00:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:34 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-291-ga637243 (34) 00:01:00 -!- fixit_friend has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:01:09 -!- friendfixit has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:52 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:16 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:06 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:13 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:30 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:23 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:09:15 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-291-ga637243 (34) 00:10:02 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 00:10:30 q: 00:10:38 is it a bug that green dr breath ignores poison resistance 00:11:09 for the damage 00:12:26 yes 00:14:10 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:14:49 actually I don't think I knew that it did impact damage at all 00:15:10 !bug 9723 00:15:10 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9723 00:18:32 doesn't meph cloud also do non rpois checking damage? 00:18:56 not afaik 00:19:22 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:50 <|amethyst> I think it's not that it ignores poison resistance 00:20:58 <|amethyst> but rather that it gets the usual 2/3 reduction in damage 00:21:09 <|amethyst> which doesn't necessarily reduce it to zero 00:21:18 |amethyst: which, green dr breath? 00:22:32 (I don't think meph does any impact damage?) 00:22:45 <|amethyst> hmm 00:23:00 <|amethyst> I was thinking about cloud damage 00:23:12 <|amethyst> but I guess that is prevented entirely by rp 00:23:15 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:15 pretty sure meph clouds do 0 damage always if you have rPois+, yes 00:23:40 (and they do random2(2) damage or something like that if you don't) 00:23:40 yeah I checked in wizmode, meph only does the damage if you're not rpois 00:24:53 <|amethyst> hm 00:24:59 <|amethyst> yeah 00:25:15 <|amethyst> and meph on an rP ally doesn't annoy it 00:25:24 <|amethyst> so I guess it's specific to green drac breath 00:25:58 <|amethyst> oh 00:26:03 <|amethyst> it's right there in the zap_data 00:26:07 <|amethyst> new dicedef_calculator<3, 2, 1, 6>, 00:26:07 <|amethyst> new tohit_calculator<6, 1, 6>, 00:26:33 <|amethyst> so I wonder what is assuming that rP == immunity 00:27:03 <|amethyst> oh 00:27:05 <|amethyst> hm 00:27:07 <|amethyst> sting does warn 00:27:56 <|amethyst> oh, right, breathe poison also warns 00:28:18 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:28:24 <|amethyst> aha, found it 00:28:31 <|amethyst> bolt::is_harmless 00:28:36 <|amethyst> case BEAM_MEPHITIC: 00:28:36 <|amethyst> return mon->res_poison() > 0 || mon->is_unbreathing(); 00:28:54 <|amethyst> ignores the possibility of BEAM_MEPHITIC having damage 00:29:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:30:04 <|amethyst> but just a damage nonzero && (...) probably wouldn't be correct 00:30:04 really need a ukayaw tile now that it's in trunk btw 00:30:14 <|amethyst> because IIRC tracers fake the damage on those kinds of things 00:30:42 <|amethyst> so that would make meph cloud tracer think it does hurt crimson imps 00:30:48 <|amethyst> hmm, I wonder 00:30:50 chequers: altar tile, yes? 00:31:05 yeah 00:31:07 |amethyst: that was what i was looking at, yeah 00:31:16 |amethyst: there is some argument that mephitic breath should just not do impact damage 00:31:16 sorry, should've said so you didn't duplicate effort 00:31:53 since aside from that it is the same as meph cloud spell, just a different shape 00:31:55 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:32:05 <|amethyst> elliptic: and what would green drac get to compensate for that? 00:32:05 what's the opposite of ~= in lua 00:32:11 |amethyst: I doubt they need anything 00:32:25 <|amethyst> are they really the strongest draconian now? 00:32:35 well they aren't the weakest drac 00:32:36 oh, ~= is "not equal" 00:32:38 ofc 00:33:08 ~= is an awful choice for neq 00:33:14 why, lua,why 00:33:15 drac breath impact damage is pretty terrible without something special to augment it (like ice breath ignoring AC) 00:33:26 so losing it is not a big deal 00:33:28 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: better than <> :) 00:33:57 marginally 00:34:22 <|amethyst> hm 00:34:33 <|amethyst> I guess player and monster draconians are not really related? 00:34:53 I don't think monster green drac breath does impact damage 00:35:03 but I didn't think player green drac breath did either so I might be wrong 00:35:12 <|amethyst> I mean 00:35:17 <|amethyst> monster green drac breath is pcloud 00:35:24 <|amethyst> not meph 00:35:31 yeah 00:35:44 elliptic: seems like it'd be helpful early, maybe 00:35:55 i mean, current drac breath impact damage 00:36:06 it is still an example of a drac that doesn't do impact damage with its breath though, even if it is poison breath and a monster :) 00:36:14 <|amethyst> ah 00:36:19 <|amethyst> I caused this bug 00:36:20 PleasingFungus: meph breath is really great early anyway though 00:36:28 true 00:36:46 <|amethyst> when fixing the "meph cloud against a friendly imp does warn" 00:36:48 <|amethyst> bug 00:36:49 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:52 <|amethyst> %git 26e3e4477 00:36:53 07|amethyst02 * 0.13-a0-1655-g26e3e44: Consider meph harmless to rPois and unbreathing monsters. 10(2 years, 11 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/26e3e4477b23 00:37:11 Lasty_: the purple of U's god messages is pretty hard to read on a black background 00:37:20 <|amethyst> in webtiles? 00:37:24 <|amethyst> chequers: 00:37:26 yes 00:37:34 does console even have coloured text 00:37:36 <|amethyst> probably we should change the definition of purple then 00:37:56 <|amethyst> if U god messages are unreadable, then other purple text is likely to be unreadable 00:38:01 <|amethyst> including axes in glyph mode 00:38:10 yeah 00:38:20 dith is purple too right 00:38:22 <|amethyst> probably we should change the definition of purple then 00:38:39 my favourite part of irc is lines that only make sense in what is clearly a very specific context, but it's impossible for an outsider to discern what that context is 00:39:10 /r/nocontext 00:39:14 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:18 then you'll love this website I found, bash.org 00:39:22 <|amethyst> webserver/game_data/static/style.css .fg5 00:39:27 <|amethyst> I found this? 00:39:29 <|amethyst> I found this. 00:39:39 is bash.org realy still around 00:40:03 yes 00:40:08 fucked up 00:40:23 i wanted to change the colors at some point 00:40:27 but never got around to it 00:40:36 they're like... gnome colors right now 00:41:26 like the linux gnome? 00:41:38 if salamander hide armour's +rage works for salamanders, how come troll leather armour's regen doesn't work for trolls 00:41:56 PleasingFungus: yes 00:43:44 does this look like it might work? http://dpaste.unisolinc.us/QejF 00:44:14 <|amethyst> minmay: because you travelled back in time 00:44:14 minmay: i think it has for a while now 00:44:18 <|amethyst> %git 4e08597d 00:44:18 07chequers02 {gammafunk} * 0.17-a0-408-g4e08597: Let troll leather armour regen work on player trolls 10(1 year, 2 months ago, 2 files, 6+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4e08597d369b 00:44:26 neil's version is better 00:44:29 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:44:38 friendfixit: er 00:44:45 that one was in the Minmay File for a bit too long 00:44:47 doing a string comparison on a monster's name seems very roundabout 00:44:57 oh, hey 00:45:03 also, that's not how c++ if/else syntax works 00:45:09 Lasty_: line pass confusing enemies is sort of annoying, could it paralyse them rather than confuse? 00:45:13 yeah I know, I have no idea what I'm doing. :( 00:45:14 -!- archaeo has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:17 Lasty_: i guess that overlaps with solo 00:45:43 minmay: fixing corner cases one at a time 00:45:51 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I see why you'd want to check that rather than something else though 00:46:03 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: because it is specifically about "does the monster name look good to print" 00:46:10 just remixing code bits, and praying it'll work 00:46:13 that if makes my head hurt 00:46:25 i'm missing context,i think 00:46:34 geekosaur: move the braces 00:46:35 Lasty_: i think in some cases either the line pass tracer either isn't accurate or some monsters resist its confusion 00:46:42 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: that else is supposed to go outside the braces 00:46:47 also the missing parens 00:46:55 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so it prints "You freeze the goblin." 00:46:58 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:47:12 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but if the monster was already reset you wouldn't want to say "You freeze the DEAD MONSTER" 00:47:19 !tell lasty line pass confusing enemies is sort of annoying, could it paralyse them rather than confuse? 00:47:20 chequers: OK, I'll let lasty know. 00:47:22 <|amethyst> so instead it tries to avoid that situation 00:47:33 <|amethyst> that said, there's probably a better way 00:47:36 !tell lasty i think in some cases either the line pass tracer either isn't accurate or some monsters resist its confusion. Mostly related to irregular diagonal "lines" 00:47:36 chequers: OK, I'll let lasty know. 00:47:39 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:47:47 <|amethyst> record the monster name in a variable before you do whatever might kill it 00:47:47 -!- Doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:47:58 <|amethyst> then use that variable instead of calling mons->name here 00:48:17 |amethyst: I did find code that does that 00:48:18 |amethyst: i got the bit about the else, i just wasn't sure what this code was for 00:48:25 but it looks very complex and scary 00:48:27 https://github.com/jeremygurr/dcssca/blob/0f8b4f76d0d1ccc73b291e3f5593975705818f57/crawl-ref/source/art-func.h#L736 00:48:38 I didn't want to borrow something of that magnitude 00:49:03 <|amethyst> huh? 00:49:12 <|amethyst> string name = defender->name(DESC_THE); 00:49:29 <|amethyst> that is the relevant part there 00:49:38 <|amethyst> that and then later 00:49:42 <|amethyst> mprf("The lance glows as it skewers %s.", 00:49:43 <|amethyst> name.c_str()); 00:50:21 <|amethyst> how it uses name instead of defender->name(DESC_THE) 00:50:34 <|amethyst> but you do need to know what exactly is the line that kills the monster 00:50:41 <|amethyst> it's probably a call to mons->hurt 00:51:26 PleasingFungus: i don't "get" the hep-xom vault 00:51:27 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:31 haha 00:51:36 as per the comment! 00:51:39 <|amethyst> hm 00:51:50 <|amethyst> oh, now I think I might have misunderstood the context 00:51:51 -!- Doll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:01 -!- Doll_ is now known as Doll 00:52:11 ah 00:52:15 it's the Freeze spell 00:52:18 <|amethyst> friendfixit: is this about avoiding a "You freeze DEAD MONSTER" message, or about giving a different message if you kill the monster? 00:52:39 trying to make it say anything but DEAD MONSTER, yes 00:52:56 ... to save the real dev maybe like 1 minute of his time, lol 00:53:02 maybe just a yak rather than death yak would be clearer 00:53:03 <|amethyst> oh, I see 00:53:05 the one who actually knows C++ 00:53:09 chequers: the idea is that xom is mocking you/your ancestors - e.g. spawning a giant leech instead of a vampire 00:53:16 else e.kmons("1 = spectral ugly thing") 00:53:17 many of them are... obscure 00:53:18 golfclap 00:53:19 <|amethyst> dcssca moves the "You freeze" message after the hurt call 00:53:30 lol 00:53:40 i like 'insubstantial wisp' 00:53:49 <|amethyst> friendfixit: so before the mons->hurt line, add: string name = mons->name(DESC_THE); 00:54:07 <|amethyst> friendfixit: then in the mprf line, change mons->name(DESC_THE).c_str() to name.c_str() 00:54:20 <|amethyst> friendfixit: so you save the monster's name before you kill it 00:54:31 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:31 oh, so it grabs the ... yesh 00:54:31 <|amethyst> and use that saved name 00:54:31 clearly elf should have an orc ancestor 00:54:31 <|amethyst> yeah 00:54:33 and vice versa 00:54:42 <|amethyst> chequers: not vice versa 00:54:49 <|amethyst> orc should have a d ancestor 00:54:52 because otherwise it's like hey what did I just deal %d damage to? DEAD THING, of course 00:54:58 how tolkein :P 00:55:15 i guess in dcss they might be friends? since there are orcs in elf 00:55:56 where's the code that draws the tiles minimap? 00:56:00 i want to make fountains not show up 00:56:10 <|amethyst> ? 00:56:13 I know i changed that at some point 00:56:14 <|amethyst> why I mean? 00:56:19 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 46.0.1/20160502172042]] 00:56:19 tiles show up as altar colour 00:56:22 *fountains 00:56:30 and they are just visual things nowadays, so they shouldn't show up 00:56:31 %git 3f3e8b85f4780852cbd3180740fe0bc319fd7209 00:56:31 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-813-g3f3e8b8: Remove seen monsters from the minimap 10(1 year, 9 months ago, 5 files, 55+ 62-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3f3e8b85f478 00:56:36 there's just one color for "feature" is why 00:56:37 they aren't purely visual 00:56:41 <|amethyst> oh, did we finally make 00:56:42 oh 00:56:43 <|amethyst> oh 00:56:46 try shooting a wand of fire at one 00:56:48 or flame or w/e 00:56:52 :P 00:56:54 <|amethyst> I was thinking monster habitat 00:56:55 or find one that has an eel in it :) 00:56:59 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:57:04 summon eel familiar 00:57:06 damn exceptions 00:57:06 monster singular 00:57:25 still probably not worth the bright color 00:57:28 but that commit i pulled up a sec ago is in the same general area 00:57:30 could color them like shallow water maybe 00:57:44 or should help you get to the right place, anyway 00:57:46 or just floor, it's not like they're important 00:57:53 <|amethyst> yeah, I guess it is very minor 00:57:54 yep, get_cell_map_feature 00:58:23 <|amethyst> sadly, hydras (at least player ones) don't move faster through fountains 00:58:31 realism ruined 00:58:32 tragic 00:58:47 blocker bug 00:59:19 well, it's not like players flounder in fountains either 00:59:24 shallower water 00:59:40 <|amethyst> "Just a puddle, really" 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:15 is a fountain a MF_FEATURE ? 01:00:24 oh, feature-data.h 01:00:39 it seems like fungi are generating in lair after the initial generation 01:00:59 (not seeing how else i could leave los of a yak corpse, come back, and have a fungus over the corpse) 01:01:01 is this intentiona 01:01:02 l 01:01:17 maybe it was growing on the corpse 01:01:18 like in old times 01:01:25 there's nothing in mon-pick that'd do that 01:01:26 I know they're on the spawn list but should they only be generating at the start 01:01:29 no 01:01:31 they're not on the spawn list 01:01:34 PleasingFungus, those were toadstools 01:01:51 hm... 01:01:52 :P 01:02:28 is there a need to butcher inedible corpses 01:02:36 hides 01:02:52 i haven't any idea what would cause fungi to spawn on corpses 01:03:00 very very odd 01:03:05 are you sure it wasn't like 01:03:06 <|amethyst> yeah, I see nothing relevant here 01:03:06 an invisible fungus 01:03:14 or, uh 01:03:14 <|amethyst> can fungi be teleported? 01:03:19 a walking fungus 01:03:21 <|amethyst> I imagine not because they're stationary 01:03:29 oh, good point, xom may have moved a fungus 01:03:34 <|amethyst> oh, xom 01:04:45 New branch created: pull/277 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/277 01:04:45 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/277 * 0.19-a0-277-gda721eb: Don't show fountains on the minimap. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/da721ebfb7b4 01:05:02 !learn set ukayaw s/Experimental branch god/God/ 01:05:02 ukayaw[1/3]: s/Experimental branch god/God/ 01:05:07 derp 01:05:36 hope you remember what that was a sec ago 01:05:39 !learn set ukayaw God of ecstatic dance. Piety raises very quickly as you deal damage and drops very quickly over time. *: Stomp for AOE damage. **: Teleport through a line of creatures, confusing them. ***: on reaching this piety level, briefly paralyze all enemies in LOS. ****: On reaching this piety level, monsters share damage. *****: Telefrag any monster in LOS. 01:05:40 ukayaw[1/3]: God of ecstatic dance. Piety raises very quickly as you deal damage and drops very quickly over time. *: Stomp for AOE damage. **: Teleport through a line of creatures, confusing them. ***: on reaching this piety level, briefly paralyze all enemies in LOS. ****: On reaching this piety level, monsters share damage. *****: Telefrag any monster in LOS. 01:05:55 ??hep 01:05:56 hepliaklqana[1/4]: Experimental God of ancestral memory, playable on cbro. Grants a powerful, customizable permanent ancestor at ** piety, which will be automatically revived if slain (after a few dozen turns). Likes exploration. 0*: ally & recall, 2*: Remember Life, 3*: {Transference}, 4*: {Idealise}, 5*: Transference-slow 01:06:08 !learn edit hepliaklqana s/Experimental // 01:06:08 Use: !learn edit hepliaklqana[NUM] s/// 01:06:12 !learn edit hepliaklqana1[] s/Experimental // 01:06:13 Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/// 01:06:15 !learn edit hepliaklqana[1] s/Experimental // 01:06:16 hepliaklqana[1/4]: God of ancestral memory, playable on cbro. Grants a powerful, customizable permanent ancestor at ** piety, which will be automatically revived if slain (after a few dozen turns). Likes exploration. 0*: ally & recall, 2*: Remember Life, 3*: {Transference}, 4*: {Idealise}, 5*: Transference-slow 01:06:16 -!- melen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06:21 03chequers02 07* 0.19-a0-277-gda721eb: Don't show fountains on the minimap. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/da721ebfb7b4 01:06:21 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-293-gca33af5: Merge pull request #277 from alexjurkiewicz/no-fountain-minimap 10(8 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ca33af526c5c 01:06:54 ty 01:06:58 merge the rest now pls 01:07:13 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:07:16 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:07:26 your PR from february? that needs more time to be reviewed :P 01:08:15 also i'd really like to see the tiles blended lighting in trunk 01:08:48 "Get over here!" 01:08:54 xom blinked all the monsters out of my los 01:09:47 i wonder what that effect is 01:10:31 // Sometimes blink towards the player, sometimes randomly. It might 01:10:32 // end up being helpful instead of dangerous, but Xom doesn't mind. 01:10:34 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:10:42 dubious messaging 01:12:38 i guess xom doesn't specify where 'here' is 01:12:56 hey chequers 01:12:59 <|amethyst> the message is randomly "Over there now!" or "Get over here!" 01:13:07 <|amethyst> would be easy enough to just split that into two keys 01:13:08 should i merge a rebased version of 263 01:13:37 hm 01:13:51 no! 01:13:54 squash it :) 01:13:59 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:14:00 then merge 01:14:06 that's friendfixit's PR 01:14:35 aw crap, what'd I do now 01:14:42 terrible commit messages 01:14:47 torvalds is turning in his grave 01:15:08 coming up with commit names is an art, not a science 01:15:11 i guess i meant to imply squashed 01:15:12 <|amethyst> Hmm 01:15:20 wrt rebase 01:15:22 mummy (15M) | Spd: 6 | HD: 3 | HP: 16-23 | AC/EV: 3/6 | Dam: 20 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 17 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:15:22 <|amethyst> %?? mummy 01:15:24 nay... a chore, not a science 01:15:27 bog body (03n) | Spd: 10 (swim: 140%) | HD: 6 | HP: 33-45 | AC/EV: 1/9 | Dam: 25, 412(cold:6-17) | 07undead, 10doors, amphibious, evil, spellcaster, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire, 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 262 | Sp: b.cold (3d14), slow | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:15:27 <|amethyst> %??bog body 01:15:42 <|amethyst> the speed is a pretty big nerf isn't it? 01:15:50 yes 01:16:11 <|amethyst> oh, but the damage isn't that much lower 01:16:54 ogre (07O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 22-33 | AC/EV: 1/6 | Dam: 17 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 118 | Sz: Large | Int: human. 01:16:54 <|amethyst> %??ogre 01:17:02 Lasty_: I noticed that faith seems to be basically swappable with Uka 01:17:07 03chequers02 07* 0.19-a0-96-ge7f0d29: Add silence/antimagic spell vulnerability info to x-v. 10(12 days ago, 1 file, 31+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e7f0d298c815 01:17:07 03chequers02 07* 0.19-a0-97-g6cda638: Update wording for non-spellbook spell listings. 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6cda638776af 01:17:07 03chequers02 07* 0.19-a0-98-gebbf4e3: Improve the wording for anti-magic brand description. 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ebbf4e3f5349 01:17:07 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-297-g7ea104e: Merge pull request #269 from alexjurkiewicz/describe-spell-vulnerabilities 10(11 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7ea104e0801b 01:17:12 I don't think anybody answered the first time so I'll ask again: does anyone know the original reason (if any) that xom torments you when he mutates you? jiyva doesn't do so, and alter self doesn't exist, so it's no longer a consistency thing 01:17:15 Also it's quite possible that the uka piety trove would be free 01:17:25 unless someone thought to disable this 01:18:02 faith + uka is also very strong in addition to being fairly swappable 01:18:26 yeah I've been using it, does feel very strong 01:19:09 just got an arte amulet that's not as good but something to swap for with resists 01:19:25 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-298-g1621dc9: Disable piety troves for Ukayaw 10(79 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1621dc961a92 01:19:48 sorry, forgot to credit you 01:19:54 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-293-gca33af5 (34) 01:19:57 ah, finally, the Holy Spirit is making commits based on my random sentences 01:20:04 let's try this 01:20:09 -!- JimmahDean has quit [] 01:20:10 It seems that nemelex should be removed 01:20:17 and felids... 01:20:30 I'm waiting, oh Lord 01:20:37 PleasingFungus: while you're at it, should Ru be blocked as well? I mean, you CAN charge ru piety as a toll, but that's really, really brutal 01:20:48 PleasingFungus: someone came into my stream and said something to the effect of 01:20:48 !commitby PleasingFungus Remove Nemelex and felids. 01:20:49 03PleasingFungus ⛐ 0.19-a0-169-gcc9bb56: Remove Nemelex and felids. 10(in the future, 41 files, 772+ 436-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc9bb56 01:20:52 wow! 01:20:59 There is a god!!! 01:21:00 friendfixit: i feel like there was discussion about this a while back 01:21:13 "I'm just so very happy that Hep disallows felids, I hate felids so much" 01:21:17 and then I told him... 01:21:17 somewhere in the logs.. 01:21:46 <|amethyst> I don't see a problem with piety troves existing under Ru 01:21:54 <|amethyst> any more than it's a problem for altars to exist under Ru 01:22:19 I can even see myself using Ru piety troves under some circumstances 01:22:25 <|amethyst> (altars to other gods that is) 01:22:39 <|amethyst> elliptic: maybe even circumstances that don't involve tournament banners? 01:22:42 <|amethyst> :) 01:22:43 yes 01:23:16 PleasingFungus: :) 01:24:03 sometimes I reject a few sacrifices early because I don't like my options and leave Lair with *** piety or so (without having sacrificed anything that important to me) 01:24:08 <|amethyst> oh, one disadvantage to that X<> behaviour revert 01:24:23 <|amethyst> X_ will no longer cycle to johnstein_pakellas_dig 01:24:39 ...should piety troves be disabled for Xom? 01:25:00 yeah, I'd probably be willing to give up a hundred piety or so for a ru trove, but not a full boat 01:25:38 <|amethyst> oh, btw 01:25:45 <|amethyst> "This portal proclaims the superiority of the material over the divine" 01:25:52 <|amethyst> IMO that should be part of the description too? 01:25:59 ? 01:26:04 like, dynamically based on lua? 01:26:10 <|amethyst> oh 01:26:22 don't troves already show their price when you xv them? 01:26:34 <|amethyst> right, I mean that sentence specifically 01:26:37 yeah they do 01:26:44 <|amethyst> to show up in xv and not just in the warning prompt 01:26:50 <|amethyst> since it's nice flavour 01:27:00 <|amethyst> but I guess 01:27:07 <|amethyst> the prompt actually gets seen 01:27:12 <|amethyst> who looks at xv? :) 01:27:22 I'm no filthy tiles player, man 01:28:10 <|amethyst> gammafunk plays on only the most pristine of tile 01:28:40 <|amethyst> the women's restrooms on Mount Athos 01:29:04 Like you don't get people like koboldina swearing at you that natasha's playing with a ball of yarn 01:29:07 if you play console 01:29:22 03chequers02 07* 0.18-a0-1573-g38e602f: Rework Spiny (player mutation) damage. 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/38e602fe9297 01:29:22 03chequers02 07* 0.18-a0-1574-ga0a17a2: Rework Powered By Death. 10(2 months ago, 5 files, 18+ 29-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a0a17a293572 01:29:22 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-301-gb6cdf32: Merge pull request #249 from alexjurkiewicz/ds-mut-nerfs 10(6 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b6cdf3269ba3 01:29:28 <|amethyst> gammafunk: instead, natasha is a dog 01:29:28 continues to insist this even after I verified with ontoclasm that it's a CRYSTAL BALL 01:29:37 |amethyst: haha, that's always bothered me 01:30:06 <|amethyst> dogs and bears I'm fine with 01:30:11 wwow that was the commit I assumed was most controversial 01:30:14 <|amethyst> they're fairly closely related 01:30:18 the year is 2022: console is now used only gamma and minqmay 01:30:27 *by 01:30:28 <|amethyst> I wasn't sure about the spiny change 01:30:35 <|amethyst> particularly, that it's a buff at XL 10 01:31:28 <|amethyst> but I guess only if you didn't get mut2 yet 01:31:30 pretty small buff, but yes 01:31:38 how does that one proc? 01:31:42 50% 01:31:43 every melee attack? 01:31:43 <|amethyst> also 01:31:56 <|amethyst> I am concerned about the formula 01:32:05 <|amethyst> random2avg(you.xl + mut, 2) 01:32:06 well, I don't exactly use console 01:32:13 I like the DsMut changes, but I'll note that Spiny 1 and Spiny 3 have very similar numbers 01:32:27 I just put my tongue in the usb port and identify it as both a monitor and a keyboard 01:32:30 hrm, true 01:32:34 and I see crawl in 3D in my head 01:32:36 yeah. I considered mut*2 01:32:38 <|amethyst> that means going from level 1 to level 3 of the mut increases the damage as much as going from XL 1 to XL 3 01:32:52 maybe i shouldn't have merged that one... 01:33:00 well it's easy to change 01:33:02 <|amethyst> I think mut*2 is also too small 01:33:11 <|amethyst> not small in terms of the final number 01:33:16 <|amethyst> but relative to the effect of xl 01:33:23 IMO the formula shouldn't depend on XL 01:33:35 yeah that seems a bad dependancy, I was going to say 01:33:47 the mutation level already depends on XL, it's a ds mutation 01:34:02 <|amethyst> elliptic: what else other than mutation level? 01:34:06 fwiw, I took cheq's numbers and made spiny3 about the same in DCSS-CA, but spiny1 a fair bit less, because our fork is crazybananasweird and you might wind up with Spiny1 but never get 3 01:34:14 |amethyst: why does it need to depend on anything else? what other mutations do that? 01:34:36 elliptic: breath weapons! sort of 01:34:40 the problem I was trying to solve: spiny currently does either too much damage at XL1 or is irrelevant at higher XLs 01:34:43 <|amethyst> elliptic: ABIL_BLINK does for the fail rate 01:34:56 <|amethyst> spit poison 01:35:03 okay, a couple do in minor ways, but most do not 01:35:05 I guess you can argue that it's fine to be moderate damage at XL1 and then irrelevant by XL10 01:35:14 chequers: free damage is never irrelevant 01:35:27 why is spiny doing too much damage at xl1 a problem? it's not even possible to get spiny at xl1 01:35:34 2 01:35:42 that's like saying that your weapon being +1 instead of +0 is irrelevant by XL 10 01:35:46 (it isn't) 01:35:49 All dmg is good damage, but not all dmg can be huge dmg 01:36:02 perhaps "negligible" rather than "irrelevant" 01:36:08 s/damage/dmg/ 01:36:14 <|amethyst> not negligible but 01:36:19 spiny is +5 damage pre-AC against an attacker at max level 01:36:20 <|amethyst> the impact seems kind of huge early on 01:36:22 poison spit gets irrelevant after a certain point 01:36:31 but it's not quite free damage as it takes a turn to use 01:36:39 isn't spiny like a t-2 mutation or something? 01:36:44 I don't understand ds muts very well 01:36:48 ??ds[spiny 01:36:48 I don't have a page labeled ds[spiny in my learndb. 01:36:54 me either. I think it's tier 2 01:36:58 <|amethyst> spiny is { -33, 0, 0} 01:37:11 numbers... 01:37:12 zxc: that's a good separate point, the XL scaling on breath weapons doesn't even do what is presumably its only job 01:37:35 |amethyst: well, could make it appear a bit later if necessary, or tier 1 could be weakened 01:38:06 <|amethyst> hm 01:38:20 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:38:52 <|amethyst> -33 means it could occur 2/3 of the way through your mutations, or it could occur as one of the first few mutations (I don't remember the special rules about the first mutation) 01:39:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 01:39:17 |amethyst: iirc there aren't any special rules about the first mut 01:39:23 <|amethyst> but I guess the same is true of body slots 01:39:45 frenzied monster 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10450 by KSK 01:40:11 -!- lordfrikk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:29 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:40:36 xom moving the staircase out of orcish mines appears to have permanently removed my ability to G< on orc:1 (but not any other form of autotravel out of orc) 01:40:42 <|amethyst> Yeah, I guess comparing it to body slot mutations I see the reasoning for not wanting it to scale by XL 01:41:15 <|amethyst> also 01:41:36 <|amethyst> chequers: what does that PbD thing do exactly? 01:42:09 <|amethyst> chequers: your PR title was nerfs, but the commit message says "might need a regen strength nerf now" which makes it sound like a buff 01:42:15 a summoned sixfirhy or sun demon is probably a lot more broken than whatever version of spiny does too much damage early game 01:42:41 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:43:02 how can you not understand this gamma? https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc#L1931 01:43:08 it's extremely readable 01:43:10 we could make demonic guardian the only ds mutation, then the power level would be balanced and minmay would be happy 01:43:16 wait, what 01:43:28 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:43:32 (jokes) 01:43:40 yeah, I didn't even try 01:44:23 balance isn't why i despise demonic guardian :P 01:44:45 |amethyst: so previously pbd had both a duration and strength 01:44:57 every time you killed something, duration was set to 10-20 turns (or whatever) 01:45:05 <|amethyst> chequers: aha 01:45:07 after that duration ended, pbd was deactivated, regardless of strength 01:45:23 now, there's a duration of 2-5 turns (or whatever), after that duration ends, a stack is removed 01:45:49 !lg hellmonk ds won 01:45:50 7. Hellmonk the Hawkeye (L27 DsAM of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-04-25 21:54:24, with 1550877 points after 85215 turns and 7:48:42. 01:46:02 <|amethyst> that doesn't sound like a nerf 01:46:04 so it's a bit of a simplification. In the old system higher mutlevel increased the overall duration and strength gain 01:46:04 !log hellmonk ds won 01:46:05 7. Hellmonk, XL27 DsAM, T:85215: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Hellmonk/morgue-Hellmonk-20160425-215424.txt 01:46:12 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:46:13 in the new system, mutlevel increases the strength gain 01:46:22 yeah, it's a rework 01:46:36 probably better to follow the commit subject rather than PR title in this case 01:46:52 torvold is rolling! 01:47:02 I wanted to nerf both mutations overall, but i wanted this sort of feedback :) 01:47:18 it was hard to understand the power level of pbd before, so it was hard to balance (imo) 01:48:50 <|amethyst> ah, I see 01:49:12 <|amethyst> you also reduce the strength increment chance effectively 01:49:19 <|amethyst> by having the possibility of incrementing by 0 01:49:46 <|amethyst> s/ effectively/, in effect/ 01:50:02 IMO PbD was overrated by most people (though it was still good) 01:50:19 heh these commits lay dormant for so long I didn't even remember that change until you mentioned it 01:50:33 <|amethyst> elliptic: I think it might be one of those things that helps bad players more than good 01:50:39 <|amethyst> elliptic: perhaps spiny too 01:50:58 spiny1 would 1shot almost everything except ogres until temple 01:51:01 yay elliptic agrees with me 01:51:04 |amethyst: well, I think it might just be one of these things that people like because of the best case 01:51:12 without thinking about the worst case sufficiently 01:51:23 !goldstar minmay 01:51:32 gammafunk: i have an eye condition where i can't tell yarn and crystal apart 01:51:46 <|amethyst> elliptic: "thinking about the worst case sufficiently" is most of "good player", isn't it? :) 01:52:01 ontoclasm: don't retract your support! 01:52:06 spiny has changed enough times since I last played with it that I don't have much feeling about the current balance 01:52:36 there should be a body armor that gives you spiny 3 01:53:10 <|amethyst> robe of thorns, to go with robe of vines 01:53:11 you could always make spiny like a more thorns-thing. Reflect a % of damage 01:53:14 spiky scales mail, like from a D&D 4e dragon / armor set? 01:53:28 <|amethyst> they do say 01:53:31 @??death knight 01:53:31 death knight (03p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 67-93 | AC/EV: 10/9 | Dam: 28 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 912 | Sp: agony [11!AM], injury mirror [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:53:33 <|amethyst> every robe has its thorn 01:53:38 I mean, injury mirror 01:53:40 |amethyst: stop 01:53:41 stop dad 01:53:48 winner: |amethyst 01:53:50 just like every night has it's dawn? 01:53:57 or knight perhaps 01:53:58 <|amethyst> !cmd !dadjoke !glasses 01:53:59 Defined command: !dadjoke => !glasses 01:54:02 <|amethyst> !dadjoke 01:54:03 ( •_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) 01:54:29 <|amethyst> chequers: you see, I'm old enough to be a dad, but don't have any kids 01:54:35 every cobdeath sings a sad, sad, song 01:54:38 <|amethyst> chequers: so you IRC folks (and my wife) get to suffer 01:54:51 ( �@�_�@�) ( �@�_�@�)>�LP�V�-�V� (�LP�V�_�V�), a classic dad joke 01:56:02 |amethyst: rip 01:56:03 <|amethyst> looks like you've had an 01:56:05 <|amethyst> emojibake 01:56:14 <|amethyst> chequers: you see, I'm old enough to be a dad, but don't have any kids 01:56:18 -!- chequers has left ##crawl-dev 01:56:18 -!- chequers has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:21 technically this is true of a lot of people 01:56:40 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-301-gb6cdf32 01:56:41 <|amethyst> I suppose that is true 01:56:42 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:57:44 i wanna submit a PR that lets demonspawn choose their muts 01:57:47 who's with me??? 01:57:55 that one guy on tavern 01:58:06 <|amethyst> when coworkers who are my age talk about their teenage children 01:58:20 chequers: I have long wanted a one-time ability that rerolls one of your muts 02:00:01 <|amethyst> chequers: I would support that, if you also calculate the probability of having gotten that combination of mutations, and credit the player for the reciprocal number of quits 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:20 <|amethyst> chequers: then it's just a UI convenience around startscumming 02:00:20 :) 02:00:27 what about -1 XL to reroll a mut tier 02:02:17 in vaults can you mark a door as 'not to be opened by monsters' 02:02:18 without runing it 02:02:41 I will support any mut rerolling that has some sort of limitation on it. dswn is kinda popular, and as amethyst found out from sequell, dswn players embrace randomness (and do not quit) somewhat more often than other --Wn players 02:04:14 <|amethyst> !source minmay_acid_items 02:04:14 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des#l2952 02:04:20 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:05:38 confusion is a magical, dispellable effect. berserk is not. which category is frenzy in? 02:06:21 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: in my flavourful opinion, berserk should be dispellable unless it came from trog 02:06:34 augh 02:06:36 <|amethyst> :P 02:06:41 please don't add conditionals like that... 02:06:48 at this time 02:06:51 <|amethyst> where does frenzy come from other than needles? 02:06:56 Discord 02:07:07 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:07:25 <|amethyst> hm 02:07:43 <|amethyst> I'd say dispellable then 02:07:52 is this for yara 02:07:55 <|amethyst> comparing with confusion, which also comes on needles and spells 02:08:05 also, i had a great dream about yara's wizlab 02:08:06 <|amethyst> yara, purple drac, ... 02:08:16 it's in the shape of a dragon and it's full of quicksilver dragons 02:08:47 make it 02:09:07 needs a ton of guys that cast, like, corona on you 02:09:12 <|amethyst> put a giant space fly in it 02:09:12 and then yara's 02:09:20 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-301-gb6cdf32 (34) 02:09:22 <|amethyst> Yara's Revenge 02:09:25 |amethyst: i would draw a giant space fly so fast 02:09:38 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: inspiration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yars%27_Revenge 02:09:40 actually i have already drawn a giant mutant fly person 02:09:53 ...huh 02:09:55 <|amethyst> look at that sweet cover art 02:09:56 space flies are for lehudib's moon base 02:10:00 <|amethyst> it's actually a really good game 02:10:01 that is a sweet robofly 02:10:19 <|amethyst> I mean, as far as Atari 2600 shooters go 02:10:19 yara is just endless quicksilver dragons 02:10:37 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:37 |amethyst: should i also make berserk dispellable 02:10:42 i'm feeling like 'no' 02:10:58 but it'd be weird to have confusion dispellable, frenzy dispellable, but not berserk 02:11:14 berserk is already a bit of a super special case 02:11:21 <|amethyst> is trog's hand dispellable? 02:11:52 really. two games in a row with dsgl, my first mutation is fingernails and an ecumenical altar gives me Vehumet 02:11:57 it is not 02:12:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah, then it's a tough call 02:12:20 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: go with your gut I say 02:12:27 <|amethyst> HUGE GUT 02:12:35 rude 02:12:41 i don't think i like the gameplay ramifications of making berserk dispellbale 02:12:44 *dispellable 02:12:51 <|amethyst> oh 02:12:52 <|amethyst> bears 02:13:04 was just thinking about players and purple dracs, tbh 02:13:07 but generally it's a mess 02:13:16 frenzy... idk. i wish we communicated this more clearly 02:13:25 evokable berserk is certainly magical in nature 02:13:41 needles are weird in general, frenzy or no 02:13:53 <|amethyst> friendfixit: yeah, but we probably don't want to split berserk into two different things 02:13:56