00:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:02 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:24 if you enslave duvessa and make her kill dowan, is there a specific response for that? 00:02:32 nope 00:02:35 I've done it once 00:02:41 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:02:45 FR: 00:03:12 or maybe I'm confusing it with the time I pacified duvessa after killing dowan 00:04:37 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:06:33 -!- xaibudo has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:18 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [] 00:08:48 @??ancient lich hd:30 spells:stone_arrow.1.wizard 00:08:48 ancient lich (00L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 30 | HP: 103-141 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 2013(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 7867 | Sp: stone arrow (3d41) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:09:08 @??ancient lich 00:09:08 ancient lich (00L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 87-125 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 2013(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 8240 | Sp: b.cold (3d37), force lance (3d27), sum.greater demon, slow, invisibility / b.corrosive (3d28), crystal spear.. 00:09:20 @??ancient lich hd:30 spells:crystal spear.1.wizard 00:09:20 Invalid spell slot format: 'crystal' in 'crystal' 00:09:32 @??ancient lich hd:30 spells:lehubis_crystal_spear.1.wizard 00:09:32 Unknown spell name: 'lehubis crystal spear' in 'lehubis_crystal_spear.1.wizard' 00:09:41 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:09:46 @??ancient lich hd:30 spells:lehudibs_crystal_spear.1.wizard 00:09:46 Unknown spell name: 'lehudibs crystal spear' in 'lehudibs_crystal_spear.1.wizard' 00:09:49 derp 00:10:21 -!- Zibudo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:10:40 @??ancient lich hd:30 spells:crystal_spear.1.wizard 00:10:40 Unknown spell name: 'crystal spear' in 'crystal_spear.1.wizard' 00:10:52 clearly the problem is you and not the UI 00:10:52 -!- MgDark_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:53 @??ancient lich hd:30 spells:lehudib's_crystal_spear.1.wizard 00:10:53 ancient lich (00L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 30 | HP: 103-141 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 2013(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 8603 | Sp: crystal spear (3d52) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:10:57 finally 00:11:07 the point is that stone arrow scaling makes 0 sense 00:11:50 @??dowan hd:30 spells:lehidib's_crystal_spear.1.wizard 00:11:50 Unknown spell name: 'lehidib's crystal spear' in 'lehidib's_crystal_spear.1.wizard' 00:11:54 @??dowan hd:30 spells:lehudib's_crystal_spear.1.wizard 00:11:54 Dowan (05e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 30 | HP: 206-280 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 12509 | Sp: crystal spear (3d52) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:12:11 dowan got buff. 00:13:37 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:16:40 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:21:58 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:23:55 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:28:15 -!- techieAgnostic has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4-dev] 00:29:18 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest49743 00:32:01 -!- namelastname112 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:20 why shadow from isn't immune to constriction? 00:33:46 -!- Guest49743 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:33:58 shadow is that it's such,, yeah? 00:34:41 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:41 ??shadow form 00:34:41 shadow form[1/4]: Dithmenos' 5* ability - for some skill drain, MP, and piety, you turn invisible for the duration (without glow), gain torment immunity, rRot, rN+++, rPois+++, immunity to hostile enchantments, and 50% damage reduction, but you also deal only 50% melee damage and get two spell anti-enhancer levels. 00:35:18 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:54 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:26 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:33 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:50 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:39:10 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 00:39:27 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:34 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39:36 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:39:56 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:40:05 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 00:40:34 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:41:05 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:34 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:10 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 00:42:54 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44:02 -!- techieAgnostic has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4-dev] 00:49:58 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:54:17 hmm 00:54:57 what are shard shrike HD in 0.16 00:57:22 -!- WWWWW has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:58:28 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:58:40 -!- FireSight has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:05 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:13 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:03:08 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1774-gce1f7b6 (34) 01:06:51 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:28 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:11:09 @??shard shrike 01:11:09 shard shrike (12b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 21 | HP: 87-121 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 2112(cold:21-62) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold++, 08blind | XP: 5288 | Sp: throw icicle (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 01:11:52 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:06 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:17:30 hey everybody, this is Zibudo, anyways I have compiled my long list of exact steps I took to make my server to append to the wiki 01:17:38 however I am having a few problems 01:17:42 one primarily with ssl 01:17:47 I have ssl set up with my site 01:17:59 but when I enable it in config.py webtiles won't run 01:18:49 -!- simmarine__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:00 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1774-gce1f7b6 (34) 01:21:29 -!- sysice has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:23:39 xaibudo: what does the webtiles log show? 01:23:49 that's the problem 01:23:54 it doesn't show anything 01:24:22 when i have ssl options on, i start the server and it just says it's listening on port 8080 and the process closes out 01:25:15 what might help would be if you turn off daemonization 01:25:27 -!- sneakynesss has joined ##crawl-dev 01:25:28 and then run it so you can see any python stacktrace 01:25:28 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:25:52 probably also set the logging to disable the filename 01:26:12 so you can set daemon to false in the published config.py 01:26:16 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:26:23 yea ill try that 01:26:28 and comment out "filename" in 01:26:31 logging_config = { "filename": "webtiles.log", 01:26:39 it will write log info to stdout 01:26:55 logging_config = { 01:26:55 # "filename": "webtiles.log", "level": logging.INFO, "format": "%(asctime)s %(levelname)s: %(message)s" 01:26:58 } 01:27:08 it would look a bit like that except with newlines after each , 01:27:14 just the filename line would be commented 01:27:27 if you run it from /etc/init.d/webtiles it should go to stdout 01:27:28 -!- vonhedlu1d has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:27:29 -!- Zeor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:27:29 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:27:29 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:27:29 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:28:05 -!- sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:28:05 -!- tsujin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:28:05 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:28:05 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:28:05 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:28:05 -!- hypermatt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:28:06 -!- wmbt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:28:06 -!- Cenon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:28:25 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:28 I assume you have ssl_options enabled in your published config.py, and have ssl_address and ssl_port likewise set appropriately 01:28:41 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:29:16 yea, i was just confused what was stopping it from running and found out it has to be this, so imma trouble shoot now 01:34:50 -!- hypermatt has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:03 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:36 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:44 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40:34 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:43:58 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:46 -!- NopeKat is now known as Xom 01:45:58 -!- Xom is now known as NotKat 01:50:38 I got it thanks gamma 01:51:15 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:17 xaibudo: did you run it out of daemon to see the error, or was that not necessary? 01:52:25 no that was the ticket 01:52:38 just not daemonizing showed the error 01:52:45 and that was easy to fix 01:53:29 I've moved the server to https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks:8081/ , currently doing some more set up, but I've documented it all pretty well for the guide 01:53:47 nice, what's the server for? 01:53:53 just general play, or dev? 01:53:56 well cszo went down 01:53:57 Are all the servers dedicated ones or vps's? 01:53:57 Mattias: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:54:00 !messages 01:54:01 (1/1) friendfixit said (12h 22m 43s ago): I was asleep when you figured out the quarterstaff thing, but thank you! that explains it 01:54:09 cool, so it's us-base? 01:54:11 and my friends and i liked it since it was in west chester 01:54:13 *based 01:54:18 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:54:24 its North East in Canada right above a great lake 01:54:37 owned by a French company ovh, on a dedicated server 01:54:41 i run all my games on there 01:54:44 like space station 13 01:54:54 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1774-gce1f7b6 01:55:08 I would probably wanna dev, but seems there is a lot of server work to do 01:55:12 Are you intending to open it up for anyone? 01:55:13 to make it cleaner 01:55:15 yea 01:55:27 I was told I had to make it official 01:55:33 so it can count for tournies 01:55:36 Well, if you feel it's set up, we could incorporate it in time for the tournament 01:55:43 it's close 01:55:48 Now, when is the tourney? :) 01:55:48 I want to fix the error 01:55:53 that cszo went down 01:56:00 for because he got trolled 01:56:34 Yeah neil was sick of dealing with bad elements from the community, and he's having less time these days 01:56:52 xaibudo: one thing you want to do is enable wiz-mode for the dev team 01:57:10 and then there's infrastructure for irc, if you'd like to do that 01:57:42 yea i saw that in some code, was confused why it was there but that makes sense 01:57:50 I will end up doing irc eventually 01:58:14 i think I got the hang of how everything is set up with this to a point 01:59:56 Mattias: most would be virtual, I think 02:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:30 xaibudo: did you try playing on cbro? I was under the impression it was physically near cszo 02:00:36 xaibudo: I'll be sure to talk with some others about setting it up; I'd like to maybe chat with neil about it if he shows up again in the near term 02:01:02 in the mean time, thanks for setting it up, and feel free to ask questions about the other things you need help with 02:01:02 cszo was in arizona or something, and cbro is in new york i thought 02:01:11 cszo was in west chester 02:01:14 I got an unused server sitting around but nowhere to put it or give constant internet access -.- 16gb ram, 8 cores, lots of disk space. 02:01:16 PA 02:01:28 oh... i thought they were both in cbro 02:01:29 and the raspberry pi I have is not strong enough and I doubt crawl works on arm? :) 02:01:42 * Mattias wants a server in Sweden ~ 02:01:48 I'm hosting a server on my apple watch 02:01:50 Mattias: someone plays webtiles from a rpi 02:01:55 but you have to issue all commands vocally 02:02:07 O.o 02:02:10 "ok siri, go left" 02:02:34 "siri! quaff the berserk pot! no! not the lignifications pot! siri!!!" 02:03:04 gammafunk: could you update https://crawl.develz.org/servers.json ? 02:03:08 cszo needs to be removed 02:03:10 ah 02:03:19 yes I guess I should do that right now 02:03:19 also, apparently cbro is in NY, not Georgia 02:03:26 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:03:50 the last traceroute hop before cbro is atlanta 02:03:56 i dunno what that's near. seattle? 02:04:00 maybe florida 02:04:02 hrm, is that all? 02:04:13 I guess we have other docs referring to cszo 02:04:19 the wordpress stuff certainly 02:04:22 git grep -i cszo / 02:05:43 yeah I did recursive grep and just found dgl-status.json 02:06:15 but that's generated by the js I guess 02:07:25 a cron job that uses the json, yes 02:08:15 btw gammafunk, i did finish my 15-rune game without finding a single ?acq. what high score list do i get added to? 02:09:07 see you're probably lying about that 02:09:13 there was an acquire scroll somewhere 02:09:21 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:32 ok, cdo website updated 02:09:41 the geolocate thing doesn't seem to work for me 02:09:48 but it no longer shows cszo in the server listing 02:10:44 amalloy: I keep meaning to take one of my stream recordings and do a voiceover guide, but I never stream the whole thing and even then what would I even make a guide of 02:11:09 with amalloy and a lot of other people having videos for crawl I don't think there's much not covered 02:11:29 but where will they learn how to play musu? 02:11:30 doesn't help that any guide you make becomes out of date pretty fast 02:11:55 Well that's just it, no one really wants a dedicate summoner guide 02:12:04 geolocate is broken 02:12:04 but to be truthful, I don't know what guides people would actually want 02:12:05 check the console 02:12:11 i forget why, but it's some dumb reason 02:12:25 i don't know about that, gammafunk. guides that go out of date are probably too specific 02:12:27 gammafunk: grwz as summoner :D 02:12:49 one guide I think crawl needs is "here's an intro to the game in 60 seconds, telling you the basic keyboard commands and suggesting two combos to start with" 02:12:54 one of the things i'd like to do sometime is like "surviving the early dungeon", or "how to recognize an emergency" 02:13:18 everyone who attempts this a) makes their video >60 seconds long *cough* amalloy *cough* b) includes stuff you don't need to care about, like invocations 02:13:19 yeah, that could be nice, but I'd not care to make such a guide 02:13:20 early dungeon = autoexplore + tab 02:13:37 Uncaught ReferenceError: servers is not defined 02:13:45 dcss.js:182 02:13:53 I usually either get stuck on lair or own lair depending on what I find before lair -.- 02:14:03 I'd like a guide for lair with crap gear 02:14:18 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:14:51 depends on character too. melee with crap gear is worse than a magic user. 02:15:35 that doesn't sound like a true statement, Mattias 02:16:24 I like to tab, running away from hydras gets boring :P 02:16:27 Usually people say they have "crap gear" when they're intent on using a narrow set of items even if it's worse for their character 02:16:37 haha..."how to recognize an emergency" 02:16:48 "you've taken damage. get the hell out" 02:17:08 .splatratio ProzacElf 02:17:08 % of xl17 chars killed : 59/74x ProzacElf [79.73%] 02:17:19 seems like ProzacElf doesn't follow this advice 02:17:24 of course not 02:17:26 .splatratio Mattias 02:17:27 No games for Mattias (((name=gammafunk !gfspeed || name!=gammafunk)) !boring xl>=17 recent). 02:17:34 need at least 5 02:17:40 one of the things that sems to me to be a symptom of getting better at the game is recognizing more of your good luck 02:17:53 yeah 02:17:58 stuff that a newer player thinks is "crap gear" i'm like, holy cow, i can't believe i found X already 02:18:03 haha, yeah 02:18:11 especially stuff like potions and scrolls 02:18:14 that i used to never ever use 02:18:15 -!- Ultraviolent4 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:18:38 like hunting slings. holy heck those are useful early even at 0 skill 02:18:39 and hydras you don't necessarilly have to run from if you use your consumables right, but you often have to slow down your play 02:18:47 Oh, I always ignore slings 02:19:02 do you also not pick up rocks for throwing? 02:19:10 as for hydras, I use wands as much as possible if I have no other alternatives 02:19:15 slinging rocks at threats can kill them before they even get adjacent 02:19:19 but when those runs out, I'm screwed 02:19:30 slings are shockingly good even though i hate them 02:19:30 nikheizen: yeah, I don't throw stuff 02:19:46 early blowgun is also great 02:19:55 although thanks to lasty now you actually need to invest some skill into it 02:20:09 well you can use lower level wands to weaken the hydra, then some buffs, there are a lot of tricks in the book 02:20:14 lol 02:20:16 gammafunk 02:20:23 you modified splatratio to boost your stats 02:20:29 what's that now? 02:20:36 I modified it to boost not showing my speedruns 02:20:43 =p 02:20:44 because those are always splats 02:20:53 gammafunk: when I had the distortion weapon in one game on cszo, I had no issues with hydras or anything else. but then cszo went down after I got to crypt... 02:21:01 can I modify it to not show my splats, because those are always splats 02:21:03 but it's often true that the query is not useful for players who do challenge runs 02:21:04 No luck with a good weapon since then on a mifi :P 02:21:27 distortion is super powerful 02:21:28 so tabstorm has a bad splatratio but he's not a bad player 02:21:51 i'd like to have a general sequell thing for people to register things like that 02:21:54 but it's a bit tricky to make 02:22:00 splatratio is for my casual runs 02:22:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:22:10 heh 02:22:19 and it's also recent versions only 02:22:27 i think the last time i played a combo that was just unambiguously good was the last tournament 02:22:49 because even though we lost to comborobin, awbw is keeping hope alive 02:22:51 I agree "playing like chequers" is a challenge condition though 02:22:53 on eventually winning every combo =p 02:23:10 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:23:35 the other thing is xl17 is arbitrary, lots are chars should be win a few xl earlier 02:23:41 !lg . !gfspeed 02:23:42 691. gammafunk the Eye of the Storm (L15 MfWz of Qazlal), quit the game on Orc:2 (enter_volcano_3) on 2016-04-14 23:45:06, with 85605 points after 41048 turns and 3:22:36. 02:23:48 like that one, I just hated the char 02:23:53 wanted to redo with a better build 02:24:01 heh, and i'm trying to combine that with finishing out my polytheist. which leads me to do things like try to do vptm^xom->jiyva 02:24:04 !lg * current won s=xl 02:24:05 5931 games for * (current won): 5050x 27, 404x 26, 284x 25, 109x 24, 49x 23, 19x 22, 10x 21, 4x 20, 19, 18 02:24:19 seems rare to win a few xl earlier 02:24:37 huh? I mean a few xl earlier than 17 02:24:50 wow, is it so heavily skewed to 27 just because of people going for more than 3 runes? 02:24:51 as in, you could say that an xl14 death is a 'splat' 02:25:16 !lg . zs s=xl 02:25:17 33 games for zxc (zs): 28x 27, 3x 26, 2x 24 02:25:27 !kw zs 02:25:27 Keyword: zs => gid>=zzxc:cpo:20150027172425S 02:25:28 you can easily hit 27 in a 3 rune game though 02:25:38 !lg . won min=xl 02:25:39 49. gammafunk the Imperceptible (L22 DEAs of Zin), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-02-11 04:32:50, with 1304622 points after 93870 turns and 9:30:46. 02:25:42 wow, weak 02:25:43 you can, but you can easily not hit 27 in a 3 rune too 02:25:50 need the <20 xl win 02:25:53 zxc: i think your wins are slower than average though 02:26:09 yes I was clearing elf as well as the usual 3 rune stuff 02:26:14 i sort of feel like runes>0 might be a better splat indicator than a flat level cutoff 02:26:14 and occasionally crypt 02:26:28 yeah but that would put the xl probably higher 02:26:28 clearing elf as in even the final chamber? 02:26:29 yeah, i usually do elf and crypt anymore even on 3 runes 02:26:42 !lm . !gfspeed rune x=avg(xl) 02:26:43 272 milestones for gammafunk (!gfspeed rune): avg(xl)=22.77 02:26:44 chequers, yeah 02:26:45 right, 22 02:26:53 hm 02:27:07 22 for your first rune seems high 02:27:11 er 02:27:18 right, let me try that again 02:27:18 !lm . !gfspeed rune urune=1 x=avg(xl) 02:27:19 59 milestones for gammafunk (!gfspeed rune urune=1): avg(xl)=18.03 02:27:23 there we go 02:27:24 that's more like it 02:27:26 but yeah higher than 17 02:27:33 !lm * current rune urune=1 x=avg(xl) 02:27:37 yeah, i was thinking it'd probably be right around 17 02:27:39 19274 milestones for * (current rune urune=1): avg(xl)=17.35 02:27:53 maybe it's possible to separate speedruns with a milestone like lair.enter vs turns or dur 02:27:55 which appears to be roughly accurate for everyone 02:27:57 the thing is rune is not really much less arbitrary, I'm talking about games that were really in the bag 02:28:10 maybe you could look for "clearing lair" 02:28:22 would be more close to what I'm looking for 02:28:47 reaching lair:8 is probably about right 02:28:55 i don't know for sure, but i've gotta think i've got more games where i die after clearing lair but before getting a rune than games where i get a rune and then die 02:29:06 !lm . !gfspeed recent !boring br.end=lair / won 02:29:09 17/19 milestones for gammafunk (!gfspeed recent !boring br.end=lair): N=17/19 (89.47%) 02:29:20 oh well aren't you special? =p 02:29:30 !kw gfspeed 02:29:31 Keyword: gfspeed => char=deie|desu|grgl|heie|hesu|hogl|mibe|musu|vsie|vsfi 02:29:42 !lm devteamnp ((!gfspeed || name!=gammafunk)) recent !boring br.end=lair s=name / won 02:29:51 262/447 milestones for devteamnp (((!gfspeed || name!=gammafunk)) recent !boring br.end=lair): 74/126x Lasty [58.73%], 57/64x elliptic [89.06%], 35/46x amalloy [76.09%], 33/46x Medar [71.74%], 17/19x gammafunk [89.47%], 13/29x dpeg [44.83%], 10/14x MarvinPA [71.43%], 5/10x doy [50.00%], 5/28x reaver [17.86%], 4/7x ontoclasm [57.14%], 3/8x PleasingFungus [37.50%], 2/10x wheals [20.00%], 1/30x neil ... 02:29:59 er 02:30:03 !lm devteamnp ((!gfspeed || name!=gammafunk)) recent !boring br.end=lair s=name / won o=% 02:30:12 262/447 milestones for devteamnp (((!gfspeed || name!=gammafunk)) recent !boring br.end=lair): 17/19x gammafunk [89.47%], 57/64x elliptic [89.06%], 35/46x amalloy [76.09%], 33/46x Medar [71.74%], 10/14x MarvinPA [71.43%], 74/126x Lasty [58.73%], 4/7x ontoclasm [57.14%], 5/10x doy [50.00%], 13/29x dpeg [44.83%], 3/8x PleasingFungus [37.50%], 1/3x bh [33.33%], 1/3x felirx [33.33%], 1/4x SGrunt [25.0... 02:30:18 -!- vale__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30:24 when did elliptic die 02:30:37 gammafunk: the new best dev? 02:30:49 anyhow I think amalloy plays way better early game than I do, because I don't really care too much 02:30:58 heh 02:31:32 he's also gotten a lot more that far 02:31:45 as has elliptic 02:32:06 early game is the fun part 02:32:09 And when does early turn into mid game? after lair? 02:32:25 early game is fun, I do agree 02:34:10 gammafunk: i was thinking of spicing up my play with conduct runs or speedruns, rather than just trying as hard as i can to win my game (post character selection, obviously; it's not like i just play MiBe). any advice for like "baby's first speedrun"? 02:34:30 hrm, have you tried a realtime run? 02:35:20 not on purpose. i've had a couple characters where i noticed myself playing very quickly and carelessly, and then leaned more in that direction on purpose, but nothing very tryhardy 02:35:24 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:35:27 turncount runs will involve more quits potentially, but if you set a goal of simple win with 15 runes in <50k, you can win with any very strong melee char reasonably 02:35:30 what's a realtime run? no interruptions? 02:35:42 fast as you can in realtime, not turncount 02:35:50 a 3-rune win < 50k is more realistic :P 02:35:55 you should see demise's games 02:36:06 oh, we'll I'd not really consider that a speedrun I guess 02:36:15 well, that's why i said baby's first 02:36:45 but I've not done 3-rune turncount runs, they involve much more careful use of actions to get something competitive 02:36:54 eg https://youtu.be/bW8GwgnjTgg?t=21m33s 02:36:54 To be honest, for 3-rune you have many more char options 02:37:04 if you don't want to target near 10k 02:37:16 Like 50k for 3-rune would be pretty easy with most strong combos 02:37:37 For a mage it might be pretty scary I guess 02:37:47 i did a 50k 3 rune accidentally 02:37:52 and i'm me! 02:38:04 Yeah, I think chequers has done a 60 or 70k 15 rune? 02:38:19 !hs 02:38:19 1623. chequers the Bringer of Light (L27 GrFi of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-11-21 22:20:14, with 22490806 points after 67191 turns and 4:06:04. 02:38:20 !hs . nrune=3 02:38:20 42. yollama the Executioner (L25 DDBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-03-23 19:18:39, with 1931190 points after 50403 turns and 9:24:46. 02:38:43 oh, you've already done 50k 3-rune 02:38:45 this one i aimed for 50k around the time of my second rune, but missed because of my confusion between game-turns and scoring turns 02:38:58 er, third rune 02:39:07 i think it proves you can do it, at least 02:39:14 yeah, so i could trim this down quite a bit with a strong char 02:39:32 what's the different in your two account purposes? 02:39:56 nothing really. just so i can start a new game while leaving another in progress if i don't feel like finishing it yet 02:40:04 typical turncount route for melee brute is try to get a rune between 4k-8k, but you can even get one at as late as 12-14k and have a decent run 02:40:12 often one of them is stuck on a video series and i can't record but want to play 02:40:20 what's the !gamestatus command again 02:40:25 usually does both lair branches in sequence, then slime if rC and rCorr are available 02:40:29 !gameinfo ? 02:40:29 Broken query near '? x=str,int,dex,gid fmt:'${name} the L${xl} ${char}^$(=godshortname ${god}) in ${place} ($src $(if $tiles tiles console)), T:$turn$(if ${urune} ", runes: ${urune} ($(=lastrunes * gid=${x[3]})$(if (> ${urune} 3) ...))"), defenses: ${ac}/${ev}/${sh}, stats: ${x[0]}/${x[1]}/$x[2]$(if ${fifteenskills} ", >15 skills: ${fifteenskills}")$(if ${maxskills} ", Max skills: ${maxskills}")'' 02:40:38 !gameinfo gid=chequers:cpo:20151014114729S 02:40:39 chequers the L22 MiGl^Jiyva in Depths:5 (cpo tiles), T:47456, runes: 3 (serpentine, abyssal, slimy), defenses: 31/37/0, stats: 26/8/35, >15 skills: Fighting,Armour,Dodging 02:40:51 nah, it showed your progression of getting runes 02:41:04 -!- n1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:09 amalloy: trj fight at 8-10k for melee speedrun is a rite of passage 02:41:18 I updated the wiki for the server outlining issues and tips and some stuff I did when setting up the server so far 02:41:38 you set up the fight pretty specifically, using summons to fill in the corridor around trj and fight it fully buffed 02:41:42 xaibudo: yay! 02:41:53 but after that it's just get the silver rune and ascend as fast as you can 02:42:04 assuming you want a 3-rune win 02:42:40 why get slime and silver on a 3 rune win? is it faster than a second normal lair branch? 02:42:40 n1: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 02:42:41 and there are lots of resets due to not getting rPois by time of lair branches, you can do orb before lair (dangerous in trunk) or not 02:42:42 xaibudo: this is good docs 02:42:55 yeah heh, you're right n1 02:42:59 i figure S branches would be more optimal now they're 4 level 02:43:05 so for 3 you have more of a choice 02:43:11 you can dive M really fast though 02:43:12 I only do 15 attempts, that's why 02:43:13 perhaps 02:43:16 yes slime is super fast 02:43:30 vaults can take forever, not just the dive, but also v:5 02:43:39 chequers: there are some items I haven't covered yet such as setting up ssh and masking to look nicer, but ill add it later, but if you follow that code on ubuntu at least it will work 100% 02:43:45 :D 02:43:48 but if you have no rC or no !resistance, no !haste, you might not be able to do it 02:43:53 slime, that is 02:44:07 this is why i hope for the lucky 100 turn abyss instead of vaults =p 02:44:14 not that i actually speedrun 02:44:18 diving V real quick is a nice way to get experience (if risky) 02:44:31 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:44:31 !lm . rune noun=slimy !jiyva min=turns 02:44:33 63. [2015-09-11 05:23:02] gammafunk the Executioner (L16 MiBe of Trog) found a slimy rune of Zot on turn 9296. (Slime:6) 02:44:44 yeah not terribly fast, but typical 02:44:53 before runelocking i used to go do a good chunk of vaults before i did either lair branch 02:44:56 !lm tabstorm rune noun=slimy !jiyva min=turns 02:44:57 69. [2015-04-08 15:40:31] Tabstorm the Severer (L15 VSBe of Trog) found a slimy rune of Zot on turn 7692. (Slime:6) 02:45:13 hah. wow 02:45:55 getting a fast slime rune the first time is really fun, good experience 02:46:20 So, the issue with people setting up webtile servers then creating "grief" accounts to ruin others scores... what prevents them from modifying data directly on their server? Why even create an account and play manually when you could automate and fake a lot? How much security is in place when letting new webtile servers into the global scoring/statistics system? 02:46:49 Well we have to explicitely add servers to scoring 02:46:59 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:47:18 Someone contacts us, saying "i'm running a server", we agree to add it 02:47:28 griefers are dicks but I doubt they would spend that much actual money on griefing more effectively 02:47:48 What about a central login system on crawl.develz.org? 02:47:59 heh 02:48:20 FloodKiller is working on a central auth system right now, but it's probably not going to get hosted on cdo; we'll just have to see how that goes 02:48:37 oh, that's wonderful 02:48:40 Awesome 02:48:41 Your body is partially covered in golden eyeballs (Acc +3) <-- some of jiyva's muts are terrible aren't they 02:49:10 speaking of cdo, i don't know if the problem is that i'm an idiot or that the ssh client i use with chromeos is ass backwards but i can't connect 02:49:14 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:49:23 another way to fix griefing (but break old streaks) would be to make streaks not able to cross servers 02:49:25 i suppose i'll try it on the desktop at some point and prove one or the other 02:49:49 ProzacElf, that's your problem, I just connected 02:50:07 using the chromeOS ssh client? 02:50:22 no, I mean it's not the server being down 02:50:25 because i think the issue is that it's ass-backwards, not me 02:50:25 chequers: server crossing also allows people to cheat streaks in the opposite direction, fwiw 02:50:28 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:50:34 yeah, i didn't think the server was down 02:50:42 not that anyone has ever done this for a streak long enough to matter 02:50:44 minmay: yes, though I don't think anyone did it for a major streak 02:50:58 it also allows any streaks on cszo to survive, and similar situations though 02:51:15 anyway, if central auth is coming this is moot 02:51:32 \o/ 02:51:53 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:53:44 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1774-gce1f7b6 02:54:40 -!- Zibudo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:46 Hm, does webtile just truncate passwords to 20 characters without saying anything to the user? O.o 02:55:48 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:56:46 -!- xaibudo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:56:48 yes 02:56:54 it's in config.py 02:57:22 why on earth would we do that 02:57:27 yeah, my thought exactly 02:58:08 passwd = passwd[0:max_passwd_length] <-- makes no sense O.o 02:58:34 someone probably implemented that when they were hashing and salting 02:59:38 it was edlothiol -.- 02:59:41 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:59:46 in 2011 03:00:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:00:27 it does it for a reason 03:00:44 chequers: which is? 03:00:45 the database format, including user passwords is compatible with dgamelaunch, the SSH wrapper 03:00:48 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:57 dgamelaunch is very very old, and dumb, and it's where the database format comes from 03:00:59 -!- sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:01:17 the password is stored in crypt format, aka the old linux passwd format 03:01:31 anyway, it means all crawl passwords can be cracked in a few hours 03:04:05 -!- omarax has quit [*.net *.split] 03:04:05 -!- ProzacElf has quit [*.net *.split] 03:04:05 -!- herself has quit [*.net *.split] 03:04:05 -!- iFurril has quit [*.net *.split] 03:04:05 -!- MadCoyote has quit [*.net *.split] 03:04:05 -!- Doll has quit [*.net *.split] 03:04:05 -!- _sk has quit [*.net *.split] 03:04:05 -!- Rjs has quit [*.net *.split] 03:04:11 * Mattias will have to take a closer look at that 03:07:13 if you want to look closer, be aware |amethyst upgraded the algorithm dgamelaunch does, but there's no migration path for old passwords on existing servers and the defaults are still all wrong 03:07:38 so theoretically there's a better algorithm in webtiles, but I forget off the top of my head how to enable it. check the userdb.py file 03:07:55 I am confused when you said crypt could be cracked in a few hours 03:08:17 shouldn't the passwords be salted and hashed , so crypt wouldn't matter? 03:11:11 the salt is like 2 bytes 03:11:50