PleasingFungus ⛐ 0.19-a0-175-g97ce751: Remove Lasty 10(in the future, 26 files, 874+ 474-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=97ce751 14:30:23 The best commit 14:30:36 hm, elliptic was here a sec ago, right? 14:30:42 iirc he has opinions on 10486 14:31:35 I don't think he has any opinions 14:31:36 just wins 14:31:47 a pure winning machine... 14:31:57 !bug 10486 14:31:57 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10486 14:32:07 let me tell you, we have the best wins 14:32:32 -!- aiena has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.9.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:34:07 i tried to play slashem extended and i was "killed by a cowardly attack on her breasts" 14:34:20 er 14:34:28 did that... make any sense in context? 14:34:40 is there a context in which that makes sense 14:34:52 it was some kind of vampire that killed me i think 14:35:19 probably the message you get if you aren't wearing body armour 14:35:23 playing slashem extended was your key mistake there i think 14:36:40 there's much worse than that in that trash heap 14:36:56 garbage factory of a game 14:38:07 hey, slashem extended has instapickupdrop 14:38:09 can't be all bad 14:38:14 lol 14:38:31 did anything happen wrt multipickup/drop 14:38:33 in crawl 14:38:37 i remember we spent like two days arguing about it 14:38:55 I recall the synopsis being that you are all wrong 14:39:08 (what is multipickup drop?) 14:39:19 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:39:19 i think the vague conclusion was to make multidrop 1 turn 14:39:21 my stance on multipickup is the correct one, but it's a secret 14:39:23 Oh, is that about how many turns a pickup/drop takes? 14:39:33 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 14:39:38 Yeah, instant versus maybe one turn 14:39:48 PleasingFungus: IMO demonic guardian should work the same way as fedhas plant protection, and static discharge should work the same way as other effects that (can) affect all adjacent monsters (bend time etc) 14:39:56 aside from that consistency I don't really care 14:40:25 ok 14:40:44 MarvinPA: yeah but then i don't think anyone did anything 14:40:47 which is a little funny to me 14:41:10 ps nose goes 14:41:35 i think it's fine to leave stuff like static discharge as affecting allies because otherwise you start getting into the situation sanctuary is in where literally everything has to check it 14:41:35 I guess you want to try to make drops all at the same time for turncount reasons, but that's not a super big deal 14:42:04 which would probably be fine if it were easy to implement and keep working but sadly it's not 14:42:14 affecting demonic guardian/fedhas allies* 14:47:36 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:33 PleasingFungus: i think 10488 might just be a matter of moving the prompt into your_spells after _spellcasting_aborted 14:48:44 (or possibly moving it into _spellcasting_aborted) 14:49:09 -!- Doll has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:49:19 hm 14:49:41 i don't think spellcasting_aborted is the relevant line? idk 14:49:50 -!- eliot is now known as eliotn 14:50:08 in general it is, but in this case it looks like r/dmsl indeed don't use spell_uselessness_reason 14:50:12 that should be simple to fix too 14:50:24 ok 14:50:46 it's on my todo now 14:53:39 cool 14:53:49 i may steal it from you but no promises 14:54:45 I had a todo once 14:54:47 ??gammafunk[2 14:54:47 gammafunk[2/6]: Expose you.attack_delay and autopickup menu options in lua 14:54:50 -!- Doll has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:54:52 pretty epic 14:55:37 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:56:38 think you're gonna do it? 14:57:16 I'm gonno go all the way, yes 14:58:08 gammafunk: real rcfiles compute their own attack delay 14:58:26 elliptic: I do that with move speed already for speedrun_rest! 14:58:49 but yeah I could just do that; I actually need to compute attack delay for arbitrary items 14:58:55 so I may need to do it anyhow 15:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:04 at that point aut scoring will probably get merged, making my code useless 15:00:11 well, useless for trunk 15:03:41 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:14:58 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:15:00 -!- KrisztiCat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:15:54 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:22:53 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 15:24:55 -!- Dix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:23 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:31:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:35 -!- olscumpy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:38:14 god 15:38:29 I know SA is joking about wanting hive back 15:38:41 but why would you want hive back 15:40:44 -!- eliotn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:41:14 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:41:59 it's hip to fight bees 15:42:01 you want to do a pacifist run 15:51:45 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:52:18 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:39 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:17 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:57:20 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:57 -!- olscumpy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:34 -!- Dix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:44 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:58 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:20:06 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:53 rip the possibility of a pacifist run 16:21:23 although that honestly died when insects were made impossible to pacify 16:21:50 although I think you can pacify them again but I haven't won Ely since the piety change 16:24:13 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:36 bring back lair:10 and hydra-15! 16:26:15 bring back vaults:6-8, lair:7-10, hive, forest, implement dwarven halls, slime:6, swamp/snake/shoals/spider:5, D:16-27, and Depths:6 16:27:08 imo all those things are lower-priority than elf:37 16:27:48 oh yeah 16:27:52 also Elf:4-7 16:27:58 !lm * elf s=place 16:28:03 394202 milestones for * (elf): 174911x Elf:1, 132419x Elf:3, 47854x Elf:2, 17818x Elf:5, 10001x Elf:7, 8624x Elf:4, 2567x Elf:6, 2x Elf:11, 2x Elf:36, Elf:38, Elf:29, Elf:19, Elf:14 16:28:07 ...uh 16:28:09 wat 16:28:35 Lightli: a long time ago, there was some bug that would let you go arbitarily deep in elf 16:28:50 using the monster spawn table from E:$ 16:29:19 so i've been told, anyway; long before my time 16:37:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:39:00 !lm * zot s=place 16:39:08 177381 milestones for * (zot): 105043x Zot:5, 63294x Zot:1, 3414x Zot:2, 2929x Zot:3, 2701x Zot:4 16:40:45 !lm * elf:38 16:42:03 -!- olscumpy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:42:13 1. [2008-12-18 13:56:51] evktalo the Shatterer (L17 MiPa of The Shining One) killed Boris on turn 46521. (Elf:38) 16:42:35 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:03 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:48:25 !lm * rune br=abyss s=lvl 16:48:30 25890 milestones for * (rune br=abyss): 14634x 3, 5620x 4, 3866x 5, 1768x 1, 2x 2 16:48:38 another good bug there 16:48:44 (blame nicolae) 16:51:11 -!- olscumpy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:51:15 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:51:27 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:51:29 !lm * uniq=wiglaf s=gid 16:51:57 62599 milestones for * (uniq=wiglaf): 3x minmay:cao:20111104194808S, 2x Davedog:cao:20130911234717S, 2x NOPE:cszo:20130430004418S, 2x fenri12:cszo:20130319214149S, 2x ArcturusFats:cao:20120125080431S, 2x jessie:ckr:20141001135002S, 2x Oroborous:cao:20160118133130S, 2x bhh:cwz:20150202220807S, 2x sponge:cue:20140029015020S, 2x firemonkey:cdo:20160104152228S, 2x agentgt:cszo:20130902004414S, sodanet... 16:51:57 okay maybe that query is a little mean to sequell 16:52:38 !seen lasty 16:52:38 I last saw Lasty at Thu Jun 9 12:27:09 2016 UTC (8h 25m 29s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving.'. 16:52:42 !seen lasty_ 16:52:42 I last saw Lasty_ at Thu Jun 9 18:30:23 2016 UTC (2h 22m 19s ago) saying 'The best commit' on ##crawl-dev. 16:54:13 hey-o 16:56:10 minmay: what's up? 16:58:49 Lasty_: apparently changing the gender of uniques is "PC nonsense" 16:59:05 minmay: I was just counting down the minutes until we started getting those posts :p 16:59:17 because I've already seen this movie :p 16:59:47 Remember: Grinder is male. Grinder was always male. Magic can change the laws of physics, but definitely cannot change the laws of gender. 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:06 (or so the thinking seems to go) 17:01:03 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:01:37 Lasty_: I'm sore the original thread got deleted, now I don't have a place to use the phrase "fee fees before REEEEEEE REEEEEEEs" 17:02:11 The original cell was much worse, that's for sure. I don't know what REEEEEEE REEEEEEEs means tho 17:02:24 -!- Dracunos is now known as Dracunos-m 17:02:52 I also don't know why puppyscump kept posting "sage" 17:03:21 Lasty_: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/950/553/59c.jpg 17:03:49 haha 17:04:41 Lasty_: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sage 17:05:21 ah, gotcha 17:05:24 I applaud 17:05:24 basically short for this thread is only good enough to warrant filling it with noise 17:05:42 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:05:58 -!- halv has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:06:58 Lasty_: I'm guessing you didn't see Tiktacy's post about africans being inherently violent 17:07:18 minmay: . . . was that today? 17:07:31 I would have remembered if I'd seen it recently 17:07:39 good god 17:07:44 yes, he edited it out pretty fast 17:07:45 is this 4chan? 17:08:14 Lasty_: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=273256#p273256 this post was originally more than one line 17:08:22 I saw your response to that one 17:08:29 but I didn't realize how awful it was originally 17:08:29 Lightli: implying 4channers are inherently racist? 17:08:34 no 17:08:43 it's just 4chan is kind of a cesspool 17:08:50 I wonder if it's legit to ban people for posts that they self-removed? 17:09:39 ...oh it's tavern 17:10:08 I was confused since I was looking over the 4chan rlg and the only people complaining were either just confused as to why it was done at all or were being mocked and told to grow up 17:10:27 Lasty_: far worse posts have gone un-deleted/banned 17:10:54 minmay: that's why erasers have pencils 17:11:10 oh good 17:11:21 going to thank the PC nonsense posst 17:12:46 gammafunk: contrary to popular belief, my tears are not a panacea 17:13:01 Oh I don't value liberal tears, don't worry 17:13:09 you have to mix them with powdered unicorn horn 17:13:17 amalloy: don't tell him the secret 17:13:39 ??plan 17:13:39 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans 17:13:40 I wish crawl had gems 17:13:45 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:13:46 that we could throw at unicorns 17:13:56 first you would have to add unicorns 17:14:30 and preferably make them DF-style and horrible to deal with monsters 17:14:42 i'm confused about https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/4nclt6/new_naga_and_merfolk/ because i don't see any recent commits adjusting naga/merfolk tiles. am i missing them? 17:15:00 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:12 amalloy: yeah, the new ones ontoclasm made? 17:15:26 -!- jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:15:29 merfolk are all-female I think; naga have darker skin 17:15:39 and greaters have like 4 arms 17:16:17 And mystics look like orbs of fire 17:16:43 ITYM they look like sun demons 17:16:59 do they really? 17:17:06 !source salamander_mystic.png 17:17:07 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/salamander_mystic.png 17:17:17 gammafunk: just referencing the sun demon/oof thing 17:17:32 imo old sun demons were super cute and changing them was a crime 17:17:33 oh, well you said mystics 17:17:43 yeah the sun demon legs were hilarious 17:17:48 gammafunk: yup, I was shoehorning it in 17:17:53 I thought those were arms, not legs 17:18:31 does anyone have a better name suggestion for ghostly fireball (that doesn't imply fire, and also doesn't include "spectral" since they're also a separate thing from spectral clouds) 17:18:46 Ghostly Damnation Cube 17:18:48 currently i'm threatening "ghostly blast" which is bad but oh well 17:18:59 Ectoplasm Burst 17:19:06 Spirit Burst 17:19:13 Ethereal Ball 17:19:19 blast of weird partially-rN-piercing-undead-healing-thing 17:19:24 Lightli: that's what Uskayaw worshippers attend after death 17:19:48 and then it ends with everyone using Grand Finale on each other at the same time I assume 17:19:52 Negative Energy Ball 17:20:07 Deathball? 17:20:07 Lightli: that's how the fanfic ends, yes 17:20:16 Deathblast? 17:20:25 I like the death- suggestion 17:20:45 Necromantic Blast 17:21:02 Nightmare 17:21:13 sounds like it would inflict sleep 17:21:23 Nightmares do not put me to sleep 17:21:38 -!- eliot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:21:53 You fall asleep and then the nightmare beings 17:21:57 *begins 17:22:02 also nightmare beings 17:22:17 fr: nightmares 17:22:38 (ala the MTG card, so evil demon horses) 17:23:30 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:24:00 gammafunk: you fall asleep and cuddle the nightmare beings 17:27:30 Lasty_: what do you think of the "beautiful" and "plain-looking" descriptions for dowan and duvessa 17:29:21 -!- jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:22 minmay: In general I don't think the beauty descriptors on uniques are all that great -- letting people headcanon appearance is fine, and we do run some risk of bias in our distribution of the adjectives. For example, are we implying that martial women are plain-looking? 17:29:53 -!- tealeaves has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:06 !source monster.txt 17:30:07 Can't find monster.txt. 17:30:12 !source monsters.txt 17:30:13 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/cs/monsters.txt 17:30:14 I bring it up because those + blork are the only unique descriptions left that judge the uniques' attractiveness 17:30:24 the only two? I'm surprised. 17:30:37 well, the only ones I could find 17:30:38 there was a pass through descs removing them a while back 17:30:51 unless you count wiglaf's hat being called "stupid-looking" 17:31:15 I recall that pass, but I thought we had a few more left 17:31:24 don't we describe water nymphs as beautiful? 17:31:27 also re the naga-specific stuff from when this was discussed the other day, whenever i finally get around to finishing my monster desc adjustments i want to get rid of those (and various second-person things generally) 17:31:56 "A strikingly beautiful and capricious nature spirit, deeply bonded with the waters in which she lives. Wherever they flow, so may she, and ponds and rivers surge and leap at her whim. Beware, for many unwitting adventurers have found themselves drawn beneath her waters by a simple touch, only for it to become their final resting place." 17:32:06 which is sort of sad because they're silly and good but i have some weird desperate vision of descs having a vaguely consistent style 17:32:34 right, there are lots of non-unique monsters described as ugly or beautiful or whatever 17:32:44 the game makes a point of calling crimson imps, iron imps, and cacodemons ugly 17:33:01 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:33:03 apparently the other imps are average-looking 17:33:10 Good idea to remove those types of references 17:33:12 white imps have classical good looks 17:33:25 shadow imps are kinda plain 17:33:31 And maybe just refer to them as "foul demon" etc in a suitable vague way 17:33:43 white imps are indeed very privileged 17:33:45 in fairness, the cacodemon tile is hideous 17:33:56 I love that tile because of its joyful gesture 17:34:10 It reminds me a little of Totoro 17:36:08 ugly things I think we can get away with since they're designed to be ugly to all who behold them 17:37:57 -!- JimmahDean has quit [] 17:39:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:39:20 -!- Leszczynek has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:39:58 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-589-g9d0223f: Rescale Lair monster list (elliptic) 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 35+ 35-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9d0223f2f28a 17:39:58 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-590-ga6eff6b: Reduce the effectiveness of amulets of magic regeneration 10(81 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a6eff6b87f0a 17:39:58 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-591-gbb8c8ee: Adjust a sewer vault 10(61 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bb8c8ee11a95 17:39:58 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-592-g859f5b9: Remove Black Mark from Gloorx Vloq's spell set 10(51 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/859f5b9da048 17:39:58 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-593-gf2cdb02: Don't make spectral cloud heal undead on impact 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f2cdb0225d05 17:41:15 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:42:20 does anyone have opinions on protection/evasion brands and how they're bad and should be removed 17:43:13 for a completely non-leading question 17:44:02 (i see that tavern came to the same conclusion recently so it must be a good plan!) 17:44:07 -!- Wahaha has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:32 Why did Mennas' halo remain after death? Bug? 17:44:40 yeah a bug we've not tracked down 17:44:50 been happening for some time now! 17:44:52 My ancestor dealt the final blow 17:44:55 if that matters 17:45:04 enjoy your permanent mark of victory 17:45:13 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:45:18 untile we fix that; it's because the code for halos/umbras is a bit obtuse 17:45:21 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVm_UNRgYMc&list=PLC27AA61779C4BFAB 17:45:43 olscumpy: wrong channel? 17:46:26 MarvinPA: How would the removal work in terms of ego distribution? 17:46:35 MarvinPA: I like the idea of trying to preserve the brands but changing how they operate. There was a suggestion I was thinking of implementing where they give AC/EV after each strike 17:46:37 Just spread it out amongs the other egos? 17:46:40 that wears off relatively quickly 17:46:53 and perhaps the amount of protection would scale w/ damage or something 17:47:22 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:47:36 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:47:41 gammafunk: i'd probably go with some of the weight being moved to unbranded, and the rest spread out i guess 17:47:56 yeah, a mix like that would probably be good 17:48:03 although maybe some change like Lasty_'s could work, probably better to merge them in that case though? 17:48:37 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:42 and pick one of the two for it to boost (or both by a bit i guess) 17:48:47 hrm 17:49:01 I think that proposal might work better on melee weapons than on ranged 17:49:07 oh 17:49:12 yeah, would definitely make it melee-only in that case 17:49:15 I guess you'd lose this bonus upon weapon swap 17:49:21 The protection-on-strike effect allows the protection to be more meaningful, to the level where it could conceivably compete with other brands. 17:49:27 But yeah it's probably still better as melee-only 17:49:37 agreed re: melee 17:49:51 also somewhat relatedly i was going to disable blowgun randarts, they're sort of silly currently and would be even more so with only 1 possible brand 17:50:02 I would have removed SPWPN_EVASION during ranged reform anyway 17:50:08 MarvinPA: good 17:50:22 yeah that seems fine to me, blowguns not having egos 17:50:34 hrm, I wonder if arte blowguns need to even be a thing 17:50:40 could just be like magical staves 17:50:49 do blowguns even need enchantments too 17:50:52 that's what i just suggested :P 17:50:55 oh 17:51:07 sorry, I read as disabling blowgun brands 17:51:07 Lightli: right now blowgun enchantment matters pretty heavily 17:52:24 enchantment on them seems okay, since it's sort of important if you're needling but you probably also want to be enchanting your weapon there too 17:53:43 Enchantable but not able to have antiquity (my patented noun for describing whether something is an artefact) is something we already have with rods 17:53:51 and clubs! 17:53:54 ah 17:54:22 Lasty_: i guess my concern with bonus-ac/ev on hit is that it's sort of a bunch more complicated than most other weapon brands 17:54:33 sort of feels more unrand-ish 17:54:50 yeah it's a bit sword-of-powery maybe 17:55:31 Sword of Not-Die 17:55:49 It would be kind of vamp-like in that it'd something axe users would justify cleaving with 17:55:57 yeah 17:56:02 which is not necesarilly bad 17:56:03 what weapon types don't have a fixedart yet 17:56:11 MarvinPA: I sort of like current weapons of protection 17:56:36 they are simple and distinct from other brands 17:56:51 elliptic: you agree that evasion could go, though? 17:57:07