00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:31 i.e. 00:00:34 remove derived undead 00:00:34 is it to make them all differently coloured Zs 00:00:37 ha 00:01:04 it is unlikely to happen but i am 100% serious actually 00:01:05 be happy I decided to not suggest a fifth 00:02:49 would it be less information overhead if all of the "good" zombie archetypes - trampling and constriction and speed flier - were used as specific groups instead of providing modifiers 00:03:13 or would that just be bad for yred and the necromancy school 00:03:28 i would be fine with replacing derived undead with like... 4 distinct zombies, 4 distinct spectres etc. 00:04:01 what bothers me is that every living monster in the game creates all these derived pseudo-monsters 00:04:08 all of which are very very similar 00:04:23 except when they aren't, and kill you 00:05:18 thus you have the situation where e.g. shrikes get implemented and people go "hey a bat zombie - dang RIP" 00:05:57 and then we get people whining about how shrike zombies should have their own tile 00:06:04 thanks to the new firestarter cloud immunity it is a lot more fun to not have to back up when doing kaboom murders 00:06:38 ...apparently we have unique zombie TLH tiles now 00:06:39 a fair concern of ambiguity 00:06:59 i feel like the bat-class zombies are particularly bad 00:07:00 though people need to read in some compacity 00:07:07 jug zombies are/were the same problem 00:07:08 bat, harpy, shrike 00:07:19 somebody wanted us to have -distinct- snapping turtle and alligator zombie tiles 00:07:29 juggernaut zombies have a tile, and not the other derived juggernauts, right 00:07:33 i believe so 00:07:34 alligator snapping turtle, that is 00:07:36 not sure 00:07:47 correct 00:08:01 (okay, I feel marginally bad about using high-power derived undead all over the place >>_>>) 00:08:06 ontoclasm: do you remember the guy who was extremely angry that alligator snapping turtles were named such, because he got killed by an alligator snapping turtle zombie in shoals, because he thought it was an alligator zombie 00:08:11 yes 00:08:28 i guess his eyes just started kinda glazing over midway through 00:08:32 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:08:33 which is sort of understandable 00:09:19 for now, maybe an implementable of "derived undead tiles for all scary types, or at least groups to divide e.g. hill giant skeleton and iron giant skeleton"? 00:09:42 regret-index: i mean... if people want to make them, sure 00:09:49 but i feel like this is a slippery slope 00:10:00 yeah 00:10:20 do goblins abd hobgoblins deserve different zombie tiles? 00:10:29 @??gobling zombie 00:10:29 unknown monster: "gobling zombie" 00:10:31 er 00:10:39 i don't think it matter if they *deserve* them, given someone *made* them 00:10:39 @??goblin zombie 00:10:39 goblin zombie (07Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 1 | HP: 7-10 | AC/EV: 0/7 | Dam: 3 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(1), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: brainless. 00:10:39 i think the cost here is the cost of making them 00:10:44 @??hobgoblin zombie 00:10:44 hobgoblin zombie (07Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 1 | HP: 7-10 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 4 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(1), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless. 00:11:07 25% more DPR! 00:11:44 the problem is that if you start separating out every dangerous monster 00:11:52 people will expect that to be the case 00:12:25 which makes the problem of "oh that vicious X looked like a normal trash Y and then it killed me" 00:12:28 even worse 00:12:42 and viciousness is relative 00:12:46 hence, a strategy of complete chaos with no discernable pattern - 00:12:54 it's the only way to prevent player deaths! 00:12:58 in otherwords, crawl :P 00:13:09 PleasingFungus: hey i gave my preferred solution :D 00:13:25 :) 00:14:35 just teach players to spam ^X constantly 00:15:54 i think it should be the case that dangerous monsters have their own tile 00:16:08 regardless of whether the current crawl set makes players "expect" thit to be the case or not 00:16:23 cf. jugg zombies killing surprised players 00:17:02 chequers: (a) it's hard to define "dangerous"; (b) if you could, it is a common suggestion to just remove non-dangerous monsters, because what are they even doing in the game 00:17:35 sorry, not trying to make a point about dictionary definitions 00:17:43 make all derived undead more dangerous than the base monster. 00:18:09 I meant that example as "jugg zombies had the generic ogre zombie tile, but were 10x scarier than anything else with that tile" 00:18:09 well, certain monsters are used mostly as out-of-depths 00:18:11 the lasty monsters 00:19:19 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:49 i wonder if SKELETON_FISH is used anywhere. eels? 00:19:54 chequers: i just think it's impossible to satisfy that rule 00:20:00 juggernaut skeletons have the generic giant skeleton tile and still are massively scarier than anything else with that tile 00:20:03 eel zombies are the saddest thing 00:20:10 ??the saddest thing 00:20:10 the saddest thing[1/6]: archer statues that have run out of ammo 00:20:25 you need at the very minimum dozens more tiles than we currently have 00:20:26 wow good article 00:20:32 ??the saddest thing[3] 00:20:32 the saddest thing[3/6]: electric eel zombies 00:20:34 there we go 00:20:43 i am glad this exists 00:21:03 ontoclasm: perfection is impossible therefore it's not a worthwhile goal? 00:21:18 careful with this rhetoric 00:22:04 fair enough. I guess my point is that the metric for when a monster gets unique derived tiles could be a human hueristic rather than an iron-clad rule that the artists are lashed with 00:22:42 when jugg zombies were surprisingly killing players it wasn't the end of the world, just some players died. The problem can be addressed reactively 00:22:43 chequers: i understand your point, and i can see why juggernaut zombie tiles were requested 00:23:19 but the problem i see is, what's to stop somebody going "well, if juggs get a tile, why not stone giants?" 00:23:32 "if shrikes get a tile, why not harpies?" 00:24:12 and if they want to do that work, then sure, but i personally don't want to 00:24:13 just to check our perspective is aligned, in the most perfect world would you like every monster to have unique derived tiles, or do you think that's needless visual clutter 00:24:20 ontoclasm: no one is making you do it! 00:24:24 no one is even asking you to 00:24:29 PleasingFungus: i know 00:24:30 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:24:43 i think those are all perfectly reasonable tile requests. well, stone giants maybe slightly less so 00:24:49 but harpies in particular i called out earlier :) 00:24:55 there will always be more work in crawl 00:24:55 chequers: with derived undead as they currently exist i'm pretty sure there's no way i'll be happy with their tiles 00:24:59 for code and tiles both! 00:25:18 :D 00:25:31 they are already visual clutter to an absurd degree 00:25:39 fr simulacrum ettin tile 00:25:42 since like 98% of them are meaningless fodder 00:25:52 but they all have special snowflake tiles because 00:26:11 clearly become a c++ dev and start removing monsters >_> 00:26:29 i mean 00:26:34 i feel like zombies are much less fodder these days 00:26:36 outside extended 00:26:50 since the Great Reverb Purge removed slow zombies from d generation 00:27:04 PleasingFungus: perhaps 00:27:09 depths necromancers get anything from shrikes to base tengu, though 00:27:10 ontoclasm: isn't that true of even non-derived monsters? most of them are just indistinguishable junk most of the time 00:27:16 yeah, necromancers are 00:27:17 a weird monster 00:27:27 non-derived monsters don't usually share the same palette 00:27:44 amalloy: certainly sometimes, but then they have things like spells and such to distinguish them 00:27:46 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:28:03 we should streamline it down to that python crawl rewrite 00:28:05 that had like 20 monsters 00:28:05 a horde of elves is a rainbow, a horde of zombies is a shambling mass of grey-black-brown flesh with pink blood 00:28:08 27 maybe 00:28:59 someone said "shambling mass of grey-black-brown flesh with pink blood" and my ears started burning 00:29:39 where are my 50 zombie tartarus vaults, nicolae- 00:29:43 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-139-gefc6d61 (34) 00:30:02 i guess partly the problem is that, in cases where zombies appear, it's generally along the lines of 00:30:11 "here are 30 random zombies, enjoy" 00:30:27 nothing like finding that one human zombie in early ossuary that might hurt you 00:30:33 yes 00:30:37 there are many uses of zombies 00:30:46 some are good. some are bad. 00:30:48 this is my wisdom. 00:31:13 can we create a comprehensive list of good zombie uses- 00:31:28 the tao of PleasingFungus. "in all things, balance. except for some things" 00:31:36 !oneandwon 00:31:39 Chars won first try for gammafunk: CeAr, SpHu, VpSu, DrNe, KoMo, TrWr, DDGl, VSCj, GhMo, KoEn, DrMo, HuSu 00:31:45 er 00:31:49 !lg . deen 00:31:50 4. gammafunk the Imperceptible (L25 DEEn of Zin), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-05-17 04:30:55, with 1449072 points after 88567 turns and 7:01:42. 00:31:52 oh dammit 00:31:57 whatever 00:32:05 !lg gammafunk deen -2 00:32:06 3/4. gammafunk the Sneak (L7 DEEn of Zin), slain by an ogre (a +0 giant club) on D:5 on 2016-04-27 04:07:37, with 991 points after 6204 turns and 0:26:29. 00:32:13 i guess 00:32:18 !oneandwon gammafunk t 00:32:21 Chars won first try for gammafunk: CeAr, SpHu, VpSu, DrNe, KoMo, TrWr, DDGl, VSCj, GhMo, KoEn, DrMo, HuSu 00:32:22 -!- shummie has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:32:28 doesn't work with t I think 00:32:33 ok nvm you don't get it 00:32:34 hmm. D necromancers, depths necromancers, ossuaries, ice caves, random vaults, crypt, hells? 00:32:41 but all my wins in t were oneandwon 00:33:00 swamp 00:34:39 question: is there some sort of lua function or something to use when placing subvaults that won't crash or do an error if the subvault can't place. try_subvault or the like. 00:34:59 i suspect not but it couldn't hurt to ask 00:35:49 gammafunk: you're a hard man to keep up with 00:36:04 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:36:04 just glad I have zin over with 00:36:09 was a nice orb ninja 00:36:20 thanks to sanctuary and perfect landing after the orbtele 00:36:29 and initial landing was also very good 00:36:40 i've had great zot teles all tournament. very lucky 00:37:30 yeah same 00:37:39 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:dungeon:branch:propose:purgatory type type type type 00:37:42 Only my MuSu runs have been trash 00:37:56 i lost a MiCj today. very embarrassing 00:38:16 aw, sad 00:38:17 got frustrated with running from stair to stair, tried to take on an ogre while hasted 00:38:20 !lg amalloy micj 00:38:21 1. amalloy the Basher (L6 MiCj of Elyvilon), mangled by an ogre (a +0 giant spiked club) on D:6 on 2016-05-17 00:32:11, with 512 points after 6815 turns and 0:31:08. 00:38:29 wow, ely 00:38:39 wow? 00:39:01 ely is so strong in lair for a little investment, and scoring great 00:39:08 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:39:11 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:17 No it's reasonable for winning a nem choice and what you say is true, just not often paired with Mi 00:39:27 apis roleplaying 00:39:33 ah, that's it 00:39:38 ha 00:39:45 gammafunk: you mean because oka or trog instead? 00:39:51 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 00:39:52 yeah typical Mi choices 00:39:54 i might have done that if i'd found one of them 00:39:56 I assume early altar 00:40:01 well actually 00:40:08 new ely is pretty deng strong though 00:40:10 i guess i probly did find one, since i took ely in temple 00:40:17 but i was like, i want dem points 00:40:22 how can i possibly die as Mi 00:40:22 makes sense 00:40:27 don't know if deen got me much 00:40:31 zin probably worth good points? 00:40:34 yeah 00:40:39 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:40:50 (hmm, I wonder if ely/zin wraths should get these sketched out holies) 00:41:02 92 god_win:zin 00:41:16 now 88, rip 00:41:18 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:42:06 !worthygods 00:42:13 ah that's a kramell command 00:43:03 I'm ranked no. 69, :doomguy: 00:43:28 amalloy no. 50, very auspicious numbers for team www 00:43:31 gammafunk, you usurped my spot (yesterday I was rank 69 with 69 total wins O_O) 00:43:34 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:44:06 can players get rHoly? 00:44:14 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:44:19 @??tarantella 00:44:19 tarantella (13s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 24-33 | AC/EV: 3/14 | Dam: 1913(confuse) | web sense | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | XP: 215 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 00:44:24 @??wolf spider 00:44:24 wolf spider (00s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 11 | HP: 45-65 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 25, 1508(poison:22-44) | web sense | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 567 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:44:29 @??emperor scorpion 00:44:29 emperor scorpion (15s) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 101-139 | AC/EV: 20/12 | Dam: 3008(poison:28-56), 1509(claw), 1509(claw) | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 1629 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 00:44:44 !gameinfo PleasingFungus 00:44:44 n1: the funny number... 00:44:46 pleasingfungus the L23 TeCj^Veh in Depths:5 (cjr tiles), T:62104, runes: 2 (gossamer, decaying), defenses: 20/19/8, stats: 11/22/16, >15 skills: Maces & Flails,Spellcasting,Conjurations,Fire Magic,Air Magic 00:44:55 heh...heh 00:44:56 contemplating going for 15 on that guy 00:45:05 if i can avoid splatting stupidly 00:45:12 which, as you know, is a personal weakness 00:45:18 i feel like i should do extended at some point. it's been a while. 00:45:20 yeah tbh as long as you avoid dying 15 is ez 00:46:08 1learn add guru_wisdom 00:46:36 one swamp effect I like is the thorn hunter bush creation -- maybe that could be an ophan thing 00:46:46 since it's not used elsewhere, and a lot of holy pan normally is running away a lot 00:47:07 hmm. what's their version of briars? 00:47:15 friars 00:47:58 -!- miek_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:48:40 PleasingFungus: ascend now so you can play the current nemelex choice, your absolute favorite 00:48:47 !nchoice 00:48:50 HaNe: 0 wins || neurodan: CBRO, L6 Cutter of Kikubaaqudgha 00:48:51 lmao 00:49:16 clearly should continue with the zoroaster theme and replace ophan with haoma or whatever 00:49:27 regret-index: BURNING BUSHES 00:49:56 heck. you could summon grates or something, that'd be unique 00:50:04 don't know how to react to that notion 00:51:08 the general dynamic is that players like having terrain around - hence monsters having dig but not Create Wall, usually 00:51:23 does smite work through grates? 00:51:44 yes 00:51:44 that would be different 00:51:46 and rude 00:52:16 there's going to be, like, six or eight renamed juggernauts per holybranch 00:52:24 have them make weird silver walls around the player 00:52:25 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:28 that do cool things 00:52:37 tomb of zi 00:52:39 n 00:52:42 like slimy walls, but with silver damage 00:52:45 emprison 00:52:56 zinprison 00:52:59 imprizin 00:53:03 ok i'll stop 00:54:21 (okay, maybe more like four or six) 00:57:00 -!- eurtek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:47 &mspider zombie: crash 01:04:31 huh, jumping spiders are bigger than redbacks? 01:04:34 @??jumping spider 01:04:34 jumping spider (12s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 26-39 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 2000(ensnare), 8 | web sense | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 301 | Sp: blink close [11!AM, 06!sil], blink away [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 01:04:35 @??redback 01:04:36 redback (04s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 9 | HP: 23-31 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 1804(strong poison:33-58) | web sense | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 220 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 01:04:37 @??wolf spider 01:04:37 wolf spider (00s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 11 | HP: 45-65 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 25, 1508(poison:22-44) | web sense | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 567 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 01:04:48 i feel like they should be small... 01:04:54 @??tarantella 01:04:54 tarantella (13s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 24-33 | AC/EV: 3/14 | Dam: 1913(confuse) | web sense | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | XP: 215 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 01:06:23 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:06:35 clearly need a certain size to be able to make a troll-entwining web fast enough 01:07:30 i might shrink them for very silly reasons 01:07:35 i don't think their size really matters for anything? 01:07:39 small/medium difference 01:07:46 i guess it'd be a chunk nerf... 01:07:54 oh, they're noxious 01:07:59 ghoul nerf 01:08:55 actually, i would expect redbacks to be tiny 01:09:15 so don't change that 01:09:18 unless you want to be unrealistic 01:09:20 wasn't going to 01:09:34 my actual surprise was that jumping spiders were as big as wolf spiders 01:09:44 their tile and their damage don't suggest it... 01:09:59 the size is in the legs, as opposed to the mandibles 01:11:22 hrm 01:11:24 CanOfWorms 01:11:47 i am about to commit art 01:11:53 stop me if you dare 01:12:04 nooooooo 01:12:08 read 'commit' here not as in 'commit to git' but as in 'commit a crime' 01:12:25 still noooooooo 01:14:58 ontoclasm, https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jmbjr/crawl/e39017f598dc9b251903cabac5ceaca3d1666050/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/item/amulet/key.png 01:16:04 still looks a bit busy. like I'm "overworking the clay" so to speak. that's always my problem with pixel art 01:16:46 looks pretty cool though 01:19:41 are you using any references for the key? 01:20:09 pf: !!! 01:22:13 johnstein: looks better :D 01:23:41 http://i.imgur.com/AiO1cpD.png 01:23:57 tail and midsection are the messiest 01:24:08 :o 01:24:11 wing could also use some work. head and rear wing are okay 01:24:15 spoilers: this is an edit 01:24:19 edit/recolour 01:25:01 feels almost like an optical illusion situation, like you could see the rear wing as being in front... 01:25:16 anyway, any tips on fixing up the tail/front claw suggestion would be appreciated 01:25:22 *situation 01:27:55 PleasingFungus: darken parts that are further away 01:28:09 there is some odd irony in using a removed monster's tile as the zombie base for others of the same glyph / shape 01:29:11 -!- Pekkekke has quit [] 01:29:54 see for example the hornet tile 01:30:10 back wing and back legs are darker, so they seem further back 01:30:54 http://i.imgur.com/kUAB1ae.png 01:31:05 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:31:07 i added two more colours, thereby violating my most dearly-held pixel convictions 01:31:30 hm, i guess the back wing could also be darkened 01:31:45 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:31:52 tail is still sort of a mess, but the front claw and front wing are both working much better 01:31:59 ty! 01:32:21 regret-index: :) 01:33:54 ugh, there's no bird genus 01:34:07 hereby, all birds are of the... 01:34:12 bennu genus? 01:34:45 the one thing caustic shrikes need is to explode and resurrect, yes 01:36:16 some irony also in using bennu as a genus for zombie purposes 01:38:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:42:15 CanOfWorms, just some google searches for key images. 01:42:49 but I quickly realized I couldn't quite creat what I was going for 01:42:51 and it just evolved 01:42:55 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:51:08 .gfgk 01:51:09 99. Ultraviolent4 the Shatterer (L19 OgSu of Okawaru), slain by a green very ugly thing in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2016-05-17 02:37:13, with 247706 points after 27306 turns and 2:48:40. 01:51:15 Good, an aussie kill 01:51:22 .gfgk x=src 01:51:23 99. [src=cpo] Ultraviolent4 the Shatterer (L19 OgSu of Okawaru), slain by a green very ugly thing in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2016-05-17 02:37:13, with 247706 points after 27306 turns and 2:48:40. 01:51:28 and I can't even watch the footv 01:51:40 chequers: are you not even recording ttyrecs? 01:51:46 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-140-g8b64045: Roctavian's zombie/skeleton tiles 10(41 minutes ago, 23 files, 110+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8b64045943c6 01:51:46 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-141-g856e40b: Zombie bird tile 10(14 minutes ago, 4 files, 8+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/856e40b934a8 01:51:46 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-142-g98010b71: Shrink jumping spiders slightly 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/98010b718984 01:51:46 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-143-gd109d65: Don't crash when trying to place a zombie dummy 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d109d6509530 01:57:31 Should book shops really sell duplicates of the same book? 01:57:54 (in the same shop) 01:58:07 book amnesia! 01:58:09 should any shop sell duplicates of any non-consumable / ring 01:58:23 its worst with books 01:58:31 true 01:59:06 maybe i want *both* of those Fragile "rage, since there's no !berserk around 01:59:17 at least when a shop has two +0 cloaks, you think that one of both of them could have been special 01:59:40 when they have two necronomicons, well, they are the exact same thing 01:59:53 ??crosstraining 01:59:53 cross training[1/2]: 40% of the exp (not levels!) in any weapon skill is used to boost the cross-trained skill for free. Short <-> Long Blades, Maces <-> Axes, Axes <-> Polearms, Polearms <-> Staves, Maces <-> Staves, Slings <-> Throwing 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:31 gammafunk: i am, but old ones don't work for some reason 02:00:37 i haven't bothered looking into it 02:00:42 oh, can I watch that tv then? 02:00:44 .gfgk -tv 02:00:45 99. Ultraviolent4, XL19 OgSu, T:27306 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 02:01:04 this tv appears to work 02:01:04 oh, nice 02:01:41 ttyrecs from a few days ago don't always work 02:01:41 wow, this is...quite something... 02:01:46 after they get compressed 02:02:13 gonna have to see how that disaster unfolded 02:02:33 .moon name=ultraviolent4 -tv:channel=moon:>$ 02:02:38 4. Ultraviolent4, XL19 OgSu, T:26027 (milestone) requested for moon: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 02:03:49 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:03:59 golden eyes... 02:04:05 good game 02:04:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:04:23 I need to go back and add giant eyeballs to moon base 02:04:29 chequers: Did you get my message? :) 02:05:07 chequers, how are you running the compress script? 02:05:30 this is the Hero Golden Eye they tell of in the prophesies... 02:05:31 johnstein: I tried adding experimental support, but "dgl update-trunk branchname" doesn't seem to work? 02:05:44 How do you install an experimental branch? 02:05:44 I've never run that command Mattias 02:05:46 oh 02:05:55 Mattias: what did it do? 02:06:14 gammafunk: Well, if trunk was already installed at first, nothing really happend. if it was not, it failed 02:06:29 I'll check it out in a sec 02:06:30 I wondered if golden eyes could get the same "single bandless mobile monster" to join their band in the same way I did for giant eyeballs and eyes of draining 02:06:30 I don't have the error message here right now, it was at home 02:06:40 hm 02:06:54 but one of the valid choices for that in Slime is shining eyes, so I think I've introduced enough additional shining eyes 02:06:56 CanOfWorms: what's your opinion of the roctavian shadow imp? 02:07:56 Mattias, https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config/commit/f01b68647023ffa7db5bbcd296e17e01fe250021 02:08:08 have to first make inprogress directories 02:08:44 CanOfWorms: i feel like you mostly just see the little magic thing around its hand (which i guess is blue = necro magic = pain?), which feels weird - it looks like an electric monster 02:08:45 it's fiddly. one reason I think |amethyst stopped wanting to mess with them 02:08:54 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest30157 02:08:54 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-143-gd109d65 (34) 02:08:55 johnstein: inprogress dirs part already done and working 02:09:01 good! 02:09:15 then the commit should explain everything else I think 02:09:24 hm, I used git launcher... yeah, I got things to change 02:09:30 johnstein: so you just run against crawl-git? 02:09:35 http://i.imgur.com/U6EMXCc.png if anyone else wants to opine 02:09:43 oh. and you have to restart the dglnotify script after installing/adding new versions 02:09:56 though on a light background you can only see the imp and not the magic spark, haha... 02:09:56 yeah, I noticed that, I haven't really added it at all yet 02:09:57 no, it uses the stable launcher 02:10:09 more golden eyes from the lunar statue... 02:10:15 @??lunar statue-spec 02:10:15 unknown monster: "lunar statue-spec" 02:10:19 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:10:20 @??lunar statue--spec 02:10:20 unknown monster: "lunar statue--spec" 02:10:21 aw 02:10:22 johnstein: so, no commands to run after these changes? 02:10:25 @??lunar statue 02:10:25 lunar statue (138) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 57-80 | AC/EV: 12/1 | 11non-living, unbreathing, 07vault | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 726 | Sp: brain feed [06!sil], draining gaze [06!sil], crystal spear (3d28) [06!sil], shadow creatures [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 02:10:29 johnstein: that is, no dgl commands 02:10:31 -32 cor 02:10:31 i was wondering what it was based on 02:10:36 don't think so 02:10:37 -40 cor 02:10:42 -48... 02:10:43 i'm so glad for rust devils 02:10:44 -48 02:10:56 HOW LOW CAN YOU GO 02:10:57 johnstein: thanks, I'll rewrite the experimentals part, and add states today (state: absent etc to remove versions) 02:10:59 -56! -64! 02:11:05 this is...yes...this is my favorite moon base tv 02:11:08 right now the git version fails at experimentals ;) 02:11:12 heh 02:11:12 of the ansible playbook 02:11:19 probably good that it fails :) 02:11:25 experimentals are weird 02:11:39 holy shit, he lived 02:11:43 saved by the bell 02:11:45 even weirder since I think we use the git rcfiles 02:11:47 johnstein: I also need to know how to select webtiles version, or how to install for example webtiles-changes 02:11:54 I plan to add an option for that 02:12:06 definitely should use webtiles-changes 02:12:07