00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:08 -!- Orphics_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:00:24 I had a suggestion at the time, but it redefined existing terms and |amethyst didn't like it for being too confusing for existing players 00:01:26 i think i disliked this idea too! 00:01:29 if i'm remembering it 00:01:39 hmm. I think I have an idea on putting _some_ walls into the shoals garden end. not very certain about doing that, though, instead of just cutting the end that makes the most dangerous lair branch end almost entirely open 00:02:07 has anybody seen it during the tournament? I'd like outside confirmations for my repeated spite against it 00:02:08 I don't quite remember, but I think it was using 'magical' to mean 'spellbook spell' rather than 'demonic' 00:03:21 -!- HoloIRCUser4 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:03:21 <|amethyst> I think the 2x2 grid is reasonable, and all four slots are meaningful 00:03:33 <|amethyst> that wasn't the case before the merge 00:03:49 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:03:58 i also agreed about the 2x2 grid! we just disagreed about a small detail of implementation, iirc 00:04:13 my way was superior in some respect, yours made it easier to derive the name of the spell type 00:04:18 do you think the current end-user-visible names are acceptable? I find them very ambiguous 00:04:28 acceptable is a funny word choice 00:04:38 i think they're completely unacceptable. they're awful and they repulse me. 00:04:41 frankly, they make me sick! 00:05:10 well, here's how they're rendered in x-v: 00:05:11 It has mastered one of the following spellbooks / It has mastered certain demonic abilities / It can call on its god for the following abilities / It has the following innate abilities 00:05:16 nope 00:05:23 that's not how htey're rendered 00:06:15 how are they? 00:07:03 demonic abilities are gone, remember? 00:07:23 ...i guess i'm being kind of a pain here. 00:07:39 <|amethyst> It has mastered {the following spells,one of the following spellbooks. / It possesses {one of the following sets of,the following} {magical,divine,special} abilities 00:07:43 -!- Orphics has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:07:50 <|amethyst> s/\./}/ 00:08:15 see, neil is being useful, i'm just being an ass 00:08:21 i'm a disgrace to the dcss dev community. 00:08:29 apparently 00:08:34 <|amethyst> It would be nice to make more clear which things are affected by silence and which by antimagic 00:08:46 oh right, my local compile is ancient heh 00:08:47 <|amethyst> well, antimagic it does kind of indicate 00:08:48 what if i told you... it's in the manual.... 00:08:53 <|amethyst> "spells" and "magical" 00:09:12 PleasingFungus: I don't think enough people read it for that to be worth much 00:09:15 i'd say that "priests aren't affected by antimagic" is the big surprise 00:09:21 chequers: that is the usual joke, yes 00:09:23 <|amethyst> but it's not clear that "spells" and "divine abilities" mean "silenceable" 00:09:27 the other joke is that i also can't remember whether it's in there or not 00:09:32 arguably that's the same joke 00:09:53 How about adding an epilog after each section 00:10:11 m:tg style rules text 00:10:13 <|amethyst> would take up less space to put it in the prolog 00:10:16 ya 00:10:30 <|amethyst> It has mastered the following spells (sil, am) 00:10:34 It has mastered the following spells (which are affected by antimagic and silence) 00:10:41 +1 PleasingFungus's 00:10:46 PleasingFungus' ? 00:10:48 <|amethyst> that's two lines! 00:10:49 except mine is wrong 00:10:57 since it's not the spells which are affected by am 00:10:58 that's going to be a lot of extra text to skim 00:11:03 they just tag the monster as being affect-able 00:11:07 effect- 00:11:10 idk 00:11:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: ? 00:11:11 -!- monosyllabic has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:11:15 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: are you sure? 00:11:16 am i crazy 00:11:19 regret-index: do you think there's a more compact way? 00:11:20 i am absolutely not sure. 00:11:33 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: if (mons->has_ench(ENCH_ANTIMAGIC) && flags & MON_SPELL_ANTIMAGIC_MASK 00:11:34 what pf just said 00:11:44 :) 00:11:46 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it happens when a monster tries to cast an antimagickable spell 00:11:57 huh 00:12:07 the information overhead cost... 00:12:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: if it has both kinds, the divine/nature abilities won't falter 00:12:17 rcfile option to not display rules text 00:12:35 I do agree it's a lot of extra information for two relatively niche effects 00:12:50 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: rcfile option to show exact damage, spell power, etc. numbers 00:12:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I mean, other than wizmode 00:12:59 but I think the current situation leaves the interactions almost mystical to a player 00:13:00 anyway my only substantial opinion is "invocations" or something might be better than "divine abilities" if nothing else is done 00:13:12 holiness: a bitwise OR of one or more of: 00:13:13 <|amethyst> I was thinking "prayer" 00:13:18 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:13:19 what does that mean? 00:13:24 <|amethyst> but "invocation" is good 00:13:43 <|amethyst> Naruni: do you know binary? 00:14:12 |amethyst: i'm not sure what you're trying to get at there 00:14:18 only the joke about there being 10 types of people in this world 00:14:25 or was it 01 00:14:28 i'd probably be fine with just doing that, i think the old justifications for not displaying real numbers have worn kind of thin 00:14:36 but you might be making a joke that's going over my head 00:14:40 -!- Wyrms has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:14:45 i mean, not as an rcfile option, obviously. unless it's on by default. 00:14:54 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: no, I was being serious, your 'rules text' thing reminded me 00:15:10 yeah. idk, i think the fact that it's in literally every fork is sort of a sign 00:15:32 every fork? 00:15:43 bloaxfork, circus animals, other ones i can't remember 00:15:44 all recent ones 00:15:52 <|amethyst> also 00:15:52 i want to say that the manual actually does have an appendix talking about this... 00:15:54 <|amethyst> @?? 00:15:54 Usage: @? 00:15:54 @ gives a plain English explanation of your character's status. @ (glyph) is the player character and a rather long list of human and demigod uniques: {Sigmund} {Edmund} {Erica} {Donald} {Eustachio} {Frances} {Frederick} {Harold} {Jessica} {Joseph} {Josephine} {Kirke} {Louise} {Margery} {Maud} {Maurice} {Nikola} {Norris} {Psyche} {Rupert} {Terence}. 00:15:57 that's not much of a sample size 00:16:02 invocation matches the player size, so that's good 00:16:12 do we need a huge sample size? 00:16:25 every fork also brings back removed features :( 00:16:33 haha 00:16:42 PleasingFungus: joemaniac's fork from last year 00:16:46 the atmosphere of forks already suggests that they're made in contrast to contemporary crawl philosophy, like, say, yes 00:16:54 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: how about for baby steps 00:17:04 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: display monster attack damage in their descriptions 00:17:12 i do think it's pretty silly that you can count the !s to see an exact range of how much damage you did 00:17:13 ??!! 00:17:14 ![2/3]: If you hit something and the message ends with !, that means you did 7-17 damage. !!: 18-35. !!!: 36-71. !!!!: 72-143. !!!!!: 144-287. !!!!!!: 288+; and so on. Yikes! 00:17:17 why baby steps? 00:17:25 who is stopping us? 00:17:28 yeah, for isntance dcss-ca approach to old content is "let's re-add it until we ourselves decide it was bad". Which might just be normal fork behaviour or a sign of lack of trust around removals 00:17:31 "us" 00:17:34 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the size of the code base? 00:17:39 it's already implemented, though 00:17:43 for wizmode 00:17:47 that's why the forks have it - it's trivial 00:17:51 not completely 00:17:56 'it' <- pronoun fun 00:17:56 it's not---yeah 00:18:03 brand damage isn't shown, etc 00:18:10 <|amethyst> xv doesn't show monster attack damage in wizmode does it? 00:18:18 PleasingFungus: 'it' fun got removed ages ago, it's 'something' now 00:18:22 <|amethyst> you see the amount of damage for a hit 00:18:45 crawl discourse is nothing if not mired in past references 00:18:45 minmay: can't wait for the new hip buggy pronouns of 0.19 00:18:46 it doesn't show their melee attacks at all, yeah 00:19:05 |amethyst: it's impossible to have a conversation if you shift the subject from under me! 00:19:27 even xD doesn't show it 00:19:36 how has circus animals dealt with forest's dispersal, anyway? did they just forcibly rename all the references 00:19:47 regret-index: basically 00:20:04 you: "let's show damage & spellpower numbers, like in wizmode." me: "sure." you: "actually let's not do that, let's take baby steps by doing this tangentially related thing instead" 00:20:07 @ |amethyst 00:20:27 <|amethyst> implement what you want 00:20:29 <|amethyst> jesus 00:20:35 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 46.0.1/20160502172042]] 00:20:38 <|amethyst> you can do it all 00:20:43 so little of it is balanced for crypt comparisons 00:22:08 not just forest, dwarf was re-added as well 00:22:44 did they add the original blue-anna stuff back or just the dwarves 00:22:47 re-added? 00:23:00 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:23:00 it was never fully there to begin with, was it? 00:23:19 "in trunk at some point" 00:23:54 i just bought a bunch of food 00:24:16 not sure what blue-anna is sorry 00:24:29 i expect they reintroduced the last version of DF before it was removed 00:24:34 <|amethyst> it's a mutli-level branch AIUI 00:24:42 <|amethyst> s/tl/lt/ 00:24:48 <|amethyst> that's all I know 00:25:03 ah no, it's single level in dcss-ca. Last time I checked anyway 00:25:13 <|amethyst> oh 00:25:32 blue-anna did the original drafts and included heavily-armoured porridge kobolds, witches, trollwives 00:25:34 <|amethyst> friendfixit was talking about changing it then 00:26:01 <|amethyst> was asking what to do with vault Place: -> Depth: when it becomes multilevel 00:26:06 I don't believe any of those species were re-added. Only the species still readily accessible in current code 00:26:12 tisk tisk 00:26:23 so it's basically a floor of deep dwarves 00:26:26 there's always an arbitrary cut-off to re-adding removed content based on when someone was around 00:29:01 Jack-O-Lantern Headed Ghost moves to another floor 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10422 by BlueWolfMinion 00:29:17 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:23 I don't think the dcss-ca creator actually was around for much in the past at all 00:29:29 04:28 <@whitephoenix2> I had dove in off and on over the years 00:29:30 04:29 <@whitephoenix2> Probably started on .13 or so? If I remember right. Whatever was around 5+ years ago 00:30:04 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-97-g21dea92 (34) 00:32:45 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:33:09 just in time to catch the biggest waves and antiwaves 00:35:20 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:30 they'd probably be pretty excited about my holyrune plans if I could ever get off the ground with them 00:36:39 is it a bug if @ says you will live from poison, and you press 5 and die? (caused by Regeneration spell expiring) 00:40:21 regret-index: he would! 00:41:14 though he'd probably _also_ then reject the hellpan roulette attached to that 00:43:27 why is there special handling attached to the abjuration spell in _monster_spellbooks ? 00:43:32 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:43:37 ah 00:43:42 %git 402c68f 00:43:42 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-43-g402c68f: Display Abjuration in monster spell lists 10(6 months ago, 3 files, 13+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/402c68ff25b6 00:45:46 CanOfWorms: E:$: a deep elf annihilator, wieldin' tha +8 Wrath o' Trog {antimagic, *Rage} 00:46:19 you know it's a bad sign for god balance when monster spellcasters start worshipping trog 00:47:59 hey guys I have a FR for Xom 00:48:12 You know how he deos that thing sometimes to make you trail clouds of colored smoke? 00:48:14 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:48:33 I think it should permanently change the color of the floor and/or adjacent walls 00:49:18 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 00:49:34 just make it less common pls 00:49:35 yeah that too 00:49:36 <|amethyst> Rast: Xom places a disco ball 00:49:39 "Go forth and redecorate, my child!" 00:49:48 I'm not actually redecorating, nothing changes 00:50:10 maybe you could use the logic that corrupt floor uses 00:50:19 without all the monster spawning 00:50:33 you're decorating the ttyrec, not the dungeo 00:50:34 n 00:51:22 sounds awful 00:51:35 (minmay) 00:51:51 -!- regret-index has left ##crawl-dev 00:53:24 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:58:11 ugh, i need help figuring out how to get int monster::how_unclean(bool check_god) const into the monster_info struct 01:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:07 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03:38 amalloy: DANG 01:07:10 http://dpaste.com/1EFE9G2.txt patch to add silence/antimagic information to monster spell description in x=v 01:07:47 I'm not sure if the default: die() is the appropriate way to guard against failure there -- the other functions just return "buggy" as a string and I'm not sure if that's better or worse 01:07:49 !nchoice 01:07:55 KoCj: 0 wins || zkyp: CXC, L27 Hoplite of Ru || irum: CWZ, L26 Devastator of Nemelex Xobeh || Demise: CPO, L22 Slayer of Nemelex Xobeh || rkdn42: CAO, L14 Swashbuckler of Dithmenos || ldf: CDO, L13 Nimble of Xom || shummie: CBRO, L9 Slicer of Okawaru || Whaleporn: CBRO, L4 Conjurer of No God 01:08:02 oh, zkyp about to ascend 01:08:21 &watch zkyp 01:08:23 http://crawl.xtahua.com:8080/#watch-zkyp 01:08:58 not quite, idle in a trove 01:09:25 how do you mean, he's xl27 01:09:42 I mean he's going to ascend soon, which means next nem choice 01:10:08 ok 01:11:36 are there any monsters with multiple types of spells, where at least two types are not natural? 01:12:03 yeah, I think a few 01:12:07 @??asterion 01:12:07 Asterion (12H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 107-147 | AC/EV: 10/2 04(headbutt: d20-1) | Dam: 35, 20 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | XP: 2655 | Sp: major destruction (3d27 / 3d24 / 3d6 / 3d25 / 3d22 / 3d20 / 3d28) [11!AM], spectral weapon [11!AM], haste [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:12:16 not him 01:12:27 just testing my patch 01:12:32 there is one but I can't recall atm 01:12:36 a unique? 01:12:48 oh, hrm 01:13:16 -!- MaBunny has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:13:38 heh 01:13:43 battlecry isn't silenceable on roka 01:14:12 oh, specifically so. Is it Because He's Unique? 01:14:29 actually, it's never silenceable?! 01:15:03 finally. prince ribbit has both demonic and spellbook 01:15:22 yeah roka is an example of what you asked 01:15:34 er not quite I guess 01:18:42 does the spell flag MON_SPELL_NO_SILENT need to exist? It's added to some magical spells but they could just become wizard spells 01:18:57 it makes the spell affected by silence 01:19:34 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-97-g21dea92 (34) 01:20:01 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:20:01 I think it's about am 01:20:05 it's used on the natural ability warning cry as well (howler monkeys) 01:20:05 @??satyr 01:20:06 satyr (09c) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 54-78 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 25 | 10items, 10doors, master archer, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 891 | Sp: battlecry [11!AM], cause fear, sleep | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:20:23 yeah it's meant to be for natural abilities that are vocal 01:20:33 the idea being that they should be susceptible to silence 01:20:51 but not antimagic since they're not magical (in the sense of anti-magic) 01:21:07 Gretell seems incorrect -- battlecry is also !Sil 01:21:13 SPELL_BATTLECRY, 25, MON_SPELL_NATURAL | MON_SPELL_NO_SILENT 01:21:25 hrm? 01:21:37 you just said no silent means it is affected by silence 01:22:00 so it shouldn't have !sil 01:22:00 oh right. it makes the spell like a priestly ability 01:22:23 MON_SPELL_NATURAL | MON_SPELL_NO_SILENT == MON_SPELL_PRIEST 01:22:41 it would be strange to call howler monkey's cry 'divine' 01:22:41 well that's fine, but what I'm saying is that based on what you described the flag as doing 01:22:43 -!- filthy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:45 it shouldn't have !sil 01:22:50 since !sil means you can't silence it 01:22:56 yes, you are right 01:23:23 hm, this is a fly in the ointment 01:25:55 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:27:52 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:30:08 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest20725 01:31:09 !source monster_info 01:31:09 1/5. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-info.cc#l412 01:31:25 !source monster_info 2 01:31:25 2/5. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-info.cc#l293 01:31:27 !source monster_info 3 01:31:27 3/5. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-info.h#l220 01:31:27 !source monster_info 4 01:31:28 4/5. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-info.h#l225 01:31:28 !source monster_info 5 01:31:29 5/5. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-info.h#l208 01:34:52 -!- Guest20725 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:37:39 i really fucking hate it when a derived class will accept a function from another class, but then cloning it with another name just results in not declared in this scope 01:37:42 FUCK 01:39:41 @??curse skull 01:39:41 curse skull (13z) | Spd: 15 | HD: 13 | HP: 45-59 | AC/EV: 35/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1581 | Sp: sum.undead [06!sil], s.torment [06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: human. 01:40:53 New branch created: pull/269 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/269 01:40:53 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/269 * 0.19-a0-96-ge7f0d29: Add silence/antimagic spell vulnerability info to x-v. 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 31+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e7f0d298c815 01:43:05 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:45:24 -!- TonyMeatballs has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:46:10 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:46:40 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:48:29 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:49:53 http://puu.sh/oTCdd/fc4512e159.png 01:49:56 even more amulets!!! 01:53:03 nice 01:53:10 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:23 random thought: are there any plans to try and rebalance DD to be less good 01:55:37 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-97-g21dea92 01:57:52 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 01:58:49 CanOfWorms: now do a skull! 01:58:55 sure, why not 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:05 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:06:05 but I'm scared 02:06:12 of skulls 02:07:25 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:10:20 johnstein: https://github.com/mattias/ansible_playbook_webtiles at step 12 now, which is to setup the webserver. But so far so good :) Check the "playbooks/common.yml" out. Lots of dependencies required which is not in the documentation at all 02:13:06 http://puu.sh/oTD72/2a077651f5.png 02:13:38 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest70859 02:13:51 that domain name always makes me feel pregnant 02:14:22 puuuuush! I AM PUU SHING, dammit 02:14:40 heh 02:14:59 crystal skull and demonic skull! nice 02:15:57 Well the dependencies are certainly in the documentation, if you're referring to the dgl setup 02:16:21 gammafunk: well, not in this document: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:server:setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles 02:16:28 no, that's what I'm referring to 02:16:31 many of those are either things we have as contribs or part of build-essential etc 02:16:42 and that page certainly lists some required debian packages 02:17:03 the compilation failed telling me to read the INSTALL file. that file contained the correct dependencies 02:17:18 Those dependencies should be listed in the webtiles install docs 02:17:31 No, they shouldn't 02:17:35 Why not? 02:17:35 that would be redundant 02:17:48 Of course you have to be able to build crawl in order to set up a server that's going to build crawl, right 02:18:18 listing crawl dependencies in multiple places isn't a good idea; that's why the INSTALL doc exists 02:18:22 Then it should mention so in the beginning of the docs for webtiles that you should first have crawl compilation working 02:18:35 I think this is rather implied 02:18:54 If you're setting up a webtiles server and you're not aware it's going to build crawl or what that means? 02:18:59 Not for someone who doesn't even know what compilation means 02:19:08 :P 02:19:15 Yeah that would not be the intended audience at all 02:20:22 -!- Guest70859 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20:23 Anyways, soon the docs will be obsolete, when everyone can just automatically set one up. 02:20:59 They will not be obselete, no 02:26:25 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:26:52 gammafunk: Just imagine a page users can sign up to. They add their Digital Ocean api token, then press "add new server." There they can fill in specific webtiles settings like server name etc. Then one click later they create a new webtiles server with everything set up and DNS ready. 02:27:32 no magical server utopian futures. 02:27:53 Well I don't really need to imagine any of these things; I'm just pointing out that we need to know how our setup works on a fundamental level, and we'll need to have it documented 02:28:26 At least as long as our current dgl-based servers are in operation, which I imagine they will be for some time 02:28:46 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:29:07 I'm curious why someone who doesn't know what compilation means would be setting up a crawl server in the first place 02:29:08 There are many things such as making changes to dgl config, working with apache to serve logfiles/milestones, the dgl publishing scripts etc 02:29:16 Perhaps. But I still feel the documentation is lacking at many places. Almost every other step something did not work and I had to find the problem and fix it. 02:29:20 is there an equivalent to wizmode &P that works in the vaults branch 02:29:43 G-Flex: Someone who wants to host a webtiles server but doesn't know anything about computers? 02:30:04 if you don't know anything about computers then what are you doing trying to run a game server? 02:30:12 your beard must be this unkempt to ride 02:30:17 It shouldn't be hard to run a game server. 02:30:31 there are enough people who know about computers 02:30:45 I have a computer 02:30:57 if you don't know anything about computers, and you are trying to do something requiring knowledge about computers, you are going to have a bad time 02:31:21 Not if you abstract the hard stuff away and make it newbie friendly 02:31:21 even if some system existed to set it up totally painlessly, once literally anything goes wrong you'd be dead in the water 02:32:00 it also leaves the question of "why" 02:32:06 -!- FireSight has quit [] 02:32:17 why build tools so that people who don't know about computers can run a server when that job can just be done by someone who knows about computers? 02:32:34 And even if you know programming etc, I personally wouldn't want to manually setup a webtiles server from scratch. First of all it's much slower doing things manually. 02:32:38 Anyhow we certainly do need to keep our setup documented and the audience of the dgl doc is generally "server admins" who know about things like compilation and basic dependencies, not that it couldn't improve 02:33:16 Mattias: and that's fine, I guess, but running a server is going to require some technical knowledge at some point 02:33:17 And keeping things idempotent is very easy with ansible. 02:33:33 But sure, I understand what you are saying. 02:33:34 What we really need is be scripts on the dgl management side that can automate more configuration aspects 02:34:16 like adding new stable versions and experimental versions, which would require either further work on the dgl scripts or moving to some other system entirely for management of all the aspects 02:34:25 I'm installing 10 webtiles servers simultaneously now. Without doing a thing ;) 02:34:44 All stuck on "installing trunk" though.. all those installations takes ages... 02:34:58 something that could make installing a new stable version more turnkey 02:35:15 gammafunk: my ansible playbook can do that ,) 02:35:18 and handle setting up the logfile urls etc 02:35:19 just add a version number and done 02:35:24 the playbook is idempotent so 02:35:36 It does everything automatically :D 02:35:48 Going to finish the webserver part during lunch today 02:35:50 it's a little more complicated than that I'm afraid 02:36:09 So far it hasn't been 02:36:28 because we have a single webtiles server running multiple versions, not many servers 02:37:26 Yes, which isn't a problem at all 02:38:31 not to mention we add new experimental branches etc 02:40:21 Are those instructions in the docs? 02:40:43 branches isn't an issue for ansible 02:41:32 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:41:39 +1 that the webtiles doc should mention dgl requires crawl to be compilable 02:42:05 +1 for the idea of dumbing down, and homogenising the webtiles server infrastructure 02:42:06 I see the branches, I'll add that to the TODO list 02:43:30 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:43:36 gammafunk: how would you install an experimental branch manually? Switch branch then just update-trunk? 02:43:38 well +1 that the webtiles doc be suited to those who need it 02:43:58 sorry? you'd have to make config entries for it etc 02:44:17 what you're describing sounds like what you'd do to check it out in git 02:44:56 yes, give me an example with all the steps in setting up an experimental branch, and I'll automate it 02:44:59 basically you can think of it being like a version branch, but it's not attached to a specific version 02:45:09 it needs anything that you would need to add a new crawl version to a server 02:45:46 so crawl-*Experimental name* folders, but which update-* command does it use? 02:45:58 a copy of crawl-git I guess 02:46:21 Of course the configs needs the "version" as well 02:46:23 yeah, if you modify that with a corrected branch name, it should work, afaik 02:46:32 update-stable? 02:46:39 oh wait 02:46:44 update-stable just takes tags or branches? 02:46:49 or/and 02:47:02 my vault can't seem to find its subvaults. it has SUBVAULT: A : the_grid, and there are vaults with TAGS: the_grid unrand, in the same file, but when I place the main vault it can't find any vaults with the tag the_grid 02:47:21 so if I do update-stable 0.18, does it install 0.18.1 or 0.18.0? 02:47:23 https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config/blob/master/crawl-build/update-public-repository.sh 02:47:33 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47:55 fwiw, the official stable branches are named like stone_soup-0.18 02:47:56 it installs the branch, stone_soup-0.18 02:48:07 whatever that is 02:48:21 the minor version tag it probably doesn't care about 02:48:40 at least not directly, the crawl version number will incorporate the minor version tag 02:48:55 but the branch itself represents the current state of the 0.18 branch 02:49:11 I need to read through the scripts and see how they work :) 02:49:13 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:49:15 %git stone_soup-0.18 02:49:15 07wheals02 {PleasingFungus} * 0.18.1-6-gd335043: Don't cycle through items out of LOF for apport (#10390). 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d3350433c4d2 02:49:55 0.18.0 is just a tag, so associated with a commit in the branch 02:50:52 ...okay, apparently it only finds subvaults if it's placed in certain .des files 02:51:21 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:53:27 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-97-g21dea92 02:53:28 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:53:57 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:55:14 dgl update-trunk firewalk <-- gammafunk this is correct, right? then the crawl-firewalk etc configs and dirs just like for stone-soup versions 02:56:14 since update-stable just takes a version then appends it to stone-soup 02:56:20 yeah that's probably right, I'd have to take a look at the script, but seems right as I recall 02:57:58 where does this thing create the versions db? 02:58:43 http://puu.sh/oTEWK/fb62227180.png 02:58:45 classic amulet 02:59:12 -!- Erik_the_Red has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:14 -!- Erik_the_Red_ is now known as Erik_the_Red 02:59:17 !lg unknown 02:59:18 36. Unknown the Grasshopper (L1 HaWn), got out of the dungeon alive on 2011-08-11 20:30:25, with 50 points after 1 turn and 0:00:06. 02:59:30 !lg name~~? 02:59:31 ERROR: invalid regular expression: quantifier operand invalid 02:59:33 !lg name~~\? 02:59:34 No games for chequers (name~~\?). 02:59:38 !lg * name~~\? 02:59:39 No games for * (name~~\?). 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:40 gammafunk: you mean the ansible script? 03:01:10 gammafunk: https://github.com/mattias/ansible_playbook_webtiles/blob/master/playbooks/install.yml#L3 03:03:57 -!- tabstorm has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:11:36 -!- Naruni has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:20:09 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 03:25:32 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:26:00 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-97-g21dea92 (34) 03:27:17 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:27:29 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 03:42:41 !messages 03:42:41 No messages for minmay. 03:44:12 ruinous vaults to ruin crawl 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10423 by minmay 03:44:53 going to bed 03:48:26 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:59:07 -!- Harvester_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01:02 -!- eb has quit [] 04:04:48 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09:31 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:10:36 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:11:09 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 04:11:36 goddamnit it's the attitude and demeanour and influence that's ruinous 04:12:07 aside from going over 80 characters and a few too many pre-lair 8s it's an honestly good set 04:12:30 crawl always feels like an abusive relationship 04:12:32 -!- regret-index has left ##crawl-dev 04:18:37 -!- Reykjavikian has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:25:20 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:26:12 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:35:35 -!- glaas has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:38:07 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:39:28 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:40:29 -!- HoloIRCUser5 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:42:19 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:42:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 04:51:59 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:54:38 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:08:12 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:09:36 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 05:29:08 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:42:35 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:56:03 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:59:44 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10:10 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:11:48 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:25:33 -!- HoloIRCUser has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:29:03 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:31:50 -!- Franz__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:42:21 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:43:15 -!- Pekkekke has quit [] 06:47:07 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 46.0.1/20160502172042]] 06:54:04 minmay: minmay_guarded_unrand_chilly_death could also place frostbite 06:56:35 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:59:25 was there some intention to make the *mino vaults place together and tile? 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:07:47 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:13:23 -!- _fortis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:14:03 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:17:33 is it bad form to put a neutral caustic shrike in a low level vault to freak people out? 07:18:06 the crawl autoexplore equivalent of a jump scare! 07:18:11 probably. It's not impossible to accidentally make it non-neutral 07:20:06 03regret-index02 07* 0.19-a0-98-gcbe9199: Vaultwork burst (including a few branch ends) 10(56 seconds ago, 18 files, 789+ 683-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cbe9199e9754 07:25:45 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 07:27:05 -!- Gamefreak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:27:33 nice 07:27:34 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:33:20 -!- debo_ has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 07:35:58 wow nice, this works :D 07:36:02 playing webtiles through vagrant 07:37:49 chequers: https://github.com/mattias/ansible_playbook_webtiles ;) 07:38:13 webserver not configured yet, but it now starts webtiles server and it works very nicely :D It all even compiles and runs fine on a 512mb vps 07:38:25 one user takes up around 64mb ram 07:38:47 I'll add in experimental branches tomorrow, the webserver stuff can wait ;) 07:39:01 johnstein: ^^ 07:40:00 chequers: Oh and, would be nice to know if you find it hard to use this and what that would be. Like config variable namings? Maybe I'm not clear enough on where the configuration is (it's vars/webtiles.yml) 07:40:26 * Mattias adds to README 07:43:58 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:54:12 wow, that shoals end 07:55:19 it's amazing that it's possible to make a giant mess of letters like that, and have any idea what it does 07:56:48 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:57:38 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:39 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:06:06 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 08:06:27 it gets substantially easier when you read it as a wheel nested inside a wheel 08:06:30 -!- regret-index has left ##crawl-dev 08:08:46 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-98-gcbe9199 (34) 08:09:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:09:26 -!- HoloIRCUser4 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:09:52 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:35 -!- Gamefreak_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:14:03 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:16:08 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:18:10 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 08:18:36 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:20:58 -!- flappity_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:16 -!- ssalbiz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:23:37 Mattias: nice 08:23:51 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:24:57 Mattias: unfortunately CPO runs webtiles-changes so I couldn't easily migrate myself across to this, but I'm very curious how much work I'd need to do to support webtiles-changes.... 08:25:14 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:25:39 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:05 is there anything here that should be causing AC to be colored blue on the % screen? I didn't change much at all here: https://github.com/jeremygurr/dcssca/pull/515/files 08:31:52 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:33:54 chequers: It's far from done though, still a lot to add :) But a basic webtiles server now runs. What is webtiles-changes? 08:35:43 chequers: Or do you mean just minor modifications to webtiles? 08:36:25 !readall nfm 08:36:26 <+gammafunk> |amethyst: I've a patch for the webtiles-changes branch on dgamelaunch-config: http://sprunge.us/HONd?diff / short-term server TODO: dgl-config setting for webtiles server branch; update stable and trunk scripts to match; switch to webtiles-changes; Chei -> dobrazupa; autobuild glyphs+monster; clean up explbr, add charms-reform faithful salamander no_backtracking_god / server TODO: sa... 08:38:32 Mattias: webtiles-changes is a branch on crawl github like a development version of webtiles 08:41:51 zxc: I assume I do dgl update-trunk webtiles-changes to get this? Using it instead of trunk and copying over the webserver files from there instead of trunk? 08:42:00 -!- flappity_ has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 08:42:10 Mattias: you've reached the extent of my knowledge - go back to chequers :) 08:42:23 chequers: ^^ 08:42:35 -!- flappity_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:47 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:43:29 -!- NotKat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:51:22 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:35 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:56:08 -!- Lasty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57:05 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:19 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03:37 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:23 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:19:36 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:47 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:21 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:56 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:31:23 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:35:03 -!- docnvk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:35:26 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:40:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:41:17 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:51:08 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:54:19 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:58:53 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:33 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:09 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:08:56 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:15:26 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:16:53 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:51 in mon-pick-data, what are those first 3 numbers? 10:18:05 in { 1, 8, 515, FLAT, MONS_YAK }, for instance 10:19:10 the lower edge of the range (Lair:1), the higher edge of the range (Lair:8), and the weight 10:20:32 why does the range go up to say, 30 sometimes, in a branch that doesn't have 30 floors? 10:20:49 ood? 10:22:33 yes 10:22:36 d specifically 10:22:43 ??8 10:22:43 8[1/2]: This is either a {statue} or a {golem}. It's either totally harmless or an electric golem. 10:22:46 ??8[2 10:22:46 8[2/2]: Is also a marker for extremely out of depth (depth*2+4 depth!) monsters in vaults; both traditional and valued by most devs. Good results: d:4 wolf spiders, d:5 centaur warriors, d:6 fire crabs, d:9 sphinxes, d:10 fire giants, d:11 liches. 10:22:58 hm, ok cool 10:22:59 so that those ^ can get really tough stuff in D 10:22:59 also, you can skew the distribution of non-flat stuff 10:23:06 <|amethyst> yeah 10:23:19 <|amethyst> skewing distributions is why you see negative numbers sometimes 10:23:56 <|amethyst> for example (-2, 2, 100, RISE) is like (0, 2, 50, FLAT) + (0, 2, 50, RISE) 10:25:25 <|amethyst> I probably have an off-by-one error somewhere :) 10:27:21 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:28:44 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:35:33 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:36:11 interesting, could you actually do it that verbose way with both flat+rise if you wanted to? 10:36:23 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:36:40 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:37:32 -!- HexaDoken has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:37:52 I think that would introduce a different kind of skew, because once you have multiple mon-pick entries they also affect each other 10:38:50 eew 10:38:58 that is, you not only have those two entries affecting each other, but also skewing other monsters that might be picked 10:39:14 differently than if it were one entry 10:39:14 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:03 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:42:12 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:45:21 -!- FunkyGnoll has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 10:47:08 no i'm pretty sure the first entry is exactly the same as having the two latter ones 10:49:32 -!- espais has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:36 -!- espais has quit [Client Quit] 10:50:23 -!- espais has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:53 is there a way to programmatically interact with Sequell? 10:51:58 or would that strictly be limited to IRC commands 10:52:09 there's no web api for the game db, no 10:52:41 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52:57 i see, and i'd guess that gaining access to the db is probably a no-go as well 10:53:41