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So many removals and simplifications that its turning into a coffee break style game rather than an epic quest. Please rethink some of these changes and bring back some of the complexity we play DCSS for!!!!! 01:14:09 ps, well done on the anchor link to the comment in question 01:14:30 fr blindfolds and medusa 01:15:06 the anchor doesn't even really work for me - my browser window is too tall :( 01:15:41 firstworldproblems 01:15:51 verticalmonitorweirdoproblems? 01:16:12 huh, some guy suggested quivering wands to allow evoking them with f 01:16:22 but then how would you throw wands? 01:16:38 clearly they didn't think that one through at all... 01:16:46 chequers: nah, just the first one 01:16:51 my monitor doesn't turn sideways :( 01:19:07 https://crawl.project357.org/static/scoreboard/index.html 01:19:07 preview mk 2 01:19:25 hm, i feel like i had some comments on the last one 01:20:11 the one I posted a few hours ago? it's not significantly changed 01:20:17 but comments are requested 01:20:57 okay, let's ee 01:21:19 the color for top-level categories you aren't on ("home", "high scores", "streaks") is too low-contrast - looks like it's disabled 01:21:25 disabled, n/a, you know 01:21:42 yup 01:22:32 -!- chamandro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:22:46 DCSS SCOREBOARD could probably be set apart from the other items a bit better - making it bold helps 01:24:03 is there any default sorting for the per-category scores (per-race, per-background, etc?) 01:24:19 there should be! but I broke it 01:24:28 oops 01:24:32 race sorted by race, background by background, etc 01:24:33 lmao @ the fastest (realtime) page 01:24:52 even when he's on his "play slowly" accounts 01:24:53 is streaks supposed to 404? 01:25:01 /Users/aj/crawl/dcss-scoreboard/website/streaks.html no 01:25:04 where is the bad link 01:25:18 the top tab 01:25:26 https://crawl.project357.org/Users/aj/crawl/dcss-scoreboard/website/streaks.html this 404s for me 01:25:30 oops 01:25:35 lol 01:25:46 uh 01:25:53 actually everything is 404ing now 01:25:54 i was trying to change the site silently 01:25:55 one mo 01:25:57 lol 01:25:59 lemme know 01:26:16 1min 01:26:35 better 01:26:39 ps: http://i.imgur.com/9hg4XEy.png lol 01:27:20 does longest streaks have a capped page size? 01:27:23 it seems to just be everything 01:27:28 yeah i love that comit 01:27:45 it doesn't, we haven't decided on that yet 01:27:56 ok 01:28:04 i remember there being a list of all players before, but that seems to be gone now? 01:28:07 were thinking of a) a cap, b) no cap but drop off "inactive" streaks c) I can't remember 01:28:09 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:15 yeah, I didn't see a point to it 01:28:17 imo cap it to like the top 20 or so 01:28:19 now the search box has autocomplete 01:28:34 anyway, the list of 'all players' seemed like the sort of thing that just existed to murder browsers 01:28:36 so i'm glad it's gone 01:28:42 exactly 01:28:44 i was going to express concerns about it but now i can't! 01:28:50 hm 01:29:06 Recent Wins needs more space below the header 01:29:14 yes 01:29:30 the top image might also need some vertical space above it 01:29:32 a little 01:29:37 need a "HELP US GRAPHIC DESIGNERS" badge in the top right 01:30:54 lol 01:31:02 idk, i don't think it's so bad 01:31:15 it's not, like, great? but it's not offensive 01:31:35 i used to have a friend who was into graphic design... i wonder what he's up to these days 01:31:51 "not offensive" about sums it up 01:31:55 like the homepage 01:32:10 my primary suggestions would be a) make the background not just flat white 01:32:11 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:32:21 and b) use a cooler font 01:32:25 !messages 01:32:25 (1/1) minqmay said (1d 8h 39m 49s ago): duvessa tile reference http://likaloony.deviantart.com/art/15-10-14-11-569486745 01:32:30 "cooler"? 01:32:43 it's already sans 01:32:52 the coolest of fonts 01:33:01 segoe ui 01:33:07 optima 01:33:10 I still can't get over that corset thing in that yred comic 01:33:19 it's obviously several sizes too small, why is she wearing it 01:33:29 like you don't know 01:33:44 it must be hideously uncomfortable 01:33:48 i hear it's a touhou, and the touhou guy is notoriously bad at drawing 01:33:52 he probably just drew it the wrong size 01:34:09 "a touhou" 01:34:31 chequers: at least for headings and suchyou could use one that's more... stylized or wahtever 01:34:47 more evocative of dungeons and shit 01:34:51 "a touhou" is correct 01:35:49 yes 01:36:09 Z U N 01:36:16 is the name you're thinking of 01:36:33 -!- Guest12053 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:38:25 ontoclasm: good reference, right 01:38:25 PleasingFungus: thanks for the feedback, any more? 01:38:30 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:38:35 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:39:01 i think that was all i had 01:39:13 minqmay: yes 01:39:37 anyone else? this is your last chance 01:39:46 ...is it...? 01:39:50 a good example of how to make a good blue ramp 01:40:00 oh, hm, i forgot to look at actual player pages 01:40:03 ..."achievements"? 01:41:05 "stats for so-and-so" also needs more vertical space, just like Recent Wins 01:41:30 one of the little :after lines you have below that might do the trick ,idk 01:41:47 er, you're not linking morgues? 01:43:10 not yet, no morgue detection or milestone parsing 01:43:21 this is using nothing but logfile parsing for first release 01:43:34 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:43:34 achievements = good/greater/polytheist/tourney winners/etc 01:43:45 duhz wins 01:44:03 tournament banner type of stuff 01:44:59 it's not really your last chance, but maybe your last chance before public launch 01:45:10 the one i saw was 'potion-less and scroll-less win' 01:45:28 is there a list somewhere? 01:45:51 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:58 <+PleasingFungus> one of the little :after lines you have below that <-- what do you mean by this? 01:46:14 gimme a sec 01:46:19 https://github.com/zxc23/dcss-scoreboard/blob/master/scoreboard/achievements.json 01:46:26 if you mean a user page, that's on the roadmap 01:46:28 user-visible 01:47:18 my strong suspicion is that you're gonna get blowback on 'achievements' 01:47:35 partially for the concept, partially because they have such a visible position, partially because of the name 01:48:05 http://i.imgur.com/F46qRI0.png the little line near the bottom of the image - i was guessing that was caused by the "::after" in the html 01:48:21 er, in the DOM 01:48:24 ah 01:48:37 i think that's caused by the

01:50:04 possibly serious suggestion: move 'global highscores' into the third column, put it above achievements, and rename 'achievements' to something mostly synonymous, like 'Other Notables' 01:50:12 idk 01:50:26 i think you're right about achievement blowback btw. ircers will hate it. Maybe just renaming the concept would be sufficient 01:50:53 note that most pages won't have 'global highscores' (the section only appears when you have one) 01:50:53 ircers will like it actually 01:51:01 they like duhz and challenge runs 01:51:14 i wonder if it'll make tournaments less special 01:51:15 can rename to Banners 01:51:22 -!- Zibudo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:51:22 since normally a lot of this stuff is only tracked there 01:51:25 idk 01:51:35 tournaments have their time limit and competition and teams and fancy banners, ofc 01:52:14 it'd be nice if they were all part of the same UI 01:52:18 but that's a big project 01:52:30 lil bit 01:55:47 -!- IceBlind has quit [] 01:56:22 Definitely rename achievements 01:57:41 clearly, "cheevos" 01:58:13 !! 01:58:21 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:58:27 Which is also a snack arriving soon to stores nation wide by crawl's new corporate sponser, Lay's 01:58:50 *sponsor 01:58:51 pewdie points 01:59:01 gotta get my cheevos 02:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:07 replace "tournament points" with gamerscore 02:00:45 you're just reading the git commit log and saying what I just did! 02:01:09 anyway the site looks cool! 02:01:15 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:27 thanks PleasingFungus ! We hope to launch soon 02:04:13 -!- shnurlf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:07:23 wait wait wait 02:07:27 why aren't you calling them 02:07:28 Zot Points 02:07:43 !!! 02:08:16 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:13:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:14:02 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:17:21 woah 02:19:49 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:19:51 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Client Quit] 02:19:53 -!- BadBadger has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:25:07 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:25:19 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:25:46 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:03 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:27:34 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:28:05 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:17 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:32:33 -!- Athaboros has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:34:24 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:36:11 -!- Porost_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:40:47 chequers: if you -want-, there's the newer logo i made 02:41:07 but of course it's up to you 02:41:51 ontoclasm: ok, settle this for me, but that thing that boris is carrying is a crystal ball 02:41:59 ontoclasm: and what natasha is playing with is also a crystal ball? 02:42:49 yes 02:43:16 you aren't really a wizard unless you have a sick orb to carry around 02:43:20 good, this means I won an argument, on the internet 02:43:34 but natasha is also playing with a crystal ball? I guess boris' 02:43:52 https://i.ytimg.com/vi/R4qfx3ZMSB8/maxresdefault.jpg 02:44:08 yeah, i guess she has his spare one 02:45:24 i thought boris only had one ball 02:45:41 well now he does 02:45:48 natasha stole the other one 02:46:15 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:45 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:52:34 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:57:12 -!- ekix is now known as eki 02:57:33 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04:06 ontoclasm: link? 03:05:06 tbh I'm less of a fan of the new logo, but if it's similarly impressive/imposing I'm happy to use it 03:05:16 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:05:26 it's your website, of course 03:05:54 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/logotype/logotype-light.png 03:06:06 -!- Cuedon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:06:07 is a version i made for light backgrounds 03:06:32 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:09:43 actually, I think I do like it 03:09:48 it's less imposing tho 03:10:22 if you want to try the one with shading i can find it 03:10:32 http://i.imgur.com/jMFVCOI.png 03:10:38 it might just be because it's physically smaller 03:10:51 or less standoutey colours 03:11:09 bbi1-3days 03:11:22 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1797-gc18daef (34) 03:13:05 chequers: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/logotype/logotype-dark.png 03:13:22 that's more for dark backgrounds though 03:26:55 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.2/20160407164938]] 03:39:42 looks cool to me 03:39:56 I'm not a fan of the old logo 03:39:57 too pixel-y 03:41:24 makes it look like the game is an old ascii dungeon crawler 03:44:27 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:45:10 but... 03:45:33 no butts 03:46:34 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:52:09 plz dont remove norris' butt 03:54:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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Affected by weapon modifiers, some spells, fighting skill, and some randarts. Your base melee or ranged accuracy is 15 + ((dex + (str-dex) * {str_weight} / 20) / 2) + random2(fighting) + random2(weapon or unarmed skill) + 2 if unarmed + 2 if unarmed and you *started* the game with claws. 04:50:20 "surely no one would oppose" removing that 2 if unarmed and you started the game with claws 04:56:08 isn't there some other bonus if you're unarmed and started the game with claws, like on unarmed damage 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:37 there certainly is not one to damage 05:02:55 actually it looks like the accuracy one may have already been removed 05:03:32 -!- calito has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:05:26 !learn edit accuracy[1] s/2 if unarmed and you.*/another 2 if you are unarmed and have claws. 05:05:27 accuracy[1/6]: Your ability to hit and not miss things in combat. Affected by weapon modifiers, some spells, fighting skill, and some randarts. Your base melee or ranged accuracy is 15 + ((dex + (str-dex) * {str_weight} / 20) / 2) + random2(fighting) + random2(weapon or unarmed skill) + 2 if unarmed + another 2 if you are unarmed and have claws. 05:05:30 so nevermind 05:05:39 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:15:47 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:21:23 -!- Dingbat_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:29:55 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 05:31:35 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:39:04 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:42:51 FR: remove the starting stealth skill from book backgrounds 05:43:08 other than En obviously 05:47:47 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:50:04 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:53:10 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:12 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:55:01 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:47 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest47964 06:16:13 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:16:41 -!- Guest47964 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:18:30 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:28:05 -!- Harvester_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:38:07 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1798-g441868c: De-apostrophise a description 10(5 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/441868c83990 06:39:30 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:41:43 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:42:02 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:45:44 -!- } has quit [] 06:51:55 -!- Ultraviolent4 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:56:21 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:58:42 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:59:48 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:11 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest58607 07:00:31 -!- grisha5 is now known as grisha5|away 07:02:28 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:06:01 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:10:56 -!- grisha5|away is now known as grisha5 07:11:02 -!- Guest58607 is now known as debo 07:12:05 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 07:26:47 -!- simples has joined ##crawl-dev 07:27:57 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 07:27:58 The build has errored. (master - 441868c #5313 : Chris Campbell): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/124987816 07:27:58 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 07:30:00 -!- simples has quit [Client Quit] 07:34:36 -!- rossi_ has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 07:35:52 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:35 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:40:33 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:48:38 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:56:16 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:52 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Client Quit] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:22 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:01:38 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:12:07 -!- rkd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:12:34 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest4475 08:18:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:20:16 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:45 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest13428 08:23:54 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:25:53 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 08:27:24 chequers: it might be my imagination but it seems like this new design uses waaaaay too much vertical space 08:27:46 i can fit 10 games in my screen in this, but i could fit *25* with the one on CAO 08:29:12 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:31:52 -!- Guest13428 is now known as debo 08:42:17 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:46:49 -!- Guest4475 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:48:12 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:53:48 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:55:08 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:55:10 -!- chamandro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:59:17 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:06 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:06:24 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:19:03 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 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13:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:03 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1798-g441868c (34) 13:05:57 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:04 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:15 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:57 -!- kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:12:57 -!- amalloy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:13:05 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:06 -!- amalloy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:20 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:13:24 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:13:33 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest87472 13:13:42 -!- Alcopop has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:15:17 -!- humeral has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:16:09 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:44 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:17:45 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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updated to: 0.18-a0-1960-g2eb0f2c 14:38:58 hey yall 14:39:04 hello 14:39:15 i use git pull to compile trunk on my computer 14:39:20 how do I pull a stable version? 14:39:55 i’m on some .18 trunk, i was thinking of going to .17 14:39:57 git checkout stone_soup-0.17 14:39:58 git checkout stone_soup-0.17 (or whatever version) 14:40:04 aaa 14:40:04 MarvinPA: hi... 14:40:08 ha ha ha ha 14:40:14 that's what you get for adding further useful information!!! 14:40:17 my answer was more complete! 14:40:18 haha 14:40:21 ha ha ha ha ha 14:40:50 lobf: git branch -a will list yr options 14:41:14 anyway yes do that and then compile, and you can then do git checkout master to switch back to trunk 14:41:42 oh cool thanks man 14:42:11 i’m sure i’ll be back for more specific instructions 14:42:12 heh 14:43:34 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:44 -!- shnurlf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:43:47 did y’all remove the elemental staff btw? 14:44:01 ??elemental staff 14:44:01 elemental staff[1/2]: A +3 staff (not quarterstaff) {rElec rF++ rC++ MR++ AC+5}. On melee attacks, rolls two (evocations/27) checks, and if either succeeds, it does an extra 10-24 damage that randomly checks one of rF, rC, rElec, AC. Calculate your trigger chances http://anydice.com/program/52e7 here. 14:44:18 ??elemental staff[2 14:44:18 elemental staff[2/2]: that's like the ultimate sky weapon 14:44:22 i don't think so, lobf. i saw it semi-recently 14:44:26 cool 14:45:04 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:26 yeah, confirmed it is still in 14:47:15 sky weapons... 14:47:22 no one talks about sky weapons these days. sad! 14:48:04 -!- } has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:53:20 sky's personal capital is falling! 14:55:52 !lm sky 14:55:54 30318. [2016-01-18 20:25:19] Sky the Brawler (L10 TrBe of Trog) left the Lair of Beasts on turn 7176. (Lair:1) 14:56:34 rip sky 14:56:58 so we're in feature freeze now, right? 14:57:06 ya 14:57:19 that's where devs take a vacation for 2 weeks 14:57:21 it's soothing 14:57:28 -!- yaknyasn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:58:03 I plan to buy and live on a tropical island for those two weeks 14:58:12 what are you gonna do with the island afterward? 14:58:29 has Tagging Day happened? 14:58:32 we can still accept high-priority bug fixes though, like reverting the accidental removal of mountain dwarves 14:58:46 tagging day is the end of feature freeze 14:58:57 in principle we're supposed to be bugfixing 14:59:06 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest62294 14:59:06 getting it into a 'stable' state 14:59:11 amalloy: brb figuring out how to readd mountain dwarves 14:59:24 (I assume the patch would be rejected) 14:59:26 cool. just trying to get a feel for when I need to update the server with the new 0.18 folders 14:59:57 ??mantis 14:59:57 mantis[1/2]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:04 release is tentatively scheduled for the 4th 15:00:18 though i may change it if people make too many star wars jokes 15:01:00 PleasingFungus: I plan to save the receipt and return it 15:01:09 ooo, strong play! 15:01:24 do we have a tourney fate scheduled yet? 15:01:30 It's the lynchpin of the whole endeavor 15:01:32 FATE 15:01:42 (date) 15:01:55 tournament is tentatively scheduled for may 6-15 15:02:30 ok. good to know 15:05:31 is there a wizmode command to recharge elemental evokers? 15:06:25 &mcerebov is mine usually but there might be a better way! 15:06:44 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 15:07:11 i think there was some other xp-reliant thing that was fiddly to deal with in wizmode but i forget what 15:07:59 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:08:51 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:09:31 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 15:10:39 -!- fearless has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:10:59 -!- eb_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:11:31 amalloy: is this wrt the lamp of fire crash? 15:11:36 i ran into the same problem there 15:12:01 yeah. i can't repro it either 15:12:20 dang, compiling takes a long time 15:12:53 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10360 is my fault, an accidental side-effect of: 15:12:53 %git f3709142ad128d091d16cdbc2ec189be88d862aa 15:12:53 07amalloy02 * 0.18-a0-739-gf370914: Let XE show you exclusions in unexplored terrain 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 17+ 64-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f3709142ad12 15:13:39 i don't want to just revert it, because i do like the thing i fixed, but the thing i broke is probably more important. can anyone figure out how to do both? i can't really tell *why* my change had the bad effect it did 15:14:32 just download a hadoop cluster to compile on, lobf 15:15:06 i feel like you’re making up words to confuse me 15:15:07 :P 15:15:39 like that’s what a mechanic says when he’s trying to rip you off 15:16:13 how does one download a hadoop cluster? 15:18:01 curl hadoop.cluster.me > ./cluster 15:18:03 like that 15:18:12 its web n.0 15:19:15 lobf: it's true, io am 15:19:46 it's a suggestion like uh...well of course your engine isn't working, you need a gas tank the size of an actual tank 15:19:51 listen, it’s a good thing you came in to get your brakes checked because your hadoop cluster is completely jammed so we gotta replace your head gasket 15:20:29 ebering: web n.0 is already outdated for all n, by induction 15:21:35 amalloy: oh excuse me web aleph_0 15:21:47 * amalloy <= rekt 15:26:59 re https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10345, how is cmut supposed to work when you have transient mutations? just ignore them, i would hope, and act as normal on your permanent mutations 15:27:38 but it looks like it includes transient mutations in the set of mutations it tries to cure, and then fails to actually cure them, often leading to zero of your permanent muts being cured 15:29:58 sounds like an oversight 15:30:37 pf: have you seen the trunk update review video some players made 15:31:36 oh yeah, i saw the link to that but haven't watched it 15:31:38 is it any good 15:31:42 haha 15:31:44 no 15:32:09 I can /message you a summary of what I've listened to so far 15:32:16 -!- Guest62294 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:33:41 -!- minqmay has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:16 i haven't seen it either. guessing it's mostly whining? 15:35:55 yeah, lots of complaining about the new monsters added 15:35:59 oh 15:35:59 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:36:02 i definitely want to see that, actually 15:36:03 confusion about the god changes 15:36:08 i haven't heard much of any feedback about new monsters 15:36:13 well the complaints are so far 15:36:16 "I hate miasma" 15:36:21 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:21 "shadow fiends were already strong" 15:36:38 "irresistibleparalysis is bullshit, giant eyeballs were bullshit" 15:36:50 "make crawl great again" 15:37:00 although it's not a general consensus, one of the players is pretty reasonable about paralysis 15:37:11 PleasingFungus: i assume CanOfWorms is referring to https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/4fypmf/patch_note_discussion_for_22416_with_three/ 15:37:16 yeah, that one 15:37:34 jesus christ, an hour long? 15:37:44 i don't know if you know this, but 15:37:46 people love to talk 15:37:53 god 15:37:59 I'm 15 minutes in and they're arguing about paralysis 15:37:59 the worst thing about the internet: 15:38:01 no editors! 15:39:22 if there's one thing the internet has a lot of, it's volunteer editors 15:39:43 If* Internet* 15:39:43 minqmay: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:39:46 !messages 15:39:47 (1/1) Kat_ said (9h 13m 23s ago): Goodnight and Hello. 15:40:34 "iron giants are straight up broken [...] stronger than pan lords [...] straight up stronger than orbs of fire" -someone from that video 15:41:02 Maybe if they weren't so vulnerable to walking away 15:41:06 well, they're not totally wrong on that. iron giants were too strong, and have recently been nerfed 15:41:12 right? 15:41:14 @??iron giant 15:41:15 -!- Kat_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:41:21 yeah they were pretty brutal when they were introduced 15:41:34 They were never speed > 10 tho 15:42:14 iron giant (10C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 176-253 | AC/EV: 18/2 | Dam: 75 | 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown | XP: 5546 | Sp: iron shot (3d37), throw [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 15:42:14 %??iron giant 15:42:18 amalloy, edited your command for you 15:42:24 rip gretell 15:42:27 rip. 15:42:29 what is the deal with gretell/chei? 15:42:42 was gretell permanently retired and chei upgraded? 15:43:09 "make orbs of fire 10 speed, put them in D:15" 15:43:18 CanOfWorms: sold! 15:43:51 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:43:54 "every enemy in depths has the ability to kill you, and that's fucking stupid" 15:44:11 CanOfWorms: man, I feel basically the opposite. 15:44:40 okay this is a pretty good line: "just have an iron giant wearing an acid blob hat, with caustic shrike wings and eyeballs coming out of it" 15:44:44 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-1799-g6250cb2: Make cmut ignore temp muts, instead of curing nothing (Undo) 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6250cb245407 15:46:25 gretell was only providing monster info because the machine chei was running on had an outdated toolchain that couldn't build the monster db lookup and was not sanely upgradeable. presumably the latter has been fixed, at least to the point that chei can now run a modern monster db 15:46:36 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.18-a0-1640-g8b6524e 15:46:36 %??-version 15:47:37 doesn't mean it's updated regularly though :/ I think gretell had that automated. 15:47:50 still, 1640 is way more recent than expected 15:48:06 given the original mess 15:48:56 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.18-a0-1640-g8b6524e 15:48:56 %??-version 15:49:00 %git 15:49:01 07amalloy02 * 0.18-a0-1799-g6250cb2: Make cmut ignore temp muts, instead of curing nothing (Undo) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6250cb245407 15:49:04 hm 15:49:17 oh, i see i'm way behind youse guyses 15:49:33 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:50:45 fwiw, gammafunk was saying that he'd prefer to restore iron giants to speed 10 and nerf them in some other way, mainly because, though iron shot is ranged, it's pretty limited in range (& thus invites some kiting); that sounds reasonable to me 15:51:01 so anyone who has a good suggestion for what stats iron giants *should* have, go for it 15:51:14 iron giant (10C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 176-253 | AC/EV: 18/2 | Dam: 75 | 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown | XP: 5546 | Sp: iron shot (3d37), throw [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 15:51:14 %??iron giant 15:52:02 hmm 15:52:17 what's the highest AC a non-unique monster has? 15:52:36 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:38 non-unique, huh? 15:52:43 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:47 not sure 15:52:51 pan lords? 15:53:15 treat generic pan lords as unique for this exercise 15:53:21 Orb Guardian (06X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 71-96 | AC/EV: 13/13 | Dam: 45 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 2770 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 15:53:21 %??orb guardian 15:53:35 I know oofs/emp scorps have 20 AC 15:53:44 @??curse skull 15:53:52 curse skull (13z) | Spd: 15 | HD: 13 | HP: 45-59 | AC/EV: 35/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1581 | Sp: sum.undead [06!sil], s.torment [06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: human. 15:53:52 %??curse skull 15:54:04 probably them 15:54:10 since dis doesn't have much more ac 15:54:24 man, hellfire probably wrecks curse skulls, huh 15:55:16 hmm, maybe make iron giant more like curse skulls? higher AC/lower HP 15:55:33 plausible 15:55:35 not 35 ac obviously 15:56:00 note that the goal is to weaken them overall 15:59:09 unknown monster: "iron giant spell:stone array" 15:59:09 %??iron giant spell:stone array 15:59:10 er 15:59:12