00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:52 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:34 lol @ all the changelog stuff 00:07:42 need to have every dev add their own touch to those few entries 00:07:48 collaboration... 00:11:19 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:11:42 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:18:43 has feature freeze happened yet? 00:19:19 yes 00:19:26 6 days ago 00:19:30 possibly 7 depending on timezone 00:20:53 wow 00:20:55 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.2/20160407164938]] 00:20:58 i haven't been keeping up 00:21:17 it's been pretty quiet. 00:21:30 luckily, all these vptms of terrible gods will prep me for being able to play something good come tourney time =p 00:22:25 some vptm competition, or? 00:23:43 tournament will only allow vptm 00:25:01 mutm only tournament imo 00:25:45 btw do you know why my cbro trunk games aren't showing up in sequell/scoring? I appreciate it, but I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to be happening 00:26:00 !nick minmay 00:26:00 Mapping minmay => (!ckr !lld) minmay 00:26:04 hm 00:26:17 !lg minmay current trunk s=src 00:26:18 4 games for minmay (current trunk): 4x cszo 00:26:28 !lg * current trunk cbro 00:26:37 40338. Captinkiss the Sneak (L2 VSAs), engulfed by a cloud of flame on D:1 (lexackson_kobold_supper) on 2016-04-25 04:25:43, with 21 points after 242 turns and 0:01:12. 00:26:43 v0v 00:33:35 here's where my morgues ended up if it helps http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/dev/morgue/minmay/ 00:36:27 also I just noticed the cbro trunk "page" in console looks the same as the cszo one...right down to the s-z.org link and neil's name 00:36:37 but I assume that is just a copy-paste mistake 00:36:42 sounds like it 00:36:54 imo contact johnstein <_< 00:36:57 !lg johnstein s=tiles 00:36:58 225 games for johnstein: 214x true, 11x false 00:37:03 good 00:37:55 ah 00:37:58 I think I've found the problem 00:38:10 ? 00:38:15 is it valid to say KITEM: w = any quarterstaff 00:38:16 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:38:20 or do you just say quarterstaff 00:38:33 latter, i believe. 00:38:40 what are you expecting from the former? 00:38:53 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: Buy...] 00:38:56 PleasingFungus, is it intended that all new accounts on cbro can use wizard mode? 00:39:11 why are you asking me 00:39:25 because you said "?" which suggests you wanted to know what I found 00:39:46 heh 00:40:09 i mean, that's an answer to my question, i suppose! 00:40:27 well I thought maybe quarterstaff would spawn a 'reasonable' quarterstaff but "any quarterstaff" would let the result be anything whatsoever. still figuring this stuff out 00:40:36 nope 00:41:42 quarterstaff spawns a quarterstaff, which has an enchantment and curse status varying randomly and by depth, and may randomly become an artefact (fixed or random) 00:42:16 similarly, "KITEM: foo / bar / buckler / fruit / w:1 dragon hide" could make any dragon hide at all, but rarely? 00:42:55 um 00:43:17 you can't say "dragon hide" 00:43:27 unless you're in an older version of the game where that means what's now called "fire dragon hide" 00:43:33 how about "hide"? 00:43:49 you have to specify an actual hide type 00:44:02 shucks. 00:44:02 if you want it to select from many, you can list each of them, with weights 00:44:25 !tell johnstein it appears that all new accounts on cbro get the wizard mode version of trunk, which isn't tracked by sequell/scoring. this is probably bad. 00:44:25 minmay: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 00:44:46 what about "dragon armor", does that have to be specific too? 00:45:27 yes, "hide" or "dragon armour" is not a meaningful designation, those aren't items or item types 00:45:27 yep 00:45:31 generally you ahve to specify items 00:45:36 you'd need "any armour" or "mottled dragon armour" 00:46:03 okay. well I was hoping it'd work like saying "quarterstaff" does ;) 00:46:06 thank you for the help! 00:46:10 quarterstaff is a specific item 00:46:16 !tell johnstein unless 88888888fucker is supposed to have wizmode privileges 00:46:16 minmay: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 00:46:25 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46:38 if you specify 'gold dragon armour', that can randomly be enchanted or cursed or artefactified too 00:46:53 unless you say, uh, 'mundane' i think 00:47:00 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:47:01 PleasingFungus: it can't be randomly enchanted because it's a dragon armour 00:47:05 oh, sorry 00:47:06 but other than that yes 00:47:17 good catch 00:47:21 black magic 00:47:35 friendfixit, it works for "quarterstaff" because "quarterstaff" is an item that exists in the game. "dragon armor", "dragon armour", "dragon hide", "hide", etc. are not 00:47:36 does "damaged" still exist 00:47:42 yup 00:47:59 why 00:48:04 as used by, probably that one vault with the scorpions 00:48:13 old forge yes 00:48:15 ah, so it won't sometimes be a laj. alas! 00:48:30 oh 00:48:30 also grated community and some terrible vault in mini_monsters.des that places a delayed decay human corpse 00:48:33 friendfixit: if you want lajatangs to be possible you can just say so 00:48:48 and there's... the vault with some slimes in it or something 00:48:49 ITEM: quarterstaff / lajatang q:2 00:48:51 i think 00:48:57 er 00:48:57 er, w:2 00:48:59 yes 00:49:09 !vault lasty_cornered_adventurer 00:49:10 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des#l3096 00:49:10 q:2 might or might not complain 00:49:18 any damaged weapon good_item ident:pluses 00:49:29 truly a good use of vault features 00:49:36 i wonder what that does 00:49:55 ok cool. that explains why my vault was consistently disappointing 00:50:08 i'm not actually sure, i'm assuming it makes a good_item weapon then overwrites its enchantment with -1 to -4 00:50:20 but what if it's an artifact? 00:51:00 randomly testing, it just seems to create damaged weapons 00:51:03 I was about to report the same thing 00:51:09 I don't think the good_item actually does anything 00:51:15 yeah 00:51:46 maybe just 00:51:49 -!- mibert has quit [Client Quit] 00:51:49 remove "damaged" 00:52:11 +0 longswords are crappy enough 00:53:36 minmay, what do you mean? 00:53:36 johnstein: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 00:53:44 it's a theme thing, ontoclasm 00:53:46 from, er, old acid 00:53:54 &dump duvessa 00:53:56 http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/trunk/Duvessa/Duvessa.txt 00:54:00 er 00:54:10 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/dev/morgue/duvessa/duvessa.txt 00:54:16 I'm assuming I shouldn't be able to do this 00:54:36 wizmode should only be given to admins.... I don't know what mechanism would allow non-admins the ability to play wizmode... hmmm 00:54:56 hmmm 00:55:19 minmay is our newest dev 00:55:35 okay, so it turns out that damaged and good_item are, in fact, mutually exclusive 00:55:40 with damaged taking precedence 00:55:50 ??berotato 00:55:50 cbro[1/4]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org. Use glyph/sigil ^ for bots 00:56:09 and furthermore, damaged also completely overwrites the item level, so "any damaged weapon" is going to give you just spears and clubs and stuff 00:56:19 as will "any damaged weapon good_item" 00:56:29 interesting 00:56:35 well it's not a patch issue, I can't access wizmode myself 00:56:54 pressing 0 for trunk and pressing & doesn't do anything? 00:56:57 minmay, there isn't a wizmode and non-wizmode version of trunk 00:57:11 what server are you on, cbro? 00:57:17 yes 00:57:28 only one version, which allows wizmode, but checks the dgl when game is launched to see if the user is a dgl admin 00:57:33 ah 00:57:38 just checked and duvessa isn't an admin... 00:58:00 so probably the same bug that results in meatsprint scoring being loaded into non-meatspirnt? 00:58:03 so I don't know what is doing on yet. 00:58:15 Lightli: it seems unlikely 00:58:15 and no being on trunk does not grant me wizard powers 00:58:51 -!- WingedEspeon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:59:38 it's not allowing me to spontaneously enter wizmode fwiw 01:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:22 well it's letting me do it, and i made 2 new accounts to test it and those can enter wizmode too 01:00:23 didn't let my brand new test account do wizmode in console, but I've had issues with getting wizmode to work in console sometimes. trying webtiles now 01:00:40 oh, I should have mentioned, I have only tested this in console 01:00:41 and I can't get to it in webtiles either 01:00:42 because i am lazy 01:00:47 i'm on tiles 01:00:52 for what that's worth also 01:00:53 it's just & for console, right? 01:00:57 yes 01:01:02 is there an alternate way to trigger it? 01:01:15 not that I know of 01:01:15 !lg zxc 01:01:15 108. zzxc the Wrestler (L27 TrAM of Okawaru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-04-08 12:06:39, with 1563103 points after 89062 turns and 6:18:56. 01:01:26 + switches to explore mode 01:01:36 and if wizmode is accidentally enabled, explore mode probably is too 01:02:08 what do you mean, accidentally enabled? 01:02:10 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:02:39 it sounded like minmay was saying that wizmode was accidentally made available to all palyers 01:02:54 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1805-g8ab820f (34) 01:03:39 it's always been available, it just uses the DGL admins to know who is allowed to use it. I can't think of any mechanism (yet) on how you could get around that. checking the dgamelaunch stuff atm 01:04:24 can't repro on webtiles, way too lazy to log into console 01:04:25 i just created a new account on cbro and can't get into wizmode or explore mode 01:04:29 (on console) 01:04:39 PleasingFungus and i are soulmates 01:04:43 <3 01:04:48 http://pastebin.com/E7cCCVSf 01:05:05 that's the current dgl admin list for cbro 01:05:16 well I assure you, I'm not lying here, I just made another account and it got wizmode 01:05:29 !nick duvessa 01:05:30 No nick mapping for duvessa. 01:05:34 !nick minmay 01:05:35 Mapping minmay => (!ckr !lld) minmay 01:05:49 minmay, I totally believe you 01:05:59 I just can't figure out the mechanism yet 01:06:28 hax 01:06:29 minmay, does wizmode work for you via webtiles too? 01:06:56 well, my existing login for RandomTiles doesn't have wizmode 01:07:00 maybe it's only new accounts? 01:07:00 and does it start you in wizmode? or do you need to still toggle into it? 01:07:32 I just tried a new account, gammafunk. I couldn't get it to work (webtiles) 01:07:46 yeah same 01:08:01 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:08:25 I still need to toggle it 01:08:44 I played a full game unaware that wizmode was available on my account http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/dev/morgue/minmay/morgue-minmay-20160418-090253.txt 01:09:01 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:09:26 I don't think this is new because 88888888fucker has a morgue in that directory too 01:09:42 what's special about that directory? 01:10:37 idk but it's pretty small and sequell doesn't seem to know about anything in it 01:10:56 !lg 88888888fucker 01:10:57 No games for 88888888fucker. 01:10:58 (nice name) 01:11:00 and it's where my new test accounts went 01:11:15 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11:16 that's the morgue for everyone 01:11:21 oh 01:11:30 wait 01:11:30 are you on dbro? 01:11:30 it's actually quite clever. they don't have to worry about forgetting how many 8s there are, because there are 8 of them 01:11:31 dev.berotato.org? 01:11:36 ??dbro 01:11:36 dbro[1/2]: The development wing of CBRO. ssh to dev.berotato.org user: dev same ssh keys as cbro (http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys). Currently serving mediocre crawl dev versions and used to have Dwarf Fortress (running in TEXT mode) Set your terminal size to 80x25 (!) and ensure you are using UTF-8 character set. 01:11:37 ??cbro 01:11:38 cbro[1/4]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org. Use glyph/sigil ^ for bots 01:11:45 everyone gets wizmode on dbro 01:11:49 fuck 01:11:50 it's 110% test 01:11:55 you're right 01:11:56 lol 01:12:06 I thought it was 127% test 01:12:15 well that solves that mystery 01:12:19 it fluctuates 01:12:24 how did that get into my ssh config... 01:12:28 well sorry about the mess 01:12:33 same ssh key I think 01:12:38 yea same 01:12:42 I need to add the other servers 01:12:51 yeah it's the same key, I just don't know how I managed to get the wrong url there 01:13:00 man, that's probably an ancient version of trunk too 01:13:13 it is 01:13:34 I wondered why the dwarf fortress option wasn't responding 01:14:39 %git be91bf5 01:14:39 07gammafunk02 * 0.18-a0-1041-gbe91bf5: Rework a Pakellas overflow altar 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 50+ 67-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/be91bf513450 01:14:51 yea. DF is WAY too resource intensive 01:14:59 had to shut it down a long time ago 01:15:06 same with the catacylsm server 01:15:19 that's the trunk version you were playing 01:15:22 %git 01:15:22 07wheals02 * 0.18-a0-1805-g8ab820f: Fix typo. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8ab820f8c40c 01:15:32 couple commits behind 01:15:40 good win though :) 01:15:53 I should probably add a better description 01:15:57 for dbro 01:16:06 i think DF is actually an experiment to see what percentage of users will notice if you turn their computer into a space heater 01:16:23 PleasingFungus: can i write new book descriptions maybe 01:16:28 ontoclasm: can you? 01:16:38 i... i don't know!!! 01:16:42 imo, find out and get back to me. 01:16:52 minmay: dwarf fortress is the only game i'm aware of that can simulate up to four types of grass per tile 01:17:04 you've got to respect that 01:17:28 -!- Athaboros has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:17:35 PleasingFungus: i think t-engine has some code for that, they haven't got around to implementing working passive skills though 01:17:53 or working sustains 01:17:56 lol 01:18:11 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1805-g8ab820f (34) 01:18:18 DF keeps track of the exact color of every single leaf on every single tree 01:18:25 despite the fact that the game can only render 16 colors 01:18:37 and leaves are never visible for any reason 01:19:06 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:19:07 well how else are you going to properly compute the mood of a dwarf who hates orange? 01:19:10 obviously, when you're making crafts out of leaves, you need to know the colors. 01:19:18 I want to play more DF. but takes too long for me to get back up the learning curve 01:19:19 sure 01:19:20 e.g. walls made out of leaves, which ofc would be immune to lava 01:19:24 like all built walls 01:19:31 one time i wanted to look more like a fairy so i put leaves in my hair 01:19:37 how'd it go 01:19:40 my friends told me i looked stupid 01:19:48 owned 01:19:56 were they right? 01:20:00 probably 01:22:02 johnstein: DF now has taverns 01:22:14 really all you need to know about DF is that it keeps close enough track of temperature to slowly damage wooden objects via radiant heat if you cart lava too close to them, but at the same time you can store that same lava in a room made entirely out of ice without problems 01:23:01 my real problem with DF is that everytime I sit down to play, I feel compelled to document the experience, so I take screenshots and examine the bios of my dorfs, spend a day in legends mode, etc, and never get around to actually playing 01:23:07 lol 01:23:08 hahaha 01:23:13 did you see the myth maker stuff he's been putting out? 01:23:24 the Dorf Poems? 01:23:25 not first hand 01:23:33 no, the poems were amazing tho 01:24:45 http://burnedfx.com/DF/WIP_MythGenerator.png idk why this image is so bad, there are others 01:27:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:29:33 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:31:35 -!- Zibudo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:32:28 -!- Zibudo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:41:48 -!- vedrorre has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:42:01 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:43:56 ??dbro 01:43:56 dbro[1/2]: The development wing of CBRO. ssh to dev.berotato.org user: dev same ssh keys as cbro (http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys). Currently serving mediocre crawl dev versions and used to have Dwarf Fortress (running in TEXT mode) Set your terminal size to 80x25 (!) and ensure you are using UTF-8 character set. 01:44:01 ??dbro [2] 01:44:01 dbro[2/2]: Also available in webtiles form at http://dev.berotato.org:8081 01:44:34 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:46:38 brb using wizard powers 01:49:53 bug: animating a hydra corpse with 65535 heads appears to crash the game 01:51:28 lmao 01:51:55 I think after 32768 or so it becomes negative 01:52:56 ...actually I think I just realized a possible shenanigan 01:52:58 i wonder what else you can do tha twith? plus? 01:53:13 probably 01:53:20 The trick to fighting hydras with negative numbers of heads is to use an edged weapon to increase their head count to 0 01:53:35 i should play hydra slayer someday. 01:53:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:55:09 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1805-g8ab820f 01:55:37 how do you make ru give you a specific sacrifice 01:56:12 try &] or &[, i forget. one of them gives you mutations 01:56:48 &- while worshipping ru will make him give you a new set of sacrifice options, if you really want to test that process specifically 01:56:55 Do we have a release date set, btw? 01:57:04 and, I guess tournament date 01:57:14 ignore that comma usage 01:57:21 plan is may 4th & the 6th-somethingth respectively, iirc 01:57:38 i suggested those and no one disagreed 01:57:52 Well there should be an announcement wrt tournament sooner rather than later 01:58:05 last time we waited too long (we as in I) 01:58:13 Mostly so people can plan to play in the t 01:58:31 ok 01:58:40 gammafunk: thanks for volunteering to make the post :) 01:58:46 nope! 01:58:48 agreed! 01:58:49 yep 01:58:52 I shall make builds 01:58:57 but that is all, comrad 01:59:08 fine, fine, be like that. 01:59:09 :P 01:59:16 P; 01:59:19 er 01:59:22 whatever 01:59:42 so what I did was raise my spellcasting to 27, then had ru hit me with the skill reduction thing to reduce me back below 27 spellcasting 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:50 well before I had the skill reduction sacrifice I filled up every spell level slot I had (i.e. 72 levels worth of spells) 02:01:10 so then I raised my spellcasting back to 27...and did not gain any new spell levels out of nowhere 02:01:14 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:01:17 sorry 02:01:47 on the bright side: I learned that skill mutation scales up to -3 apt 02:02:09 although it's a bit bugged because the description for level 1 and 2 is the exact same except the -1 changes to -2 02:02:18 but with level 3 it's You are extremely unskilled (Apt-3) 02:02:58 hmm 02:03:18 wonder how much exp it would take to get spellcasting to 27 on a character with -8 spellcasting apt 02:03:51 lotta pan lords. 02:04:58 now I'm imagining a race that has amazing apts early on but bad everything else but as it levels up it becomes more unskilled but gains innate boosts to HP and AC and the like 02:07:05 -!- Zibudo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:07:09 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:07:18 did amalloy not get the joke: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/4ga1ik/new_flair_options/d2g0cvi 02:09:44 well 02:09:51 for the annals of poorly named spell books 02:09:52 dang. reddit is no laughing matter. it's life or death out here 02:09:53 The Grimoire of Domination. 02:10:02 featuring swiftness, shroud, and warp weapon 02:10:38 brb tho gonna delete my reddit account so nobody ever knows i missed a joke 02:11:05 ProzacElf: indicates it's a 'totally random' book 02:11:20 if i'm reading this right 02:11:20 amalloy: hurry! 02:11:29 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:11:35 well, they do all have a charm component 02:12:04 im not feeling the "domination" aspect though =p 02:12:08 i think that may be coincidence 02:12:26 no, sounds uncoincidental to me 02:12:40 enslave used to be an enchantment, charms used to be enchantments... 02:21:41 uh, probably a dumb question, but did abyssrun, Uka, and Hep, all get merged into trunk? 02:21:57 -!- ursan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:22:19 -!- tedric has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:22:27 yes no no 02:22:51 abyssrun didn't though, right? 02:22:58 %git abyssrun 02:22:58 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-730-gccdb743: Merge branch 'master' into abyssrun 10(5 months ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ccdb743cd276 02:23:01 hm 02:23:02 oh, nvm 02:23:04 i forgot what that was 02:23:16 abyss run isn't in afaik 02:23:21 ya 02:23:21 the others certainly aren't 02:23:24 that was the one that had the thing about abyss levels being the same after you get the rune 02:23:31 i confused it with abyss-kills 02:23:44 speaking of Grunt 02:23:51 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:23:59 someone is killing devs 02:24:01 one by one 02:24:14 !rng gammafunk PleasingFungus 02:24:14 The RNG chooses: both gammafunk and PleasingFungus. 02:24:14 are you next...... 02:24:16 "Every enemy in Depths has the ability to kill you, and that's fucking stupid." 02:24:18 lmao 02:24:19 !tell Grunt I played a DeEn that found one of my pakellas vaults and I was so amused with myself that I decided to worship Pak but forgot how much you nerfed the mp restore. rip. 02:24:19 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 02:24:29 *DEEn 02:24:33 minmay: that's the bizarre changelog video, right? 02:24:36 yes 02:24:42 how was canofworms able to watch more than a minute of this 02:24:45 "watch" 02:24:51 i mean, i appreciate the game attracting so much passion... 02:24:55 gammafunk: DeWa seems like the most common combo posted about on reddit 02:25:06 wn? 02:25:14 or...? 02:25:15 no, DeWa 02:25:21 oh 02:25:24 indeterminate race and job 02:25:38 reddit posters don't have jobs! ha ha ha ha ha ha 02:25:41 YaYa? Yak Yak? 02:25:50 someone was asking something about a yak the other day 02:25:53 i forget who 02:25:56 was it amalloy 02:25:56 is there a Yak equivalent for background? 02:26:09 sometimes it's a demigod warper. my favorite was a demonspawn warrior 02:26:17 hah 02:26:45 shame how VS -> Vi never happened 02:26:54 PleasingFungus I think it was chequers 02:27:05 o 02:27:08 plausible 02:32:29 gammafunk: seems like 'unemployed' is as close as you get, sadly 02:32:39 sort of boring 02:34:13 -!- Idolo has quit [] 02:35:29 I'm still mad you guys didn't use my yak player doll tiles 02:35:55 they're still on mantis somewhere, right? 02:36:28 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5002 02:36:48 good... 02:36:49 what evilmike says about crashing the game was wrong - it only crashed in tiles 02:37:05 tiles is real! 02:37:20 you can't do it anymore at all though :( 02:38:45 Life finds a way. 02:39:19 yes 02:39:23 is yak a real thing 02:39:31 it's 'unknown species' 02:39:41 it's real, and good, and my friend. 02:39:52 how.. how can someone die as an unknown species? 02:39:55 do i want to know? is it stupid? 02:40:09 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:40:35 remind me of the original context 02:40:49 weird 0.7 logfile entries 02:40:53 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:41:02 our scoreboard currently has a race highscore for Yak 02:41:09 lmao 02:41:56 at some point, some version of the game failed to recognize the player's race (possibly savefile compat issues?), and called them a 'yak' in the dump. or they managed to get their race enum to be something really weird. i'd guess the first but who knows? 02:42:36 heh 02:43:16 had fun issues lately where fixing a bug caused mountain dwarves to show up as yaks 02:43:21 because the bug was itself covering up another bug 02:43:21 -!- Evablue has quit [Client Quit] 02:43:46 i believe wheals said something about having written the original code way too late at night 02:44:23 wait, you fixed a bug for anyone who brought a MD save forward into 0.17? 02:44:29 md high score entry 02:44:45 ah that one 02:44:47 ya 02:44:56 of the famously confusing changelog entry 02:44:59 haha 02:45:05 it wasn't the crash bug, just something i found while looking around the relevant code 02:45:22 the yak high score is great 02:45:24 the code looking for old species enums iterated from 0 to LAST_OLD_JOB 02:45:26 or something like that 02:45:39 but it turned out you couldn't use LAST_OLD_SPECIES because that had the wrong sign 02:46:01 i love code 02:47:01 oh my god 02:47:08 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-20-april-2016/comment-page-1#comment-2453 this is the most pro tech of all time 02:47:25 OMG 02:47:30 leave it in 02:47:33 duh 02:47:51 is there even permanent enslavement? 02:47:53 there is no possible world in which trying to do that would increase your winrate. 02:47:59 as noted: beogh allies! 02:48:02 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:19 also yred 02:48:23 (maybe?) 02:48:31 no 02:48:34 not sure if he'd keep the buffs as an enslaved soul 02:48:46 the enslaved soul is a new monster, i'm 95% certain. 02:48:54 -!- zxc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:49:25 %git dbab4ee685ab4b05a1684d4e1dcd9cb8ddeb1a1a 02:49:25 07Lasty02 * 0.18-a0-1783-gdbab4ee: Remove launcher ammo brands 10(8 days ago, 13 files, 79+ 128-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dbab4ee685ab 02:50:26 i was gonna ask lasty to reply to that guy, but he already had! 02:50:42 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1805-g8ab820f 02:51:05 -!- zxc has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:53:05 -!- zxc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:54:02 -!- Naruni has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:56:21 i really like the new info on defensive dacts 02:56:27 you can see how useless +4 reflection is 02:56:43 8 blocks vs 1825 dodge 02:56:48 *reflection blocks 02:57:05 seems like it'd depend on your ev, right? 02:57:44 sure 02:59:10 anyway, as someone who was very tangentially involved with the defense info stuff; You're Welcome. 02:59:59 :) 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:09 are you going to announce the tourney in advance? 03:00:19 yeah, probably gonna put up a post tomorrow 03:00:25 singe the funk has been naggging me 03:00:29 *since 03:00:34 Singe The Funk 03:00:37 (team name?) 03:00:47 i'll run a fake test tourney for a day next week to make sure everything is ok 03:00:57 ty! 03:01:10 you've been doing great work lately. EXTREME Power 03:01:11 *power 03:03:09 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:03:33 this is what happens when your girlfriend enters exam study mode 03:03:38 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:04:01 i'm lagging on the trailer tho 03:04:09 trailer? 03:04:17 also lol 03:04:17 re gf 03:06:44 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:08:07 -!- bgiannan has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5-dev] 03:09:33 UI question. If someone is playing on trunk now, would you call that "0.17 trunk" or "0.18 trunk"? 03:10:29 Trying to figure out how to convert 0.18-a0 into something human readable 03:11:17 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1805-g8ab820f (34) 03:11:27 0.18 trunk. 03:11:45 The version of trunk that will become 0.18. 03:14:32 Oh right, the trunk. The trunk for 0.18. The trunk chosen specially for .18. 18’s trunk. 03:15:02 "lagging on the trailer" sounds like a rather odd euphemism 03:15:06 now that I think more, I'm wondering if it's simpler to just simplify everyting down to 0.16/0.17 03:15:07 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:15:16 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:15:20 ? 03:15:59 people can check the morgue file if they want to know the specific release status, the "major" version number is probably sufficient 03:16:24 where's this being displayed, or not displayed? 03:16:57 scoreboard 03:19:03 enh. do whatever, not like you can't change it again later 03:19:07 not a big thing there 03:20:25 they'll know what you want them to know! 03:22:58 :) 03:24:52 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:28:08 "trunk, which is currently 0.18 development" (the way we run things, "trunk" and "development" are both implied by the "-a0" and the rest is the next release version that will come from it) 03:28:24 -!- ursan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:29:42 if you want to be pedantic about things we don't use, -a0 is trunk, -a1 would be a presumed alpha release that we don't do, -b0 is the branch that the release will be made from 03:31:06 are you suggesting I put that in my html tables for the version of each game? :) 03:33:41 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.2/20160407164938]] 03:34:45 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:03 -!- svendre_ is now known as svendre 03:36:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45:19 -!- argent0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:53:37 just name it "experimental (v0.18)" for consistency with other in-development versions 03:54:46 also isn't "trunk" usually what other projects call stable 03:54:49 or something 03:55:35 stable is what not-git people call "trunk" 03:55:48 er, sometimes 03:56:19 nobody calls the development branch "stable" 03:56:23 ...i hope 03:56:51 yes, that's the direction i meant 03:57:05 i guess my phrasing was ambiguous 04:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:04:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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is 0.18 released in full? 12:23:07 Now. 12:23:30 Get hype! 12:23:55 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:24:35 W-wait, what? 12:24:40 PleasingFungus: Really? 12:24:41 joke's 12:24:48 Ok, ok, you got me. 12:25:03 release is may 4th, probably. 12:25:07 why? 12:25:16 Oh dang, one day before my birthday 12:25:42 you're welcome! 12:26:12 Sorry, I forgot to say thank you :) 12:26:30 :P 12:26:37 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27:40 johnstein still hasn't gotten back to me so I think I'll 12:27:55 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:28:12 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:15 !tell johnstein Hey there! I'm guessing you're still occupied with your move, but I just wanted to ask how things are going / see if you could get back to me about hosting my crawl version. Thank you very much for your time :) 12:29:15 Hurricos: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 12:30:38 -!- BanMido_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:47 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:14 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:04 -!- zxc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:39:05 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:42:28 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:50:57 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:16 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:58:29 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 12:58:30 -!- Ultraviolent4 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:47 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1805-g8ab820f (34) 13:05:05 Hurricos: yea still moving :( we are slow. renting another truck today. 13:05:05 johnstein: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 13:05:08 and I finally had some free time last night. but I spent it with HBO. sorry. priorities! :) 13:05:13 !messages 13:05:13 No messages for Hurricos. 13:05:20 oh 13:05:22 oops 13:05:30 thanks johnstein. Don't worry about it :P 13:06:21 just keep bugging me. chances are, new release and tourney might get in the way next. but we will see. 13:08:36 -!- tupper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:09:04 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:11:57 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:13:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:17:46 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:46 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:18:04 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:19:27 -!- BanMido_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:20:38 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:37 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.2/20160407164938]] 13:24:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:28:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38:06 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:00 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:44:51 -!- ldf_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:45:49 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:47:50 -!- jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:48:49 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:49:17 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:01 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:54:30 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:56:13 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:42 -!- noobcanoe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:04:07 -!- shnurlf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:07:30 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:09:05 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:06 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:16:33 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:19:47 -!- Kat is now known as NotKat 14:29:36 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:52 -!- NotKat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:36:00 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:37:31 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:34 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:41:11 -!- Hurricos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:41:17 -!- simples has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:48:19 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:17 -!- asdasdfewewe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:00:02 -!- NotKat_ is now known as NotKat 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:17 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:01:19 -!- NotKat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:08:08 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:08:34 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:11:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:09 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:17:26 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:11 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:23:19 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 15:25:38 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:34:11 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:34:39 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:08 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:41:10 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:55:24 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:25 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:00 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:02:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:03:25 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 16:06:57 -!- jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:17:14 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:21 -!- docpaisley has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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shift-D command was changed intentionally or it is concomitatnt bug? 17:04:21 It drops last picked up item normally. 17:04:36 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 17:05:26 what changed? 17:05:47 Right now I used it and it dropped all items I bought from a number of shops. 17:06:22 I'm quite sure in 0.17 it would drop items bought in one operation, not all of them. 17:06:24 if you bought them all at once, they can all qualify to be the last thing you picked up 17:06:42 That's the point, I didn't bought them at once 17:07:56 hm, trying it out in wizmode just now and it does seem to act oddly 17:08:40 i bought 5 miscellaneous food items from one shop, then 3 bread rations from a second. pressed D, and it dropped 3 miscellaneous items 17:09:23 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:11:30 -!- techieAgnostic has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4-dev] 17:12:06 Yes, looking accurately at the numbers of drop, I can say it didn't drop all my buyings too. 17:13:50 anyway i don't think anyone did this 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##crawl-dev 19:02:35 !tell chequers Do you have any kind of tournament page up? I'd like to have one with the usual rules information to link to, when i make the announcement post. (ala http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-16-tournament ) 19:02:36 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let chequers know. 19:03:49 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:08:10 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 19:08:34 i just realized, re the yak comment last night, that the perfect combo is YaVp 19:08:37 how can it lose? 19:09:08 oh, but do we have a pak banner? 19:09:14 and are there any other rules changes? 19:09:25 banners... 19:09:38 But yeah chequers can make a preliminary rules page hopefully 19:09:45 "adding god means adding a banner" is a rule designed to make our lives really hard 19:09:50 sure, i can always say 'subject to change' or w/e 19:09:58 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:09:58 Lasty: agreed! it wasn't the rule in old tourneys, ofc 19:09:59 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:09:59 sure, I mean we don't have to change the rules this t 19:10:28 imo new rule: games only count for t if you go DUHZ 19:10:38 Lasty: but I don't think it's actually all that hard, necessarilly; perhaps rethinking the banners to not be centered on gods would be a good idea though 19:10:47 that would actualy entail more work at this point, though 19:11:37 It's probably more that there's not really anyone who wants to be in charge of thinking about the tournament, that's another area that needs recruiting probably 19:12:00 thinking about t being seperate from running/developing the scoring to some extent 19:12:19 *separate, I can never spell that word properly 19:13:36 interesting, I think I found the last wand, but I got no special message 19:13:41 ah! haha 19:13:53 this message order is funny: 19:13:54 You climb downwards. You have identified the last wand. A stone giant comes into view. 19:13:57 _The stone giant shouts! Found a scroll of amnesia and a wand of hasting. 19:14:16 message ordering... 19:14:27 the final frontier 19:14:56 now it seems that message ordering has brought down cbro 19:15:01 Napkin_: around? could I get a CNAME for tournament.crawl.develz.org to point to crawl.project357.org ? 19:15:02 chequers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:15:05 !messages 19:15:06 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (12m 30s ago): Do you have any kind of tournament page up? I'd like to have one with the usual rules information to link to, when i make the announcement post. (ala http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-16-tournament ) 19:15:12 I will never get to see that hasting wand again I'm sure 19:15:16 PleasingFungus: not yet, I'll put it up in a few hours 19:15:20 ok, ty! 19:15:28 i'll probably be out, so send me a tell, i'll get to it. 19:15:30 if I can get an official url I'll use that 19:15:33 sure 19:16:20 ??is_cbro_down 19:16:52 2 minutes, 58 seconds since last activity (cbro) 19:17:09 is cjr oficial yet? 19:17:13 -!- neckro23 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:17:13 not quite 19:17:19 !lg * cjr 19:17:21 waiting to hear from the snark about sequell 19:17:21 No keyword 'cjr' 19:17:27 it's not in yet 19:17:33 for sequell, just submit a pull request 19:17:35 I've made and issue and told him about it 19:17:48 -!- Rotatell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:17:53 rip cbro 19:18:08 johnstein: Any problem with cbro right now (if you're around) 19:18:23 -!- johnstein has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:18:35 I see how it is 19:21:17 * chequers silently takes down the "gammafunk ❤ johnstein" banner 19:21:47 I'm also no longer heading his official fan club 19:22:24 Sad! 19:22:38 i will need to revise my fanfic canon 19:23:20 instead of shipping johnstein, gammafunk is just going on about his headcannon all the time 19:23:59 it's probably an actual weapon in a final fantasy game 19:24:03 the headcannon 19:24:10 why not deus ex? 19:24:19 the king of games... 19:26:21 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:27:19 gammafunk: use-case for beemlib -- sending a message to all current games 19:27:28 eg "I am turning this server off for maintenance in 15mins" 19:27:33 hrm, yeah 19:27:37 please finish in, um, the next 15 minutes 19:27:53 although perhaps that should simply be in webtiles itself? 19:27:58 it would be a more natural way to implement 19:28:10 but maybe a general announce bot? 19:28:22 definitely would belong as a function in webtiles-core 19:28:34 but chat bot can replace so much core functionality 19:29:45 since crawl is fundamentally ascii, we could even make the chatbot into the game interface itself! beem would just whisper you the crawl UI every turn 19:30:30 don't joke like that. I really want to make it so people on twitch can set my tile, but it's hard to get data into the game 19:31:31 you could use custom js shim 19:31:46 Well I play over console 19:32:26 i'd like the ability to set your console glyph 19:32:46 it'll look the same to everyone on stream, but you accidentally start trying to tab yourself 19:33:04 make gammafunk play with lsdrobin rc 19:33:18 wait, what's the one with funny colours 19:34:12 acidrobin? 19:34:19 ??acidrobin 19:34:19 acidrobin[1/4]: A 100% accurate emulation of exploring a dungeon during a hallucinogenic trip. The password is 'robin'. It's probably advisable not to play if you have epilepsy or are prone to motion sickness. 19:34:26 &rc acidrobin 19:34:28 http://crawl.develz.org/configs/trunk/AcidRobin.rc 19:35:14 ah yes 19:35:18 wow that staircase stuff is sadistic 19:35:49 -!- jefus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:36:06 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:30 ??rcfile 19:36:30 rcfile[1/4]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt 19:37:04 -!- Zibudo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:37:26 -!- Zibudo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 19:37:39 that rcfile needs some love. it doesn't work at all 19:39:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:55 -!- ricardofg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:43:13 how does sequell figure out why ttyrec files to watch 19:43:16 *which 19:44:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:44:06 ah, timestamp*.ts files in morgue dir 19:53:39 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest18135 19:55:34 -!- Surgo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:56:34 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:57:38 -!- Guest18135 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:59:17 hm. I think it would be simplest to run the tournament on the same server as past years 19:59:24 if it's possible for me to get SSH access there? 20:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:23 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:00:36 would that require contacting |amethyst? could email him, ofc 20:02:53 i'm not sure, do any other devs in here have access? elliptic ? 20:03:25 yeah I do 20:03:32 chequers: what can of things will you need to run? 20:03:51 python and mysql access only? 20:04:00 -!- Franz__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:04 and wget -c 20:05:07 it's fine for me to share the login, and |amethyst did say running this t on cszo is fine, but it'll only work if your setup doesn't need special priveleges other than what current scripts use 20:05:13 vim 20:05:28 i don't think it would 20:05:44 yeah, that's fine; there's existing tourney stuff you need to not clobber, but other than that it should be good 20:05:57 how do you want me to share the credentials with you? 20:06:27 -!- ricardofg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:06:32 hm, pass me your ssh pubkey and I'll give you an account on cpo to scp them to 20:07:37 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:07:53 -!- Alatreon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:08:16 http://dpaste.com/14VDKN4 20:08:33 no one look at that, it has the nuclear codes 20:09:53 naming your computer after yourself? I expected no less 20:10:09 try ssh dropbox@crawl.project357.org 20:10:12 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:11:49 it's just a popular name. my computer is named gammafunk too 20:12:40 chequers: cszo-tourney.txt 20:13:38 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:49 ty 20:14:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:15:01 Although I'm not sure if the tournament url setup will require neil, let me see 20:15:28 ah ok 20:15:52 chequers: html needs to go in ~/html/0.18, which your process should make 20:15:57 I'll drop him an email as an FYI 20:16:20 ah, and those are symlinks into dcss_tourney fwiw 20:16:25 but maybe you don't want to use that dir at all 20:16:30 since that's all the old script 20:16:30 s 20:16:54 yeah good idea actually, to let him know you're using the login 20:17:33 base url will be http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.18/ when you make that dir in ~/html/0.18 20:19:07 chequers: and see https://github.com/crawl/dcss_tourney for accessing mysql, we clobber the db each tourney since we start from a scheme and the scripts make the data 20:19:22 so there's not much other than using the right username and making a table for yourself 20:19:27 yep 20:19:35 I've run it locally a few times successfully 20:19:45 right, you did that already 20:20:07 well I need to make beem randomly insult people during the tournament 20:20:27 -!- Mordru has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:20:47 "MiBe? I thought that combo lost points if you won." 20:28:38 !time 20:28:38 Time: Apr 26, 2016, 12:28:37 AM, UTC. 20:29:16 !kw t0.17 20:29:17 Built-in: t0.17 => start>='2015-11-06 20:00:00' time<'2015-11-22 20:00:00' ((cv=0.17|0.17-a)) explbr= 20:29:45 then we get the fun of coordinating with all the server admins 20:29:50 hopefully we can reach hong this time 20:33:04 -!- djfdjfjdieieieie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:37:08 !log * deak won -2 20:37:09 18/19. WalkerBoh, XL27 DEAK, T:122645: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/WalkerBoh/morgue-WalkerBoh-20151213-061446.txt 20:37:19 could I get write access to crawl/dcss_tourney? I am committing locally so it could just wait until after the tourney when someone else pushes, but I'd prefer not 20:37:25 (the github repo) 20:38:13 chequers: what's your github name? 20:39:19 alexjurkiewicz 20:40:09 alexjurkiewicz now has write access to crawl/dcss_tourney 20:40:23 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:40:26 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 20:40:37 we may need to do some repo management on that 20:40:41 ty 20:40:56 branch master to tourney-old or something? 20:41:33 the new code is unrelated to the existing I think 20:42:21 maybe that's best done as just a tag 20:43:06 are you talking about my bootstrap rewrite or something else 20:44:18 after looking at this code/server I am not going to make any major changes, and just do the minimal work to update the tourney code to 0.18 as-is 20:44:20 -!- espais has joined ##crawl-dev 20:44:24 oh ok 20:44:26 never mind then 20:44:35 longer term I'd like to move tourney to bootstrap by integrating it into dcss-scoreboard :) 20:44:45 yeah thought you were deploying the new stuff 20:45:08 it's tempting but there's a bunch of 80/20 bugs to fix and I'd rather spend the time on new code 20:45:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:45:23 there were some things I never finished up on that branch 20:45:30 er on that repo 20:45:56 I hadn't realised you did work on this repo until I was looking at the bash history just now 20:45:58 -!- espais has left ##crawl-dev 20:46:10 chequers: yeah you're working on the 0.17 branch right now 20:46:12 instead of master 20:46:26 -!- atastypie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:46:35 -!- espais has quit [Client Quit] 20:46:41 ah, ugh 20:47:01 so re: tourney, is there stuff what needs doing what I could do? 20:47:14 Lasty: new pak banner? any rule changes 20:47:24 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:47:32 gammafunk: I'll see what I can do 20:48:13 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:49:14 chequers: it would probably be smart to put your changes into a 0.18 branch instead of committing to master 20:49:40 otoh if this is the last tourney using these scripts... 20:49:42 -!- jerkstore has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:50:21 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:50:29 chequers: and if you're testing this, you might want to comment out cbro right now, since it's still down 20:50:31 hm, what's the purpose of using a dedicated branch? 20:50:37 gammafunk: and cszo 20:50:40 yep! 20:51:18 chequers: well each tourney has changes for that tournament, but yeah you can just do it in master, and if we ended up using these again for 0.19 or something we could deal with it then 20:51:57 i guess i should follow convention 20:51:57 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:52:00 we have to one-off exclude bad clan names etc 20:52:40 and the banners change each t, so it's nice to just have the set of t changes in a branch, but maybe it's just best to Do What You Feel 20:53:08 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:27 -!- MakMorn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:53:50 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 20:54:48 -!- MakMorn has quit [Client Quit] 20:55:12 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 20:55:53 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: o7] 20:56:42 !seen grunt 20:56:42 I last saw Grunt at Fri Mar 25 18:44:03 2016 UTC (4w 3d 6h 12m 38s ago) parting ##crawl-sequell, saying 'chanpart'. 20:58:09 need a new banner_footer1.png aka the version number banner on player pages v 20:58:12 http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.17/players/cosmonaut.html 20:59:04 is Pakellas going to be the only new god? 20:59:14 gammafunk: "otoh if this is the last tourney using these scripts..." -- is that likely? 20:59:15 yes 20:59:38 I wrote a script once, AMA 20:59:52 Lasty: see conversation further up about my grand, as-yet-unrealised plans 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:07 oo, grand plans 21:00:09 Lasty: and see dcss-scoreboard proof of concept if you haven't already 21:00:16 https://crawl.project357.org/static/scoreboard/index.html 21:01:14 gammafunk: did u ever do something so stupid on the script you thought of just becoming a Free Range Chicken Farmer? 21:01:26 dang 21:01:49 what would you rather fight, a program sized script or 100 script sized programs 21:02:11 the latter 21:02:20 i don't wanna see the first one 21:02:36 chequers really understands AMAs 21:03:08 100% correct and compliant implementation of a C/C++ compiler in a convenient 500-line script 21:04:03 ??cbro 21:04:03 cbro[1/4]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org. Use glyph/sigil ^ for bots 21:04:07 ??is cbro down 21:04:08 1 hours, 50 minutes, 41 seconds since last activity (cbro) 21:04:12 rip 21:04:22 :( 21:04:28 gammafunk: you'll have to accept 550 line https://github.com/LuaDist/tcc/blob/master/tcc.c 21:04:36 I was going to mess around on the dev wizmode stuff again 21:04:55 and hopefully find bugs like how you can spawn hydra corpses with negative heads and then reanimate them 21:04:58 needs to support C++14 though 21:05:07 oh sry 21:05:44 c++17 pls 21:05:46 guy 21:05:48 guys! 21:05:53 |amethyst is coming back 21:06:16 not today 21:06:16 "a few days" 21:06:30 sweet 21:06:34 excellent! 21:06:36 we should have a potluck 21:07:21 i'll bring the stones 21:07:22 I have this wonderful kobold chunk recipe I've been meaning to share with you all 21:07:50 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:08:18 ok, let's run this thing 21:08:29 wait, let's not 21:09:25 you misspelled ruin? :p 21:09:40 elliptic: how did you generate nem_eligible.txt? 21:09:46 oh 21:09:54 we have to decide about that 21:10:13 chequers: if you like, for testing just use the 0.17 one 21:11:12 yeah I am 21:12:11 it was nwon < something iirc? or maybe more complicated than that 21:13:16 I think it was close to that, yeah 21:13:52 yeah, that sounds familiar mpa 21:14:11 !lg * playable won s=char fmt:"${.}" ?: N<7 21:14:12 I think it's just lowest nwon-s 21:14:12 6 games for * (playable won): DDAE 21:14:22 !lg * playable won s=char fmt:"${.}" ?: N<10 21:14:24 56 games for * (playable won): FoCj, DEHu, CeIE, TeEn, FoIE, FoNe, DDAE 21:14:28 !lg * playable won s=char fmt:"${.}" ?: N<14 21:14:29 275 games for * (playable won): VSAM, HuEn, HaSu, DDSk, GrNe, HOCj, MiVM, DETm, TeWr, MfCj, DDIE, SpSu, FoWr, KoAE, HaFE, CeCj, DDEn, GhSu, FoCj, CeIE, DEHu, FoIE, TeEn, FoNe, DDAE 21:15:04 about 100 combos in the current list 21:15:14 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.2/20160407164938]] 21:15:16 -!- Rast-- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:15:16 !lg * playable won s=char fmt:"${.}" ?: N<16 21:15:17 564 games for * (playable won): CeSu, VSSu, HEVM, GrEn, VSCj, FoWz, VSEE, HOEn, VpAM, DEGl, FeAK, CeAr, HaEn, CeEE, CeNe, FeNe, OpAM, GhEn, FoTm, OpWr, GrNe, DDSk, TeWr, HuEn, VSAM, DETm, MiVM, HOCj, HaSu, MfCj, DDIE, FoWr, KoAE, SpSu, HaFE, CeCj, DDEn, GhSu, FoCj, DEHu, CeIE, TeEn, FoIE, FoNe, DDAE 21:15:29 !lg * playable won s=char fmt:"${.}" ?: N<17 21:15:31 852 games for * (playable won): DDAK, GhCj, FoAE, HEAr, CeVM, TrFE, DEAr, GhVM, FoVM, MuEE, TrVM, HaWz, GhAK, HEEn, OgVM, KoIE, HaAE, FoEn, CeSu, VSSu, HEVM, GrEn, VSCj, FoWz, VSEE, HOEn, VpAM, CeNe, FeAK, CeAr, HaEn, CeEE, DEGl, FeNe, FoTm, OpWr, OpAM, GhEn, VSAM, HuEn, HaSu, DDSk, GrNe, HOCj, TeWr, DETm, MiVM, MfCj, DDIE, FoWr, KoAE, SpSu, HaFE, CeCj, DDEn, GhSu, FoCj, DEHu, CeIE, FoIE, TeEn, Fo... 21:15:36 probably 17 or 18 21:16:00 should be a command 21:16:04 !unfunandrarelywon 21:16:17 wow, is nwon really up to 6 now 21:16:31 -!- Akett has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:17:29 i was going to guess that nchoice was set at nwon 5 or something and that that'd still have plenty of combos! 21:17:43 no, it was 15 last tourney! 21:17:48 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:17:54 we need to nerf crawl, clearly 21:18:26 games too popular 21:19:43 there is a command 21:19:49 !nwon 18 28 21:19:56 103 combos won at most 18 times: CeAE CeAr CeCj CeEE CeFE CeIE CeNe CeSu CeVM DDAE DDAK DDCj DDEn DDIE DDSk DDSu DDWz DEAM DEAr DEGl DEHu DESk DETm DrAM FeAK FeNe FoAE FoCj FoEn FoFE FoIE FoNe FoSu FoTm FoVM FoWr FoWz GhAK GhCj GhEn GhSu GhVM GrAM GrEn GrNe HaAE HaEn HaFE HaNe HaSu HaVM HaWz HEAr HEEn HESu HEVM HOAE HOCj HOEn HOSu HuEn KoAE KoIE MfAE MfCj MfEE MfFE MiCj MiVM MuAK MuEE MuEn OgAE Og... 21:20:13 (the 28 is so that it doesn't print player names for games in progress) 21:20:45 !nwon 18 1 21:20:53 103 combos won at most 18 times: CeAE CeAr CeCj CeEE CeFE CeIE CeNe(JewishKing,jumbajumba) CeSu CeVM DDAE(xzanthius) DDAK DDCj DDEn(MEMEGOD666) DDIE DDSk(Cheibrodos) DDSu DDWz DEAM DEAr DEGl DEHu DESk DETm DrAM FeAK FeNe(4Hooves2Appendages) FoAE FoCj FoEn(crawlcrawl) FoFE FoIE(Shinyonok) FoNe(Ququman) FoSu(lordbaton) FoTm FoVM FoWr(ashizen) FoWz GhAK GhCj GhEn GhSu GhVM(redsky) GrAM GrEn GrNe HaAE... 21:21:27 !cmd !nwon 21:21:27 Command: !nwon => =nwon.nodefs ${1:-$(=nwon.n)} ${2:-12} 21:21:50 !cmd =nwon.nodefs 21:21:50 Command: =nwon.nodefs => .echo $(let (x (=currentgames $(=nwon.list $1) $2)) $(if (= $x x) "All combos have been won at least $(int (+ 1 $1)) $(plural time (int (+ 1 $1)))!" "$(length (split ' ' $x)) $(plural combo (length (split ' ' $x))) won at most $1 times: $x")) 21:22:13 !nwon 21:22:14 All combos have been won at least 4 times! 21:22:26 !nwon year 21:22:27 Subcommand $(=nwon.list year) failed: Broken query near 'year' in $(= ${x} x) in $(if $(= ${x} x) All combos ... 21:22:41 !nwon 5 21:22:43 All combos have been won at least 6 times! 21:22:46 !nwon 6 21:22:53 1 combo won at most 6 times: DDAE 21:23:01 !cmd =nwon.n 21:23:01 Command: =nwon.n => .echo 3 21:23:10 !cmd =nwon.n .echo 6 21:23:10 Redefined command: =nwon.n => .echo 6 21:23:17 !nwon 21:23:23 let's just make tourney players win DDAE for the first day or so of nemelex choice 21:23:23 1 combo won at most 6 times: DDAE 21:24:19 chequers: anyway I usually used "!nwon n 28" with n chosen to have ~120 combos 21:24:41 !nwon 19 28 21:24:49 131 combos won at most 19 times: CeAE CeAr CeCj CeEE CeEn CeFE CeIE CeNe CeSu CeTm CeVM DDAE DDAK DDAM DDCj DDEn DDIE DDSk DDSu DDWz DEAK DEAM DEAr DEGl DEHu DESk DETm DEWn DrAM FeAK FeNe FeWr FoAE FoCj FoEn FoFE FoIE FoNe FoSu FoTm FoVM FoWr FoWz GhAE GhAK GhAs GhCj GhEE GhEn GhSu GhVM GrAM GrEn GrNe HaAE HaEn HaFE HaIE HaNe HaSu HaVM HaWz HEAr HEEn HESu HEVM HOAE HOCj HOEn HOIE HOSu HOVM HOWz Hu... 21:25:35 19 is a nice prime number 21:25:36 but if you want to use some other list of combos that works too, I'd just advise having at least 100 combos in the list and having most of them be combos that players are unlikely to choose on their own 21:26:46 Lasty: That's another thing you might think of, if doing nem choice is more interesting to choose some other way, you need at least 100 combos, having a bit more than that would be nice 21:27:04 hrm 21:27:25 order by plays rather than wins? 21:27:34 -!- Ubk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:48 only problem with the current list is that it's extremly boring in terms of variety 21:27:57 message from johnstein: 21:28:00 can someone on freenode head to the crawl-dev room and let them know the cbro server got borked and apparently Ramnode is working it? 21:28:00 I can't seem to connect to freenode. something about sasl 21:28:26 good to know 21:28:32 Ubk: thanks 21:29:00 !lg * recent playable !boring s=-char 21:29:05 1307026 games for * (recent playable !boring): 60x CeNe, 65x DDAM, 79x HaEE, 88x DDCj, 93x HOVM, 94x MfFE, 98x DDSu, 98x CeIE, 99x VpHu, 102x MiIE, 105x GrAM, 106x CeAs, 108x GhEn, 111x DDAs, 112x DDWz, 113x MfAM, 115x CeEn, 116x CeVM, 116x TrAE, 118x CeSu, 120x GrEn, 126x GhHu, 128x VSAM, 145x HaNe, 148x OgAE, 148x TrIE, 149x KoAE, 150x GhAr, 150x MfAr, 151x DEHu, 154x FoIE, 157x TrCj, 158x GrAs,... 21:29:38 np 21:29:41 trcj, good 21:30:00 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest30627 21:30:27 really any list of random combos that doesn't have easy stuff like MiBe looks pretty similar 21:31:27 and the script tries to avoid repeating the same race or the same class too much, so it isn't a big problem if there are 10 DDs in the list or something 21:31:54 oh it does? i was just about to suggest that 21:32:53 FR: new unique - dreemur. d:1, magikarp level of threat. Everytime you hit him he screams "It was just a prank bro" 21:33:23 yeah, combos are weighted by 10^(-number of intersections with previous combos) 21:33:38 -!- tedric has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:18 -!- Guest30627 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:34:53 which seems to work pretty well for giving a fairly balanced list but still making it hard to predict the next combo chosen 21:34:57 oh 21:35:05 !lg * cjr 21:35:06 16. Crawl the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi), quit the game on D:1 (evilmike_arrival_fibonacci_small) on 2016-04-23 07:25:41, with 0 points after 8 turns and 0:00:08. 21:35:11 snark added cjr 21:35:15 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:35:37 Zibudo: Now cjr is in sequell, and I'm going to update the website to include it, unless you want to wait? 21:35:58 If you have more you want to do, we can wait as there's plenty of time for t 21:36:06 gammafunk: reminder: servers.json 21:36:10 yeah 21:36:22 a few places, including some on wordpress 21:36:28 gammafunk: well i finished the script, I just have to add the web page then it will be done. I think by latest by wednesday I will be done, probably tomorrow depending on how busy I am 21:36:35 ??cjr 21:36:35 cjr[1/1]: https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/ Hosted in Montreal by Zibudo 21:36:45 nice https 21:36:45 Zibudo: no problem, how about you just tell me when it's live and I'll update the website 21:36:53 gammafunk: sure thing 21:37:01 for now people can track their games in sequell, at least 21:37:07 all the americans playing on cpo should hopefully flood over 21:37:18 Yeah, to a *cool* server 21:37:20 oh boy 21:37:22 ): 21:37:31 .<. new kid in town 21:37:38 why are americans playing on cpo? 21:37:39 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 21:37:51 https = proxy punchthrough 21:37:57 just love upside-down text 21:38:10 websocket = proxies were made in the 90s, they don't support this newfangled technobabble 21:38:11 ah, indeed. console reasons 21:39:09 does anyone know where the log file for console is? 21:39:10 derp. I can't run the tourney in test mode because I updated all the links to point to 0.18 which doesn't exist 21:39:32 Zibudo: like a file logging connections to the SSH console? there isn't one 21:39:34 Zibudo: well, you could check the sshd logs 21:39:40 yeah, just that 21:40:27 I'd not be surprised if dgl does do some logging though 21:41:06 -!- johnwayner has quit [Client Quit] 21:41:43 dgamelaunch has log output, but it's simgularly useless. It probably led me astray more than it helped 21:42:09 IIRC when someone connects it prints something along the lines of "ok" 21:42:19 -!- MarvinPA has left ##crawl-dev 21:44:05 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:44:18 gammafunk: what's the goal of nemchoice? hard combos? obscure combos? Just random stuff? 21:44:48 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:44:57 Lasty: not purely random stuff certainly, but I think it should be combos that are challenging while having good variety 21:45:02 -!- flappity_ is now known as flappity 21:45:24 i could mention cjr to the guys on reddit who are panicking about cbro 21:45:28 is there a reason i shouldn't 21:45:36 amalloy: I wouldn't 21:45:40 games aren't in cao scoring 21:45:51 but they are in sequell, so I guess you could mention this? 21:45:59 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 21:46:12 gammafunk: and you said at least 100 of them? 21:46:29 ??cjr 21:46:29 cjr[1/1]: https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/ Hosted in Montreal by Zibudo 21:46:30 Lasty: yeah min of 100, elliptic mentioned 120 as better 21:46:37 amalloy: where are they panicing? 21:46:38 Zibudo: is it webtiles only? 21:46:47 Lasty: but you have to keep in mind that they will be chosen so that races/classes are repeated as little as possible 21:46:55 and of course they will be chosen randomly 21:46:55 https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/4gg7g4/is_cbro_webtiles_down/ 21:46:58 I think a small percentace of early nem combos can be easy 21:47:17 well what are "early" combos 21:47:19 there's not really early or late 21:47:31 until the system stops using nem_eligible.txt 21:47:34 early combos have more players who start playing them at the same time 21:47:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:47:58 (it uses it "for a while" before the tourney itself has enough data to spontaneously produce its own combos. I think? That's based on comments) 21:48:06 so having them be easy is bad because it means running out of wins 21:48:08 chequers: uh, no 21:48:34 -!- hexstein has joined ##crawl-dev 21:48:39 it only selects from those combos, chequers 21:48:42 chequers: I have no idea what comments you are looking at but that totally not how the code works (or ever did work) 21:48:44 ??is cbro down 21:48:47 lasty: both 21:48:47 2 hours, 35 minutes, 19 seconds since last activity (cbro) 21:48:58 it doesn't pick combos out the air, and can only select from the set you give it 21:49:37 dunno if anyone came in here earlier, but cbro is currently experiencing technical difficulties 21:49:40 yeah, iirc if it somehow runs out of combos (everything in nem_eligible.txt is won during the tourney) it would just stop giving new nchoices 21:50:02 but that can't really happen if it starts with 100 combos and most of them are weird things that players are unlikely to choose to play until they are chosen 21:50:10 hexstein: someone let us know about that, yeah 21:50:36 hmmm 21:50:48 I mean it's possible to rethink the entire idea of nem choice, but the tournament already rewards playing easy combos 21:50:54 in that you get points for winning 21:51:14 I'd always thought of nem choice as a special challenge not relatively free extra points 21:51:14 Currently Nemelex' Choice combo selection happens automatically and does not 21:51:15 require Sequell's database. If NEMELEX_USE_LIST is set to True in nemelex.py, 21:51:17 then the combos will all be chosen from the file nem_eligible.txt. Otherwise, 21:51:20 the first combo will be chosen from this file and later combos will be chosen 21:51:23 from those with the lowest high score thus far in the tournament. 21:51:32 i guess I didn't bother to check what that constant was set to 21:51:35 gammafunk, cool. 21:52:14 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:24 anyway, we can regenerate that soon. And maybe drop any combos played as choices last tourney 21:52:38 of course, some of the 'hard' choices it will choose are in fact easy since they're Trolls etc 21:52:50 just not TrBe easy 21:53:01 yeah. lots of Ce in there 21:53:15 chequers: wow, I forgot I coded that option :) maybe I used the other option once, like the first time I implemented automatic nchoice selection? 21:53:27 Zibudo: what're the login/password for SSH? I'll add it to the learndb entry 21:53:28 too many tournaments blending together in my memory 21:53:33 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:53:39 elliptic of the past speaks to elliptic of the present! time travel! 21:54:28 it is true that several races don't have any hard backgrounds... 21:54:34 chequers: removing any overlap with last tourney is a good idea, though there probably isn't a huge amount (since nchoice combos tend to get won enough to push them off of the list) 21:54:34 elliptic: haha 21:54:41 Lasty: We're not going to 'officially' add it quite yet 21:55:03 Zibudo has some things he'd like to do, so maybe it'd be wise to add all that stuff at the same time 21:55:13 I guess it's available now 21:55:18 so maybe that just doesn't make sense 21:55:32 Lasty: anyhow it's jorgrun/rocks for username/pass iirc, let me verify 21:56:08 Lasty: yeah it's jorgrun/rocks 21:56:37 hrm, we do need to mention that games are only seen through sequell 21:56:40 ??cjr 21:56:40 cjr[1/1]: https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/ Hosted in Montreal by Zibudo 21:56:48 ??cbro 21:56:48 cbro[1/5]: EXPERIENCING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES! see cbro[5] . In Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org. Use glyph/sigil ^ for bots 21:56:51 ??cbro[5 21:56:51 cbro[5/5]: RamNode Status @NodeStatus: "Performing switch replacement for impacted ATL servers." https://twitter.com/NodeStatus 21:56:58 gammafunk: I just figure since the web tiles is up, might as well add the whole shebang 21:57:01 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:57:08 Lasty: yeah web is up, so might as well list the ssh stuff 21:57:44 !learn edit cjr s/$/. SSH username jorgrun, password rocks./ 21:57:45 cjr[1/1]: https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/ Hosted in Montreal by Zibudo. SSH username jorgrun, password rocks. 21:58:26 !learn edit cjr s/$/ Currently games are visible on Sequell, but CAO scoring is a work in progress./ 21:58:26 cjr[1/1]: https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/ Hosted in Montreal by Zibudo. SSH username jorgrun, password rocks. Currently games are visible on Sequell, but CAO scoring is a work in progress. 21:58:38 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:59:18 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:59:57 -!- hexstein has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:00 -!- hexstein has joined ##crawl-dev 22:05:49 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 22:06:32 <|amethyst> anybody interested in running a server? 22:06:32 |amethyst: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:07:27 welcome back <3 22:07:47 <|amethyst> !tell chequers 0.0 in that map thing is suspicious... makes it sound like the file got truncated or something? 22:07:47 |amethyst: OK, I'll let chequers know. 22:07:55 |amethyst: well we've gotten cjr mostly set up now 22:08:39 <|amethyst> ??cjr 22:08:40 cjr[1/1]: https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/ Hosted in Montreal by Zibudo. SSH username jorgrun, password rocks. Currently games are visible on Sequell, but CAO scoring is a work in progress. 22:08:47 <|amethyst> aha 22:09:08 <|amethyst> re scoring, does someone else have root on CAO? 22:09:26 perhaps bh does? 22:10:01 oh 22:10:11 hi |amethyst 22:10:12 (re server: someday. still getting some ducks in a row before they all get shot down...) 22:10:34 -!- tyvek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:11:06 |amethyst: reviving cszo? 22:11:07 chequers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:11:19 welcome back btw! 22:11:57 <|amethyst> /home/rax/scoring/sources.yml tail -f ../scoring.log and kill python scoresd.py when it says "Finished batch" then ./scoring.py to restart the daemon (it might not *need* to run as root, but file permissions mean it probably does at the moment) 22:12:38 <|amethyst> yes, looking for someone to manage everything on CSZO except paying the bills 22:12:46 good to know 22:13:02 <|amethyst> well, and SSL keys, I guess I can do that myself since the domain's in my name 22:13:23 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:13:25 (letsencrypt!) 22:13:35 and doy?! 22:13:38 <|amethyst> doy: using startssl right now 22:13:47 bh has root on CAO and I am open to giving it to other people 22:13:47 |amethyst: it's super easy to switch 22:13:54 hm, I might put my hand up, but I won't decide til after the tourney 22:14:08 <|amethyst> doy: was thinking about switching but iI'd have to automate it since AIUI the cert lifetimes are really short 22:14:21 yeah, they have the automation stuff all in place now too 22:14:25 I'm using letsencrypt on CPO. A few little niggles, but it's alright 22:14:53 just run `letsencrypt renew` in a daily cronjob or something 22:15:08 and some fiddling to make it restart nginx when it actually updates 22:15:21 yep. That's the one part I don't get 22:15:35 the nginx module is still experimental so I didn't try to use it 22:15:49 http://paste.tozt.net/2016-04-2567pPvdVE is what i do 22:15:58 run as a daily cronjob 22:16:09 -!- jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:16:38 wow, even a trap! thanks i might steal this 22:19:56 |amethyst: uh did http://dobrazupa.org/ just go down? did I break it??! 22:20:37 |amethyst, I could possibly volunteer as a backup. I bet it's set up similar to cbro 22:21:14 I don't know if I'd feel comfortable with anything more than general troubleshooting and kicking things to restart the server 22:22:31 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:02 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:25:00 <|amethyst> err, moment 22:25:43 i'm surprised scroll of brand armour isn't listed in https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:wont_do 22:25:49 <|amethyst> chequers: back up 22:26:03 <|amethyst> chequers: I was taking apache off http[s]://crawl.s-z.org/ 22:26:27 <|amethyst> amalloy: maybe people didn't start requesting it until recently 22:26:38 <|amethyst> amalloy: fortunately, being a wiki page, it's editable :) 22:26:53 amalloy: add it imo 22:27:00 i've seen it at least 3-4 times 22:27:08 rip cszo. So the new server would be same hardware but new name? 22:27:08 rip 22:27:31 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:27:39 !tell pleasingfungus http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.18/ -- but it's *not* ready to link yet 22:27:39 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 22:32:01 brb chequers, stickying that on reddit 22:32:10 npnp 22:33:46 hah cdo down too? 22:33:49 everything is down 22:34:19 it's a plot by cao/cjr to attract all the traffic 22:34:25 all that advertising revenue 22:37:07 lol 22:37:28 the only reason my server is still in the scoring pool is all the devs use adblockers so they don't see my inter-level interstituals 22:38:15 -!- Alatreon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:38:39 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:40:47 You climb down the staircase. The smell of fresh McDonalds fries wafts into your nose. 22:41:01 (bug report: should not display for mummies) 22:41:54 ??reserved_clan_names 22:41:54 reserved clan names[1/15]: Akrasiac Record 22:41:58 ??reserved_clan_names[15 22:41:59 reserved clan names[15/15]: Strongest of Possible Liches 22:42:02 ??reserved_clan_names[14 22:42:02 reserved clan names[14/15]: Ectoplasmic Revolution [PleasingFungus] 22:42:05 ??reserved_clan_names[13 22:42:05 reserved clan names[13/15]: Physical Recharging Gland (wheals) 22:42:11 ??reserved_clan_names[12 22:42:11 reserved clan names[12/15]: Charms Reform Gestapo [gammafunk] 22:42:19 my fav so far 22:42:21 ??reserved_clan_names[11 22:42:22 You read the scroll of magic mapping. You detect one Chemist Warehouse at 87 Cleveland Street, with a special on contact lenses for today only! 22:42:22 reserved clan names[11/15]: Chaos Triplesword Zerked The Emperor Scorpion [PleasingFungus] 22:42:31 ??reserved_clan_names[10 22:42:31 reserved clan names[10/15]: Future Trapdoor Spider [gammafunk] 22:42:38 ??reserved_clan_names[9 22:42:38 reserved clan names[9/15]: Meta-Spitballing [gammafunk] 22:42:42 ??reserved_clan_names[8 22:42:42 reserved clan names[8/15]: Odious Ogres [gammafunk] 22:42:47 ??reserved_clan_names[7 22:42:47 reserved clan names[7/15]: HashtagStupidRemove2016 [Lasty] 22:43:05 1learn mv reserved_clan_names gammafunk's_reserved_clan_names 22:43:41 that's not how democracy works 22:44:09 ??pr 22:44:09 priest[1/1]: In 0.12 and older, a class that started out with a quarterstaff, a robe, some {Invocations} skill, and piety with a god. Priests of most non-evil races started with Zin (they get some healing potions), and Hill Orcs started with Beogh (they got a hand axe instead of a quarterstaff). 22:45:27 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:45:59 !tell floodkiller have you plans to support allowing people to play dcss games as any arbitrary name, with the game linked back to their master profile? 22:45:59 chequers: OK, I'll let floodkiller know. 22:47:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:47:59 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.2/20160407164938]] 22:48:18 His plan was to do this allowing the master server to register any webtiles account under the central account 22:48:54 initially talk was reading rc file header to confirm the link, although I mentioned we could have server do a webtiles login 22:49:14 I mean in the scenario of "ok I want to be called gammafunk for this game" and allowing users to have overlapping name use 22:49:33 eg like dota and unlike league of legends 22:50:07 yeah, in the sense that I could register as gammafunk and as sifmuna on the same server 22:50:19 and then I want to be called sifmuna for a game 22:50:34 perhaps even while you're also playing a game as sifmuna 22:50:45 no there's no modification to webtiles itself with his plan 22:50:56 just a central account that can be linked to any set of webtiles accounts 22:51:04 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 22:51:21 so i can link both gammafunk and sifmuna, but ultimately I'm playing games as those users 22:52:20 again this was how floodkiller last described it to me, but it depends on scoring as well, since that's the end result we'd look at, I assume some central scoring page for my loging with the central server 22:52:31 yeah, that was what I understood 22:52:52 but now that I'm thinking about it, it might not be so much work to support arbitrary name for each game 22:53:03 <|amethyst> save files 22:53:33 you would use a UID for the purposes of what name gets used for now, like save file, morgues, milestones 22:53:57 then another field display_name or similar, which can be arbitrary 22:54:05 sounds like something that would require some changes to webtiles/crawl 22:54:18 <|amethyst> and to dgl 22:54:23 absolutely 22:54:24 <|amethyst> err, dgamelaunch-config 22:55:06 <|amethyst> I'm not sure 22:55:44 <|amethyst> it seems like that makes it kind of easy to pretend to be somebody else 22:56:02 <|amethyst> unless you also use the UID for chat, game list, etc 22:56:24 <|amethyst> at which point you're only using the display name for the upper-right corner of the screen, and artefact names 22:56:31 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:57:27 <|amethyst> also, you'd still need multiple accounts if you wanted to have multiple games going at the same time 22:57:43 <|amethyst> unless you made the save names something like UID-displayname.cs 22:59:04 -!- jetnerd_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:59:18 <|amethyst> you'd probably also need to have both names in the logfiles/milestones 22:59:38 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:59:56 <|amethyst> hm, well, I guess that depends on what you want Sequell and the announcement bots to use 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:22 indeed 23:00:28 wait 23:00:31 is pakellas going to be in .18? 23:00:33 none of those are easy questions 23:00:35 Lightli: yes 23:01:39 -!- tedric has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:04:48 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05:42 -!- meatpath has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:06:51 -!- LostInTranslocat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:13:52 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:16:13 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:17:37 -!- errant_nrx has quit [Quit: EXIT] 23:18:56 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:20:17 -!- Shadou has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:23:32 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 23:26:11 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 23:26:18 -!- miek_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:30:47 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest55265 23:32:24 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 23:32:51 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 23:33:42 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:35:07 -!- Guest55265 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:35:14 |amethyst, hello there! long time no see 23:46:11 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 23:47:49 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:05 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:51:54 -!- NotKat is now known as Kat 23:52:01 -!- Kat is now known as NotKat