00:00:01 -!- ngmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:16 and donald isn't supposed to show up in D since he has no complaints for there 00:01:05 really, he doesn't? 00:01:08 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: btw, on a completely unrelated note 00:01:10 he has complaints for *zot*, of all places 00:01:47 does donald have complaints in spectral form? 00:01:49 please make donald come back in the same way boris can, but don't document it 00:02:06 NAME: uniq_donald DEPTH: Swamp, Snake, Shoals, Spider, Slime, Vaults:1-4, Crypt, Elf, Orc:$, Lab 00:02:09 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: how difficult would it be to consolidate DID_KILL_DEMON DID_KILL_LIVING etc. into DID_KILL, and put the holiness restrictions into the god likes structure somewhere 00:02:13 <|amethyst> ? 00:02:32 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:41 I'd replace the two with urug and nessos or something but I'm going to do this dumb thing first 00:04:22 |amethyst: it's been a while since i touched that code. i'd been planning on removing most of those holiness restrictions 00:05:13 <|amethyst> power creep :) 00:05:39 most of them are already the same 00:05:48 !source godconduct.cc:689 00:05:49 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/godconduct.cc#l689 00:05:53 check out that and the section right below it 00:06:03 KILL_DEMON_RESPONSE etc 00:07:00 <|amethyst> hm 00:07:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:24 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the reason I bring this up is that I think there are still bugs with multi-holiness creatures 00:08:36 double counting? 00:08:42 <|amethyst> no, 0-counting 00:08:45 nice 00:08:51 <|amethyst> because when it picks which DID_* to use 00:09:01 <|amethyst> it (rightly) doesn't take your god into account 00:10:09 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-559-ga3d69d0 (34) 00:10:46 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:11:50 <|amethyst> so e.g. Trog won't give piety for killing an undead demon, because it picks DID_KILL_UNDEAD which trog doesn't do 00:13:45 i'm gonna be very rude and ask you to help me with something else: http://sprunge.us/EeBP 00:13:57 that lookup() call is not right but i'm not sure what is right 00:14:48 <|amethyst> lookup won't do it because it wants to return the vector, not a pointer to it 00:14:55 anyway, it seems like it'd be possible to merge the standard did_kill types; the interesting part would be calculating holiness 00:14:58 <|amethyst> map_find will do what you want 00:15:04 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:15:09 i was using map_find first 00:15:11 that did not work 00:15:17 the function's return type is a pointer 00:15:28 <|amethyst> which is what map_find returns 00:15:30 <|amethyst> return map_find(soh_breaths, spell); 00:15:41 spl-util.cc:1597:12: error: cannot initialize return object of type 'vector *' with an rvalue of type 'decltype(&map.begin()->second)' (aka 'const std::__1::vector > *') 00:15:45 oh god it's a const issue 00:15:46 i'm an idiot 00:15:50 <|amethyst> aha 00:16:09 <|amethyst> hm 00:16:11 ty 00:16:20 also 00:16:23 *calculating piety 00:16:26 wrt my earlier statement 00:16:29 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:16:34 <|amethyst> though maybe it would be better to just return a vector rather than a pointer to one? 00:16:37 since that currently varies between different holinesses in a bizarre way 00:16:55 i wanted to be able to return nullptr 00:17:05 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I was thinking an empty vector 00:17:28 you could, sure 00:18:25 <|amethyst> but a const vector * with map_find does work, and is more efficient since you don't have to allocate vectors all the time 00:19:18 http://sprunge.us/TWGZ full patch (save compat not written yet) 00:20:19 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm 00:20:34 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: you current don't call soh_breath_spells without asserting on the result 00:20:37 <|amethyst> currently 00:20:57 i'd been considering it 00:23:03 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: oh, and you're probably going to need to fix monster 00:23:35 <|amethyst> record_spell_set uses serpent_of_hell_breaths[idx] 00:24:32 -!- JimmahDean has quit [] 00:25:32 ok 00:25:35 ty 00:25:37 i always forget monster 00:25:59 <|amethyst> we should just make plain 'make' build monster 00:26:05 ya 00:26:06 <|amethyst> it's not that much more work once you've built the main executable 00:26:10 <|amethyst> unless you use LTO I guess 00:26:37 <|amethyst> oh, I guess tiles is an issue 00:27:03 -!- Doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:27:22 ? 00:27:46 -!- Amphouse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:27:55 <|amethyst> not sure if or how well building 'monster' linked against local tiles works 00:28:07 i think it works fine 00:28:10 will let you know 00:28:19 what on earth is the 'compass' struct in monster for? 00:29:17 I wonder if the serpents should have seperate MSTs, considering e.g. draconians don't? 00:29:35 (of course dracdemonspawnians are kind of horrible) 00:29:45 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, I have a suspicion 00:29:45 i would say that is a problem for draconians 00:29:58 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-559-ga3d69d0 (34) 00:29:58 -!- Ragnor has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:30:03 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: that data structure is also in main.cc 00:30:25 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: ah, indeed 00:30:26 regret-index: why change the cast rate frmo 50 to 48 btw 00:31:08 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: that variable is declared in directn.h and misc.h, and defined in main.cc 00:31:23 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: various source files that are used with monster link against that variable 00:31:30 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but main.o is not linked in 00:31:47 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so it has to be defined somewhere in monster to avoid missing symbol errors 00:31:48 that's funny 00:32:14 <|amethyst> IMO easiest fix is to put it in directn.cc instead of those two places 00:32:24 i had a bug in a non-crawl c++ project i was working on, earlier today, which was caused by two structs with the same name being defined in different .cpp files 00:32:31 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:32:43 i feel like that shouldn't cause issues? but if i know anything, it's that i don't understand c++ 00:32:49 chequers: shrug 00:33:05 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it isn't an issue if they are static 00:33:14 oh, hm 00:33:20 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: oh, you said 'struct' 00:33:20 i guess i didn't declare them static 00:33:24 just didn't put them in a header 00:34:10 <|amethyst> what I said goes for variables; a struct definition can't be static 00:35:01 <|amethyst> I'm not sure about the rules wrt two different structure definitions with the same name in the global namespace in different translation units 00:35:11 <|amethyst> I can imagine several things that could go wrong 00:35:27 really i should just learn to use namespaces, i guess 00:36:46 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:38:58 <|amethyst> Ah, C++ says that you can't have multiple types with the same name in different translation units 00:39:16 <|amethyst> or, rather, you can, but if they aren't more or less exactly the same, behaviour is undefined 00:39:22 <|amethyst> this is different from C 00:39:25 it was very excitingly undefined. 00:39:32 took me quite a while to figure out what was wrong. 00:40:02 <|amethyst> I imagine constructors and destructors would be exciting 00:40:14 makes sense given that they're actually classes in C++, yes 00:40:19 yeah, destructors 00:41:25 <|amethyst> if you don't want to deal with full namespace stuff yet 00:41:29 <|amethyst> you can put them in anonymous namespaces 00:41:35 that sounds nice 00:41:44 <|amethyst> namespace { struct foo { ... }; } 00:42:10 -!- Chozo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:42:24 i'm looking it up right now on the font of all knowledge 00:42:25 stack overflow 00:42:46 sorry, verboten, you must only read the ANSI specification 00:42:57 <|amethyst> ANSI? 00:43:03 I dunno 00:43:05 uh 00:43:07 <|amethyst> how 1990s of you :) 00:43:13 pleasingfungus: https://twitter.com/webbedspace/status/738950965315829760 00:43:18 <|amethyst> cppreference.com is good 00:43:28 yeah i'm a fan 00:43:30 I like that site 00:43:34 <|amethyst> it tones down the standardese a bit 00:43:46 it usually has some reference code 00:43:46 <|amethyst> but doesn't tone down the vocabulary 00:44:02 regret-index: definitely 00:44:51 casualcppreference.com: "you put the string thing in, like, a handle or alias or whatever (it's like a reference I think) and then call this one method" 00:45:13 <|amethyst> gammafunk: that's cplusplus.com isn't it? 00:45:29 |amethyst, you made a good call on not pushing that. it seems after closer look UseItemMenu may not need error code handling in the way I proposed... 00:45:35 <|amethyst> (they don't have lawyers, do they?) 00:46:08 someday i may have the forethought to not code myself into a corner 00:46:10 hrm, this code should be rewritten, but testing it... 00:46:14 <|amethyst> Naruni: no design survives contact with the enemy :) 00:46:21 -!- eb_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:46:21 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:46:34 (Dire) elephants have humanoid skeletons 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10484 by Yermak 00:46:34 the enemy, of course, is yourself 00:46:37 very bruce lee of you 00:46:42 <|amethyst> I thought the enemy was the compiler 00:46:46 <|amethyst> or else the user 00:46:49 sure it's not (or not also) crawlcode? 00:46:54 hrm, that's shown up before, hasn't it 00:46:57 the skeletons thing 00:46:57 'its like a finger pointing away to the moon... concentrate on the finger and you will miss all the heavenly glory' 00:47:16 reminds of of that Thunder Force 4 music track "Stand Up Against Myself" 00:47:54 yes, recently 00:47:56 probably the same issue 00:47:58 well 00:48:00 same class of issues 00:48:22 is there an easy way to find out which enemies regularly spawn with executioner's axe? 00:48:27 better to conquer yourself than others, when you've trained yourself, living in constant self-control, neither a deva nor gandhabba nor mara nor brahma could turn that triumph back into defeat, blah blah blah. 00:48:41 so, haha kind of an odd question, has anyone per chance looked at my submission to 10466? i really don't know how to solve it or with all the talk about decks being removed i don't know where to go from there 00:48:46 jstrange_: mon-gear 00:49:06 would be cool to see something like that in objstat 00:49:15 but hard to represent..hrm 00:49:27 actually not all that hard, would have to display it like I do brands 00:49:42 regret-index, thanks! 00:49:51 ...says, 2/28 of all ruperts and ignacio, and nobody else 00:50:01 erm, ignacio and 2/28 of all ruperts 00:50:24 haha 00:50:29 damn 00:50:42 it's too rare... :( 00:50:43 and the 28th rupert is the one that kills you.. 00:50:52 this reminds me, what happened to MPA's lair shortening idea? 00:50:54 !bug 10466 00:50:54 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10466 00:50:56 Maybe he still has that in a branch 00:51:06 Aren't there also demonspawns who can have rare weapons? 00:51:07 Naruni: you can no longer id decks with scrolls 00:51:09 as of today 00:51:29 Yermak, I was almost sure I saw some enemies in extended drop it semi-regularly, might be those, yeah 00:51:34 Yermak: yes, but not exec axes 00:51:43 Allies shooting at player 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10485 by Yermak 00:51:54 what about executioners? 00:52:22 item.sub_type = random_choose_weighted(10, WPN_LONG_SWORD,10, WPN_SCIMITAR,10, WPN_GREAT_SWORD,10, WPN_DEMON_BLADE,10, WPN_MACE,8, WPN_MORNINGSTAR,2, WPN_EVENINGSTAR,10, WPN_DIRE_FLAIL,10, WPN_DEMON_WHIP,10, WPN_TRIDENT,10, WPN_HALBERD,10, WPN_GLAIVE,10, WPN_DEMON_TRIDENT,0); 00:52:27 PleasingFungus, well that really helps. makes sense why wheals was asking about it 00:52:29 executioners don't use items 00:52:35 for demonspawn, that blurb above 00:52:42 :) 00:52:51 i think warmongers get extra good kit 00:53:19 warmongers do get solid kit, but that seems to be limited away from exec axes 00:53:23 yeah, they top out at baxes 00:53:24 or triple swords 00:53:41 can get bardiches though 00:53:43 so I guess the only change to get an exec axe without trog or okawaru is hope for aquirement or a lucky randart? 00:53:44 %git deck 00:53:44 Could not find commit deck (git returned 128) 00:53:49 chance* 00:53:50 xxxbows? 00:53:51 or floor god 00:53:56 i vaguely remember those being involved 00:53:56 yeah 00:54:00 um how do i search for that commit (no longer id decks) 00:54:02 I do remember seeing ds with a triple sword 00:54:03 1/20 warmongers get triple crossbows, yes 00:54:04 1/20 for 3xbow 00:54:09 %git :/ecks 00:54:09 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-551-g1edb3d8: Make using decks practice Invocations when autoskilling 10(6 hours ago, 3 files, 8+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1edb3d8ce98a 00:54:13 %git :/ecks.*dentif 00:54:14 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-544-g65534a8: Don't identify the top card of a deck with ?ID 10(9 hours ago, 4 files, 1+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/65534a889959 00:54:15 they could have picked it up from the floor 00:54:17 Naruni: ^ 00:54:34 yeah they would appear a lot in pan lord vaults 00:54:41 where 3x swords might generate 00:54:52 hm. i note that now that we can use floor items, a command like 05qj might quaff five different kinds of potion 00:55:11 then that patch should work 100%, if the appropriate changes are made 00:55:14 whereas before the potion on j was guaranteed not to change between executions of that command 00:55:24 that's a pretty stupid statement after i read it 00:56:12 amalloy: i wonder if anyone uses q/r these days 00:56:21 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-560-gd271680: Refactoring: split SoH breath into 4 spells 10(26 minutes ago, 10 files, 145+ 93-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d2716803c1e9 00:56:21 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-561-g6c180b4: Fix elephant non-zombie undead tiles (10484) 10(43 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6c180b4f6984 00:56:26 i do 00:56:28 might just be a reason to remove that functionality, leave it in vim where it belongs 00:56:32 one more question, are items generated in abyss different from regular dungeon? 00:56:42 <|amethyst> amalloy: I think marvinpa has a mantis issue that is relevant 00:56:57 imo remove all features chequers doesn't use 00:57:05 sort of? 00:57:12 amalloy: what do you use the function for? 00:57:20 chequers: dumping my ?ew ?ea 00:58:15 not much else that i can think of 00:58:26 guess it'd be nice if those enchant scrolls had some better interface to do that 00:58:36 or maybe on a weapon 00:58:40 I mean, I'm not saying the feature is literally useless for you, when i say "remove it" 00:58:43 rja```` also works 00:58:45 <|amethyst> amalloy: ah, no, it was elliptic 00:58:46 you could choose "enchant me with all dem scrolls" 00:58:52 <|amethyst> amalloy: #10464 00:58:58 !bug 10464 00:58:58 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10464 00:59:19 <|amethyst> amalloy: it's not specifically about that, but about the similar issue of accidentally using the wrong thing 00:59:38 pf: argh 00:59:46 <|amethyst> e.g. you can't guarantee to keep scrolls off 'r' for double-tap prevention 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:58 ???? 01:01:02 what'd i do 01:01:16 oh 01:01:21 are you getting legendary destruction conflicts? 01:01:35 gj introducing "COC_BREATH" 01:01:35 no, conflicts with a dumb thing. 01:01:41 gammafunk: i did consider that 01:01:44 and then i continued 01:01:46 8) 01:01:47 good. 01:02:06 maybe should've been SOH_COCYTUS_BREATH instead 01:02:07 ah well 01:02:18 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: you're responsible for monster spell descriptions showing the monster glyph in the range display, right? 01:02:22 you folks are too damn funny 01:02:24 uhhh 01:02:25 niflheim_breath 01:02:33 that sounds very familiar 01:02:45 why would PleasingFungus implement a non-tiles feature?? 01:02:49 i think i at least looked at that code at some point? 01:02:52 chequers: it shows up in tiles! 01:02:54 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: because roxanne says 8--> :P 01:02:56 though it doesn't make much sense there :) 01:02:58 ahhh 01:03:01 are you or have you ever been a tiles traitor???! 01:03:16 i occasionally do local debugging in console 01:03:18 <|amethyst> !lm PleasingFungus / tiles 01:03:18 6760/6761 milestones for PleasingFungus: N=6760/6761 (99.99%) 01:03:20 mostly because copy-paste doesn't work in tiles 01:03:26 <|amethyst> !lm PleasingFungus !tiles 01:03:27 1. [2014-07-08 15:30:31] PleasingFungus the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 01:03:36 !lm PleasingFungus !tiles x=gid 01:03:36 1. [2014-07-08 15:30:31] [game_key=PleasingFungus:cszo:20140608153029S] PleasingFungus the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 01:03:43 yeah. I do all my debugging in console (although all my level building in tiles) 01:03:47 oh, actually 01:03:49 !lg PleasingFungus !tiles 01:03:49 No games for PleasingFungus (!tiles). 01:03:52 hm 01:03:54 <|amethyst> !lm PleasingFungus !tiles x=ktyp 01:03:54 No milestones for PleasingFungus (!tiles). 01:03:57 hm 01:04:03 i wonder if it's just sitting there 01:04:09 or if i wizmoded 01:04:16 but that'd be death, right? 01:04:20 <|amethyst> probably wizmode 01:04:26 <|amethyst> not in 2014 probably 01:04:28 ahh 01:04:32 !lm PleasingFungus !tiles 01:04:33 1. [2014-07-08 15:30:31] PleasingFungus the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 01:04:33 hadn't considered that 01:04:46 hufi is default default, very clearly wizmoding 01:04:55 i wonder what i was testing 01:04:56 !lg devteamnp name!=neil|wheals !gfspeed s=tiles / won 01:04:57 check if it's unarmed ;) 01:04:59 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:05:03 later, of course, i did my tests in huwz 01:05:05 for obvious reasons 01:05:14 !log . !tiles 01:05:15 No games for PleasingFungus (!tiles). 01:05:18 :( 01:05:24 1832/44351 games for devteamnp (name!=neil|wheals !gfspeed): 1636/41470x false [3.95%], 196/2881x true [6.80%] 01:05:24 -!- Athaboros has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05:35 oh I need to filter someone else out 01:05:47 who could be worse than wheals??? 01:05:54 wow, rip 01:06:13 <|amethyst> %git f89825e8 01:06:14 07elliptic02 * 0.17-a0-55-gf89825e: Create a logfile entry when entering wizmode/exploremode. 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 3 files, 24+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f89825e83848 01:06:15 !lg devteamnp name!=neil|wheals !gfspeed s=name / won o=-% 01:06:17 1832/44351 games for devteamnp (name!=neil|wheals !gfspeed): 0/3x frogbotherer [0.00%], 0/1440x SamB [0.00%], 0/43x Enne [0.00%], 0/12x jpeg [0.00%], 0/155x Zaba [0.00%], 24/10454x KiloByte [0.23%], 5/1360x bookofjude [0.37%], 2/424x mumra [0.47%], 13/1733x bh [0.75%], 26/3393x sorear [0.77%], 8/981x HangedMan [0.82%], 9/893x erisdiscordia [1.01%], 6/423x reaver [1.42%], 41/2298x dpeg [1.78%], 3/1... 01:06:35 kb.... 01:06:44 ah yeah 01:06:44 !lg devteamnp name!=neil|wheals !gfspeed s=tiles recentish / won 01:06:44 329/1816 games for devteamnp (name!=neil|wheals !gfspeed recentish): 269/1239x false [21.71%], 60/577x true [10.40%] 01:06:52 there we go 01:06:55 hmm my local git is all fucked up 01:06:55 love that keyword 01:07:02 snafu 01:07:05 I guess considering I ran bee priestesses I shouldn't be that concerned about this 01:07:15 %git *niper* 01:07:15 Could not find commit *niper* (git returned 128) 01:07:19 %git :/*niper* 01:07:19 Could not find commit :/*niper* (git returned 128) 01:07:22 blah 01:07:24 <|amethyst> I think gammafunk should get a job as a p hacker 01:07:36 it's regex, not wildcards, Naruni 01:07:36 pretty hacker? 01:07:50 <|amethyst> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_dredging 01:08:11 * chequers opens link, sees math. Right, pretty hacker. 01:08:36 %git :/[Ss]niper 01:08:36 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1679-g1593aa5: Fix Sniper inscription 10(9 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1593aa571c91 01:08:38 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:08:45 %git :/AUTOMATIC 01:08:45 07|amethyst02 {PleasingFungus} * 0.17.1-4-g423dff4: Don't crash when Fedhasites kill with AUTOMATIC_HIT spells. 10(6 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/423dff437207 01:08:51 New branch created: high-grade-earplugs (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/high-grade-earplugs 01:08:52 03regret-index02 07[high-grade-earplugs] * 0.19-a0-562-g1076154: Remove Norris 10(3 minutes ago, 28 files, 12+ 193-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1076154c5a37 01:08:58 %git :/ranged 01:08:58 07regret-index02 * 0.19-a0-552-g1526261: Control some more vault placements of hells enemies 10(5 hours ago, 4 files, 57+ 47-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/15262616c8d7 01:08:58 |amethyst: I wouldn't have to p-hack if you didn't play crawl like a screensaver! 01:09:14 extremely powerful branch naming 01:09:29 <|amethyst> gammafunk: screensavers don't make me press o and tab all the time! 01:09:35 -!- olscumpy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:10:01 He's a sphinx with a buckler and Invisibility. <-- cruel af 01:10:07 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-561-g6c180b4 (34) 01:11:06 I'm not sure how many people like the theme of norris 01:11:30 I'm a little reticent about removing another one of our joke uniques but I don't feel super strong about it 01:11:41 what's the joke 01:12:00 also, i think you mean 'reluctant' 01:12:03 It's what's in the description 01:12:30 I'll actually go with reticent, because I could say more about norris 01:12:33 but I won't! 01:12:37 no, please 01:12:47 tell me about your norris opinions 01:12:49 i must know 01:13:06 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:13:08 <|amethyst> Norris is supposed to be Keanu Reeves, right? 01:13:27 Well, I just don't want this to be "let's remove all uniques that don't have some 'serious' attempt at theme" 01:13:39 patience, patience. 01:13:43 alright 01:13:48 +1 for norris removal 01:14:07 the branch name is a dumb joke for a reason. 01:14:07 The unique doesn't do anything, that I deffo agree with 01:14:14 <|amethyst> gammafunk: Jessica could get the Norris description 01:14:35 |amethyst: I'd like it more if jessica became norris though 01:14:37 the tile is key 01:14:46 !commitby |amethyst buy Jessica a tan 01:14:46 03|amethyst ⛐ 0.19-a0-172-g5ae6744: buy Jessica a tan 10(in the future, 11 files, 924+ 576-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ae6744 01:15:05 gammafunk: wow, replacing one of crawl's few female uniques with another straight white man? 01:15:08 erasure much... 01:15:08 If she because a surfer girl that'd be cool but then people would be upset about sexism 01:15:16 <|amethyst> wait, Norris is straight? 01:15:31 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:15:32 he's not out 01:15:50 PleasingFungus: yes, and and he's going to have lines about being cis scum and proud 01:15:54 !!! 01:16:09 it's like bloax was really still here... 01:16:11 kotaku in crawl-dev 01:16:13 -!- olscumpy has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:13 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:16:43 <|amethyst> hm 01:16:45 maybe r-i will add another whimsical unique in norris' place 01:16:56 as long as the joke isn't something about anime 01:16:59 03regret-index02 07[high-grade-earplugs] * 0.19-a0-563-g5500df2: Rupert roars paralysis, Norris is gone- give Xtahua paralysis 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5500df25940c 01:17:18 <|amethyst> I see three uniques with some indication of orientation 01:17:55 <|amethyst> may be missing some 01:18:02 who who 01:18:10 gammafunk: it's gonna be bai. 01:18:18 bai is bae...? 01:18:30 that's gonna be a clan name if she goes in 01:18:48 <|amethyst> hm, maybe four 01:19:16 <|amethyst> Harold has a wife 01:19:23 <|amethyst> Jory had a wife before he killed her 01:19:34 imo by virtue of the transformation / tragic history / cobbling together history and identity at the whims of outside sources / othering narrative quartet bai suzhen fits under the non-transition trans iconography 01:19:36 <|amethyst> Donald might have a wife, but he's confused about it 01:19:38 * regret-index coughs. 01:19:44 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-561-g6c180b4 (34) 01:20:04 ANYWAY does nobody want to even notice xtahua para BECAUSE HE SHOUTS or what 01:20:15 <|amethyst> :) 01:20:17 lore driven decision: I approve 01:20:30 |amethyst: what's the maybe fourth 01:21:10 <|amethyst> chequers: Ilsuiw: @The_monster@ says @to_foe@, "Catch me, touch me, love me, feed me!" 01:21:31 <|amethyst> given that that can be any foe, I'd have to go with 'pan-' 01:21:39 lol 01:21:47 i thought pan... was removed...! 01:22:01 ...ilsuiw loves pandemonium? 01:22:03 linguistic debates roar forward again 01:22:14 regret-index: you gotta have priorities 01:22:16 (and also i already gave you my opinion :) ) 01:22:21 I hate to break it to you |amethyst, but ilsuiw is trying to lure you in so she can kill you 01:22:27 she's not actually sincerely in love with you 01:22:32 that's what you say 01:22:34 oh my god... 01:22:35 what's the gender divide of crawl uniques 01:22:47 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: Wasn't he buying a wizlab from Golubria? 01:22:50 iirc it's like 3:1:1 male:female:neuter? 01:22:51 majority male 01:22:56 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I keep hearing about the Roulette of Pan 01:22:59 i'm making up that last 01:23:09 |amethyst: sounds risky 01:23:20 -!- Guest18049 has quit [] 01:23:45 regret-index: not sure i see the trans thing wrt bai, but ofc i haven't read as much on the subject, so i certainly could be missing something 01:23:50 26 M_FEMALE 01:23:51 55 M_MALE 01:24:00 <|amethyst> chequers: and two of the females aren't unique 01:24:12 go on 01:24:28 <|amethyst> chequers: water nymph and harpy 01:24:55 i have the best idea for a PR now 01:25:17 <|amethyst> queen bee and ant became neuter at some point 01:25:25 I counted them manually at 22 female, 52 male, and 3 neuter, but I probably counted wrong 01:25:32 ...are sphinxes neuter? 01:25:46 <|amethyst> apparently so 01:25:51 regret-index: remove wiglaf :) 01:26:09 pf: something something cis something something reclamation 01:26:16 !killratio wiglaf * recent 01:26:21 chequers: I wasn't going to give xtahua might and haste though! 01:26:21 wiglaf wins 0.809% of battles against * (recent). 01:26:43 wiggie is an ok unique, maybe could use some love 01:26:50 minmay: i neutered them like a year ago, mostly on the basis that 'androsphinx' is a great word 01:27:01 !killratio wiglaf * recentish 01:27:04 wiglaf wins 0.922% of battles against * (recentish). 01:27:08 xtahua was in a far worse spot I think 01:27:09 last time I mentioned buffing wiglaf I got pointed at norris 01:27:14 !killratio xtahua * recent 01:27:23 xtahua wins 0.377% of battles against * (recent). 01:27:23 yeah 01:27:25 crawl dev is probably, like, a merry-go-round 01:27:38 man, snort used to be a lady unique? talk about marginalisation 01:27:41 gammafunk: beware the temptation to berder! 01:27:45 snorg? 01:27:47 huh? 01:27:51 formerly anita 01:27:55 ah, right 01:28:00 also hitler was removed 01:28:12 talk about marginalisation 01:28:13 I like that PleasingFungus can't reason as to wheter XTAHUA is strong or not 01:28:20 has it really been that long since you played 01:28:27 ??? 01:28:37 it is kind of weird that at least some of the pan lords are gendered 01:28:45 i think they all are? 01:28:45 well their tile is gendered 01:28:52 sort of? 01:28:54 <|amethyst> ? 01:28:54 oh 01:28:56 right 01:28:57 i mean that they all are, and for at least some of them it is kind of weird 01:28:58 random lords? 01:28:59 they're wearing a bikini but it's not really 'gendered' 01:29:23 i remember i was thinking about giving them random genders, but i don't remember if i did 01:29:23 <|amethyst> oh 01:29:31 i feel like i decided against for some reason 01:29:33 I am all for decoupling assumed appearance and identity but the pan lord bikini is still kind of stupid. 01:29:41 I mean that gloorx vloq is apparently super mysterious and clouded by darkness but he apparently opens the fight by screaming "IM A DUDE" because you know hes a dude 01:29:42 regret-index: have you seen the name of that tile? 01:29:45 <|amethyst> I was thinking the named lo 01:29:46 <|amethyst> yeah 01:29:52 oh. idk 01:30:20 yeah, the hell lords mostly being specific male is weird 01:30:23 gammafunk: i'm saying: taking a pair of killratio queries and making pronouncements based on them is a little iffy 01:30:40 @??xtahua 01:30:40 Xtahua (05D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 110-153 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 35, 1709(claw), 2007(trample) | 04breaks doors, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(180), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 3785 | Sp: searing breath (3d38) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 01:30:42 @??wiglaf 01:30:42 Wiglaf (09g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 17 | HP: 109-156 | AC/EV: 11/6 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest | Res: 06magic(120) | XP: 1817 | Sp: might [11!AM], haste [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:30:44 Cerebov appears as "a giant human" so it possibly makes sense for him to be explicitly gendered, depending on your interpretation 01:30:45 @??norris 01:30:45 Norris (07@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 176-248 | AC/EV: 1/9 | Dam: 36 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 5028 | Sp: brain feed [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], invisibility [11!AM], confuse [11!AM], paralyse [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:30:46 I don't know where you're getting that from, PleasingFungus 01:30:56 I don't think gender belongs on any of the other 3 unique pan lords 01:30:57 I pronounced XTAHUA weak before that query 01:31:08 and I'm pretty sure it's not hard to figure out that this unique doesn't do much 01:31:09 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:31:16 like, just fight it 01:31:21 mnoleg's apparent gender should change every call to pronoun obv. 01:31:26 <|amethyst> minmay: I always thought of Cerebov as being like a Vorlon 01:31:26 it can go through doors!!! 01:31:27 @??gold dragon 01:31:28 unknown monster: "gold dragon" 01:31:29 how are you not terrified 01:31:31 @??golden dragon 01:31:32 golden dragon (08D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 90-126 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 40, 2009(claw), 2007(trample) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(180), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 4168 | Sp: b.fire (3d27) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], b.cold (3d27) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], poisonous cloud (3d11) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 01:31:32 the hell lords are expies of gendered mythological figures so it makes sense for them to be gendered 01:31:39 |amethyst: the tile is pretty vorlon 01:31:51 i should rewatch that show sometime 01:32:02 I could see not referring to gender for the named pan lords, yeah 01:32:10 I mean they are just made up of weird demon bits 01:32:14 don't feel strongly about it for them 01:32:32 to me it's ok either way, yeah 01:32:32 i think that it's okay that they're gendered, since gender identity is a big part of personality 01:32:32 I don't really care about the random pan lord bikini 01:32:32 <|amethyst> IMO pan lords are just gods in training 01:32:34 regret-index: why is the bikini stupid? 01:32:35 <|amethyst> and gods don't have gender 01:32:45 I'm male but I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least one picture of me on the internet wearing a bikini 01:32:48 even if there isn't gonna be hot gloorx vloq/ereshkigal action any time soon 01:32:52 gammafunk: we cut margery's 01:33:03 regret-index: well we didn't cut rupert's 01:33:10 not this argument again... 01:33:16 I ship ereshlobon 01:33:21 several different worlds of context and okay yeah I'm not going to bother 01:33:22 haha 01:33:36 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:33:37 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: when you were pointing out the tile name 01:33:38 I'm sure gammafunk ships lom muna 01:33:47 mnoleg muna 01:33:49 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: did you notice the other underwear panlord tile name 01:33:55 i sort of like the contrast of 'otherworldly horror' + 'superficial normality', as long as it isn't overdone 01:33:57 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:33:59 also I couldn't actually find the pan lord tiles on a casual look 01:34:10 <|amethyst> rltiles/mon/panlord/ 01:34:10