00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:05 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:03:10 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest60380 00:04:52 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:04 -!- Guest60380 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:07:38 -!- Tickenest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:10:31 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1745-gffa9a88 (34) 00:12:30 hm 00:12:32 !seen wheals 00:12:32 I last saw wheals at Mon Apr 11 03:31:19 2016 UTC (41m 12s ago) quitting, saying 'Remote host closed the connection'. 00:12:35 feh!!! 00:12:41 |amethyst: do you know anything about shops 00:13:43 -!- ahriman has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:14:29 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 00:15:03 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:28 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 00:16:30 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:17:33 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:48 formicid wanderer. I super approve, fungus 00:22:04 good char 00:22:06 dumb death 00:22:09 so it goes 00:22:12 was playing carelessly 00:22:38 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:22:44 I had to take a break on my fewn; no lives left getting tired, likely to yasd in such a manner 00:23:35 a semi helpful guy on the s-z server was giving us crap for rolling wanderers 00:23:41 lol 00:23:51 semi-helpful sounds above average for cszo tileschat 00:23:56 I'm like dude, you can start with 9 spells. 9 spells! 00:24:11 and he's like when? they patched that out 00:24:37 i think probably 7 or 8 is your max 00:24:58 I had a 5-spell starter-class book 00:25:05 and 2 crappos 00:25:14 9 spells! 00:25:20 !!! 00:25:25 dang, double crappo 00:25:29 the legendary double crappo... 00:25:36 it was actually somewhat coherent 00:26:07 most of the spells were part cj or fire or poison or both 00:26:13 -!- punpun has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:26:20 bad starting spells: confusing touch for non-unarmed, I guess apportation lost much of its value when monsters stopped being able to pick up item, flame tongue, uh, 00:26:58 general apt conflicts, I guess? 00:27:26 flame tongue?? 00:27:27 Spell which throws a low-power puff of flame two to five spaces. Note that the max range is {spell power}-dependent - don't expect your fledgling DEFE to fry anything significantly beyond melee. 1d14 at max power. To-hit: 11+power/6. 00:27:34 ...not quite what I was going for 00:27:49 still, what's wrong with flame tongue? 00:28:25 perhaps the fact that it's not magic dart 00:29:10 nor freeze 00:35:14 how ridiculous would it be to make a background that starts with a random manual? but it's unid'd to somewhat reduce scumming, Dr style. maybe along with 2 unid'd trash books 00:35:46 -!- eb has quit [] 00:36:11 unid manual sounds like the worst thing ever 00:36:38 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:13 draconians sort of fill that niche anyway 00:37:16 yeeeeah probably :P 00:37:34 unid manual seems poorly thought-out, yeah. 00:37:54 <|amethyst> class that starts with a manual of evocations and no skills or equipment 00:37:59 <|amethyst> newnewAr 00:38:35 newmonks: start with a manual of invocations 00:38:54 like ok so it's "scholar" or something, ideally you would receive the book at level (foo), your university mails it to you or something. but backgrounds don't "do stuff" like that, only races do 00:39:05 unid manual seemed like the only workaround 00:40:40 so, draconian. 00:40:43 new background - grad student: start the game worshipping gozag, a shop with a single unid'd manual is spawned next to you 00:40:54 &dump PleasingFungus fown 00:40:58 unknown/PleasingFungus/PleasingFungus.txt 00:41:14 yeah, draconian :P 00:41:16 <|amethyst> CanOfWorms: unrealistic... grad students shouldn't worship a god that gives them more money than most characters 00:41:30 start the game in gozag penance 00:41:33 <|amethyst> CanOfWorms: start the game worshipping Zin, and with a shop with unided manual 00:41:42 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 00:41:43 <|amethyst> but it turns out it's a manual of necromancy 00:41:50 what is gozag wrath anyway 00:41:51 or tmut 00:41:58 enemies get perma potion effects 00:42:02 <|amethyst> randomly tmut or necro 00:42:05 <|amethyst> that's why it's unided 00:42:05 hm 00:42:13 I don't remember if things that get bought get converted to 1 piece of gold 00:42:48 <|amethyst> the midas thing was removed 00:42:56 should just be DEBT and gozag takes all your gold to pay it off 00:42:59 might also make potion quaffs fail 00:43:07 <|amethyst> yeah 00:43:24 think it delays your quaff by 1.0 turns, not fail 00:43:24 the wiki lists zin's tithing as an effect but I don't remember if that was removed 00:43:44 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:57 <|amethyst> yes, Zin tithing is still there 00:44:03 <|amethyst> as listed in the help 00:44:13 ??gozag 00:44:13 gozag[1/7]: The greedy god of gold. Turns corpses into gold, which gives a distraction status that may cause enemies to lose turns. Lets you use {potion petition}, lets you {call merchant}s, and lets you {bribe branch}es. Does not have a normal piety system. 00:44:40 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44:52 "blurry mouth" is the potion effect unofficial name 00:45:19 new enemy: blurry moth... 00:45:26 sounds like neo's mouth in the matrix 00:48:47 blurry moth, turns everything in los invisible? 00:49:59 regret-index: i made a "blind eye" enemy that casts invis other 00:50:02 at one point 00:50:20 mm 00:54:11 blurry moth just gives the player -scroll while it's visible 00:54:21 er, in LOS 00:56:18 god, a monster that shut down all consumable use would be scary 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:52 Lightli: do it 01:01:11 give in to your hatred 01:01:19 *player hatred 01:01:23 I would if I knew how to :v 01:01:59 -!- Dingbat_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:04:15 it can't beharder than suppression moths 01:04:20 be harder* 01:05:18 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:06:29 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1745-gffa9a88 (34) 01:09:35 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:13 -!- Shados has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11:01 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:12:10 gozag wrath is just haste/berserk now 01:12:39 ontoclasm: the problem with the gold-related things is that it would make abandoning gozag for eg the orb run a non-issue 01:13:04 or any sort of wrath that's avoidable, eg the old one of items you pick up turning into 1 gold 01:13:08 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:14:13 if wrath was represented as debt (based on time spent worshipping gozag) which was paid off by collecting gold *or* killing incited monsters... hmm 01:16:37 you could then do it both ways by having him periodically damage you by throwing giant bricks of gold at you 01:17:23 even gozag wrath gives you gold! 01:19:03 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1745-gffa9a88 (34) 01:20:12 well really, gozag hates anyone who isn't rich 01:20:22 so if you annoy him he fixes you by giving you cash 01:20:45 :) 01:22:39 shop code... hrm 01:24:34 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:25:28 trying to figure out how stash tracking for shop items works 01:26:06 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:26:37 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:26:38 The build passed. 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:26:03 -!- Ultraviolent4 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:31:36 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest75263 03:35:32 -!- Guest75263 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:55:06 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 03:55:07 The build passed. (defcount - f58be14 #5264 : Shmuale Mark): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/122147566 03:55:07 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02:12 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:02:13 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:05:00 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:15:42 !messages 04:15:42 TZer0: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 04:15:46 !messages 04:15:46 (1/1) |amethyst said (11h 19m 48s ago): any idea from webtiles IP logs who set up the hypersmh account on CUE? Apparently it was a griefer 04:16:01 |amethyst: I can try to check 04:16:10 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 04:16:46 # ./bin/dgl ls-users | grep hypersmh 04:16:48 hypersmh|lol1@lol2.lol3 04:16:50 this gives nothing 04:17:16 I've set the password. 04:17:40 going to check logs now 04:32:18 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:19 The build has errored. 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ZZZzzz…] 12:56:11 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:57:49 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:58:29 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:46 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:29 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:05:21 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:13:08 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1745-gffa9a88 (34) 13:13:35 <|amethyst> TZer0: thanks for the info, I can see the same users from the same IPs 13:13:53 <|amethyst> TZer0: I am blocking all those accounts on CSZO, and adding a firewall rule too 13:14:53 !tell dpeg What's up? 13:14:53 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:14:53 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 13:15:11 !tell johnstein next year in Jerusalem! 13:15:11 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 13:18:28 i'm curious about explore_wall_bias, specifically what a sensible range of values might be 13:18:51 any thoughts or suggestions? 13:19:34 !source explore_wall_bias 13:19:35 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/options.h#l351 13:19:52 v0v 13:21:46 <|amethyst> jefus: the range of possible values is 0 to 1000 13:22:00 ah ok, that's a start :) 13:23:41 <|amethyst> it makes squares count as (explore_wall_bias * (4 - #of orthogonally adjacent walls)) squares further away 13:24:40 fr: negative wall bias 13:24:44 <|amethyst> and also affects squares with items (for greedy travel) too for some reason, by making them count as having 1 adjacent wall 13:24:48 PleasingFungus: what was your question about shops 13:25:14 i was trying to look into 9318/10330 and was trying to figure out where items in shops got added to your stash tracker in the first place 13:25:18 <|amethyst> relevant code is in travel.cc 13:25:31 <|amethyst> (the 0 to 1000 range is in initfile.cc where it sets the option) 13:25:34 oh yeah THAT get_shop 13:25:35 closest i got was finding a place they weren't added to your stash tracker 13:25:52 PleasingFungus: was just curious where you are :) 13:25:52 get_shop() seems to add the existence of a shop to your tracker, but not the actual items? 13:25:58 dpeg_: california. 13:26:04 represent! 13:26:09 hmmmm 13:26:14 |amethyst, i did notice that re: greedy travel but i didn't look much past 13:26:17 initfile, thanks 13:26:46 -!- Xiberia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27:06 i guess honestly i don't need to know where they're added; assuming they're added to m_shops, the key thing would just be to remove them from that when gozag closes them down 13:27:17 and then figure out a way to reproduce the bug(s) to make sure they're fixed 13:27:34 StashTrack.get_shop(shop.pos) = ShopInfo(shop); 13:28:52 ahh 13:28:57 i must have read past that a few times 13:28:59 nice 13:29:58 it's not super clear that get_shop can be used as a setter 13:30:45 would be clearer if it used a pointer instead of a reference 13:31:31 unfortunately there's currently no way to tell if something is a gozag shop or not without an excursion 13:31:45 but the info could be added to ShopInfo (with some save trickery required) 13:31:57 <|amethyst> re the method, I would call it shop() instead of get_shop() 13:32:37 <|amethyst> I think returning a pointer would be misleading, since that implies it might return NULL 13:32:52 ah, right, since the shop 'closing' might happen as a dact for offlevel shops, but would still be in your tracker until then unless you accounted for that 13:32:55 |amethyst: yeah that's the problem 13:32:56 <|amethyst> unless it is changed to do that, in which case you'd need another method to add the shop... which wouldn't be terrible 13:35:24 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest56837 13:35:37 <|amethyst> I guess "shop_at" is probably a better name than simply "shop" 13:36:22 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:36:40 <|amethyst> perhaps ShopInfo *LevelStashes::get_shop(const coord_def &c) which returns NULL if it wasn't found 13:36:40 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:37:02 -!- Jessika has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:37:24 <|amethyst> and shop_at(c) { if (ShopInfo *shop = get_shop(c)) return *shop; else { code to insert and return m_shops.back(); } 13:37:24 id also like to point out that Le_Nerd has reported 4 gozag bugs without realizing it's not spelled "Gozaq" 13:37:25 Yara's will auto-target self if you're contaminated and allow you to cast it without a prompt, lol 13:37:48 I just blew myself up and gave myself frailty because I thought it would target an ensorcerly-hibernated orc 13:38:09 oh, it should definitely prompt 13:38:10 hm 13:38:24 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:38:36 i'm too asleep to fix it right this second but it's now the top of my TODO. 13:38:56 however, that's really funny 13:39:05 so there's ups and down 13:39:16 hilarious deaths are a hot commodity 13:39:18 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:39:24 !lg Piginabag 13:39:25 3813. Piginabag the Skirmisher (L3 FeWn), slain by a worm on D:2 on 2016-04-10 19:43:25, with 44 points after 1208 turns and 0:10:34. 13:39:28 :( 13:39:44 -!- Guest56837 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:40:16 wheals: also very good 13:41:33 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:42:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:43:06 -!- NotKat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:43:52 -!- Doesnt_ is now known as Doesnt 13:43:54 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:43:56 -!- Spellcaster is now known as NotKat 13:44:14 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:25 -!- lobf has left ##crawl-dev 13:45:58 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:47:56 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:54 I seem to remember there was a bug fix with Ru's Sacrifice Courage, but can't find it. Was there any? 13:49:03 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:49:17 yes 13:49:53 %git 425e25b4c59cb8757ab2a53869bde9bc1c360d44 13:49:53 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-1588-g425e25b: Make Horror apply a penalty to slaying instead of a bonus 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 1+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/425e25b4c59c 13:50:08 Thank you very much 13:50:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:50:24 np 13:51:06 Does this retrofix versions other than trunk? 13:51:24 i don't think it's been backported to 0.17, though i could be wrong. 13:51:46 update: it was not backported. 13:53:40 Thanks, gonna exploit it then (: 13:54:08 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 blocked the accounts and IP on CSZO and CAO and sent a message to the user on Tavern 13:54:08 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 13:54:20 lol 13:54:28 is this what I get for helping players out??? 13:55:00 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 (blocked accounts by changing the password, and IP with /sbin/iptables -I INPUT 4 -p tcp --src EVIL.IP.ADDR.HERE -j DROP ) 13:55:01 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 13:55:29 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 (err, you'd probably want '1' instead of '4' unless you already have several iptables rules) 13:55:30 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 13:55:37 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:56:12 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:08 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04:29 are.. you.. telling me that sac courage has been applying a slaying BONUS rather than penalty this entire time? 14:04:58 no. 14:05:00 it was a damage bonus 14:05:07 (: 14:05:36 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:08:17 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:14 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:25 -!- NotKat has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:11:37 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest31064 14:11:37 -!- zeeratt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:12:34 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:14:20 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: btw, is it intentional that wand of acid does the extra 4d5 damage to players, on top of what the zap structure says? 14:14:49 is this splash_with_acid or s/t? 14:14:53 <|amethyst> yeah 14:15:16 it wasn't something I was thinking about when i implemented the wand, but tbh I wasn't really thinking about enemy use at all 14:15:21 with iceblast/acid 14:15:29 Adder on D:1 without having visited D:2!!! 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10355 by RoGGa 14:16:12 -!- Guest31064 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:16:15 !!! 14:16:42 it came down the stairs, right? 14:17:23 !lg * recent d:1 killer=adder s=avg(turn) 14:17:24 ERROR: aggregate functions are not allowed in GROUP BY 14:17:28 oop 14:17:31 !lg * recent d:1 killer=adder x=avg(turn) 14:17:32 7379 games for * (recent d:1 killer=adder): avg(turn)=853.67 14:17:38 !lg * recent d:1 killer=adder x=min(turn) 14:17:39 7379 games for * (recent d:1 killer=adder): min(turn)=17 14:17:48 up, one hopes, but they will spawn if you've gained a couple xl 14:18:23 <|amethyst> well 14:18:38 <|amethyst> on D:1 it won't spawn a random OOD before turn 700 14:18:40 haha, and he belatedly posts the version number. helping! 14:26:43 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:43 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:09 <|amethyst> oh great 14:35:32 <|amethyst> so I informed a user of a ban (for streak-breaking) and I get the response "no problem ill be back" 14:36:05 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest76555 14:36:30 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:37:17 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:37:44 hahah 14:37:53 hey, no hard feelings, right? 14:38:12 <|amethyst> Reported 14:38:16 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:52 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:15 -!- Guest76555 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:40:43 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:44 <|amethyst> 2016-04-11 18:38:03,921 INFO: #31846 Socket opened from ip 171.25.193.77 (fd148, compression: on). 14:40:47 <|amethyst> 2016-04-11 18:39:30,887 INFO: #31846 Registered user BannedForever. 14:40:53 um 14:40:55 subtle 14:41:04 <|amethyst> (that's a tor exit node 14:41:04 <|amethyst> ) 14:41:07 hahahah 14:47:34 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:48:58 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 15:58:04 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:59:22 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:54 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09:16 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest45370 16:20:38 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:19 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:26:26 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:04 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:34 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:20 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 16:39:11 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:40:17 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:41:11 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:49:04 -!- diazepan has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:50:37 -!- jefus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:59 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:53:03 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:55:17 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 16:57:04 !lg * killer=prince_ribbit_the_blink_frog 16:57:05 4. oooop the Nimble (L6 FeTm of Dithmenos), slain by Prince Ribbit the blink frog on D:7 on 2015-03-06 19:23:03, with 464 points after 8927 turns and 0:13:06. 16:57:12 good polymorph 16:58:42 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:58:47 !lg * killer=sigmund_the_human 16:58:48 6. Unano the Skirmisher (L4 DrMo), blasted by Sigmund the human (puff of flame) on D:3 on 2013-04-22 06:37:21, with 194 points after 2565 turns and 0:17:16. 16:59:25 -!- Piginabag_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:02 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:04:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:04:59 -!- yesno has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 17:07:32 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:36 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:55 -!- Guest45370 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:56 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:23 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:14:14 You feel you are being watched by something. @player_only@. 17:14:17 Seems legit. 17:17:03 Lasty: that's been reported a number of times. you can be the hero who fixes it 17:22:13 amalloy: woo! 17:22:26 !learn add lasty_to_do[1 You feel you are being watched by something. @player_only@. 17:22:27 lasty to do[1/7]: You feel you are being watched by something. @player_only@. 17:22:32 I just assumed it was new 17:22:37 and thus something recently caused 17:24:14 sadly, the player is nothing new... 17:24:26 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest74106 17:25:58 ?/@player_only@ 17:25:59 Matching entries (1): lasty_to_do[1]: You feel you are being watched by something. @player_only@. 17:31:46 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:28 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:39:47 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:40:15 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:40:36 <|amethyst> Oh wow 17:40:47 <|amethyst> so that player whom was banned 17:41:06 <|amethyst> just went and created a bunch more streak-breaking accounts 17:41:17 <|amethyst> "none of these would have happened if we'd just not gone overboard and banned someone over a trivial prank. use it as motivation to stop making a big deal over something so small, or improve the database (i cant believe this couldn't be reversed? get on fixing it!)." 17:41:45 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:42:06 <|amethyst> the streaks broken are mondargo, glaas, gurmil, elmdor 17:42:20 <|amethyst> and the first one that started this mess is hypersmh 17:42:45 it's your fault I'm smashing this window with a hammer, these windows should be more solid 17:43:09 Webtiles server stopped. 17:43:10 Slobodan (L12 HaHu) (D:11) 17:43:10 halcyon (L5 DsIE) (D:4) 17:43:11 neongrey (L18 GrFi) (Snake:1) 17:43:11 Prakerore (L10 HOFi) (D:8) 17:43:13 chukamok (L14 MuWz) (Lair:8) 17:43:16 espais (L5 SpEn) (D:3) 17:43:18 Thalamas (L27 MiFi) (Dis:2) 17:43:20 Disposable (L11 TrMo) (Lair:6) 17:43:23 Matticus (L14 HOFi) (Lair:8) 17:43:25 chokobitch (L15 MiGl) (Orc:2) 17:43:27 Raderak (L3 DsGl) (D:2) 17:43:30 exaltech (L6 GrFi) (D:4) 17:43:32 Pinechild (L11 DsGl) (D:11) 17:43:34 Zalbag (L11 MfVM) (D:10) 17:43:37 Shard1697 (L1 HuBe) (D:1) 17:43:40 Phaedo (L13 MfIE) (Lair:4) 17:43:42 tbh1313 (L18 MiBe) (WizLab) 17:43:44 findtopher (L5 MiFi) (D:3) 17:43:46 Datul (L14 TeSu) (Lair:8) 17:43:49 Rembrandt (L6 DsFi) (D:3) 17:43:52 Sharkman1231 (L17 HuAK) (Spider:1) 17:43:54 HowlingFantods (L5 HEAK) (D:3) 17:43:57 TheProfessor (L16 GrFE) (Elf:1) 17:43:59 Grantopolo (L6 HEAE) (D:4) 17:44:02 2ustice (L8 HuFi) (D:6) 17:44:04 Kaishin (L13 OpTm) (Orc:2) 17:44:06 doctordoom (L10 MuMo) (D:10) 17:44:09 shinino (L10 GrFi) (D:9) 17:44:09 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 17:44:11 Cheibrodos (L27 KoTm) (Slime:3) 17:44:14 kamikashin (L5 FoFi) (D:4) 17:44:15 Charmandara (L17 DrFE) (Swamp:4) 17:44:34 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:44:48 -!- Guest74106 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:06 Hrm, I wonder what kind of irc flood avoidance sizzell and sequell have 17:45:22 seems to be rate limiting its messages 17:45:55 I should look at freenode's policies about that as well 17:48:27 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:53:43 <|amethyst> !lg mondargo s=src 17:53:44 No games for mondargo. 17:53:49 <|amethyst> !lg modargo s=src 17:53:50 377 games for modargo: 375x cao, cue, lld 17:54:01 <|amethyst> !lg glaas s=src 17:54:01 31 games for glaas: 16x cszo, 13x cbro, cue, lld 17:54:04 <|amethyst> !lg gurmil s=src 17:54:05 103 games for gurmil: 82x cao, 19x cszo, cue, lld 17:54:06 elmdor will be sad to hear about his streak 17:54:08 <|amethyst> !lg elmdor s=src 17:54:09 1364 games for elmdor: 1361x cszo, cue, lld, cbro 17:55:54 oh wow, that was Dreemurr? 17:55:54 <|amethyst> FR: we stop accepting new account requests until we have single sign-on 17:56:01 <|amethyst> As Dreamurr says: 17:56:05 <|amethyst> It's also easily avoidable by making accounts linked server wide, or by said players registering on all the servers like zzxc and i have. Food for thought. 17:56:07 that's unfortunate 17:56:22 <|amethyst> s/Dreamurr/Dreemurr/ 17:56:51 <|amethyst> Also, I have no intentions of doing anything else with scoring 17:57:09 <|amethyst> if it goes down or drops games again, someone else with an account on CAO will need to fix it 17:57:21 <|amethyst> I am tired of dealing with this shit 17:57:58 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:58:51 :( 17:58:52 yeah, I don't blame you, and thanks for everything you've done 17:58:56 do not burn yourself out on crawl, yeah 17:58:59 it's not worth it 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:12 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:00:29 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:03 -!- chukamok has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 18:02:32 -!- Lasty has left ##crawl-dev 18:04:38 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:40 !tell |amethyst Sorry about the scoring mess, I'll take a look one of these weekends, but realistically it's going to take a while :( 18:05:41 greensnark: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 18:05:41 greensnark: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 18:06:26 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1745-gffa9a88 (34) 18:06:55 <|amethyst> greensnark: I got the immediate problem fixed 18:07:12 For the logfiles without versions, I think some logfiles had mangled lines like that 18:07:15 !lg * v= 18:07:16 No games for * (v=). 18:07:19 !lm * v= 18:07:23 <|amethyst> greensnark: I had it drop lines without a v= 18:07:25 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 18:07:26 Ah 18:07:32 Cool, thanks :) 18:07:33 <|amethyst> greensnark: since there was already code to drop lines with a too-old v= 18:07:46 <|amethyst> greensnark: and that code was what caused the most recent failure 18:08:28 It's a wonder it worked this long :D 18:08:34 <|amethyst> greensnark: there is still the underlying problem that we commit the logfile offsets before we have actually committed the logfile lines to the db 18:08:49 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm * v= 18:09:22 <|amethyst> greensnark: which is what causes games to go missing in the first place (if scoring.py dies in between the commits) 18:09:22 Yeah, should just be a matter of updating the logfile offset in the same transaction, but I have to refamiliarize myself with the code 18:09:28 And maybe write a few tests this time around :P 18:09:43 Since I was very naughty when hacking up the original :P 18:12:34 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 same person did the same thing to modargo, glaas, gurmil, and elmdor 18:12:35 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 18:13:26 I guess Sequell needs a blacklist of games too then 18:13:35 Oh well, one of these decades 18:14:22 -!- vkvd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:15:51 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:16:23 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:24 -!- Alatreon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:18:14 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:20 oh, dear 18:18:22 hm 18:18:25 just saw cszo... 18:18:27 :( 18:18:48 well there's cao, cbro 18:19:07 and there have been offers to start new servers in the past, should we get low on US availability 18:19:07 they're both pretty laggy 18:19:17 are they? I've played on cbro with no problems 18:19:19 not so much cao 18:19:23 cbro gets laggy if any number of players join it 18:19:36 CAO webtiles is laggy, CAO console is fine 18:19:37 during tournaments or if e.g. cszo players move over 18:19:49 it can't really handle a significant load. which is fine normally! 18:19:52 heh, at this point I don't think we'll have a tourney for the next release 18:19:56 wow 18:20:15 maybe someone will step up to run it 18:20:28 but yeah you make a good point, not sure how our servers will fare 18:20:33 even if we did 18:20:58 i've had some lag on cao console, but usually it's fine 18:21:01 Man, you've been really negative lately. 18:21:18 honestly it could be my own local network issues 18:22:27 yeah I've not had any issues with my games on cbro, but I think I've only won...two? 18:22:30 !lg . cbro won 18:22:31 2. gammafunk the Pioneer (L27 HaAr of Pakellas), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2015-11-29 06:22:12, with 2038005 points after 85465 turns and 8:36:41. 18:22:33 yes 18:23:02 -!- vkvd_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:23:09 I'm not being "really negative", simply realistic, it takes effort to run these things, and someone has to step up to do it 18:23:31 Absolutely if someone wants to put effort/energy into running a new server and/or the tourney, it can happen 18:23:34 Hasn't that historically been elliptic? 18:23:41 he's really busy these days 18:24:57 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:40 Hrm. 18:26:03 It might be reasonable to try to solicit help from the community. 18:26:19 Put out a post on the blog, forums, whatever. 18:26:40 It might, although it entails working with someone who has trust, and the tourney has been run from cszo, so not sure how |amethyst feels about that 18:27:15 <|amethyst> tournament scripts can still run on cszo 18:27:34 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:27:36 <|amethyst> I'm keeping the server around for the forseeable future for milestones, logfiles, etc 18:27:44 <|amethyst> and elliptic and other still have accounts 18:27:50 -!- nmz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:28:04 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:28:26 <|amethyst> I do think adding a new server will only make the problem worse 18:28:56 <|amethyst> since there's one more server that everyone has to register an account on, lest the Dreemurrs of the world decide to fuck up their records 18:29:07 I see what you mean, but there's a question of whether scoring is more important than people just being able to play 18:29:20 Scoring certainly is a significant part of online play though 18:29:23 I would say it's emphatically not. 18:29:38 Right, most people don't pay too much attention to it 18:29:42 -!- Alatreon_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:29:54 <|amethyst> how would the tournament work then? 18:29:55 PF: You think scoring is not an important part of online play? 18:30:03 oh yeah, tournament wouldn't work 18:30:04 I would say it is dramatically less important than play. 18:30:05 <|amethyst> if you don't do scoring etc for tournaments 18:30:19 I mean, our last big scoring crisis was before a tournament. And then the tournament happened, and it was fine. 18:30:54 Not saying that's guaranteed every time 18:31:19 but I mean - the idea with tournaments is basically having a bunch of people trying to get together and play at the same time and have fun 18:31:36 the final scoring does not really matter very much, except maybe for like... the ~20 people in the top three teams 18:31:42 -!- genericpseudonym has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:31:48 There are only a few reasons to play online as I see it: 1) record-keeping and stats, 2) get help while playing from other players, 3) join in a community event like a tourney, 4) bragging about your scores and streaks 18:32:02 <|amethyst> and there are people out there who want to do "trivial pranks" when they think other people are having too much fun 18:32:08 Sure. 18:32:09 <|amethyst> it's not just the scoring griefers 18:32:25 nikheizen: IMO, griefers don't meaningfully mess with any of those 18:32:27 <|amethyst> also the people who join webtiles chat and spam or say outrageously offensive things 18:32:27 i think a lot of people are in for 4) and this stunt messes with all except 2 18:32:28 easy to filter them out 18:32:37 well, except 3, maybe 18:32:54 |amethyst: yes. people are mostly good, but there is always the awful minority. 18:33:04 yeah but you say scoring is not important to online play. It absolutely is. 18:33:12 That is not what I said. 18:33:18 <|amethyst> I certainly got a lot of complaints when scoring wasn't updating 18:33:36 <|amethyst> Dreemurr wrote: 18:33:37 <|amethyst> if this is really coming together finally im impressed, i thought for sure we'd hit the full month milestone because (it seemed) noone gave a shit to fix it. 18:33:47 can you stop quoting the idiot? 18:33:54 I would say it is dramatically less important than play. 18:33:56 he's an idiot. we know that. please stop placing any weight on his opinions. 18:34:25 i don't go around quoting 4chan at you! 18:34:37 <|amethyst> how about WalkerBoh: He's actually lying, he's just going to keep making a new excuse every few days to keep stringing you along. It's a social experiment on gullibility. 18:34:48 That's a joke. 18:34:55 <|amethyst> well, it sure was fucking funny 18:34:56 -!- |amethyst has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:34:59 Man. 18:35:11 I don't get why you think raging against the machine is helpful, PleasingFungus 18:35:15 ? 18:36:36 I feel like |amethyst is upset about something. 18:36:37 the machine being "most of the dedicated crawl communities are irrepairably toxic" 18:36:55 regret-index: your attitude, likewise :P 18:37:09 I have been poisoned for a long time now. 18:37:17 yes, you old world-weary soul, you! 18:37:39 -!- regret-index has left ##crawl-dev 18:38:17 Wow, I'm driving everyone away. Is it the smell? 18:38:42 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:39:06 Well I think we've gotten into an "argument state" and it's not helping 18:39:24 But wrt crawl's infrastructure, it has a bunch of problems and without neil it's going to have more 18:39:29 Yeah. 18:39:48 I don't think we need to count neil out necessarily. He's gotten in bad moods before, since he is, fundamentally, a human being. 18:40:11 But agreed that losing him would be quite bad. 18:40:27 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:40:34 It seems like a game that is as popular as crawl shouldn't wither away and die for reasons as silly as this. 18:41:01 Now you are the one who is being overdramatic. 18:41:22 Hm. I don't mean to come off that way. 18:41:26 Well it's not, and I think it might be more practical to talk in terms of what we can actually maintain and what we can't 18:41:29 "wither away and die" whew 18:41:40 But gammafunk was just talking about the end of the tournaments that have been going on for the last, what, five years? six, seven? 18:41:46 That would be a huge blow to the community, I think. 18:42:04 Well missing one tourney would not be the end of the world 18:42:06 I think he just said "no tournament for the next release". 18:42:13 Well, when would we have a tournament again? 18:42:17 There's no path toward it. 18:42:50 Is there a planned date for the 0.18 release, I figured it was going to be "soon." 18:42:52 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:52 PF I think you're more trying to start arguments here than solve problems. Seriously I think we need to figure out what we can do for this release and what we can't 18:43:00 My feeling is that we need to look for fresh blood. 18:43:05 Like I said a moment ago. 18:43:18 Post on the forums, on the blog, reddit, wherever. 18:43:43 'Looking for people who are interested in helping and shaping a large, active community' 18:43:46 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:58 Building infrastructure etc 18:44:01 Sounds like something that will come to fruition after the next release (if we want to maintain that date) 18:44:15 Oh, SSO certainly isn't happening by the release. 18:44:31 nikheizen: Code freeze is in a week, release probably about two weeks after. No exact date. 18:45:06 gammafunk: But something like running the tournament is something that I think we could plausibly recruit for. 18:45:14 I don't think it's any more problematic than the last few tournaments have been. 18:46:19 That's not a lot of time to scramble some infrastructure together, but if you do that, I hope it works out. 18:47:13 I mean, the tournament wouldn't take too much. That's roughly the timeframe that we usually take to set up a tournament, afaik. I don't think there's anything special about this one in terms of infrastructure, just potentially in terms of devs. 18:47:42 I think I can commit to making win package/deb packages but running the tourney I can't do this time 18:47:56 You might want to ping elliptic to see what his actual situation is 18:48:41 and win/deb packages can be done by anyone, certainly, but if someone wants to take over that, they need access to cdo and to know how to update it 18:48:57