00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:52 yea that should be the one, but I am questioning whether I am running the correct one because I am running from the location /home/crawl/DGL/crawl-master/webserver/server.py 00:01:23 the correct location should be mentioned in /etc/init.d/webtiles 00:01:30 chequers: no output, just hangs 00:02:12 espais: dang. it seems likely your uni firewall blocks irc then 00:02:42 pinging chat.freenode also hangs....but I can access other web resources 00:03:04 i could probably petition to get another port opened but that would take some effort 00:03:18 ok, thanks...will probably just deal without bot help for a while 00:03:52 Zibudo: could you pastebin /etc/init.d/webtiles ? 00:04:10 sure 00:04:14 i can't figure out where that file comes from 00:04:38 http://pastebin.com/pwMvkRfb 00:05:01 where is that file, actually? 00:05:11 in the repo 00:05:11 -!- espais has quit [] 00:05:22 i can't see it in crawl, dgl or dgamelaunch :S 00:05:47 Zibudo: cd /home/crawl/DGL/crawl-master/webserver and then run sudo PYTHONPATH=/home/crawl-dev/tornado/ python ./server.py 00:06:21 still nothing 00:06:43 you don't get output from the command? 00:06:48 server.py is in there, but that command results no output 00:07:13 so just to confirm, you see output like this: 00:07:14 14:07:00 Alexs-MacBook-Pro.local ~ $ true 00:07:15 14:07:03 Alexs-MacBook-Pro.local ~ $ 00:07:26 and if you run echo $?, it says 0 00:07:39 oh it says 100 now 00:08:09 (echo $? shows the exit code of the last run command) 00:08:11 i just ran it again and it says 0 no 00:08:22 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:41 -!- Shred has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:09:02 Zibudo: what's the output of PYTHONPATH=/home/crawl-dev/tornado/ python --version 00:09:18 and free -m 00:09:18 Python 2.7.6 00:09:36 my guess is 00:09:40 you have a problem in the config 00:09:42 http://puu.sh/oglFX/7d33511ef8.png 00:10:04 well its looking like it isnt an apache problem for the moment 00:10:05 did old webtiles just crash and burn? 00:10:14 maybe uid/gid or chroot 00:10:15 yep, the problem is webtiles doesn't start properly 00:10:15 in config.py 00:10:22 what do you have those set to? 00:10:25 no i did change those 00:10:30 i can double check 00:10:35 maybe sprunge your config.py 00:10:42 sprunge? 00:10:46 pastebin 00:10:49 dpaste.com 00:10:52 ??sprunge 00:10:52 sprunge[1/1]: | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us 00:11:13 oh okay 00:11:17 -!- FireSight has quit [] 00:11:20 except would be cat config.py 00:11:38 I use a shell command ofc 00:12:23 iirc, old webtiles will start up without attempting to drop privileges/chroot if those three directives are commented out, so doing that could be a good test 00:12:29 http://pastebin.com/xRkEkfNL 00:12:43 this is about the point in my own server setup i started bruteforcing problems with dtrace 00:13:18 Zibudo: when you run ifconfig, does one of the interfaces have the IP 66.111.46.147 ? 00:13:23 no 00:13:28 that was just there before 00:13:33 I was confused why that IP was there 00:13:51 oh, uh 00:13:54 that config.py 00:13:57 is unpublished 00:14:08 chroot = "%%DGL_CHROOT%%" 00:14:10 etc 00:14:25 so yeah that would be the problem 00:14:35 aha yeah 00:14:35 the dgl scripts haven't gone through and replaced those templates with the actual value 00:14:50 hmm 00:14:51 i can't help with this dgl stuff sorry 00:15:05 so its a dgl problem then 00:15:11 but once you get those substitutions done, you will probably have to edit the config file a bit more 00:15:15 replace that IP with your own, and so on 00:15:55 I think he's already done that 00:15:58 or at least I see an ip in there 00:16:05 or is that cszo's 00:16:07 so i just have to change this file to have the correct absolute pathing 00:16:28 oh yeah this is still set to cszo stuff 00:16:45 well I see cszo stuff, not sure about the ip 00:16:57 ah, I see the scrollback now 00:17:10 Zibudo: yeah, step 10 is I think where this happens? 00:17:20 I think these vars should be in the dgl conf, let me see 00:17:32 the ip is cszo 00:17:44 yea it has the ssl settings too 00:17:47 i noticed because |amethyst is the sort of guy to set up reverse dns :) 00:18:09 yeah, so that should be set to your ip, and the server name shouldn't be "cszo" etc 00:18:47 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:20:37 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:13 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:21:22 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1764-gf4ddf0b (34) 00:22:25 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:23:04 so for all these game directories, should I remove them and add the versions I would support/ 00:24:51 right 00:25:53 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:30 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:26:42 Zibudo: you want to keep the templates though for the versions you will support 00:26:55 looks like CHROOT_WEBDIR is set in dgl-manage.conf 00:27:22 in the cszo branch there's a config.py that's in the toplevel dgamelaunch-config 00:27:24 yea ofc, and the dgl-manage file will be the place to set the %%relatives? 00:27:50 right 00:28:30 Zibudo: ah, /bin/publish.pl is what copies that toplevel config.py to crawl-master/webserver 00:28:39 Zibudo: so you don't edit the one in crawl-master/webserver 00:29:05 i am editing the one in crawl-dev 00:29:11 so when i publish it applies 00:29:12 yea? 00:30:17 yeah, if by crawl-dev you mean 00:30:22 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:30:25 /home/crawl-dev/dgamelaunch-config/ 00:30:28 something like that 00:30:47 as in it looks directly in that directory 00:31:11 mhm 00:31:20 so you edit that config.py and then run the command in step 10, and you should be good 00:31:49 what was configusing is that the script in master is different from the one in the cszo branch, which has config.py included as a target file to publish 00:33:18 ah, and likewise the master branch doesn't have the webtiles script that gets published to /etc/init.d 00:33:28 but cszo branch does, now it makes more sense 00:33:33 yea i think i got the dgl from neil 00:34:18 yeah even the guide has you use that branch of the repo, I guess master just hasn't been brought in sync or generalized from that 00:35:00 you make it sound like there was planning involved with webtiles >.> 00:35:02 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [] 00:35:12 it's all rather ad hoc. 00:35:41 -!- Jessika has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:35:45 yea i figured that much out lol 00:36:01 hey, this particular mess is seperate from the mess that is webtiles! 00:36:09 we have multiple messes 00:36:20 (this is why |amethyst keeps asking about webtiles-changes, as a starting point for making a proper dgl configuration and webtiles setup) 00:37:21 -!- eb has quit [] 00:37:45 hmm, i think i changed the file to the extent that I should have 00:37:50 but nothing seems to have changed 00:38:04 did you publish 00:38:11 with step 10 I think it was 00:38:13 yea 00:38:23 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Client Quit] 00:38:32 well, is the config.py modified in the crawl-master/webserver dir? 00:38:46 it should have all the templates replaced 00:38:53 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:39:00 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 00:40:08 yea all the %% are now absolutes 00:42:12 So running the server produces no output? 00:42:24 You said nothing seems to have changes, so wasn't sure what that meant 00:42:55 yea sorry for being vague. Running the server produces no output 00:43:19 it seems some things are working tho 00:43:32 where i get the latest git updates 00:43:38 but i think that is independent of this 00:44:03 that's what those update scripts are for 00:44:08 the ones you'd cron job 00:44:11 yea 00:44:25 just glad something is working lol 00:44:46 but webtiles isn't working I assume? I'm not sure which command you're running now 00:44:56 the init.d one goes into a daemon 00:44:59 and writes to the log 00:45:08 in fact that's probably in the config, so maybe it's working? 00:45:12 well i just tried sudo PYTHONPATH=/home/crawl-dev/tornado/ python ./server.py and the init.d one 00:45:18 oh yeah 00:45:18 https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/4eezhj/alter_of_ru_contains_a_permanently_blinded/ mentions that the permanently-blind kobold in the ru altar is a PITA if you're ^TSO, because you're not allowed to hit it but it keeps chasing you 00:45:21 those daemonize 00:45:26 so maybe we have a problem there 00:45:28 does anyone think that's a problem worth addressing? 00:45:48 amalloy: make it a monster that can't use doors 00:45:50 Zibudo: oh, you may have a bunch of python processes running 00:45:50 i responded saying it's not, but after having the problem described further it seems to me like something we shouldn't do 00:46:02 Zibudo: you might want to ps x | grep python 00:46:07 chequers: like a blind, uh...adder? 00:46:13 ah heh... it daemonises 00:46:19 i got one: 21094 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto python 00:46:21 I forgot how this config has them daemonise 00:46:27 if it's non-humanoid then TSO doesn't even mind killing it 00:46:29 that's just the grep itself 00:46:36 so I guess they're exiting 00:46:41 amalloy: just four adders in a room. might be dangerous at current depth 00:46:52 ha i didnt even see grep 00:46:59 yea they must be 00:47:04 oh 00:47:09 ps ax | grep python 00:47:29 auwx is the one true ps argument 00:47:33 maybe you're not seeing those for the chuser 00:47:40 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:47:50 nothing for ax or auwx 00:47:59 well I guess they're exiting 00:48:21 are there logs i can check? 00:48:34 chequers: only the blind one is a problem; the others can stay humanoid 00:48:54 you're allowed to attack a mute orc wizard or a corona'd humanoid, and the paralysed guy won't keep bothering you 00:49:10 Zibudo: yeah, in crawl-master/webserver/run/webtiles.log 00:49:20 i think one blind adder is a decent solution 00:49:52 blind monkey 00:50:07 maybe you can do a three monkeys ru vault 00:50:15 oh dang. replace mute orc wizard with mute howler monkey 00:50:34 proposal, have the blind kobold use Apocolypse when you see it, killing itself and probably you 00:50:46 someone give this man a raise 00:50:51 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:50:54 gammafunk, always thinking up out-of-the-box solutions 00:51:08 hmm 00:51:13 when i tail the log 00:51:13 http://puu.sh/ognxw/d3a1452366.png 00:51:15 i get that 00:51:30 looks like it's trying to listen on port 80 00:51:37 is 80 in the config file rather than 8080? 00:51:43 yea 00:51:45 also, it's running? 00:51:48 that would be why it crashes, since apache is already listening on port 80 00:52:09 the tail doesnt update, so i am not sure if its running 00:52:15 Zibudo: can you psaux | grep 00:52:20 for the pid in that pid file it mentions? 00:52:30 ps auxw I guess 00:52:35 webtiles.pid 00:52:54 weird that it'd not write an exit message to the log 00:53:20 sorry the pid in the pid file 00:53:25 yea the pid is 21006 00:53:26 paul 21411 0.0 0.0 12220 944 pts/1 S+ 00:53 0:00 grep --color=auto 21006 00:53:27 not the file itself, hopefully my meaning is clear 00:53:28 and i get that 00:53:36 ok, so yeah probably what chequers said 00:53:44 yea i will try changing that 00:53:47 it's exiting going like: 00:53:48 !shrug 00:53:49 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 00:53:55 and not writing to log 00:54:20 haha basically 00:56:20 ah 00:56:26 here it says it started 00:56:30 but 1 error comes up 00:56:38 just a WARN 00:56:38 Could not write dgl status file: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/crawl-master/webserver/run/status' 00:56:45 assuming I messed up a permission 00:57:17 yup 00:58:47 i got it to stop 01:00:01 so i have the server listening on 8080 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:08 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:10 i should just connect now right? 01:00:30 it's showing in process list? 01:00:32 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest39174 01:00:58 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:01:28 yeah you can try to connect, and it should show up in the process list 01:01:59 oh, did we lose cbro? 01:01:59 the server is showing in the process list 01:02:31 but I put the sites vhost file to redirect to 8080 which i checked is open and all, and i sitll get the first error of connection refused 01:02:41 could you glance at my vhost settings? 01:02:52 sudo netstat -tnalp | grep 8080 01:02:55 what's that show 01:03:24 tcp 0 0 158.69.27.140:8080 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 21852/python 01:03:31 the vhosts thing should be independent of the webtiles server 01:03:43 you should be able to connect right to 8080 in your browser 01:04:25 well i am not running this on my computer 01:04:29 I assume you mean the vhost is sending like port 80 traffic to the :8080 url 01:04:33 -!- Guest39174 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:04:45 Oh, I'm confused as to your setup 01:05:09 it looks like apache redirects http://skarner.top/ to http://skarner.top:8080/ 01:05:13 http://pastebin.com/CT688Yyg 01:05:16 and there i see connection refused 01:05:22 yea 01:05:37 hah 01:05:37 you have apache and nginx running 01:05:40 is that intentional? 01:05:50 do i? 01:06:06 i copied and pasted some stuff from the guide 01:06:08 so maybe 01:06:14 also is your server's firewall configure to allow 8080 traffic? 01:06:31 yea firewall is fine 01:06:39 http://dpaste.com/24N77NP.txt 01:06:43 can you make a connection to 8080 from the shell? 01:06:59 oh 01:07:17 that redirect is skarner.top -> www.skarner.top -> skarner.top:8080 01:07:38 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:07:59 http://158.69.27.140:8080/ also doesn't work 01:08:06 says empty response 01:08:25 yea 01:08:32 interesting 01:08:44 Zibudo: can you tail your webtiles log again? 01:08:48 is it seeing anything 01:08:55 i think your DNS is wrong 01:09:03 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:09:09 skarner.top doesn't point to your server, only www.skarner.top does 01:09:21 15:08:39 Alexs-MacBook-Pro.local ~ $ dig +short skarner.top 01:09:21 162.255.119.249 01:09:22 15:09:15 Alexs-MacBook-Pro.local ~ $ dig +short www.skarner.top 01:09:22 158.69.27.140 01:09:34 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1764-gf4ddf0b (34) 01:09:49 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:10:04 you are right 01:10:11 i wouldn't have thought to check that 01:10:13 thanks! 01:10:44 however the webtiles is getting a new error 01:10:48 " oh, did we lose cbro?" nah 01:10:57 johnstein: yeah, it came back after a bit 01:10:59 http://pastebin.com/Cc3iebFH 01:11:01 just froze for a while 01:11:22 oh 01:11:25 there are CPU and RAM spikes periodically when crawl is running 01:11:38 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:11:47 are you running on solaris Zibudo ? 01:11:49 maybe on game load/save? or other stuff? I haven't ever bothered to try to correlate the spikes 01:12:07 no, just ubuntu for this server 01:12:12 Zibudo: did you set the locale? 01:12:15 yea 01:12:17 but with the influx of players I think the spikes coalesce more frequently, causing general sluggishness more often 01:12:28 sudo update-locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 01:12:37 mhm, i even have it cronned 01:12:44 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:12:59 actually, how are you running this now, through /etc/init.d ? 01:13:06 yes 01:13:07 or just with sudo 01:13:08 oh ok 01:13:10 -!- Alatreon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:13:14 I'm not sure about that latin1 error 01:13:46 is there more to this error, Zibudo ? 01:13:58 I see a traceback start, what was before that? 01:14:08 maybe you need more lines 01:14:13 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:14 tail -n20 01:15:33 it's just the same thing repeated, i am gonna open the whole file and see tho 01:15:59 yeah I wonder if there was an initial error that's different 01:16:19 i see two references to that bug online and they both mention solaris 01:16:24 http://pastebin.com/URE4jytz 01:16:31 that's the beginning 01:16:36 then it repeats the last part 01:16:37 hrm, cbro keeps freezing for me 01:17:02 oh yeah, it's closing the connection, Zibudo 01:17:08 mhm 01:17:13 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:17:24 try sudo apt-get install locales 01:17:40 which just has unicode locales, but i'm pretty out of ideas?_? 01:18:01 yea already got that 01:18:05 locales-all is a dependency 01:18:15 and ncurses-term 01:19:01 yea most of the dependencies 01:19:08 threw errors when compiling a long time before 01:19:12 so i fixed them 01:19:31 i restarted it and the error has not occured yet 01:19:43 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1764-gf4ddf0b (34) 01:19:44 gammafunk, hmm. server stats don't seem out of the ordinary 01:20:17 oh the error happened 01:20:58 gammafunk: you were complaining about your own server this morning -- are you on wifi that coudl be choppy? 01:20:58 johnstein: yeah, it's possible it's my connection 01:21:18 chequers: oh no, that was way back when testing it, and it was definitely the server itself 01:21:48 but I need to look more into why that AWS instance was not very responsive; it might have to do with the default local rc enabling all animations, but I'm not sure 01:22:33 a t2.micro is only like 20% of one cpu baseline, so I'm kind of surprised a t2.small, which is 40% baseline, would be usable 01:23:07 I did run a big objstat on a t2.micro and it ran fun, but just hit that baseline usage, hence it took forever 01:23:47 note that when you have credits the machine behaves almost identically to an uncapped machine 01:23:56 you can see available credits int he instance's cloudwatch graphs 01:24:21 default animations shouldn't cause real issues unless you were on a very small pipe 01:24:23 right, I'm surprised that crawl is not using those credits more 01:24:27 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:24:35 well remember online defaults are not the local defaults 01:24:38 average CPU% for a crawl process is like 1% 01:25:00 oh, local defaults not webtiles defaults? yeah that might be it, I never tested 01:25:03 What I saw was that on a t2.micro my single game was very slow 01:25:10 yeah, so I'll try that 01:25:21 maybe pop open a top/htop session in the background while you play 01:25:29 yeah it was crawl at the top 01:25:48 as in it was utilizing full cpu 01:26:12 was it utilising full cpu as user% or was there a lot of interrupt time? 01:26:22 I'll have to look more carefully when I next test this 01:26:23 the latter indicates you're throttled, if you're too lazy to read cloudwatch 01:26:34 htop with detailed cpu bar is much clearer than top fwiw 01:26:56 though, even when my server has been throttled nobody complains 01:27:00 yeah, like I said my objstat job was definitely getting throttled accordingly; it took like a week to run 01:27:29 probably cheaper to spin up a m3.medium for an hour... or even better use google cloud for that stuff since you're charged in 10min increments 01:27:34 but it's interesting to hear that cpo has such a small instance and is playable, bodes well 01:27:40 yup 01:28:02 oh, will have to check out cloud 01:28:03 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:29:42 Zibudo: sorry, I'm not sure about that encoding error, you might want to ask |amethyst if he's seen it 01:30:12 I am changing a line in the tornado code to see if it will work 01:30:15 gammafunk: if you really want to keep prices down for objstat, use a a spot/preemptible instance for objstat. They're about half the cost 01:31:42 I might look into that; I want the instance more for dev/testing, and the objstat was just to get familiar with the system 01:35:19 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:36:55 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:59 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:37:09 probably not that hard to write a little userscript that boots up an instance, runs objstat and then mails the results to you before terminating the instance 01:37:25 if it's worth doing that to help dev 01:39:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:50:40 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:50:58 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:53:46 Yeah the job is pretty well scripted at this point, to be honest running it periodically and with each release is fine, and for that overnight on my home system is ok 01:53:53 about 15 hours with 4 cores 01:54:48 -!- n1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:55:17 -!- n1 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:55:25 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1764-gf4ddf0b 01:57:03 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 02:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:11 -!- n1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:47 -!- n1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:01:49 -!- n1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:21 -!- n1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:02:35 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:03:20 -!- n1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:05:47 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: o7] 02:08:41 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 02:12:11 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:14:44 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest46953 02:14:46 -!- Guest46953 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:16:07 -!- Zibudo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:16:38 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20:37 -!- yesno has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 02:22:18 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 02:23:24 -!- Zibudo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:29 yo i got it to work ^_^ 02:23:43 :D 02:23:44 how? 02:23:44 i changed the encoding to UTF-8 and it went through 02:23:55 cuz latin1 and UTF-8 are the same 02:23:59 where did you change it? 02:24:04 on line 264 02:24:11 in conf.py? 02:24:11 in the python file 02:24:27 no in tornado 02:24:37 well done 02:24:45 thanks 02:24:46 not really "the same" fwiw, but close enough 02:24:53 i hope 02:28:27 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29:14 latin1 and utf-8 are absolutely not the same 02:30:08 well for my purposes they are 02:30:15 i believe in the benevolent gods 02:30:20 :) 02:30:45 thanks for all your help tho, you people are the nicest devs i've talked to in a while 02:31:03 have fun 02:34:12 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:36:35 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:40:20 -!- Zibudo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:43:05 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:45:11 -!- n1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:32 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 02:49:16 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 02:50:13 learn add famous_last_words latin1 and UTF-8 are the same 02:50:59 finishing the scrollback i now see two other people already said this, but i don't regret attempting to sound clever 02:54:12 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1764-gf4ddf0b 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:05:44 @??deep elf mage 03:05:45 deep elf mage (06e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 35-47 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 570 | Sp: b.cold (3d17), throw icicle (3d17), sum.ice beast, blink / b.draining (3d17), sum.demon, sum.vermin, blink / b.fire (3d17), sticky flame range (3d5), sum.fire elementals, blink / b.lightning (3d16), blink / b.magma (3d17), stone arrow (3d15), sum.earth elemen.. 03:06:09 ??mermaid 03:06:09 mermaid[1/2]: Inhabits the shoals and sewers. Sings a song that can mesmerise you. 03:06:12 ??mermaid[2 03:06:12 mesmerise[1/5]: Being mesmerised means you can't move away from the siren/avatar and cannot go berserk. You can still cast spells. Mesmerisation can be broken by breaking LOS with the siren/avatar; killing or confusing it; using silence; or making a ton of noise (lightning, ?noise, or firestorming yourself(!)). Clarity prevents it and MR resists it. 03:06:14 ??siren 03:06:15 siren[1/4]: Kind of like a {mermaid} but can {mesmerise} you. Can't drown you, but can bring you into shallow water that you'll flounder in. 03:06:25 mermaids are renamed right 03:07:29 ??efreet 03:07:29 efreet[1/1]: A demon bearing a flaming scimitar and capable of impressive pyrotechnics, most notably fireballs that it uses uncritically on friend and foe alike. Also trails joysome clouds of flame to menace passing pedestrians. In ancient times, was sometimes found in bottles for convenience (see {bottled efreet}). 03:07:38 @??efreet 03:07:38 efreet (05R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 31-45 | AC/EV: 10/5 | Dam: 17 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, unholy, fly | Res: 06magic(20), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 357 | Sp: b.fire (3d15) [06!sil], fireball (3d15) [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 03:08:33 -!- Idolo has quit [] 03:08:50 @??bear 03:08:50 can't place dummy monster: "bear" 03:08:54 @??black bear 03:08:54 black bear (02h) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 23-31 | AC/EV: 2/8 | Dam: 9, 5, 5 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 128 | Sp: berserker rage [11!AM, 06!sil, 04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 03:11:16 chequers: merfolk avatar probly 03:11:29 or water nymph 03:12:40 @??giant wasp 03:12:41 unknown monster: "giant wasp" 03:12:45 ??wasp 03:12:45 wasp[1/2]: Terrifying monster that poisons, slows, and paralyzes you. Rendered mostly impotent by poison resistance, otherwise quite deadly. A good target for wands of polymorph, if you lack rPois. 03:15:13 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:20:27 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:20:34 @??treant 03:20:34 unknown monster: "treant" 03:20:39 ?/treant 03:20:39 Matching terms (1): treant 03:20:42 ??treant 03:20:42 shambling mangrove[1/1]: Slow moving but strong plants. They have a 20% chance of containing a band of yellow or red wasps or ravens (they don't count as summons), which will only be released after the shambling mangrove has taken enough damage. They can also use entangling {roots}. 03:21:01 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1764-gf4ddf0b (34) 03:22:19 chequers: looking at dummy monsters? 03:22:36 hacking forest into usable state for dcss-ca 03:22:38 have you considered that in reality... you are the dummy monster?? 03:22:42 whoa!!! 03:22:52 he added it and the game doesn't run -.- 03:22:56 lmao 03:22:56 so i have to update the stupid des myself 03:23:02 just for the sake of 'having a branch named forest', or is there a plan? 03:23:04 ahh 03:23:05 ?/spriggan 03:23:06 Matching terms (16): baked_spriggan, baked_spriggan_corpse, spriggan, spriggan's_knife, spriggan_air_mage, spriggan_baker, spriggan_baker_joke, spriggan_barding, spriggan_berserker, spriggan_challenge, spriggan_defender, spriggan_druid, spriggan_enchanter, spriggan_level, spriggan_reasons, spriggan_rider; entries (64): 78291[2] | adder[1] | agnes[1] | air_elemental[1] | baked_spriggan_corpse[1] | ... 03:23:13 MANY removed monsters in there 03:23:26 yup 03:23:29 many more renamed ones 03:23:42 it was almost as bad getting dwarf up and running 03:23:53 i'd expect dwarf would be worse 03:24:13 dwarf had fewer enemy types, so it was quicker 03:24:21 you might be interested to know I'm replacing spirit wolves with doom hounds 03:24:55 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 03:27:36 lol 03:27:45 gonna be a lot of hells enemies in there 03:27:51 doom hounds, elemental whatevers 03:27:59 both scaled to be nastier than crypt-tier stuff 03:28:04 but w/e balance isn't real 03:28:39 How Can Balance Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real -- Michael Jordan, _Spaceballs_ 03:29:00 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:30:04 ??spriggan baker joke 03:30:04 spriggan baker joke[1/2]: three spriggan bakers walk under a bar 03:30:06 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:34:15 ??spriggan baker joke[2 03:34:15 spriggan baker joke[2/2]: (spriggans are short) 03:34:30 i think branch revival is more "out of interest" for the dev than anything else 03:35:17 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:41:09 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:42:17 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 03:44:36 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:47:31 the entrance to dwarf is on elf:-1 03:53:13 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: o7] 03:53:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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Use !messages to read them. 08:36:29 suddenly I realise I've got lrd as a identifier 08:36:32 !messages 08:36:33 (1/5) |amethyst said (1d 18h 42m 25s ago): blocked the accounts and IP on CSZO and CAO and sent a message to the user on Tavern 08:38:24 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:39:43 !messages 08:39:44 (1/4) |amethyst said (1d 18h 44m 43s ago): (blocked accounts by changing the password, and IP with /sbin/iptables -I INPUT 4 -p tcp --src EVIL.IP.ADDR.HERE -j DROP ) 08:39:47 !messages 08:39:47 (1/3) |amethyst said (1d 18h 44m 17s ago): (err, you'd probably want '1' instead of '4' unless you already have several iptables rules) 08:39:49 !messages 08:39:50 (1/2) |amethyst said (1d 14h 27m 16s ago): same person did the same thing to modargo, glaas, gurmil, and elmdor 08:39:51 !messages 08:39:51 (1/1) bh said (1d 10h 3m 33s ago): if you delete the scorefiles associated with the griefed accounts, when scores get regenerated on akrasiac, the world should go back to normal 08:39:52 !messages 08:39:53 No messages for TZer0. 08:40:15 blocking the IP won't help 08:40:20 seriously, we need some account syncing system :/ 08:42:57 and people need to stop being shit 08:44:01 !tell |amethyst did you mean clear score entries for those users? 08:44:01 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 08:48:15 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:19 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:04:30 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:05:09 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:28 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:18:06 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:19 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:19:27 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:27:15 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:30:47 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:59 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:34:59 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:44:37 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:37 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 09:44:38 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! 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12:30:01 i'm not willing to pay money to read bug reports :P 12:31:13 sa people are so lazy. don't bother filing bugs, because they know i'll see them just reading the thread... 12:32:37 anyway, hrm. here's the problem: wands and rods show up as "Evoke: club" and "evoke: whip" respectively, since auxtype > -1 (it's 0, which is translated into OBJ_WEAPONS) 12:33:10 decks are gonna have the same problem 12:33:54 lmao: they're "evoke: hammer" 12:35:20 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:35:35 rip hammers 12:37:48 count_action(caction_type, int) is the problem, I think, since we want to be storing -1 in the upper 4 bytes, but instead we're storing 0 12:37:53 (implicitly) 12:38:04 probably that function just shouldn't be exposed 12:38:26 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:41:06 also, boo to "1 means reflected" 12:41:17 you use enums for literally everything else, but raw int literals here? 12:41:34 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:42:12 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:04 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:53 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 12:56:48 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:05 -!- Twiggytwiggytwi_ has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:58:48 ugh, count_action() being in player.h for no reason means everything recompiles whenever I change anything 12:58:52 gripe gripe gripe -- me, now 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03:33 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:38 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1764-gf4ddf0b (34) 13:10:44 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:10:46 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 13:12:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:12:48 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:15:20 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 13:16:27 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:22:16 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:23:18 -!- insecticide2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:25:26 this bug is probably impossible to fix. 13:27:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:28:49 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:13 maybe we should store ( base_type + 1 ) for the auxtype 13:30:21 and then check if auxtype is >0 13:31:27 ok i think i fixed it 13:31:29 what a PITA 13:33:20 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1765-g62c9655: Move count_action out of player.cc 10(18 minutes ago, 15 files, 45+ 36-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/62c96558818d 13:33:20 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1766-g48885bc: Don't claim to evoke hammers (WorldFamousW) 10(73 seconds ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/48885bca65be 13:35:08 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:39:49 -!- nonethousand is now known as n1 13:39:51 so... 13:39:58 TSO doesn't dislike drinking blood more than other good gods 13:40:11 but TSO "strongly" dislikes it while the rest just dislike it 13:40:28 in a description? 13:40:45 yeah 13:40:58 just a funny thing 13:41:06 isn't that stuff automatically generated? or where is this 13:41:07 i'm working on the code right now so i'll fix it myself 13:41:15 i'm making it autogenerated :o 13:41:24 aha, nice 13:42:46 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:43:15 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:44:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:44:12 ! 13:50:02 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:52:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1767-g8e661cf: Use an enum for special block types 10(22 seconds ago, 5 files, 33+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8e661cf19045 13:52:44 oops 13:53:04 ignore that commit, please 13:53:09 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:55:42 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1768-g4279c04: Finish moving action type enums 10(29 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4279c04f24eb 13:55:50 there we go. 13:58:34 -!- WWWWW has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:07:33 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:08:16 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:08:39 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:18 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:13:18 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:16:15 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:42 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:24 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I'm still concerned that the god feels very one-dimensional, given that the powers are basically "use wands more" and "make evoker stronger" 16:50:59 (there's another commit whose message contains "reddit", but it's "Yreddites") 16:52:53 -!- insecticide2 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:54:47 -!- thrig has quit [Changing host] 16:55:45 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:55:45 -!- Cacheline has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:55:55 -!- Cacheline_ is now known as Cacheline 16:57:41 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:58:35 Well, I tend to actually enjoy playing gods that lend themselves to a more focused play style 16:59:21 sif's focused "learn every magical school" 16:59:33 well if you're bad at crawl you'll do that 16:59:51 sif gifts based on your skilling 16:59:56 -!- 32NAATBZI has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:15 so "learn every magical school" might mean "learn a bit of charms and translocations" but it doesn't have to be crazy 17:02:02 gammafunk: I'm a little concerned that all Pak chars feel pretty similar. I know the same is fairly true of Trog as well, but I don't really want to extend that. 17:02:17 tho reduced gifting might make that somewhat less true 17:02:33 Well, I guess I would ask what is the similarity of Pak chars? 17:02:39 Is it that they can't use too many spells? 17:03:40 It's true that this is the case, and it's a bit like trog, although clearly different in that you certainly can make use of spells 17:03:52 I think with the magic pot gifting you can probably make more use of spells than you could before 17:04:17 even wtihout the magic pot gifting I was able to use stuff like silence, aura of abj and regen on my haas 17:04:25 Yeah 17:04:52 even with the magic pot gifting i never really cast anything with my ogcj =p 17:05:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 17:05:30 although that has a lot to do with 200 large rocks and a +7 gsc being considerably better than anything you're feasibly going to cast with an ogre 17:05:38 It seems to me the criticism of pak might be "are evocations interesting enough to use that focusing on them while lessening the ability to cast spells as a tradeoff makes for a good experience" 17:05:57 i like pak, it's just.....a little boring 17:06:23 which isn't to say there's no room for gods who have "powerful but kinda boring" as their schtick 17:06:27 I think you can argue that evocations are interesting enough by crawl's standards 17:06:42 because oka is basically designed around the concept of powerful but boring 17:06:51 Not to say that our standards are the same over time, like we're looking to improve the ranged experience and we've made big changes to summoning 17:06:57 in the past, I mean 17:07:01 right 17:07:39 my only regret about the summoning changes was that i wasn't good enough at the game to really abuse summons when they were totally overpowered =p 17:07:53 i mean, all those changes made sense and probably made summoning a good deal more interesting 17:07:55 Well there's good news: summons are still overpowered! 17:08:05 instead of "summon 80 scorpions and head downstairs with them" 17:08:34 hahaha, one day i will advance far enough with a summoner to verify that 17:08:36 Allies in crawl will probably never be really balanced without some big changes to the game, I think 17:09:22 i don't think they're in a ridiculously bad spot now though 17:09:55 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 17:10:00 Yeah, it's just subjective, what is ridiculously bad. They're less bad than they were, absolutely 17:10:19 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:42 yeah. but i feel like the allies you get from evokables are in a pretty good place 17:10:55 mainly because they're not renewable except for rod of shadows 17:11:12 and rod of shadows needs a lot of skill before it reliably gives good allies 17:12:31 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:13:11 I guess a future direction for crawl could be moving all gods away from strongly encouraging specific play styles, or at least be something we apply to all new gods 17:13:57 -!- sorlin has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:14:33 heh, i might not be the best judge of that, since pretty much every game i've won has turned into the same basic character archetype 17:14:48 with i suppose the exception of the tecj i had with tornado 17:15:12 but even that had fda and a shield and a pretty good long blade 17:16:06 gammafunk: I think Pak chars feel similar in that they 1) generally have a bunch of good rods, 2) have a ton of other wands and evocables, and 3) can get through the game pretty much using that and that alone. 17:16:27 gammafunk: maybe the gifting of the god has been limited to the point where that's no longer true 17:16:40 Yeah, namely they'll only get one rod from pak 17:16:46 oh, is it exactly one now? 17:16:49 yes 17:16:56 well 17:17:00 did mpa's commits get merged? 17:17:08 I think so 17:17:16 I don't know how many commits you mean :) 17:17:24 yes 17:17:33 %git e8d13878da 17:17:33 07MarvinPA02 {PleasingFungus} * 0.18-a0-1758-ge8d1387: Rework Pakellas gifting 10(30 hours ago, 3 files, 151+ 63-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e8d13878da4b 17:17:38 Have you seen that one? 17:17:40 yeah, that's the one I was thinking of 17:17:44 I skimmed it 17:17:49 There are fixed gifts of one item at each piety breakpoint 17:17:51 and that's it 17:18:08 so with the final rod gift, no more pak gifts 17:18:17 =O 17:19:29 hrm, MPA doesn't precisely describe the gifting process in the commit message 17:19:36 but I think it's one weaker wand, one fixed charge misc, one stronger wand, one evoker, one rod 17:19:55 ah, so it's low wand, low misc, high wand, high misc, rod. 17:20:11 :p you got there first 17:20:33 what falls into the "low misc" category? 17:20:34 Well, at least then you'll get different mixes of items 17:20:34 yeah, although high misc can include disc of storms 17:20:42 ProzacElf: sack of spiders, box of beasts, phantom mirror 17:20:51 ah 17:21:00 those are all good 17:21:04 heh, what's funny is that those are as powerful or more so than high misc 17:21:15 yeah 17:21:16 yeah 17:21:18 but limited use 17:21:18 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:21:24 but still, definitely an improvement 17:21:27 yeah 17:21:29 probably so 17:21:36 it's not like you can spam anything in "high misc" except the disc though 17:21:39 and no gifts of /hw or /hasting 17:21:44 none at all? 17:21:47 nope 17:21:51 what qualifies as a high wand then? 17:21:55 like acid? 17:22:00 and acid and tele? 17:22:00 high wands are para, iceblast, enslave, acid 17:22:03 no tele either 17:22:08 nor dig/disint 17:22:09 oh, para and enslave are good 17:22:09 Fundamentally I think Pak is about the excitement of power -- you get a bunch of powerful toys and the toys are a little more powerful. You don't really get to do anything new, just normal stuff. 17:22:10 for low 17:22:22 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:22:32 i don't like iceblast but i'll concede that it's slightly better than /fireball 17:22:38 s/a little more powerful/a little more powerful than they would be for a normal char/ 17:23:13 well, having those toys sooner is the new thing you get to do 17:23:24 and of course the toys are different when you can get up to 3x enhancer 17:23:33 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:23:33 and use them more often 17:23:55 yup, agreed 17:24:36 Sif has a similar dynamic with gifting, but also gives channeling, which does meaningfully change how you interact with spells. 17:24:37 But I'm defending the god's design a bit as devil's advocate. I'd concede it's not really a necessary addition 17:24:47 recharge meaningfully changes how you interact with evocables 17:24:54 is there any god that is necessary? 17:24:56 PleasingFungus: well, with wands, yeah 17:25:10 with wands and rods 17:25:23 rods less so, i think 17:25:29 gammafunk: in experience it's not that impressive w/ rods 17:25:33 No god or feature is necessary, really, but 'necessary' means 'do we need to add this' 17:25:55 the recharge? I've certainly used it 17:26:00 I mean it's more shots with the rod 17:26:18 i never really bothered using the quick charge on rods 17:26:18 like before you had 3 shadow creatures now you can have 6 17:26:23 but i also had like 5 rods 17:26:26 And I need six!!!!! 17:26:39 so i could carpet bomb with clouds and then fire iron and inacc 17:26:57 and then everything would generally be dead before i needed to move on to ignition or whatever 17:27:07 ProzacElf: true, but now you can't do that anymore 17:27:12 thanks to the reduced gifting 17:27:14 Yeah, I think for sure MPA has improved the situation, and I'll see myself my next pak game, which I need anyhow 17:27:22 well, even then about half the rods i got i just found on the ground 17:27:26 unless you find a gadget store or get lucky w/ loot 17:27:26 I was just wondering if we think this change means Pak is go for release 17:27:33 and it's not like they get less useful just because they weren't gifted 17:27:38 yup 17:27:39 I would guess the answer is yes, but was wondering what others thought 17:27:52 that gifting change probably makes sense 17:27:59 I think there's no one strongly saying no 17:28:07 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 17:28:08 i mean, even though i found a bunch of rods i did get an /hw and at least 2 rods from pak that run too 17:28:08 gammafunk: I'm not going to stand in the way of a Pak release, but I'm not excited about it 17:28:11 i still want to look at the magic potion thing 17:28:20 since i haven't played since it was added 17:28:28 mmm...yeah, with my ogcj it felt like i was getting an awful lot of them 17:28:28 Yeah re both excitement (as in I understand a lack of it) and the magic pot situation 17:28:29 and i'm vaguely worried that it's another Evocables Stacking situation 17:28:35 I noticed a dude playing had a *lot* of them 17:28:35 I haven't had a chance to play the new Pak potions either 17:28:38 although that may have been related to how little i was actually using my mp 17:29:06 also, to be fair, i was playing under that version of pak solely to abuse supercharging my TLA 17:29:10 Can you scum the potions of magic? If you do, can you hold onto them after switching gods? 17:29:29 afaik yes and yes 17:29:38 how much do we care about scumming, tho 17:29:39 really 17:29:43 Please don't give piginabag another way to spell out 'fuck you gammafunk', Lasty_ 17:29:47 yes to both. although i feel like pak wrath destroyed some of the potions 17:29:54 gammafunk: I'm trying to avoid giving him that! 17:30:33 also, i'm pretty sure you can avoid getting the enchantment level of your rods housed by pak wrath if you just drop them until the wrath goes away 17:30:47 which doesn't seem like it's desirable 17:30:57 correct 17:31:01 ??pakellas_wrath 17:31:01 pakellas wrath[1/1]: ABANDONMENT: 25 penance. RETRIBUTION: Random drains of your wands, rods, elemental evokers, or you if none of the above are possible. If abandoned, blocks MP regen for the duration of wrath, and 1/20 evokes will trigger a miscast (but the item still works). 17:31:18 PleasingFungus: I think we should care a lot about safe scumming. Being able to stockpile magic potions would be really good if you ever actually ran into a challenge while worshipping Pak 17:31:30 what is safe scumming 17:31:30 which I suppose might be possible now 17:31:41 Scumming in a situation where you aren't in any danger 17:31:43 !lg * pak recent / won 17:31:44 222/4991 games for * (pak recent): N=222/4991 (4.45%) 17:31:46 i mean 17:31:57 the way you get magic potions is by killing things while at full mp 17:31:58 As opposed to say abyssscumming, which isn't safe unless you're strong enough to win anyway 17:32:24 if you don't use pak's powers, then you probably have full mp, but it seems like there's obvious downsides to that 17:32:28 in terms of the utility of the god 17:33:05 OTOH if you're strictly in it for the gifts, then you have a ton of !magic for later and the stuff he gifted you 17:33:16 Well, if you're level 20, you can probably scum lair and orc until they run out of monsters without actually being in danger. Doing so would get you a ton of potions, given that you would never need to spend mana while doing so. 17:33:20 well said gifts are a lot less useful after you abandon 17:33:21 for some fairly low grade wrath if you drop the stuff that can get depowered 17:34:09 well, being with pak also allows you to stockpile every ?recharge you come across 17:34:37 so i mean, less useful, sure, but i don't know if they're "a lot" less useful 17:34:56 1/20 evokes triggering a miscast is going to be painful 17:34:59 i only used device surge maybe a dozen times over 2 games ayway 17:35:00 -!- themonkeybob11 has quit [Client Quit] 17:35:11 if regret-index was here, they would argue that the problem is that lair and orc have no OODs to speak of 17:35:15 not sure how bad those miscasts are in practice 17:35:25 !source mon-pick-data.h 17:35:25 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-pick-data.h 17:35:31 not sure either. i wasn't really using my evokables when i was under wrath 17:35:35 PleasingFungus: well, that's true too 17:35:53 ProzacElf: sounds like your evokes were a lot less useful! 17:35:58 haha 17:35:59 PleasingFungus: arguably every part of the game should have a chunk of the OoD timer that is scary enough to kill any char. 17:35:59 true 17:36:09 plausible 17:36:09 but they were perfectly useful AFTER the wrath was done 17:36:14 gammafunk: he had +72 TLA, so . . . 17:36:19 =D 17:36:19 could probably extend orc spawn table with giants, lair with whatever shows up in lair zigs. would make normal play of the branches more dangerous, tho 17:36:36 orc already spawns stone giants and ettins periodically 17:36:37 PleasingFungus: I don't really see that as a downside 17:36:47 Well, remember how the spawns are chosen, wrt ood 17:36:53 it randomly increases the depths some times 17:36:57 yeah they're in the spawn tables 17:36:59 in fact, the last time i was in orc, an ettin appeared out of thin air 17:37:06 PleasingFungus: but I don't think that alone would fix the way that killing mundane monsters gives you permanent bonuses w/ Pak. 17:37:09 luckily i had tukima's 17:37:10 =p 17:37:11 lol 17:37:22 for normal spawns, they can be ood, so you're going to start seeing those crazier monsters on level generation 17:38:02 i still think my all time favorite crazy monster on level gen was my d:2 shapeshifter 17:38:12 Is it possible to bury them deep enough in the spawn level list to make that not true? 17:38:16 i will take pains to point out that this was not a xom run 17:38:16 This is an aside, but in one of my recent games I had a slime creature on lair:8 that definitely wasn't part of the vault 17:38:28 Can the slime stairs generate that from out of los? 17:38:28 probably wandered upstairs? 17:38:32 gammafunk: yes 17:38:40 gammafunk: I've had azure jellies come out that way 17:38:42 ah, I'd thought it was only if stairs were in los 17:38:47 i had an open slime entrance on lair:7 once that had azures and a death ooze come out 17:38:57 made navigating back and forth to lair:8 a blast 17:38:58 fun times 17:39:00 -!- PleasingFungus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:40:05 Lasty: the problem isn't "permanent bonuses from mundane monsters", several already exist; the problem is that the benefit is independent of the xp value of the monsters, since trivial monsters being worth negligible xp is the reason that scumming is usually not worthwhile 17:40:18 yes, agreed 17:40:34 I meant to capture some of that nuance w/ "mundane", but failed 17:40:47 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:40:47 fr: mythical monsters 17:40:55 their names are purple in the monster list 17:40:57 otherwise no effect 17:41:12 also they get names 17:41:16 -!- droogie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:41:16 -!- wmbt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:41:22 you can probably pull them straight from the list of ancestor names 17:41:43 PleasingFungus_: How's H coming along? 17:41:45 random name generation was born for this 17:41:47 You see here Arsenoe the six-headed hydra 17:41:52 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:41:52 -!- Cacheline has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:41:52 -!- fearless has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:41:53 -!- Cenon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:41:54 -!- Cacheline_ is now known as Cacheline 17:41:56 Lasty_: haven't touched in in two months 17:41:56 -!- PleasingFungus_ is now known as PleasingFungus 17:42:14 thinking about picking it up after feature freeze 17:42:19 i've only tried H long enough to actually get my ancestor 3 times 17:42:25 and twice i got the name Arsenoe 17:42:30 the odds of that are 17:42:33 which i of course changed to Arsenio 17:42:33 exceptionally low 17:42:41 lol 17:42:56 i figured it was just dumb luck 17:44:04 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:44:06 1/160 chance 17:44:25 There are only 160 ancestor names? 17:44:46 i haven't done a full count 17:45:07 two genders, five 'ethnicities' (egyptian, roman, etc), 16 female egyptian names 17:45:24 not all names are equally likely 17:45:35 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:45:37 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:46:22 line count suggests something on the order of 160 names. 17:46:58 fair nuff 17:47:26 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:47:45 i was soliciting more names, and people did offer possible sources, but the problem was trying to get 'archaic' names, rather than ones still in use 17:48:02 which is my perhaps-silly constraint 17:48:28 Don't use the name "Mark", that guy keeps showing up in my status lights when I step on an alarm trap 17:49:07 hahaha 17:50:20 imo 160 is a pretty good pool, tho 17:50:28 you're gonna see way more orcs than ancestors 17:50:54 and there are only maybe half that many orc names 17:51:13 little more than half. 17:51:44 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:53:27 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:24 Yeah, that seems fine 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:10 counter-point: the orcs get cooler names 18:01:44 -!- removemottled has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:03:02 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:09 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:04:42 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:07:09 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:02 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:09:49 -!- n1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:06 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:10:38 -!- vermi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:11:10 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:11:10 -!- _fortis has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:14:46 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1773-gec4f98e (34) 18:15:26 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:16:34 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 18:28:14 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:33 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:34:07 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:46:27 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:54 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:49:31 -!- neongrey has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:49:39 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 18:51:01 -!- techieAgnostic has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4-dev] 18:53:07 this is my first time being in dis since iron giants were added. it's substantially more challenging 18:56:13 Guess we lost sequell 18:56:14 !lg * cv=0.18-a hells s=ikiller 18:56:14 ??test 18:56:16 noo 18:56:23 amalloy: they're currently the most lethal thing in hells 18:56:37 probably getting nerfed before release 18:56:44 wow, really? 18:56:45 until then, watch out! 18:56:46 yes 18:56:49 they're above hell sentinels 18:57:05 test[1/40]: blaargh blaargh blaargh blaargh blaargh 18:57:07 344 games for * (cv=0.18-a hells): 58x the effects of Hell, 45x an iron giant, 36x a Hell Sentinel, 33x a Brimstone Fiend, 26x a hellion, 25x Antaeus, 18x, 16x the Serpent of Hell, 11x a doom hound, 9x Ereshkigal, 8x Asmodeus, 8x a reaper, 5x an Ice Fiend, 4x a shard shrike, 4x a lich, 4x an ancient lich, 3x a blizzard demon, 3x an ice dragon, 3x a war gargoyle, 3x a balrug, 2x an elemental wellsp... 18:57:13 having all relevant skills at 27 (Be reasons) has enabled me to deal with them 18:57:18 ty for backing me up, sequell. 18:57:23 by spamming the heck out of }spiders and }floods 18:57:26 that counts their bands, fwiw 18:57:40 !lg * current trunk hells s=killer 18:57:44 343 games for * (current trunk hells): 57x an iron giant, 48x a Brimstone Fiend, 37x a Hell Sentinel, 31x a hellion, 25x Antaeus, 18x, 15x a reaper, 11x the Serpent of Hell, 8x a doom hound, 8x a stone giant, 7x an Ice Fiend, 7x a shard shrike, 6x Ereshkigal, 5x Asmodeus, 4x an ice dragon, 4x a shadow dragon, 4x a balrug, 3x a war gargoyle, 3x a lich, 3x a Shadow Fiend, 3x a bone dragon, 3x an anc... 18:57:48 lmao 18:57:54 but apparently their bands don't do that much 18:58:07 that reminds me, i think there's exactly one unique in the game i've never killed 18:58:28 !lm amalloy uniq=ignacio 18:58:29 2. [2015-06-07 09:05:11] amalloy the Worldbinder (L27 DrSu of The Shining One) killed Ignacio on turn 123192. (Pan) 18:58:32 haha, i wasn't surprised that they were the most lethal thing in hells 18:58:44 i was surprised that they might get nerfed pre-release 18:58:49 !lg * depths current trunk !boring xl>=17 turns>40000 s=ikiller% 18:58:50 892 games for * (depths current trunk !boring xl>=17 turns>40000): 79x an iron giant (8.86%), 64x a spark wasp (7.17%), 43x a caustic shrike (4.82%), 36x a stone giant (4.04%), 35x a frost giant (3.92%), 34x a fire giant (3.81%), 29x a spriggan air mage (3.25%), 28x a spriggan berserker (3.14%), 25x a lich (2.80%), 23x a titan (2.58%), 23x a juggernaut (2.58%), 21x a yaktaur captain (2.35%), 21x a... 18:58:54 !lg * current trunk hells s=br 18:58:58 !lg * current !trunk hells s=br 18:59:01 343 games for * (current trunk hells): 145x Dis, 78x Geh, 71x Coc, 49x Tar 18:59:02 216 games for * (current !trunk hells): 77x Dis, 67x Coc, 58x Geh, 14x Tar 18:59:07 ^ this is kind of nuts 18:59:08 wow, spark wasps are that high on the depths list? 18:59:08 looks like they're the top killer in depths 18:59:12 yeah, those bands 18:59:20 if you don't have relec and deal with that 18:59:23 wow, that is a scary comparison 18:59:30 i mean, spark wasps suck, no doubt about it 18:59:42 but i'm surprised that they're that far ahead of shrikes 18:59:58 i always wind up getting killed by some giant or dragon in depths 19:00:01 well caustic shrikes did get nerfed to have smaller bands 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:09 so my deaths look significantly more boring than they actually are 19:00:11 the bands will really get you when each monster in the band is pretty dangerous 19:00:38 since it's usually one of those jerks that wanders in after i've already been busily running for my life from shrikes/iron giants/wasps/whatever horrid group you've got 19:01:01 spark wasps have a lot you can do to mitigate them though 19:01:10 don't sinv, have good resists, low mr 19:01:15 er don't have good resists 19:01:28 heh, i loudly complained when they had great resists 19:02:15 I don't think iron giants need a massive nerf, but I can see an adjustment being reasonable 19:02:21 i think it was something along the lines of "i should at least be able to kill ONE of these wasps if they're all sitting in freezing clouds and i'm hitting the ones nearest to me" 19:03:03 gammafunk: the numbers don't lie, gammafunk! 19:03:05 @??iron giant 19:03:05 iron giant (10C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 176-253 | AC/EV: 18/2 | Dam: 75 | 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown | XP: 5546 | Sp: iron shot (3d37), throw [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 19:03:12 jeez 19:03:26 the iron shot is really what gets me 19:03:36 PleasingFungus: PleasingFungus, don't you understand how numbers mislead people like PleasingFungus, PleasingFungus?! 19:03:37 although that 75 dam doesn't include the gsc they always have either 19:03:53 gammafunk: i'm cosplaying berder 19:03:59 1learn add 19:04:01 or whoever it was who did sequell queries for any question 19:04:05 hm 19:04:10 yeah he was a big fan of that 19:04:14 heh 19:04:23 cute idea: reduce iron giant speed to 7 or 8 19:04:41 they're ranged monsters! they're allowed to be slow! 19:04:47 ug 19:05:01 they're probably not gonna get poison needle kited 19:05:14 also lasty's poison needle nerf is insanely brutal 19:06:18 @??titan 19:06:18 titan (06C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 84-128 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 55 | 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(180), 11elec+++, 12drown | XP: 2591 | Sp: b.lightning (3d24), minor healing (2d10), airstrike (0-50) | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 19:07:07 check out the hp/ac situation 19:07:33 though ofc the minor healing makes it a little closer than that appears (: 19:08:42 i was going to suggest that they maybe didn't have to be speed 10 19:08:57 also, yes to lasty's needle nerf 19:09:01 The good news is that SifMuna was unregistered on every server, and now it's mine 19:09:06 he claims "a little skill goes a long way" 19:09:27 haha 19:09:29 but i didn't pick up blowguns and needles to TRAIN them and then not use them 19:09:32 gammafunk: are you sure you got EVERY server? 19:09:36 yep 19:09:39 even cdo 19:09:42 i just pick them up to take up inventory space and not use them! 19:09:46 cwz? 19:09:51 whatever the japanese one is? 19:09:53 ddo 19:09:59 lld 19:10:03 is the jp one 19:10:08 what about the server in my back yard 19:10:17 yeah, cwz is the korean one 19:10:17 I got cpo, lld, cwz, cxc, cue, cao, cbro, cdo 19:10:20 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:21 are you the guy who registered "root"? 19:10:24 i just couldn't remember lld 19:10:30 dbro! 19:10:32 ??ddo 19:10:33 I don't have a page labeled ddo in my learndb. Did you mean: cdo, dd. 19:10:40 I think ddo was the name of the old jp server 19:10:43 but it's lld now 19:10:49 "lazy-life" 19:11:08 great name for a server tbh 19:11:25 amalloy: No, I'm user with id 1000 19:11:27 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:11:32 (that user is amalloy) 19:11:42 yeah you're right 19:11:44 sry 19:12:00 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:48 -!- Query42 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:12:52 these iron giants are running me out of ?recharging 19:12:55 how am i going to do tomb 19:13:01 pls nerf extended 19:13:48 speaking of which, i have 13 runes and haven't found a single ?acq. the devs have conspired to make the game harder in trunk! this simply cannot be randomness 19:15:12 totally agree 19:15:12 For a 15-rune game excluding zig/abyss/pan, acquirement gets 3.8 on average, ranging from 0-13 19:15:31 You should be excited for the potential 0 acquirement game, very rare 19:15:34 zigpabyss 19:15:52 how do you get 15 runes excluding pan and abyss? =p 19:15:53 a 13 acquire scroll game would bore you to tears 19:16:17 i had a game where i didn't see my first ?blink until i hit gloorx's level 19:16:24 that's got to be some sort of achievement 19:16:41 we can't do objstat well for abyss or pan 19:16:54 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:17:12 so that average is an underestimate 19:17:15 heh 19:17:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:34 i didn't even realize i hadn't found one until then. and it was all like "you've identified the last scroll!" 19:17:34 -!- jefus_ is now known as jefus 19:17:34 however, with fixed pan... 19:18:52 it is impossible to fix pan. 19:19:13 We removed Pan I thought??? 19:19:23 har 19:31:53 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:38:10 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:25 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:36 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:38:51 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 19:39:02 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:40:14 -!- FireSight has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:41:50 -!- simmarine__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:45:24 PleasingFungus: is the needle nerf too insanely brutal? 19:45:46 -!- Floodkiller has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:54 i mean, they basically do nothing at 0 throwing skill. which i think was the intent. idk how they work at 3 throwing skill or w/e 19:48:00 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:49:36 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:49:40 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:26 you ran him out of town PF! 19:51:11 rip 19:51:14 guess he ran out of... 19:51:16 time 19:53:02 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:53:56 -!- Query42 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:55:11 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:55:35 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest11386 19:56:15 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:17 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 19:57:29 I was so upset at PF that I had to go! 19:57:29 also my network went down 19:57:31 but that's a coincidence 19:58:11 yes....a coincidence 20:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:31 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:06:08 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:08:29 !messages 20:08:30 No messages for bh. 20:09:18 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:33 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:06 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:40 -!- advil has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:23 I played a pak game with magic potions and ended with a ton of them...that might say more about me than pak though 20:17:36 17 at end of game, I had in the high 20s in endgame 20:17:59 I would have probably used a lot more if pak weren't gifting so many wands in that incarnation? 20:18:08 i.e. I would have recharged more and tossed wands less 20:20:46 (also, I did not by any means find him boring, quite fun in fact) 20:20:57 (but fairly op in that version) 20:23:43 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:28:04 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:28:46 -!- Zibudo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:46 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:42 hey once again, so the webtiles server is running fine and I can connect through the website, but it just says welcome, and trying to register and login creates an error saying rc and morgue are not initialized, but I am confused on what it wants to be initialized if that makes sense 20:30:50 here is an interesting trivia question: what does it mean when "You hear a deep rumble." 20:31:38 because I know i created system links for the files in /var/www where my website runs its document root, but I am not sure where else I should edit the server config 20:31:57 (followup: why is this different from "You hear a deep rumbling!"?) 20:32:29 did you cause the deep rumble in scenario 1, and in scenario 2 you were not the cause? 20:34:16 in neither case does the player directly cause the rumble, and the two different rumbling sounds "mean" totally different things 20:35:40 does the first scenario refer to an environmental change, while the second is a monster? 20:36:25 yes indeed 20:36:35 did i win :o 20:37:36 well, it's not really a trivia contest, so much as a rhetorical question: "Why does the expiration of Tomb of Dorokhle (or Imprison) use a message with the same meaning but in a different tense as when an ushabti shouts" 20:38:02 it's an immersive experience 20:38:37 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:38:45 let the crawlcode flow through you 20:39:19 crawl rhetorical questions are broadly similar to trivia contests anyway 20:39:45 like "why does the demon of the infinite void stare at you when an acquirement call comes up with nothing?" 20:39:55 s/stare/smile/ 20:40:02 ah, yes 20:40:06 and probably upon you 20:40:13 or in my case apparently it was a xom effect 20:40:25 and yes, if it's smiling it's probably smiling upon you 20:40:40 -!- themonkeybob11 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:40:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 20:42:01 !seen |amethyst 20:42:01 I last saw |amethyst at Mon Apr 11 22:34:56 2016 UTC (2d 2h 7m 5s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: leaving'. 20:42:05 "you should probably put a report on mantis if you saw that message" "xom was gifting me something, then i saw that message, and xom said 'never mind!'" "oh, xom? don't bother, there's probably a specific xom case for that" 20:44:40 -!- punpun has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:45:28 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:47:55 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:50:01 yes, that's special cased for xom 20:51:04 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:51:38 well, i certainly wasn't going to put up the world's dumbest mantis report anyway =p 20:51:45 but good to know that it's special cased 20:54:11 anyone know where a file named crawl-stable-launcher.sh would be 20:55:23 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:56:26 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:47 -!- themonkeybob11 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:56:47 -!- techieAgnostic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:57:04 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 20:57:05 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:57:36 huh...why does player::res_elec multiply player_res_electricity by 2? 20:57:43 I'm sure there's some obvious and good reason for that 20:59:13 ??relec 20:59:13 relec[1/1]: Reduces electrical damage to 1/3, 1/6, 0 by level (but players can only get level 1). Available from potions of resistance, staff of air, storm dragon armour, statue form, mutations and artefacts. 20:59:30 aha 20:59:32 there it is 20:59:32 having rElec reduces damage to 1/3, which is how much rF++ reduces it to 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:51 ??cbro 21:03:51 cbro[1/4]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org. Use glyph/sigil ^ for bots 21:08:17 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:09:52 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:20 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:15:07 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:15:28 -!- themonkeybob11 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:15:33 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:22:09 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:24:15 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 21:24:37 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:08 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Quit: Evablue_] 21:29:02 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:29:40 -!- IceBlind is now known as FireSight 21:30:36 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:48 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:31:09 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:31:48 Tavern is in an uproar over Spellbook description culling 21:33:18 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:33:43 gammafunk could you assist me with my server, it says it cannot iniatilize rc and morgue when a user logs in 21:33:57 It generates a %Player_name%.rc file 21:34:05 and it exists, but I am lost on this one 21:34:09 gammafunk: yeah because that's the biggest issue of the day 21:34:46 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Client Quit] 21:34:54 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:35:16 Zibudo: that's the user util command that gets run for new accounts 21:35:26 Zibudo: it's in the util folder of dgamelaunch-config 21:35:31 I believe the guide does mention it? 21:35:54 you might need to make it executable and readable for the crawl uid that you use 21:36:01 and verify that it's in place 21:36:15 Lasty: Without flavor, we have no reason to even play!!! 21:36:16 what would be the file name 21:36:32 er, it's not in util let me see 21:36:51 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:37:13 Zibudo: init_player_program = "/bin/init-webtiles.sh" 21:37:22 here /bin is in the chroot 21:37:26 mhm 21:37:36 and there might be a problem with your rc dir 21:37:42 permission-wise 21:37:52 check that this user can create files in that directory 21:37:58 -!- bencryption has quit [Client Quit] 21:38:12 yea the file exists in that directory 21:38:14 it's probably an issue with a higher level dir 21:38:18 but permission wise? 21:38:22 checking 21:38:24 it needs rwx for the crawl uid 21:38:37 I would check all those dirs 21:38:38 the rc dir? is that in dgldir 21:38:49 hrm, I forget where in the conf that is set 21:39:11 because I have /dgldir/rcfiles 21:39:20 where rcfiles are created for the versions 21:39:29 which is working at the moment 21:39:50 New branch created: pull/254 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/254 21:39:50 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/254 * 0.18-a0-1732-gee5cc08: Prevent elemental adaptation at max resists 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ee5cc08d4769 21:39:53 yes 21:40:16 what about morgue? 21:40:20 dgldir/data/ dgldir/dumps/ dgldir/morgue/ dgldir/rcfiles/ dgldir/ttyrec/ 21:40:27 that's there too yea 21:40:28 each of those I guess 21:40:29 all those 21:40:34 they all have rwx for crawl uid? 21:40:46 I forget if each version gets a subdir 21:40:56 oh 21:41:04 "Create the following set of directories for each crawl version you will support: 21:41:04 yea I have them under www-data because the guide says it may need to edit that 21:41:06 really boring PR...something that I noticed comes up more now that adaptation actually works in the late game 21:41:07 " 21:41:13 dgldir/inprogress/crawl-git-sprint/ dgldir/inprogress/crawl-git-tut/ dgldir/inprogress/crawl-git-zotdef/ dgldir/inprogress/crawl-git/ dgldir/rcfiles/crawl-git/ dgldir/data/crawl-git-settings/ 21:41:15 and www-data group contains crawl 21:41:21 yes i did all that 21:41:48 and rwx is on group permission for those? 21:41:55 yea they are 775 21:42:05 maybe it's the script itself that's not running 21:42:15 for data, and inprogress 21:42:20 should www-data be able to see that? 21:42:30 cuz those specifically are only root:root 21:43:01 yeah those would need perms for crawl uid iirc 21:43:10 data are like the des files, all the supporting data 21:43:19 yea crawl has access to all that 21:43:42 you might want to toy around with running that init script 21:43:48 the webtiles one 21:43:51 see if you can run it as the crawl user, does it give an error 21:43:55 yeah, the webtiles user init script 21:44:07 maybe chroot to the chroot and because that uid? 21:44:09 try to run it 21:44:15 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 21:44:17 s/because/become/ 21:44:30 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:44:40 you can start a shell, run the chroot command as root and then use su to become the crawl uid 21:44:41 i ran it and it gave errors 21:45:08 so imma check the errors real quick 21:45:15 and then try that if it doesnt work 21:45:22 yeah, it might not have the right env running just as your dev account 21:45:45 if it has paths published by the dgl config running out of chroot likely just won't work 21:45:57 maybe if you're in the chroot dir that would be enough though 21:46:21 well the error states it cant find a setting in data despite it being there so imma check those perms first 21:47:23 -!- themonkeybob11 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:47:50 nevermind 21:48:00 the errors only occur because they are absolutes under the chroot 21:48:04 so its not a perm error 21:48:53 I don't understand what you mean by chroot to the chroot 21:48:55 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:50:46 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:51:26 -!- sorlin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:53:50 -!- Guest11386 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:54:01 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:55:47 gammafunk: the script runs is http://puu.sh/ohoJP/fd8ffebaaa.png, but I only have .rc files created in the appropriate directories, not any .macro files 21:55:57 also there are no morgue of ttyrec directories created 21:57:59 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:58:11 it probably fails because i dont have crawl-git.macro 21:58:23 rather I only have dgl-default.crawl-0.10.macro 21:58:59 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 22:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:22 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:03:13 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:59 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 22:07:39 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:14:40 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 22:15:11 does anyone know how crawl-git.macro is generated? 22:16:33 -!- fixit_friend is now known as friendfixit 22:27:20 -!- themonkeybob11 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:27:54 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 22:28:00 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:28:16 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 22:32:11 not even sure what it is 22:32:33 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:35:45 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 22:36:28 -!- sorlin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:36:52 its okay i got it 22:36:56 probly the default macros file 22:36:57 but i have 1 problem now 22:37:06 the init-webtiles.sh script 22:37:18 wont create the morgue and ttyrec directory for a new user 22:37:36 but if i make them myself using the crawl user it will not throw an inialization error 22:38:29 check the script is actually being run 22:38:41 perhaps add code to it to write something to /tmp/foo 22:39:05 welli did check it, and it creates the .rc files for the players properly 22:39:25 but I am not sure why it wouldnt create the directories 22:40:22 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:47:37 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 22:54:09 -!- Twinge has quit [] 22:57:36 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:05 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:00:15 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:00:38 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest50730 23:01:31 Zibudo: maybe it's failing because the parent directory doesn't exist, has wrong permissions 23:01:41 try redirecting the output of the mkdir to a lot file 23:01:48 eg mkdir dir 2>/tmp/foo 23:03:14 oh i see 23:03:23 i see the reason because of that thanks 23:05:13 -!- Guest50730 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:05:21 -!- sorlin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:29 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:12:50 -!- Twinge has quit [] 23:13:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:15:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:16:47 -!- Aurelian has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:18:29 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:20:58 -!- sorlin1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:23:36 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 23:24:07 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 23:26:22 hey the initialization is fixed 23:26:24 however 23:27:07 now I see http://puu.sh/ohtC6/1e1c0877c1.png and clicking on this quickly directs me a # and then redirects me back to #lobby 23:30:48 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:23 read the server log 23:35:30 webtiles server log, that is 23:36:19 i dunno if this was a good idea, but: 23:36:20 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/shrike.png 23:36:26 birrrrd 23:36:44 how can the toughest bird in the game not have muscle arms 23:37:02 !! 23:37:55 it's giving me another unknown encoding 23:37:55 LookupError: unknown encoding: ascii 23:42:33 -!- sorlin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:44:08 -!- alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:48:53 -!- punpun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:51:51 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:52:13 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 23:54:56 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55:20 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 23:56:01 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock]