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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:57:09 !tell wheals there's another action bug shown here -- two entries for 'robe': http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/Ebgish/morgue-Ebgish-20160414-183851.txt 03:57:10 chequers: OK, I'll let wheals know. 03:57:36 !tell wheals (in armour section. And same bug for block/shield) 03:57:36 chequers: OK, I'll let wheals know. 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:12:15 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:13:18 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:17:35 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:20:30 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:22:45 -!- eb has quit [] 04:28:40 -!- Grivan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:29:59 -!- FreekillB has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:35:32 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:36:19 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 04:36:37 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:38:54 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 04:48:09 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:50:43 -!- Idolo has quit [] 04:52:51 -!- mibert has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:53:52 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:54:55 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:03:41 chequers: playing my second ash game since the aa thing, and i still like it 05:14:57 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 05:31:54 :) 05:32:25 i was thinking about how to made the conduct stricter, actually 05:33:44 specifically, reducing your piety to the base level that gives any skill boosts whenever you uncurse 05:39:01 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:41:52 is that really necessary? i'm done with lair and orc, haven't uncursed anything all game, and i still own 0 ?rc 05:42:56 perhaps not 05:43:11 i'm just concerned about late/extended really 05:43:17 when ?rc/?ident is in abundance 05:44:45 the design of ash means once you get ahead of the ?rc shortage you lose a big part of the conduct (you still have 2.5aut melee weapon swapping, but the resource cost gets insignificant) 05:47:44 !log . ash 05:47:45 15. yollama, XL18 CeTm, T:39225: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/yollama/morgue-yollama-20160327-145607.txt 05:48:12 !log . ash -2 05:48:13 14/15. amalloy, XL20 DsNe, T:54233: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/amalloy/morgue-amalloy-20160229-083525.txt 05:50:52 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:51:04 chequers: maybe rethink the conduct 05:53:30 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:59:54 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest97330 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:20 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:07:15 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:07:17 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:10:43 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:15:56 -!- Rocannon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:17:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:17:14 -!- heteroy_ is now known as heteroy 06:25:08 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:25:31 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:30:01 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:44:33 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:54:26 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:56:00 -!- Guest97330 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:57:39 -!- Alarkh_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:58:01 -!- } has quit [] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:12:29 -!- StarButterfly has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:12:49 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:13:43 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:17:09 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:37 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1779-gceebfd7: Update lugonu_bribe 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ceebfd7aa3ca 07:21:42 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:30:39 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 07:31:03 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:32:15 -!- wmbt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:34:09 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:38:36 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:09 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:53:51 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:56:47 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:04:02 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 08:14:02 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:32:52 -!- advil has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:55 MarvinPA: can I ask about your comment on my PR? 08:35:32 really what I was trying to fix was an interface weirdness: if you have rF+++ or rElec on equipment, the qazlal status indicator makes it look like he's doing something, when he's not 08:35:44 so my thought was to just not make him not actually do anything 08:36:03 I agree that in some circumstances that'll mean less switching between resists 08:36:26 (also, I think that patch does something silly and unintended when you're at max resists via qazlal already, I just missed that) 08:37:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:38:30 (this observation brought to you by the ring "Ninigups" {*Contam rF+++ rC++ rN+ Dex-5}) 08:39:32 I guess the current adaptation behavior could be triggered by just shutting off any existing adaptation if you get a resist that is maxed out? 08:45:13 that would be easy to do...that would leave the current behavior exactly as it is, but fix the interface issue 08:48:43 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:57:54 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03:05 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:11:21 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/254 * 0.18-a0-1733-g471c7c5: Shut off old adaptation when new one wouldn't trigger 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/471c7c556641 09:19:39 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:32 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:33:57 -!- FiftyNine has quit [] 09:42:39 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 09:43:17 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:44:07 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:44:50 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:53:09 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:58:03 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:01 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:02:21 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:08:13 -!- sooheon has quit [Client Quit] 10:11:52 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:12:10 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:29 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:01 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:18:07 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 10:18:39 -!- eb has quit [Client Quit] 10:19:49 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:36:25 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:29 advil: i see what you mean now but i'm not sure the interface there is necessarily a problem, since % still accurately reflects your actual resist levels either way 10:38:29 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 10:39:59 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:41:47 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:43:03 MarvinPA: that's true. It's also true that you figure it out pretty quickly after experiencing it, so it is a small thing. 10:43:37 but I do think the status indicators are confusing at first, having experienced this for the first time (that I remember) 10:43:47 it'll also come up a lot more now that adaptation to spells is working again 10:49:07 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:45 -!- JChrist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:58:19 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:39 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:06:36 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:07:27 -!- Angmar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:15:03 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:24:35 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:34:04 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:42 hmm, the desc for ballistos claims that fedhas has suppressed their ability to generate new giant spores (to protect you from explosions) 11:46:37 but that is in fact not at all true 11:48:04 also when a friendly spore explodes, it creates neutral ballistos, but when it just creates them randomly while moving they're still friendly 11:48:37 and i have no idea out of any of this what is intentional and what isn't 11:49:02 -!- _sk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:49:37 -!- kryft has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:50:38 hmm i guess there's a commit that changed the explosion ballistos to neutral to prevent runaway piety loss? so maybe the randomly spawned ones should be neutral too 11:51:31 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:53:12 -!- nikheizen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:53:26 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:42 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:58:08 -!- punpun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:59:34 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:48 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:19:10 -!- Alarkh_ has left ##crawl-dev 12:29:19 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:39:35 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1780-g189a03f: Spawn ballistos from Fedhas spore trails as neutral 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/189a03f8ae42 12:42:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:47 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:55 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:57:46 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:23 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:00:27 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:06:39 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:11:33 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:43 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1780-g189a03f (34) 13:22:56 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:59 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:32:48 -!- } has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:00 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:01 The build has errored. (master - 189a03f #5295 : Chris Campbell): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/123579915 13:37:01 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 13:52:42 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:53:39 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:42 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:07:32 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:09:51 Potsanchik (L4 FeCK) ASSERT(you.wizard) in 'xom.cc' at line 3284 failed. (D:3) 14:15:26 heh that seems like a bad assertion to fail 14:15:54 -!- flappity_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:03 -!- Nyvrem has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:18 though it completely makes sense for Fe, it is wrapped in if (_player_is_dead()) 14:22:10 !source xom.cc:3284 14:22:10 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/xom.cc#l3284 14:36:01 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:41:42 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:33 amalloy_: fwiw, that assertion predates my xom rewrite 14:43:58 but hrm 14:44:02 should still be fixed 14:47:48 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:12 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest60586 14:48:14 -!- mibert has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:48:42 -!- Guest60586 has quit [Client Quit] 14:48:43 -!- j is now known as mibert 14:52:54 -!- xaibudo has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:21 !lg * current trunk s=ikiller 14:53:23 oops 14:53:26 !lg * current trunk s=ikiller depths 14:53:27 348559 games for * (current trunk): 53189x, 19400x a gnoll, 16348x an adder, 14494x an orc priest, 11840x a hobgoblin, 10278x a kobold, 10072x an ogre, 9862x a jackal, 9169x an orc wizard, 7954x an orc warrior, 6853x Sigmund, 6820x an orc, 6577x a worm, 5504x Natasha, 5483x a giant gecko, 5457x a goblin, 5394x a centaur, 4260x Grinder, 3845x Robin, 3527x a killer bee, 3522x a worker ant, 2662x Cra... 14:53:32 1397 games for * (current trunk depths): 93x an iron giant, 88x a spark wasp, 84x a stone giant, 57x a frost giant, 47x a caustic shrike, 46x, 46x an ettin, 46x a fire giant, 40x a spriggan berserker, 35x a deep troll earth mage, 33x a spriggan air mage, 33x a juggernaut, 32x a yaktaur captain, 31x a lich, 30x an ice dragon, 29x a deep troll, 29x a vampire knight, 28x the Enchantress, 27x a titan,... 14:54:25 !lg * current trunk s=killer depths 14:54:29 1397 games for * (current trunk depths): 96x a stone giant, 91x a spark wasp, 90x an iron giant, 62x a frost giant, 50x a fire giant, 49x a caustic shrike, 49x an ettin, 46x, 46x a spriggan air mage, 36x a deep troll earth mage, 34x a juggernaut, 32x a deep troll, 31x an ice dragon, 31x a spriggan berserker, 30x a titan, 29x a tengu reaver, 29x a spriggan defender, 29x a vampire knight, 27x a yakt... 14:55:31 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1781-g663d63a: Slow Iron Giants down a bit 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/663d63a8bd38 14:56:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:54 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:05:09 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:06:27 -!- Franz__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:07:00 -!- Blunderbuss has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:12:41 -!- Doll has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:53 -!- Nyvrem has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:14:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:26:32 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 15:29:58 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:30:55 "Most of the time an extra point of AC isn't used, because you aren't fighting, or you dodged the attack, or you rolled much higher than damage, or the attack ignores AC entirely. Rough estimate, I would value the first Regen item (40 regen) at more like 4-5 AC. 15:31:27 ? 15:31:28 does anyone here have any idea what line of thinking could lead to this, because I've been trying to figure it out and can't 15:31:45 sounds bizarre to me 15:32:00 maybe if you're, like, a gargoyle.........? 15:32:06 wrt ac rolling "much higher than damage" 15:32:09 but probably not even then 15:32:50 apparently, if you use AC to reduce damage to 0, that counts as not using AC 15:33:29 well, the argument is that if your ac "rolls 14" on a 12-damage attack, then the last few points of ac are redundant 15:33:51 but i guess you're both rolling higher than the damage taken and also you're damaged all the time 15:33:55 since otherwise regen would be useless 15:34:14 honestly, my best guess is that it's the standard confusion: people thinking way more things ignore ac than they do. 15:34:16 ask them if they think fireball ignores ac. 15:35:41 there was at least one centuryplayer who thought fireball ignored ac 15:35:57 most unspoiled players seem to think that spells in general ignore AC 15:36:04 yeah 15:36:08 or all "elemental" attacks ignore AC 15:36:10 yeah 15:36:11 yes 15:36:20 coming from other games it's easy to assume that 15:36:21 i had a branch that tried to fix that confusion, but the code was insanely bad and unmaintainable 15:36:23 maybe it's because GDR is confusing them!!!!!!!!!!! 15:36:26 lol 15:36:35 if they know about gdr, it's because they read the wiki 15:36:44 and in that case they're beyond helping. 15:36:48 gdr doesn't have anything to do with that 15:36:52 i've actually seen people thinking that like, crossbow bolts ignore AC 15:37:03 and AC only affects melee 15:43:40 perhaps a good thing to add to the tutorial? 15:43:41 minmay: I think it's trying to think of AC in terms of how much HP it has saved you on a given turn 15:44:00 these people should roll around with 60+ AC at some point and take note of how much less time they have to worry about their current hp 15:44:22 gammafunk: yes I get that, but how do you warp that into "0.4 HP per turn is roughly as good as 4-5 AC" 15:44:51 gammafunk: and especially how do you warp that into "if your AC reduces damage to 0, it means you didn't use your AC" 15:44:52 minmay: they're trying to do that because that 0.4 hp per turn is unconditional 15:45:11 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:17 except, y'know, the condition where you didn't take any damage to begin with 15:45:44 well if you don't have max hp, regen is giving hp when you didn't take any damage to begin with 15:45:55 well ok 15:46:08 "the condition where you're at max hp 15:46:09 " 15:46:17 and they're talkig about "one point" of AC, I think that's where the statement about "rolled much higher than max damage" comes from 15:46:31 except they go on to talk about 4-5 points of ac 15:46:32 what PF said basically 15:46:38 it's just a confusing thing 15:46:49 yeah, perhaps they're just being very inconsistent 15:47:02 back when they were both rings, i would value a regen ring over a +1 AC ring in most cases 15:47:09 but not over a +3 15:47:36 although it would all be dependent on what my AC was to begin with anyway 15:47:48 rip regen ring 15:48:10 I never use regen items now as an act of protest against the removal of regen rings 15:48:27 oh yeah, i'd been planning to quit crawl over that actually 15:48:30 i just didn't get around to it 15:50:45 quit quitting crawl 15:51:57 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 15:52:16 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:52:30 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:31 The build passed. (master - 663d63a #5296 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/123600647 15:52:32 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:53:29 PleasingFungus: it seems perfectly reasonable to me to assume no one would ever play fe + xom, especially now that comborobin is done :) 15:53:55 !lg * recent fe xom 15:53:56 fe is ambiguous: may be species or class. Use fe-- (Felid) or --fe (Fire Elementalist) to disambiguate 15:54:01 feh! 15:54:03 !lg * recent fe-- xom 15:54:04 1494. Potsanchik the Scratcher (L6 FeCK of Xom), slain by an ogre (a +0 giant club) on D:4 on 2016-04-16 18:13:02, with 480 points after 6367 turns and 0:06:48. 15:54:14 !lg comborobin won 15:54:15 651. comborobin the Slayer (L26 HODK of Yredelemnul), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-04-16 01:57:20, with 1504499 points after 83381 turns and 2:40:56. 15:55:05 !lg * recent fe-- xom month 15:55:06 219. Potsanchik the Scratcher (L6 FeCK of Xom), slain by an ogre (a +0 giant club) on D:4 on 2016-04-16 18:13:02, with 480 points after 6367 turns and 0:06:48. 15:55:16 roughtly 219 people 15:58:53 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest91964 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:34 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:21 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:03:00 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:06:29 -!- AndChat138129 has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:07:07 -!- inre has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:12:38 -!- Nyvrem has quit [Client Quit] 16:15:54 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.2/20160407164938]] 16:19:04 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:23:25 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:44 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30:08 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:31:12 <}> in zap-data.h is player_damage how much damage the player does with the spell, or how much enemies do to the player with the spell 16:39:20 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:47 }: former, it's for player-casted spells 16:40:29 <}> thanks! 16:42:43 }: actually, it might be used by both 16:43:03 I'm not sure if this changed recently 16:43:30 }: ah, yes it is used by both 16:43:36 dam_deducer* player_damage; 16:43:36 tohit_deducer* player_tohit; // Enchantments have power modifier here 16:43:39 dam_deducer* monster_damage; 16:43:41 <}> if its used by both, why is there monster_damage? 16:43:42 tohit_deducer* monster_tohit; // Enchantments have power modifier here 16:43:48 that's in zap-data.h 16:43:51 <}> yes 16:44:11 first two are used when the player is casting, second two when the monster is casting 16:44:22 <}> alright, thats what I was asking about :-) should have been clearer 16:44:42 well, don't worry, I gave the wrong answer 16:44:46 initially, anyhow 16:45:06 I want to say this was changed, and they used to all be encoded in mon-cast.cc 16:45:13 <}> and the dicedef template if I got right, calcualted (firstparam)d(secondparam+power*(thirdparam/fourthparam)) 16:45:23 <}> calculates* 16:47:00 -!- _sk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50:34 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:41 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:52:53 -!- }_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:07 -!- } has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:53:10 -!- }_ is now known as } 16:55:00 -!- Guest91964 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:57:48 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:49 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:59 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 17:03:05 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:14:36 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:21 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest89247 17:18:10 -!- Jamo_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:20:22 -!- MadCoyote is now known as FunkyBomb 17:23:27 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:27:25 -!- CcS has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:28:23 -!- mibert has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:29:00 -!- } has quit [] 17:29:27 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:32:01 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:54 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:34:27 -!- kuniqs has quit [Client Quit] 17:35:55 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:37:48 -!- punpun has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:45:00 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:51:45 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:53:05 why on the m screen do we have to press _ to see un-unmodified stats, instead of -? can i add - as a synonym key, or is it used for something else rare? 17:56:35 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:49 thanks for RUINING IRON GIANTS 17:57:29 gammafunk how would you like to remove 3 lines 17:57:36 which three 17:57:45 if (rr > 20) 17:57:45 rr = 20 + ((rr - 20) / 2); 17:57:45 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:50 17:58:19 it comes with the bonus of removing some characters from the learndb 17:58:21 ??regen[2 17:58:21 regeneration[2/8]: The base regeneration rate is your maximum hitpoints / 3. If this number is over 20, then divide the result by two and add ten. For example, 100 max health results in a regen rate of 26. RR accumulates every turn and for every 100 RR you gain, you regenerate 1 hp. For 1 hp per turn, 540 health is needed. For 1 hp per 2 turns, 240. 17:58:35 on the other hand bloax would probably like it so that's a disadvantage i guess 17:59:33 i'm sure that exact proposal was made by bloax a billion times yes (and rejected) 17:59:45 down to the "how would you like to remove 3 lines" wording 18:00:34 -!- MgDark__ has quit [Client Quit] 18:00:51 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:23 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 18:02:31 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:04:04 -!- MgDark_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:04:14 -!- svendre_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:08:49 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1781-g663d63a (34) 18:09:43 what about rr = xl * 2 18:10:43 making xl1 characters regenerat 1 hp per 50 turns sounds a little extreme to me 18:11:01 and other xls wouldnt be much better 18:11:12 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:11:37 but hey, i'm not a dev, i just roleplay one in irc 18:11:48 the indirect mummy buff tho 18:11:51 say what?! https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc#L5578 18:12:44 what's wrong with that, friendfixit? 18:12:59 do we... distrust the player? do we hate them? 18:13:09 we don't want optimal play to be boring and tedious 18:13:43 if it were possible to exactly count your piety by getting out a pen and paper every time you take an action, some players would feel obliged to *do* that 18:14:02 which players 18:15:28 friendfixit: See https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Invoke#Optimal_invocation_schedule as an example of counting gone wrong. 18:16:22 I think I can calculate out 200 piety worth of sacrifices right now, and if those sacs don't work I can just reject until it offers me a nice little clumsy/weak/dopey to make up the tiny fuzzing difference 18:16:33 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 18:17:16 i don't think you want 200 piety worth of sacs :P 18:17:39 fine fine, 160 or whatever ru's special cap is. :P 18:18:30 sadly it is possible to exactly count your piety in many situations 18:19:34 nikheizen: ...the only reason that page exists is that the invocation delay is randomized, if it weren't randomized then the page could be 3 words, "every x turns" 18:19:51 nikheizen: that page is kind of exactly the opposite of the example you want to prove your point 18:20:10 tbh i just link it every excuse i get because its hilarious 18:20:42 i prefer linking the old version of the polearms page where it stops midway so the author can jerk himself off about katanas 18:21:52 https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Polearm&oldid=101214#Glaive 18:22:03 However, a naginata was actually a Japanese polearm which used (the equivalent of) a top-quality samurai sword at the end of the pole, and the weapon was backed up by a long-developed and rigorous martial art, and when combined with this expertise it was a formidable weapon. 18:22:55 pretty sure the pointy end goes in the other man 18:23:22 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:23:27 if you are a samurai sometimes it goes in the same man! 18:25:45 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:29:16 -!- Guest89247 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:16 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:42:01 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:16 -!- MIC132 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:22 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:02 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53:58 -!- n1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:24 -!- n1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:24 -!- n1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:21 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:21 !seen Grunt 19:02:21 I last saw Grunt at Fri Mar 25 18:44:03 2016 UTC (3w 1d 4h 18m 18s ago) parting ##crawl-sequell, saying 'chanpart'. 19:03:02 !tell Grunt My 50th win involved orb ninja wearing the boots of the assassin but I happened to make a lot of noise... 19:03:02 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 19:03:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 19:08:06 you should tell him about my dream about duvessa 19:09:33 but what if that inspires him to come back and make a bunch of commits you don't like? 19:14:58 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:23:06 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: nachtli] 19:26:28 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:19 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:33 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest95613 19:34:54 -!- Guest95613 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:35:52 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:49:59 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:05 fr: give dowan a speech line referring to duvessa as "Duvy" 20:00:18 because three people have done that to me on tavern so far 20:05:20 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:46 Have you ever cosplayed as duvessa? 20:10:54 no 20:10:56 not sure which crawl character I would cosplay as 20:11:15 i do have a friend with some really nice prosthetic elf ears, i could ask her if i could borrow them 20:11:29 cosplay murray 20:11:51 realistically the first character i would cosplay is iji 20:15:38 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:16:54 gammafunk would be sif 20:17:06 see I can't change genders in my cosplay 20:17:20 said nobody ever 20:17:21 I would thinking I could make a good grinder 20:17:42 lot of dark eyeshadow, a bandana, a fake cleaver 20:18:33 !lg amalloy ikiller=uniq recent s=ikiller 20:18:34 26 games for amalloy (ikiller=uniq recent): 5x Natasha, 3x Ijyb, 2x Blork the orc, 2x Duvessa, 2x Prince Ribbit, 2x Sigmund, Grum, Jessica, Robin, Fannar, Eustachio, Asterion, Crazy Yiuf, Xom, Polyphemus, Nessos 20:18:52 !lg . !gfspeed ikiller=uniq recent s=ikiller 20:18:53 5 games for gammafunk (!gfspeed ikiller=uniq recent): 3x Grinder, Josephine, Erica 20:19:39 i'm surprised natasha is so high 20:19:43 i guess she's hard to run from 20:20:02 see I can't change genders in my cosplay 20:20:03 why not 20:20:25 look some people aren't into that! 20:20:27 actually, this reminds me of a story 20:21:06 so until i was like 15 i apparently looked a lot like a girl 20:21:26 and i also had an extremely low voice for my age 20:22:16 and when i met someone new who was around my age, usually they'd look really surprised to meet me for some reason 20:22:54 what i eventually discovered is that, for a couple years, my friends had secretly been telling people i was a lesbian woman before introducing me to them 20:23:15 wait this is -dev isn't it, oops 20:23:45 so, how 'bout making cyclopes speed 10 20:24:30 @??cyclops 20:24:30 cyclops (08C) | Spd: 7 | HD: 9 | HP: 39-58 | AC/EV: 5/3 | Dam: 35 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 530 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 20:24:33 deng 20:25:40 or alternatively, 8, like iron giants are now 20:26:43 give cyclops the ability to throw 20:26:55 or at least give poly the ability to throw the player 20:29:52 they already throw, it's like all they do 20:30:10 by throwing, I meant the player 20:30:12 they just throw rocks instead of gross, filthy humans/orcs/octopi 20:31:50 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:32:35 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46:19 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:48:09 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:54:14 ??stepdown 20:54:14 stepdown[1/2]: Like a logarithm with extra pain. A piecewise linear mapping from input to output, where the slope of the steps decreases by half, and most but not all steps are evenly spaced. Crawl uses it all over the place. Extra pain removed in 0.11. 20:54:32 ??stepdown[2 20:54:32 stepdown[2/2]: At least it's not NetHack's rnz(). 20:57:35 minmay: iron giants are spd 10 20:58:34 not any more 20:58:44 %git :/iron giant 20:58:44 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1554-g49b38aa: Remove iron giant corpses 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/49b38aa28db8 20:58:46 er 20:58:50 %git :/Iron giant 20:58:50 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-135-g7ffad03: Remove octopode crushers; semi-replace in Depths with iron giants. 10(6 months ago, 10 files, 21+ 56-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7ffad0302c0c 20:58:54 %git :/Iron Giant 20:58:54 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1781-g663d63a: Slow Iron Giants down a bit 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/663d63a8bd38 20:58:59 dang case 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:45 -!- whitephoenix has joined ##crawl-dev 21:01:54 -!- whitephoenix has quit [Client Quit] 21:02:47 good 21:03:59 yeah they were kind of ridiculous 21:04:12 considering how they were nearly killing me in melee on a character with 3 digit AC 21:04:29 well I'd prefer them to be normal speed with reduced offenses/defenses 21:04:42 !lg . diesel ac>100 log 21:04:43 1. Lightli, XL27 HOFi, T:80444: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Lightli/morgue-Lightli-20160308-012714.txt 21:05:49 their iron shot doesn't have very good range, and probably weird things will happen for a band of normal speed monsters with a slow band leader 21:05:54 @??polyphemus 21:05:54 Polyphemus (03C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 127-180 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 45, 30 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(60), 12drown | XP: 2305 | Sp: throw ally [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 21:08:53 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:15:01 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:15:57 -!- whitephoenix has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:10 -!- whitephoenix is now known as whitephoenix2 21:18:50 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:26:02 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:26:45 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:23 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:43:04 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:45:47 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: o7] 21:48:18 -!- nimitz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:58:01 -!- tw__ has quit [Client Quit] 21:58:20 -!- tw__ has quit [Client Quit] 21:59:19 . . . were we using the 100 power cap on ZAP_BANISHMENT to limit monster spell power? Was that desireable? 21:59:20 -!- parabolic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:44 chequers: i suspect the bug has to do with unrands 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:22 !source art-data.txt 22:00:22 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/art-data.txt 22:02:07 hm, he did use an unrand shield but not an unrand robe 22:02:15 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:02:25 or maybe they just dropped their unrand robe somewhere so it isn't in the lst 22:03:06 wait, some of the food is duplicated too :/ 22:03:17 and evocations?? 22:04:04 looks like they transferred a game from an older version 22:04:15 so... i think it might just be weirdness from that 22:04:19 for my personal fiddling, if I wanted to give chaos knights a random book, would it look like this? if (job == JOB_CHAOS_KNIGHT) { _give_wanderer_minor_book(skill); } 22:04:33 and put that in jobs.cc I think 22:04:51 friendfixit: you'd need to make _give_wanderer_minor_book accessible from job.cc 22:05:06 You'd also need to define skill 22:05:16 so #include "wanderer.cc" ? 22:05:36 sorry, ng-wanderer 22:05:58 You'd need to make the function no longer static and list it in ng-wanderer.h 22:05:58 chequers: if you run into an issue with a game not transferred from before 0.18-a0-1746-gfa59832 please show it to me, but i think this is due to a save compat hiccup 22:06:18 %git 48885bca65be0117cb7c759dba5824e27105bad3 22:06:18 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1766-g48885bc: Don't claim to evoke hammers (WorldFamousW) 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/48885bca65be 22:06:46 chequers: to clarify, the game should probably start after 0.18-a0-1766-g48885bc, which is when the code got into its current state 22:06:55 and then you'd include ng-wanderer.h 22:07:35 ok, I think I can do almost all that, thanks for the advice! do you mind explaining what "no longer static" means? 22:07:56 nw if it's a heavy topic 22:08:40 friendfixit: static means it's local to that source file, it should have a "static" keyword and begin with an underscore 22:09:27 friendfixit: you'll need to move its declaration to wanderer.h out of wanderer.cc 22:09:32 and rename the function 22:10:16 the leading underscore is just a naming convention for static data/functions, the actual change happens by removing "static" and moving the declaration into a header 22:10:29 oh, the static void thing. yeah I haven't (yet) had to figure out why those words precede so many things :D sounds like it's time to look those c++ terms up 22:11:06 yeah, static can have some different implications, but for this it basically means "only defined and used from the same source file" 22:11:37 ok cool 22:12:17 friendfixit: "void" is the data type that the function returns 22:12:35 move the function to .h , #include some thinds, call it from jobs.cc , and either set (skill) to something of my choice, or make that function available too 22:12:41 so if it returned true/false, it'd be "bool" 22:13:38 got it. off we go, then. thanks all! 22:13:40 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:17:37 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:18:00 Lasty: monster casting only started going through zaps a short time ago, so the power cap affecting monsters' banishment is certainly unintentional 22:18:19 i don't really get zap power caps... 22:18:52 PleasingFungus: ah, interseting 22:18:55 *interesting 22:19:16 i wonder what monsters that affects 22:19:31 hrm 22:19:40 Every monster w/ banish and > 8 HD 22:19:52 (assuming I raise the cap of Banish past 100) 22:20:04 @??ogre mage 22:20:04 ogre mage (06O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 46-66 | AC/EV: 3/7 | Dam: 12 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, unholy, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 930 | Sp: haste other, crystal spear (3d28), blink, b.fire (3d18), b.cold (3d18), minor healing (2d5) [04emergency] / haste other, mystic blast (3d15), invisibility, confuse, slow / haste other, paralyse, haste, b.lightning (3d17), confus.. 22:20:10 well 22:20:16 I don't know what limited monster zap power previously 22:20:40 oh, i did handle this 22:20:46 good 22:21:00 it doesn't affect monsters at all 22:21:01 or shouldn't 22:21:21 oh, okay 22:21:25 !source beam.cc:452 22:21:26 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc#l452 22:21:29 this is where it's used 22:21:48 so I don't need to put a special case in mons_power_for_hd next to the pain one? :D 22:21:55 pain... 22:21:58 pain is so goofy 22:22:00 yeah 22:22:14 so do monsters not have power cpas? 22:22:18 200 power 22:22:21 ah 22:22:26 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:22:36 @??ancient lich 22:22:36 ancient lich (00L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 87-125 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 2013(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 8240 | Sp: b.cold (3d37), force lance (3d27), sum.greater demon, slow, invisibility / b.corrosive (3d28), crystal spear.. 22:22:41 @?? luch 22:22:41 unknown monster: "luch" 22:22:44 @?? lich 22:22:44 lich (15L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 65-94 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2965 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), force lance (3d22), sum.greater demon, slow, invisibility / b.corrosive (3d23), crystal spear (3d40), petrify, haste / b.d.. 22:22:54 So a lich or ancient lich casting a hex uses power 200 22:23:08 @??antique lich 22:23:08 antique lich (07L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 90-129 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 2013(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing, 07vault | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 8064 | Sp: b.cold (3d37), force lance (3d27), sum.greater demon, slow, invisibility / b.corrosive (3d28), cr.. 22:23:46 Lasty: i think it varies by hex 22:23:56 and also note that ench power for most monster hexes is divided by 3 22:24:16 that is, ench power is spellpower / 3. often. 22:24:19 whoa, where? 22:24:25 _mons_power_hd_factor handles some of that 22:24:32 it's badcode, sadly 22:24:34 zap-data.h 22:24:38 :-\ 22:24:52 check out e.g. ZAP_SLOW 22:24:55 see if you can spot the division by 3 22:25:18 . . . please tell me it's not the last param in tohit_calculator 22:25:23 -!- xaibudo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:25 well, last two 22:25:26 :) 22:25:40 huh, i didn't remember player slow multiplied power by 50% 22:26:01 oh, so that's what it's doing 22:26:04 heh 22:26:15 player_tohit / monster_tohit 22:26:19 yeah, ench power is stored in the to-hit field in... many places 22:26:28 zaps, beams 22:26:28 fun 22:26:28 well yeah 22:26:29 Quite Something 22:26:32 I knew that from Agony 22:26:45 agony gets a huge power boost 22:27:06 very faintly reminds me of 22:27:10 !lg nrook max=dam x=dam 22:27:11 217. [dam=1500] nrook the Hacker (L19 MDAr of Nemelex Xobeh), killed by nerve-wracking pain on D:18 on 2009-08-08 20:04:41, with 215226 points after 89125 turns and 10:57:14. 22:27:25 hahaha 22:27:31 that's what he gets for hacking, anyway. 22:27:37 !lg * max=dam x=dam 22:27:41 5479993. [dam=2652] b0rsuk the Sensei (L23 NaTm), annihilated by randart's ghost on Elf:2 on 2009-05-03 17:50:51, with 331353 points after 85691 turns and 8:26:51. 22:27:45 ... 22:27:48 solid 22:27:52 !lg * max=dam x=dam x=kaux 22:27:55 5479993. [kaux=;dam=2652] b0rsuk the Sensei (L23 NaTm), annihilated by randart's ghost on Elf:2 on 2009-05-03 17:50:51, with 331353 points after 85691 turns and 8:26:51. 22:28:05 i'm trying to remember what that bug was 22:28:05 !lg * max=dam x=dam -log 22:28:09 5479993. b0rsuk, XL23 NaTm, T:85691: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/b0rsuk/morgue-b0rsuk-20090503-175051.txt 22:28:10 ghost saving bug, anyway 22:28:20 or ghost loading, possibly 22:28:26 The **** hits you! 22:28:41 yep 22:28:43 that's what i remembered 22:28:49 good ol DEBUGGING RAY 22:28:52 haha 22:29:05 i wonder if any current devs actually use DEBUGGING RAY 22:29:09 I can't say i've ever thought to 22:29:13 I've never tried 22:29:25 huh, it works 22:29:42 i 22:29:44 wonder 22:29:46 You debug the lich! 22:30:17 hrm 22:30:22 can't give it to monsters 22:30:29 wanted to test if the warlock's mirror would reflect it 22:35:28 03Lasty02 07* 0.18-a0-1782-gb76a692: Remove power cap on Lugonu Banish 10(40 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b76a692ab734 22:35:53 !learn del lasty_to_do[1 22:35:53 Deleted lasty to do[1/11]: I'm not sure how we'd fix that for Banishment, but if we don't fix it, I think it might be worth updating Banishment to have some sort of power level indicator. Perhaps like the hostility meter on Makhleb's summons 22:36:26 Lasty: you may be the second person to touch the new ability failure code 22:36:27 after me 22:36:43 yeah, looks like it! 22:36:58 woo! 22:37:01 I'm #2! 22:37:05 ew 22:37:15 how readable did you find it? 22:37:15 You heard it here first! 22:37:45 PleasingFungus: pretty readable. I had to double-check the struct but was pretty sure what it was right away 22:39:20 it feels pretty silly having one field in that struct be a multiplier, and another be a divider - for a different value 22:39:29 multiplying skill and dividing piety 22:39:51 i wrote it that way because that was the simplest way to describe existing behaviors, but it still feels silly 22:40:00 yeah 22:40:02 haha 22:40:07 I know what you mean 22:42:35 !killratio xtahua * recent 22:42:36 @??xtahua 22:42:36 Xtahua (05D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 110-153 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 35, 1709(claw), 2007(trample) | 04breaks doors, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(180), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 3781 | Sp: searing breath (3d38) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 22:42:39 @??fire dragon 22:42:39 fire dragon (04D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 73-106 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly | Res: 06magic(60), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1074 | Sp: fire breath (3d24) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 22:42:41 @??golden dragon 22:42:41 golden dragon (08D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 91-126 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 40, 2009(claw), 2007(trample) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(180), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 4175 | Sp: b.fire (3d27) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], b.cold (3d27) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], poisonous cloud (3d11) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 22:42:43 xtahua wins 0.387% of battles against * (recent). 22:42:49 always throws me off that it's not "gold dragon" 22:44:39 yeah, ditto 22:45:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:45:30 because it's gold dragon armour? :v 22:45:36 i feel like giving him searing breath and doorcrushing made him more than "a fat fire dragon", but he's maybe still kinda weak 22:45:39 tah 22:45:47 *xtah 22:46:07 CanOfWorms: iron dragon, not ironic dragon... 22:46:11 CanOfWorms: didn't someone correct that to golden dragon armour 22:46:18 ??gold dragon armour 22:46:18 gold dragon armour[1/4]: 12AC, 23ER, rF+ rC+ rPois. Can be created by enchanting a gold dragon hide. 22:46:25 ??golden dragon armour 22:46:25 gold dragon armour[1/4]: 12AC, 23ER, rF+ rC+ rPois. Can be created by enchanting a gold dragon hide. 22:46:38 it seems to be gold in game 22:46:46 well, it's "gold" in itemprop.cc 22:47:30 i guess the point is to make it clear that the dragon is not literally made of gold 22:48:34 imo "golden" sounds more like the dragon is made of gold 22:48:42 fire dragons aren't made of fire 22:48:49 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:48:53 but 22:48:54 what if they were 22:48:56 ...? 22:50:58 !help txt 22:50:58 Unknown command: !txt 22:51:11 ??sequell documentation 22:51:11 I don't have a page labeled sequell_documentation in my learndb. 22:51:21 ??help 22:51:21 help[1/5]: !help (I need somebody) !help (not just anybody) Try https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md or https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/learndb.md 22:51:24 ^ 22:51:30 oops, overcomplicated it 22:51:32 thanks 22:51:34 np 22:51:57 for a long time, that entry was just the bit before 'try' 22:52:38 ??try 22:52:39 I don't have a page labeled try in my learndb. Did you mean: tr, trj. 22:52:48 like, if someone did an invalid command, it'd link that? 22:53:30 sequell/beem is an amazing piece of work 22:54:15 no 22:54:29 i mean, help[1] read, simply: "!help (I need somebody) !help (not just anybody)" 22:54:42 ironically, perhaps somewhat unhelpful 22:55:52 ohhh 22:56:04 that part, I automatically skipped over 22:56:07 without thinking 22:56:13 missing out 22:56:16 you had to point it out for me to see it ;) 22:56:33 like when weapons have long poems on them 22:56:53 didn't see those until I observed someone's game 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:22 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:13 -!- parabolic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:07:51 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:10:04 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:17:50 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:30 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:19:09 -!- Rast-- has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:21:40 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:49 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:27:40 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:31:09 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:00 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest50124 23:32:07 Sequell is the amazing part, truly a beautiful frankenstein monster 23:32:32 friendfixit: many commands, even some user-defined ones, have !help entries 23:32:38 !help !greatplayer 23:32:39 No help for !greatplayer (you could add help with !learn add !help:!greatplayer ) 23:32:45 not that one though 23:32:53 ??greatplayer 23:32:54 greatplayers[1/2]: Players who have won every currently available to play race. Lifetime membership once you get in! 23:33:03 !help !abyssratio 23:33:03 !abyssratio: For each time you were banished checks whether you died in Abyss in that game or not. Shows ratio. 23:33:05 there you go 23:33:14 ??greatesterplayer 23:33:15 greatesterplayer ~ greatesterplayers[1/1]: Players who have done all the combos in a streak. 23:33:21 !abyssratio 23:33:23 friendfixit has survived banishment 4.0 of 4 times: 100% 23:33:29 well you cheated 23:33:35 hell yeah, I'm great 23:33:40 I did?! 23:33:44 somehow! 23:33:49 :P 23:33:57 I have a long story about a FoAk 23:34:06 !abyssratio . recent !gfspeed 23:34:08 gammafunk (recent !gfspeed) has survived banishment 14.0 of 14 times: 100% 23:34:17 who went to the abyss to heal, and ended up having to hit the abyss twice, and shaft self twice 23:34:19 but he lived. 23:34:25 I keep getting banished on zot:5 23:34:35 but he left a profane servitor in lair:6 cuz oops 23:34:38 but he lived. 23:34:49 lair:6 profane servitor is pretty good 23:34:55 it's a long story and I am tired of telling it but there's the highlights :D 23:35:14 !lg !bot current trunk !boring / won 23:35:24 3317/303046 games for bot (current trunk !boring): N=3317/303046 (1.09%) 23:36:03 !lg !bot cv=0.16|0.17|0.18-a !boring s=cv / won o=% 23:36:08 9069/792224 games for bot (cv=0.16|0.17|0.18-a !boring): 3095/225335x 0.16 [1.37%], 3373/306812x 0.18-a [1.10%], 2601/260077x 0.17 [1.00%] 23:36:28 -!- Guest50124 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:37:23 does a bot really trip !boring 23:37:37 well !bot is what I queried 23:37:51 but yes bots are programmed to quit in some conditions 23:37:55 that seems to be against the spirit of a game-running bot, to ^q 23:37:57 qw can get stuck and quit 23:38:05 hm 23:38:10 I think you're misready the query 23:38:13 I looked at !bot 23:38:19 as in not bots 23:38:24 so !boring is not boring 23:38:24 ohh 23:38:39 *misreading 23:38:50 the leading ! throws off everything :P 23:38:58 I start thinking of ! as the way to call a thing 23:39:01 not negate a thing 23:39:27 only at the beginning! 23:39:29 hrm 23:39:42 !cmd fooboo .echo fooboo 23:39:43 Defined command: !fooboo => .echo fooboo 23:39:51 oh it adds ! if you have no prefix 23:39:56 !cmd -rm !fooboo 23:39:57 Deleted command: !fooboo => .echo fooboo 23:40:24 I am extremely literal and confusable. like that guy who can('t) catch jokes in that movie with the "funny" gun-loving raccoon 23:40:50 !lg !bot cv=0.16|0.18-a !boring s=cv !won / br=D lvl<=7 o=% 23:40:50 one exclamation point is all it takes :P 23:40:58 and boom, I get it all wrong 23:41:09 402958/525685 games for bot (cv=0.16|0.18-a !boring !won): 173683/222240x 0.16 [78.15%], 229275/303445x 0.18-a [75.56%] 23:41:26 did you know 23:41:32 !lg !bot cv=0.16|0.18-a !boring s=cv !won / br=D lvl<=7 xl<12 o=% 23:41:43 AM is extremely unpopular 23:41:52 402923/525686 games for bot (cv=0.16|0.18-a !boring !won): 173667/222240x 0.16 [78.14%], 229256/303446x 0.18-a [75.55%] 23:42:20 !lg !bot cv=0.16|0.18-a !boring s=cv !won / xl>=12 o=% 23:42:24 I'm trying out giving it cooler spells - tukima's and mana viper 23:42:27 47914/525686 games for bot (cv=0.16|0.18-a !boring !won): 28711/303446x 0.18-a [9.46%], 19203/222240x 0.16 [8.64%] 23:43:41 the footv thing is one of Sequell's more impressive tricks 23:43:56 have you seen all the custom .tv channels they've been defining in ##crawl ? 23:44:03 ??channels 23:44:03 channels ~ channeling[1/1]: Converts food into mana. The staff succeeds (evo+11)/40, 50 hunger, 1d3 MP; Wucad Mu (evo+1)/25, 50 hunger, 1/5 div miscast, otherwise 2+d5+evo/3 MP; Sif power 100-300 hunger, d(2+inv/4) mp. For reference, merely resting will recover 14+maxMP per 600 nutrition, at standard metabolic rates. 23:44:13 ??footv 23:44:13 FooTV[1/5]: telnet termcast.develz.org (and then select the letter for FooTV), or http://termcast.develz.org. Do not use SSH. Shows games requested using !tv. Request games by adding -tv to !lg or !lm. Cancel games by adding -tv:cancel to the same command-line, clear playlist with !lg * -tv:nuke 23:44:24 ??footv[5 23:44:24 FooTV[5/5]: It's how good players laugh at bad ones. It masquerades as a learning tool for going in the other direction. 23:44:28 ??footv[4 23:44:28 FooTV[4/5]: If playback looks weird to you in PuTTY, then try setting the translation to UTF-8 under Window->Translation->Received data assumed to be in which character set 23:44:30 n, 23:44:33 hm 23:48:12 well, there's these 23:48:13 -!- Tickenest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:48:16 ??footv[3 23:48:16 FooTV[3/5]: For good fooTV, ??embarrassing deaths, ??hilarious deaths, ??amazing games, ??great near misses 23:48:30 but that's not what I'm looking for 23:49:14 ah here we go gammafunk ! 23:49:16 ??tv guide 23:49:17 tv guide[1/1]: !grunttv !embarrassingdeath !hilariousdeath !ouchtv !polymorphtv !murdertv !orbsplattv !pyrrhictv !shafttv !shriketv !statustv !varietytv .hubristv .ownedtv .ownedtv2 .randomtv .paralysistv .shardshriketv .shriketv .slime &splat 23:49:27 .hubristv 23:49:30 4220. magenar, XL27 GrGl, T:76117 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 23:50:27 those are based on rules! I presume hubristv is "when a player fights something way above their weight class and dies" 23:54:41 i wrote hubristv. it's "you have at least 3 runes, and died in a branch other than dungeon, depths, or zot 23:54:51 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:55:18 .hubristv 23:55:20 4219. 4thArraOfDagon, XL25 CeAE, T:47952 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 23:55:56 cool 23:56:47 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:59 I was so freaked out when I realized I'd grabbed a 4th rune, for the first time 23:57:07 !kw hubris 23:57:08 Keyword: hubris => !won !boring nrune>=3 place!=d|depths|zot 23:57:31 I thought the game would scale up its !FUN! in response to my "delving too deep" 23:57:58 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:58:39 are we all watching the same thing, synced, at footv? 23:58:49 or do we start and finish on our own clocks? 23:59:09 footv is a TV station, not netflix